 He always asked very good questions and very insightful questions, so, you know, students who interact with you, you find more, more, most interesting. And then he took every course that I taught in toxicology. Then I left Minnesota to go to Tulane as head of environmental health there, and then came back in 1999. And Kelly was still here, taking classes. He had signed up for another class that I had taught. I said, Kelly, you know, I taught you everything I know, it's time for you to get a PhD. He had told me that he always wanted to know about how to do computer modeling. And so we had some projects we worked on in endocrine disrupting chemicals and chemicals in the environment which act as hormones. And he wanted to know, how does this interact with, say, the estrogen receptor? And we were looking at a compound called bisphenol A, which is the chemical that makes polycarbonate bottles. And, you know, there's a great concern about how that works and what it's doing in the human population. So he did some computer programming to figure out how this interacted with the estrogen receptor. He's some computer models, gave talks about it all over the world, was invited to various congresses, and published it, of course, in the literature. And he took a job at Medtronic, and it was a very strange thing. I thought he should go into academia, but Kelly is a very applied-minded person. He likes the work of the industry group. So he sort of shaped it into a very creative position. He's now senior toxicologist for the company. You know, he's very interested in history and why things are the way they are. And he delves very deeply into that. He's very knowledgeable about that. And I think that's part of the advantage of a liberal arts education, is that it broadens your perspective of how you approach problems in science and so on. So in my opinion, the best scientists are trained in liberal arts as well, not just focused only on mathematics and so on, although he's very good at both of those, too. When you talk to him, you recognize that he's a very friendly and outgoing young person. And he's full of knowledge, and he wants to share this knowledge with you all the time. We, in fact, use him as a teacher sometimes in some of our classes now, which I'm very happy to do, because he brings this perspective of historical background before and other applications, which we who sit in our academic world are very blind to a lot of them. But he's a very engaging person, is what I would say, and a very interesting person to have a conversation, good conversationalist, good listener.