 for Cloud. All right, this is, I'm Jerry Mikulski. This is Inside Jerry's Brain, the Santa Edition, which is bringing what would make your 2019 a fabulous year. I stupidly forgot I have a fabulous Santa hat and left it at home. So I apologize. On the walk here, I'm like, damn it, should have picked up the Santa hat. But there we are. And today is Friday, December 21st. I will go back to screen share in order to talk about mighty networks and Gina Bianchini's sort of social network. And what were you saying? Robert, do you want to jump back in and describe what you were saying a little bit? I have to unmute myself up. Can you hear me? Yes. Yeah, so it's neat. It's an online network that we started using for, we're building several of them. One is for students and others who are interested in each charitable cause. And then we have one for deeper dive, which is students who are interested in the environment, student environmental organizations and others. And it's organized around members and groups, which can be private or open and topics. So in our case, the groups are, in most our cases, groups are universities or cities or companies. And the topics are, for instance, various charitable causes. And within groups, you can also have group topics within those. So it's pretty well organized. It's easy to post stuff and to share. And people get their dopamine hit when they get an email or other notification that someone commented or posted on their stuff. And there's some things that could be a whole lot better and we're bitching about, but that's my nature. And it's nice to go back and find things. Unlike Facebook where it's just this linear feed and then things disappear. Exactly. And then here's Ning. This, remember, many of us remember Ning. It got popped like I am amazingly enough, which is kind of strange. But I had it under online community platforms. Of which there have been many. Lithium is still around, I guess. Most of these are gone, but a couple of them are still alive. And people trying to create an online community are still wrestling with what platform should I use. It's still an open question, which is sort of sad. One of the nice things about this is it's absurdly affordable. So they have a free plan, which is very limited. The one we're on is $16 a month, paid monthly. And then it has everything we need, other than we don't need courses, which some people want, which they built in. And we don't get the analytics. And if we later want courses and analytics, it's about $47 a month. But $16 a month, an unlimited number of users in traffic, it's a great deal. That's $16 per month per community you start? Per site, yeah. Okay, per site, super interesting. Not per group within the site, that's total. We are changing the present with 50 charitable causes within it and hundreds of colleges. Super interesting. Thanks, Robert. Can I type a link into? You bet, there's a chat here. If you can open up the chat, I don't know what device you're using, but the chat is important during the call. So I was so confused by the brain thing. I forgot that I was the bigger container was Zoom, which I've used. I'll paste this in so if anyone wants to look. Perfect, thank you. Yeah, the brain thing is a little confusing, sometimes overwhelming. And because we're in the Santa edition, I have gone to Santa Claus and just for fun, Santa Claus, the myth is based on this notion of Santa Claus, which comes out of St. Nicholas. There's an opposing kind of holiday tradition about Krampus, which is a scary character. They have Krampus laufs. They have basically, in a lot of German towns in Bavaria, they have Krampus nights where these pretty nasty looking monsters walk around and scare the children. That's always fun, right? Santa Claus goes back to St. Nicholas, which who is a saint? I don't have very much on St. Nicholas. I should probably get a little bit more. But then the interesting part about Santa Claus, there's an interesting part of Santa Claus just like there's an interesting background to the game Monopoly. So Coca-Cola actually is responsible for the modern Santa Claus. And the red of his outfit is Coca-Cola red. So Coca-Cola basically figured out to make, what was it, sun bloom? Sorry, my brain is a little, there we go. So they commissioned a fellow named Sonny Sunblom to start drawing a modern Santa Claus because the old St. Nicholas, the old Sinterklaas, was a skinny guy, not a jolly, rolly-poly, ho-ho-ho guy. And so Sunblom is the one who creates the modern Santa Claus. And if you go to the gift store at the Coke company store in Atlanta, you can buy little statuettes of Santa Claus holding bottles of Coke out, which they were selling back in the 1930s. So I've got that under the marketing of our holidays about Valentine's Day, Singles Day in China, which is the largest e-commerce day of the year, every year now because that's so successful as a meme, et cetera, et cetera. So that's stuff I have around Santa. And then Santa is under Christmas, clearly. He's also an uncopyrighted character, so you can mess with Santa Claus, which is interesting, unlike Mickey Mouse, for example. So I've got Christmas under the holiday season, under Christianity, and year-end holidays, I think, should also include Hanukkah, here we go, Festivus, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, and Bodhi Day altogether. Festivus, of course, comes out of Seinfeld and includes the airing of grievances and pizza of strength. So, and the pole, there's a Festivus pole that basically you do something with, I don't know, but I was never much a fan of Seinfeld, but I think our year-end holidays, how we sort of, in our springtime holidays are really fascinating because they go back a long ways to figure out how do we celebrate what it is we're doing. So I'll stop this long tangent for a moment, but what does everybody want from Santa this year? Jump on in. Anybody? Susan, do you have a wish list? What would make your 2019 truly fantastic? Rain. Rain, yes. Lots of rain. Lots of rain for everybody. Yeah. Everywhere. That's the top of the list. Pretty much everything else I want flows from that. So I'm in the Pacific Northwest. We do not perceive a lack of rain. We, there was a bit of a drought in Oregon, sort of, but this is the wet part of the country. Well, you know, I was born there. Ah, Seattle or Portland or wherever. I didn't know that. Right. I had no idea. Yeah. So we don't really perceive this lack of rain so much, but we absolutely, like the last year, one of the things that characterized 2018 was that the United States was simmering in the heat of summer. There were fires everywhere. A lot of the world was suffering climate-wise. And we felt a little bit sort of protected from it here, but I think this is a general purpose good wish to get some rainfall and some protection elsewhere. And it's, yes, here in the San Francisco Bay area, whether, I don't know if anybody noticed, but we were protected from all that heat. There was a, I can't remember the particular configuration of the ocean and the jet stream or whatever it was, but something kept the San Francisco Bay area quite cool. We did not, I mean, you know, 25 miles from here it was hot. If you went west. Exactly. So interesting. This is a, let me just, while we're at it, let me see if I can find it. So I had a call a while ago, which was really interesting. There we go. So I had a call back in 2011, a Yitan call when I was doing the podcast before podcasts were actually cool. And the fellow who joined us was Bill Liao of WeForest and he said something that I found super interesting. That was contrary to my conventional wisdom because I always think that, you know, trees grow where there's enough rain for trees to grow. He was actually saying that trees can create rain, that if you plant trees and you keep moving the margin of where the trees can grow, that trees exhale vapor and bacteria, then that actually precipitates rain. So you can move the rain line by planting trees. And another thought that probably is not a great, you know, a ha to anybody, is that most desertification is manmade. That we've plowed, you know, when you plow you screw up the earth, a whole bunch of interesting things. These are all connected to a nexus that I created, I think early this year, early this year I realized I had a whole series of insights about soil and raising food and agriculture and all of that. So I connected them all to this one thought. So for example, the rules of soil fertility, like disturb your soil as little as possible, is one of the principles of soil fertility. Plowing destroys soil fertility, et cetera, et cetera. Anyway, so maybe we should all go plant a couple of trees to get more rain showing up in the Bay area or something. I mean, what's interesting is, I bet we could be strategic about it and look at weather patterns and look at what areas are drier and what's going on and send people off into those areas to do some tree planting. And that might actually be a fun and useful thing. But if we could collectively steer that kind of activity, it might be really cool. Yes, and there's that wonderful book written by a German, somebody else out in the out. On Trees. On Trees. And Trees, they talk to each other. Oh, of course. They, all of that stuff. The Wood-Wide Web, let me go there. Yeah. I know what you mean, it's a fabulous book. So I've got a bunch of stuff on the Wood-Wide Web because there's also a woman, Susan, something whose name was going to come up in a moment because she's connected to the Wood-Wide Web. Running Zoom and my brain and Chrome at the same time. Yeah. Not always easy on my machine. There we go. So here's the secrets of the Wood-Wide Web. Susan, Suzanne Simard is her name. There we go. And then the book you're thinking about is the Hidden Life of Trees. Yes. Which was written by Peter Woderleben. And he says that trees are social, trees will help an ancient stump stay alive. The thing that got me really interested here was when I realized the role that my Celia play next to Trees. Right? So apparently, and I'm gonna brutally oversimplify the biology here because I am not a biologist, but trees can't metabolize minerals out of soil very easily. They're really good at photosynthesis and that means they can break down H2O and CO2 and a lot of those things and turn them into carbon parts for the tree and so forth. But they're not really good at leaching minerals out of the soil. Guess who is really good at getting minerals out of soil? Mushrooms, my Celia. And so what happens is underground, there's a rhizomal network where the mushrooms are trading sugars for minerals with the trees and there's chemical communication happening down at this layer. But I never realized that without bacteria and fungi, trees couldn't get the nutrition they need. Like they wouldn't be able to grow and develop the way they are because they wouldn't get, they would have less than their US RDA of stuff that they need to actually grow up big and strong. And so that's the opening of the communication channel through which there's chemical signaling about, hey, over at this end of the forest, there's a bug invader or a chemical invader or a fungal invader even, and maybe build some resistance or also what happens is when a tree is dying, it will send a lot of its surplus energy out into its root system to feed other trees. All of that sort of stuff is happening. So here's older trees send nourishment to their offspring. So there's a whole bunch that people are busy researching and discovering in the wood-wide web, which I happen to have been curious about at some point, so I put it in my brain. How about that? And what I can do also is I'll put links in our chat that bookmark what the brain does not let me do today is send you a breadcrumb trail of the things I've been looking at. I can't send you every thought I'm clicking on, but I can occasionally punctuate our chat with the link that I'm on right now. So I just sent you a link to not so much the wood-wide web but the book, The Hidden Life of Trees, which is connected to the wood-wide web, so you can get there on your own if you'd like to. And John Liu is fabulous. Michael, thank you. So let me just go back and find John Liu because he's a part of another thing that I care a lot about. Let me find John. There we go, John Liu Liu. And by the way, I'm sitting here. It's just me and the Dalai Lama. So here's John Liu and here's Green Goal, which is the documentary I think you just pointed to. He is a documentary filmmaker who went out to the Los Plateaux and basically, I'm gonna tell a little story here because I find it absolutely fascinating. And in fact, it's completely related to what we were just talking about, about trees, create water, et cetera, et cetera. Absolutely related. So the Los Plateaux is an area the size of Belgium in the middle of China. In fact, I need to connect the Los Plateaux to China. That's very weird that I don't have it there. I would normally probably connect it to the province of China where it belongs, but I'm not gonna do that right now. There we go, PRC. So I just made that connection. For anybody who hasn't seen my brain before, each node is called a thought because it's called the brain. I can connect thoughts to each other through these three little circles called gates. And to notice that there's three sides, but there's no gate on the right-hand side and you're like, you might scratch your head and go, why isn't there one? And then after you use it for a while and you realize kind of how this works, it makes a lot of sense why it's arranged this way. So Liu goes to the Los Plateaux and he goes over a course of 10 years and he watches as the Chinese government employs the local villagers who are living in a barren wasteland. It is all dust blowing off. Los is very loose, friable earth. And when you remove all of its cover, when you remove the plants, it just blows off. So they had enormous dust storms in Beijing and other places downwind of the Los Plateaux because all the thousand years of accumulated soil were basically blowing off. So they employ the villagers to sit down and start terracing and planting trees and trapping water high up in the hills. And over 10 years, he goes back and he films the same exact places. And they're green now, they're verdant. They're doing really, really well. And there's a woman he interviews and she says, you know, 10 years ago, I was making like 600 yuan a year and struggling like crazy. And now I'm selling apples and I'm making 6000 yuan a year and things are better. And in the meantime, at the beginning, when he gets there 10 years earlier, everybody's emigrating, everybody is leaving the area. And I don't know if people went back or whatever, but it's super interesting kind of how this whole thing plays out in the Los Plateaux. And this whole notion of healing the earth is connected for me to a notion that is sort of called upward spiral. Before you go there, note the difference between the strategy that we took after the Dust Bowl, which was that we tried to stop the proximal cause, which was the wind. Right. We also tried to teach farmers to farm a little differently. That's true. We did. That was about wind. That was about wind control. Exactly. So the shelter belts, I grew up with shelter belts. Yeah. And the best part was the hedge apples. And hedgerows play a really important role. You're totally right. So here's soil conservation. Here's Hugh Hammond Bennett, rather an operation Dust Bowl. I think I need to learn a little more about that. So you were saying, what were they called, wind belts? No. No, shelter belts. Shelter belts. I'm going to just Google that and then put it in later. Right. Because they were made up of three kinds of trees. Yep. There was a lower, a lower set of bushes. Then there was something that grew really fast and then behind it was things that grew more slowly. Yes. Super interesting. And I don't have wind breaks? Seriously. Okay. I've got some patching up to do in my brain here while we switch to a different topic. Let me see. So let me go to wind breaks and then I'll find shelter belts and then we will reach. And hedge apples. Yeah. Hedge apples function the way buckeyes and conquerors do. We threw them at each other. Oh, cool. There we go. So I'm going to put wind breaks in. I'm going to drag. I drag the URL into my brain. I let go and then I wait a moment and I'm going to have to wait like three times as long because we have zoom going. But what I've just done is added this. It picks up the name of the page and the URL and I actually want to put wind breaks opposite wind because there are a way of slowing down the wind. And then under wind breaks, I'll see if a wind break also known as a shelter belt. So I'm just going to go here and call it. And I usually pluralize everything. There we go. And I can, and I don't know whether to connect this to Operation Dust Bowl or not because I need to figure that out. So hold on a second. Let's see if that gives me anything. Dust Bowl Operation Eagle Claw. Nope. I don't get Operation Dust Bowl. Interesting. I don't know why I put that in my brain. I have to figure out if it means anything. Hugh Hammond Bennett. There we go. Part of code name Operation Dust Bowl. So here's Hugh Hammond Bennett. Oh, Susan, what are you holding up? A hedge post. That's a hedge post? Well, the remains of a hedge post. Awesome. Yeah, yeah. Hedge is very strong. Yeah. That's lovely. Hold on. Let me stop sharing and take a closer look. That's beautiful. Thank you. You're welcome. I just happened to have one. And then Michael is pointing out how mushrooms can save the world. That is very likely Paul Stamets' video. Is that right? Yep. And sorry, just because this is a little bit like Stump the Band or whatever in the old Johnny Carson thing. Paul Stamets is super interesting here as well. Mycelia are miracle plants. So mushrooms are the fruiting body of the mycelium plant. And here's Paul Stamets. Here's fungal fantastical, fungal fantastical, the spirit of good. Here's six ways mushrooms can save the world, which is Ted Talk, I think. Yep, it's a Ted Talk from back when. It was, I put it under my favorite video clips and then later learned that plants talk to each other using an internet of fungus, which we were just talking about. But bioremediation, there's a whole bunch of super interesting things that Stamets has been exploring. My only real problem with Stamets is that he is gung-ho about protecting all of his IP and making lots of money from it, which means that he doesn't share his ideas broadly and openly, which makes me a little bit crazy. But that's okay. And my brain is now deciding not to cooperate as much. I don't know why. So let me stop sharing and see what else anybody wants for Christmas. Lauren, welcome to the call. We don't know each other, but I'm glad you're here. Do you have any wishes for Santa? Or do you want to say hi and introduce yourself a little bit? Please be here. I've heard about you from Charles, Charles Glass, I think. Oh, cool. Yeah, he showed me the brain, so I'm really excited to be here. So my name is Lauren Ninyong and I am from Milan. And I live here kind of as a French ex-cat, because my husband is French. And for Christmas, I am looking for a co-conspirator. Then what? For Save the World Plan. Okay, that could be a lot of things. Eric is holding up his hand. I mean, we got volunteers. Can you do you want to describe it? So my basic premise is this is my favorite idea ever, to have kind of like a excuse me. You have small units that are making a little bit of noise, but that's okay. We can still hear you clearly, so we're good. Okay, great. So my idea that I want to explore is to kind of create our own 9-11, like some kind of history changing day where we introduce this like amazing technology that's never been seen and there's like a shift in consciousness that there's some new era that's dawned, that doesn't stem from fear, but some kind of excitement that there's people in the world who are organized enough to actually do this. So I don't even know, we don't even have this technology, but I just love to think about it and how you would plan it. So that's what I'm interested in for Christmas. It's a little bit like a arrival. The movie, did you see the movie with Jodi Foster? Yes, wait, maybe. Does that movie, like there's this big spacecraft that sort of descends to Earth just barely above, you know, above the ground and she's the one who cracks the code about their spiral language that looks like ink flots, remember that one? I think that was not Jodi Foster was Amy Adams, Jodi Foster was contact. Thank you, you're right. Yes, it was Amy Adams, yeah. Amy Adams, exactly. Thank you, sorry. In my brain, it's set up correctly. I should have referred to that one instead of this one, but you're totally right. So did arrival kind of like mesh with this vision you have, Lauren? No, it's more like, if you had like the most famous directors in the world and it were like a world movie. Like hundreds of Game of Thrones quality theatricals of like, just like amazing dramas. I don't know, like you could have us listen, but each locality could take that theme and make it their own. Like it could be like a world truce where like warring factions get together and a performance or a party or whatever. So maybe it's a distributed, participative performance piece that any community could pick up and do, but we all do it simultaneously? Yes, using kind of distributed versioning and media. So there'd be like, so you could actually make footage of all of these events and anyone could take footage together in any way that they wanted to kind of make their own movie from it. So it's not, it wouldn't just be like one movie. Like the way that they make it now, there's just one version of the movie. You have thousands. Agreed, and anybody wanna jump in? I mean, does this idea resonate for others on the call or do you have suggestions for how to go about it? Go ahead, Eric. It reminds me a bit, although on a different scale of the, just next week of the new Peter Jackson documentary coming out about World War I where the Imperial Museum in London gave archival footage to different filmmakers and basically were told do something creative, don't destroy the originals and go. And Jackson's is coming at it and what he happened to do was take that archival footage, clean it up digitally, colorize it, make it 3D, hire forensic lip readers to figure out what the people were saying in the silent footage, hire actors with the right dialects to speak it and I'll know more once I see it next week, but it's only playing around the U.S. on December 27th. It's the only day you can see it. But I'm thinking of that kind of thing if there was certain footage you could put out to lots of people and say, you know, a basic charge of make this into something meaningful for your community in a way to improve its environment, go. And then, because the other piece that comes into me, again, thinking of the analogy is the good folks at Moet and Hennessy and Champagne always makes the world better. But they did a sort of globally sourced, make a 60 minute film about how Champagne makes you happy. And they got tens of thousands of submissions which they then curated into a little film festival and posted and obviously that's very commercially driven but the idea of put a seed out there, put some very basic parameters around it and then say, go. You just need a way when it all comes back to, I think, curate it and distribute it. Here's, they shall not grow old in my brain. This is the documentary he did using archive footage, I think from the Imperial War Museum. So let me actually, because I'm pretty sure I have the Imperial War Museum in my brain. So they basically gave him access to their archives. He hunted down other things but he decided upfront in bulk to just improve all the digitized and upgrade all the footage. He was like, we're not gonna pick and choose. We're gonna take all of this and figure out how to, so what they did was a lot of this footage was shot with people with hand cranked cameras and your hand speed varies. So that's why the walking is her key jerky and it's not all, it doesn't play back always nicely. So they inferred proper timing so they had to reset all these pieces. They had to tween the frames in order to infer broken and jagged areas. They cleaned them up and then they colorized all these things including visiting the sites to get the right greens for the forest, consulting with uniform experts to figure out what color should the buttons be? What color are the metals and the stripes? They really went deep. Then they used lip readers to figure out what some of the people in the scenes were saying and what orders somebody in the background might be shouting at these people there. And then they dubbed those in in the right accents. So if you were looking at the Lancashire footage of the Lancashire regiment, they found somebody to dub in the words in a Lancashire accent. So they got, they really worked hard and then they donated all of the upgraded footage now back to the museum. Then they sat down and picked from that and made they shall not grow old. So it's insane, like the amount of work and that the quality of craft and care that went into this is extraordinary. It's a tremendous, it's war footage. But all of a sudden these people, these characters from 1914 to 1918 go from being stick figures that are walking around like this that don't quite seem human and real and whatever to jumping out at you as if we were shooting the footage today as if it was the Vietnam War or something else like that. You know, so much about war. And I happen to be a bit of an amateur historian about these kinds of things. Actually, let me just connect articles about World War I to articles about World War II just for fun. But this is a whole bunch of things that I've tracked over time about all these different things. Here's World War II. Between the ages of 11 and 16, I was obsessed with World War II. I built little model airplanes. I read books. I did whatever else. So there we are. But there's plenty there. And there's also, are you familiar with the, I almost forget his name. Eric, the guy who did the virtual choir. Eric Whitaker's virtual choir. Lauren, have you seen this? So this is where- He had a TED talk, right? Exactly. This TED talk, right? They all, yes. This TED talk right here, in fact. Yeah, it's definitely a long idea of you basically take an idea and it's, it has to be something that you don't have to coordinate it in a pyramid structure. So I'm actually like trying to create a horizontal information structure through this idea of a day, like a deadline day that we have to like get our shit together by this day. But that, so each locality has their own thing all organizing separately. But how do you shape kind of like mapping structures and the stuff that you need in common? How do you coordinate having any kind of central point of failure, basically. So people have been working on these issues, but it's kind of like blockchain tech-based. I'm trying to figure out how you do that just in a human algorithm. So a couple of things. I just showed you Tiffany Schlain who runs the Moxie Institute. She's the daughter of Leonard Schlain who was a really interesting guy. But she's been crowdsourcing movies, which are not exactly what you're looking for, but she gets thousands of contributors to record a script and send it in. And then she clips that together from a whole bunch of different sources saying something, making a statement for whatever the day is. So cloud filmmaking is kind of what she calls it. Moxie Institute is where she's looking. Then separately, there was a, I wanna know, I wanna try to remember what it was called. That's video editing. There was an open source piece of software that went away, it died. And it really pissed me off that it died. It might've, was it Kaltura? And it really pissed me off because this video editing had open source project, media players might've been this one. I'm not sure. I have to kind of look around a little bit more. But it had the feature where all of the media elements were basically sourceable from anywhere. So as you were assembling your video that you were going to share, this clip could be from YouTube over here. This could be music from over here. This could be an image from over here. It was, a movie was sort of like assembling a webpage and you could offer up all the parts for editing for anybody. So somebody could remix your movie and make it differently. Another movement that's a little bit like this is hit record or hit record, which is Joe Gordon Levitt's thing. I don't know if they're still around or still doing things, but this was super interesting where they were crowdsourcing movies. I went to look at hit record and the problem was that most of their movies were kind of trivial. But I was really interested, could I offer a script or a skeleton of a movie into hit record or hit record? I guess it's called. That other people could then make much better because other people would be more capable of editing. So here by the way is Joe Gordon Levitt and his brother, burning Dan Gordon Levitt. Here's his Twitter address and then here's some of the movies he's been in. So he was an Inception, Lincoln, Looper, Snowden, The Walk. Inception also has, of course, Leo DiCaprio, Michael Cain, Michael Cain was in a whole bunch of movies including The Cain Mutiny, The Italian Job, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, which was a pretty damn funny con movie. So it's a con game movie that is like The Sting, Trouble in Paradise, Nine Queens. If you haven't seen Nine Queens, don't see the American remake. See the original Argentine version with subtitles. Nine Queens is fabulous because Ricardo Darín is a fantastic actor. Watch anything this guy is in. With that, I end this non-sponsored digression. But definitely watch Nine Reinas. It's really phenomenal. It's the perfect con game movie. Anybody else have Christmas wishes? Well, not a Christmas list, but a comment on that idea of a collaborative creative effort and film where you took it. So just as a quick side note, there's a film in 1932 called If I Had a Million. And the premise is a dying tycoon has a bunch of ingrate kids. So instead of giving his money to them, he gives a million dollars to each of eight randomly chosen people. And a different director directed each of those eight pieces. The WC Fields is one of the stars of one of the eight. Cool, I am now looking it up. I'll go back to screen sharing in a second. I'm gonna add it to my brain while we're talking just because that's what Inside Jerry's Brain is supposed to do. If I had a million in 1932. There you go. So it turns out I just looked it up. I do not have it in my brain. So let's see. Ernest Lubitsch, there were seven directors? What? How does this work again? So the basic premise, what you start with is the dying tycoon. And then he picks a name from a phone book like this. And then the next segment of the film is produced by one of those, created by one of those directors who shows the scenario of who that person is and what they do with the million dollars. Cool. And it comes to the conclusion and then it goes back to the main setting and he picks another name from the phone book and goes off to the next director's segment. That is totally brilliant. That is brilliant. So I just noticed that Gary Cooper was, it stars Gary Cooper, it says on here and I knew I have Gary Cooper in my brain. So it's a 1932 film. It's just a drama, is that the plot? Yeah. Cool, so I will add it to dramas, which has a lot of movies in it. As you can see, these are all siblings. And then Lubitsch, I think I have in my brain, let's find out. Yep, there's Ernest Lubitsch. So I just made a connection to the director, Ernest Lubitsch, who was one of the seven directors. He also directed Trouble in Paradise, which I think is a movie we were just looking at, right? Con Game Movies, how about that? Very funny how small and circular the world is, isn't it? So Ernest I already had, I won't go through all seven, but I'm very tempted to because I love doing things like this. Let's see if we have Norm Tarrag, I don't have Tarrag. So I'll do one more just for fun. And I think I have Charles Lawton, let's find out. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I have Charles Lawton. He's a pretty famous actor from back in the day. I don't have any other movies of his, but he was married to Elsa Lanchester who wrote Charles Lawton and I because I think he went crazy or something like that. I don't remember what the story was. But let me add Norman Tarrag just for Grins. Wait until my browser goes to Norman Tarrag. I will just drag his icon into my brain. Wait a second. I'm pulling him under if I had a million because that's how it works. And then I'm just gonna drag him over here because I always put directors to the left of their movies. And then I'm gonna connect him up to the thought directors. Bing, bing. So everything is moving a little slower, like half time for me. I mean, 2X for me. Usually when I do this is pretty quick. He was also a screenwriter. He wrote second youngest person to ever win the award, blah, blah, blah. Oh, he did Boys Town, which I'm pretty sure I have. So let's connect him just for now to Boys Town. Nope, don't have Boys Town. That is crazy that I don't have Boys Town. Okay, sorry, need to fix that. Anybody else wanna put a different birthday wish? Sorry, Santa's list wish into our conversation while I'm adding Boys Town because I'm embarrassed I don't have Boys Town in here. Jerry, I just wanna say if you're gonna have Charles Lawton you have to put witness for the prosecution, which is perhaps his best movie. Fabulous. 1938 film. 38. This is a biographical drama. So this is Biopics. So I have a whole bunch of, so this is all Biopics. Beautiful mind, a private war, a quiet passion, a Gora alive, all that jazz, all the money in the world, American Made, American Sniper, Black Clansman, Bar Fly Awakenings. So Black Clansman is a movie by Spike Lee, just came out this year about a guy who goes and engages clan people, but he's black, really interesting. Oh yeah, that is me. Pardon? Yeah, it's an interesting story. Yeah, and so here's Spencer Tracy, who I know I have in my brain, so I'm gonna add Spencer for Boys Town. Mickey Rooney, of course I have Mickey Rooney, so let's make that connection. And I'm going to connect it to Father Edward Flanagan, because this is a biopic and this is who it's based on. So I'm gonna wait until we get Edward Flanagan, and he was a priest, and he had an orphanage. So here's Edward Flanagan. I put, if the movie is derived from somebody's life, I put the person above. I have, of course, a thought priests, and then of course I have a thought this is not pretty, but I've been tracking the Catholic abuse scandals and tracking articles about him and everything else. And so there's a whole bunch of material here, which I won't get into, but he ran an orphanage known as Boys Town, which I will now put in my brain above Father Flanagan, and I think I have orphanages, which is sad, but let's find out. Orphanages, there we go. And I have it, but I noticed that I don't have it linked to, I don't have it linked to the Wikipedia definition for orphanages, so I'm going to do that. There we go. Grab it, and then I'm gonna put it on top of the thought orphanage, so that it adds itself to an already existing title. So now this W just showed up because I just added the page for orphanages to my brain. Now, witness to the prosecution, was it, for Charles Lawton? Witness to the prosecution, and I just recently advised a consent with Henry Fonda, which was really amazing to watch because it's so timely to see people in government who care, which brings me to my Christmas wish, which is I like some adults in the White House. The last one just left. Yeah, that's why I want more. The last one just left, it's bad, things are bad. It's very bad, it's very bad. Witness for the prosecution is here. Lawton was in a lot of movies, so I'm embarrassed that I don't have him connected to those, but right now we're gonna fix witness for the prosecution by dragging it in. It's a courtroom drama with film noir elements. Billy Wilder, damn. Yeah, it's like fantastic. You'll love it, it's fantastic. So, I've got... I'm gonna get a Dietrich Sinnet thermo and power. Here's Billy Wilder. And Billy Wilder, I already have for Sunset Boulevard the apartment, double indemnity, death mills, the tortoise moulin, the best years of our lives, and let's go back to witness for the prosecution. And this is a, I don't know if I have court room... I don't have courtroom dramas, I just have dramas, so I'm gonna connect it to dramas. Got to spell it right. And then, who else was in, Marlena? Marlena Dietrich and Tyrone Power and Elsa Lancaster. Yes, and Elsa is Charles' wife, right? Yes, they were each other, there's beards. Mm, that's right. I think the best thing I ever saw Charles Lawton do was a description of how a fan had accosted him with, I love all your films, Mr. Lawton. And he said, which ones? And she said, well, really like witness for the prostitution. And then he led her down a cascade of, did you like the scene where he was peering through the keyhole? Brilliant stuff. You won't find that, I'm afraid it was a live broadcast about 40 years ago. Man, so I don't have Tyrone Power in my brain, that's terrible. You do, sir. It's all in there. Ever since you've been in there. I need to fix Tyrone Power not being there, there we go. And then, I need to add beard, because I thought I had it, but I don't. Let's see if Wikipedia knows anything about the cultural use of the word beard as a protection mechanism. Here we go, beard disambiguation, let's go there. Places people companion, usually opposite sex companion used to conceal infidelity, or to hide the fact that one is gay. So I'm going to go to beards. I'm going to go add beard companion under that, because it's basically metaphoric. And then I'm going to connect that to Charles Lawton. And also, his wife, same thing, it was like mutual. Yes, as far as I know. Awesome, and there's plenty more of you, but I'm- Of course, also Lancaster was the bride of Frankenstein for those who are not familiar. Right. I think, do I know that? I'm going to find out if I know that now. Look, so I apparently knew that. All right, history, see also, but here, here we go. Rock Hudson, for example. Phyllis Gates acted as a beard to hurt damage there. So I'm going to add Phyllis Gates to beards and then connect her to Rock Hudson, where Hudson wasn't the beard, but she was his beard, right? This must be three degrees of freedom or something, is it? This winds up feeling a little bit like that after a while, it's very true. So here's Rock Hudson, AIDS victims. He was in the star system. I don't even have any of his movies there, but yeah. All right, so, advice and consent, cool, cool, cool. I missed something at the very end. Hey, Jean, welcome to the call. Glad you're here. Do we have any more Christmas wishes? Robert, we can't hear you. You are muted. Yep, now, now. Yeah, yes, we can hear you now, perfect. And this actually has a Christmas theme. Jerry, you know about what I'm working on. I don't think, I don't know that any of the others do. And I'll mention, and if this is of interest, I'd love to talk further with people about it later. So on the Santa theme, the problem that we have a nonprofit is called changingthepresent.org. The New York Times called it an Amazon.com of the nonprofit world. And our goal is to channel to nonprofits, all of which desperately need more money, some of the $450 billion that Americans spend each year buying birthday wedding and holiday presents. And some of those presents are wonderful and a lot of it is a waste of money. When my grandfather turned 90, he didn't really need any more sweaters, but I needed to show my love, so that's what I did. There's the beginning of a trend of people showing their love by making a meaningful donation in their friend's name instead of buying them more stuff. And the nonprofit that pioneered this and really proved the opportunity is one called Heifer International. You probably know the catalog of farm animals. A friend said, I didn't just give $20 to Heifer, I bought my wife a flock of ducks for a family in India. They make it feel like a gift. It's tangible. There's a story, there's a picture, there's a greeting card. More nonprofit, by the way, they raise $110 million a year for farm animals of the developing world. And we saw them thought, gee, more nonprofits should make the experience feel like a gift. And they could capture some of that $450 billion for hunger and cancer and the environment and all sorts of other causes. And it's just too difficult for them to make it feel like a gift, right? And you can say it'd be tangible, you need greeting cards, ideally personalized ones, wish list, registries, gift cards, on and on and on. And we've only found 12 nonprofits with anything resembling a gift-like experience. Two with wish list, three with gift cards and zero with personalized printed greeting cards. So we set out all that. And we see our role as threefold. One is to facilitate this type of fundraising for nonprofits. The second is to enable that type of alternative gift giving for people who want to give or receive meaning instead of stuff. And third is use the platform, use the website as a platform to promote the social norm. You don't need to go shopping to show your love. Instead, one thing you can do is make a difference in the world and we'll package that experience to feel like a memorable gift that you can share with your friends. We're not naive. We're not gonna put a dent in Macy's in the mall. But the smallest sliver of $450 billion now spent on presence would be a lot of new money for nonprofits. So we're in an early, we have great board of advisors, people like the head or former head of UNICEF, Sierra Club, Sesame Street, Ashoka, Amnesty International, people like Esther Dyson. And we've got 400 nonprofits on the site. We've got some really nice press. We're still at a very early stage. We have a lot to do and relationships are trying to build and introductions who want and celebrities who want to connect to and funders that we need to connect to and on and on. So if anyone's interested in what we're doing, I'd love to general comments now, but then I'd love to connect offline and be predived later. Is there something specific that you could ask? Like a particular thing that would be super helpful to specific? One thing that'd be super helpful that specific is if you could make an introduction to Peter Buffett. And then I know that you've met with him a year or two ago. I'm probably five years ago and he hasn't been very good about replying to me since then, but I'm happy to try. Okay, but the big needs are, and I'm gonna put a page on the site, which I'll share with anyone who's interested about the different types of things we're looking for, because this covers lots of different causes. So we want ways to reach people, which is everything from media to social media to strategic partnerships, et cetera, connections to celebrities because they get a lot of attention and people follow them, connections to funding sources. So it's not just a short list of a couple of things and everyone on this call may have a totally different area where they might be able to help. Super, thank you. Ken, thank you for adding Siva to the chat because I didn't have enough on them and I didn't have them connected right. So Robert, while you were talking, I was curating a little bit and that led me to blindness and that led me to willful blindness or willful ignorance, which is under emotion and membership Trump's reason most of the time, which is one of my major logics for why people are sticking to Trump. And there's a whole bunch of interesting things going on there. So here's, for example, go ahead. And Siva is great and they're one of the 400 nonprofits that we started with. So here we go. The chat thing, go here where you go. Cool. All right. Restore blind person's eyesight for $50. Give it as a gift. You and your friend, much warmer than a sweater. I love it. Eric, anything that would make 2019 like fantastic? Is there, you're muted right now, but do you have a Santa's list? I do and it, I think relates directly to what the experience of this call has been. One of the little watch words I've been carrying around myself since this has been a year of great output just finishing a book and doing a lot of teaching and speaking is that quality output requires three to five times quality input. And so I would love, I need to find a way or catch up with the technologies that allow for efficient curation of that input and intelligent processing of it. I mean, you've been doing it in real time here in your brain to a certain extent. There is just, you open the spigot and there's so much good stuff to bring in. And I'm, if I were to solve that problem for me, I would love it. What do you watch you guys have them working with? If Feedly's still around or whatever kinds of things you're using beyond the brain, let me know. Yeah, some people are using Pinboard, which is sort of the inheritor of Delicious, right? Because Delicious was a really, really nice bookmark sharing community. It died, Yahoo bought it with a black thumb, killed it. And then you would think Delicious is a really simple thing to host run and that Josh Schachter, who founded it, would go back in and, no, not them, so dead. So that's kind of gone over to Pinboard, which some friends of mine are friends of Pinboard. I'm, of course, fan of this brain thing, which I think you know, you can browse it for free, right? Okay. I do. Awesome. Thank you. And send me stuff and say, hey, I noticed you don't have very much about X and I will write you back, either saying, thank you, I've added it, or hey, you missed it, it's over here. Which happens now and then as well. It's kind of fun. Okay, you know, it's a pretty good book, social bookmarking site, Howard Reindold in particular has a lot of curated stuff on Digo. So periodically, and here's literacies of cooperation, for example, or stuff about social media. Okay, great. Thank you. I've been a Digo user for years and I'm currently migrating it off. To where? Where? The brain. Ah, okay. After 21 years of my love, hate relationship with the brain, I finally got it figured out that it was the wrong perspective. So I think you said that you had it uninstalled and uninstalled it like four or five times in those 20 years? No, probably more like 15 or 20. Wow. It's like an addiction. Yeah. I get disturbed with it, I uninstall it and then I turn around and it's back again. But I live in Chrome, okay? There is nothing on my system. Everything is out on the network someplace. You're on a Chromebook? No, in the Chrome browser, but on a PC. But like I can go to anywhere else and go to work. I mean, so, but, and I liked Digo because of the way it integrated into Chrome. So that when I did a search in Chrome, it also showed me all of my Digo leaks that were already curated in one way or another. So though the problem was that I was upset because the brain was someplace else I had to go look for stuff. And then I realized that the problem was I need to live in the brain as opposed to Chrome. So that the brain is the place that I live now and everything else is from there because on lots of instances, the stuff that I'm looking for shows up in the right hand window in the brain as opposed to having to go somewhere. Now, I still like Digo because it allows me to annotate web pages and PDF files. I mean, people send me things to review and after I review the PDF and put all these comments and I just send them a link so that all of the highlights and comments that I thought about when I was reviewing it are in there. So I have a lot of links in my brain now that are links to PDF files and Digo. So Digo is not gonna completely go away. It was just a different way of viewing the best way to operate. So the brain may be here to stay this time. Awesome. Any way I can be helpful? LMK as they say. Okay. And I'm just showing everybody Howard Reingold and I'm looking for his literacies of cooperation. He's got a bunch of stuff in there. Here we go. Cooperation studies. This is all, these are all Howard's posts. Here, this is probably the best starting point. So I need to grab the URL from down here. Paste it into our chat. This is the literacies of cooperation and then I'll send a link to that spot in my brain. So you can follow that. Oops, that didn't copy properly. I think I went too quickly. Jerry, did the stuff get sent out from the last session? Did I miss it or did it go out? You know what? It may have been sent out from the last session only in my brain here. Cause I thought I did, but this morning I woke up going, did I actually send that? So let me, I'll double check. I think I did not. You mean the last Inside Jerry's Brain call? Yeah, I will check. Anybody else? Got my wish. I unfortunately have to drop off to do a coaching call. So happy holidays everyone. Thank you and see you in Jerry's Brain of the new year. Thank you for joining us. Really appreciate it. Nice to see you. I do have a pursuit for the next show. Go ahead, Michael. No, I'm counting on Gene. You got it. I have adopted a whole food plant-based lifestyle for the fourth time. And hopefully we get it to stick this time. Okay. I mean, it's not, I finally met with the wellness people at the hospital. I mean, I understand why AA works and why diet programs that work actually work. It's because of people staying on track and employing the support system. So I now have one. It's not a need of convincing me that it makes sense because the last 50 books and the last 250 papers are convincing enough. So I'll let you know. So what's your wish list item? To do the right thing. They asked me to have it at the hospital. They said, what's your objective? And I said, to do the right thing. And if I do the right thing, I'm likely to lose weight, but losing weight is not the objective, okay? So, cool. There is a, you know, the adage in marketing. Sell the benefits, not the features. And the best example I know of that is the title of the book about a plant-based diet, which is a book called How Not to Die. I read that one. Ah. Did you like it? Yes, I did, very much. Sounds like false advertising to me. I'm currently reading The Start Solution by McGregor. I'll take a look. You got me looking in my brain. I don't have How Not to Die, which is terrible. And I don't have The Start Solution. So I got some work to do. I will go back to the screen. Are there things that you choose not to put in your brain? Oh, yeah. My brain is, to me, the long-term repository of things worth remembering. So I try not to put ephemera. I mean, I was just, actually, I was just thinking about this in the shower this morning. My brain is not a compendium of everything that I saw. It's not, you know, it's not life-logging. It's not everything that happened in front of me. And it's also not my to-do list. It's also not my calendar. It's also not the way I do outlines of essays or whatever else I'm trying to do. I don't put them in the brain. I'll do an outline in an outliner or in Google Docs or somewhere else, and I'll keep a link to that outline as the basis of the document. I'll put that in my brain. So the brain is like this curated space for things worth remembering and things that might be useful to others. And that's my threshold. And if it isn't worth remembering, then probably it's just gonna clutter the brain. So why put it in? So there's always an editorial judgment. That said, when you get down to the nitty gritty of events day by day, so I'll click here on year two of the Trump administration, which, you know, I'm pretty soon, I'm gonna be going to year three of the Trump administration. But, you know, let's see, his perverse advantage, Donald Trump's radical honesty, the Dow falls 2000 in February. Well, right now we're in bear market territory. Government shuts down. Some of these are a little too day-to-day. Some of these are very much about current events and so forth. But in many cases, I keep them because they had insights in them or they gave texture for what was happening. And to me, the texture of the moment is really interesting because one of the weird things about history is the further back you scroll in history, the less you realize that their day-to-day was just like our day-to-day. Like, you know, we look back on some large event and we only see the large event as a big clump, but it turns out that week-to-week in the run-up, there was somebody betrayed somebody and somebody made the news because this and some other thing happened. And, you know, if you go back to Egypt, if we could only read the news feed for, you know, what was happening in one of the dynasties in Egypt, it would read very much like our news feed now. They just didn't have the technology. But a lot of insight comes from the texture. Like, you begin to understand why some of the players acted the way they acted when you can get under their skin a little bit through reading as close as possible to the ground in that time. Does that make sense? What's relevant is relative. Yes, absolutely. And my brain only claims to be my own perspective on what I see and what I care about. And it's intentionally my own perspective. So I like that about it a lot. Other thoughts? I'm going to go ahead and add how not to die. A thought on the everyday texture of the moment. And it sort of repeats, yes, it's all relative, except what's surprising is if you go back the same things. So I was just going to call people's attention to Sid and Claire Lewis's, It Can't Happen Here. It reads like, it just reads like today. It's quite amazing in its everydayness of our life now. Absolutely. So it all speaks to the need to find a new narrative. You know, I'm delighted to get the nostalgia of 30s videos and films, generally. But that was then. And where we need to be now, this is my year. My year wish is the year of fruition, bearing fruit. And I'm talking about the sort of the biological level of creativity, the things in marriage. So I'm very excited by the mushroom stuff, the mycelium. We need a mycelium at a social level that is a fast, short, simple, quick meme transfer. You know, if you've got to move memes through the cycle, I do it because I see you do it, but then I get somebody else to do it because they see me do it. That replication rate in its frequency and its effectiveness is critical. And I think if we're going to find a cooperative context for our planetary process, it's going to be because there's a meme of cooperation is easily and quickly disseminated and fulfilled. Not just a story, not just a video, a whole video world of, I wouldn't call it Game of Thrones myself, but something like that, you know, Lauren's proposition about media, but media that shows us what's going on. I mean, basically for me, it's about the circularity of society and behavior and containment and responsibility and localization and responsible globalization. And that's for me all about circular money, which is my gig. So the subplot would be the end of the silver bullet and the time to get the lead out. Which is ironically what's happening to bullets right now. The bullet makers are being convinced to get the lead out quite literally because it's poisoning wildlife and hurting them when they eat the game they've shot, et cetera, but that's like a simple sub narrative. But go ahead. But it's an accurate sort of metaphor, like I've been talking about the problems with money and what could be done for about 30 years now. And I keep getting told, oh, if you think you have a solution, then you're deceived by your silver bullet. There is no simple solution. This is a wicked problem. Therefore it requires multiple cross-referenced solutions. There is no one thing that will make a big difference. Screw that bullshit. When you've got lead between your ears, when you've been shot dead with so many bullets from the conventional money system, you don't need a silver bullet. You need to just get the lead out. You need to stop your dependence upon linear money, extractive money, capitalist money. By picking up something which, as Buckingham Fuller said, does a job better. So fruition of circular money as a realistic, powerful and immediate concept on a global level, that's my wish list for the year. Michael, would you do a call on Jerry's brain about that? I would love to hear more about that. Delighted, delighted. So Michael, why don't you send me a one paragraph description with some precision of what you would like to have the call be about and I will set that up first week in January or whatever. Delighted, sure. Let's do that. I love that. I'm talking about for one paragraph at a time. It's exciting. Yes, okay, thank you. Yeah, thank you. And I was just showing Michael in my brain. So a bunch of the work he's done, I probably am missing a couple of things. I'll go back to him as soon as I finished adding the start solution, which I just did. One question, Jerry. Do you have a connection to Rush Coff and myself? That was Rush Coff. Between the connection for both of you? Yeah. I have both of you in my brain for sure, but I don't think I have a connection between you. Well, there we go. So, Doug. In 2011, you facilitated a conversation with Doug and I had, if you recall. I'll send you the link on that. Thank you. What were the, do you remember what words it might have associated with? Because it's very likely it's actually in here someplace. We had a U10 call on Occupy Wall Street back when that he was in. Yeah, I know. I'll bring it up. I've got it in my phone. Thanks. Thanks. Thank you. It's funny because sometimes in my brain, like I can tell that Doug and I were both at a conference called The Future of Money in 2010 that was hosted by, I think, the Institute for the Future. Is that the one I'm thinking about? No, this is a different event, which is, I think, where I met Michelle Bowens, who's also super interesting on these topics, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, I've got it here in the chat for you. Thank you. And someone has named yet another book I don't know about The Fate of Empires, so I'm looking that up. That's, it's not a book, it's a paper, and that's a link to my DIGA library. Got it. I pulled that up because of the comment about cycles repeating. Yep. Thousands of years of history repeating over and over and over again. But it's a short paper. It's like only 20 pages long. One of the things that's interesting is, and here's a way to love Google, is I just Googled The Fate of Empires and I got a different book by a different person. So here's a book by John Hubbard, which is not what you're saying. Here's the paper you're talking about by John Baggett Glob. Do I have Glob in my brain? I can easily find out. So I don't have John Baggett Glob, which is something I will fix. But then it turns out that there's an hour and a half talk by somebody, Red Air, on YouTube about it. And, or here's the, I don't know if this is related. Clearly this is related to the paper. And so sometimes what I'll do is I'll add a bunch of stuff to my brain, but I'll go watch a video before or instead of reading the book, because if the video's pretty good, I can get the gist of it without putting in the 15 hours to read the book or whatever. Go ahead, Gene. I almost always go to YouTube first. Looking for an interview with the author or the author doing a TED Talk or something for the same reason that you mentioned, because I can't remember the last time I actually finished a book, because people keep saying you gotta read this book, you gotta read this book, and they're just not enough hours. Yeah, they all chain together after a while. I have a whole lot of half finished books in my actually Kindle reader, because I only now buy physical books if there is no Kindle version. I'm afraid that I've kindled my library. So here's John Baggett-Glob, who also was known as Glob Pasha. Really interesting. Seriously. The world is full of so many fascinating humans. All right. We are close to the end of our time for the call. More subtle than search. Let's see if I have that in my brain. Oh, that's fun. So this will please you, Michael, although it will not please any of us that I couldn't find it right away, but that post was already in my brain. I'm linking the two. Thank you. Yep, yep. So it existed in there, but it was buried. It was basically, if I was looking at you, and the brain does not let me say, I cannot run a query in my brain that says, are there any thoughts that connect Michael Linton to Doug Rushkoff? I can't do that. Yeah, at least I don't know a way to do that. So that was right here, visible to us, but it was not easy to see that Doug was there. There is a way to do second degrees in this view. I could turn on, show me the next links out. So a whole lot of small text shows up. I never do that. It slows everything down. It's a little too much info on the screen, but if I had had that turned on, we might have been able to squint and see Doug's name show up next to that link, right? But anyway, so set operators don't really work here. I can't do, show me where this intersects that. And never mind, show me Michael Linton's brain and my brain in what areas do we both have a lot of similar thoughts, that kind of thing, that doesn't work. Which is a great shame as far as I'm concerned. And the other thing I find really useful in the brain is right after I enter a thought, hit F4. And what does that do? Brings up a Google search. Oh, around that thought. Right. And that particular feature is reconfigurable so you can explicitly search in specific places if you want to. Fascinating. So if I specifically want to search in Amazon or in a couple of other libraries, I've reconfigured my F4 so there are multiple options. Very cool. One thing I still don't have and can't easily do is a keyboard shortcut to take whatever page I'm looking at and flip it into the brain, wherever I'm looking in the brain. I don't have a quick keyboard shortcut, I'm still dragging manually the link, which is pretty silly. And I've asked for it a bunch of times, but never seems to quite work. Are you using the new version with Brain Box? I'm, yes. I'm loving that feature. Interesting. So Brain Box is like an email address you can send a link to. And then when you're in the brain, you open up the Brain Box and then you can basically harvest from there and go add things to the brain, right? Right. And they now have it working with the iOS app and shortly they'll have it working with the Android app. Oh good. That's good. I never, I almost never edit my brain on iOS. I pretty much don't touch it. Right, but I do a lot of wandering on my phone. Yeah. And I'd like to grab those links. All right, currently I'm stuffing them someplace else. I'm stuffing them in Digo. Yeah. And I have to bring them over from there. Yep, cool. So you can just flip them into the inbox, into the Brain Box from Digo and then boom, boom, boom. That sounds very like a quick way. Any last words or wishes before we wrap this call before the holidays start in earnest, besides we're all... My wish is for everyone to have a great holiday and a great 2019. Thank you. A long way. Next Tuesday. Didn't hear what he said. I said, are we meeting next Tuesday? Next Tuesday I think is occupied. I don't know. But you know, but I'll probably put up an IJB call for next week sometime, because some of us will enjoy getting together and having a conversation like this. So if you have a topic that's burning, that sounds like a good topic for an Inside Jerry's Brain Call, send me an email and I might actually use that for next week or I'll think of something else. Lauren, thank you for joining us. Really appreciate you being here. Yeah, me too, it was fun. Thank you. Thanks everybody. Happy holidays. Thanks Jerry. Happy holidays. Take care, happy solstice. All right. Happy holidays. Happy solstice especially, yeah.