 So where would you say that your world view has been updated in the last Six months. Oh, I mean, I think that's like I think that's always a hard question. I think I Can give you a couple of profound ones, but I want you to go first But like I mean, I think the biggest thing to me has been like and Maybe I'm still coming to realize exactly like understand what it means But like I think I think the lens and the perspective that I'm seeing things from Slowly evolving Yeah, like I'm seeing Sort of the machinations of society and Rather than as some big abstract machine like it's just people doing their thing and following patterns of incentives and Doing what makes them happy for better or worse following what they think makes them happy even if it doesn't and And I guess I Built a more profound understanding of how people who are collectively looking down at their feet and going this is what's rational can collectively be vastly irrational and Do terrible things like the global warming mess we find ourselves in But it's all just a chain of people behaving individually rationally Yeah, it's a good one the individual ways of Following some of society's Programming that have Causes to find ourselves in so much of the error situations that we're in now You're right. We're following a incentive structures that are That are misaligned with our collective interest. They're misaligned. They're misaligned with our Interconnectedness with nature and this is probably one of the ones that I think is most salient for me is that our Disconnection from nature is a is directly mirrored in the ailments that our civilization has So the more that a civilization disconnects from source From the planet that gives them nourishment the system that sustains them The more errors that you see in the society. It's extremely evident You listed one the way we're affecting our ecosystems like people People who don't see the big picture fail to understand deeply the implications of what they're doing Yeah, yeah And I mean so much of that like one of the big ideas in Business computer science like is abstraction Like I love abstraction. We just did an episode on abstraction yesterday. Oh On abstraction and creativity Yeah, with with Jeremy Nixon who's actually a machine learning researcher at Google brain It was a great episode Yeah, and he is on fire about abstraction temporal abstraction Just like normal abstraction transfer learning language Creativity we talked about so much good stuff in that session. I think abstraction in particular though can be very It can be very good, but very dangerous like if you I mean, I think the computer science example is like You are writing really high-level code that is very abstracted from what a processor is doing and then it breaks in some Incredibly subtle way and you're like what the heck why doesn't this work? And you have to maybe dig through layers and layers of stuff that you totally arcane And you don't understand what it means to realize like it's some quirk of the architecture that you're using Where if you start out with that understanding you can go. Oh, this is not obviously not a good thing But I think the same is true like ecology is a handy example where What really is good or bad for the planet is not Something you necessarily want to connect to like oh, yeah, I went shopping and I bought out of season fruit Like that's that's not a connection that just pops into people's brains Unless they really understand like the logistics system that goes into that Yeah, the reason why the abstraction of understanding the nature that sustains you is so important is because that is the source of all life and The lack of gratitude that we have to the source of all life to every Breath that we take It's every sip of water to every shower to every piece of food to the trees and the insects and the animals and the Ecosystems around us to the ocean that's right next to all these things that have birthed us in here To this driving life force is the greatest disconnection that we've ever made in our lives It's a fall from grace and that's why seven plus billion people are on the playground just playing in the amusement park and Not consciously connecting to nature to what sustains them That's been one of the most profound worldview updates that I've had thanks to the Colombian elder mama nuijuan. Thank you Thank you to that indigenous wisdom so so important that indigenous wisdom and The other really important worldview update I had was with with was with reading Juniors book interdependent capitalism, and I'll give you a copy of this on the way out One of the best books I've ever read in my life and It does an incredible synthesis at all the way back from the The Inclusive fitness that kin tribes have yeah, and how our family values just did not scale with time and so we find ourselves in this massive global village of Self-dealing stories used to be told in the tribe because I would tell you a story to help your fitness It was both in our best interest for me to tell you a true story that would help your fitness Now in today's culture people tell each other stories to sell them shit that they don't need and so you have you have you have You have politicians that are not aligned you have Doctors physicians that are not aligned you have teachers that are not aligned all our aligning systems are off We're obsessed with our nuclear families we're obsessed with our kids We're obsessed with our dogs and our cats and we don't know our neighbors and we don't find it to be like we need Inclusive stakeholders Silicon Valley did something right which was that they gave Shares to the employees that were building the companies great But that's only one step in the right direction The next step is all of the customers that literally call the uber on the phone Should also get very small percentages of ownership into the company. They're the ones that are driving the worth of that company and Then uber has found itself headquartered in downtown San Francisco for how many years? almost a decade or something and It's going to be approaching a decade soon and how much has uber Finds themselves in an inclusive stakeholder fashion with San Francisco not really at all Uber needs to be an inclusive stakeholder entity within the city of San Francisco They need to give back they need San Francisco to be a shareholder of uber These are some of the mechanisms of these of this universal basic asset movement of this inclusive Stakeholding movement this global Village of inclusive fitness movement that we need to move towards and they recommend a lot of really good solutions to the problem Like some things like blockchain technology enable us to have a decentralized digital ledger that shows how a teacher or a physician has an inclusive stake in their pupil and That the Psychological the psychology of terms like compersion like that Compersion means I feel joy when you feel joy vicariously through you. We need new words. We need neologisms for these things We need music that is not about money and women and materialistic possessions and drugs But we need music that is about interconnectedness So these two things together interdependent capitalism along with the indigenous wisdom Has been like one of the most profound worldview updates for me and it's added in added into my synthesis a lot Oh, I really like I see an idea in there like making the city Shareholder I think I think that speaks deeply to like the incentive structures of capitalism Like there's this idea that I've never been totally comfortable with in Like how publicly traded companies operate If you're a publicly traded company and somebody owns a share in you What obligation? Mm-hmm to make money Like Why that should be the exclusive Obligation to a shareholder like that I Feel like there's so much more Import that in itself is a corrupted first principle Money it's to make money. That's a corrupted first principle The first principle needs to be to provide value to others Value and not materialistic deceptive value, but value of Maximizing prosperity and our interconnectedness with nature. I mean look at all the people who go in and like leveraged by out Some company that's having trouble and just completely destroy it all of the value that it built up In order to make a quick buck themselves, let's go through a practice Nick Yeah, okay, so When we breathe when we do that What are we breathing in? Oxygen nitrogen what what are we sustained? What are we sustained by I? Mean the oxygen what produces what produces the air that's Plants mostly Phytoplankton, yeah plants too. Yeah, yeah, and yeah the the massive ecosystem of The water cycle and the cycle of air these cycles Directly give us the source of life Directly not indirectly, but directly give us the source of life Eating a plant directly gives us a source of life so how how Disconnected do you think we are from that I? Mean in the last hundred years it has grown at an extraordinary pace Like what else has grown at an extraordinary pace all everything all of the issues have grown at an extraordinary pace, too and when we do things like Take people out of poverty. We need to really look at things from a first principles perspective because Doing things like tying people into monetary systems For especially for people that are like indigenously tied to land and to the earth They don't want money They don't want To be part of the global economy But we insist for them to be a part of the global economy. No, no, you need electricity You need internet. You need computers. You need money. You need bank accounts. You need this We've been forcing that on to people around the world instead of querying how they actually exist How do you exist and connect to spirit? learning from people who are who live different lives We're so far up in our own asses here There was a person that we're gonna have on the show soon that made that they they took and They scraped by city people's Twitter profiles and made word clouds of the of what were the most common things in Silicon Valley, it's like product design Google Facebook blah blah in Other places in the United States, it's father wife child family. Love God Really like values It's a it's a different life And if you look at a word cloud of indigenous people, it's like spirit nature Source Love of things that are part of nature Yeah trees plants animals. Yeah fruits fruits Yeah, food water. Yeah. Yeah so we are you can take a word cloud of a area To capture the zeitgeist of their connection to spirit What are they talking about? What are they? I've been obsessing with this stuff We're so disconnected It's evident in our mental disorders. It's evident in the way that our social fabric is not inclusive There are promising technologies that were made like the internet There were supposed to do the absolute thing that they promised to do actually do the interconnectedness at the most pinnacle level and Social media Needs the upgrade to do to do to do exactly what it was promised to do Right now. It's so far deviated from that. We've given the space Nick this last hundred years that you mentioned Yeah The further that more and more of civilization has disconnected from nature The more there's been space for evil to come into that void So evil is filling the void of disconnection from nature and That evil are things like deception manipulation Disconnection so when someone that has a self-dealing interest is trying to sell memes of consumerism and people are disconnected from nature that evil is able to succumb and fill that Spirit the body the soul the vehicle the vessel I see what you're saying. I wouldn't I mean I Think the disconnection I Would think of it a lot in terms of like in group out group So why why do people behave the way they do so I think there's a lot of people who Really don't want to hurt anybody Like who I would call like Fundamentally good. They care about the people around them They don't want to intentionally hurt anybody, but I think there's a lot of apathy that's arisen from seeing an increasingly wide out group Who they're hearing scary things about and Social media has absolutely fed that I Don't I Wouldn't call that like any sort of intentional evil But it is a terrifying consequence of disconnection from each other like how many people did somebody in the 1880s 1890s Talk to you on an average day in person physically talk to How many people do you and I talked to I think there is a big disparity and I think that disconnection from each other Has done a lot of that and disconnection from what sustains us The thing that provided you and I and all of us with a life. We are disconnected from Provides We're disconnected from the provider providers and The deeper that disconnect has become The more errors we found in civilization The less of a disconnect there is when more and more people become consciously connected to nature what sustains them and through simple mechanisms like Being grateful for that even the breath Being grateful for the water that sustains you being grateful for the food that despite the fragility of life Here we are How many million generation We were given the most beautiful thing in the world, which is life. We were given life And we've disconnected ourselves so so so far away from the source of life so far away And that is what all these malevolence is Why they have occurred So I think that that unifying theory of what is going on around us is Become one of the most important for me to embed into the conversations that I have with these tech Science leaders that we have on the program And it's been so fascinating watching watching the reactions. It's been so fascinating The little tiny nudges that we can make to help each other connect more consciously to nature the More we will see the problems of society fade away over time The hungriest of those that are in power still clinging to megalomaniac clinging to corruption clinging to deception will be eradicated with more people consciously connecting They will literally see it as an evil thing that they do not want to partake in anymore But right now it's still propagating the meme of I get a Lambo I get a Rolex I get a house I get the things material material women drugs money. It's just ticking ticking all over the Instagram feeds That is the mat that is the vast majority of content is not conscious enlightened content and So the memes are propagating at rapid speeds and causing further disconnection the level of global Chaotic chaos that's occurring right now collective chaos Unprecedented the ecosystems are screaming at us. We don't even realize that when we do something like pollute that it affects everything else This is not a single I Consume a piece of plastic put it in the garbage and it's gone forever that gets buried in the landfill that gets Into the landfill and the ecosystems of our planet There's only a few orders of magnitude our universe will permit us to grow out so When we when we when we take something like The civilization growing by orders of magnitude it is One thing to have a spiritually connected Civilization to it the rock that nourishes it and then go all right. Let's see what we can make to explore the cosmos and Have a hundred billion people instead of ten billion people living here. It's a completely other thing to be Have seven plus billion people completely disconnected from nature and then have other Megalomaniacs that are playing with the toys of gods Trying to escape from the rock and go into the cosmos because this is a story that is cyclical It's happened before Those with power play with the toys of God disconnect from nature civilization collapses Those with power play with the toys of God Megalomaniacs Nature comes at you civilization collapses. It's a cycle. It's been happening. It's gonna happen again if we don't consciously connect Do you think? Do you think a civilization? Who is deeply connected to? Their planet would Rise up to explore the cosmos. Yes Absolutely, what is there? What is their motivation? exploration Also to be with other celestial bodies physically. It's exciting. It's exciting. It's if for example if if everyone on the planet was like the the Kogi tribe the one in Columbia 20,000 of them in the Santa Maria de Marta Andi and the Andes the northern part of the Andes. Okay, if everyone on the planet was like them Then I agree with you that there would be like The greatest stewardship and passion for for nature for where we come from And so it'd be like hmm Shall we really figure out how to leave this rock? Right, that's the question. So Younger brother, this is the narrative they have older brother is connected to nature connected to spirit Younger brother is Disconnected from nature and spirit younger brother is the one that does all of the creative technology all that stuff if Younger brother was more aware of nature and spirit. It would be more consciously making technology and creativity But right now it's doing this and that and this and that and this and that that it's overwhelming our civilization With disconnection from nature and it's caused the self-dealing Non-inclusive stakeholder. It's caused all of those issues So by we're by getting younger brother more connected to to nature and spirit We can have a younger brother that can still do things like make cool Cosmic voyages, okay That's fair. I was thinking Something about like It it's easy if you're really in harmony to be content and if you're content It's hard to summon motivation to change. I Think you do need a little bit of a balance there. I Think that younger brother older brother captures that Yeah, see in the yin and yang this has been for a long long time these this all but all part of one all Part of source all part of what has birthed us into the world the man and woman Again the younger brother older brother dynamic The good and evil when again when our spirit is not connected to nature We leave a void within us for deception for evil to come in We don't even consciously Realize the programming that we live in in culture. We have to step back step into spirit I'm a divine being that was given life on this rock, and I'm so blessed for it Drinking water eating food. I'm so blessed for the nourishment Doing that Physically being by the ocean being by the woods feeling trees feeling water feeling animals feeling those things at the deepest most visceral ways Solves all of the issues in civilization It's a first order first principal error that we're at everything else is a band-aid Everything else is a second-order third-order solution that is causing more issues. It's a hard solution to implement It's only as hard as our Repatterning our behaviors to go unconsciously connect to nature and then to help share that meme of how beautiful The experiences are with others and have others also Respect the sacred lands of our planet the sacred interconnectedness of everything This has been the world view update on yeah, what do you think about it? You've been giving me some but what do you think about? Yeah, I mean I I don't think I've really been hiding like I think I Think I've seen a lot of I I think the balance narrative has Something to it like I think there's a lot of ways to encapsulate that. Yeah like you could think of it as I I really don't like the good evil because I don't think either of them is bad I think the access of them is both bad Like I mean I think you could call it contentedness and discontentedness Like that that's kind of what fits naturally to me like you have If you're too discontent like life sucks You You end up spending 16-hour days working on something To make the world better and killing yourself over it. That's not good But if you're so content They are not willing to Step out and make things better Things never get better than they were and you're stacked like you need the desire to make things better but Like the contentedness to see all of the good that's already there. It's What is the idea I can't remember where it came from but the idea that a virtue lives between two vices Virtue is sort of the absence of access This all brings us to the relationship between the older brother and the younger brother I'm glad that I'm glad that you like that. I think there are different ways to talk about it But we're so severely disconnected from nature That we see all of the malevolences that are here right now So that is a first-order issue that needs to be addressed Yeah, and I think I Think the solution to it is pretty complex It's within us It's within all of us and the shelves people put up around them Don't make that easy to get to and the shells These barriers these shields that exist are only there because of our initial disconnection from nature the mamas these spiritual leaders They from zero to nine They're birthed into a cave The mom is there and other previous mamas are there with them and They work on their connection to earth for nine years in darkness And then they leave the cave and see the world for what it is Play that would be proud nine years of input of Connection to nature and nothing else That's why yeah, that's why That's why these mamas these indigenous leaders they Speak with the deepest sense of connection to spirit and nature that ever In my life heard deepest everyone else that talks is like talking from their heads Everyone else I've heard talk talks from their heads Some people especially some like spiritual women know how to like drop more into their hearts and their guts and their bodies like of course But mostly in the intellectualizing mentalizing Cognizing civilization most people are just stuck in their heads and These mamas these spiritual leaders. They're they're like in the interconnectedness of everything all the time Moment-to-moment. They're just in the interconnectedness of everything They really see the world differently. I highly recommend watching a Luna, which is a documentary about What they're trying to communicate to the world wake up younger brother? We need you to wake up now We need you to consciously connect to nature to remember where you came from and what sustains you you can still be creative But please wake up to that conscious connection in nature. I know my role now. I'm I'm learning my role much better now My my role is to help make sure that there's a playground in the future and one of the ways is through Connecting the indigenous wisdom of the planet with the science and technology leaders of the planet across Not just San Francisco in LA Silicon Valley in the media culture tech and media but also to New York and finance to London to Tel Aviv to China The world Middle East. Yeah, the world the world the world all these massive Economic centers of tech and business and science and finance etc. They need to consciously connect To nature in order for us to have a playground For our children and their children and moving forward This is one of the most pivotal moments in a civilization's trajectory when they finally have a population Explosion on their planet and an exponential technology Explosion on their planet and then then younger brother is so Disconnected from source of spirit. This is such a pivotal transitional moment. Can younger brother win the wisdom race? Can they wake up on time? Yeah That's the role Hopefully, hopefully that's what I can help with and wow. Yeah So this is one of the things, you know, you have these first robotics kids How connected are they to? Nature as they connect with robotics and programming How do you see the big picture? Their connection to nature and spirit at young ages will Permit into every other aspect of their lives everything their interpersonal relationships with each other with their families With their co-workers down the line With everything with the world around them on a moment-to-moment basis. It changes everything any sort of of Malevolent thing deception that they see in the world of potentially things that they can work on that are deceiving They will see that with greater vigilance if they connect more to nature It's another thing. There's like millions of these kids that are in robotics programs around the world It's so important for them to connect to nature Damn this 17 year old, which is mama's son Hanan. Yeah. Oh my gosh 17 year old's presence is insane Never seen such an awakened soul 17 so awakened for 17 just Such groundedness. It was so beautiful so beautiful Yeah, and just like so not deceived Whenever we feel like the connection of nature spirits gone. It means that we are being deceived That is source that is nature. That's what sustains us if we're not connected to what sustains us something is deceiving us We've made a void and deception has filled that void It's deception But deception like The social fabric is full of deception now. I think deception is more it's more a symptom than a cause Deception is a symptom of the first principle which is our disconnection from nature But calling it just like saying deception seeps in has this Adjentive it does sense there is There are people that they themselves are disconnected from nature to such a degree that they Make memes that then seep into other people's programming. I hesitate to call them like risk Responsible or malevolent for that it is what it is and Our responsibility is to connect ourselves consciously and then to help Yeah, I mean I think Like empathetically it's hard It's hard to call someone who's been sold a story That the world is a certain way and you should have a certain goal and here's things that aren't so Anything but a victim Just a different kind of victim If we're born into connection to nature There's no way to be deceived When we're consciously connecting every moment to nature, there's no way to be deceived That's the true essence That's What sustains us so Anyway, this has been yeah, this has been this has been good Nick I'm glad that we got to to do some conversation. Let's go to the the QRI Let's go. Yeah, let's go quality research institute has an event that's happening on art and consciousness Looking forward to attending that with you. All right, let's do it. Good job, Nick