 Make sure you can't stop it. So you should probably call the meeting to order and then make sure you say there's not a quorum. There'll be no official votes taking and so forth just at the beginning. Right. So do we want to do this that we start recording. It's already started. Okay. Going back now. All right. Yeah, the recording. It doesn't really matter. That's just stores on my end. So it doesn't become public until I submit it. So that's for, yeah, that's just for my record keeping. Okay. Okay. So we don't have to call it. We don't call a meeting to order. We do. Sorry. We do. Okay. So we'll do this. We have to do the thing then pursuing this chapter 20, the acts of 2021 this meeting will be conduct in person via remote means and accordance to applicable law. This means that members of the public as as well as of the public body and members of the public may access meeting in person or via virtual means and attendance in person attendance will be at the meeting location. There's no in person attendance. Sorry, I was reading the wrong thing. This meeting will be conducted via remote means members of public who wish to access meeting may do so by following the link on the Amherst.gov website. The in person attendance of the members of the public will be permitted, but every effort will be made to ensure that public can adequately access the proceedings in real time by a technical technical means in the event that we are unable to do so for reasons of economic hardship and despite that efforts, we will post on it. So we have a lot of website are recording and transcripts of this meeting. Okay, so this meeting is now, you know, called to order. Great. And then can you let even if I guess Eve just came. Oh yeah. Okay, sorry. Let's see. I'm a cohost too. So maybe I can leave. Here, I'll just do it. I did it. Okay, great. Thanks. Any announcements first. Well, do you want to say there's no quorum and that Quorum so there will be no voting on any anything that occurs this evening we will however discuss some important things so hence on the record. Are there any announcements. So, but I haven't one announcement or two. So one is that I wasn't touched with Holden and he said he wasn't available today. So we have heard. I did hear from Darcy Demont that there have been two people who applied to be on tech. Great. So that's good. I don't know. Maybe the name. So Holden was one I guess and then there's somebody else I don't know the other person. But it seems like we do have the two vacancies now officially so Aaron was officially taken off the committee. But maybe they're waiting for a few more people like before they go through the process of interviewing and so on. So I'm going to try to do some outreach to try to inspire some people to apply but their number of committee vacancies right now. Oh, the other news is that I'm Darcy Demont who has been a big part of the TSO and has also been our council liaison is that she for family reasons she is no longer the chair of the TSO she stepped down. And I imagine she'll be missing some TSO meetings and maybe some council meetings so I also expect that she won't be that available to be our liaison so the council president. Then Grace Mer has asked that she be she seed on correspondence with the tech. Do we know who hopefully I mean if Darcy is officially no longer at least I hope that they will point somebody else. Yeah, and I've been on my morning bike rides which is all over the town of Amherst early in the morning. I've been. You could say assaulting or you know kindly asking other cyclists that they'd be interested in joining. But I did meet somebody who I've seen a lot on the road. You know I just want other people who are familiar with the roads and the, you know I see out and about. And so a younger person a grad student at UMass. Nice. So, yeah, I mean, I reached out to the transportation grad students at UMass. I work with some of them, and I mean a lot of them don't actually live in Amherst unfortunately because Amherst is so expensive so they live in like Sunderland and Belcher town and other things. And I know that it was circulated to faculty to faculty would be good they tend to be super busy. Whatever. Can you get them to, like, do they have to do customer service, community service is part of any of that degree activity. Maybe, could they get some of that for being part of our group. Well, and actually a UMass, a union person had told me that you get, like if you have a like hourly job at UMass that you can get credit for serving like doing community service and serving. However, you volunteer that you actually should be allowed to get paid based on the contracts with the union get paid for a certain number of hours per month that you're volunteering, as long as the supervisor agrees. So that doesn't really apply to faculty but that does apply to staff. Yeah, right, right, right. And so are there any other announcements. And Eve is the public who's here tonight if she has any comments, an agenda item of public comments. She stepped away. Yep. And we did get a copy of the minutes. Did we I didn't I didn't see any minutes from the last meeting. It doesn't matter we come. We can't take any action. That's right. So that doesn't matter. Okay, so that's right. Thank you. So the next thing on the next agenda item is to review. The North Pleasant Street, Pallock Triangle Street projects. And maybe I just, I just had a quick question, Kim. So you were talking about this before. I was getting on, right? So as Amber had said, like Guilford is not available on the 19th. So we were trying to see if we had a quorum to meet on the 12th, but you're not available. I can be here. Oh, oh, you can. Yes, it was virtual and I think I get an internet connection. It's an excuse to leave the lake house and like go to civilization. Okay. So, so, and Marcus, are you available on the 12th? Yeah, I should be. Yeah. All right. So Bernie said he's available too. So that would mean we would have four of us, which would be an official quorum. And I had emailed Bruce. I just haven't heard back from him. So, okay, that's something I guess we should probably go ahead and then switch our meetings from the 19th to the 12th. So you, you, you'll likely have to talk to Amber about that. Yeah, I'll need to talk to Amber about that. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. All right. And so who's going to review the project? Guilford, who's thought you. Yeah, yes. So. So Guilford, before you get started, I just wanted to, you know, I know that TSO and Darcy had sent us a memo that she had some specific questions for us. And sort of, as I've been thinking about the role that the tack can play or what feedback we can provide. I think that it seems that I mean, it's great if you want to go over the projects and we can also focus on the different aspects of it. But what I see as doing is, you know, looking at the list from the TSO. You know, having discussions about the different elements, particularly the things that we know just our general commons or areas where we're concerned or where we'd like to make specific recommendations. And then on the different elements, we can also, when we do have a quorum, we can take votes. But I, I sort of see us taking a similar approach to what we did with palm away. Where it's not so much about how our committee votes, if we do take votes, but it's just sort of, you know, what we're thinking about, like, please think about these issues, please think of these issues and in some cases I feel like I would probably like it may be the most appropriate for the other committees to like, I know, for example, that, you know, parking is being re explored, like in terms of the parking policy or day DAC or something, or, you know, even the street create the tree committee, whatever they're called. So that's sort of my kind of take on our approach. But if you want to give us a quick overview of the project, elements that have maybe changed, like since that map was drawn up the one the memo that you sent to the council that would be helpful. I'll share my screen. Thank you. So everybody can see the drawing here. I can see a zoom. That's that the wrong thing. Share. Nope, same thing, huh? We got it. We got it. You got the map. Yep. Okay, so before we discuss anything, let's let's orient ourselves with this drawing. This drawing is basically Kendrick Park. It's the shape that's there now. If you see these dashed lines like these. These dashed lines are things that the Cecil group design for the park, and we're recommended by the Cecil group, these little dashed lines. If you see solid lines like this sidewalk here, and this bus stop, and this crosswalk here, those things exist already. This this playground here is the playground we're just finishing building so it exists already. Blue that's at the intersection of McClellan and North Pleasant. That's proposed work which the council has already approved we're going to raise the intersection of a raised intersection with crosswalks there so you can get from the McClellan street neighborhood and that side of the park onto the park. That's something I've already just said we can do. So that's kind of the layout of this drawing. That makes sense. So what is this blue where your pointer is right this was right there what is that. That's a top secret facility which I don't think I'm allowed to discuss right now. We actually were. This is not don't don't go too crazy and don't tell people about this, but we were looking for places to put a bathroom downtown. So this is like a two stall bathroom. Yeah. It makes a lot of sense to have a bathroom there, especially if you have children, right? Yeah. You should remember that when you're talking to older other people who are older than you who think it's better to walk to Bartuchis. Yeah, this actually we fit the bathroom in with this big lawn area which is also supposed to be flooded for an ice rink and stuff and they're seating over here so. That's a preview of things to come don't get too. Can you just also for the section on East Pleasant Street with the existing crosswalks now how like there is the which which is pray street. It's changing a little bit pray is underneath the existing crosswalk and between work to right so I'm just trying to double check so that's price right here. And that's where there's going to be like the new intersection with the rapid rectangular rapid flashing beacons right it's going to be like for. Well, the crosswalk is here. Okay. That does stop to yeah. But planning has got money for an additional crosswalk on the other side of that. Right. Basically where the case. The other end of pray street. That's what I thought there. There's going to be a set of crosswalks, but here, the cross is going to be enhanced and they're going to be rectangular rapid flashing. Okay. Just to clarify, so is the crosswalk there is it going to shift to the north section because then right there's going to be the sidewalk or whatever that's going to like go through along play street out to triangle. Or is it going to be on that side of the street. Is that going to be is it going to be on this walkways going to be on the north side of pray street. That's what I thought. That's what you're asking. Yeah. So like if somebody was crossing it. So is the, are the markings for the existing crosswalk. They're going to stay the same or they're going to shift to the north. There are existing crosswalks across those parking lots aren't there. Guilford. I think she's we don't have the. No, I'm actually just asking about East Pleasant Street. Just in terms of like for people who are at the park and they want to cross each Pleasant Street where are the cross. If you're on East, if you're at the crossing is Pleasant Street, you cross up the existing crosswalk here. Okay. And that crosswalk is a ridiculous crosswalk because nobody actually crosses there because it's on the other side of the driveway and everybody's coming from town actually crosses before they get to the driveway. I crossed. That is all going to change as a result of the new building that's being built there. So what Guilford showing in that blue is what's going to be there. What's shown in the black. Yeah, but that's still after the driveway. driveway is being going away. There's a. It's going away. Oh, okay. Good. Got it. So there's the crosswalk at the bank and pray street. That's this one here. That's the crosswalks down here. Right now what so this other proposed crosswalk. Like that's the one in between. Yeah, is that going away. It hasn't been really proposed yet. Okay, got it. Just kind of in there. Okay. Got it. It's very much. Yeah, people cross there anyway. Yeah, it's an obvious place to put one. I just have to run and let the dog in. Okay. Okay. Wait for a little bit. I think he's coming. Do we lose Eve? No, even here. Can you not see? Make my screen bigger. Yeah. Share your screen. I had a dog issue. I had to run away for for a little bit, but I'm back. What's the park going to be open? Probably in time for the college students to come. Yeah, that's what I thought. I'm sure they'll love it. Oh, it looks really good. Yeah. Very well. The landscape is beautiful. When I'm Gilford's people did the design. It is really beautiful. Yeah. Oh yeah, it's great. All deaf here did the layout and everything. We did. All deaf here. Cool. He did a fantastic job. It's really nice. So, sorry, just to kind of understand the CAD drawing here. The only bit that's been authorized. Is. That bit of blue, but not all blue means it's been authorized. Correct. Correct. Okay. So then what we're proposing to the town council to change is. The Cecil group wanted more parking and wanted some parking. Park and they put in this section of parking right here, which is angle parking. But we thought that we thought we could get. Some more parking and we also didn't like their sidewalk placement. The sidewalk here, if you do this, build this sidewalk. You actually cut through about six or eight. There's a whole bunch on that. There's a whole bunch on this. We'd have to cut into the hill to lower for the sidewalk. So there's, there's really two things where we're actually multiple things we're proposing. One is that we could make North pleasant. One way from McClellan street to triangle. And we could have parking on both sides of the road. Parallel parking. The second thing would be that if we got rid of this green space. On the west side of North pleasant street. And move the road over. We could put the parking there, have a one way travel lane. Have parking and then put the sidewalk where the road is now. So we didn't take the trees down. What about a bike lane? What? What about a bike lane? Well, being one way, there'll be plenty of room for the bicyclists to go back and forth through here. Well, they should only be going one way through that. You can have a one way street for cars. That's two way for bicycles. And that's actually a really great thing to do. And this would be a much better way. For bicycles to go on then on. Use pleasant. So we're never proposing that, but if you want to say we should look at, that's fine. I guess one thing is you've like so on streets that are less busy. Like, do you need to have a bike lane on them too? Like this street is not as busy as so much. Yeah. I mean, you know, we could look at what we've thought about. I mean, it could just be. Yeah. I mean, that, that, that is a good question. Like, but if our cars parking. Right now. It's in there. And out. Yeah. It might actually be. Yeah. If you want two way bicycle traffic. And one way vehicle particular traffic. You need to separate. Otherwise. Yeah. And I would also be concerned. I mean, just in my experience, when you have a counterflow lane for bicycles. Against like. Car traffic. Vehicle. You know, motorized vehicle traffic. When the other way that there is a potential for cyclists. Hit. By people turning who are. Not expecting cyclists. To be where they are. And I do know people who've been injured. Yeah. Such counterflow lane. So. But. I've ridden on those counterflow lanes in Eugene, Oregon a lot. And they're pretty great. And putting bikes, you know, making this an official designated bike way would make a lot of sense to me to get them off of East pleasant for this. Sure. Would it be better to have, I mean. Assuming we kind of go down that route. Having a counterflow lane. Would it be better to have. Only one of the sides being parking and have. So that you don't, you're not crossing the, you know. Yeah. That would mean like to try and maintain the same number of parking. You probably have to go with the angle parking, right? Yeah. I do. I do have a related question to parking. So I think it was at our last. Pack meeting and Chris Bessup was talking about the projects. And Chris, you were saying how right that the, like some of the vision for Kendrick park in the future isn't just that it would be the playground, but it would also have other types of community events there. Like, you know, concerts and so on. And so. Like, even if we end up in a parking lot, you know, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not the, it's the parking lot. That you don't have to go there. Like, you know, concerts and so on. And so. Like even if we add parking on this stretch of North pleasant street, I mean, when you have those larger community events. The parking, I doubt would be sufficient for those. And I know when events are held at Kendrick park currently. Like I can think of, um, the daffodil run, or I don't know, that's one of the big ones is, um, at least some of them, like myself or, but they end up parking on McClellan and like some of the other side streets and particularly because it's a permit parking, which is, you know, only during the weekdays and so on, there's no conflicts, but it does increase. I mean, if the town does have a vision about having larger activities there, like has a town thought about where else parking could be. Did you say this is only gonna be permit parking? Cause I was thinking this is gonna be taken over by university people during the weekday. We don't, we don't. I mean, it already is taken over by university. All the permit parking on closest away from the park on that street is all. I mean, there are questions about the parking now. I do agree with that. And I would like Sean or who's ever assessing the parking permits to look at that because like Kim, as you pointed out, so Eve currently on the ones on the west side that are currently there, like adjacent to some of the larger multi-unit housing, those are permit parking. And then, so sort of on the second half of the, the north half of the roadway and then on the southern half of the roadway, there are some parking meter spaces. I don't see a lot of use of those so occasionally there are people and I know that the driving school uses them. Those don't get used at all and the permit parking gets used but it's certainly to your point, there are so, there's so much parking behind all of those units on that street that it's not those people who are using the street. It's other people just parking at the university who use those permit. I mean, mainly, I know because I bike there every single day. So I mean, anyway, but I know when I went back and I looked at the plans when the Kendrick Park, you know, visioning project process was going on, you know, the 10 years ago and 15 years ago and that there were some ideas about parking then like including using like fearing more or other things but it has, like if there were larger events, like where would people be directed to park? Well, I think a lot of people park in the town lot that's right off Gray Street and at night people park in front of the Jones property and in front of the laundromat in those different places. So there's actually a lot of parking in that corner of town that isn't really monitored that much at night. Okay. Gilford, you're sharing your email. Really? Yeah, because it's also like the... I was looking for something, but I'll wait. Maybe you don't want to share your screen anymore. Well, I was looking for something that had something to do with, and I think I found it, but it's over here. I don't know if you see that either, but... We just see the maps though. Yeah, if you want to unshare and we share. I had a slightly related question, which was, is there a bunch of bike parking somewhere? Because I think, again, this would, especially if you're planning on having community events, bringing people here and we're trying to build alternative transportation. We want this to be a place that really welcomes people who are coming by bike. There is bike parking as part of the playground. Yeah, we've added bike parking. There's bike parking throughout the park proposed. So there is parking in this area right here. There's bike loops here. There's the bike share station here. And then there was proposed bike parking down at this end, which isn't shown because it hasn't been fully worked out. Great, great, perfect. Excellent. Okay. So how many total bikes? I don't think about these things. I'm ashamed that I don't think about these things. Well, it is a park. I mean, there's always places to park a bike in a park. Because I walk there. No, you, I mean, you know, if we want to get it to the levels of other places, you need a hundred, you need places for at least a hundred bikes. So 50 loops throughout the park, somewhere, something like that. We got trees. I mean, yeah, that's right. And don't do what the stupid university has done where you put the loop like only a foot away from the cement curb, because then you can only fit one bike on the loop. Yeah. So, yeah. So, Guilford, do you want to share some, are there any other ideas that you'd like to share about? So we also talked about taking the south end to this section down here and not doing the angle parking because the angle parking cuts into the park, but keeping it two-way and keeping the parallel parking on the east side, or west east side, and then taking out this tree belt on this side as well and making that parallel parking also. So, so Guilford, is the idea to only remove the tree belt? Oh, is it to remove the tree belt all the way along the whole length of North Pleasant Street? Yeah. Yeah, you can do it either. You can do it the whole length or you can do it just the northern link or if you want to just do the south side and leave the north side. Yeah, but you're calling it a tree belt, but I don't think there are very... There's nothing there. There's no... But it's green space. Yeah, it's ugly green. It's nothing. It's nothing. You're saying the purpose is to save green space in the park. But I guess my question, I mean, the thing I'm not really clear on and I mean, I appreciate that the Cesar Group, you know, had come up with different visions and that some of these are still dotted with the sidewalks. But I mean, this would be a question for the Disability Access Advisory Committee too, but do we need a sidewalk all the way along the length of North Pleasant Street, particularly when there is a sidewalk on the other side of the street? So I mean, I think about it from a number of perspectives like what I would... I guess my preference, and again, I haven't heard from Disability Access Advisory Committee about it, but is that we have certain... I mean, I look about the other parks that we have in town, like the common park space, Sweetser Park and so on, right? And they don't have sidewalks like on both sides of the park going all the way around the park. It is a lot of paved space, you know, and we sometimes have trouble even maintaining all the sidewalks that we do have. But I also am not sure that we really need it. Like for example, one group of pedestrians that will walk along the street year round, and so it would not be seasonal, like some of the park would be more seasonal, are people walking from downtown to UMass. And so those people walk on the west side of the street. And that has a lot of traffic right now. And that has a really nice connection, you know, between downtown and UMass. And so, and when I think about, you know, if you're having the playgrounds, I think about if there was a sidewalk all the way along the more eastern side of North Pleasant Street on the west side of the park, that I mean, I do worry about it. One, I don't think all that paved space is necessary necessarily. But then also I think about it from a safety standpoint, if you have a lot of kids and where kids are crossing, and I think about the section of North Pleasant Street through campus, like where it used to be, if you were a driver through campus on North Pleasant Street in the center campus at UMass, right? Pedestrians would just be crossing this North Pleasant Street wherever they wanted. And then over time, UMass built it up where they, you know, would put railings and they'd put vegetation and things to really encourage people to cross at certain areas. And I personally like the idea as we have with our other parks of having pathways through Kendrick Park between the main features that we're trying to have people access and giving. And again, I mean, some of this is an access question in terms of like the disability community, but not having sidewalks everywhere. And just saying, I mean, just like we do say on the main common, right? That you have a pathway across the common, for example. Right, because I think there are proposed pathways through. So for example, that dotted line from the- Right, that one, yeah. To the UMass end of campus. And she liked the playground. Right, yeah. And it doesn't make sense to get to put that pathway because of the trees, which as you rightly stated, you know, and there are bushes over there and everything that would prevent people from naturally like crossing at all throughout that north end of this park on North Pleasant. I mean, so if we were to have, you know, the paths that go towards the crosswalk, you know, the crosswalk that's being fixed at McClellan and to the other, a few other points if they're needed. But maybe, you know, and if we did that, I guess the question is if we do that, then do we still need to get rid of the green belt on the other side, on the west side of the street? Which I actually think, I mean, I realize it's not a lot, but it is in terms of like people feeling safer, like people feel safer walking if they're not right next to cars and it is nice to have some green there. It also just seems like a lot of work to like move the whole street to the west to accommodate a second row of crosswalks. If you want, yeah, but if you want to have like the two-way bike lane and things, you don't wanna have parking on both sides of the street, right? So if you wanna have the two-way bike lane, you're gonna need to probably put in the angle parking, which would mean removing the green space to allow for that. I mean, I guess that would be the priority would be, I mean, I think it would actually be great to have a sidewalk on that side where you're talking about Tracy, but given all the other considerations it does, I think you're right that it could go. And I think Marcus is right that we're gonna need that width to get in, if you still wanna keep the parking to keep it the back angle parking and then get the bikes on the other side. So. Especially since there are a bunch of big old trees and we know that that's really a priority. So there's another reason for not having that sidewalk, which is you'd have to grade a lot because there's a slope on that side. So it would require a lot of earthwork to put that sidewalk in. Oh, that's a really, yeah, that's helpful perspective. Cheaper. Okay. Wait, Guilford, did you raise your hand? I think you were talking. Yeah, I did. Sorry, Guilford, you're not on my screen right now. Oh, sorry. So the reason we're proposing parking against the park is for people who won have little kids and are coming to the little kid playground and don't want to have to fight for parking. I envisioned most of this parking against the park could be metered parking so that it keeps the students out of it because it'll be for one to two hours and it wouldn't be open all the time. So this parking would be here. And then if you have a sidewalk next to your parking place, you can unload with your stroller onto the sidewalk where you're not in the street with your sidewalk, your stroller, and so forth. So that's why we actually like to keep the sidewalk on this side. And this parking is meant more to be for the people coming to the park is why it's there. So that's why putting the sidewalk in the road and moving everything over is kind of, it's meant more to make the park more inviting to those who don't live downtown that can come and park, do their thing, and yes, I mean, you have good comments about the other things, but if you don't have parking next to the park, it's only gonna be the people who live close enough to walk who are gonna come here. Uh-huh. I guess, I mean, there's a few things there is one. I mean, if we look at our other parks, like even the main common, right? On the, on the boltwood side, right? There's not a sidewalk on the boltwood side. Yeah, but there's no plate. And there is gonna be parking there. Like when the parking is added on the boltwood side, will that have a sidewalk on the boltwood side? No, right? Yes, it'll have a sidewalk in the North, in the North Common Redevelopment Project. There's a sidewalk on that section of boltwood next to the North Common. So I imagine when the South Common gets redone, there'll probably be a sidewalk as well to have a place for people to get out and have a walkable accessible place to walk. So by moving the road to the West, you actually save trees along the West side of Kendrick Park and you avoid having to do all that grading on the West side of Kendrick Park. To me, also that the parking, the front end parking at the, I guess it's the South end of the park, that makes a lot of sense because to me, that's where the moms, you know, the parents with the small children are gonna be because that's right there. Well, and also Chris was talking about if there were events at the park, right? People would park it like the Prey Street lot. They'd park across the street and they'd be crossing at our new enhanced crosswalks. They wouldn't all be parking adjacent to the park. And I mean, it seems like there wouldn't be that many people necessarily coming to like driving just to the park and unloading at the park, like the many people. I mean, I thought it was designed as like people who are dining and doing other activities downtown and then, you know, along with those activities, they can push their strollers along to the park and they would be accessing the park then primarily from this eastern side of the park and the sidewalk along there. They wouldn't be coming. My four-year-old has demanded that we go there as soon as it's open. Yeah, absolutely. So we will be there and driving there and we won't be going anywhere else. That's what will be happening. But you would bike. When you bike too, you bike. I'm not going up and over the hill from Cushman. The slides are wicked good. Yeah, yeah. I've tried them all out, you're good. I can't tell my kids that they would be there right now. So I didn't understand, Chris, your comment about with the trees. So if there isn't, if we don't move, if we don't create a sidewalk on the west side of the park, like all the way along, do you still have to move? I mean, is there still an issue with a lot of the trees? That's why I didn't understand your comment. The sidewalk stays the way it is on this plan. You would have to take down trees. Oh, no, of course. Yeah, right. I mean, that's a major that is. I mean, that seems major to me. And I guess I'm also concerned a little bit if there is that much parking adjacent to the park. I'm concerned about the safety for like young pedestrians. The majority of children, pedestrians who are injured or killed, like they're killed because cars don't see them. And that if you have the parking adjacent to the park, you know, and kids are playing in a ball, you know, rolls into the street or whatever, unless, you know, there are really good sight lines with the parking and there's I mean, I can see kids like getting hurt, actually. I mean, I I don't know if I would want to have a lot of parking on the side right next to the playgrounds personally. Yeah, it's a good point. So I mean, that's the, you know, anyway. Then you get, yeah, I mean, it's like it's going to be a balance act, right? I mean, we could improve the safety by slowing traffic down on that one way down to 15, right? I mean, there are other options, putting in raised platforms along the route, you know, painting, making it look like it's a restricted area, that sort of stuff. There's a lot of ways to kind of slow traffic down. One, I mean, to Kim's point, right? Like if you have moms or, you know, parents who are coming, I think people might prefer. I mean, maybe there could be some parallel parking on that side of the street if it was one way. But I don't think I would have it like go all the way along like with all of the cars. Yeah, I mean, I might just have spaces on the north end or something. So when you make it one way that the way it's going now, you also cut down on cut through traffic. Because it's not it doesn't. Yeah, going to the north one way, you get to the intersection with triangle. The left turn is a little more difficult. So you're not going to have the mass traffic that wants to cut through on the side anymore. Because it's one way you also don't have the mass traffic that are cutting through here to avoid the roundabout. So you actually do reduce traffic volumes through here. A great deal just by making it one way and making it go to the north. And it is going to be it will look tired to the drivers because it would be cars parked on both sides. But to say the reality is, though, I mean, I walk in that area quite a bit. I mean, Kim, it lives the closest of any of us. But, you know, if we're changing the street and I still have mixed feelings about it changing to one way and and having the parking on both sides. But I mean, if we're, you know, we're changing the street and there's going to be I mean, when I look at like a regular day, you know, in terms of when are the peak volumes of people at the park? Like there's only going to be certain hours. And if you look at the calendar for like the whole year, there's going to be there's going to be a lot of days that there aren't that many people at the park similar to the common. I mean, I was on the common like the main common on a beautiful Saturday afternoon. Just, you know, one week ago and there's almost nobody there. So I mean, I do worry a little bit about that. I mean, there are going to be these peak times where you're going to have a lot of people who are going to be at the park, particularly when there's events at the park, but how much traffic is there going to be otherwise? And to me, widening, you know, I mean, even though it's going to be one traveling, but for a lot of times, if it's metered parking and there aren't people visiting the park, there's not going to be people parked in those metered spaces. And I would have concerns that cars. I mean, Kim has mentioned that traffic drives pretty quickly. They do along there. And that for a lot of times, I would actually think that you could actually increase the cut through traffic if it's a one way street, because people don't want to have to go through the roundabout. And on those like early mornings and, you know, different times of year that, I mean, unless you can make a left turn. Just to throw out an idea that I'm sure everybody will hate. But, you know, what they would do in a place like Eugene, Oregon is they would make this not a three street for car traffic at all. They would create like a barrier in the middle. So cars can enter from either side, but there's no through car traffic whatsoever, and the only through traffic is bike traffic. Is that something that Emirates would consider? Because it would it would solve a lot of these problems. But it would make it a lot safer because I really don't see a good way around in unless there's a fence around this park or, you know, the kid park. Like I I cycling through here. It is that right now as it is, is very dangerous, especially when there are cars parked on the the east side, you know, during the regular, the regular like UMass school days. And then there are also our students coming out of the parking, the parking lots from behind these big, these residential things. And then there also are delivery trucks and whatever else on the street. It's even me. I am a pretty confident cyclist. And I that street is the one where I have the most difficulties on my daily commute, actually. So, I mean, Kim, do you feel like it would be safer if it was one way? Yes, because there are so many different right now. There are so many different uses of this street. People cutting through, you know, like delivery things, mail, you know, whatever in the mornings and then commuters and then people on their bikes like me, you know, like I feel it's already not very safe. So one thing adding kids in the mix, that would make me kind of nervous. I think I mean, there are ways to slow the traffic down. My concern with putting a barrier in there is the fact that, you know, we have residential places that need to access that. So there's going to be confusion about which and they go to. We're also going to need to provide a turnaround space for people because they will, you know, need to get out of there too. And if we're going to try and put parking in there, we need to we're going to lose spots because we've got we need to. We can't have people utilizing private residents. No, to turn around in and that sort of stuff. So there's got to be an issue. Yeah, it seems like you'd almost have to have people come in from the south and have have the barrier be at the very north end almost and have that turnaround. That's what I was. Yeah. I mean, then it's the, you know, what's the point really? One thing, can I share something? Sure. As a means of. When we talk about like speed tables, right? Let me see if this is going to work. Sorry. Because that's something I definitely think we would want if we do make that one way. And I think we would want some kind of detergent speed deterrent, actually. Yeah, we're going to raise to crosswalk already, right? Right. That's one part. But then there's a great distance between the two. Some things in between. Yeah. The big issues, I think. I mean, if we one of the things we talked about previously was adding additional crosswalks along that length anyway, improve access across it. So, yeah, we could raise those and have those as speed tables, whatever. This is another way of doing it, where you actually just put big squares in the middle of the traffic. They're slightly wider than a normal width of a car, but they're not all the way across. So if you have a bigger truck, you know, whatever, you can get through fine. But cars, it just messes with people, messes with how you do it. So you slow down, but you don't have to slow down. And, you know, it doesn't do as much damage to a car as a race. Speed table can do and all that sort of stuff. And also the same for the houses. So, yeah. And now it wasn't, I forget which meeting it was at, but Guilford, but you had mentioned when people expressed concern about, you know, speed on this street or something that there might be the potential to do other traffic calming along there in addition to the race crosswalk at McClellan. Yeah, I mean, we talked about maybe putting something in the middle here. We put another crosswalk in here. Yeah, could you share your screen back again, please? Sorry, yeah, that would be a bad problem is that to me, it doesn't seem like there are any natural crossings because there's only those big awful residential places like, you know, apartment buildings on the other side where I'm sorry, Guilford, where were you pointing? So we were thinking this one here is kind of like halfway. You put it here. You lose you lose maybe four spaces, but you actually could put it here. OK. And then maybe that makes it more amenable. If we do that, then it makes it maybe more amenable to having parking. Well, it's not that sidewalk the whole way. Right. And I think too, if and actually, if that sort of lines up with this, the the CSO groups pass, right? Like about if you just move their path like a little, I don't know what the contours of the land are, but if you can move their path like a little bit to line up with the crosswalk. And so that again would be another way for that for it to be directing people to cross there and not along the whole street. Yeah, I mean, we actually and and and I think too that the more like traffic calming that's done on the street is the the the less likely people would be to cut through, like, particularly commercial traffic. So I mean, one thing somebody had contacted me and they said, well, that there's there's commercial traffic that's currently cutting through, including. Trucks that are coming from UMass, North Pleasant. There are all kinds of trucks that makes and but I guess one thing is like if you so one, it sounds like there's some drive truck drivers, you think that the roundabout is too problematic for them to use, which I'm not really sure why. I mean, maybe some of that's an education thing because I see the PBT buses go through the roundabout all the time and they it doesn't seem to be a problem. And so but if you're adding if we add speedtables and these other things along the section to do additional traffic calming, then I think that would really cut down on that traffic. And I was also I was also curious about and I had mentioned skill for offline. But just I know that sometimes North Hampton in certain neighborhoods, like they'll have like no commercial traffic, like no commercial cut through traffic, loud signs or something. And I don't it doesn't sound like that's something that Amherst has ever done, and I don't know whether that was something that could be explored or something. And just the enforcement, though, because it's because it is adjacent. I know that the North Hampton Montessori School has the roads near them have those signs because some of the they do have an industrial park near them and that some of the truck traffic will try to like cut through the neighborhoods. And so it's encouraging the trucks to go a different way. Yeah. But particularly if there's a park and I could see to, you know, if there were, you know, larger events there that there could be sometimes. I don't know exactly how this would work, but there could be sometimes like where you almost like close off the street or something that would be a little hard, I guess, with some of the driveways. But yeah, so one thing, one thing we could do instead of a race crosswalk at McClellan, we could put a mini roundabout in there. No. No, no. The power poles are actually in the way. I don't got it. OK. Well, they're right. I like the race crosswalk and with them. Yeah. So. So the one thing I was wondering with the parking to is is there any I have there been any designated spaces yet for handicap parking, like in terms of including potentially like as we think about families coming, you know, and I can see like because the park obviously is going to be accessible like vans with wheelchairs or whatever. Like where would where would those cars park? We do not have any on street handicapped parking in the town of Air Mercy this time. Oh, we don't. No. No. OK. Could we add? I mean, would that be possible with those facing ones? Yeah, if we actually want to if we want to if we were to. If we were to keep like these four spaces right here. And make them back in parking, possibly. We could then make three handicapped spaces here, probably. Yeah. That's probably a great idea. I mean, you would also like people to be able to get to the park. Right. But I mean, it seems we actually have all of the pathways to the pop. But yeah, right. So it's fine. Yeah. I mean, and you can make the if you wanted to make this whole if you want to take all this angled parking here and turn it to be. Yeah. In parking, you could. There's one. This is a telephone pole right here is why there's. OK. And now, if you were going to turn that into angled parking, you know, or a handicap, whatever, however it's set up, does does. Is there an issue with the trees there? Or does the road need to shift it all to the west? So this wouldn't be a case where you would still need to take some of the. You'd have to shift the road west, like into the tree belt or anything. Or would you? Well, if you actually got rid of the tree bell on this side, you would reduce how much you need to put the parking into the park. And you could actually have it back in parking and you can make another. You can make this a bigger green space here. OK. And then, you know what? That that greens, that that tree belt is mainly used for where students discard their Antonio's stuff every every morning. It's. We decided it takes that long for students to walk from a slice and eat a pizza. So. So I don't think there's anything wrong with getting rid of that space. It's really just a trash depot right now. But really? Yes, it is. Trust me. But then is it OK, then, if all the if the firework is right next to the parking? Like it's great separated if it's a race, you know. Oh, right. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it's not going to be. It's not going to be street level, right? So it would have a granite curb. So you would propose getting rid of the green space, even if we don't. You know, have the sidewalk on the other side. It's honestly, it's just a trash way right now. But then it could also it could also give more space if there was ever going to be any kind of bike. Bike. Yeah. So give a little bit more room, I guess, too. And we wouldn't take as much park. I mean, yeah, and you wouldn't take as much park. And there's no. No, at all. There's not there's nothing other than lawn. All right. So if we do put hand, if there is handy hat parking, angled parking on that south section with the angled parking, then assuming there were people with wheelchairs and mobility issues and stuff, you would want to have a sidewalk that there is has on that part. Yeah. That's a lot of those are dotted lines. A lot of those are dotted lines right now. Yeah, this area here was supposed to be like an area set up for a farmer's market where you have vendors and then have people walk around. OK. So either the vendors are on this side or the vendors are on this side. It was kind of it wasn't really it was just a concept, right? Chris, it wasn't really the side which way the vendors would be. But this was sort of like if you wanted to have like a farmer's market at this end or something. But it seems to me that if we did put those parking spaces there and certainly if we put the hand, if we suggested the handicapped spaces. Yes. There should be a sidewalk right there. Yeah. But that I mean, I think that could also make sense, like from the McClellan crosswalk that that it would make sense to have, particularly if there's going to be more activities on the south side of the park and it's a two way street that you can, you know, have the sidewalk for that section. Yep. So OK. OK. I think we're like making progress. Oh, and I guess, yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Are there other details you wanted to talk to us about, Guilford? Anything? Well, that's the concept. And yes, like you guys talked about, you can mix and match how you want to. And right. So Guilford, I think you had stepped away. But I did ask the question about like if Amherst would consider it doesn't sound like it's ever been done, but in terms of like restricting commercial traffic like through this stretch of North Pleasant Street just because the park is right there like to have it signed, like, you know, don't take this street even for the northbound traffic to like encourage people to stay on East Pleasant Street and go around the roundabout or whatever we can do that. I mean, there is a process. There is an official state process for designating a road restricting it from commercial truck traffic. So you could do that. It's just never been done in Amherst. OK. I mean, do you think it's work? You know, I don't know. I just I was just I mean, because I think even if you, you know, to Kim's point about just how people are speeding on that street now. And I think what Kim, what you said is that the traffic in the morning, it's primarily northbound and I can see trucks and, you know, if people don't if truck drivers don't feel comfortable with the roundabout and so on, and I mean, I can see traffic trying to go fast. But when you can redesign the you could also redesign the sorry, I'm just trying to get back to the Halleck Street intersection here to make it more and, you know, if you bolt out the park into the intersections, then it would make it more, you know, any semis or anything, you're not going to get around it, basically. I mean, you'd have to be careful with emergency vehicle access. But if you could bolt it out into the intersection more or whatever, it would give us a bit more green space and make it less advantageous for people to get there. So so one thing you guys all just reminded me, and I was thinking more critically about why it feels like truck. I realized that since the roundabout went in, there definitely are more trucks coming down that street. And the issue really with the trucks and in addition to the speed is that they just take up more space. So your sight line of seeing cars come. So, you know, in the morning, in particular, there are all these cars coming out of those little driveways, but there are cars parked on that side of the street. And then you have these big trucks coming, bolting down that same side of the street. And it really obscures the view. Like it's very difficult to see what's coming. So, you know, any I think that that that it might be a really great idea to try. If we and I like the idea of making this one way, actually, too, because I think that'll reduce the number of the number of cars going through there. But I really like the idea of making that getting trucks out of there, especially if we're also going to be adding, you know, bolting small children who are bolting through potentially, you know, well, yeah. Well, that could be something. So, and I guess, too, so with the existing parking that's on. The so on the north part of that section, north pleasant, the existing parking on the west side is the permit parking. Yes. And so. So I'm assuming, right, that like Sean and who's ever looking at parking, they could also re explore that. And that could be something that the tack includes in our memo just that it seems that most of those properties currently do have you know, parking located in the rear of their buildings. And that right there used to be a little bit of commercial there. It's not there anymore along that stretch of street. Right. Right. That also like just who is that? Who is that permit parking serving, I guess, right? But also in terms of like it's only full in the mornings on when you mass this in sessions. Right. I mean, yeah. But also in terms of those little driveways, like as we think about that the times, you know, the times of day and the days when this area is going to be, when all the parking is going to be full, because there's activities at the park. I mean, maybe something to consider is just the sight lines with those driveways. Just again, like thinking about a lot of pedestrians, including kids and. You know, I know that the public way, like I know that TSO and they've come to tattoo to review kind of our public way, the public way policies relating to parking on street and that right now, the last person I saw, it only talked about that they're not going to. It doesn't include at this time, like any guidance with the sight lines with driveways, but I my tendency would be to err on the side of caution, you know, in terms of near driveways, because Kim, as you're saying, right, like at certain times a day when a lot of cars are exiting. And I mean, sort of some of my biggest worries is, you know, particularly when it gets really busy there, if you have like mini vans and like larger vehicles that if they're parking really close to those driveways, you can't see around them and even for vehicles parking on the park side, the same sort of issue is like I would, even if we, even if we don't have the sidewalk there, I don't. I don't know if I'd want to have parking all the way along the whole thing just because because it is going to be a concern if you have. Yes, larger vehicles parked there along with these little kids. So and that's still a concern of mine. If you have the sidewalk all along, then the parents would park on that side. Ideally, you know, you can have to to. To the point have the the the meat parking on one side and a permit on the other, potentially, and so that would encourage people to park on the side closest to the park and they would be able to light from their vehicles from the passenger side. But I thought we were talking about not having the sidewalk on the park, right, all the way along. We had, but I think we're kind of getting back into that, you know, putting it into the roadway sort of thing. But no, but I think if you have, you know, as Guilford suggested, you could have like a second crosswalk. I think we can just direct people to cross at those crosswalks. I don't think we need. I still don't think we need to have a sidewalk all the way along the the side of the park personally. I agree. But that can be that can be something we can vote on and discuss. Yeah, I think I have a quorum. Yeah. I was also thinking that you could potentially. You know, to go with the slowing down of traffic, create chicanes by having, you know, back up front in parking on one side of the street for a certain amount and then another side for a certain amount. So then the, you know, the traffic flow is making. Oh, I see an S is down the street. And so there's no way for them to go. I think I think you guys should. Well, I guess we won't, we won't be able to to make a recommendation when you mass is in session. But I really recommend you all try and walk like or maybe bike or whatever. Because it really gets congested there. Like, like I said, I am a very confident cyclist and that's the place I feel like I have to be really capable. So as it is now, and I can't imagine, you know, because there's also a lot of double parking because people like, like, like, you know, delivery vans or whatever will be out front because there's a lot of students that live in those houses. You know, sure. Business that goes on packages delivered, whatever. Would we refer the bike list to the bike to the path? Sorry, just wondering if we, you know, encourage the cyclists to go on the path. Well, and I'm not even I'm not talking about myself. I'm just it is not it's it's a really used place and there's not great sight lines. And if we had parking on both sides, I would feel like that might make it in. And then, you know, people are their delivery vans and whatever. What does that do? It makes me really. So anyway, sorry. So actually, so you did mention the time frame for us getting back to the council and and I had been in touch with the council president, you know, particularly after Darcy stepped down. And and I did say and Darcy had mentioned to her that we sometimes have issue with quorum. And I brought up the issue, you know, related to quorum as well. But then also the fact that it would be valuable if we delayed making our recommendations until the UMass students were back just because it can change this area and the intersection so much. So if that's something that we as a tack want to pursue, it seems the council president didn't think that there would be an issue with that. I think we should. And so I mean, I mean, Guilford, does that seem like OK to you as well, if we put it off a little or. Yeah, there's no money. OK, well, why we even make a decision that I mean, the other thing, Guilford, that you had mentioned at one of the meetings, right, is that like in the fall, you'll be working on what's the list for the spring, like in terms of spring and summer, the next construction season projects. And so like if we were to make a decision in, you know, if we were to issue our recommendations in mid September or something after the students have been back for a few weeks, like it doesn't seem like that would necessarily, you know, adversely impact like your own timeline in terms of moving it forward. Is that true? Yeah, that's true. I mean, basically we figured out we have figured out in town hall that are in the town government that's going to take a while to get things through with the new rules. OK. So everything that you're going to be getting coming up, there's like three of them. This is one. There's two more coming. They're all things that we're looking for for next year. Yeah, OK. OK, yeah, it's not something. We'll we'll actually bang out the McClelland. We're going to try to get the McClelland Street intersection banged out by the end of the year. OK, got it. I think that'll be in. And then that'll be interesting. Yeah, I mean, I guess one question is like, so when the park is opening because it sounds like the park is going to open, you know, within the next few weeks or month or what's the time frame on that? It'll open before the end of the month. Oh, great. So I mean, so in terms of like how we're so currently with the parking at that park, I mean, the playground, like once it opens, so it would just be the current parking right. So there would still be the permit parking on the west side of the street and the metered parking on the east side of the street for that short section, and it would still be a two way road. And so none of those other and there wouldn't be handicapped parking or any of those other things, right? So that would be. So can we go ahead and make it a one way street? Well, I don't think today I mean, I think if I guess if we have enough. I've been trying to say one thing that I just want to get in, which is again, thinking about bikes, I think I personally think it's really a priority to make this safer bicyclists as well as pedestrians and accessible. So just keep in mind that when we put those speed bump crosswalks in, you want to make it still passable by bikes. If they're humps, it's fine. But anyone who's biked over one of those little sharp bumps knows that those are horrible on bikes or you can leave a little space on the side for bikes. And then the other thing is that I at the very far north and I think it would be really great to actually have a bike size cut through path so that people coming from the university can turn right more directly. I don't understand what you're saying. So I got it. Can you show what I mean, Gopher? Yeah, I can't show it on this picture. But basically you would like to make this sidewalk that's kind of in here be wider, so it's like a multi-use path. Yeah, you could cut off the road and the cyclists could come this way. Yeah, exactly, instead of going all the way around like this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so at what point does the university like take over? North Pleasant Street. Yeah, North Pleasant Street doesn't take over North Pleasant Street. The all of North Pleasant Street is controlled by the town. Yeah. Oh, OK, even OK. I wasn't sure, like, the section all through UMass and everything. OK. They just think so. But they do. But the University Drive, though, right, is UMass. University Drive from, like, campus to Amity. That's. Yeah, no, from. Yeah, from Amity up as Amity North is. Right, yeah. OK, got it. OK, so this ice rink thing. Are you going to put it in, like, a circular path like they have in Holyoke at that park by the by 91? No, what this is proposed to be is just a low area that can be flooded. And you can have a big rink here if you want to. And then in the summer, when it's no ice, you could have performances and have people sit up here on the in these little seats up here. You got performances down here. You could have a band and concerts in the bull. And so. But they have done that before. I mean, it has been flooded and and there's been ice skating rink. There are small things there before. Yeah, but the goal here is to make it smoother and easier for us to flood it and control it. And then. And then you have a little walk. So so, Gifford, you had mentioned just about the funding. So so in terms of. So which parts of this, you know, of what's being proposed or could be done here would need a lot of funding? Like if we were, if it was just to like add or take away parking or change parking designations, right? That doesn't require funding per se. I don't require it doesn't require a lot. It's just like town time and there there's signage and stuff like that. Oh, OK. But now to change, I mean, to actually do this road, it's just basically when you repave this road and reconstruct this road, we would do it in a certain different way. That's all it is. So the idea would be to have to. So would North Pleasant Street have to be repaved to turn it into like a one way street or. Yes, we would repave this whole length right through this one here. But it seems like it would be like less expenditures right than if the street had had to be moved to the moved, it moved a lot to the West, right? So really, it's not that much, it's not much more cost the way of you kind of set this up kind of vision. Because this there's no all the curbing along the side of the road is almost buried. So if you want the curbing, you're going to have to take it out and reset it. OK, you take it out and reset it five feet over from where it is now. The same price is taking it out and resetting it in the same place. OK. And then the same here. I'm going to run everybody. OK. Thanks for your hard work. Thanks. OK. And then. Go ahead. Sorry. So I was just I was just looking at the the TSO's. Memo to us and the memo just just to remind you, I think part of what we are trying to do is to not necessarily debate what is happening on the park, but to address the TSO's like concerns. Yes. And the question I mean, I was just looking at their memo to us is should North Pleasant be one way? Yes. The caveat that they say is to allow for more parking. If so, to be northbound, I think, you know, I think we can address those issues so far. If so, should safety features be added? So the question is not, you know, anything else about that that piece of the the north end of the park, but whether or not it should be one way to allow for more parking. And I think that that's not necessarily I think we should break them out. Yeah, no, I agree. So I just want to I just wanted to like remind us all. Right. Questions were that we were actually being asked. And then. Yes. And then the other questions, really the questions that they're asking, really are about parking. So to 25 there, the second question, they are the second point that they have is parking and 25 on street parallel parking spaces be added to maximize parking. So they're, you know, as pictured, so what we have right now. So should it be permit parking? Should the permit parking on North Pleasant be moved to the east side of Kendrick? Well, so actually, so Kim, the I'm sorry, I was reading what. No, the message. This is actually different than what Darcy sent to to distribute to the tack. And the version that I the version that I shared. It frees some of it differently. OK, great. I mean, it's the same sort of points. And I think, you know, what we what we could do. I mean, again, I was thinking about this similar to what we did with Pomroy Village, as we just say, if you're adding more parking, like these are our concerns, like safety, sight lines, kids, like, you know, just those are our points. And these are our suggestions on how to make it the safest. And just to the point about the parking supply, you know, for whoever studying parking, just revisit whether those need to be residential spaces because if they don't need to be residential parking spaces, I mean, I'm sorry, Town Center permit parking on the west side of the park. And that's actually creating new spaces as well in terms of the general parking supply of for people who would be visiting the park directly and wouldn't have residential. I mean, wouldn't have town center. I can see I can see the park being the draw for families. Right. Like you go there, you park there, you go to the park with the kids for a couple of hours or so, and then you go somewhere and have food after. Yeah, maybe across the street. Where I see in the picture here that we see, you know, in the proposed plan. Yeah, I see some pretty good sight lines on the parking on the west side of that street. Right. They're not all bang up to the edges of the driveways, right? There's some there's some relief either side. So maybe what we can talk. Yeah, some some maybe what we talk about is and when we, you know, when whatever we do, it's just a you want to maximize the relief from the you know, whatever, optimize the relief from the driveways to improve sight lines. Sure. And then maybe we can look at, like I say, like opposite sides of the streets for whatever, you know, additional structures within the street, pumps, whatever, to slow traffic down to move things around or whatever. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I can. I mean, if it's helpful, I could share the version that was the final version that Darcy sent around because the other question that we were asked about seems to be sidewalks, and I feel like we made some progress. Yeah, I think so. But, you know, there also are other issues that feed into this that we're not exactly discussing, which include, you know, you know, there's been all this issue and I just want to put this out there. And, you know, I live in this neighborhood too. So, you know, there's been there's all kinds of issues with the on street parking on McClellan and my guess is, you know, we get rid of the whatever the residential parking on on North Pleasant, that would back then into McClellan and Lincoln. There's all kinds of issues with parking. Sure. And I'm sure the TSO was worried about that, because that's another issue that they're they're concerned with. And also, the other the other issue, which, you know, kind of it feels like it's kind of the elephant in the room at this point is all of the other student dorms that are going in on the other side of Kendrick Park and the lack of parking in those those areas. And I kind of feel like maybe that's what part I very cynically feel like some of this like increase of the permit parking around here might be due to, you know, increased demands because of that, too. And I feel like it's something we need to kind of at least be a little aware of. Not sure that will help with the kids running back and forth on the streets. I don't know. Anyway, I mean, I guess the thing is, so have the number of town center residential permits increased? Like, to my knowledge, they haven't really changed the map very much, though I'm not a parking expert by any means on this. I feel like the number of spaces is no. The number of spaces, no, the amount of permits are. Yeah, of course, permits has increased. Yeah. Right. And I mean, in some council members, right, including Alyssa Brewer have expressed concern about that and want, actually, I think TSO and the council to reconsider who's eligible for the residential, the town center parking permits for residential when they don't, you know, live that close or what? I mean, I think I mean, it sounded like she was going to ask TSO to review some of that, some of those larger questions about. But I just I guess I just want everyone to be aware that they're, you know, like cutting the parking, you know, I it seems weird that that's the main issue that we're being asked about. But I guess that's also the issue that the, you know, is is directed to our town councilors the most, probably because of resident, residential or whatever. And people want things to be convenient. Yeah. Right. And I mean, a parking has been identified, you know, and it does make sense to have parking near the park. And yes, I mean, so the one, I mean, remaining, I mean, one remaining can start. I do have if it is one way, it's just if that does. Discert, like if some people are going to end up and maybe I worry about this more, like with boltwood or something. But if some of the people who would have gone south bounds on North Pleasant and won't be able to, like if they instead of going on triangle and going to East Pleasant and going that way, like are going to cut through like other streets, like if they're going to take Lincoln and McClellan. And I don't think that's an issue because it's not that convenient to do all that. And you have to really know. But people know. I mean, I had a counselor. I don't think that's an issue. OK. I mean, I had a counselor the other day just tell me that they never go through the roundabout. And that when they're at UMass, that's how they go. They take Lincoln and McClellan and stuff. Yeah. But anyway, I mean, I mean, that's the whole, you know, with the with the network when you have a network. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's really good when you can distribute all the traffic like across the network and it makes it complicated when you have one way streets that send people like this way or that way. And particularly for people who are visiting or something like not everybody's familiar with that. Seen enough, we will have enough roundabouts where they can't avoid them. Yeah. And when Guilford can cover the town with roundabouts. Oh, hell yeah. OK. OK. And approaching arts are which you know, this is. So I think I feel like we made progress. I can write up like some of what we talked about right. We're not at the stage. We're raking recommendations. There is a TSO meeting at six thirty. I'm assuming Guilford. Are you going to now? Like now? Yes. Oh, but I could just mention that we would like to have an extension. Yeah. And in rate, you know, bring up some of the key things that we talked about without our quorum. And it sounds like we will be able we will be able to meet next week. I think we have a quorum for next week. So we could potentially vote on some of these things. But if we're going to wait until the students are back. I would say as someone who lives in the area and literally goes on on that street every day, I really would encourage people to wait until the students. To see how that feels, because, like I said, I am a very strong and adventurous cyclist, and that's probably the least safe part of my commute every day. So I think, you know, one thing for us to think about moving forward in terms of our other meetings and particularly if we're going to ask, you know, for an extension until like mid-September with the memo is. So if we meet next week on the 12th, we don't meet on the 19th. And then we're not meeting on the 26th, which is like right before everything starts happening. And then I guess that we would have a meeting on the second. Yeah. And the students will be back. So I mean, I believe classes start classes start September, but then a lot of students are going to be moving in. Yeah, they start on the first. It starts on the first. All right. OK, back the week. I mean, the first year students are coming in that weekend, the weekend, the 30 and Amherst classes. So then I mean, we could report back to TSO mid month. And and also it does sound go for that. There could be other things like coming to the tack for consideration, too. Can we have a meeting in Kendrick Park? Like an actual like walk about meeting. You can. I would be up for that. But I mean, I agree with Kim, I'd like to wait. I do agree. I think we can wait until part of that actually go there. Maybe on the second or something. Yeah. If we're allowed, I guess we have to ask the council if we're allowed to meet in person, is that an option given to us? Or is that you're allowed to have site visits? Every other committee has site visits. OK, just call it a site visit. Oh, OK, so in addition to a regular meeting. Yeah, or you could schedule half the meeting to be your. Yeah, but then we don't have to go back to our computers and get on Zoom. And but we can all we could all sit in the new park on the second. I know and use the slide. That would be awesome. I you can use my work phones. Wifi and we will have to move. We I mean, we typically meet on the first and the third Thursdays and we will have to move the one on the sixteenth because it's still part of Yonkapur. So we wouldn't be able to meet that week. But maybe we could meet on, say, the second and the ninth. And, you know, after that, like release a memo or something. Sure. So OK, but thank you. Thanks, everybody. Thanks, everyone. All right. Next week. Hi. Bye. See you next week.