 So through the pandemic students have been interacting together and with us in a new way, not in a sort of standard classroom environment where maybe the playing field is level or maybe the playing field is not level at all depending on how you look upon a classroom. So my question is, did you get to know your students differently? Did you develop new empathy for your students or understand their lives in new ways because you had to peek into their lives in a new way that's not the same as in a classroom and I'll start that off with with Janna. Do you have any views on insights into your students as a result of the pandemic? I think that we definitely got a better view or maybe just a different view of the students. I know that I met with different students, especially having the experience last March when we switched from in person to online. I met different students, different people would be willing to come to office hours. It was easier for some students to come and pop into the Zoom office hours. We were seeing a bit more of them as a person with an external life. There were more kids joining in, doing work next to them, or being stuck down in a dark basement because the rest of the family was upstairs. And I think it did, it led to a good empathy between the instructors and the students, and it went both ways because they were seeing us as humans who have lives who aren't just living in our office somewhere on campus. They were seeing us as people who have other demands and children sometimes running in to say hello, and we were seeing that as well because it's easy for us sometimes to look at things and think, oh well, it's only an assignment. They have time to do this tonight when, well, if they have three kids that are pulling on them in office hours, they don't have an hour to do it tonight. They'll get it done sometime this week, but they have demands on their time and we do too. It's interesting, it's like you characterize us all as humans rather than titles, because we have these multi-dimensional lives outside of the role that brings us together in this professional environment. What about you, Sean, do you have any new insights into your students? There's a quote from Francis Sue on that that I put in a talk I gave this summer at CMS, right? So in his Math for Human Flourishings book, he says, he says, too often those of us who teach professionally say my job is to teach math, as if teaching math were only about the facts and the procedures. We forget that my job is to teach people whose experiences often interact with mathematics in completely different ways than our own experiences do. And I think that's very true, right? The way the students are experiencing mathematics is different from us as professionals. And even when we were students, a lot of us make the mistake of wanting to teach the way we were taught because the way we were taught, hey, it worked for us, we're here, right? But the way we were taught was probably not very good for a lot of the people that were in class with us. We just, as students, you don't notice that.