 Hello everybody. If it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another very early afternoon edition of Warhammer weekly at least for me I don't know where what time it is where you are in the world, but hey joining me as always is my co-host Tom What's up brother? Hello friends This is an exciting day Tom Yeah, sorry you're okay. I assume you have you had the show on so I just took a second there It's all good. This is an exciting day It's been a journey this week Tom. It's been a journey It has for me particularly sure um I Like being right sure Why not? We are gonna talk about obviously the main topic today is gonna be about The upcoming preview what we've already seen what we think is coming I mean, there's just nothing else to talk about like also the show will be slightly shorter today I want to warn you right up front. We're doing this early show because I'm about to leave So I'm picking up and leaving with my wife Right after this so Tom is being very nice and doing an early show So thank you to Tom and Tom's wife for being Accepting of this different schedule I'm I'm skipping a Parent-teacher meeting for my daughter right now So my wife is is shouldering that in order for me to be here. I appreciate tell her I appreciate that very much I definitely will besides you got good kids. I'm sure they're just like yeah, everything's fine So I mean yet the one thing I'll say for you done a good job with your kids So, you know, I appreciate yeah, that's just that's just there's a moment of true authenticity for you there I really do think Tom's a good dad Bad warrant player, but a good dad. Anyways, so All right, let's so obviously let's go through the journey of this week Let's just start with something simple. Let's start with the room range and shall we like where let's do the news We're gonna still do the normal segments So you want to start with a rumor engine? It's death. It's more death. Yeah, I Agree I mean maybe so here's the thing that actually intrigues me the most okay, right? Okay, our rumor engine is the stuff hanging down from the terrain piece Which looks like goopy goop. Yes, or icicles I guess maybe that's icicles It's got a lot of like dark color in it what I mean by that is like this is a painted model, right? So we can I can't see color because it's in black and white cuz ha ha ha But I can see value right and this stone is clearly very light You can see the white highlights of reflections here on the nails. This is darker than this Right, and if it was ice, they'd paint it very white or light blue something that in the value scale would look very You know very white gray. Yeah, right So I Think it's goop or blood Okay That's my I don't know. I mean like my best guess is it's blood All right But I just don't know like that's what struck me about that's more than anything else is whatever that's supposed to be Seaweed yeah, there you go. Sure. It does kind of have that bit of that look, but it's it's It could be but ultimately let me let me let me argue this. I still think I think this is new death Yep, we've said, you know all the death we've seen so far looks very like um, oh I don't know Not the core classic or yeah gothic fantasy Yes, there you go, right and I've said for weeks now that I think we're gonna get some kind of other thing going on there Yes, werewolves flesh golems. I don't know, you know mummies, whatever, you know something weird They're gonna left turn us somewhere. This is where wolf ish Could be it's a little smooth, but he could have fur up above this They like doing that right where like think of like the the vermin lords which are theoretically big rats They're not completely fur covered. They just have fur in places and then smooth skin So So it could be uh, but i'm saying it's some kind of death monster Maybe a werewolf type thing. Maybe something else completely You know, it made me legitimately hopeful that look, I know that this we know now There's a vampire release which we're gonna talk about in a minute. Yep So we were we were we were right there that is a vampire focused release which is great. Yep Still don't know the whole scope of it. Obviously. So so blight Grave lords, which you know what tells that tells me It's vampire focused Because it's so blight because it's so blight but then they threw in that grave lords and if you've got if you're a grave lord You're the lord of other things. So how deep into the line do they go? What other refreshed kits do we get? What new stuff? Who knows? So Yep Ben says werewolves aren't death or undead. Why are we associating them to death? Because they are part of the gothic horror that has traditionally been kind of within the terms of GW's world Felt like it belongs in that milieu Right if we if this was like d&d. No, it's completely different. Right. There's nothing to do with each other but within the the broader warhammer world they They and the way they tend to view their aesthetics. It feels like they're connected Anyways, like for example, if you look at the death uh blood bull team that has a werewolf on it and a mummy and a Uh a frankenstein type monster on it, right? So like they clearly make these associations in warhammer world Yep Uh, I don't mean the building. I mean in warhammer the world of there you go anyways Warhammer worlds I by the way, martin just summed it up perfectly werewolves are available in the halloween superstore Therefore it's death I mean that's uh, that's a good uh, that's a good evaluation That is a hundred percent spot on that's how this stuff gets evaluated for them, right? Like it's not gargoyles It's like when you look at how many Decorations like gargoyles sitting on top of skulls. Yeah better handle holders like yeah All that stuff if there were like if this release came out and they had a whole gargoyle Group like if there was a gargoyles and a gargoyle leader, I'd be like yep Totally not surprising to me. I'll buy that You know, this should be like, uh Like the like grand alliance halloween Right like if it if it reports to jack skellington or whatever like it lives in halloween town Then it's part of the death grand alliance, right? Yeah Yeah, there you go But this all made me excited that like oh could we get a new vargulf? I know that sounds so stupid because that's technically part of fec But it is a vampire at the same time and like oh gosh I would love so much to get a new version of that sculpt the only reason I haven't I understand But I want to be hopeful tom let me at least write this hope for a minute The only reason I haven't done that fec do a new army in 24 hours Is because I I legitimately can't find anything that I'm really happy with as the vargulf I went through just so many different options None of them fit with my vision or what I wanted I because I just want a really cool version of the vargulf model that's out right now Yep, and all the 3d prints and everything like that just none of them fit So there's a box that I liked Uh from Uh immortal realms maybe I looked at that one. I thought it was okay, but at any rate not neither here nor there um The point is is that I Uh I think we're gonna get a bunch more stuff than we've seen and as proof of that by the way Which we'll get to let's keep going in the news tom Shall we just get to the exciting stuff enough of this rumor engine stuff? Let's get to what has been leaked this week, which eventually became a full on Early reveal Sure, we're gonna start. Oops. I went too far. We're gonna start here. We're gonna start with vampire lady tom Okay Uh, I don't think people are gonna like my takes this week. That's tom's hot. He's he's hot under the collar this week warning Warning, uh granaldi is the current vargulf model not cool conceptually. It's cool actual model is very bad It's an old fine cast model and it just it has a lot of problems It's a very weak least sculpted model re-sculpt that in plastic in a new style and it would be amazing That's the problem with the vargulf. Okay now Here we go vampire lady with the bat's inner hair Uh There's so many jokes so many easy jokes It doesn't do it for me. Sure Okay, i'm gonna open with that I like vampires Yeah, they do Um, but the hair Just kills it for me. I understand. Um, if you know and you guys you guys have heard me ranting the last day or so about this Sure. Um, I mean what i'll say is this if it's if they're going for for um like Trans or if they're going for like wanting to show bats in the area. That's fine Um, but they've done it better with other models where they show this like slightly connectedness. I think about like the doves on Um, st. Celestine free and celestine, right? Um, that just look beautiful Or if they're going for a transformation, which i've heard somebody you'll say They've done that remarkably in the inari model Sure, this is neither of those things I completely agree with the bats. I actually really like this girl's face So this is where we got our initial leak. This came out on like monday or something, right? Uh of the this is where we got the name because she we saw the clam packed elite And so it was soul blight grave lords as we've mentioned Uh, let's just get this out of the way. Is this a new battle tome? Yes Yes, this is a new battle tome because it says soul blight grave lords on the front of her thing Not legions of negash. So right. Yes, it's a new battle tome Does this mean a battle tome is on the way? Yes Yeah, and she's a vampire lord And she's like so this is the replacement of the vampire lord model. Good. Like the the batwing Yeah, terrible model terrible model Which is exciting Uh, I completely agree. So things about this model Love the mace her sauron mace is awesome. Yep. Love the shield. Love the armor Yep Uh The bats are silly in fact the bats the only thing I don't like I'll be a hundred percent honest, okay But tom I'm I'm gonna magically fix this model for you right before your eyes. No, you're ready. Here we go everybody Go ahead. Ta-da Look at how much better this model looks like this Like this is the smallest change And suddenly your hair just looks like it's sort of whipping in the wind which is fine like that's cool and I'm good with it. Like all of a sudden done and and by the way, I just cut this With you know, like paint in the same way that I would cut the actual model And just like that. She's awesome I think this paint job lets it down. This feels like we didn't get enough attention on her that we should have Yeah So maybe she had to be painted quickly or something. I don't know Yeah, skintone's washed out and the detailing on the hair is you know, like as I said, it just feels like her hair is dirty Yeah, well, honestly, it feels way too pastel to me. It's like single color Everything about this model is kind of boring in the way it's painted. Everything's very flat And I just like I said, I get the feeling that somebody probably didn't have enough time to paint this, right? Like they said, okay, we got to get this painted Fast blah blah blah, you know, they did a good job like the edges are nice and smooth and clean But it just obviously this paint job is not living up to what this model is capable of And you know, I well, I don't mind the shield and the armor and everything I think that all that the line work and all that looks great It's truly just the hair in the and the face face is too white hair is too red Yep. Yep. Yep. If if they had changed that aesthetic a little bit It would like I think it would be fine Yeah, but She's great. Uh I did her. Uh till the swanson like till swinton. Yeah. Yeah, but it's nice to have her a model of her now Uh Nicholas said remind me not to show Vince any of my painted models. Hey Your models I'm not going to hold to the same standard. You're not a multibillion dollar company Who pays a team of highly paid highly professional incredible artists to paint your models So that would be the difference there. I do hold them to a high standard But I'm also forgiving because the reality is You know Not everybody gets to make that choice It's not like they get to sit down and decide how much time they want to spend on a model They have managers and bosses who probably sometimes give them deadlines that aren't fair. So such as And that's okay. It's all right because, um We got to see something a little more exciting today, but We're gonna get that we're gonna get there, but we're not there yet So this is our thing. So sole blight grave lords. We're gonna predict a whole bunch of what we think these sole blight grave lords are going to be um Are going to be like when we get out of the news. So this was our reveal Uh, this leaked by via potato cam Early in the week and then yesterday we got the full article showing her In more clear crispness Any other thoughts on this girl tom? Uh, she's fine. Uh, I think that we're gonna get something blood dragon related Yeah, because it's a blood dragon icon Yeah, yep That tells me we're still keeping the bloodline concept in the right. I agree. I agree and in fact like so we had um It suggests to me that like if I had suggested that the mortar could be Um The mortar are the abyss. Yeah, sure And we we may go the other direction. Yeah, and it could be a mortar related to the blood dragons Well, that'd be that'd be cool. I mean, you know, I think there's plenty of people who would welcome back abarash Let me just say that. Um, yeah I mean something related to that last time we saw him. He died next to Bretonians He and them gave you know died together Uh, all right, so we had this released And my personal hope by the by just give a little spoiler for my future predictions My personal hope is that we keep the bloodlines But they become broader sub factions with more full rules that also affect their minions, right? This is what I pitched back on the death show A month ago or whatever, right That it's not just like so blood dragons. Yes, it does this and this to your vampires But also it does this and this to minions, right? You get a command ability that when used on these types of minions that make sense Boom Yeah Yeah, that would be the cool way to go All right, let's uh, let's get these boys up. Oh, yeah, that's right It's time. The other big leak we had on monday was our antelope ryu writers the little dinosaur writers Uh, we have the side on image of the mutant Antelope kangaroos Sure, they actually obviously are kind of influenced by Little kangaroo little antelope obviously the dinosaur the The da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-pata-da-da-da-da-da-da or something I don't I don't know dinosaur names Sure. It's the manamana do do do do do adon Uh But these guys, uh, the side on shot that we initially got out of potato cam really didn't do them Uh justice And I think that's partially because You don't get to see like they're lean like kangaroos don't really like go sideways right. Right. They are in motion. Yeah, they're very kangaroos like when they move, they move very vertically because they have all this like power pushing them up in this very vertical hop, whereas like. Your legs have to move together. Right. These models very clearly have legs not moving together. They're running. They're not hopping. It reminds me of the scene in Jurassic Park and I've seen people meme this, right? Of those, the little dinosaurs that I think these are somewhat kind of calling to, right? Where they're running in a little flock and he stands up and he's like, you know, they do run in a pack or, you know, whatever. It's that, it's that scene. Yeah. And then they're flocking this way. Yeah. Yes. So I think these guys look really cool. I saw these and my honest answer was I hate the elves on top because I don't like elves. The monster, the creature, whatever the mount, I don't know whatever you want to call it is fantastic. I'm all about this thing. I want this instead of like as some units of my new seekers. Okay. So like, I really want to get a box of these and use the little antelope kangaroos and then put my, my like, you know, bliss barb seekers on top of it or the or the slick blade seekers for the. I mean, they do look like like non corrupted seeker. Yeah. Creatures. Yeah, they look like sort of that creature before it submitted to chaos. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I could, I could go on a pretty scaling rant, but I'm not. They don't hit you. They don't fit for you. That's what I'm hearing here. Right. Like at the end of the day, this is what my take is going to be. Sure. They're just not like this is not what I'm interested in. Okay. They they're fine as a as a unit. I have concerns because you know, I was talking with Martin Orlando about this and like what what they what. Um, Luminath need needs is not a skirmishy is not a skirmishy fast cap, which it seems like that's what these are. They need a mobile hammer. And that's something that they don't have, like at all. Sure. I mean, these these will help fill the whole better, I think, than the riders, the dawn riders. Yeah, I hope they don't get a mobile hammer in LRL. And maybe they won't, but that's what I'm saying. Like that's the real hole in the line is a mobile hammer. Um, so I so from a mechanic standpoint, I have concerns. The elves, clearly they're still all from Whoville. The hats. Them hats. And it's the creatures updated now they have little antelopes on the top instead of yaks. Clearly where we're going. Um, which is fine. Like, I know some people are going to love this. You know, I did like an impromptu poll on my Facebook page or on my Twitter. Just asking in about two thirds of people said that they love the release. Yeah. They really love the models that drop this week. The results were very positive. Yeah. Yeah. Most people love kangaroo-ish calf, which, you know what? Awesome. Like, I like, I'll say this. I like these aesthetics better than the bowls. Okay. So, uh, yeah, that's what I'll say. Yeah, you, you fit in the 9%, but that's that's a sizable percentage because you're a nope, nope, nope on your own poll, but that's okay. You know, but I was happy to see it worked for so many people. Uh, I mean, to me, like I said, I loved these mounts as soon as I saw them. And, you know, somebody asked me a question in a previous show of like, well, what if somebody did? What if these kinds of weird mounts came out for an army you love? I wish. Why don't they? Why does this keep happening? Why do the stupid elves keep getting the cool mounts? I want these mounts. Vince is going to convert using these for other armies. Yes. Like, I was like, maybe I could put orcs on top. I don't know. I'll see how big they are because this would be an awesome thing. I'd love to put three orcs on top and make a new pig unit out of these, but I don't think they're big enough. I think they're kind of, they're kind of pretty. Yeah. So, um, yeah, like I, please start getting weird with my armies. Thank you. Uh, that's what I'm asking for. Um, yeah. So, I mean, the Roo writers were, were cool. Um, Can I, writers? Yeah. I'm going to jump in. Somebody had made a comment that they expected me to be hopping mad about these models. The puns. They're endless. Um, and a lot of folks are probably tuning in waiting for me to just be scathing. Um, and I think for me at this point, I'm just not interested. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I get you. Like you've, you've, you've officially checked out of LRL. Like you've seen where the ship is sailing and you're like, not, or the train, better, better analogy. You've seen where the train is going and you're like, I'm getting off. Like you just, at the next station, you got off the train. Whatever happens to that train from this point, it doesn't matter. You're not on it. Right. Right. Right. Like I'm just like, you know what? Sure. Like I just, like it's just apathy at this point where like, of course this is all, this is literally, yes, this is the, this is the trajectory the train's going on. And it's just going to go there and that's fine. Um, I will say this kudos to GW for sticking to the R types. Um, because if I ever did want to do this army, I have like 20 Illyrian Reversion of box back there. Sure. And, uh, there are pretty much one to one conversions. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is what I said to you. Like if you like the army, just pick a mount of all of the different mounts that they have horses and these things and whatever else we're going to get and just put everything on that mount, right? Just make the version of the thing. Cause it's, we had talked about that before how in, in old Dark Elf, your old Dark Elf army, you would put everything on cold ones cause you, you have this weird rule that armies aren't allowed mixed mounts. This is like, this is a your rule. Yeah. This is a me thing. Like, so for example, like there are some exceptions, like in my storm cast, like if I'm going to run dragons, I want to have Drake on. They'll have to be thematically. Yeah, I get it. They'll have to be thematically the same. I understand. But if they're not, like it's just weird to me. Like I understand that you can have different. That like, both armies historical and modern have used different types of animals within their military forces for various. Camels or elephants. Sure. Yeah. For me, yeah, but for me at the end of the day, like it's about aesthetics and what I like and what I like to see on my, on my side. And that's perfectly fine. Junius had asked, do you think it's a problem them only having one leg connected to the base? No. No, these guys will be pretty lightweight. I mean, new plastic models and that it's not just one leg. It's a leg going down into a rock. If you look at it or like there's extra stuff there. I've never had it. I have lots and lots of mounts where they have one leg connected and it's fine. They're not canary. Sure. Sure. Yeah. I mean, these guys will be more than fine. That's a pretty, like that actual base when it comes down, that leg is actually thick enough. When it comes down to the large rock, your connection point will be quite significant. So there you go. Okay. Cool beans. I love the Rue writers. I'm in for these guys. This is like my, one of my favorite units I had seen thus far. As soon as I saw these guys, I was like, oh my God, this is amazing. I will find a way to integrate the Rues into slanesh. I might love these Rues more than the new seekers. And I really like the new seekers, but I really, really like these Rues. And then, then they went ahead and just redeemed themselves all day long. Then they revealed the Lord Regent. And my first response, like I was sitting there with, I think I was having lunch at the moment. Yeah, I was having lunch when this reveal popped up. And I looked at it and I was sitting there next to my wife and I was like, holy crap, that is a beautiful model. Like this thing blew me away. This guy is incredible. I love everything about him. And you know, I threw this dude up on Twitter and said, you know, this is the best model they've released in the range. It's absolutely stunningly gorgeous. Whoever sculpted this, you should have gotten a five on your review solely based on this alone. You could have been absent the rest of the year and you should be absolutely getting the best review. Like this is a killer model, killer. I love everything about it. I think even you, Tom, are like neutral on this one. Yeah, like what I'll say is this, this is the, this is my favorite model of the range, I think so far. And I love the elf. I even love the like animal aesthetics that they went with on the helm. Like the bird feather, you know, like it's the first of the animal ones that I looked at and went, I don't hate that. I actually kind of like that. You know, for me, like the, the, the catalog, like the antelope cat. Yeah, yeah, I got it. The catalog is just something that like, it just doesn't do it for me. I'm neutral on that, but the posturing, the model, the elf, all that's just stunning. There's the way his cloak is. Yeah, I agree on the headdress. Some people have talked about switching the sword for a spear. I'm sure you could do that in a heartbeat, easy, like that. And it may come with that. Yeah, exactly. There's could be, there could be multiple, multiple options in the kit, right? Yeah. Right. They love giving heroes like this different weapon options. Right. I mean, this guy is bonkers. It probably looked good with her clearing's head. Too big. The spear anks has got a really big head. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it might fit. I don't know. I don't have this in front of me, but I'm guessing that's a 75 mil base. And like the spear anks is on a 92 mil. He takes up that space pretty aggressively. Oh, okay. Like his head is sizable. Bigger than you think it is. He's got a big old noggin head move at any rate. Yeah, this guy's an A plus. Cracked it out of the park home run. It's somewhere this, this is in somebody's windshield in the parking lot. This is, this is absolutely the best they've done. And this raises the questions of exactly how much more of this is coming. Right. Because we still think we're getting the sword masters. I still believe we're getting sword masters. They've mentioned them in stories. They have them in the underworld's kit. I do not know how we don't get sword masters. Right. Does this guy, is this guy the only person on this type of amount or is this a unit as well? I don't know. They literally busted the doors off the zoo and they're just rolling out like all the weird animals. And you know what? If that's their thing, cool. Yes. There you go. Not for Tom though. Not for Tom. But that's all right. Okay. So that brings us then of all the releases and leaks. So then the last thing they mentioned, we're going to get into this at the end, but I'm going to leave this up for a second. Okay. Because this is going to set us up for the dead and the divine. When we get into our predictions, because there's still a lot more to go through here. So, so much more to go through. But that brings us up to everything they released this week. Almost. I know I'm sitting on one thing we haven't talked about yet. Yes. I know what came out today. Don't worry. We're going to talk about it when we get into what we're going to see this weekend. But first, I want to do some just quick normal segments. We'll leave the news and then basically pick back up with the news. So that's fine. Tom, let's do some pick of the week real quick. What do we got? Yeah. For me, I'm going to highlight Mr. Mephisto's rant cast from I don't think it was this week. It was a prior week with him and Joe. Hey, whoa, Twitch. And they had just some fantastic hot takes and they like hit every topic from politics to models to all the gaming. So, uh, check it out. We'll have the link below. Yes. Absolutely. It was great. If you warning spicy, spicy, spicy takes and strong language included. Okay. Yeah. My pick of the week is going to be from our good buddy two plus tough. If you're like me and you've been enjoying soulbound and you're thinking about getting into it. So one of the questions you might have that I had the first time I heard about the concept was, wait, why, why add this extra layer of soulbound to it? Right? Why would you actually do this? That seems stupid and unnecessary. Can't we just be adventures like in every D&D game ever? I came to really love the concept of soulbound in the game and think it actually provides tremendous value in separating your characters and driving you with a sort of impetus. I think it's actually a very critical part of the world. You can in the base book run without the binding and I think that, but Doug put out a video called, but why become soulbound? And he walks you through kind of the explanation of what it is and why people do it. And it is really fantastic. To me, it went from a big question mark of like, why even have this to an absolute outstanding strength of the game? It sets it aside in theme and tone and tenor. Gives you something to actually seat your characters in the world in an interesting way and your position within it. So check it out. Both will be linked down below. Okay. So quick and easy. Let's get to some just very fast hobby time. All right. Hobby time. Tom, what have you been working on, man? I've been building a lot of models this week. I got some gaming in this weekend. Let's see if you can see the top of this model. Let's see if it actually breaks into frame. Yeah, you're in frame. There is the top of the model that I'm working on right now. Okay. Okay. And so I'm doing a vent space. Yeah. Another one. So, yeah, so I did, I got some games in this weekend and appreciated how my mixed five man bugman's unit went. And so decided that for my final five thunder models that I would do another five of bugman's crew. So I have a 10 man bugman's rangers unit. Awesome. Yeah. So pretty fantastic. Put together a good 20 or so bubble boys, which will take me to 48. So many. That's so many. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, it's like four max size units. That's 1600 points. Sure. So I'm going to throw in a Endron boy and two. He's done to Kevin. Who needs boats? Who needs boats? All of the guns. Yeah. So just lots of building this week. Did some priming. And I'm running out of models. I got a bunch of models in two weeks or a little over a week ago. And I'm almost, I've almost built all of them. Nice. Nice. For myself. I finished up the dread pageant or I'm about to finish it up before I leave. I'll have it done by this weekend and I'll share it. I won't have any hobby time in between now and then, but it's a few, just a lot of quick touches. Also working on, I'm just getting prepping up a model for my hobby jam in February. I'm real excited about that. I've got the cool. I've got a really cool model to work on for that project that I'm working on for my hobby jam in February. And yeah, that's I, I'm not going to have much hobby time. Like after I, after I hit end on this show, that will be the end of my hobby time until this weekend. So, So I had to do that, but man was that dread print pageant, like really fun to paint. But it also made me go, if every model in like the bliss barb seekers is as detailed as the, that one archer who's in there going to be in for it, going to be in for it. And I don't make things easy on myself, but at any rate, that's fine. I'm still looking forward to it. So good stuff. And I look forward to whatever else is coming with Slenesh. I'm not sure what project I'm working on next. We'll see. That finishes up, that basically finishes up all my pre Slenesh stuff for the models that I can get my hands on now. All right. Now, after that quick diversion, let's get back to the dead and the divine. All right. So now we're going to talk about the rest of the stuff they revealed, all the things related to this. This Saturday, we have a show, or we don't have a show. Sorry, they have a show. I mean, we'll probably do a show in response to this, but it'll be late in the afternoon. I'm going to warn you now. It will not be an early morning response show, just like we've done in the past, to their reveal show, because I will not be in a place where I will be able to stream. So it'll be probably late afternoon. I am imagining we're going to need to do one, just based on what we've seen so far. We'll see. Sure. Okay. Way to temper expectations, but this is what they've said they're going to talk about, a Sigma or 40K kill team, Titanicus and Underworlds. Now, their little teaser image today was of a big Imperial Knight leg, which I assume is the Titanicus thing. So that's cool. Kill team, I would hope and assume they're going to talk about Pariah Nexus or go into full reveal and detail of that. So that'll be nice. Underworlds, 40K, I have no idea. I assume probably the next codices or something that are coming and whatever, maybe a model or two that are cool. I assume it'll be a space marine thing. But obviously what we're here for is AOS Underworlds. And maybe this new thing. So before we get into the rest of AOS and Underworlds, which are going to take up the rest of our time here in this show. Tom, what do you think that new thing is? I'm going to stand by my answer of how I answered like a week or two ago. Okay. I think it's a warning request. That's a good idea. Like you had called that out of nowhere back in the show and I didn't see it coming, but it's not a bad call. Because I've been disenfranchised on my vampirates. Sure. I'm going to say that we're also not going to get an order of Azier army. It's going to be part of whatever you think this is. Yeah. I think that we're going to get like a Witch Hunter model in... Oh, you ready for this? Ready for this hot take? I'm ready. I think we're going to get a Witch Hunter, a Witch Hunter style model in the warhammer quest and potentially the ogre with petticoat. Yeah. Or whatever he was. Yes. Yes. Is possibly from that as well. And that's not a call out to vampirates. That's a call out to Witch Hunter jackets. Sure. And so that's either like an undead, like Witch Hunter, like somebody that's been turned. Yeah. Or it's a member of the crew and the coloration. We just didn't understand what was going on. Sure. Interesting. Interesting. Okay. Okay. I could see that. Yeah. That's not a bad call. I feel like it's got to be something new just based on what they said in the article, right? So it's not going to be like War Cry or something like that. Could it be like Battlefleet Gothic or Dreadfleet, a new Dreadfleet or something like that? Sure. Those seem entirely possible. I'll be sad if it's those. Right. I don't think it'll be anything to do with the old world. I really, I just like, they're not going to, they're not going to wrap that into there. When they do old world stuff, it'll be like, hey, this is an old world focus thing. Right. Right. Right. So yeah, I mean, if it was on my money, I would say either you're right or it's Battlefleet Gothic. Right. Like those two things feel like the most likely. And I'm going to go in and say that the main enemy of this is going to be death in the war. Yeah. That would make sense because I guess the previous, previous incarnations were basically chaos. So sure. And, and that may be where our werewolves are. Oh, okay. Okay. So maybe they're not in the book formally, but maybe they show up and they're playing with the idea of this. Now, if it was a perfect world and it was up to me what this release would be, would be a witch hunter-esque style like cities thing where it's in the, like the remnants of the dock district of Harcaron. Oh, that'd be sweet. And so it's like the city that's newly been taken over by the Dark Elves, but the city, the under city is infested by vampires. All right. And then you have witch hunters and like the witch hunters, the order of Asia are going in, trying to pull out the remnants of the people who survived from Harcaron, the takeover, like the humans and all that. Yeah. I could see that. I could see it being a couple of different places they could situate it, but it feels like they, they do a cool, if they're going to go that direction, it needs to be narrative, right? Yeah. It feels exactly. It feels like it'll be a, an urban type setting, right? Driven by the narrative. Yes. Yeah. So, Hey look, if you're, if you're right, if it's like, it's probably going to be something like Battlefield League Gothic just to let me down, right? Like that's what it's, you know, that's how this always works. Right. But I, let me tell you what, I really want you to be right. Like, I want to have this like gritty urban Warhammer quest, witch hunter thing, whatever you're talking about. Like that sounds amazing. So, it does. It really does. Like I would be in like Flynn for that. And if that means we get new cool heroes that somehow join up into the order armies. Again, also excellent. Yup. All right. So now let's get into the, into the proper stuff. I mean, again, it's an empty box of question mark. It could be anything. It could be a boat. Right. So, but what I'll say is this it, because it's down there with it, like a depth is taking it, Titanic is, and it doesn't seem to fit in the categories of AOS underworld to kill team or 40 K. It tells me that it's a special teams project. Right. Yup. And it should be mentioned. Yes. As, as spider said, we're going to get a lot of not only what the death is, but who's going to stand against death. Right. Like we're, because they specifically mentioned the 40 K, like, or not 40 K, sorry, they specifically mentioned the like, thank you. Yes. I'll just, I'll just read spiders quote, what heroes will stand against the reborn evil? You might just find out on Saturday as we raised the stakes. Yeah. We saw the model too. We get it. Stakes. Stakes and a state gun. And then state guns are cool. Boom. Then they went and dropped this vampire on us today. Oh my goodness. All memories of that previous vampire that we had looked at earlier in the show. We're just driven away. Just, just gone. Like a, this was like the nuclear bomb dropping in Terminator two. I was there on the chain link fence with Linda Hamilton as they dropped this incredible model. We've seen the silhouette for a long time. Right. Yep. And Donald, yes, they did say it's a new product. A new. And as they point out, we know, we have this name, which could very easily be the city where this is taking place in. Oh, sure. Yeah, could also be the seat for, for the warrior request or whatever. Yeah. So anyways, this model is amazing. It's everything I wanted it to be this paint job. It does not let me down. I am very happy with this one. I think they nailed it. It's incredible. And I dig the living heck out of her. I love the, I love the sword tucked under her hair. Like that's so insane. It's great. Like she clearly put her sword up on her shoulder and then flipped her hair. That's how it got like that. Yeah. There's narrative for what happened here. Yes. This is incredible. And I love it. This is obviously the first member of our new underworld tour band. We'll look at it. We'll look at the roadmap in just a moment. Holy Moses. Yeah. This model's great. I mean, it's a vampire with two cutlisses. So. She's piratey enough for me. Let me just say that she is piratey enough for me. Look, the silhouette, like I wasn't expecting a tricorn hat or a parrot on the shoulder. Right. No. She looks like the, like she is dressed and feels kind of like a black arc fleet master. Of course. Yeah. I mean, I understand she doesn't have the cloak, but that's like a specific dark out thing. Right. Yeah. She has the, the Bouchier. A lot of people are complaining about the armor. Like, oh, pirates don't wear armor. Yeah. But if you're a super, super naturally strong creature of the night pirate, you can probably swim in armor. Right. Yes. I don't think she's worried about that. Like, oh no, I'm going to drown. That's not how it works. I just walk. You can probably fly too. Right. Yes. Like you can just put on armor when you're a vampire on the ocean. It's cool. You know, you can be, if you're a pirate vampire, you can wear armor. It doesn't matter if you go overboard. Who cares? You can, you can't drown. Also. Okay. Okay. Great. Yes. So her name is vellis von fein, which is cool. They did reveal her name with some art for it. Yep. This model I love, like the hair is absolutely insane and ridiculous. The swords are great. The hair is very similar. Like she does the same hair routine clearly as the other girl. Because like her, the strands of her hair are huge, like almost quintically, which is, is fine. Like some, some people really dig that aesthetic and, and I think it works for her where, for this, like for vampires where it may not work for other folks. Yeah. I'm, I'm all about this model. I really think this looks great. You know, can I just talk about one very minor sculpting detail that I'm in love with on this model, Tom, something that I bet that I'm sure most people don't notice, but this is, it's just something that, that gets me all the time. Yep. Look at the hilt on her, on her sword, specifically like the grip. Yep. Okay. Yep. Every grip for every weapon in fantasy is almost always the same thing. It's either the crosshatch or the wrapped leather, which is fine. Like I get that. That's, that is a pretty standard hilt make. I'm not arguing with the authenticity of that. It's fine. It's just every time I have this unexpected leather cloth that I'm like trying to work around a hand or whatever. And it's just kind of annoying. Like it's, that wrapping, that style of a wrapping is actually a really annoying thing to paint and make look right. Cause you have to edge, highlight it and black line every piece of it and build up and then texture every little bit of, at least I do a you, you do you and whatever you find comfortable with. But my point is, I don't like painting tiny little hilt sections on the bottom, grip sections at the bottom of the sword. Right. She doesn't have it like that. It's much more harder, almost like a, like a more solid grip. Right. Because again, her hand is probably such that she can like grab a piece of concrete and crush it. Right. Because she's super naturally strong, so she doesn't need like some soft leather to, to make sure that her hand is okay. It's the tiniest of details, but boy did it make me so happy to see, cause it's such a different little thing. So I quite liked that. And then I just, I like the, the gorget look with the shoulder pads. I think that looks nice. So, yeah, good stuff. I like it. I like the corset. Yeah, sure. A hundred percent. It's good. Like I like the division line there between sort of the, the bustier part and the, the main like, I don't know undergarment she's wearing, which clearly extends down onto her legs. Like she's wearing some kind of one piece undergarment. Right. Yep. Yeah. I like it. I like the different textures. I even kind of like the hair on this one. I really like her hair. It's like so crazy and over the top, which I enjoy. I mean, like, you know, we both have daughters of cane army, army. Right. So, you know, over the top hair comes with the territory, right? Yeah. And I even like the face, the almost animalistic vampire face. Like they've been doing more of these. Yeah. This face is really good. It like, I like the really pronounced fangs. She has very, very pronounced like tar cheeks. It's gonna be a lot of way to play in there. So, yeah. Yeah. This was, this was great. And we still have more members of her, her warband to reveal. Her crew. Yeah, her crew. It should be worth pointing out that she's on a stone floor, not on a ship deck. Yeah, sure. Sure. But again, this is piratey enough for me. I wasn't ever asking for vampires and freaking tricorn hats and, you know, peg legs and stuff like that. Yeah. Like I want this kind of an aesthetic. When I saw this, I was at this, this was like, this punched me in the face. This is what I wanted. This is what I'm here for. This has been a great week for me. I am very excited about everything that I'm, I'm going to be buying and painting this year. My wallet is less excited, but, but I'm excited. I like her a lot. Like I don't want to dismiss this. Like this is my favorite model that we've seen. Yeah. Like, let me, I don't want to undersell this. This is probably the most favorite model that I've seen in the last a while. A year and a half. Sure. I mean, the fact that you thought that long says a while, right? Yeah. And this is, this is great. Like sculpting wise, this is an absolute home run. Okay. So again, hello sculptor. If you watch this, IGW, more like this, this is incredible work. I mean, I'm excited to see the hair game on the rest of the vampire. Absolutely. Right. Where's that hair game at? That's what we're here for. You guys, it could be clearly what this tells me is it's going to be stunning. Right. We're going to do a model hair review. All right. So that brings us then into the roadmap. We're going to see for underworlds. Like we'll see the rest of her warband on Saturday. So we know that's going to be the underworlds reveal. And as well, we're going to do a model hair review. All right. So that brings us then into the roadmap. The underworlds reveal. And as well, we might get a little bit of teasers of something else too. Who knows? Uh, first thing that's important to realize with underworlds is that, uh, we have a new timeline. This did change. Yeah. Uh, they had to push everything back a month. Right. So the chaos, the awesome chaos warband is now February instead of January. The Seraphon are now March instead of Fab. Basically things got pushed back a month until we get to May. Right. Um, and they're hoping to catch back up. That's their plan. And I want to talk about this for a second. I think this is actually really important. Okay. Yep. Before we get into specifics of what's on this picture over here, I'm not angry about them pushing it back at all. Totally makes sense. Yep. Things outside of their control. If you're getting angry because things got pushed back a month, you're kind of a jerk. All right. Like I'm just going to say that. There's a lot of good reasoning to do this. And, and moreover, if you're a jerk to them about them pushing this thing back a month, all that tells them is don't release roadmaps ever. Right. Right. Right. Okay. Why they're afraid of releasing roadmaps is because they're afraid they'll have to disrupt it. Like they know what they're doing for the next year. They know what the releases are for 2021 or ideally what they are. Right. Now, sometimes giant global pandemics happen and disrupt things. But like there is a, there is a board where they undoubtedly have a roadmap plan for 2021, 2022, and so on. Right. They just don't tell us, tell us what it is. Because they know if they have to move stuff that we're going to be like, we're going to lose our minds. Right. And I don't like that. Like as somebody in my professional career, like my normal job that I do for a living, I have to manage roadmaps for, you know, a very big multiple pieces of software. Right. To communicate that to people. And sometimes things move. Like that's what happens. And I want to encourage you GW to do this kind of roadmap for more stuff. They kind of started doing it for 40 K a little. Right. Cause they gave a little vision into the courtesy releases. Right. And no, I, and so Joe McGill said, as long as we don't get a reveal and have to wait four months before we get to the reveal, we're going to have to wait four months before we get to the reveal. Okay. I want them to be transparent. Show me a rolling six month roadmap or something like that, or twice a year release a new roadmap for the six months or whatever. Okay. And you can be cheeky with it. You can show less than, and we can still roll to the reveal, but give us an idea. And this goes in line with something that Rob had said this week that I actually thought was really good. I'm going to reveal trailers on his, on his, like he did a little stream show in response to the leaks or whatever. Yep. And the reveals and he talked about how much stronger the release reveals are when they're grounded in like narrative videos. And his examples were stuff like OBR and the Tithe series of videos, right? That stuff. He pointed to the gene stealer cults, introduction video and stuff like that. And I completely agree with him on this. I want to see more stuff like that. To me, a good reveal isn't just the models with cool music. Like I want that. Don't get me wrong. I want that. You want the Marathi video. Yeah. I love that Marathi video, but I also think that he's right. Like that gene stealer cult video is bonkers amazing. Like it puts you, like I wanted to play gene stealer cults all of a sudden. I don't know what happened. I don't even play 40 K really anymore. Right? Right. But that's how good it was because it just pulled you into the story. So I want to see them do that roadmap and then start doing, because then if we know it's that far in advance, they can start rolling out narrative trailers and stuff like that way earlier. Yeah. I know that's cost. I know that's money. I know that's time. But I just think it's hype. Yeah. Right? We knew Cyberpunk 2077 was coming out in like 2013, but they probably, maybe they worked on it. Maybe they did or didn't work on it for the next three years. But my point is it was hype. Right? I'm not asking for like anything more than like a six month roadmap with their goal. And if things move, hey, that's cool. Right. I understand. The majority of the community will understand. Right. So don't let a couple loud mean people, you know, take you out of it. That would be my point. So I was just a, something that occurred to me as part of this whole thing. As I looked at this roadmap and was so happy with it, that I wish this kind of, I wish we had one of these just like, I wish there was literally one of these graphics I could go grab for every game system. Yeah. Right. Okay. So we've got our vampires. Fantastic. They're in now in April. Absolutely. Beautifully. Yeah. As current said, and you get people invested, not just financially, but narratively agreed. Completely agreed. We got our reveal here. So that's a bone splitter. Right. I mean, that's, that's what that is. That is a bone plitter. Yes. We had said originally we thought they're bone splitters. I know Paul was pushing very hard that he wanted it to be spider fang cause the bones kind of looked like fangs. Of course it's not that. And I said, no, no, it's going to be bone splitters. Yup. That silhouette is clearly a big orc with a big, some kind of bone club or something. Yup. So yeah, all bone probably. Yeah. Or like some kind of a, it looks almost like he's in kind of the big stab a position. Right. So maybe he has like a moderate stab. A not so big stab. Not so big stab. Yeah. Exactly. So the, I'm excited about that. And then I think we know that the next two are already like just because the symbols are so clear, you're going to see OBR as the one after that. Cause we know there's an OBR warband. We've already seen model releases for, and then the last one's probably IDK. So. Yup. Cool. Great. Awesome. I mean, if they keep killing it like they have, I mean, these first three sets for this season have been strong. I mean, No, let's, let's, let's be fair. I don't know that there's really an underworld's warband that's been bad. I mean, there's got to be one, right? Maybe, maybe, maybe what? Sylvaneth. Like the, oh, the, the Sylvaneth one proper, right? Like the, you know, it's the Skardians or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That has the weird, the weird spikes, not spikes, the tree revs that had stuff like that, like that didn't fit with the rest of the army. But in general, like the models have just been stunning that come out of underworlds. Agreed. But I think this is especially strong. Yeah. Okay. Like God's war and hunt. That's fair. Yeah. That's probably fair. Thank you, Andrew. I agree. But that's okay because that chaos one again got swept away, like so much ash into the bin of history with this, with this new incredible one that's going to release next month. Yup. Yup. Yeah. So all about that. Okay. Great. So that's underworlds. Anything else we want to say about underworlds, Tom and these awesome model releases? I can't wait. I'm sad. I have to wait till April to buy those, that, that vampire warband. Yeah. It's too long. It's too long. I needs it. I needs it now. Okay. Somebody who's, I, Chris Teal says, I wish they weren't push fit. Yeah. I don't know. I never have a problem with it. But that's, so maybe like, so let me give a quick tip on push fit. Maybe this will help some people. Maybe it won't. Chris, you probably already know this, but that's okay. So with push fit models, you take that you have a socket and the pin, right? So what I always do is I take the socket, and I cut a triangle into it with my clippers or my nippers. And then it slides right in and you get a completely clean joint. It's still tight. So effectively instead of the whole socket, you cut it to be something more like this. Like you just literally cut a pie piece out of it. Think of like literally a pie slice out with your, your, your nippers or your clippers. And then they'll just slide right together. No issue. And they still stay tight. And you got a huge, you got a great joint. I bore, I use my exacto knife and I just bore the inside of the, the receiving end out just a touch. And it does the same thing. I've tried lots of different methods, like cutting the pin, shaving the pin, boring out. This one in the end is the me that has, that has worked the best because by, by snipping that pie piece out of the socket, you still have a ton of joint space, but it will naturally separate when you push the pin in. Does that make sense? Yeah. And it's equal all the way down. So you don't have the problem like with your exacto knife, you're not getting it evenly all the way to the base of it. So just a thought. Like I've been, you know, I've tried lots of different methods. If you have a different way to work for you, super cool, but that's been the one that works for best for me. So now I brought up a mighty wind. This was a little reveal thing. So let's talk about the dead and the divine. Let's get back to AOS. Tom, soul, blight, grave, words. Boom. We know we've got a new vampire Lord. We know there's still a lot more death stuff. Warboss Kurgan, the master of the rumor engines, the Lord Commander, the Lord Celestant, slash mega boss, slash whatever of, of rumor engines, had a, put out a big thread on Twitter today that was like, here are all of the rumor engines that are not solved, that could be related to death. Like four images, four images, four images, four images. Yeah. Like 16 images in the throw. Potential death ones. How big is this release? I know my vote. Real big. I'm, I'm saying this is going to be probably bigger than I even thought. I'm going to say it is a total of eight, eight kits. Eight kits. So then theoretically, you know, at maximum, that would mean something like 16 war scrolls. If everything was a dual kit, but realistic, you'd probably end up more with like 12 war scrolls, right? Yep. Yep. And plus the old stuff, which puts us like, like, you know, because you have both the dragon, you have the, you have the dragon, you have the Coventhrone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The fact that this is vampire focused, really sort of clicked into place for me this week. Like I've been saying that for weeks. Yeah. But then as I thought about it, in OBR, you've got Nagash and Archon. You got the Bowie Boys, right? Right. Yep. So who did that leave as your leadership that hasn't been touched? It's Nefrada and, and Manfred. It's the vampires. That's all that's left. This had to be. I told you that. Yeah, yeah. We literally had this conversation. Yes. It didn't click in the same way for me until I like, I don't know the penny drop this week, Tom. I don't know what to tell you. Okay. That's fair. Like, I mean, I've been on board with it. I was never disagreeing with you. Right. It was just, I couldn't, I can't believe like that division line should have told us for a mile away that what we were going to get was vampires. Right. Agreed. Yes. So. Yes. The more gas sending up in OBR as well. Yep. So to me with our, our mighty wind here, the dead and the divine, I think that we're going to see both of those things. Like, I don't know for 40 K. What? Like maybe a new sister's going to be a divine part or whatever, but I think we'll have both dead and divine in AOS. Go ahead. Are you positing that this is death? I'm positing that this is an AOS model. That's all I'm posting. Okay. That's fair. Yes. This is not death. This is your, this is one of your Lumineth air spirits. Hmm. Because the wind temple, the air temple is the temple that we're doing. The hoppy like get air calf. Like we're like, this is the air temple. And so this is going to be something air related. We've literally seen we're getting wind riding spirit when riding mages. Completely agreed. I think this is an LRL thing. Yes. Yes. And I, and I agree with Martin Orlando. I don't think that this release will see sword masters. I think they're water temple. I don't think sword masters are air. Okay. I don't know. They spin around a lot. It's kind of whirlwind fighting style. They do. They do. But like they're because of like, they fight like the Witcher, you know, less spins. They, but because of the historic like stance dancing kind of movement flowy stuff, like that's all water. Like that's not air. And so like sword masters will be, they'll be water. I don't think that they're going to be air. Right. They could always just be even Ari itself in some way. Like they could be, they could be core. Yep. Yep. So, you know, who knows. Uh, the, um, So here's the real question though, Vince. Yeah. Before we get on to full death, let's not, I want to, I want to tarry on LRL here for a moment. Okay. Yep. So you got LRL part two. Yep. And this has come pretty fast on the back of LRL part one. Now, obviously they're, you know, I think originally they were supposed to be about the same distance because LRL was supposed to drop early in the year. And then I think we were supposed to get part two in 2020. Okay. Yeah, probably. I think this is how they've solved their problem. All right. Okay. I'll explain, Tom, what I mean. Okay. GW has a challenge. Yep. AOS people probably don't want to be on the battle tone treadmill. Right. And at the same time, they recognize that they have a problem with the battle tone treadmill. Right. And AOS three, reasonably most people are pretty happy with the game. It doesn't have a huge number of proud nails. Right. There's not a lot of really massive systemic changes we would want to make that would invalidate old battle tones. Yep. Right. Yep. So sure, you could print new battle tones. Right. Right. You can introduce new armies. There's probably some limit to that. Right. Where the game eventually just becomes untenable and you've got to start retiring people. Yep. Or combining them. Or combining them. But I think we've got a ways to go until that, honestly. Yep. I don't think they want to put people on the battle tone treadmill because they realize that creates a diminishing marginal utility. Right. You lose people. Because people are just like, I've got to buy this thing again. I just bought one a year ago, two years ago. And AOS players aren't space marine players. Yep. Right. So they said, okay, well, we've got to sell books. Right. Like, we got to sell books. And we're going to do, and so instead of trying to silver bullet it, they've went to a broad based strategy on how to solve this problem. Okay. Step one we've already talked about. It's the broken realms thing and narrative story movements like that. Which again, we're all like, thumbs up, right? Broken realms, Marathi was amazing. Yep. I want more broken realms. I hope we see part two this weekend. Yep. I think we will. I feel like we have to. Come on. Yeah. I'm going to, so I'm going to be, well, I'm interested to see where you're going with this, but I'm going to be ambitious with what my call is going to be. I think I know how they solved it, but I want to hear what you, you're going to say first. Okay. So the answer is they figured out. And you see it with Slanesh and LRL. And I think you'll see it in the future is we can do part two, two books. And even if we have a conception of a whole range, we split it up. So instead of saving all of it until one big shot and releasing all of LRL as like one thing, I think this was an absolutely intentional choice. And yes, I think there'll be a new LRL book on the backside of this. Oh, wow. Okay. Maybe it'll be a book too. Maybe it won't replace the old one. Maybe I'm going to go with the new one. Maybe it will replace the old one. I don't know about that. But I think effectively the way that they figured out how to solve it is one, we interspersed narrative books and big narrative movements. Okay. Good. Yep. But also we're going to take the existing armies as we release them and we'll kind of go and we'll make them a little more of a staccato release, right? And at the same time, the broken realms feeds a future of a reversion of the book, right? Because then that stuff gets integrated in. Whenever you need to eventually replace it on the line and it gives you a justification for that book. Yeah. You cut some stuff, you add in the new stuff, right? And, you know, some people have called it like DLC. That's been kind of discussed in here. Look, they got to sell books, folks. This is what it is. Like, this is capitalism. I don't know what to tell you. That's it. This is how the system works. It's not a charity operation. Okay. So like, and if you don't just want them, if we don't want them just completely replacing the book over and over again, this seems like a better way to go, which is give me a new section of an army, you know, give me like a book to or whatever. Right. You know, give me an expansion. Like, I'm getting a new slanesh book. Now that's less than two years after my original slanesh book came out, right? Yep. But I'm happy about the additional models. Like, we're getting new models. They're justifying it, right? It's not just here's a new battle tone with just new rules for no reason, right? Mm-hmm. There's a release to justify it. I don't know if it's the better way or not, but it's, it's a way. So do you want to know what I think they're doing? I'm ready, man. So the way that I think that this ends up getting trotted out and rolled out is I actually think the, they, the magic of it, they actually, they market tested it already. And that was mainly on the dual boxes, the dual army boxes. Sure. I think what they've discovered is, is that with those boxes, they release staple bound publications of printed war scrolls. Mm-hmm. And they've been doing this with single models for a while now. Sure. And so they've done it with, um, they've done it with, uh, you know, like the Endred Master and the one, you know, Zeech, Arcanite Guy and all that stuff. They, and sometimes there's been like large gaps before those things showed up in like the actual battle tones. Yeah, sure. Sure. Absolutely. Um, and so what I, what my premise is, is I think what we're going to see with this LRL release is that I think it's going to be tied to the new Broken Realms book. Okay. And I think it's a dual box. Okay. Um, where, where you're going to get a handful of units. Um, now you may get the individual box units pretty quickly afterwards because the leak we had was of the individual box. So I don't want to dismiss that like that, that those are coming, but it would not surprise me if, for example, we got like an LRL versus vampire, uh, in a dual box for this, for the new Broken Realms. Yeah. Which, which I don't know the last time we ever had a quote unquote, like new army dual, like two new armies or relatively new armies in a dual box, but we'll see. Yeah. Uh, just, uh, I want to, I want to, uh, uh, address something here. So red says, don't agree on the books thing. It binds their, it binds their development. If you think hobbyists aren't going to spend that money on minis. I actually, for the first time, really disagree events. I'm not sure exactly what you mean, Reds, but I'm what my argument is that to just clarify my point is that I think they've realized that if they're one of the good ways to justify people getting a new book, because if you just release new battle tones, here's, here's the point I'm saying they have to sell books. That's the reality. Right. Yep. So they want to put out new versions of battle tones and re explore stuff. Right. But if you just keep printing new books and that's all you do and you just release a book, ultimately you lose people. Like, yes, you will sell some of them. I'm not saying they sell zero, of course. That's not what, that's not the world we live in. Right. It's about controlling bleed. And you, and they know that when they release new models, not only do they stop bleed, but they also bring people in. And so the way they figured out to do this is if we tie these new books to an expansion of the army, then it justifies the book's existence. One, right. Because look, there's a bunch of new kids. Of course you need a new book. Right. Two, it excites people because we all get new, like new models are an exciting thing naturally. Right. And if you're already invested in the army, you're highly likely to want to get the new kids. And that's the new book. And that's the new book. Yes. Right. That's the argument I'm making. Right. Will they do that every time? No. No. They'll release things in whatever way they deem appropriate. Right. My argument is when they see the chance to do this, they'll do it. Yep. That's what I'm arguing is that it solves the dilemma. Well, and what, and I think that we could even get new models potentially with new war scrolls in dual boxes because we've continued to see that without necessarily getting new books right away. I don't think we're getting a new LRL book. Okay. I don't. Sure. I don't. I think that what we're going to do is we're going to get a, we're going to, they will be in broken realms, the new units will be. Yep. With probably an updated allegiance. Right. Sure. Like one of the nations will have the Aral Elemental Temple associated with it. And I don't think we get a new book with this, honestly. Okay. I wouldn't be surprised if they're in a dual box with like a staple bound thing, but I think that that's the other way that these expansions happen is dual boxes or narrative campaigns. So, but I think we are, but I think on the next temple release in a year or two, we will get a new LRL book. Okay. Fair enough. So that's what I would say. All right. Let's get on to death because we don't have much more time left. I got to get moving or my wife will kill me. So let's talk about death. The dead. The dead. Obviously, as we, we saw the new Vampire Lord, we know they're the Soulblight Grave Lords. Like I said, I think this release is going to be very big. My guess is no, somebody asked who are going to see a new like Vampire Lord on Dragon. I think the answer that's no. I think they'll keep the existing kit. It's a new kit. It's plastic. It's still in use because it's part of FEC. So there's been a reason they'd like to see a new one. By the way. Okay. Like I do see one, one world where we get a new dragon kit. Okay. Is if the new, the new Lord Park is the blood dragon one. Well, that's, which is a different discussion. Okay. Because where I was going to go was will there be a new centerpiece to this release? Yes. Yes. A thousand percent. There will be a new centerpiece. Right. They're not making releases without a big sexy centerpiece. There could be a dragon writing on it. So they're not going to, they're not going to retire that other kit. Correct. It would end up being like a truly special character in some way. Like a Mortar kit. Right. Like the presence of, you know, Manfred on his, his kitty cat dragon thing doesn't, doesn't invalidate the vampire Lord on zombie dragon. Right. That would be a good candidate for a new centerpiece model. Right. Like a new Mortar on some new centerpiece models. The Mortarks are how they've generally often opened up like their centerpiece models, not always, but often. Right. Yep. So, you know, could be like an Aberash type character. Could you could be a Mortar of the abyss or something? Like there's lots of options. Okay. Yep. But I am like, my strong feeling is we're going to get a fair amount of, of both. The reason I think this kit, this is going to be so large is I think we're going to get a fair amount of rework of existing kits. Okay. And a, like I think originally I said that I, this will end up feeling a little bit more like a Gitz. I think way back when we first talked about this, I said I think this will feel more like a Gitz release where you get reworks of, of some classics and quite a bit of new stuff building off of that. And I still stand behind that. Everything I've seen thus far tells me that's the case. Like you already, we just saw the remade vampire Lord. Right. Right. Right. That's not going to be the only thing like that. And, and we thought he would be like in a dual box originally. You're right. Definitely not because that's a Clampak. That is a Clampak kit. Stand alone hero. By the way, excited to see that. Good. More of that please. Thank you. Keep just, just like, I don't care if you put these things in a dual box again. Just Clampak them a little faster. That'd be great. Thanks. Okay. And then, you know, yes, you're going to see Nefarad and Manfred still in here. Right. Yep. But neither of them fits that blood dragon aesthetic really. So it makes sense that you could get an Aberash or somebody like that. Right. And it's not, and it's not going to, it would not surprise me if that's our new like, so I talked about like, you're going to get a bunch of updates of the generic stuff and then you're going to get one new line. Right. Do you remember that? And like my, I posited the new line was going to be Wraith Fleet Vampires. I'm just going to bring her back up because it's fun to have her on screen. And she's beautiful. I had posited it was Wraith Fleet Vampires. What we may be in said beginning is the blood dragons, Aberash style. So instead of a more Tark of the Abyss, you're going to get more Tark of the dragons or whatever. Yes. More Tark of the, of the of the night terror or something. Sure. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. You know, that's the trajectory. And it feels like with the things that are big candidates for getting remade. We've mentioned the blood knights a hundred times. I still stand behind that there will be an absolute like absolutely we will get new blood knights. I just, I cannot believe seeing that new dragon, dragon blood dragon. Vamp Lord. I was like that cinched it for me right there. Right. I was like blood knights are coming bottom line. Yeah. And that's what, yes. But what I, and then that's what I'm saying. That that is why I'm saying that what we may be seeing is something blood dragon focused for the, the new expansion of the line rather than vampire. Yep. And so then I think we'll see. I like the other candidates to me are the sort of base creatures. Wolves. Yeah. That type things stuff like that. Zombies even maybe right. It'd be neat to actually have them have some kind of life again and roll in that army. They're a very classic concept there. And, you know, they're just basically languishing unused right now. Yeah. And then that's where then on top of that we'll get the cool new stuff. Right. That's where we'll lay in werewolves or golems or whatever, you know, the new whatever this new stuff is we're going to get. There's just so many potentials out of the out of the various rumor engines we've seen. I like they could show me anything out of as you mentioned out of a Halloween store. And I'd be like, yep. I believe it. Yeah. All right. Anything else you want to say about the dead and the divine and our predictions? A lot of kits. Honestly, I'm going to go a little higher in Utah. I'm saying 10 kits total. Can I ask a question? Go. What's the divine? I think partially a 40 K type thing. Probably a sisters of battle code decks. Like they're hinting at that. But then it'll also be they'll also tie the LRL new stuff into it as well because the elementary spirits and air or whatever is like a divine thing to the LRL. And also if you're right and it's a quest thing. Right. Like let's say you're right and it's a warhammer quest thing. Then all the witch hunters and whatever that kind of thing is. If like if this if this story you've trotted out of like, you know, the witch hunter urban thing, those are divine hunters. Like it'll just tie in perfectly to all of that. Yeah. And that's in that. And that's actually where I was going to go with this divine element is in this old of whatever where the you know the Sigmar's Order of Aesir come down. Yeah. Yep. And so I think that we get a night quester another another night quester model another storm cast warrior type. We see a warrior priest. We see a witch hunter and we see a celestial battle mage. Nice. That'd be great. I'd love to see it. Yeah, that sounds awesome. We'll see. Tune in Saturday to the actual reveal and find out. We'll probably I'm sure be here Saturday afternoon whenever I get back talking about it. But there you go. It is going to be. I'm pretty stoked for this reveal. This is one of the most like, you know, this is the reveal. I think we didn't get last time. We got lots of teases of it last time. No, this time. Let's let's see what we get. So with that, this is like I said, short show today. We'll be back as normal next week. Actually, it'll be a slightly early show next week, but that's okay. We will be back. Not this early. If you haven't hit like already. Hey, hit like. Thank you very much for watching. I hope this was fun. If you have things that you think they're going to get revealed and we haven't mentioned them. If you think we're totally wrong, drop it down in the comments. Always appreciated. If you haven't already subscribed, go ahead and do so. But as always, thank you very much for watching. We'll see you next Wednesday.