 Coming up on DTNS, Amazon cuts off NSO Group because of its surveillance software. U.S. and allies make coordinated protests against China's role in cyber attacks and growing peppers in Spain. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, July 19th, 2021 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Redwood, I'm Sarah Lane. I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. And joining us, poet Andrew Heaton. Welcome to the show. Hello. Pleasure to be here. You may know Andrew Heaton as host of Alienating the Audience and the Political Orphanage, author of Los Angeles' hideous poems about an ugly city, but that last has put you on the map, my friend. Congratulations. Thank you very much. As of last week, I am a best-selling poetry author. I hit number one in poetry on Amazon, meaning that I have now eclipsed comedy and punter tree and romance as a poet, which is apparently the best thing I am in life. And I'll take it and all the accolades that go there with. If you want to know more about Heaton's future plans as a poet, get our wider conversation on Good Day Internet. You can get that by becoming a member at patreon.com.dtns. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Zoom has purchased Call Center Technology Company 59 for $14.7 billion in an all-stock transaction with the deal expected to close in the first half of 2022. Zoom is expecting the purchase to increase long-term growth and provide more products to businesses as more companies return to working in actual offices. Nintendo took the unusual move of denying a Bloomberg report that was published last week claiming the upcoming $350 OLED version of the Nintendo Switch would have higher profit margins than the regular model due to higher-end components in the OLED Switch, and that Nintendo could be making up to $40 more per model sold. In a statement, Nintendo said, to ensure correct understanding among our investors and customers, we want to make clear that the claim is incorrect. However, it did not offer any information about the profit margins of either Switch console. $0.10 will buy British game developer Sumo Digital for $1.27 billion after previously holding an 8.75% stake in the company. Sumo is best known for their contract work developing Sackboy, a big adventure for the PlayStation 5, and was the main studio for Microsoft's Crackdown 3 on Xbox and PC. We're seeing some examples of that chip shortage affecting the smartphone industry, not only slowing shipments, but also some significant price increases. Samsung's problems sourcing some key parts created an unexpected 20% drop in shipments from the previous quarter. Google said its Pixel 5a 5G device would be available only in the U.S. and Japan after wider releases in the past. Xiaomi's Red Note 10 was released in India for about $161, but now retails for about $174 and Xiaomi's Mi 11 Ultra sales are delayed in India as well. You may have missed the official announcement a couple weeks ago, but Windows 11 is moving to a yearly update model, much like Android, iOS and macOS already do. Smaller security updates and fixes will still roll out incrementally, but annual updates will arrive in the second half of the calendar year and offer two years of support for most users with three years for enterprise and education. Alright, let's talk about that NSO Group story. A forensic analysis report from Amnesty International claims NSO Group's Pegasus software was used by clients to compromise the phones of more than 1,000 people, including heads of state, politicians, journalists, activists, business executives and more in more than 50 countries. The majority of the names on a list released to media were located in Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Hungary, India, Kazakhstan, Mexico, Morocco, Rwanda, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. Citizen Lab peer reviewed the findings, so it wasn't just Amnesty International making these claims. The NSO Group says the report is full of wrong assumptions and uncorroborated theories though and that the company only sells its technology to, quote, vetted government agencies for use against criminals and terrorists. The report claims zero-click iMessage attacks have been used going all the way back to 2018 and worked all the way up to iOS 14. Zero-click means if you receive the message, you're compromised. You didn't have to do anything. You didn't have to tap on anything, open a link, whatever. After which, the attacker would be able to collect data, activate the mic and camera on the compromised phone. Amnesty Security Lab probed 67 phones in particular, 34 were iPhones and all had experienced attempts to crack in, 23 of those 34 iPhones showed evidence of a successful Pegasus infection, 22 phones from people in India were also examined, seven of those contained NSO malware, some of which were owned by India's opposition politicians. The Pegasus tool sent its acquired data through commercial services like AWS and Amazon Cloud Front and when Amnesty International presented its findings to Amazon, Amazon terminated service for NSO Group. However, NSO Group uses multiple providers including DigitalOcean, OVH and Linode, so they aren't offline. But I think that may be one of the more interesting things here. We've known about Pegasus for a long time. There's been a lot of accusations that it's being used to spy on activist journalist politicians, et cetera, but the fact that Amazon in the past when they've been confronted about providing service to NSO Group just remained silent, in this case cut them off and said, you know what, we don't want to take their money anymore. I mean I guess as there are multiple providers, the Pegasus tool, besides just having knowledge of these zero-click attacks happening, this isn't the biggest deal. It is a big move because of course it's AWS. If the other providers were to follow suit, that would be interesting. But yeah, I mean these sorts of stories always come back to NSO Group saying, no, okay, Amnesty International just isn't correct here, Citizen Lab Peer reviewing the findings, you're not correct here, you're missing the point, we're just going after the really, really bad people. Well, without enough evidence to support that and the evidence to support that all these people are getting targeted and attacked, it's like, I don't think the company is not pushing back hard enough. It's not a good defense. Heaton, what do you think of this? I agree. I mean what we're talking about is not, I don't think anybody has any illusions that NSO Group isn't helping governments crack down on journalists, but also the NSO Group doesn't have to be lying when it says, we vet government agencies, we only sell to government agencies and they only use it against criminals and terrorists because many of the companies named in this report consider journalists and activists to be criminals or terrorists the way they define criminals and terrorists, right? Yeah, I'm generally inclined to think it's probably happening and tend to assume that if there's going to be some sort of balance between atrophying privacy rights versus everybody agreeing not to spy on people, that it's probably going to be more of the latter and it's been going on for an incredibly long time, like we had a thing in the United States for a while called Project Echelon where I don't know if it's still going on or not, but basically it was illegal for the United States to spy on our own citizens without a warrant. So it just went, Canada, would you like to spy on all of our people? And if you see anything interesting, we'll pass it to us, we'll do the same thing and we just spy on all the British countries and former British countries would spy on each other. And I think they're pretty restrained compared to some of these other parties, so it wouldn't surprise me at all. Yeah, that goes back to what you were saying, Sarah, which is NSO Group didn't get cut off by Amazon, but I do think that's significant. Even if it doesn't stop NSO Group from being able to conduct its business, Amazon taking a principled stand here, sure, maybe they have enough cash now that they could afford it and they just don't want the bad press associated with it. That's probably a majority of the motivation. But it does now provide a precedent where you will see Amnesty International and Citizen Lab put pressure on other providers to say, hey, Amazon cut them off. What about you? And NSO Group, no matter what you think of it, is at best great hat. They are taking advantage of vulnerabilities and not making them public. They're not selling these vulnerabilities, but also contributing to world security. They keep these things private and they try not to let anybody find out about them until they've figured out a new one that can replace it. Well, streaming services all the rage. Warner Media has got another one for us. The company will launch a streaming new service in the US under the CNN banner called, I'll give you one guess, just one, CNN Plus. You were right. The service will launch sometime after the first year in 2022, first of the year, so sometime early next year, but no word on how much it will cost yet. We'll probably find that out, I don't know, somewhere before the first year of 2022. There will only be an ad-free subscription, so no free ad-supported tier, at least not now. Much like ESPN, CNN will include access to its CNN Plus content in the existing CNN app alongside any access you have to CNN through a TV subscription. CNN Plus will include original live and on-demand programming, but separate from the existing channels. So what you see on CNN and CNN Plus is not going to be the same live programming. CNN Plus will also include access to past seasons of CNN shows, back catalog stuff, and the new content will be made by existing CNN staff along with 400 people being hired just for CNN Plus. So this is a fairly major operation. I mean, they're hiring a big swath of folks. This is the companies seeing the writing on the wall, that their cable subscriptions are going to go away. Now the move could be, you might think, oh, well then make CNN available for a subscription in an app. But they can't do that because of the agreements they have with the cable carriers. And enough people haven't moved off cable that they can risk getting pulled from the cable carriers and losing that revenue. So they have to split the difference. That's what ESPN did. They said, well, we have ESPN Plus, and we'll try to make it more and more compelling. When ESPN Plus first launched, it was just some extra games from regional sports networks. As we talked about last week, they're going to start putting prime games on there. They're going to start being able to get away with a little more as they renegotiate agreements. I'm guessing that's what CNN's doing here is plowing the field for a future more robust offering as they slowly see their audience migrate from cable to online streaming. But right now, you either have to not get CNN at all and want to get some, even if it's not the main channel. And so you'll be willing to pay for this. Or you're a CNN enthusiast who's like, more CNN, great. Take my money. Heaton, I'm curious in your perspective, having worked in this industry before, how many people do you think CNN might be able to get? Well, I love the idea of somebody that is already watching a 24-hour news network and goes, I need more hours of content than 24 hours per day. This is insufficient. I would like to have my TV screen going and my phone going at the same time so that I could get it double. That said, though, I do think you're right, Tom, and I think you're spot on. When I started working in cable television news, I was a writer there for three years. And when I was beginning and was very fresh, I was hanging out in the control room and I talked to one of the vice presidents and just trying to spark conversation. I went, how are things different now than when you first started? And very quickly, he went, if they ever figure out how to unbundle cable, we were in so much trouble because he was like, the deal we all have right now is if you want one group, you got to get all groups, which means that if you really like ESPN, you're also going to get Fox Business and CNN and all these different things. And as that's starting to atrophy and as more and more people don't care about television, they're going to need to scramble. Like, for example, I was a television writer. I do not know how to watch the show I used to write for it. I could not at this moment watch it if I felt like it because I don't have a TV and I don't know how to do it. And so I think there's a lot of people that they're relying on that are in a wealthy but dwindling age cohort that are not going to be available forever. And they're going to have to figure out what to do. You know, yeah, but I think, yes, everyone's good points. Everyone so far. It does seem like when I first saw eight to 12 hours of live programming that is not existing CNN programming, it's additional programming and this big team to run that programming. I was like, yeah, who even if you're a CNN enthusiast, there simply aren't enough hours in the day, but it also gives the opportunity to try out some new hosts, try out some new formats. I mean, there's only so much that CNN itself can do before people go, this is crazy. This isn't the CNN that I want, and that becomes a problem in itself. And so, yes, that slow migration of original programming, some of which will stick along with a back catalog of enough CNN programming that you go, okay, yeah, this is the same brand. I get it. It could be successful down the road. I would like to know how much it will cost. Well, and that's what they're doing. They know that the people who don't watch CNN on cable because they don't have cable are a different demographic. And so they can create, it's basically launching a new channel, but instead of launching it on cable targeted at a younger demographic, they're launching it online where that demographic is more likely to watch, the difference is NBC is doing that mostly for free. Whereas CNN is bargaining that, oh, maybe they'll pay if we give them a bunch of Anthony Bourdain old episodes and stuff along with it. Online glasses seller Warby Parker has released a virtual vision test, which lets most users renew their prescriptions using an iPhone 6s or newer. 6s is, you know, that goes back a bit. So it's a fair amount of folks. If you're between the ages of 18 and 65 with no existing health eye concerns and a single vision distance prescription, you can use the app. You also need a copy of your current prescription and your current glasses or contacts. The phones at vision framework, make sure that you're 10 feet away. And then the app takes you through the usual. Can you read these numbers and signs and letters tests? It takes about 10 minutes. Then an eye doctor will review your results and decide if your prescription can indeed be renewed within two days. If your prescription is the same, you pay 15 bucks. If it can't be renewed, you don't pay anything. And at which point you would probably go to your doctor. As a glasses where who cannot take advantage of this because I've got progressive lenses, I'm not sure I would anyway. I don't know about you, Heaton, but 100 percent, 100 percent. I feel like I need to go see the eye doctor every year anyway, just to make sure I'm not getting glaucoma or, you know, to do all those tests and I just get my prescription renewed then, whether it changes or not. I suppose if you're younger, maybe you're not as worried about going in, even though you probably should, and the convenience. And, well, I don't have to go into an enclosed space with a bunch of people and wear a mask might make this more attractive. But it sounds like you're on the same page as me. Oh, no, no, I meant I'm 100, like go Warby Parker. I'm all about this. I think this is great. Now, granted, I have very light corrective lenses. I really I need them if I'm looking at a computer for a long period of time. I don't need them for other things. So I'm in the light camp. That said, I think optometrists are like the shady used car dealers of the 21st century, where you go in, they, they partially blind you, they dilate your eyes, they put weird interrogation lights in front of you and talk to you and you're all messed up from this experience. And then they pop you out into the glasses store and they don't ask, do you want to buy glasses? It's presumed. And they just have somebody usually who acts unnecessarily like you're more charming than you are and your hands of it all glasses. And then pretty quick, you're racking up like $500 frames. Whereas I like I've used some online stuff where I just use my old prescription and kicked in and paid like $100 for the glasses I'm wearing right now. If I mean, that might change. Like I've like we've had some blindness in my family. Last Thanksgiving, I was talking to my dad and he was like, yeah, Grandma Bickle, tuffled bird. She, you know, went blind at 92, quit driving 94 and just really hung in there. And I was thrown off by the chronology of that. But apparently she memorized all the turns in her town so she could just go grocery shopping once a week while blind. And I'm like, at that point, I might need to really go to an optometrist, but until then happy to use an app. Yeah, as a person with a new subscription prescription to contact lenses, I mean, just really over the last few months, I was not even totally aware that I was going to have to re-up this whole thing annually because I just never went to the optometrist before until I started to have issues reading computers, kind of like you, Andrew, where it became something where I was like, okay, I can't ignore this anymore. So the idea that I could just have one last doctor visit per year, if I really felt like, hey, my eyes feel great. I don't have any issues that this seems like a super convenient way to go about that. But Tom, to your point, we should not ignore going to the doctor. Yeah, I'm also an entire hypocrite because I went to the eye doctor for the first time when Reagan was president and didn't return until the Obama administration. So, you know, I've changed my ways now. Don't be like me. Maybe you should switch to a papal system where every time there's a new pope, you go and get glasses. I would have gone a lot in like late 70s, but then, yeah, I wouldn't have gone for anything. Does a retirement count, though, or does it have to, you know, it starts to get complicated with Benedict? Anyway, I digress. Folks, you want to learn Spanish, even if you're like, no, I don't. Yeah, you do. And before you do, you want to get your Spanish tech skills up to speed. Here's NTX's Dan Campos to help. Hello, friends of DTNs. It is time for The Word of the Day, brought to you by Noticias de Tecnología Express. Today's word is barbaridad. It doesn't have a proper translation in English and can mean different things. First, you can use it to refer to excessive quantities. If there is a lot of something, es una barbaridad. Second, you can use it to indicate when someone says something that makes no sense, like when a public figure is posting barbaridades on Twitter. Finally, you can also use it to express admiration or surprise. Que barbaridad? You can learn this and more words by listening to Noticias de Tecnología Express available every Friday. Cyber attackers responsible for multiple attacks, and the US says in particular it has high confidence that groups hired by China were directly responsible for the March attacks that affected 30,000 Microsoft email exchange servers. You remember we talked about that on DTNs? It wasn't a vulnerability. It was a zero day vulnerability. It wasn't a Microsoft operated error, but they were able to get into those exchange servers. The EU said the attacks and others were linked to Advanced Persistent Threat 40 and Advanced Persistent Threat 30. You probably, if you see them covered, see them referred to as APT 40, APT 30. It's the first time that NATO has signed on to a formal condemnation of China's cyber activities. The statement details more than 50 different techniques used by state-sponsored malicious actors and offers recommended mitigations to implement. So this is not just a condemnation. It's also got some useful information for businesses out there. The US accuses China's Ministry of State Security of contracting the groups to carry out the attacks, including ransomware attacks meant to generate profit. The US Department of Justice also announced that criminal charges have been filed against four Chinese nationals for, quote, a multi-year campaign targeting foreign governments and entities in key sectors, including maritime aviation, defense, education, and healthcare in at least a dozen countries between the periods of 2011 and 2018. Now the indictment claims the four people, quote, sought to obfuscate the Chinese government's role in such theft by establishing a front company and it identifies Hainan as the province out of which they operated. The US has not ruled out further response, but notes that no action will deter China. It is the first official accusation levied directly against the Chinese government of paying groups to carry out these attacks. So first time NATO has signed on to any condemnation, and the first time the US has said specifically, we think you're paying them. We think you're the ones behind it. You're right in the checks. It's interesting to note that over the weekend, the Wall Street Journal reported the US government asked the Netherlands ASMR not to sell ultraviolet lithography systems to Chinese chip makers. Those aren't necessarily related, but that combined with the pressure on Huawei could mean that the US might be pursuing policy of using leverage against China and maybe we'll loosen up the ultraviolet lithography for your homegrown chip industry if you do some things to change your ways on the cyber attacks, although how you vet that and how you prove that is a whole different conversation. But what do you all think of this? In the end, it sounds like somebody getting mad and saying stop that, but it's certainly the most complicated and forceful stop that that we've seen yet. China usually has a very quick dismissive response to this and I haven't seen a response yet. When you were a kid, did you ever play Monopoly? And there was just one kid that took it way more intensely than all the other kids and you'd use the bathroom and you'd come back and all of a sudden there'd be like nine hotels on Tibet and you were like, I didn't think you even had Tibet earlier and they're like, we've always had Tibet, we've always had nine of them. That's how I feel about the Chinese government. And this kind of espionage saddens me so much because it shows the decline in mutual respect between great nations back in my day, back during the Cold War, when Russia and the United States spied on each other, we had enough respect for each other as enemies to send over honeypots to seduce people. So at least there'd be some hottie that would come over and go to cocktail parties and eventually seduce people for information. Now it's all done online. I think that's a cowardly way to conduct espionage. So I hope we revert back to the old system and I'll say open it up to both genders. Well, you could still do it online. It's just Hot McHale will be cyber texting you, not showing up at your hotel. Don't care for that at all. Sarah, what do you make of this? Well, I don't know. You know, these sorts of stories, I think, okay, so Canada, New Zealand, Australia, the UK, the US, the European Union, everybody is saying, this is what China has done. China has hired people to do this. Here's our evidence. This is something specific that happened earlier in the year that we can trace back to this. And China kind of going, there's a part of me that I understand these sorts of relationships are very complicated. Yes, and there's lots of economic trade stuff that falls into play here. It's not just a matter of the US being the country that I live in, saying, China, you're wrong and everyone's arrested kind of thing. But I find it increasingly hard to believe that there's so much that we know and yet nothing changes. I just wanted to add my two cents here real quick. I think it's more of a political posturing because what China has been doing up until now has been picking on members within those alliances that they deemed to be the weakest link. For example, they've recently been picking on New Zealand by threatening their trade. And the idea was that if they could pick off the smaller nations away, they could slowly, like, pulling a thread out of a sweater, you can unravel the whole thing. And I think the idea behind this is to present a unified voice and a unified kind of expression we're saying that we all together say that we are accusing you of this or that you are some way behind it. And that way, there's kind of a collective push behind it instead of just having a few of the stronger members where it's just like, all right, the big guy is saying it, but what about the small guys kind of thing? Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that's part of it. I also think that in the past it was, we think APT-40 is behind this. And China would say, no, they're not. That's ridiculous. And what's different here is APT-40 is behind it. We're tired of it. And we need you to stop. Now, stopping short of saying, and we're going to do sanctions, which would be more provocative. But again, I point out that China has not been dismissive of this. China hasn't done their usual shrug of like, ah, you're imagining things. I imagine they will. But just the fact that they're pausing a little longer to think about it is some sort of an effect, whether that will turn into anything or not, who knows. And also, I think the most practical part of this is having a unified document that says, hey, here's some mitigations. Here's some best practices. We're calling you out. You don't have to even take responsibility. We know what you're doing. And here's how to stop it world, I think, is maybe one of the more powerful parts of the entire statement. And you know what might turn into something? What, Sarah? Chili pepper seeds. OK? Hear me out. Yes, these will actually turn into something. Unlike political rhetoric. You're right. NASA astronauts are growing red and green chili peppers on the International Space Station. For what NASA says will be one of the longest and most challenging plant experiments attempted aboard the orbital lab. The 48 chili pepper seeds hitched a ride to the station in June on a SpaceX commercial resupply services mission. And NASA's Shane Kimbrough inserted the seeds. They were already inside a science carrier device into the Advanced Plant Habitat, or APH, on July 12th. The APH is the largest plant growth facility on the ISS, sporting 180 sensors, and even allowing partial control from the Kennedy Space Center back on Earth to make sure those peppers are looking OK. These are hatch green chilies, too. Which green chilies when they get ripened become red chilies, which is why you're seeing they're red and green chilies. But these are the kind of peppers that in these parts here, when they show up at the grocery store, they put a big banner up. Like the hatch green chilies are here, fresh from New Mexico, get up. Like, this is good stuff. I think this is glorious. I'm a big fan of the privatization currently going on in the space industry with Elon Musk and with Jeff Bezos and all of that thing. So I like that the interesting innovation and passenger dynamics is coming from the private sector. That said, I love NASA, and I would love NASA to focus on one of two things. Either kind of work-a-day, boring, research-type stuff and weird quirky stuff like this. And NASA now developing anti-gravity chili, which is absolutely what they should call it, is a phenomenal step in that direction. I love it when they do this. When I worked on The Hill, I used to go to astronaut meet and greets and just hang out with the astronauts. And the ones that I talked to, the last time I did it, the company gave them like a million dollars to hit a golf ball from space. And I talked to them about how many times do you think it went around the world? And they were like, it probably went around the world two or three hundred times. And then I went, could it have feasibly made it through the stratosphere? And they went, it could have. And I was like, so it's possible you hit a hole in one from space. And if that happened, we'd all have to become immediately religious. We just have to go, yep, this has been organized. This one comes from Sean. The age old question. Does anybody have a suggestion as to where to go to find the best method to illuminate or at least eliminate rather or at least lessen spam texts? Sean says about the best I've found without installing additional apps is just to block the sender. But that gets old really quick. And I think the sender is banking on that. Occasionally something does pop up that says that the sender isn't in my contact list to report junk. So, Sean, what are some of the things you've been doing recently? I assume Sean already turned on the anti-spam text and call setting in his phone. But just in case anybody didn't know that existed, check your phone. All phones have this now. And it's not always on. You may wonder why it's not always on, but it's not always on. So you may need to go in there and say, yeah, block suspected spam texts that only reduces the people who are willing to play by the rules of the do not call list, which is not most of the stuff you're going to get. And so then it's up to your carrier. And different carriers have different plans and different options. Some of them automatically do it. T-Mobile does it for me. I'll get the like, you know, scam suspected message on certain phone numbers and I can go into my carrier settings online and I can say just automatically block those or let them through and just let me know. There's a few things you can do, probably if you really, really need to block a third-party apps are the only super effective way to do it, though. I'm currently going through this because in promoting my book, Los Angeles is hideous. I bought the domain laisugly.com and whoever I bought it from apparently sells all of my information out because I've been getting text messages and phone calls multiple times a day the last week. And the only thing I've come up with is to pick up the phone and I am very nice because these are just regular people but I strongly indicate I might have murdered someone. Like I just, I mentioned offhand like I could use some marketing I promise I haven't killed anybody and I keep repeating that until eventually the conversation concludes. Yeah, as entertaining as that is all that really does is confirm that you have a working number. That's true, right? Okay, I'll get that third-party app. All right, all right. I have also been guilty of engaging in ways where I find myself to be very clever. But yeah, the spam. I got one during the show just now, potential spam. Many of them don't say that though and they're all spam. My personal hero Dave Berry ran for president in 2020 and the top thing in his platform was identifying and giving the death penalty to telemarketers. And I was like, if he managed to get into the debates, I think he might have won just based on that alone. Yeah, there's not a lot of love out there for that. No, definitely not. Well, if you have perhaps something that Sean hasn't tried that you'd like to pass along question, comments about anything we talk about here on DTNS do send it our way feedback at dailytechnewshow.com Shout out to patrons at our master and grandmaster levels. 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