 There is a flight of the navigator documentary coming out. You may have heard about it life after the navigator and we are here to tell you everything you need to know thus far in the process. How do we know that? Well, we're making it. We're the ones making it. We should know. Otherwise, there's going to be a big problem. We have been sort of deluge, is that a word? Deluge of emails, lots of emails, deluge emails coming in this week. People saying, can't wait to see this. When's it coming out? What's happening? Well, it would be good to this show rather than our usual format of interviews and other stuff to focus on this because we are actually getting close to a release date. It's very exciting. We've spent the last two years making this film, been on an incredible journey and everybody wants to know more about it. So we thought, okay, time out, stop, handbrake and we will tell you everything there is to know and answer all the emails that you guys have kindly been sending in. So let's get started. So how long is the film going to be? You've been asking. This is a feature length documentary. All of the life after movies were making our full feature length. So it's probably like 95 to 100 minutes. Probably if I get my scissors in there, it would be slightly shorter than she wants it to be because I'm always in there noodling little bits out and she's going, I want to put more in. And in her own way, it would probably be a four hour epic that would give one of the sort of classic David Lean movies a run for its money. I do have a process of putting everything in, taking everything out to try and get it to 90 minutes to accommodate Ash and then really looking at everything I took out, putting that all back in, then it becomes about two hours. And then I chip away and, you know, a nice, a nice duration. I'm MTV generation. So I kind of 90 minutes for me. That's a movie. We have this argument all the time because one of my favorite movies is Goodfellas. So she says, what's the hour and a half you cut out of Goodfellas to be happy with your 90 minute analogy. But I don't know. 90 minutes for me. Lovely hour and a half. Get the movie done. Unless, of course, it is a classic kind of Scorsese movie like Goodfellas, in which case I'm more than happy to sit back for another hour or two. I was looking at the 10 commandments yesterday. Do you know how long that film is? I don't know. Three hours, 40 minutes. Well, there is 10 of them. How long have you been filming for? So I first reached out to Joey in 2017, mid 2017, when if you have seen the news articles, you know that he was in jail at the time. So this is how these are the actual letters I wanted to show. I'm not going to read them. They're private, but actual letters that we became pen pals while he was in jail. There's this interesting story, actually. I may have told this one already and if you've seen it on previous shows, but Lisa was became obsessed with finding where Joey was. And we were driving back from somewhere and she was on literally on a phone trying to find it. She found him. He's in Canada. He's in a jail there and I'm going to contact him. And she just became absolutely obsessed with it. And to her credit, found him and struck up a friendship through sort of pen palling. I will never forget the first voicemail I got where it said, you have an incoming call from Nanaima Correctional Centre. Do you want to say, oh my God. And so, yeah, that's how it started. So then we first met Joe in March 2018 and we have been filming since then. The last time we went to film was November last year, 2019. So you can really get this two year journey in the film of his recovery, which I think has been really lovely. It would be very easy for these films to just very quickly make them in sort of six months and just bash them out. But when you've got such an interesting biographical story, like Joey's or like Sam's or like Noah's or any of the people we're featuring, you have to spend time with them. And to get the totally unhindered access that we have is what makes these films so magical because you get the real story as opposed to some formulaic TV making of where they now type show, which these films are much, much more than that. And you build that trust. Yeah, exactly. So often people ask us how big is your production team? How many people do you have working for you? And we are essentially an army of two. This is it. This is our production team. We're very lucky that because we own our own production company, we have an edit suite, we have camera equipment. We also, between us, we both know how to shoot, edit, direct, produce with, you know, I've been doing this for 25 years, Lisa's been doing it for many years too. And between us, we have that kind of ability. On a production like this, you don't want 10 people turning up for an intimate interview with Joey or to follow him around. You know, you want a small, intimate crew of people that can hang out together. And that's what makes these documentaries so special. If we had a huge crew of hundreds, you wouldn't get that kind of intimacy, would you? No. I mean, it's not easy. You don't want to, you know, but I think being independent filmmakers, you have to be able to put yourself in multiple roles because you don't want to, if you have an idea, you don't want to then have it the first hurdle. Nothing happens because you can't use a basic camera or you can't make the contacts. But there are occasions like when we shot the reunion bit for Navigator and some of the key interviews for Life After Flash, that we do kind of call on favours from DOPs, you know, where we want to make sure we have that additional camera for safety. But yeah, we're in a period of time, really, where there is no longer an excuse for filmmakers. If you, you know, if you actually have got a story that you want to tell, these days you can pick up your iPhone and go and shoot it. You know, back when I started in this industry, you needed a quarter of a million quids of equipment. There was a real barrier to entry to actually get out there and make it happen. Didn't you do previews on VHS? Eumatic, it was basically we started off on New York, to really show my age now, old edit suites and all the rest of it. And DVDs. And DVDs. No, DVDs were much later. So we're often asked, who have we interviewed as part of Life After the Navigator? Well, as many people as possible, really, we have been very lucky to have interviewed many of the cast and crew. We went to Paris to interview Howard Hesseman, Randall Kleiser, who was on board as who is on board as executive producer, was very kind enough to create a reunion in L.A. where we had many of the cast and crew there. We had Clifte Young, we had Veronica Cartwright, little Jeff was there, Albie Whitaker. So we've been really lucky in the people that we've interviewed. And we want to reflect the film as much as possible and have as many people talk about their experiences we can. We're still there are still some people that we're trying to get. We won't mention who they are, but there are still some people that we want to complete it. And again, a big shout out to Randall, because he's been an absolute incredible mentor for Lisa and for helping us in this whole project. Without his help, we wouldn't have been able to do it. And he is a true gent of Hollywood. So we really appreciate him. On that note, I wanted to show this isn't a plug. No one asked me. I went and bought this on my own because I'm a big fan. I just wanted to show this. Randall, who obviously directed Flight of the Navigator, directed Grease among many other films. And I I bought this book that I think without last year and it is amazing. Yeah, it's incredible. That's no plug. I genuinely bought it. I genuinely love it. And I wanted to share it with everyone. Yeah. If you're into this film, this is like the director's notebook, all of his notes on it, how it was made. It really is incredible. But also in this journey, we have not only interviewed cast and crew, but we also interview people close to Joe to tell that side of the story. So we interviewed his mom. We interviewed his friend who went to Norway when they filmed and hung out with him. So there's his acting coach. His acting coach. So there's we're trying to get as many people as possible for the film. So we are also most probably commonly asked, where is the film at and when will it come out? The lockdown has been a blessing in disguise because I've been able to stay in our little edit suite that we have in the house and be editing the film. We have started to actually get into the post side of things. A few people are from life after Flash. I really love working with. So like Toby, who is did the music has come back on board. He started to come up with ideas already. Ed Emerson, who did graphics is coming back on board. We've started looking at name straps, Bob Lindemeyer opening title sequence. And so it's really kind of at that exciting. We're getting the band back together, people. You are. But it's at that exciting stage where you can kind of see it grow from. Edit suite and clips on a timeline to becoming a finished Polish film, which is really exciting. We were hindered with the lockdown where there are a couple more interviews that we were going to do. We had a trip booked for April, but through the magic of technology, we've been able to start doing those digitally. So Kerry Rogers, Jennifer Bradley. Hey, David. Hi. She, we did a lovely zoom interview with her and also Ed Eith. We're doing a remote interview courtesy of his amazing son, Aidan. So we're kind of making it work to be able to get it to a finished product. And on that note, yes, release date. So we are going to be releasing this film around the beginning of November. We'll be doing this year, November 2020. We'll be doing a wide sort of VOD release. We'll have more details on this. It's probably going to be like Amazon Prime initially to buy and rent. And then we'll also have physicals and then we'll be rolling it out. So more on that, but early November. So there'll be time to get those lovely Christmas presents ordered and get your physical copies to give to your nearest and dearest who love Fly Over the Navigator. I will also be showing a current cut to Randall and Joey at some point, but I haven't yet because as you can imagine, it's quite nerve wracking the idea of sending a film to Randall to comment on. So I'm trying to get it as polished as possible and fine-tuned before I send it to him. But it's pretty exciting to have it out this year. You know, that's all we're aiming for. So yeah, hopefully Christmas stockings can be full of this film. So with a Blu-ray release, what is going to be on it? So Asha just mentioned before that the release will be definitely on streaming and we'll definitely have a Blu-ray physical copy for people. The physical copy will have same as Flash Collector's booklet. A ton of bonus features. I mean, my first timeline was about 20 hours of footage. So, you know, there'll be extra kind of deleted scenes and interview anecdotes that aren't in the final cut. So that will be the Blu-ray. We want to put as much information on there as possible and things to see because as fans, we know what we would want. But to keep up to date with everything, social channels are the best way. Apart from this show, LifeAfterMovies.com is the home for all these Life After Films. At Navigator Movie is our Twitter. Life After the Navigator is the Facebook. So if you'd like all of those and follow us then that's where you can get all your information about the film. And also I'm sure there'll be some fun competitions along the way where you might be able to win stuff too. So sign up and subscribe now. Yeah, that's one of the important things if you subscribe to this channel, not only do you get the latest updates and all these amazing interviews, we will probably do like subscriber only competitions and things for that. So it's worth signing up and join our little club. Get on board. Will you be having screenings? Can we come and see this on the big screen? So what's the plan? We hope to. I mean at the moment, we're not quite sure because there's a lot of moving parts that go into a screening but we would love in a perfect world to do a UK screening for fans and a US screening for fans, probably in LA. And also festivals. I mean, the problem at the moment with lockdown is lots of festivals are not having physical festivals. A lot of it's gone online. So we're sort of navigating this space as best we can and more information will be coming out soon. So stay signed up to those channels so we can talk to you. So next question, what has been our favorite experience in shooting thus far? Well, I really enjoyed going to a Gastown district. That was really good fun with Joey. I mean, he took us all round on a tour. Which is Vancouver? In Vancouver, sorry, yes. We saw places that he filmed as part of other films as a young sort of child actor and he took us to all these various haunts and took us around and gave us a ride. And also a look at some of the kind of CD underbelly as well. There was some sides of Vancouver that weren't so pretty when he was sort of on his downward trajectory. Yeah, and I think it's been that, for me, the experiences with Joe for sure in Canada where we've seen, you read articles on the news and see these headlines, but then it's finding out what really happened, which of course the documentary covers. And so we actually went back to the jail with Joe. Yeah, yeah, we did. Which you will see in the film. And it was quite an amazing experience. It's quite a humbling experience because to see people that were still there and to see how Joe mentored and was mentored by other people. And also for me, hanging out with Joe's been really, you don't know how you're going to get on with these people when you start filming, but I've come to count Joe as a friend and I really care about him and really sort of feel for the journey he's been on and constantly sort of thinking, hope he's well, looking forward to catching up with him. And I really enjoy hanging out with him. He's just such a lovely guy. And we tried our first Nanaimo bar with Joe. Which was good. So yeah, definitely all this stuff with Joe. What was the Nanaimo bar then? Remember when we were about to get on the ferry? Or Joe, we were waiting for Joe to get on his ferry and it was like this kind of caramel thing in that cafe where he had his coffee mug? Yeah, of course, that was pretty tasty. There's a photo of us with a Nanaimo bar up now. If you're in Canada, I'm sure you've had one and they're very delicious. So what are your next projects coming up after this one? Well, the fact that we can have this documentary out this year, we hope to, but we will, is really exciting. And so you may be aware that we are doing a third one in the series, Life After A Treyu. We had interviewed Noah on the show. We started filming with him in March. Noah Hathaway, of course, who played a Treyu in The Never Ending Story. I should point that out, but I'm sure you all know that. But again, lockdown hampered all of that, but we still, we still have many plans. We've started to interview some great people. So Life After A Treyu is the third in the series. We have already started filming for a fourth, but we're not gonna announce it yet. And we have motion in the works for... It's kind of works. It kind of works. There's Iron's In The Fire for many other cool projects that I'm sure when you hear you go, ah! Yeah, but all will be revealed on this show and on all our social platforms. So another good reason to subscribe and keep watching this show and we'll be interviewing people from those films on this show as well. So really excited about the series. We love nostalgia, as you can tell. And so it's just our way to celebrate these movies that we grew up in. And just one other note, not a plug, haven't been asked to do it. Again, just wanna share. Flight of the Navigator was re-released on Blu-ray from Second Sight Films. So this is the cool little box set you get. It's pretty cool, huh? You know what would look nice next to this on your shelf? A Life After the Navigator DVD. Book ended. Blu-ray. Book ended, if you know, not DVD, Blu-ray. Yeah, so wanted to just show this again. Super cool and brilliant for any Flight of the Navigator fan. Second Sight Films. We'll be back next week with another interview. So see you next week.