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Yeah, that's the main take, winning the fourth round, winning that for the fourth round, that's the main take. Obviously Dom's scored two goals, go for his confidence. Also, we started really well to be honest with you. It's nice to go away, we started quite well, started sipping the ball, scored two early goals. It wins all that matters really, isn't it? Yeah, definitely. Mi'n ymanad, ye, has come in for a little bit of criticism, there's no question about that. From all quarters it seems, and obviously Saturday Sheffield United are home and there's a big opportunity for Everton to just bounce back after the disappointment in the ball. It didn't happen, hence more criticism for the manager, there was a story on Monday I think, or Tuesday Monday I think, regarding the players not being happy and training being too long. I personally didn't have a problem with what the article was driving at, Michael Silver wanted the players to work harder to correct things. Yeah, it was in Greg to the column today for the Athletic as well, it was in there saying it wasn't really more to do with the fact that they had to go to the hotel than I before the game. That was more the issue than actual training, so it wasn't clarified. Bufu football is having to go to the hotel. It was just he wanted to look at the nutritional intake and prepare them for the game, how he sees fit. So every man has got the different foibles. We're all looking for fine details. We responded yesterday, made fine changes to the team that began at the weekend, whether those fine changes are going to carry on. Who knows, but we made changes last night, he brought in Mason Holgate for Michael Keane, Jibril Sidder became in for Seamus Coleman in midfield, which where he rarely changed it up, Fabian Delph alongside Tom Davison, Alex O'Woby, and then Dominic Alvert Loone came in up front instead of Moise Keane. What did you make of the team when you seen the team? I was quite happy obviously, as people have seen on Twitter, I've been quite critical of sticking to the 4-2-3-1, but that's his preferred system. I'd like to see an OOB at ten, I'd like to see Siddi be at right back. I thought Moise Keane would play trying to give him some confidence he did when Tom played. Maybe that was good because Don did score. Holgate plays on the left side of the fence, I thought that was quite surprising. I don't know whether that was the sort of thing that gave the pace of reach on the right. Tom Davison came back in. I'd like to see Tom Davison get a chance because it shows the manager's forgotten about him really. Do you think he played Mina on that side to help Siddi be out because Mina's been playing? Maybe. And then Holgate alongside Luke Edin who's been playing every week? Maybe, and he's sort of easy to organise with Mina and Siddi, but he's more of a stronger presence so we can tell him I'm not too interested in that. Having two fresh faces in the team might have been quite a smart move actually. You mentioned it there, the midfield that's been a little bit of a bug for me the last few weeks. Andre Gomez, I just feel as though I'm in field, there's been quite static, slow. Obviously Guilfee's not playing as well as we know he can. Morgan Snidlin, while doing his own job alright, it's not really helping the way we play because obviously him and Delph take up. You've just found a big, big teams, it's just not against those teams we're playing. Well yeah, when we need to go off the team, so I was happy that he mixed it up and we feel a bit runners last night with Obie and Tom Davis and they both did break forward. It wasn't quite the same setup as we've seen with Obie as a second striker really. Him and Davis did, you see Tom Davis breaking into the box quite a few times and that's one thing that's been really critical of Armour Field. Nobody tries to get past whether it be Dominic Alvillum, whether it be Moise Keane. It's very individual zones and that's no good because nowadays everything's about power and pace. But you've rightly said we started off, well we nearly had a terrible start on Davis, one of those things in the opening minutes. He froze didn't he? Well he just missed it, I think he struck his eye off the pass. Well it was the first, the chest of the touch was bad because he didn't touch the chest of the right year and then as you say he miss kicked it then. It was still off big and it would have been the second round. It was winnall, winnall got the chance. We'd give the yellow league up, the opportunity to go on the left. We'd like to start that way don't we? Clinking last round, you keep continuity. We did take the lead and it was an absolutely brilliant goal from Dominic Alvillum and it was Jibril Shidderby with an absolutely brilliant pass when you look at it because without being over critical on Seamus Cullman, I think Seamus would have just ran forward with that ball and gone into the thing but Shidderby looked up and played a lovely crossfiel ball. And Dominic was absolutely brilliant control by Dominic Alvillum on the thigh. He smashed the first time and he doesn't do enough of that I don't think. Dominic Alvillum he tries to get everything perfect and I think in the Premier League especially the chances gone. When you hesitate, the defenders are so quick across the ground but he didn't got it out of his feet. Smashed it, it looked amazing because it hit the bar and bombed back up. I had to be gone the ass a couple of years ago where you just smashed off the bar. That was a bit better. I liked the movement though and you're right to say that Seamus Cullman probably wouldn't have made that pass. He tends not to look inside on his run. He tends to always go on the outside. He underlaps when he hasn't got the ball but with the ball he never seems to put the ball inside. Yes and Steve did look up and I thought Tom's run was good. We've criticised during the pass for not making them runs. He got a good 3-4 yards of separation. He sent the backs peeled off the back post. That's what we need to see more often, get that space. You need to discuss it again later in the game as well. But now's a brilliant finish in exactly what he needed. Listen, he scored last time he played against Bournemouth and I was really surprised on Saturday that he didn't come on against Sheffield. Dave Ahead never knew he's our best header of the ball. Did he cross to me? Why would I have him in the team? It's strange, it's strange. But he did start last time. He took his first goal brilliantly. And then we've seen something from him that I don't think we've seen enough. And that is going through the middle of teams. We've got Fabian Delft plays a lovely switch play to Lluca Deane. It's cut out, doesn't it? He comes back into Bernard and he plays at I at the needle pass. Threads it through and it's a brilliant run by a Wobie in beyond the lines. And they can't track him because he's made that run. Rolls it across and Tom somewhere where he isn't often enough for me. Inside that six-yard box ready to put the ball on the net. Threads it home and it's a great striker's goal. That was a goal I love to see more often. You see Bernard pick the ball straight away, a Wobie's off. Runs across into the half space and the ball comes in, picks it up and then it was a beautiful way to ball by Bernard. And then I see him again, a Wobie clipped it over the two centre. It's just a little deaf ball. Tom on that slide. And we don't do that enough. If that was the Premier League, we'd be facing eight men behind the ball and it'd go out wide. That quick speed of thought, that quick movement, that pace of play we need to do that more often. Me and Ped spoke on a Tuesday topic about Tom Davis in particular and about one of the things which we think he brings to the team, which is that risky pass. The problem is with risky passes is probably a bit more than half the time you get cut out and then you get the ground. But to get people into those zones, you have to try to... I've seen a lot of Man City last night as well. That's some of the passes they make. We wouldn't attempt. No, it wouldn't. They are risky and half the time they don't work but they just go again, they get it and they try to thread it and they get people through. And that's exactly what we show with that second goal. The Premier League, you're right, we've stopped and gone, no, let's go wide. That's everything we set in front of us. If we do make more of those runs in the Premier League, one out of five passes will get through and then we're in and we can play teams. Keep probing, probing, probing. Teams will break, that's what we need to do. Exactly, but it was a great run, like you say, by Wobby and another assist. Dominic Halvert-Lewin, let's talk about it. In two goals, there's his numbers from last night. Seven touches inside. That's important there. The three on target there because usually it's one, two shots a game at best. Exactly. I know people go with the level of opposition but it doesn't matter, you need to score goals. At the end of the day, you need to put teams like that to the sword and he did that. He showed these better than that. Well, he's got four shots, a 50% strike rate, which is very good for a striker three on target. One, three aerial drills there. I mean, on Tom, he should have scored the header. He had an opportunity, one in particular. One was dead on there. It's all his own hunger up for him. It was a good save, but you'd back him to score and I think he'd be kicking himself to play. There's another back post where you think he was in two minds. He tried to head it back across the box. He's just buried in the bottom corner. It's got two goals. I don't mind the missed chances when we win the game and he scored a couple. But for him, it's a big thing, isn't it, because he's allowed to... It's his 20th Everton goal last night, 19 and 20 in 100 games. So it's not amazing, but I think he's only started, 56 of them, which, if you look at it like that, it's almost them numbers people would say, well, when he starts, he's almost a one in two striker. But how many times he starts as a striker as well, there's a lot of times he starts on the wings and right wing back, as we've all remembered. And as I said on Twitter last night before, it'd be interesting to see him down with a different type of service. How often does he get fed to his feet? How often do we see people getting in the box and cutting it back for him? It's very rare, isn't it? I think he'd work really well with Moise Keane, because I think his hold-up plays fantastic. I think he's great at little death flicks. And if you watch Keane for Yuvae last season, when he played up with Manzuchach, he was cushing and things down, so he scored a few goals like that, because I think Moise Keane, at the moment, he's trying to learn about the Premier League, he's trying to get up to speed, he wants to run with the ball, he doesn't necessarily want everything into his feet, where Don's comfortable receiving the ball when he's back to goal. That's the issue, I think, Mark, who's certainly been critical of it. I don't think that sometimes the system suits the players and the service to get the style of playing. I think it suits certain people, obviously helps Lucas Dean that he gets to cross the ball so much. But I'm sure he would take five or six less crosses for better looks in terms of your best positions to cross from, from deep all the time. So I think sometimes we could try and work through teams instead of just going wide. I think with Moise Keane and Don as well, I think people would like service to the feet. Moise Keane obviously wants a deep air, because he can run up and run at teams or get into his feet around the box, he can turn and move away. But Don, again, you saw last night, he can't just cross to him, he needs to be fed, and he will be obviously fed on the goal for that. We need more of that. I'd like to see him with a different type of service, and I think he will score more goals. I think he's ever going to be a 20-goal striker, I don't. But if he could score, he's nine off the bench this season. Listen, he's 22, he's developing all the time. Who knows what he can be? Who knows what he can be? Strikers get better and better through, if they work hard, they do. And I think Dominic Alverloon, you know, it's up to him now to get himself into those positions in and around the box, in the penalty area, in the six-yard box against Premier League teams. It's up to Everton and Marco Silva to find solutions to get him in the box to create chances inside the penalty area. I think he's been miscast. I don't think he's a particularly target. I think he's a complete forward, a all-round forward. I don't think he's a target. Sometimes I think we play to him like he's a target, man. I don't know if it worked at times last season, but I think he's been a typecaster or a miscaster in a wrong role. When he was coming through, when he went to the England's U teams, he said he was like, he would demand them to shed his sharing, and that shed his sharing was never a target, man. He went off into the space, held the ball up, and you cut through teams. I'm not saying he's that now, he isn't, but I think just try and give him a different type of service and not cross it to his head all the time. Try and get him to the ball, to his feet in the box and see what he can do. We trust on my field, there was a different make-up of it. Alex will be sent to something you want to see a little bit more of. I personally think when he plays on the left, he has to come inside all the time and it doesn't necessarily help Luke at Dean, and I think we don't stretch teams enough where I don't think Benard's not in the side. I think when Benard comes in, he does like to stress the team. We have a better combination, play down the left. And I hope he gives us a different solution in that middle of the park to run past people. We talked about the goal there, and for me, I just think when he's central, he's more creative, we get a little bit more from him. It's something I'd like to see, people last night were going, why isn't Benard playing 10? He's more of a 10 than a Wobie. Alex Wobie's played nearly four and a half thousand minutes as a 10. It's more than a season, Benard's played 151 minutes as a 10 as a career. So the man to play at the 10 is actually a Wobie rather than a Benard. I think he can play as an eight and a three as well, I've said before. The air that he picks up at the ball, the more he can drive at people, the more he can progress at the UK. It's a bit of space elsewhere, because the pressure will come, and then they'll move off a wide man, they'll move off on the centre forwards, and then you get one-on-ones and that. With Guilfy season, it's a different type of midfield, obviously it's a bit more cuter, but it wants to try and get space on the right pockets to cross the ball in. I just think a Wobie just creates a bit more panicking teams. I think it gives us a completely different option. I just think that it's time to try and give them the chance there. He's only going to get better playing more a couple of times, tried things and didn't come off. But I think if we're given time there to get used to playing with Bernard on the left and Richard, I think we'll have a good little combination there. I have Moise Keane in front of him as well. This is his numbers from last night, obviously 57 touches, about the assist, 39 successful passes, eight passes into the penalty area. I've also seen E13 tackles out of three, I think, or three out of four, so tackling 75% at least. You're looking at that passes into the penalty area, that's a good number. I like this number as well, because often times in the past, Gilffy Singsons especially been criticised for not getting involved. A lot of the time he'll have his 25, 30 passes. You want players who won't want the ball or town and we're still getting used to playing with the Wobie because he drops into space in between the lines and people are still going wide sometimes and we're not picking them out, but if we start picking them out, you'll turn and you'll have back four, back and off then. It creates space for us and I think it just gives us a different option. But there was a story from Greg today that Mark O'Sill can say as maybe a winger. Which is mad though, because when he come in, I mean it's just the rest of his numbers as well last night. Three chances created last night, he's created one percent. It's the successful tackles that only committed one foul for that position in the midfield. Mark O'Sill though when he come in said he sees him as a number 10. So that's why the thing from Greg, maybe they're looking to go more we can use him in that role as well. Obviously when Gabbaman is back. It's about mixing it up. We used to say that in field three shouldn't be Gabbaman, Gomez and Obie and the Delfts of the Seed. I give you the legs, yeah. Exactly, or then sometimes it's Gabbaman, Delfts and Obie, or it's Sigurdts and Rob, but now I can't play the 10th in my opinion because you can go both ways with the ball but these are good numbers for sure. Now listen, there'll be people watching there go Sheffield Wednesday and it wasn't even there. That's irrelevant because it's about players doing their job where you can only beat what's in front of you and it's about players doing their job. They're decent numbers for me and he's done enough last night in that position to warm playing him more often. It was a piece on the athletic as well by Michael Cox the other day when he was saying that teams often play on wire but actually what you want them to do when he wants to do is get the ball deeper and drive and create and I think that's what we need to do because there's a different number 10 than Gilfee Sigurdtson. This lad's numbers creatively last season he didn't play as many minutes as Sigurdtson, so it's fairly, fairly good. This is why I wanted to sign him this is why I was raving about him his ball progression his sort of vision they're all really good and he's never been allowed to play that position he was playing on the left again and I just think if we give him that licence to play in between the lines he'll create chances for our strikers and no one's really doing it when you look at the numbers he's keen, he's a couple of passes we need to feed the strikers more and this is the man to do it and we do have to mix things up when he used to say Gilfee won't get back in when he's had a blow on his back off there's certain games where you think we need to give him Sigurdtson in this game and Gilfee plays all right for Iceland obviously in certain games against Manchester I expect Gilfee to come back on the team because obviously defensively he's a bit more active than Alex O'Woby but going forward if we're playing those but again barely going in the lines is a much better option than Gilfee Sigurdtson for me anyway Got to half time assumed the luck could have been more Jephiel wedyn sydd had chances as well it was the set pieces again really Tom Davis on the back post missed completely let's all go past it same with Dom as well there are things that need to be showed up quickly because we don't want to get into a cycle of conceding on a goal from set pieces again again the only issue I had last night I don't really want to put a negative spin on our org because it isn't because we got through the tempo we stepped off the gas again the second half I was just going to come to that the second half was just very disjuncted it was slow again we seemed to come out the traps create a lot of chances with the good tempo and then it just dropped right off it and then the second half they had a bit of joy with set pieces they missed one really good opportunity but then so did we felly sy'n sydd ysgol byddai hefyd that was in the first half just before that time do you mean close second half do you mean close second half but we just didn't what I want to see and I think Dom actually in his after that interview alluded to this as well as that we need to keep that tempo going to put these teams to the show Graham Stewart was talking about it and said the disappointing thing is we dropped right off the tempo we're almost at walking pace at no good the top teams hitting you at the same pace put the game to bed now Manchester City against Preston they were prompting a problem Preston had the post and they had the odd chance but City were keeping the tempo and we have to get used to doing it in any game so that it's natural so that you never have that love in games you will have moments in games with the other team coming to it it's natural to game a football with two teams but I just think at times I just think we fall into like a false sense of security of this games easy, we did it Saturday he put me behind we were just stroking the ball round as if we would fall it'll come it'll come it'll come I bet you if they had scored last night the tempo would have went up through the same with the Lincoln game the Wolves game as soon as they got back into it we were going to win this now and we can't do that we can't be front runners we have to just go and kill teams off for me it's the midfield that needs to be driving it Fabian Delth coming from Man City this is not a criticism but he's the need or Gomez when he's back and they need to go let's get on the ball, let's keep the move that's the key area for me and that's why you've pointed out that has disappointed us this season in the midfield because it is the part of the pitch that needs to drive you too slow, when the tempo is slower it's easy to mark talk before Seamus Coleman was out the team he came in last night he played at Lincoln in the last round I thought he did okay, he had a deal in 15 minutes when he played at Lincoln but he got better and better I think last night was a much more complete performance from him we've seen the assist the infield pass was fantastic he almost got himself a goal as well defensively sometimes he's caught out but it's a trade off that for me because of what he offers going forward if you've got a fullback with a pass like that to go outside to put deliveries in to look to link the play a little bit more it gives you different options Seamus is a head down and run he's been great at it but I think sometimes you have to look for different things if that run isn't on then you need to be able to pass the ball through the thread of a needle and then you can run into the box and then Seamus can run beyond them sometimes when it gets to Seamus it's either cross it and he's not great at crossing, that's to be honest I think that's where Seadibi offers us a bit different he can cross, he can be a little bit cuter on the ball he can find the angles and the space for people to pass it to that's just the difference, yes defensively he isn't super I think he's now getting over that knee injury last year he was still lingering effects of his knee injury he's still had loads of assists he's played 27 years sometimes it takes time it took him a while to get over that knee injury he's a season off now he's got the experience there's numbers from last night 76 touches, one assist 47 successful passes 5 successful on those passes and I can see 85% that's not bad for the 76 touches that ain't bad and again it's different solutions it's different options this is a lot of experience 27s had a good age listen I'm not saying you throw Coleman out and that's it it's done but what this fella gives us is a different option to what Seamus gives us and I just wonder if this team needs that little bit of a different option at the moment because of the way we're playing I remember last season Seamus wasn't great then he spent some time out the team, John Joe played it he came back into the team and when he came back towards the end of the season he was back up to speed and he looked great again last season I was like yeah we need a new right back then I thought maybe he's got a year to the left because he came on that much in the second half of the season again started a bit slow again this season I think maybe Sadibi coming in should push him to be better I give Sadibi a chance I don't think Sadibi has a long term option I'm going to be honest I think we should look for someone younger someone who hasn't had as many injury problems but for this season he's certainly a good option if we do feel that for the next two seasons he could be someone 12 million the bike clauses so yeah he's a good player he was a couple of years ago Manchester United were looking to pay £55 million for him when he was a part of Monaco's title winning team he was superb in Mendy on the other side so he is a good player he's got a good pedigree and I think as you say offers us something different I'd give him a run of games I would play in the bottom half teams that we should be trying to break down play him if you want a bit of a premium league experience against Man City play Coleman courses for courses sometimes that difference is style of play that will add something different to us that creativity that we need I would go for the experience I would say in that why not go out and attack them if you look at Leon last season he gives City Hell knowledge as well just not going to attack them so maybe take the risk so if you get beat anyway try and beat them people take the game to Man City they usually have some luck with the build you've got to be sitting back against Man City out and they don't batter yet he's asking to be battered perhaps whole train at the sessions of him rounds breaking down those teams I actually think we'll play quite well Saturday because they don't give us loads the result reflects that we don't know I think if you can get worse key against Fernandine in the channels then you'll have some luck as Fernandine will you go for key and not Dom? I think Dom will play probably but I'll play key myself I think if we need a goal he's someone who can score out of nothing if you get three goals it depends on what they're looking to do they're looking to put the ball in space and I've tried to get Fernandine he's defending space for keen if you're looking to hold the ball up and bring runners in then Dom's your man it's going to be interesting one important thing from last night there's only 11 crosses 42 crosses at the weekend against Chef United only 11 last night I think we're looking to try and play through it Tom Davidson had his greatest key last night and I'll forgive him that because he really doesn't get games that often so it's very hard to come back and play at a certain level I thought he was okay he started a bit slow and I think it is fearlessness on the ball he doesn't make the best decisions at times the fact that he's always trying to push the ball forward and as you say, he does get in the box Fabian Delph, Snyrdd and Gomez they always sit on the final third line I'll call it and wait till the ball comes back out where he's trying to get in I mean I did look at the we did a track like 35, 36% down the wings but there was a lot more through the middle last night which has been an area which we both feel we need to exploit a little bit more but the most important thing about last night like we said right at the very start was to win win the game, get in the next round hopefully we'll get Crawley or Colchester at home in the next round and then that'll give you the opportunity to get into the quarter finals I mean it has cut that we don't do very well in notoriously I think the last time we made the fourth round was against Chelsea a couple of years ago so this is the first time in three seasons we made the fourth round so we've got to, you know, let's win the draw and we can build for that next one but we've won the game last night a way game as well which is always good to get a couple of wins away from home because we know our away form is so poor we have to improve that in the Premier League but made up for them please for the manager to get the result please for the team, now can we build on it Yeah if we got beat last night it would have been absolutely toxic so I think the win gets us to us it gets the fans it's not easy it hasn't cleared, no, but we'll do to the next round the cup that's the most important thing, let's be honest so let's take some solace in that Yeah definitely Big thanks to you Andy remember click the link if you want to subscribe to the athletic as well that's there as well subscribe to the channel if you haven't already give the video a thumbs up and if you want more videos join us over on Peter thanks for watching, see you later