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Well, I understand it's the case, particularly around the qualifications of Binnie himself who was very quick in the Canadian press to mouth off about how great it was that he was going to finally get to do something like this and it was one of his life's ambitions, but having never actually sat on any sort of criminal cases in the past. That's my understanding of some research that I've been doing about Binnie and looking into that. So I think there are some real concerns around that. Well, OK. But, David, to that I would say, well, it was the government who appointed Binnie. It was Simon Power, wasn't it? Yeah, it was Simon Power. Look, we do know that there's concerns over his report and the way I approach it, I think, about why would the government be concerned? I don't think it's the money, whether it's recommended one or two mil, that's to be blunt chicken feed to the government, your budget of 70 billion. So it's not that they're being stingy. The politically easy thing to do is probably just to say, well, we've got a recommendation, we'll follow up. The fact they're not at the stage that they're concerned suggests to me that there's something quite substantive that is concerning them about this, and we don't know what that is. But the easy thing to do would be say, yeah, here's the report they say, give Binnie some money, let's do it. So there's obviously something concerning them quite deeply. The bottom line is that paper boys don't deserve two million dollars. All right, well, you see clearly Collins doesn't accept the judge's findings, Cameron. I mean, that seems pretty clear, doesn't it, from what the Prime Minister's saying. She doesn't accept it. That's all we've got to go on at this stage, but yes, I think it is fairly clear that they don't accept the judge's findings and that they've gone and sought some additional opinions. I think we're going to have to wait and see what Judith Collins comes out with and I don't know what the timeframe is on that, although the Prime Minister was saying that it could be four or five weeks. OK, we'll come back in just a moment. Cameron Slater, David Farah on the huddle. And his talk said be, it's now 16-6. Business Banking Specialists at West Bank. Back on the huddle with Cameron Slater and David Farah. David, issue number two, Labour and the Greens. Could govern based on the latest chunk of polls? I don't think this is a remarkable thing, is it? Labour and the Green Government is a real possibility because National doesn't have a lot of friends. Oh, look, since the last election, National only got to form government by one vote before it had to rely on the Maori Party. So it's always going to be a pre-close race for 2014. One of the polls had Labour Greens to govern alone. The other had the Maori Party with the balance of power. So I don't think it's any surprise. I think the big things that are going to be looking for around the minor parties, too, does want to make it back. He's polling low at the moment, but you never count them out. Walls are conserved to make 4% or 5% at sets. But, you know, certainly Labour will be pleased to end the year going up in the polls. Maybe they should reappoint David Cunliffe to the front bench so they can... Well, let's see. That's an interesting thing, Cameron, isn't it? Does this not Cunliffe out for a while anyway? I would have thought she was safe for the moment. Oh, you can never keep a man who's so ambited with ambition out of the count ever. I think what will happen, though, is that his supporters will be smarting. He doesn't have very much support in caucus, but in the wider party, it's the least that he does. And they'll just sit there fulminating and throwing big wobblies over the Christmas break. We've already seen that across a number of the blogs that David Shearer doesn't read. And I think you're still going to see ruckians. I believe that David Shearer will win the vote in February, but you're still going to have a very negative and nasty split within the Labour camp. And, I mean, I seriously can't believe that there's 12.5% of morons out there who think that the Greens have got the answers for anything. Well, it's clear that they could be there, and Russell Norman could have a finance portfolio. Well, we could be looking at a road poll situation here. Anyway, David, the TPP, the talk start in Auckland today, the protest is there with the plaque ads. Where do they think the jobs are going to come from if we don't have these trade deals? There are some issues around TPP with some of what the US is asking for, but that's what the negotiations are for and the New Zealand negotiators are working hard. The trouble you get with the Greens with just talking about them, Jane Kelsey, is from why I can tell they've opposed every trade deal we've ever negotiated. And when you look at the China trade agreements, that's a huge success for New Zealand. Exports have gone up massively. There are some issues around TPP, but just this knee-jerk opposition to it, I don't think, helps anyone. What do you see in this, Cameron, farm agriculture non-negotiable according to the Prime Minister? Well, the Prime Minister's the Prime Minister. He'll cut us the best deal that we can. But honestly, anything that upsets Jane Kelsey has to be good. She's so far left, it's not funny. And when you look at her statements where she's saying that, you know, this will lock us in for a hundred years, those are actually just outright falsehoods. Well, you can walk away from the TPP, I was just saying, before at any point. Can't you just write a letter? Six months, no, sir. Six months, no, that's a big deal. So all of this spinning and carry-on, look, it's renter crowd. It's the same, you know, renter mob type. I imagine John Minto's out there with his megaphone. I thank you both. That is Cameron Slater and David Farrah on the huddle. Murray D. connects us now.