 Okay, so I believe I am live. Hey guys, this is Dr. Nian Sidi, if you can see me live on both YouTube and LinkedIn, please comment on the chat and introduce your name, where you from and when was the last time you had a workout. And of course, putting any questions regarding prime management or recent layoffs. And so, let's play one minutes countdown music and we'll get started. Today, we'll be talking about resume workshop. And let me view the countdown right now. All right, so let's get started. Looks like we just finished our countdown timer. Awesome, awesome. Hey, welcome guys. Let's see who's here with us. Please comment on the chat. My name where you from and what you go for 2022 and what was the last time you had a workout. Okay, so let's see. Let me double check. I have my chat open. Awesome. Okay, so let's do a quick introduction. Hey guys, my name is Dr. Nancy Lee, and I am a direct product and featured in force. I have 100 people then the dream PM job offer in fan companies and unicorn startup and continue to get promoted as a product product leader. And today we are going to focus on resume workshop. Lots of you guys were wondering, hey, I've been applying for jobs online for thousands of jobs. But I was never invited for an interview. There must be something wrong with your resume. That's why we're having those live resume workshop. Let's see somebody who already submitted questions regarding resumes going to answer the questions ahead of time. And for people who are here with us live please comment on the chat regarding your specific questions of resumes and your questions regarding employment management career in general we're here to help you out. And also for anyone who's interested in PM exciter, which is a coaching program we run. We're we specialize in helping people land the dream PM job offer in 90 days, you can go to our website darkness.com to learn more so on our website to go to our main homepage and click the link. I will take you to our master class and actually tonight we have another live master class where I'm going to share with you was the best practices for you to continue to gain your product management experience and especially during layoffs, and also during freeze and what's the most efficient way for you to quickly like regain your capabilities, then your dream PM job. Awesome. And cool. Alright, so now let's get started. I have some and slides prepared for you guys. And let me share my screen. If you're here with us live, feel free to comment on the chat and say hi. And let me know when was the last time you had to work out and specifically today we'll talk about resume. What I suggest everybody is that if you already have your resume ready. Feel free to copy pay some session of your resume you can remove your employer information but you can just copy paste the description, the title of yours, some session of your resume and copy paste into the chat so that I can review it and give you a live feedback regarding how you're able to improve your resume and also tell you why why on earth you're not able to pass the interview so something must be wrong with your resume or your networking strategy so we never know until I take a look. Awesome. So what we are going to do is let's talk about resume today. And first of all, I do want to share some inspiring story with all of you guys which is I was doing jail and actually this Monday we published a video of me interviewing gel on my YouTube channel. Okay, so the story is about her being a Wall Street trader so she basically trade derivatives and traditional financial product on Wall Street. But she really didn't like what she did she had been working for Morgan Stanley for seven years so right now it's time to really do something different she did lots of soul searching. And eventually she decided to become part manager and also became a part manager Falcon X as a senior part manager and she's actually getting paid higher than think part managers. So she did within three months. And lots of people asked her, well, did you get a paid cut, because you are not trader anymore actually her salary is actually higher, her salary is higher than a Wall Street trader. Okay, so now let me show you how she made it happen. I want all of you guys to use very similar strategies to achieve your goal as well. Now for jail. And number one is that she started to identify her transfer skills as a trader and besides doing the trading. She also provided lots of ideas, lots of feedback to engineering team to build a better trading product. So she was able to identify her like transferable skills and number two what she did was that she actually leaves the focus on the niche down into crypto industry because it's high tech and it's also fintech. And because there's so much technology involved and there's a lot of new learning opportunities for her and for a team to continue to grow into this new space. So, compared with traditional banking such as like Bank America checking accounts those kind of like traditional fintech companies and in crypto industry, the technology to use is much more advanced it also really appreciates her unique background being able to add value starting from day one because she had experienced knowing what's the best way to build trading product and she was able to put in her into her product portfolio. I know this kind of trading product that kind of trading product so therefore when she joined Falcon X, which is also crypto trading company, and she was able to quickly transition into product management within three months. Okay, so I want all of you guys to really use this as inspiration to use very similar strategy to land your dream PM job and also do not just like the other people decide what you can or cannot do because everyone will say said to Joseph you know what your investment banker sounds like so difficult for you to become part manager and of course it's likely you will get paid less but in contrast she broke through all the challenges in terms of not only become a part manager and transitioning from an investment banker, but also continue to even get higher pay compared with a trader on Wall Street. I want all of you guys really listen to your own heart if you're determined to get into next level is important to follow through and push really hard. Now let's do this and also whoever is currently having interview coming up. Yesterday in our masterclass webinar, and people talk about they have an interview with Google today, which is like next day it's crazy. So the best way for you to get ready for your upcoming Google interview is actually go to this website .com slash 50 fan to download your 50 fan company interview database and use those real life interview questions on banks or you're able to directly quickly apply the same strategies and get ready for your upcoming interview at fan companies. Awesome. So go to this website documents.com slash 50 fan to get started. Oops. Okay, so now for anybody who want live resume review or live mock interview with me you can directly go to this website documents.com. And again, it's an email to PM and team a team at PM exerted IO. And also in the description of this YouTube video you should see a Google form for you to submit your questions and request to join me for free. Okay, so go to this link in the description of video you'll be able to get lots of free resources. And who is here to get selected for free coaching we prefer people who actually support the nonprofit I support so every year. In the past three years we do one one donation matches up to $20,000. So which means that you donate $1 donate more than $1 up to $20,000. So whoever support nonprofit. You will be able to receive free coaching from me and also whoever have the most likes comment and shares are able to receive free coaching as well. And now, for anybody who is interested in PM and Saturday I suggest everybody to go to this website documents. You can go to this website documents.com slash masterclass to learn more about our services and stay until the end of the free masterclass with tissue was inside of the PM and Saturday with our program or what packages and most suitable for you, and for everybody who is recently laid off and actually working hard at the masterclass. We got lots of people who recently laid off. That's crazy. Seriously, like so many boys I was laid off was laid off so if you were laid off, you really need to immediately use a new strategy which is what we taught you inside of the free masterclass is totally for free. So you can use the same strategy will recover their how to land and keep your dream parliament job during a hybrid freeze. Okay, so you the new strategies for you to quickly land your dream PM job offer and especially for those who currently lose the job so the market become tougher and tougher. I want all of you guys to be prepared for your next career journey. Okay, so when you do this now. The hard part is, if you are interesting, join any free groups so it's very critical for you to find those mock interview partners, so that you'll have more confidence and less stress when you walk into any new interviews. So you can go to the three groups we check group and LinkedIn group rejoin those groups for free to find your mark interview partners right away. Let's talk about the resume tips and I have a free training and on my YouTube channel and at here we give you the most important tips for you to write a resume and that's very critical for you to land more interviews coming up. So now, let me have quickly see what questions people have posted regarding resume. Let me do this. Let me see one sec. So let me go here before we dive into the details of resume is everybody here. I think my one sec. Let me go to China see my computer. If you can see me live comment on the chat and say hi. And then we know if the technology is working. Awesome. Okay, so let's do this. Let's continue to talk about resume. And now, and let me give you a quick overview. So regarding your resume. Number one thing is, when you get ready for your PM resume is very critical, you need to cut out your achievement and rose responsibilities. The way I write my resume which you can go to our website to download our resume template which is going to show you later on that you should be able to go to the place with all the examples of resume template, and you can see my template which is any years of experience instead of just talking about what you did is important to split your achievement, and also your roles and responsibilities, so that people know in your roles how much is relevant for management. And in your specific, like work, how much did you appreciate, distinguish yourself from your peers, because everyone else probably doing something very similar in your past job, why you are a better candidate and better candidate compared with other people that's where the emphasis and achievement is coming in. Okay, so I want all of you guys to start thinking about this and for people who actually join us, feel free to just copy a session of your resume, put it in the chat, and I can tell you how to improve as well. Now let me bring up those resume template. So this is the key to put a measure resume template which have been used by 7000 product manager you can go to this website to download my template, and at the same time let me give you an overview regarding how to plug in and play our template so let me pull up the template right now. Okay, let me share my screen. Okay, so this is our PMS editor PM template, and you can you can go to this website, and to download the same template yourself as well. Now let me quickly scroll down to one important session of your resume. For example, your experience session, you can talk about your specific job title and at here is important to identify your, like, transfer skills in a past job, maybe your title is a software engineer actually we have students with software engineer became senior manager, maybe your title is investment banker just like Joe she was actually trader, she became part manager as well. So therefore your title need to be showing how much your past experience that you have done is relevant for the management of your internal title and external title. That's relevant for the management. Okay, and then the key part is your achievement and responsibilities. Okay, so your responsibility should be the action plus your PMT words for example Joe product roadmap developed product MVP which is a minimum viable product of ABCD product such as smart cities product develop the MVP of smart cities product to help reduce car crashes and plus an impact you have, which was deployed by 20 different cities. Right, so that's your roles and responsibilities. And now your achievement is more about for example my my smart cities product I will talk about the impact was, I led a team of 30 engineer to launch the first smart city product in the US which was quickly adopted by like 10 cities within six months. So this was talking about the fast adoption of the product and also talk about is the first time people have been using this machine region system to help help help cities reduce car flashes. So those are examples of different kind of impact you had. Okay, so you should do something similar and use this template which we have more examples here that you're able to use to quickly practice your PM resume as well. Okay, so let me see. Yes, you can put your resume here just directly copy paste in the chat and I can give you live resume review. You can directly join our zoom call and by email team and PM, etc.io, and we will show you what you can just join me like I can review you on zoom call as well. And cool. Let me share so Chris when you copy paste your resume let me do this. Let me compete continue sharing. By the way, for people who are interested in PM, etc.io here is going to do so you can click the link and go to our master class. Okay, our website has the same thing. Okay, which is you go to our website and then click send out our next free master class here. Here we teach you how to learn how to land and keep your dream plan in a job during a hybrid freeze. Okay, you can select the specific time that works for you and actually tonight we have one more free master class. We hope to open more time to make sure everyone is able to join us. Okay, so go to this website and learn more. Now, let's do the quick resume review. Let me put it here. Chris, when you're preparing your questions. Let me answer other questions ahead of time so my poor son. You say you have questions regarding resume review 30 seconds at a bit of patient interview. Interesting, but I didn't see you join us live. If you are here, my team should already send you the link to join my zoom meeting. Okay, so which is not your full questions. Okay, so the pool so put your questions more straightforward. Okay, so I know how to help you out. And where the questions coming from in the description of this video there's a Google form for you guys to submit your questions and also to request join me live to review your resume for free. Okay, so this one is to general so let me go through something specific. So, just said, I'm aiming for junior positions in PM but unable to get into please throw some life with junior people are trying to get into PM. Okay, great. So, if you're trying to get into junior PM position the most important thing for you to do is immediately learn management skills and identify how much your past experience is relevant for management to be also very frank with you guys. And also we guys have done lots of management work but he didn't know, and then use the right methodology for example, very interesting I have a student right now she's doing like sales. And then she was Oh, after she learned what does partner manager do, and what the day to day look like health right requirement and all of a sudden he said, Oh, now I know why. She was actually doing the PM job the whole time she was I'm doing, I'm working with sales marketing team and helping them to understand what the value proposition of customers and also have new product feature ideas, working on landing pages. Basically, she was acting as a partner manager function, the whole time. So if you're looking for entry level PM position you probably do not have prior PM experience. So one thing for you to do is start to learn management, a knowledge and then identify how much your past experience is relevant to put a management and identify these transfer skills that you're able to talk about you're able to sell yourself on your resumes and interview. Okay, so number two is that you need to immediately create a product portfolio. Number one is very critical where you're able to show them that hey, I already have past management experience so this is the experience I've gained. Okay, so especially for entry level position. Thousands of people will apply for the same job openings because most of you guys do not have work experience. So in order to stand out what you can do is, you can create a product portfolio to demonstrate how much a past experience relevant to product management. And you should also do some side project and put those inside a portfolio and tell them that so here is how I already gained product management experience with different kind of screenshots different examples such as like customer persona customer interviews you have conducted in the past. Once you put those together is very likely you're able to get an interview because you already demonstrate your prior experience and the immediate stand out from other competitors in the job market right now. And of course, number three you really need to have key to put a manager resume so your resume is going to stand out compare your competition. So I want everybody to immediately go to like actually the website where I show you the template and use our template craft your resume. And let me also give you the keywords you should use right so this is sharing the same right now. So go to this website pmsculture.io. And the website is here. You can see the com slash PM resume and you can own our website we also have our right here on our website we also have the download for you right here so the same link for you to download your PM resume okay so that's very critical you need to immediately do this right away. Very, very, very critical. And then, once you click this and that's how you download it and then you should go to those YouTube channel where teach you all the keywords you need to use on your resume. So let me come here. So resume right here. So important keywords for your resume so please make sure you apply all the keywords for your upcoming resume you're going to write. So go to this training to watch both video permission resume tips with no experience and also the keywords for your resume should put on your resume okay so together you're going to craft your perfect resume that you can use to immediately land model and true level PM positions. Okay, so now let me answer the next question. Now let me also before we do this and stop sharing quickly. See. So, Chris said you have your post here on chat can you see on the chat no I cannot. Are you sure you post on the chat I don't think you can see it. We cannot see it. Can you see it yourself. No, or you can directly email me why don't you know me you are. resume Nancy adopters lead calm. Okay, and I can quickly put it up and let you know what can be improved in me this way. Okay, so let's do this. Yeah, I can email me directly I don't see the chat. Okay, so now let me continue to answer those questions pre submit questions. So, but be have saying, transitioning to PM from a DSES background data science computer science background and associate level, looking for help in job search PM roles in recent market. Okay, so, specifically, if you are transitioning into PM from DSES background. First of all, congratulations, we do have some good opportunities because in the past, to be frank, all students with data science background, they lend the offer as a part of manager much faster than other people somehow. It's just faster because as a data science background they know technology and they also know the business insight because after you process data is likely you know how to interpret those data for your employer or your other teams to understand the impact you have made through the data so you have both engineering and business insight as a data science back. Actually, so you have a huge competitive vantage, and if a computer science backgrounds are still like good to show to show off others you actually know different kinds of like agile methodology because usually as engineers they know the agile very well and as a partner manager is like one of the key skills for you to learn is agile methodology. So once you have both and actually you can definitely transition into management. Much, much better and much easier. Okay, now so let me do this and questions, where's the question here. So, and your question is more about looking for help in job search for PM role in the in the current market. Now here is what you need to do. And you should immediately start to learn management knowledge. So we have lots of free training on our YouTube channel you can totally go there just let me show you right now all the free resources. Okay, so come here. Go to our YouTube channel to learn those for management knowledge. So we have lots of training regarding how to become a manager with no experience how to become a senior manager. So in those training for example the differences between management. What the roles and responsibilities, what the differences for a manager for our owner, and all those videos are must watch and also what does permission do in Google. Meta and those different kind of big tech companies skills you need to become a PM. So all of those are very critical for you to watch, immediately to gain the experience. Okay, and now if you need help to quickly transition into management here is what we can do. You can go to our website and with documents free website with our website. So go to our website documents.com. And then go to our free muscle class. So we have a coaching program called PM access a pro and inside a PM a pro. And the program design help you to land a dream for a manager job. So in order to do this step number one to enroll our program is learn about different strategies our teaching methodology and also give you the most important tips you can apply right away after attending our muscle class especially doing this layoffs and hiring freeze environment so which means that you go here and register this for free. And then after you register for the free muscle class you will be able to follow the instructions right here which is submit application to talk to our head a mission. Okay, so once you talk to our head mission will tell you exactly what you can do to become a part manager. Okay, so and that's working what you need to do right way. Cool. Alright, so that's very straightforward for all of you guys. And yes and number one is 10 hours class where we teach you how we can improve. Okay, so let me let me go back to the questions here. Joanne how to land a more senior PM job more efficiently. Very good question for more senior PM job. Now let's go back to resume immediately. If let me see the for senior PM job your resume need to do this do the following. Okay, so your resume need to show up more your treatment. If you're landing senior PM position is important to show them that you already have years of experience you also have huge impact and made for the business. And for example, the first product I launched receives the mayor's best practice award, and the product also later on leading to another 200, 200 million dollars sells which is PPP package with so it's a package together with my product as a people's product. So to see the offset parental and it's a public news and all those information can be put on your resume that actually qualifies me to become a senior part manager and also quickly promote to become a director product later on. So if you want to get ready for a senior PM position. So it's very critical you come here to like rewrite your resume immediately. Okay, and now actually your next question it was like, how many more senior or job more efficiently so time actually time is money, I personally believe that. So the best way for you to quickly learn your senior PM position is number one you have your PM killer PM a resume ready and today you should see lots of like PM resume template I just showed you and also in the description of the video we should also have a link that can download our PM resume template right away. And number two is that after you have your resume ready for senior PM position so it's important to start networking. Because for a very senior position people prefer to hire people already have experience people also prefer to hire people who can show the proven track record. The best way for you to demonstrate your proven track record is you directly reach out use networking methodology to ping the heavy manager and also your friends can refer you to a much senior position in the company and your friend in the company can also tell you the interview process. What kind of things you should expect what kind of culture what kind of organizational structure, you should pay close close attention to. And it's going to change dramatically how fast you're able to plan your dream PM job offer at the senior PM. Okay, so inside PM, etc. We have lots of people also land like director positions and senior PM positions you can go to our website documents.com slash masterclass and learn more about our services. Okay. Now, let me do this. So next question. Our kids said how to get us based remote position manager, which are best. What best side do you do that what does skills need to do that where do I start. Okay, so our kid, I assume the reason you ask this question is that currently you're not based in the US. So, the best side for you to get started is indeed and actually you can go to indeed and search remote like pre manager remote position there's so many of those out there. Now the second thing you can do is that you should actually directly use networking strategy. Okay, so actually we have like we have students crazy so our student, like, Adam, he was able to land a three formula offers which including Microsoft, Amazon and also Tesla in the US and all those companies sponsored his great, like a tram beat work in the US. And so, the way we, you did that is that he actually use lots of networking strategies instead of just hey let me just apply for jobs online. The best way is actually directly to like use networking methodology use referral methodology have friends refer you into the new companies. So, or directly pitch yourself to the heavy managers, those is going to increase your success rate in significantly. And then as long as you pass into you and as long as the company see your value and then in the past they have like hired or promoted someone who's outside of US. And they are more than happy to offer you those remote PN positions and were actually sponsored to work in the US because currency the the pandemic really shift how companies work lots of people employees do not want to go back to the office. So if you use those hybrid opportunities. You should definitely leverage this like new remote positions coming up. And, yeah, and actually one of Adam's offers also remote PN positions, or he completely remote PN position based in the US on the house got those remote PN positions is really use a referral network inside of PM excelsior alumni network. So we already passed his resume to the hiring manager and he directly just quickly pass interview. Okay, so what skills are needed to land US based remote PN positions. And now, on Monday talk about six different kind of unique skills for product managers so now let me quickly give you an overview. Okay, so in order to be qualified for remote PN positions first of all you master the PM skills and then you also need to understand how exactly land opportunities okay for PM skills you really need to know what's the best way to lead with authorities number one and number two. How would you be able to use agile methodology and number three how to be able to like directly to communicate very efficiently and number three, number four, communicate your product vision, and number five, and being able to have customer empathy and number six is communication skills which is also stories storytelling skills and public speaking skills those are important communication skills you need to learn and master. Okay, so that's in general what you need to do what you need to learn to become a manager now how to qualify for remote us positions is that on top of that you also need to demonstrate your knowledge knowing how us big tech companies build product because the best methodology we build it is different from like other countries we use the best and cutting edge technology out there. So I want you to continue to learn the best methodology how us companies do that and actually inside pms editor we teach you how to do it and on our website. You can gain lots of free resources over there as well. Okay, cool now. So best of luck and keep me posted. How's your interview process. And for sure, there are lots of opportunities like this, while also not students crazy. She are not students hours, she lives in Thailand. It's crazy so she lives in Thailand, the whole time, and she lend a remote CMO position in the US so she's also part of pms editor we run inside remote pms position in the US. How she did it is still using the referral network networking strategy and it's the same type of strategy for her to make it happen. Okay, so the proven strategy I want all of you guys to use the same strategy as well so basically right now it's like getting paid extremely well by leaving in it's like, it's crazy it's like living like a king, a queen in Thailand as it feels like you're making like $2 million in Thailand for the amount of money she was getting paid for the US salary it's like, it's crazy. One sec, one sec, let me see. Chris have you sent me your resume. Awesome. Okay, so Chris, let me see your resume. Chris, I'm going to block out the top of your resume so that people don't see your contact information but I am going into review the description of your resume. So let me do this. Let me share my screen on a different channel. So send Chris I saw it. Okay, great, cool. Let's review Chris resume quickly. How to share my screen. Okay, so on your resume you say you work for New Zealand community manager you create a campaign. Um, quick campaign for market launch road articles for crypto markets. Um, Chris, actually you have lots of relevant experience. The biggest problem for your resume is that you didn't talk about how much is relevant for management. Right. For example, you manage discourse so many users. Did you collect the user feedback. Once you collect the user feedback. Did you report this to your team to to propose new features. So those are very important PM related tasks. You should have them as a community manager. So if you don't die should write it in a new way which is for example, like contact with the custom interview of discord channel that has 27,000 users to understand the content and then provide the the feature proposed based on customers feedback and pain points and communicate with engineering team to help them quickly deploy and address pain point for customers. Things like that. Right. So the better way to write it is what I just described earlier. Now, if you are community manager this also right here. It's a credit campaign for ABCD market. Okay, so for example here pretty campaign is not a PM keywords and PM keywords would like to talk about GTM. Go to market strategies credit go to market strategies for ABCD product for example sounds like is whatever you didn't even talk about what kind of product you create campaign for so you change it immediately. Right. Completely completely change it. Okay, so change to make it like completely the GTM go to market strategy for ABCD product that leading to $1.2 million in trading volume. Yeah, yeah, so the impact was good, but you need to rewrite how you describe it and this goes to your roles and responsibilities. Okay, road and double educational videos, thousands of views okay for example we talked about created and double those views so we should talk about how you do it. Right. So for example, you can talk about conducted competitive analysis market research on ABCD type of user behavior so that you can create certain kind of impact to the users, because how to create the better experience for users is something part of managers talking about so you're actually in the process of doubling your views that have much you must have done something great in order to double your views. So how you interact with the users is part of the process so you should write it from a very different angle in terms users so you have lots of good content. You just didn't really tap into the true power you have done. Okay, and also clearly Chris you work globally. That's very cool actually work globally that's amazing. In Web3 we have lots of students also join Web3 and several students actually currently working for Binance right now it's very, very exciting, super, super exciting. Cool. All right, let me start sharing Chris does this make sense if any other questions feel free to comment on the chat. Well now let me continue sharing other questions. So how to enroll your PMA Pro program okay so PMA Center Pro program you go to this website and click here right here so go to docenancy.com slash masterclass where you directly just go to my homepage docenancy.com there's a link to go to masterclass and always teach you how to land and keep your dream program job during hiring freeze. So attend this free masterclass so that you can immediately improve your resume and know the best networking strategies to pitch yourself to the hiring manager and have your 30 seconds to elevate a pitch ready. And then towards the end of the masterclass. I'm going to tell you different kind of packages who inside a master inside a PMA Center Pro, what kind of like people do we select to join the program. Okay, should go there and learn more. Okay, and join me live tonight we have a live masterclass tonight. Next question. Okay, so Jen have another question how to join PMA leader. Yes, PMA leader is designed for people after the land and job they want to get promoted as a leader, okay this PMA leaders we come here to learn more. Okay, so go to docenancy.com slash leader, you're able to learn more and in our homepage is also become a senior PM, and you click those and go to this places to learn more about how to become a leader. Cool. Now, right here. All right, so quick announcement and actually our student Adam is going to give alumni panel about how he landed 6pm offers in the US as Canadian citizen and currently he already received the Microsoft and also Amazon and also Tesla offers and then also like six offers in total. And some of those offers are remote PM offers as well. Okay, so if you're interested in PMA surgery you should join me tonight so that you will not miss next Thursday's alumni panel. Okay, cool so that yet the alumni panel is next Thursday night PM EST. Now, let me do this let me stop sharing let me also bring up more questions in the chat. The hill said, hey Nancy I'm a college student. And last year. What is your recommendation to putting a resume to have a stand out to PM recruiters. Okay, great. So, to make it stand out on your resume is that in your college experience, did you actually work on some project that's relevant for management could be your launch a product you have a health like companies to grow the users that's a GTM strategy you could also be something you help others, such as for your project you work with a team of students create some side project, and those are going to make you stand out or you receive any kind of support that's also going to make you stand out on your resume as well and here things for college students you probably have very limited experience. However, the biggest problem is not your experience the biggest problem is people do not gain experience. Do not talk about the past experience maybe already have experience I have a student she is a only internship experience is interpreter. She was doing translation. She was doing translation for other people. That's the only thing she did. Okay, but when we talk about translation. And she was able to talk about she was able to help customers user feedback and create an end to an experience for customers. And all of those are very relevant for your. Her experience that's why she learned a PM role was in my god, a two month. Okay, so you should use the same type of strategies, immediately. All right, Chris, thanks for valuable tips, my pleasure, my pleasure best of luck Chris let us know. What happened as the end and and what companies you end up joining and if you're interested in chemistry go to this website and learn more okay. I'm great cool. Yes, I help you to speed up. So lots of APM offers was send off with them the big tech companies APM offers out already now small, small meeting companies, they still offers, or opportunities available I reach one I really want you to speed up the process. Okay, so do not miss the opportunities and we will soon entering like holiday seasons will be very, very little opportunities left so you need to speed up your process you needed to have your resume ready. Okay. And, and all right, so we have a live master class night for anybody who's interested in PMA center go to this website documents.com and register for our live master class. And, and also best of for people who already review resume, and knowing what's best thing to put on resume right away. So best of luck and this is Dr Nancy Lee I'm going to see you live in our master class and also cannot wait to celebrate with all of you guys to make sure you comment on my video or email me directly regarding a latest progress and love to celebrate with all of you guys together. Awesome. So this is Dr Nancy and we'll see you next time.