 Well, I think he's, you know, he's always had a strong arm. He's very elusive in the pocket. You know, he's a good athlete. He can run, play against him a couple of different times. And, you know, if he gets rolling, he can get it rolling. He can spin the ball. So, but I just, I mean, he's a good quarterback. He's an NFL quarterback. He's an NFL quarterback. He's a good quarterback. It doesn't really matter. I know what everybody wants to say while he's not Wilson, well, he's got a pretty good group of guys around him. He's got really, really talented running backs. He's got great wide receivers. He's a good quarterback and he's proven that in this league. I have no idea what that means. Ask Coach Pete. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I'm sure he is. He's also said we need to run the ball better. If I notice both of those quotes. So, which quote is true? I don't know. Really wasn't, it really wasn't a rotation. It really wasn't. When they went up 28, whatever it was, it was 3 or 10, whatever it was, I just turned to Coach Oak and said, why don't you put Dean in? It's 28 to 3. At some point in time, you're going to need all these guys during the season, right? So, the more, and he's played quite a bit, and but he hadn't played in our system as much. So, we just put him in. It wasn't, it had nothing to do with Hawk. Had nothing to do with any of those guys other than it was 28 to 3. And I felt like, okay, let's play the other guys. There's not like, I think there's a big drop off in any of those guys. I don't think there is. So, it really didn't matter to me. It wasn't, it was not taking a guy out of the game for any reason. It was just putting the other guy in to give him some playing time. Yeah, it felt like in that game, there was a lot of stuff we were doing, and it was a little more complicated coverage-wise. And I just felt like, again, it was not anything to do with Michael Ford. It had more to do with just Eric's experience as a safety and as a defensive back in a game like that that I thought could really help us. Well, no, I think, you know, you, I think you have a hard time as a coach trying to foster relationships between players. The thing of what you can foster is bringing guys back into the program that you know will foster guys like that. And that can also accept roles as maybe not being the starter. There's a lot of guys that were starters in this league and you try to bring them back as a backup that's really, they're not looking to foster anybody. They're looking to beat the guy out and keep their job. Eric and Dean are two guys that, yes, do they want to start? Do they want to play? Yes, but they also are the type of guys that you know are gonna be good for the younger guys too because they will help them any way they possibly can. I mean, all these guys are in competition with each other and takes a special guy to be able to mentor somebody that's in their position. And those guys are special guys. And I give credit to Arthur and Terry for bringing Eric back in that role and bringing in Dean Marlowe. Well, if we can somehow put the first three quarters of the first game and the fourth quarter of the last game together, that's what we're looking for. Basically, we played really well. I fought for three quarters except for two plays by Hill in the Saints game. And in this last game, we just got ourselves down, but I thought we showed resilience and came back second half. And even when we were down, played hard and gave ourselves a chance to win the game at the end. I mean, it was close. I mean, we didn't give up. Guys were playing hard in the fourth quarter, got them off the field finally in the fourth quarter. We did just played better fundamentally. And what we got to do is we got to find that personality inside us, like in the first half of the Saints game, I thought we played loose, free, not worried about anything, turn it loose, let's go. And we played like that. And then all of a sudden we tightened up a little bit in that fourth quarter in the Saints game and didn't play fundamentally like we did for three quarters. Then in this last game, then all of a sudden it goes kind of the other way and you're down 28 to three. So now all that's the side. Now it's not like we're playing in a real tight game. So now all of a sudden we're playing freer and looser and I thought we played better. So what we got to do is figure out how we can get ourselves to play loose for four quarters and just let the thing go. Oh, no doubt. I can just tell difference in the way we play, the style we're playing with, the way we practice. No doubt about it. And it wasn't even close to me on defense. Players. The way they practice is the way they, you know, get themselves ready to go. When we're playing the same scheme, we added a few things here and there and stuff like that. But it's their attitude, this game's all about players. It did all right, it did all right. Some of the rookies had, you know, they're always going to be growing pains and stuff like that. I thought, you know, for his first start out there and kind of in the heat of the battle and the way and all that kind of stuff, you know, I thought he did well. He's the same thing as all those rookies, they, you know, and Coach Smith always points it out to him, you know, we want you to play like you looked when we drafted, because what happens is that they come in there and they start thinking too much. You know, they're used to the system they are in college and all of a sudden they're playing freer and they're going to, you know, when they go down there to the bowl games like the senior bowl and stuff like that, they don't have them doing a whole lot. I mean, it's just lying up and sick of them and, you know, they play that way and that's what gets them drafted. Well, we got to get you back to doing that all the time. And I, but he, but he had a good first start. Yeah, we're just, again, we're trying. Now I had nothing to do with Rashan Evans whatsoever. That was just a matter of let's get him some snaps, get him some snaps when it counts. You know, I mean, it was like the second quarter. So it was like, you know, I don't know if it was 14 to three or seven to three when we put him in, but we kind of wanted to get him some significant snaps when everything's kind of still fresh. It's not lopsided or anything like that, one way or the other. Well, I think you guys feel good that we've had some turnovers in the first two games. We've had, we didn't get any sacks in this game. We got some sacks in the first game. So we've shown progress in that area. Cause, you know, last year at the end of the year, I don't know what we have 15 sacks for the year. And I don't even know how many takeaways we had, but all those things really help our psyche, which to me, that's kind of right now is where it is. I know we're inexperienced at some positions, which just going to get better and better, but it's also, it's just our attitude. And that's, like you asked me, Tori, it's, that's why I feel just so different about this defense. I just, I feel good about these guys. I do. Oh yeah, he's one of my mentors. One of the reasons why I coach special teams is because of Joe D. I interned for him when I was with the Chicago Bears, when he was the special teams coordinator in 13 and 14. So there's a huge reason why, he's one of the reasons why I coach special teams. Yes, amazing guy. Man, I was a defensive line coach at the time, 2013 at University of South Dakota. And it was the very first Bill Walsh fellowship program I was part of with the Chicago Bears. So it was cool just learning the different ways on how he taught personnel, concepts, teaching, a lot of the core things that I do on special teams and from teaching roots back to when I was with him back in 13 and 14. So I really admire the way he coaches the game and how he gets guys to play really hard. Yes, I mean, you look at the game, special teams, 40 or more yards being exchanged, a direct attempt to put up points and a change of possession. So anytime there's a big play made on special teams, it helps the offense and defense, you know, whether it comes to field position or putting up points on the board. So those plays are big. When we talked to our guys, guys like, you know, Cradell Hodge, just as walking by right now, we said great plays are made from great effort. And there's a reason why those guys are out there playing. We try to put the best 11 out there, but plays on special teams, if you're able to make a play in space when it comes to playing a special teams game or being able to get a hand or a stomach on the ball like Troy did, those are momentum changing plays. Is that no beauty that you need to have some success, have some plays all your way? Yeah. Yes, Dave, when it comes to that, when you're playing in space and you get the opportunity, one, it goes to guys just doing their job. Once they do their job and they're able to put their stuff in a position, now it's up to them to go make that play and then provides credibility. And then those are opportunities for guys that lead by example, by their play and their actions and their production on the field, Dave. That makes sense. Just like any other week, our kicking coverage have to compliment each other when it comes to the coverage game, D-Led, being able to, you know, put the ball where we need to put it at, getting our coverage guys to strain and coverage, get off blocks and finish on the football, with leverage and attack the football. So it's like any other week, it's the NFL. There's always dynamic returns that we go against each and every week. And it's our job, the 11 guys that are on the field, to be able to, one, put the ball where we need to put it, to when it comes to coverage and kick placement, and then our guys getting off blocks and making plays. They have a lot of top special teams guys when it comes to Seattle's special teams. I really admire what Coach Izzo's doing there, their direct reflection of how they, how he was as a special teamer in the NFL, you know, nine-time all-pro, special teams player, pro-ball player. And it's cool to see how he's coaching those guys, and it's a direct reflection of how they're playing the game. They're fast, physical, aggressive, and they really compliment their offense and defense, D-Led. They're, both of them, both were pro-ballers in, you know, a couple, like, you know, at Dixon was, I think it was 18 seasons pro-baller, Myers pro-baller 20 season. Both, both guys are very talented, but they'll have very strong legs, and you can tell that they really do a great job of one, putting up points, or flipping the field when it comes to their coverage units. Mm-hmm. You know, when it comes to pump pros, our personal protector, and as everybody's correlated to our protection, we want to make sure that we over-communicate and that we're clear with whatever we're doing, whether it's Keith Smith out there, part of our pump pro, Eric, Eric Harris, if Cordell Patterson wants to get back out there and play the gunner position, hint, hint, just messing with him right now. But those positions, everybody is part of our pump pro. They got to over-communicate and make sure we're all on the same page. We want to take our time to make sure that we're clear and concise with what we're doing, and then we're doing a good job of protecting opinion so he could go out there and do his job and put the ball where it needs to be. I mean, we got, you want to, there is a, we're not going to be naive. There is awareness to it, but we're not going to allow the external change who we are internally and how we go about our business. We get to play on a hundred yard football field and it has two field goal posts and there's one football. So we go out there and we do our job at the highest level possible and we make sure that we're complimenting each other on all phases and it doesn't matter and we'll love the outcome of the game. How many special teams are you? He's a four-phase player for us. You know, he played, I mean, he was one of our better special teams players. You know, the two rookies that we, that played a lot for us was Avery Williams and Richie Grant when it came to special teams. He was frustrated with himself a little bit that he wasn't getting more defensive snaps. Did you ever see that carry over to his special teams? No, never, never. I never saw that, Josh. The guy's awesome. Of course, a player that plays on defense or a player that plays on offense, that's their goal to be a starter on that side of the ball. But he did a great job last year when it came to special teams. Him and guys like Avery, they would come to my office every Monday and Tuesday during the season and make sure that they were dialed in and what they needed to do for special teams because they knew that him being a part of coverage games, which he was one of our top tacklers on kickoff, correlated to us having great field position on defense. He was never, you can have your frustrations but it never bled into what he did on defense and it never bled into what he did on special teams. And that speaks high about his characteristics. You say he's awesome. Why? Other than that mindset, what else makes it? He's a competitive, ultimate competitor. He's a competitor. He's physical, positive attitude. He's a leader. He leads by example and he works hard. He, I mean, his urgency on the field and the way he goes about his business. And again, I would say the top thing, he's a competitor whether he's, he might be outmatched sometimes going against a bigger opponent but he wants to line back up and go against that guy again. And every single play, he might lose a rep but the next one I put money that he's gonna win the next rep. He was very solid for us and he continues to get better as long with all these other rookies that we out there playing and other guys, the young players that are playing for us, he continues to get better. He's physical, aggressive, fast. Give him a compliment because he set up that rush too by his alignment and his rush to help free up Troy Anderson. I would like to see those. Be a good champ. Yeah, those are conversations that we have with our specialists and the head coach and myself. And when we get to eight, anytime we play at a stadium that's outdoors, we want to use, I said this before in one of my press conferences, we want to use the win to our advantage. So there's a conversation that we have with Kub, Bradley, Liam, Coach Hoff and Coach Smith and myself. We have those conversations on how we can make the win that day a factor and help us compliment us on all six phases. Oh, I mean, I think it's a combination of things. Obviously, when you design things, predicated on what you think the defense is going to do, there's times where obviously defenses take certain reads away and the ball goes where the ball goes in terms of the progression for the quarterback. So Kyle is doing everything we ask. Obviously within the scheme and the fit of the games, trying to get him involved is obviously important for all of us. But there's other players that obviously have shown up, made plays. It'll fit within the flow of the system. In my experience, when you start forcing the ball at the quarterback spot to somebody, you're asking for bad things potentially to happen. That's not how we speak with the quarterback. Obviously, defenses dictate at times when the ball goes, but it's not a forced situation. Yeah, I mean, I think, obviously where he is with his production, I think he's done a good job of, not just the mental, but the physical part of what we ask to go out there and try to execute the game plan just like everybody who's out there with the skill, guys. There's a certain criteria in which we ask guys, especially mentally, to go out and perform. You have to be able to be on top of that. And Drake's just another example of a guy who goes out and acts like a professional. There's things that we ask. He tries to execute at a high level and the ball finds him at times and he makes plays when his number's called. Yeah, I mean, I think within the flow of the game, situationally, where things can occur. Sometimes there's different things that defense presents, which we try to take advantage of. But there's no set going away from something or going towards something. There's definitely a flow of the game in which things occur. Is that all your scripted questions? Okay, now we're ready to go. I felt like that was intense right there at that point for D-Lab. Well, I do think it's a consistency, right? In which a player shows up every day for work and with him and a number of our players, regardless of age or experience in NFL, there's a certain level of standard in which we expect them to come in, understand the plan, come out here physically and execute the plan. But just even how you approach the meetings, the walkthroughs, it's professional football. So there's definitely a level of, when you come in to understand there's a responsibility in that. And I think Drake, just like our other guys, take that responsibility serious. And again, you hope for not just him, but other players for their production to continue to occur, because obviously that makes us a better offense. Does that feel right? Do you feel better about it? I mean, for me, I know last year is last year, but in terms of the confidence thing, there was never a waiver, regardless of the timeframe we're talking about. I do think there's times in games where certain things work better than others. There's also times in the run game or pass game in which your mashups dictate things. For us right now, it's early in the season. And we're two weeks in, there's 15 more you're guaranteed. So we're still, for us offensively, right? We're still going through some of the things to make sure we're putting our players in the best position as coaches. And it's no different going in this week. But do you feel better? Yeah, I never felt, in my opinion, right? Going forward, I don't look at it. Did I feel worse? I did feel better. I mean, each week we're going out and trying to attack a defense a certain way. So in terms of wavering and confidence or feeling better, that isn't coming to my mind. It's more about how do we attack the scheme that we're playing? And if that week calls for us to do something different, then we're gonna do it. But we're trying to score points regardless of how we do it. That's the name of the game and an offensive side of the ball in the NFL. And regardless of how you get that done, we need to get that done. Well, there's different pieces, right? Obviously, there's different skilled positions. There are different offensive line positions from last year. But again, it's still early in the process of this season. There's things that we have done this year that we've set out that have been better. But there's things, obviously, when it comes to certain things that have not allowed us to score, that we need to improve on. And that's the case day in and day out. Today, obviously, Thursday, you're working on a different situation than you'll work on tomorrow. And these situations, you know, critical or not, those are the things that we need to improve on. And right now, that's the message going forward to the offense. So I feel like where do we need to go? Yeah, I think when you talk about the quarterback spot and not to be a, not to make an excuse by any stretch, but the realization of the quarterback is everybody has to do their job to get great quarterback play. And the quarterback has to do his job. And so that could be anything from assignment to alignment to when the ball snapped to execution. And so when you single out one position, to me, it's obviously in my position, it's about everybody. It's all 11 guys. So for us moving forward offensively, it's about getting those guys in sync on the same page, making sure that we don't beat ourselves. And then we execute at the most stressful and tight situations that games will allow us to execute in. So for me, with Marcus or any other players, it's about how we actually represent ourselves as a unit and go out there and execute in those critical situations. Yeah, I think it's a great question. I think, you know, for us, what we ask our players to do, what our mindset is from an offensive standpoint is that we do cause mental stress for those guys that push their limits. We think it gains us an advantage, not just in the formation, but the person else. We expect anybody who has a helmet up to be ready to compete and play, and we wanna use all our guys the best of their ability. And so that is really the mindset, regardless of age or experience, there's a certain criteria, a standard in which we want those guys to uphold. And for us, obviously, as coaches, to make sure they get to and hold them to. But we look at it as an opportunity for those guys to go out and highlight what they can do, but we're gonna push them. We're gonna push them physical, we're gonna push them mentally. And guys understand that they accept it. They accept the challenge. They like the challenge. You can tell by the feedback or how they go out and practice. You gotta be locked in and guys do that. And we appreciate that as coaches. Wait, you're still on script? No, we're off script. Yeah, we're off script. This could go anywhere now. Yeah, this is iCloud, iCloud. All right, here we go. Yeah, yeah, I think another young player that we had just mentioned about, again, we look at him as another piece of the puzzle to go out there and execute what's called upon. If you saw in college how he runs the football, I don't think he changed just because the name on the helmet changed for him. There's a certain level in which we expect him to play just like all our guys. And he's fit that so far. Yeah, I know these guys decently well. Just some of these coaches and the defensive side I've worked with before. I've got a ton of appreciation and respect for Coach Hurt, Coach Desai. You know, they definitely bring a level of Coach Hurt is an intense, smart football coach. And you can see that the way his defense plays. I know when I was with him, I know how he went about his work habits and I appreciate him. And I know that's what he's stressing on his defense. I know Coach Desai who was brought in there. I know how smart he is. I know what he is able to bring to the table. And I think it's for how they're going about their business, it's a very good fit and it's gonna cause and pose a big challenge for us on Sunday.