 Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. All right, welcome. Welcome everyone. Thank you for joining us today. We are very happy to see you. This is the opening session to a series of webinars that will be held. Before we start, I want you to please note that you have the option to have interpretation at the bottom of your screen. If you go to the bottom, there's a globe. And at the globe, if you click on it, you can choose French or English interpretation. Or if you desafinate it, you will hear the language which the person is speaking with no interpretation. I think we should start. I will bring my presentation, and then we will have presentations in this session. If you would like to, I'll go to my presentation. Excuse me, Zainab, could you bring the microphone closer to your mouth please? It's difficult to hear you. So the objectives of this agenda for this meeting is, first of all, to give you a welcome. We'll be happy that you're here. And to give you some technical background, we'll be using a zoom with the interpretation. And there are a couple of things that we wanted to highlight so that we can do this interaction a little more smoothly. And then you go through the objectives of the consultation. And we'll take you to the survey, the participation, contents, et cetera. And then you will have a presentation from Gaspers-Pastry, who is from the Civilian National Commission and the Chair, or National Commission Laws for the advisory group where we are, Dynamic Coalition. We will have a presentation from the Vice-Clarke, who is there for monitoring and choosing the commonwealth of learning. Excuse me Zainab. We have a sound issue. There's background noise. It sounds like we can't hear you in the microphone again. So the interpreters are having great difficulty. Is this better? It's slightly better. Interpreters, is that better on the English channel? Hello, unfortunately, I don't think it's the background issue. It's the microphone, I think that's an issue. You think it's the microphone that's the issue? Have you still clicked on the... Zainab, can you click on the cask on your telephone again? Okay, just one second. Can you say a few words for us? Yes, can you hear me? Very badly. Can you say a few words again? Can you hear me now? No, it's not going through the microphone. Can you try what you did before during the test? I didn't do anything different. You clicked on the... You hit headset on your telephone. Yes, it's still... Oh yes, there. Is that better? Yes, much better. Thank you. All right, thank you. So we'll start again. We will have the technical background. We'll have the objectives of the consultation survey. We'll have a presentation from Mr. Hestush, who's from the Estonia National Commission, and he'll be speaking about the importance of governments and the activities of the Dynamic Coalition. We'll have a presentation from Ms. Alexi Kar, who's from the Commonwealth of Learning, and she's the Chair for Monitoring. Another presentation from Neil Butch, who is from OER Africa, who will speak with the Chair for Communications, and then a discussion and conclusion. I would just like to highlight that during the discussion, we'd like to ask you to please switch your... The next slide will be easier. Oh, sorry. Let me go in order. Objectives of this discussion, there are two, and it's for the same throughout the whole week. The first one is to clarify the priority areas of action per working group. The idea is to drill down on the recommendations of the final report and see which are the areas that we should focus on as a priority in each work group. The second is to drill down and identify activities and issues related to the establishment of an electronic information sharing and collaboration between the Dynamic Coalition partners. So what would the tool serve to do? What would be some of the user needs that are necessary? How can we serve the community to make sure that this really supports collaboration information exchange and joint activities? So these will be the issues will be addressed in each of the four working group sessions over the next three days. Now, I'm trying to change. Just some technical points. If you want to speak and ask questions, please use the Q&Box, not the chat. What the Q&A looks like. If you want to chat, we will be asking just to send you information, but we need to, in order to maintain some sort of form to the discussion, we need to work in chat. If you have a question, please raise your hand. And we will have all on the questions after the presentations. Finally, in terms of interpretations, as I mentioned earlier, if you click on this icon, you will see you can choose English or French interpretation. And in this regard, if you don't choose either and don't activate it, you will hear what is being said on the screen in the language that is being said. Also, the session is being recorded so that we will have some sort of record of the different discussions that we could go back to if we need to just for the report. I'm trying to change screen. In terms of the background to this discussion, as you know, and I think many of you were part of this discussion, we had the Dnemic Coalition launch in March 2020. And there was a final report which is available online and which I sent to you with the invitation, the link to in English and French. There was the establishment of the working groups and the working group leads. There was the survey which was sent and which many of you participated in. And this is now the consultation. In terms of the working groups, there are four, thematic ones, capacity building, policy, inclusive equitable quality OER sustainability. There are four transversal working groups on communication, monitoring, liaison with national commissions, emerging technologies and AI. Now to go to the survey. Since this is going to be the background to our discussions over the next two days, I'm just going to let you know who responded. We had some 26 respondents. I think we had 31 responses, sorry. And they were 16 male, 15 female. And that's quite good because it's not a very large response. It was a shorter time period than it was a little shorter time period than the dynamic coalition discussions in March. But it was a mean stuff, a basis for our discussions all together today and this week. In terms of the responses by region, you have them on the screen here. You'll see that there were a lot of responses from the Europe of America region, but there were also response from the other regions. And that's very, very encouraging because it's important that this is a really a global dynamic coalition and that we have voice of all regions present. For the next days we have the program is on your screen. As you can see, we have the opening today. The afternoon to the next tomorrow afternoon is sustainability. Then quality, inclusive, modernism, policy, capacity build, and then a closing. If you want to register for other sessions, you may do so by just going to just going, I think you've already registered. When you register one time, you've registered for all of them. And you're welcome to come to this one or as many. There's one thing I should mention that if you give your ID to someone else, they will come as you according to the system. So you might want to invite them to register directly themselves at the link which was sent earlier. So the chairs of each of these sessions are the chairs for the advisory group and for the working group in the OER Dammit Coalition. And sustainability, it's Ms. Lisa Petrucci's and Telameel for quality, inclusive multilingualism. It's Professor Bandeleria and Papa Yudah Dian from OER. And policy, we have Jane Frances Agbu, who's the OER Chair in Nigeria, and Maria Solidad Ramirez-Monte, who's the OER Chair in Mexico, and also the Chair for Policy. For capacity building, we have Dr. Jehan Osman in Egypt and Dr. Skander Genia, who is at the Ministry of Education in Indonesia. And in the opening and closing, we have the chairs, Gasper, as I mentioned earlier, Michia and Alexi. And also, I'm sorry, I should put also that Neil Butcher will be speaking here also on communications. There's the chair. And Neil will be the reporter for the session altogether. He'll be taking notes with his colleague Mohini, who's on this call also. And we hope to have the report of the meeting finished very soon after the meeting. We need to change. Whoops. So what are the next steps? What's the big picture? It's on your screen. Basically, we did the survey, having the online consultation in September, based on the outputs of this integrating them into it. We'll be starting the development of a communication and collaboration system. We'll be launching projects in the areas of the working groups. And they'll take stock of this sometime at the end of the year to make, to see that everything is on it. So it's all, and we started this only in March, so we hope that this will be fast enough. Now, there's one thing I want to just bring up. In terms of the inputs to the survey and inputs to the different activities, it's not all the same people all the same times. The people who participated, everybody was invited to participate, but I think there is a question of availability and we are all very busy. So there were a very large group who participated in the OER Diamond Coalition launch, which went on for one month. It was a very extensive time. It was also a very special time in the planet when many countries were being locked down. And then there was the dynamic, the consultation survey. The people who have participated in the survey are not all the same that participating in the consultation. So there is an overlap. And this is very good because it provides me to have a different variety of views to have a multiplicity of ways forward. With that, I give the floor to Gaspur, who will speak to you on the importance of national committees. Yes. I hope that you can hear me. Yes, we do. Okay. Thank you, Zeynep. It's really, many of you still remember me from the overall process of the OER recommendation. And I can say from my point of view, and this I think I am also somehow leading the transversal working group on national commissions in this process. And here I would like really to make a statement of what kind of importance it can be that not only national commissions, but also the governments of member states are involved in this overall process also now, especially now during the implementation of the OER recommendation. But I can say I experienced UNESCO for the last, I don't know, it could be 20 years already. And I do not remember that any recommendation that was adopted by UNESCO's member states was pushed through such an open and inclusive process like in this case for the OER recommendation. The overall start was the start of the cooperation among UNESCO, our OER chair in Ljubljana, and of course our national commission in the framework of the overall process of the recommendation before its adoption. Also through the organization of the Second World OER Congress, which was of course not organized by the Slovenian National Commission, but it was hosted and also supported by the Slovenian Ministry of Education, Science and Sports. So here we can see also and Zenep will confirm of course and other colleagues can confirm like Mikja, that the process wasn't easy. It was the four year process and if we remember all the discussions among diplomats and experts in the executive board sessions, where we also, okay, we were lucky because Slovenia was at this time a member of the executive board, but we have seen that also a small member state, not a large and rich one like Germany or at this time still the US or other countries, but a small tiny little country from southeastern Europe was able and strong enough to somehow push other much larger member states to somehow see and confirm that this process is worth enough that they support it and that they cooperate. And I can see it now the way how it came up now, the dynamic coalition, we talked about it already during the World OER Congress. The ideas came up and now after the launch of the dynamic coalition and I have checked, okay, I wasn't with you through the time now after March, but I have promised not only to Zainab, but also to myself because I think it's really of big importance that also not an expert in the field of open education, but a representative of a UNESCO national commission, so a representative of a national government can be of added value also for the success of this coalition. And I agreed with this and I see that it's really still worth because I can see what happens when also, I don't know, a ministry, it's not in our case unfortunately, but for example in Germany for the last years the OER movement received still quite a nice amount of fundings for the development of OER, especially in Germany and German speaking countries. And I think it's really important to stress this, that it's worth, I don't know, I will give the communication again to all national commissions in this world and some of them are listening to me and I think that it came over to all of you who are listening now to me, that I still have this enthusiasm and I confirm and I agree that it's also for myself in a personal capacity of a huge value to be part of this team. So for now I would like to thank you for your attention and I will stay with you as much as possible during the consultations this week and thank you very much. Thank you, Gaspere, thank you very much. I will now the floor to Micha, Micha Jermo, who is the chair for emerging technologies and AI. This is just to let you know, this field is specifically marked in the recommendation text as an area that has to be taken into account during the implementation of activities because it's important that our work is forward-looking and takes into account technology that is coming in here. Jermo, please, Micha, please. So hi all, I hope that you can hear me. So there is quite a lot of work that we did and we are doing still in the area of how to actually ease the use of OER. So what we find out in the course of the development being involved in the OER community is that, let me check if this works, trying to move slides for her. Now, can you go back, Nil, is it me or is it you doing this? It's you. It's me trying to get back. You have to roll it with your mouse. I'm doing that, but it doesn't really work. Nil, can you take over? Can you go back, Nil, to one slide back? One second. Let's start from the beginning. Okay, so next slide. So this is what is going on. So there is plenty of new OERs coming out. We are involved in many different initiatives in many different projects here at EU, but also in the global level and we see that this is really expanding. So the problem, so next click. The problem is that those OERs are in various isolated sites. There are different modalities. There are various formats, language diversity. I mean, everything which is there is mostly in English, but still there are plenty of OER elements that we are not looking at. I'm not using because they are in different other languages. There's a various format. So you have everything, can you go, sorry, various formats. So everything from textual to PDFs to pictures, movies and all this stuff. We don't know about the rights, whether the rights are there and when the proper licenses are assigned to this content. And in most cases you have deadlines, different languages of quality. And so when you talk to people and particularly teachers who are actually also the creators of OER and ask them, so why are you not using OERs? They will tell you, well, those are the things. This is why I'm not using OERs. So now when we saw this and when we discussed about these issues years ago already, since we are involved in the development of various algorithms from the broad range of artificial intelligence, we find out that most of these cases can be actually solved with the AI that we have. So next slide. So for example, some of these things that we already do and I can bring in as a value to grasp the OER problems. So it's actually that it's very easy to gather contents, to do content cleaning, to do the content structure. And this is independent on modality. So it could be in any type of modality, it could be in any type of language, any type of alphabets. We do, and you know that and you are using that already. So we do automatic translation and we do cultural adaptation because we are able to understand what is the background knowledge that actually is then influencing the content or the services of OER. Then on the other side we do contextualization, adaptation to personal needs and preferences. So this personalized learning, non-intrusive contextualized learning. There is quite a lot of work you know already which is about learning analytics and user modeling. So on one side understanding content, on the other side understanding users would actually mean that you can do personalized learning. But there are also other stuff that we do and those are the things that actually are the edge right now in the research in the particular area of artificial intelligence is about not just about processing content but also understanding content. And since you are able to understand content, next click, then you can do and you create something which will be let's say a kind of a global open AI teacher that will on one side learn from content on the web, learn from content from people and then actually provide everything in a structured way back to the users. Next click. So for example this is what we do. Those are the things that we are doing already. So there is a service running which actually automatically ingest, clean fuse and pre-process all your content. So everything that was said at the first, at the first second slide with the challenges are being partly solved already with something which is the pipeline like this. So on one side we are collecting all this information and then we are trying to use all these technologies that we have to understand the structure and to properly force the content, the OER into something that would be then useful for others to use. Now the other part which is not there yet but we have some prototypes ready is about how to process the quality. How can you actually provide out of all these big chunks of materials saying that those materials are better prepared or of higher quality than the others. So kind of a ranking mechanism. And then on the other side, on the fourth side is the issue about whether we can take out some more information, some more knowledge from what we are collecting across the globe which is finding out what are the didactical and pedagogical elements inside this OER. So those are the things that certainly can help and if we are able as a community to develop such a kind of a mechanism and make it open and transparent for anybody to open the use, then we have provided actually a highway for the developers of any type of application on the top of the collection of OER. And this is the live stream. So this is the live stream of information that is actually being collected across the globe. Next slide. So this is what we also do. So click once more, please. And once more. So this is what we also do. So we are now trying to put things together in something which would be a more comprehensive environment. It's not just about collecting OERs. It's about the understanding what is going on on the global education. So what is going on the level of all the elements in education. Not just about content but also policies, also models, also learning behaviors. Everything what can be accessed there to put in something which will be a digital for a global educational situation awareness system. And we have a prototype now that is actually able to provide some inputs to policies as well. So it's not just about creating and assessing materials which are there, but it's also about using all this information that we could collect and it's available to provide something more than just a pipeline of the OER materials. Next slide, please. And since we are able to do that, of course, and this is what I said already about the AI teacher, what we have already is a prototype. And there are several prototypes. So it's just ours. There are many others as well, which are now, you know, you have an AI that is actually automatically learning. It's learning from the web. Click, click, click. It's learning from people. So asking questions, getting information and then providing everything to everybody. So it's a kind of a global AI open source software that is on one side collecting information, structured information, putting information in knowledge and providing back to the user in a personalized way. Next slide. So what if we will really be able to create this kind of a pipeline? So on one side, understanding content, so automatic ingest and cleaning fusion, the one I showed you already. On the other side, understanding users, user understanding, social and auto modeling. So if we know two things and if we understand what are the perceptions, what are the needs, what are the preferences of each particular individual, we can create the career path. And then when you have the career path, you can actually create something which would be an adaptive learning environment for every and each individual. So it's more just about the OER. It's about putting all these bits and pieces and those are already developed, developed software elements that are being used in several applications into something which would be a comprehensive view or comprehensive use of the global knowledge and it's actually a transformation from what we are looking at today as an educational system, something which is educational system that is adapted to each particular individual. Next slide, please. And of course it's more than just about this. So we are able to calculate competencies. Just go next slide one. Next one. This is just to show you how we do that. Next one. Then since we know on one side you've seen we understand the OER, we have collected OER and we understand the user. Then we can create learning pathways. This is already running. So here we are creating learning pathways for each particular individual based on their preferences and on one side what are the OER available. Next slide. We are playing with micro-credentials and qualifications. So here where AI comes in, of course, is when you do automatic matching between competencies standards globally. You have many competencies standards which are not matched. So if you would have today a micro-credential, a micro-credential password, you cannot really go to the country X and this would be automatically translated. So this is what we also do with AI. Next slide, please. Next slide. And so what I wanted to say is actually there are many things that AI can solve. What I'm always preaching is that we are, you know, using AI for years now in smart cities, in intelligent cars, in intelligent environments, in whatever sort of human domains. But we did quite few things on learning and those are the things that we are now developing that not just us, so it's a global community. They are available. It's not that this would be prototypes. It's actually a real software. And the aim of it is that this would be available to anybody to easily overcome all the challenges that has been set up in the second slide. So this is briefly what I wanted to tell you. Thank you. Thank you very much. So as you can see from this presentation, there is a lot of work that we can think of as we develop the projects further than working groups where we can incorporate a lot of things in order to ensure that they can be very forward-looking. With that, I give the floor to Alexi Carr, who's joining us from Vancouver. So it's something like 2.30 in the morning for her, to speak on monitoring and the importance of monitoring with the activities. Alexi, please. Hi, thank you, Zainab. Yes, as Zainab mentioned, it is quite late for early here for me. So I'll keep it brief also to knowing that we have limited time and there's a few other agenda items to get through. So Zainab's earlier presentation pointed out that the purpose of these consultations over the next few days would be to identify some possible actions going forward. So given that we're in these early stages of still discussing the possible actions, I'll just focus on a few broad points that are relevant to monitoring at this stage. So basically looking essentially at why monitoring will be important moving forward and what we can keep in mind during our discussions. So as you know, monitoring is positioned as one of the transversal themes, which cuts across the four thematic working groups of the coalition. In broad terms, the monitoring serves three purposes essentially. So first of all, it's going to help us to determine if we're on track to achieve what we set out to achieve. So this is generally the accountability or performance measurement kind of mechanism or function of the monitoring. Secondly, it's about informing improvement, right? So if we have a sense of whether we're meeting our objectives or not, then we can move forward and determine how to course correct or adjust accordingly. And then lastly, monitoring is important from an evidence standpoint. So a lot of the earlier discussions, we've talked about this idea of research and how it's going to be key for evidence-based advocacy efforts. So obviously monitoring that's a mechanism for getting data that can really inform this kind of research, which is valuable for advocacy. So in this early stage, as we begin to think in more detail about some of the proposed activities or intended results, it's important to think through not just the immediate outputs, but also some of the outcomes and impact that are envisioned. And as well as this, the relevant indicators that we might use to track progress. So the earlier discussions in March, which have been referred to previously, they generated a number of possible indicators for each of the thematic areas. And these have been summarized in the final report on the OER Dynamic Coalition. So if you haven't had a chance to read through that, that would be a very useful document to refer to. These indicators covered both qualitative and quantitative indicators, both of which are important. So the quantitative tends to be easier to collect, but the qualitative gives a bit more depth and richer information. At the output level, some of the indicators raised in those earlier sessions were, for example, number of OER, number of repositories, number of capacity building solutions. Towards the outcome level, indicators related to usage and adoption were raised. So for example, number of users adapting OER to their context, number of countries that have produced action plans for sustainability, overall adoption of OER in education systems. The report also presents some suggested indicators related to impact of OER on teaching and learning. So specifically on behavior change, changes to practice and learning outcomes as well. And so another main point that emerged in those earlier discussions, which I think is relevant as we move ahead over the next few days, is the importance of focusing on this entire value chain of results. So from outputs to impact, as well as considering the multiple stakeholders that may benefit in different ways from the proposed actions. So yeah, to wrap up basically as we begin discussions over the next three days, I think it will be very helpful to just really think through in a bit more detail some of the intended outputs and outcomes of the activities that we identify, as well as how these link to the overall objectives and the recommendations. And to start to think about the indicators as well. So this helps to establish a shared initial understanding of objectives, which will be key. And I will be participating in working groups for and to, because of some of the time zone challenges, but I'm happy to discuss with anyone from any of the other groups. If you don't happen to be in either of those two sessions. So thank you very much. I'll pass it back to you. Thank you. Thank you very much, Alexi. That's really very clear and very precise. We have gotten over the problem of space. Now it's a problem of time that we're having trouble with, I think. But with that, give the floor to Neil, who's going to the chair for communications and he'll be talking about the communication strategy and how they'll forward in this area. Neil, the floor is yours. Hello, everyone. As Zep has mentioned, my name is Neil Buchan from OER Africa, which is an initiative that's working predominantly in the higher education sector in Africa, supporting the Association of African Universities and the African Librarians Association, amongst others, to help to try to foster effective OER practices. And by that I mean practices that harmlessly use of OER to improve the quality of teaching and learning in our educational institutions on the continent. I'm stressing that point just as by way of introduction to the communication strategy because I think that in many respects, that's going to be one of the key challenges that we face as we engage in the work of the key working groups. It is not only to think about the actual initiatives and projects of each of the different working groups, but also to think about how the way in which we share information with key stakeholders associated with the OER recommendation helps them to understand how to solve that problem. In other words, how to integrate effective use of OER into their policies, into their practices, in ways that really improve the quality of the teaching and learning experience of our students. So obviously the communication strategy is going to be, although it's cross cutting across all the working groups, I think it's going to be a critical aspect of the success of those working groups because to date, although we would love to believe otherwise, the sad reality is that still the concept of OER and its integration into educational policies, particularly at the government level, but also to a significant extent in educational institutions is very much still on the margins. So while it will be important for us to do good work, it's also going to be really important to find ways to reach out across the globe and make sure that key stakeholders like governments, like donors, like educational institutions and other key decision makers understand what the OER recommendation is really all about and understanding very clear, practical and simple terms how they can integrate OER practices into their own work and into their own policies in ways that will achieve those educational goals. So in simple terms, the goal of the communication strategy at the moment is to create awareness of the OER recommendation itself, to raise public awareness of the relevance and potential benefits of OER adoption, to ensure that all stakeholders have a full understanding of the relevance of the recommendation and to encourage its implementation and then very importantly to collect and disseminate progress, good practices and innovations related to OER use and policy supporting OER. I think that area is going to be particularly important to integrate into the working groups because I think if we can give people from a communications perspective a clear and grounded practical understanding of how they can do these things through illustrative examples, that will be a very powerful mode of communication. Also then to facilitate community engagement with the OER recommendation in policy development, we obviously want to make sure that the dynamic coalition is not a one-way conversation from UNESCO to others, but that it facilitates ongoing interaction and discussion amongst the key stakeholders. And lastly, to encourage sustainable business models and launch funding strategies to support OER use, which will come down the line. So in the communication strategy so far, we've identified a number of target audiences that I've sort of spoken about in very general terms. And then we've identified some initial kinds of activities that we think may help with communication and may support the dissemination of the knowledge coming from the working groups. There's nothing particularly surprising about the ideas that we've flagged so far. Things like providing templates, adaptable resources and video tutorials, sharing lessons, learn success stories and best practices, creating easily digestible strategies for the examples of policy development and implementation, including sample policy frameworks and toolkits and so on and so on. And of course, it was always anticipated that the communication strategy would have a very strongly focused digital component using online technologies and portals as key mechanisms for that dissemination. That's obviously something we've all learned much faster as a consequence of the coronavirus pandemic, but I think that some of those changes will be lasting even once we've managed to get that under control. But of course, over time, hopefully the communication strategy will also be able to reintroduce face-to-face engagements and events to bring people together and give them the opportunity to meet and discuss. For the communication strategy so far, we haven't really gone into detail because what we're expecting is that the results of discussions taking place over the next couple of days will provide a basis for informing how the communication strategy should move forward and be implemented. So as Zennip has mentioned, I will be functioning as a rapporteur with my colleague Mahini in each of the working group sessions. And as part of that, in addition to recording the results of the discussions, we will also be extracting from that ideas that can inform a more detailed and concrete communication strategy which we will share with all of the members of the dynamic coalition so that you'll be able to provide your input at that stage. So that's really where we're headed with the communications working group. Like Alexis' working group, this is a cross-cutting one, but I hope you'll agree that communication from, through and across all the working groups is going to be critical to the success of the OER recommendation, both to raise awareness and to make sure that the way in which it's implemented is actually achieving its educational goals. Thank you, Zennip. Thank you very much, Neil. As you can see, we start this project on the 2nd of March, and since then, a lot has changed in the world. And the one thing that has come very clearly across is that digital communication is paramount right now. And we will have to find ways of being forward that are innovative and that are accessible. I would like to add one point to the discussions. For the work of the OER Dynamic Coalition, there are some principles which are inside the recommendation and which many of you have understood in the discussions to make this recommendation a reality that we really assist or maintain in the work. And that's the gender equality of multi-secalism and multilingualism. And also of geographic balance. So while we're doing this and in this digital framework, you will see that there is, you'll see, for example, that we have more participation from more people from different parts of the world thanks to the digital framework. And we have more participation from when, particularly thanks to the digital framework. And particularly thanks to the digital exchange. So we have to see as a community how we can move forward and capemise on this and even use the strength of this diversity in making something, a project, work, collective experience which is very, very innovative. Now, we've talked a lot. We'd like to invite OPA floor to discussion. We can go over a little bit if you want, so don't feel that we have to speak too quickly. But I would like to open the floor. If you want to raise a point, please raise your hand or put something in the question and response. The reason we're not using the conversation, the button in these discussions is because it's too, there are too many people here for us to be able to ensure organised discussion with the number of people that we have involved in the project. In the project, in the meeting itself. So I open the floor. Are there any questions? Anybody wants to take the floor? In the question and response box, there have been questions that were brought up. One of them was in the slide which I showed you. There was a link between the numbers of the working groups on terms of Friday. So as you know, the one on Friday is working and it's work group one, not four. There's a question about the chat. And that we will share the slides. There is a question from Gemma and it's how important and possible do you think it would recommend users to use open formats beyond open licenses to create OER. I'm reading it out loud so there is interpretation. And the response from the feature was that it was as possible we are automatically detecting what type of licenses assigned to a particular content. What we are doing today is categorizing content based on these detected licenses and just the ones which have the proper license. We are flagging the others. So we are collecting also content for licenses not clear. That can be further resolved directly to the career. So that's what there. I see that there is another question. Igor writes, would it be possible to put some insights on how many types participants are on this call and how many signed up for different working groups? Yes, but not scientifically because we haven't made the tables but we will buy that after the meeting when we finish the discussions and we will do an analysis by gender and by region and I think that Neil would also answer this question. Neil, go ahead. I was just going to add that I will make sure that all of that information is contained in the final report which we will obviously circulate to everyone. We have a hot question from Saad Azri. What about cybersecurity? Is that the most important topic while moving to the digital world? Can I open the floor to there's another question here from Christian and from Cable and then from there I will open the floor to the panelists from Christian. Thank you. Is there already a commitment by National School Member States to use the qualitative and quantitative indicators for OER? If not, can we do to achieve it? And from Cable, will the participants have communications to work with, share knowledge with each other, listserv, zoom rooms on Docs, etc. Can I answer while I have the microphone? Can I give my inputs to the three questions and then I will give the floor to the panelists. Oh, there's more. Oh, there's one more. I didn't fully understand if Mitchell's research is funded on a national or international level. Is it OER Slovenia or an international institution that supports research on AI and OER? Okay, I will answer the ones that I have. And in terms of cyber security, it's an issue that we will have to address. And in the document itself and the recommendation, there is a talk of data protection was put in there specifically by a number of states. And it's definitely a very important topic as we move more and more into the digital world. And I will ask my panelists also to provide us to that in terms of commitment national member states to use qualitative and quantitative indicators for OER. What there is is a commitment to do monitoring based on the text of the recommendation. And that is to monitor progress on the use of the implementation of the recommendation in terms of quantitative and qualitative invaders. First of all, we have to figure out actually what and how and why we'll have to see in terms of the work that we do in the OER Dynamic Commission and we will have to first decide what we're doing and then see how we're going to measure it and monitor it. So that is something that is going to be a word progress in terms of national commitments. There are national commitments that are available in the recommendation and its section on monitoring, which is the final section of the recommendation, which is available on the cable. In terms of the working groups we will be working on the basis of the discussions are within those two days and it's going to be on during the discussions and we will come up with the outcomes during that discussion and share with all. These online consultations are for the period which they are in order to produce the result which we have said and we will be doing the work at present time during the conversations. In terms of Meach's research I give the floor to Charlotte to Meach and I see there is a further question and we'll answer the last question after. Meach, would you like to? Of course, so I'm also typing down this. So more or less whatever we do is more or less supported and financed by the international project. So on one side this would be European commission projects and I will just type you in the link to one of those as an example. So with AI it's like this. So we are involved in different sorts of research and development with different domains. So everything as I said from smart cities to cyber security as well. But more or less all bits and pieces that we are developing are fitting into the same code library and we are using this code library now to create this pipeline of technologies that I actually presented. This is number one. Number two is that since we set up the first AI international research center at our institute recently now the work on AI education is being started there. So the ones I've shown the one of the slides I've shown which is the digital twin of the country of the globe this is actually being now developed inside under the umbrella of this UNESCO Air Subcenter and this is not just Slovenia is not just our institution it's international team of experts. Thank you Alexi would you like to write some inputs? Alexi are you here? I think we might have lost Alexi. Yeah I'm here sorry. Yeah so go ahead. Yeah so in terms of the questions that were posed I think you've addressed quite well the one that's linked to the monitoring so just that distinction between the monitoring that's outlined in the recommendations versus what will be established within the actual coalition based on the discussions that occur in the activities that are proposed so we're still very much at the early stages of developing ideas for the activities and then we can move forward with the actual qualitative and quantitative indicators. Okay thank you Alexi would you like to add anything? Maybe just as an add-on to your responses to Cable I think it's also just useful Cable to differentiate between this phase where we're the chairs of the working groups are really just tasked with assembling strategies for each working group which then UNESCO will consolidate into an overall plan for the dynamic coalition and then the later implementation as I'm mapped up with the communication strategy once we get into that implementation phase obviously there's also going to then be a range of communication tools that people are involved in the dynamic coalition and the work of the OER recommendation will be able to use to work with and share knowledge with one another that's going to be a central aspect of the success of the implementation I think so this is just the initial first phase as per Zenef's slide that she shared earlier I hope that makes sense Okay and I think Gashper has left us so I cannot ask him Gashper are you there? No I don't think so Oh you're here, okay do you want to do anything? I had a call so sorry Zenef there's just a couple of questions that people are asking about how they can make inputs by the individual sessions if they're not able to participate in them due to time zone differences Yes I saw that I would propose that what we do is that I send after this message I send the message to the dynamic coalition with the mechanism which I will identify clearly in the message on where you can send your inputs to the sessions during the in writing if you can't physically there. Now I just want Gashper to go systematically through it so that we make sure we address everything so Leo have meant, so thanks to all the speech and I'm reading it out loud because I want to make sure that it's also interpreted into French. Thanks to all the speakers for this fascinating introduction some mention was made of the results of consultation and survey that has already taken place. I wonder if these results are available to consider in bands of the working group meeting. Yes they are and I'll send them out after this meeting. Congratulations to the dynamic coalition on progress on the OER recommendations for a practical question. How do you visit input during the discussion consultation from times that do not coincide with the synchronizing sessions? I think we're going to have to find a way of doing that sending in the participation. If you cannot attend the discussions it's the same, but we can't age in the decision making process of the working group. First of all, just to make it clear we had already opened up all the areas of discussion for a one week survey. Actually it went on for more than a week about 10 days there was no survey and we invited the entire dynamic coalition to send their inputs and the pieces of the discussions in the working groups are your inputs to this survey and so if you did not get a chance to add to the survey we cannot open it in right now because it's too complicated to do at this late stage, but we will send a link, a way, a means for you to send inputs to the working groups. From Mr. Joseph Nino in terms of sustainability and localization of OERs how is it possible to collaborate with local partners? I think that's going to be a very important question and I think it should be something which will be addressed inside the working groups. I will lead also to my call on the panel address this one also. Hi Zane, thanks for another great opportunity. Learning Curve is possible for us to thrush out the issue of the aborted work. This is referring to another workshop that was done with Nigeria and I will get back to Chris on this. Christians, by the way, I cannot see all questions answered. I did see Cable's comment. It's there. It's the last one before Leo Hevman's comment at 1151. Cable wrote it in 49. So I open the floor. Could I give the floor perhaps to Alexi? Do you have any inputs? No, I don't have anything specific. I think you've kind of addressed those questions on the point of sustainability and localization of OERs. I think as you noted it makes sense for that to be fleshed out a bit in those the working group sessions that are coming up. Okay. And Mietsha, do you have anything? Sorry Zane, if I was busy on typing and answering questions in the chat. So what was the answer? Do you have any inputs to any of the questions that we just threw? I'm typing in. Could you please read it out loud because we can make sure that it's inputted. So where it goes? So if I answer them, it goes Result Resolved. Answered. So there was a question about, so let me there was a question about I'm completely lost. I cannot see now where my answer went. So there was a question about the cyber security. So cyber security, it's of course it's important now in respect to the OER. So cyber security is important for the process, the process which would be open education. Now for the OER, the importance of the cyber security needs particularly at the level of let's say fake content, fake news type of issues. So there are some mechanisms that we are developing in particularly for the for detecting suspicious content, which would be something which we are not sure about whether this is true or not. But then in this respect, we are now playing with the model of human in the loop. So that we are actually learning how experts, in particular for journalists now I'm saying from the journalist and that can be then used for OER as well are looking and categorizing the news whether if this is a fake or not really proper proper news. So the model we are testing is there for the cyber security as such, of course this is an issue it is an issue that goes on the level of the the process of education when there could be any type of breaches. And so for that certainly there are already existing solutions what we are doing if you are interested in of what we are doing in cyber security in in a global sense is that actually we are using AI now not just to fight the cyber cyber breaches but also to predict in advance potential breaches. And this is not the technical but also the complete scenario of cyber security attacks. So those are the things we do for other domains but certainly whatever we are developing of course can be will be used in the open location as well. This was one question and the other was about and I'm just answering it right now I think is it I think So Wayne was putting the question about the congratulations to the dynamic coalition team on progress on the OVR recommendations so far are practical questions how do you envisage using during the discussion from time zones that do not coincide with the synchronous sessions so what we do now is a kind of a combination between offline and online but certainly this is the point that should be should be addressed and we should find out the solution that this would be on one spot under one umbrella and mixing both okay thank you um Neil do you have any inputs nothing further from my side okay Gasper anything you'd like to add Gasper okay I think we might have lost him um just as you can see see if we have any further questions let me see I don't think we do but let me see I think that seems to be a problem with synchronization thanks for synchronization we'll check Leo's comment I read it out loud during the discussion it's ordered to local time on the machine okay I think that brings us to the last point which I think is important to note this is one of the first times that we're doing a zoom with interpretation and we just need to have some bugs to iron out but we're I think it's way forward and it does address the objectives of measuring as much as possible in civility in terms of language and time zone and not time zones but place and now we have to deal with time so we've got we've got the geographic issue but not the time issue so what we have if there are no further questions what I pose is that we will we will send a response concerning a means to provide inputs to the working groups that are that you may not be able to attend because of time because of time constraints and in the next hour or so through the list of what received the invitation to this event and we will we will continue this session I'd like to thank you all very much for coming and we look very much forward to your input to the discussions to come and realize that this is perhaps a new way of discussing and we have because we did this intellectual exchange that we would do face to face in most in circumstances earlier but this is where we are and we have to forward and find innovative ways of doing what we did better and then the way we did them before using the technology at hand and with that I'd like to thank you, thank the panel for your inputs and the next session is this in place this afternoon at 4.30 CET and it will be on sustainability and it will be shared by Ms. Jihan Osman who is the director for sustainability sorry not Jihan, I'm sorry but these are petrities and tell Emile who are the chairs for sustainability thank you very much and see you hopefully this afternoon if you can and if you can and if you can't we'll send the means to send inputs to this discussion further to the inputs that you already sent using the survey thanks very much, bye bye