 Episode number four of the Anthony Anderson show is brought to you by usgoldcoins.com. That's 1-800-HOTCOIN and MEZZYGRIL, that's MEZZYGRIL.COM and MOUNTAX.COM, that's M-T-G-O-X.COM. Hey everybody, this is Anthony coming at you live from New York City and I have a very special guest today and this guest is not only a, in my opinion, a leader in the field but also a really good friend. So her name is Debbie Young and she's joining us from Pasadena, California today. Hey Deb, how are you doing, sister? Good! So Deb, well I want to leave you to tell your story. You have a really interesting path that's very inspirational and it's really a good lesson in self-teaching and self-exploration. So if you want to just give us a little rundown about yourself and then we'll go from there. Okay, well I am a mom and I was that mom of two beautiful girls, 120 and 110 and I, by trade, I am in the beauty industry. I've been a hairdresser for a long time. Matter of fact, I'm your personal hairdresser. It is true, this is true. And I chose to stay at home with my daughter when she was about a year old and ever since then I've been very active and involved and I had a checkup when I was about 47 and found out that I have a form of leukemia. It's called chronic lymphocytic leukemia and at the time I was in a really sort of a high stress part of my life had been through a lot of loss and just a lot of things going on and didn't handle that all that well when I found that out and was mostly concerned that I wouldn't be around for my daughter. The prognosis, it's a form of leukemia that's very slow moving and my doctor, my oncologist, said all the markers were good but yet he gave me a prognosis of seven to ten years of life. Having a six year old at the time, it's just, it just was not, I couldn't even fathom not being here for her. So I started answering what I like to call cancer college. I went on Google, I went online, I read every book, I tried everything to heal myself and see if I could figure out what would work to bring me back to a healthy state of being and about six months after I got diagnosed I started on a raw vegan diet and that's one of the reasons I got to meet you, just wonderful and a lot of amazing people in my life that are still in my life and by adopting the raw diet and specifically raw vegan diet within five months I was able to reduce my white blood cell count in half. Okay. It still wasn't normal but it went from about 29,000 which is about triple normal to about 15,000. How did you feel when you got those results? Oh I was ecstatic. Yeah. You know when you get a diagnosis like this you kind of go from a high to a low in other words you get hope from something and then all of a sudden you'll read something else it says well most people with this disease die within two to five years and you dissolve into tears and for me it wasn't an option to just take what the doctor gave me there's no treatment there's no cure so it was all on me and that's really the hidden blessing in all of it. Through raw veganism when I saw that I was getting better I just went further and further along and out about the two-year mark with really steady good blood tests I decided to kick it up and kind of really went hardcore and did a lot of things that in retrospect I think actually ended up damaging my health and so after six months my blood test actually got worse. I was in my opinion underweight I had lost fat but I lost a lot of muscle and at my age and and with my illness it's not that's not a good thing so I sort of again went back to the search and tried to find new ideas about healing and new things that maybe I had sort of shunned from the raw vegan standpoint. Right. So that's sort of like where it all started. What was the entry why did you choose raw veganism as your first new dietary style after your diagnosis? That's a good question I investigated macrobiotics and I found that that even though I bought all the beans and the rice and I just it just didn't resonate with me. I discovered a lot of the things I discovered were online. I discovered through Chris Carr's book Crazy Sexy Cancer she's a very strong advocate of the vegan and raw vegan diet juicing wheat grass things of that sort and also the other side of it which is meditation and taking care of your body and your and your emotional state and reducing your stress of I think that was also key for me doing meditation doing affirmations doing affirmations meaning visualizations of my favorite one I'll share with you is that I'm a hundred years old and there's a huge party in Griffith Park and all my children are there my grandchildren hopefully great grandchildren and we're gonna go on a hike and I'm leading it and no one can keep up with me so I would visualize things like that visualized about every 10 years what am I gonna do when I'm 70 what am I gonna do when I'm 80 90 a hundred I usually stopped at a hundred cuz I didn't want to get too greedy you know but through Chris's work and then I branched out into things like your meal fruits give it to me raw we like it raw a side to your side Anthony my friend Alyssa with Guler's kitchen just sort of kept making friends making friends went to raw spirit to see Chris speak met you and and many others on that influenced me and just you know kept trying to find out what was the optimal diet and I have to admit for a while I felt great but by the end by the by probably around the the two two and a half year mark I started having a lot a lot of problems besides the blood count I had digestive issues I had skin issues horribly I had a red rash around my mouth and my eyes actually when I met you I had it that would not go away and now that I'm in in retrospect I really believe it was some kind of vitamin deficiency perhaps or even say spirulina or something I've heard of certain foods that I was eating a lot of causing this type of rash I had you know like I said gotten too thin in my opinion I was having a lot of digestive trouble so I really feel now that my gut was not functioning correctly I think I had done such a clean out that I cleaned it out completely and and got rid of even my good bacteria but weren't you taking probiotics at that time I wasn't really hardcore into probiotics I think a little bit here and there but because I wasn't using dairy I or anything fermented really not not as much as I probably should have that probably would have helped quite a bit what was your what kind of styles of raw veganism did you get into well I started off I would call it more of a healing style in other words focusing on green smoothies focusing on juicing focusing on veggies and there's a there's an interesting thing that happens in the vegan world you have your you know 30 bananas a day people that are very high on fruit matter of fact say fruit should be most of what you eat and lower fat and then you've got another side that is a little bit more about you know stay away from sugar you have cancer sugar feeds cancer and I kept hearing that over and over and over and so for a time I and you know this I would go through periods where I would just say I'm not having any fruit I'm not eating anything sweet I get rid of my dates and my cacao and everything frankly that I love and honey and and to be honest I really don't feel that that is a factor at least for me okay I feel like for me I'm a very active person I do a lot of physical activity I have a very active life with my daughter who's 10 and I burn up carbs and sugary fruits and things like no problem digest them really well never have any issues feel great you know so I have come to believe through the work of Ray Pete who's a scientist a researcher he actually says that cancer cells actually feed on protein and if you think about a person in an advanced stage of cancer you don't look at them and notice anything more than that they look rather skeletal emaciated well so what is the cancer eating is it eating carbs or is it eating the protein the muscle of that of that person well so his theory is or his belief is that by providing your carbs and sugars to your system when you have cancer you actually prevent the cancer from attacking your organs your muscle and your vital parts of your body and you're you're not feeding it as much as you're keeping it from from seeking food if that makes sense and so heavy heavy lowered the protein then but first when I when I first went off of robbing and I went into colostrum raw dairy a few things and then I started adding in bison and things so I was a little bit more into the red meat side at first these days my main source of protein has to I would say be dairy fermented dairy raw dairy or fish seafood type of stuff what kinds of seafood sorry what kinds of seafood I usually go for salmon all wild caught salmon shrimp again wild caught I don't eat anything farmed very against factory farming of any kind so things that are basically sustainable and not going to you know cause problems with supply I like sardines okay I don't blame you Anthony grilled me some sardines that were just phenomenal and I was hooked yeah that was good I tried oysters for the first time the other night with Ann Marie Michaels from cheese slave and that was pretty good I said it tastes like the ocean only chewy that was pretty pretty yummy but I keep it simple I tend to eat really simple I eat fairly light and I mean I have to say I feel better than ever I'm 52 years old and you know hoping that I will get my dream my 100 year birthday party is what I'm aiming for so and what are your numbers like at the moment at the moment they're steady they're so steady it's it's kind of strange I get tested every six months now when I started on raw when I first diagnosed they wanted me there every two months and that's rough and so I kept pushing my oncologist to let me go let me go once he saw my numbers going down he finally acquiesced so every six months the last two checkups have been exactly the same so to me and this is another thought a lot of people when they get diagnosed especially with cancer you think of it as you're entering a fight you know put up your dukes we're gonna knock it out and we're gonna whatever we have to do and the doctors are right there with their chemo and their radiation and their surgery and you enter a war with your own body yeah I don't approach things that way I believe you can live with cancer and I believe you can live um to in such a way like I am where it is it is really kind of so stable and not growing that it becomes almost a non-issue um for me and it's not that it doesn't enter my mind but it is not what I live it's not what I'm about and I think when you enter into a a fight or a battle against your own body be it the cancer or whatever disease you end up you almost cut off your nose despite your face in some case absolutely so do you feel like you pretty much stopped it in its tracks I feel like yeah I I I never have had any symptoms I'm fortunate I'm in that it hasn't progressed at all as a matter of fact the numbers I have right now are pretty much almost exactly the same as probably yeah actually they are they're about exactly the same as when I got diagnosed okay so if five years in and someone tells you you're going to be dead in seven to ten years your numbers are the same I would call that a success absolutely so what does your oncologist say about the developments in the past five years well you mean mr textbook yeah mr well you probably shouldn't eat red meat he says nothing yeah his hands are tied literally and if he is to he I'm sure somewhere in his heart he's he's happy I can get him to laugh now he likes to see me I usually show up at the oncologist with my bike and you know I ask him all kinds of crazy questions and talk to him about raw food and he just gives me a look um he can't see the thing is that he can't in order to keep his his let's call it what it is a business and to keep his license he can't go and say oh well your story is so compelling next time someone comes to see me and they get diagnosed with cll I'm going to tell him what you did and then they'll they'll benefit he can't yeah so really he doesn't say anything but every time he cracks a joke with me I love to tell him I'm gonna go to his retirement party and he never answers me how old is he the room and goes see you in six months jeez oh so now what is your dietary style like at the moment then at the moment I am eating a lot of fruit okay kind of following something along the lines of a of a rape eat style of course I'm a huge fan of mat stone at 180 degrees and he's sort of inspired me it basically it would be fruit dairy usually full fat raw if I can get it for men it is awesome uh and then I eat fermented foods like pickles or chutneys or sour whatever uh is around and I also uh do eat some almonds but these days I prefer them roasted and salted I really come to believe that especially again with an active lifestyle salt rather than being a bad thing is actually a necessary thing and if I don't have enough salt I actually have more problems than if I have a little more on the salt side but are you having chemical salt or like natural salt oh you can I go for sea salt salted salt that that type of a real salt um is is what I prefer um I avoid polyunsaturated fats such as right I don't yeah I'm really um focusing on lowering the um the omega sixes and upping the omega threes and that's really besides that uh in my diet the other mainstay of my philosophy is that I um I focus on the healthy fats and I focus on eating things that are easily digestible and it will give me energy like like the fruit um I do find though if I go with too much fruit and it's just fruit just fruit it doesn't work so well for me and I do much better when I throw in some heavy cream so a piece of cheese uh something along those lines yeah um I've never had a problem with with good quality dairy um and then probably about two to three times a week I'll have maybe some grass-fed beef or a salmon uh shrimp type of a meal um cooked veggies for the most part I have to say yeah yeah all my raw vegan friends will relate to this next statement I'm really sick of salads really if I never ate another one I'd probably be very happy don't eat much in the grain world yeah everything some awesome white rice again digestibility and it's just good old starch I love yams sweet potatoes regular potatoes plantains okay my sweetner of choice is uh Anthony Anderson's honey or um maple syrup okay I've been using a lot um my cheat foods that I call them but I don't feel bad about eating there are Lisa Marie Linden Schmidt's right chocolate yeah mintable decadence from heaven so good and um things like um oh gosh what dates my organic dates from Pato's dream sure those are like my candies so for instance this morning I can tell you I had some Greek yogurt with some strawberries and my chai tea with some cream um and then later on in the middle of my exercise I had an apple and a bunch of dates okay when I got home I took a zucchini that my neighbor grew in her yard and mixed it up with some chafe and family orchard's grass-fed beef and some homemade barbecue sauce and that was that's pretty much that's how I roll and how have your children and your husband taken to the dietary styles that's a great question when I started this I I knew that it was a bit extreme and my daughter was young and my stepdaughter was a teenager and I said to myself do you're doing this to heal yourself yes I'm cleaning up our food supply but if my daughter said mom you know I want a steak or a hamburger or if it was Thanksgiving and there was a big turkey or any of that that was fine all I tried to do and what I would encourage anyone to do is to source out quality grass-fed wild caught pastured the poultry things of that nature um and to use your good oils and to throw a lot of veggies and fruit in there um and your good dairy yeah but they took to it well because I didn't push them there was a lot of fun with hey I'm gonna make a smoothie you want some and getting her involved and well actually she made one of your desserts one time remember that it was peach avocado oh yeah that was good right the video sounds made sounds kind of slightly famous in the rock community crazy videos and her fondness of coming to raw food meetups and going I hate vegetables I believe that children shouldn't be forced into anything obviously they don't have an illness now if they had an illness it may have acted differently with my husband I I kept having him read books and I kept telling him you know you got to read this book it's you know the the angry cowboy or the you know and so on and he read him and he goes that's it I'm vegan so for a couple years he was vegan and then when I started eating he caught all upset at me and he said I don't know what you're doing are you sure should we be doing that and so he feels better with a lower quantity of animal source products and he does not do dairy at all okay so again what we do is we pretty much keep it to the to the vegetarian style things I also we avoid soy no soy in our house of any kind and and wheat is pretty minimal too okay but he's he's good my husband's my rock I mean thank god for my husband and my children and my friends um all have been behind me this whole time no matter how crazy I got yeah right and how much juice I foisted on them here you have to try this and then they choked on the ginger yes it's it's something uh it's it's pretty pretty amazing if you could recommend maybe like two dishes that someone if they wanted to let's say just a you know an omnivore that's eating kind of a standard diet something that they could start making which wouldn't seem like a sacrifice or a or a big stretch something that would make sense the first thing I do is change your oil yeah some killer coconut oil my favorite is uh tropical traditions the refined expeller pressed which sounds counterintuitive why wouldn't you want virgin when you're cooking the refined is awesome it has no coconut scent it cooks up beautifully and you still get those good omega fats um it would change your oil I would look at your sources if you're gonna want a steak get a an amazing grass-fed steak from nobie ranch or um chafe and family orchards or even whole foods has some uh again your highest source of of product buy from your farmers know your farmers you know anthony knows that I even have a guy that I get macadamia nuts from yeah amazing there there a lot of work it's fun but oh my gosh they're good and those filled with omega threes again the good oils I would say um if you keep it simple um and you stick to good fresh organic fruits and vegetables and good wild-caught fish um free-range chickens and and eggs and non-soy keep the soy away and keep away from your processed packaged foods yeah you're gonna be a light years ahead of the game and I keep it real simple you know you know you've eaten over here sometimes a baked potato with some grass-fed butter is a meal for me yeah yeah that's awesome explore the yams I love purple purple yams um there's japanese there's uh there's just there's so many varieties and they're all delicious in their own way um I would say if you're gonna do smoothies my favorite thing to do is to add coconut milk okay or any coconut oh yeah to a smoothie and just make it very creamy and rich and again full of great fats for your body so I'm all about the fats and you really like including a lot of coconut products into your diet what's that you really like to include a lot of coconut products into your diet it seems uh you know what I I especially like the oil I use it on my skin I I use their cream as well the baby silk and um as far as eating coconuts though buying young coconuts no I don't really the coconut water is a big favorite yeah around here one recipe that's really great is uh you take half half coconut water and half coconut milk and then throw a little bit of vanilla in it and it makes the most delicious creamy drink oh nice just keep it in the fridge and and you can use it in smoothies or just drink it yeah especially if you have kids that don't want dairy or you don't want them to have dairy it's a great little sweet sweet mouth it's very good um very cool gosh I don't know with vegetables I'm pretty simple I just saute them in olive oil or or coconut oil or I have macadamia nut oil which is awesome too and just throw in some garlic and just saute it up yeah usually I'll do another way to get in all the goodies is take your greens and maybe some eggs or some grass for beef or some fish some salsa and just make a one pan wonder I like it all sort of sips is cooked together and and then you kind of hit all the bases oh that sounds so good it's very good oh so with combined with the food what is your daily routine like as far as activities like on your feet kind of stuff yeah um usually every morning anywhere um from six to seven I'm up for an hour run I usually try and throw in some sprints in there uh or sometimes I go for a longer hour and a half more of a slow steady run I um ride my bike a lot on Saturdays I ride about 15 mile round trip to my best friend's house and then we run and then I go do weight class I'm hitting up the weights about twice a week okay I also really love yoga I'll hit the yoga usually on my own and I also have a class that I go to uh I find the yoga very healing very relaxing and actually can build a lot of strength you know um with with your arms and legs and flexibility um those are probably my main things um that I do regularly so yeah every day I have anywhere from one to three hours of exercise a day I feel it's key and specifically I think it's good for anyone to move and I love to be outside but in the disease that I have um it is of the lymph and a lot of people don't realize that unlike your blood which has a pump the heart to move it lymph cannot move on its own lymph cannot move or as I like to call it take out the trash unless you move yeah when you move your lymph moves oh I also do a lot I love rebounding on the mini trampoline excellent an incredible lymph mover good for your bones too yeah yeah all of the weight bearing exercise I'm all about that um and I love lifting weights I love being strong and and feeling that I guess in a way all of us I mean none of us want to say oh I'm getting older and oh one day you know we'll be able to do this all of us want to be as capable and as strong and and as vibrant as we can be and I also find that when I do the weights and when I run and when I put myself out there and challenge myself I just feel so much better uh on every level so it's almost like a prescription for me yeah that's great you know I think along with the the rebounder for the lymph that's such a huge thing but then as well and I only heard this maybe like six months ago was that the rebounder was kind of developed by NASA or something so they could build bone density on the astronauts after they came back from space because they would lose so much bone density in a few months and so they got them on the rebounders right and it was funny because if you look there's some funny videos online of like you know I think it's like early 80s circa where they were trying to sort of promote the rebounder as something that everyone would want to do and I actually had one back in the day um but yeah that's I believe what it stemmed from is is it is an incredible exercise not only for your lymph but your bones and your muscle and balance and all those things that that I'm sure as an astronaut would need oh yeah yeah I know I wish I kind of want to get one for my mom I wonder if she would stick with it you know because we have a big trampoline but I think that you get a little more bang for your buck with the small ones and you can really get the direct pressure it's not so big and they're portable yeah when you're big you have to have the um guard around them sure sure you don't want to break your mom's leg right right right um so living in living in southern california have you found it easier to source organic veg and fruit um compared to your travels yeah and you know it's an interesting thing um another one of my philosophies is to always be open mm-hmm I think there's value in everybody's opinion or lifestyle or you know I always I love to meet people I love to talk to people and through that kind of natural curiosity that I have I've been able to say I'm at the farmers market and my date guy says you've got to meet this guy he knows all about healing he's healed his mother from cancer I think it's now eight times and so I meet him and then he has a friend who says oh you've got to learn about uh kiefer I've got cultured I'll give you the the grains and then from him I'm at the co-op with Steve our little market and and from there I meet and so on and so on so yeah I'm very blessed that in california we're year-round with farmers market we're year-round with beautiful weather yeah I hate to tell you that's about 77 here right now right hey it's like it's always the nicest even in the summer uh it's beautiful so so yes um it's very easy whole foods is available I have my co-op I have my farmers markets to choose from um I could even do more than I do as far as getting good food but we get so much good food and we have great friends that cook good food um like we have a friend uh ma jasmine they cook indian food it's all fresh they use great ingredients and you know it's just I just feel like every day every moment I'm always looking for that that beauty that that next new great food that next new place where I can source out the best possible things for myself and my family yeah so california is definitely the place for that do you do a lot of citrus as well oh in season I'm very much about season and obviously coconut is you know that's one of those I give myself a pass on foods yeah but generally I go to my farmers and and I know them all so well you know you've met them and I'll just say okay what do you got oh I have blueberries but only for another week well then I'm gonna buy double and then I freeze half of them that's cool that's really cool and then I have them for smoothies or other things but I just if if cherries are in season I go for it and I just eat a lot of cherries and you know grapes are coming right now we've got some beautiful greens out right now asparagus is waning um yeah so citrus is still there but I really prefer to get it right when it's when it's ready and that usually is the fall around here okay okay how do you cook your plantains what's that do you cook your plantains or is it raw or how do yeah oh yeah yeah uh in butter usually or coconut oil um and then um I like to put a maple syrup on them or cream would be great yogurt would be great nice I love plantains they're wonderful wow and I think we should get some plantains today buddy good make sure they're nice and black yes that is the key I actually had a raw one last week when we were talking oh that's right and how was it that was good it was very dark it was like almost black the peel was very brown and it was good it wasn't as sweet as a banana but it was it was like a yeah kind of like a sweet potato but cooked it was great it was great I really enjoyed it I liked it actually more than regular bananas for sure there was more to it oh yeah it's very it's got a much richer dimension to it um I think that a two on that note um with fruit obviously that's probably one of the only fruits that I do cook but with fruit you know I think eating fruit raw is probably preferable unless it's a starchy type of fruit like that which is a little bit of an anomaly with vegetables I really come to believe that cooked vegetables are more available nutritionally and and better easier for me to digest absolutely so you know you know raw broccoli is not your friend at least it's not mine no no raw even the raw kale's I mean I had a lot of digestive issues that I kind of ignored because I thought it was natural right and and that's another thing I was going to talk about is this whole detox you know well you feel horrible because you're detoxing and I don't know I think you do get a little bit of that when you start on a whole new diet especially if you've been like a McDonald's junkie you're going to feel a little crappy yeah but if detox it goes on and on no yeah that's not normal hold tight one second dad we're going to do a little message from our sponsors the Anthony Anderson show episode four is brought to you by us gold coins.com and that's 1-800 hot coin Andy Goss is the man check out his book uncle sam cooks the books it will change your life and mesi grill really good Mediterranean food uh 55th and eighth in New York City to accept bitcoin mesi grill.com and mountgox.com that's mtgox.com they trade in bitcoin british pounds canadian dollars australian dollars check them out all right we're back we're back with debbie young of grass fed mama and debbie does raw and how um how would people want to get ahold of you like you want to go through facebook you're pretty active on facebook yeah i i always say i'm so easy to find i i'm on facebook all the time uh you can ask anybody who knows me under debbie young okay it sounds it's spelled how it sounds y o u n g okay and uh i'm on twitter under grass fed mama okay um i have two i'm a gem and i like you tony that's right my original blog was debbie does raw um it's uh debbie does raw at blogspot.com okay and it it turned into more of a journal and there's some posts on there about you know why i'm no longer vegan and things such as that and then on grass fed mama uh which is also a blog spot blog i um focus more on bone broth which is something i really got into um once i flipped the switch over to eating omnivore and um the benefits and how to make them and things like of that nature um obviously from the name it's more about the omnivore side of things i talk about some of the ranchers that i've met um and things that i've discovered um in that realm uh so those are four ways to find me i'm i'm pretty uh pretty open yeah pretty open when you make your bone broths what's a do you add anything to it how does that work uh yeah i uh i found that adding fennel uh i of course add the usual stuff which is celery and onion and carrots but uh adding a fennel and some uh occasional garlic not usually too much okay really makes a difference in the in the flavor i really like that and i have some recipes on grass fed mama for that for me that the best broths usually are the best raw ingredients okay okay if you can get a good quality marrow bone from a good quality grass fed rancher you're gonna have an excellent result every time do you like to bake the bones first i've tried both uh interesting uh i think there's a richness of flavor that comes with baking the bones and there's also a brown uh uh coloring that the broth takes on whereas if you don't you you you it's more clear or white so well we'll have to make the bone marrow gelato sometime with the acai yeah that was something oh wow so cool uh do you have any fruit trees in your yard oh yes i have a uh a dwarf citrus and orange and then we have the uh we have the the key line in the back actually it's a bear line in the back that's our neighbor has you've had those and then i have my famous pomegranate tree which is so frustrating i've had it like three years and i got some flowers on it and they just fell off yeah yeah i don't know i did fish emulsion like you said just it's just not it's doesn't like me well pomegranates love the sun they love the sun so i think that's my biggest problem with that one um and then i was telling you earlier i'm gonna head over and buy some fruit trees and persimmon would be great uh peach you can't get a peach the same as that you can grow in your yard yeah i think better if you see one called the mid pride peach mid pride we tried that one and it was so juicy and very yellow and it was just real juicy make sure you you kind of try them out before because you know it varies so much right i i remember when i was growing up we had a peach tree in our yard and uh it was a yellow peach and every summer it was just you know you'd go peach crazy and i want that i want some apple too and and uh other than that i have a small garden and i grew a lot of herbs okay and i grow strawberries and peppers and various little things um so i i'm definitely not a food for us but i would hope to one day be more of one and be able to eat a lot more out of my yard and you've got those loquats too which are really big loquats huge loquat i'm looking at it right now and then there's a smaller loquat on the other side uh yeah huge loquats um and and i i do i i confess i forage when i'm running so i'll be running and then i'll see a lime or an orange or a lemon on the ground and i'll stick it in my pocket or on my bike i'll stop and throw it in my back yeah sorry fruit tree owners well you know if it's falling on the ground then it's pretty much uh that's open yeah that's open season yeah very cool um have you been traveling at all this summer traveling yeah we went to vancouver british columbia that was gorgeous um and then we went to washington to anacortis they're a small town and um we're going to be going where else are we going we're going we're going to be going up north to visit relatives near um uh stanford area uh my husband's going to be going to new jersey so Charles balsera if you're watching this i gave him your address just kidding um so uh yeah um that's about it my dream of course is to get to river cottage and hang out with Hugh uh fernsley winningshell and uh spend a week there yeah yeah that would be awesome and to go to ireland oh yes that's where your ancestors are from yes i'm irish german and welsh okay okay did um ancestral diet play play into some of your considerations yeah i i did a lot of studying up on that on on paleo um some of the paleo stuff i don't agree with um but for the most part i think they're they're on the money with their note with the low grains or no grains yes uh the no dairy i don't really agree with and not every paleo person is a no dairy person um but yeah um actually i i just got accepted i'm volunteering at the ancestral health symp symposium it's the first one it's august fifth and sixth here at new cla cool and i'm super excited that's so cool speakers uh and um i'll get to meet them people like john gerand chris master john melissa mcqueen um i steve stiffen gunye is going to be there's just a ton of people that i really admire um the funny thing about when you get into the paleo side of things unlike the raw side of things uh they're very scientific people and a lot of them have a degree in biochemistry and and they really are serious about their their nutrition and their research and it's fascinating yeah so i've learned a ton from them um so that's coming up oh and then we're going to go to hawaii uh for for christmas to see my in-laws and my stepdaughter awesome food there just love the farmers market the fruits are off the hook you can't get tropical fruit unless you're in the tropics that really is worth eating in my opinion when when are you planning on going to hawaii end of december uh hawaii in december for christmas vacation okay we'll have two full weeks then so we're going to go for that and mostly a wahoo a honolulu yeah okay okay we go to the north shore too okay you know i might i might be there around that time oh okay you can hang with us uncle tony yeah yeah my my friend um they're looking at 10 acres over on the big island in the prune area and they um are looking for people that might be interested that you know resonate with the whole the anesthesia mission and you know all the food forest stuff and and there's a chance that i might want to do something there you know so i think i'm going to go there around december of january and just check it out and see what's happening and maybe start something there because ideally i always wanted to do something year round whether it was southern california or you know because you really want to be in your garden all the time and pulling food from it but i always wanted to do hawaii so um it's perfect it's beautiful and and the big island has that volcanic soil more i think than the others at least in spinae areas i haven't been to that island yet oh she said it's very powerful and everything just grows very well yeah amazing so maybe maybe i'll see you there and we can hang out in honolulu that would be really fun that'd be great yeah give me my in-laws oh yeah right we can have some um roast pig love you so uh yeah um did they eat pork yeah that's something we've talked about doing as well actually it's getting to hawaii and staying there we haven't made a firm plan though well even if you were to team up with your in-laws and get um you know get a few acres and plant it out and then they could just um whatever i mean there's things that can work yeah it's beautiful there i love it i'm i'm a major outdoor freak and i love it there you know um it's i just enjoy it every time the big city isn't that great but you know well yeah yeah i mean it's it's not a bad big city i mean there's a lot of stuff to do as far as i mean it's pretty the beaches are gorgeous yeah and then and then there's a farmers market we go to the capillani farmers market and uh it's wonderful the food is amazing i saw some step there last time i had never seen before they had a potay that was i don't know five pounds whoa it was insane and it was like black oh yeah you have to see it it was incredible and jackfruit and durian and any and every tropical fruit that you want is there yeah so the um the vision of the other the other guy that wants to be on this 10 acres in hawaii he wants to do a durian food forest of all these different kinds of durians and then obviously you he would plant stuff underneath but he wants the the canopy to be durian trees wow wow that could be pretty amazing yeah i mean it'll be a little bit of a weight but uh it would be so so cool yeah well it's worth the weight if you can grow your own food there's nothing like it that's to me that's the best food on earth is yeah the food you grow yeah you know and and put your own love into it mm-hmm it's all the difference so well my mom um so far she said she's picked 70 cups worth of raspberries wow from the garden yeah oh my gosh i'm so jealous that's my favorite berry i think she puts um maybe she puts them in those large plastic bags and she i think she says she she gets about maybe five cups or six cups in every bag but she puts them on a cookie sheet and then freezes them so they so they stay nice and solid and then um and then she yeah puts them in the bag so it's there's gonna be a lot of raspberries when i get back when are you going back you know i'm not sure because it just it kind of depends on the the work here and i really needed to focus on getting the income going again and i'm i just feel so blessed that they're there to pick the stuff and make sure everything's watered but maybe maybe september uh we'll see i don't know maybe early september i'm not sure okay it's still a little hot there and kind of kind of humid so uh and honey the honey that you gave me is so was so good yeah really really amazing honey i can't wait for you to try the bee pollen too yeah that's another great food i i have in the uh right chocolate i got yeah the one that she named after her husband and it's um i think it's conviction and it's got a it's got bee pollen in it and it's so good cool it's really good yeah yeah it's it's really fun when when that starts happening and and especially when you start meeting friends that really know how to make the good foods and you start trading and doing cool stuff and it just really opens up like a whole social circle i think it's an awesome idea i think that food forest is the way to go yeah do you think you'd ever make it out east anytime soon uh you know what i don't know i've i've got a big project i'm working on that's gonna happen in january and i'm trying to bring all you east coast dudes out here and that's for a healthy food expo that i'm booking um so i've got a lot of big names who are pretend to be i'm gonna be involved but yeah i should go i i've been to new york but spent a long time and i need to see my friend just had a baby and there's just you know it'd be really great to be there and hang out and see everybody that lives there yeah because there's so many of us that are back here now so i know you guys keep moving every size that's how that's how us young folks operate uh oh yeah so where do you see um where do you see things going in the next couple years with your path and your with me um that's a good question and it's funny that you ask because things have sort of taken off even in the last week i've got the healthy food expo we don't have a name yet but i'm booking it in conjunction with the fit expo at the la convention center at the end of january and what i'm doing is focusing on bringing together the best of raw paleo western a prize real food cool uh chefs cool vendors uh speakers so people like philip makleski germil yourself hints hints um and and just making it where we all come together under one roof and no one has to feel like oh you know there's the raw food festival and there's the meat world and that everybody can realize that by choosing from all these different things you're gonna have your optimum health so that's really a passion for me i also have really taken a lot of time to think about writing a book and what that would look like and i'm starting to gel with ideas where i can start to really um put pen to paper and i have a friend that we're gonna meet up about once a month and work on writing together so um that's a couple things that i have going on very cool and you see yourself saying staying in the southern california area yeah i got him my baby's in school i can't fool her i don't know about that the attendance or whole life oh yeah oh yeah and i and i we're just so blessed we love our where we live we love our neighbors we love the the climate and the availability of good food and everything that we that we are so lucky have yeah yeah um with sam have you ever thought about doing homeschooling with her i have i've threatened that uh especially middle school uh-huh because middle scares the crap out of every parent oh yeah because all these kids show up and there's like 10 times more kids and they all have hormones now and they look scary and they voices change and whoa so but you know what sam's that you know sam she handles herself really well she has very very many friends um we have great uh network of families that we all support and look out for each other's kids and i think she's gonna be okay but i will say that if i saw that there was a problem especially anything having to do with bullying or or any kind of behavior that i felt was dangerous i'd pull her out in heartbeat yeah yeah very cool very cool so tell folks again oh yeah what's up oh nothing let's go ahead no no you're gonna say something i forgot i was i was just gonna say uh that i think well homeschooling is very difficult yes and i i know what i was gonna say i would rather that it was more her choice i see that she said yes that's best for me yeah and and uh and i would have to take it on as well because that's a full-time job beyond what i already do as as a work-at-home parent so um yeah i have friends at homeschool and i admire them tremendously i i i know that it's a it's it's a great gift to give to your kids um at this juncture though for her if i pulled her away from all her friends it could be detrimental to her so if she if it's necessary it'll happen yeah yeah so very cool well we'll definitely have to have you back on for round two and then some updates and everything and uh i'd love to hear maybe some more recipes and some cool things like that i just big step up on the fly anthony that's cool that's the way it should be the fridge that's what we're having yeah right i don't i don't i tried all the complicated stuff especially in raw and it always if it came out good it was a miracle and then it always frustrated the hell out of me and so i would just i would just make up stuff and just do it to my taste yeah yeah it's better to keep it simple and yeah no i feel that for sure okay tell folks how they can get a hold of you one more time okay if you want to talk to me or friend me you can friend me on facebook uh debbie young and uh my twitter account is under grass fed mama okay my blogs which well if you go to the blog it's probably easiest because you'll be able to link to grass fed and to um i'm sorry to uh twitter and facebook uh you go to www dot debbie does raw dot blog spot dot com or www dot grass fed mama and that's m o m m a at blog spot dot com okay and you can find me i'm really easy to find i love to help people if you have questions or need guidance or have some a loved one that perhaps is facing a similar challenge to what i am or have i i'm always available for help yeah i don't sell anything i don't charge i am just i just am so grateful to be here and to be able to help people that if that's that's my payment and you're a really good hairstylist thank you anthony you're my favorite client if you're if anyone's in the southern california area it's worth the drive to pasadena to have deb cut your hair it's a in-home salon it's just one chair to just me so you kind of have you get you get like stuck in a room with me for a bit but uh so you get the full download it's it's the perfect job for me um to be home and to be around and to be able to take care of my health and to do things like this and not have to stress out about going off to work so yeah yeah very cool that's that's like a huge inspiration for me oh thank you all right deb thanks so much for coming on oh my pleasure thank you for having me lots of love sis thanks everybody see you really soon deb okay big hugs bye bye see i wonder now if it's