 Howdy folks. We'll get started at about five after. If you have any agenda items or please add it to the meeting notes, you can add your name and be appreciated. Meeting notes have been posted to the zoom chat. Hello everyone. Hi Akash. Welcome, Rich Victor. Yeah, we're both on the talk on music group. I think the whole time. Well, good morning. Does anyone have anything that'd like to add to the agenda? Share my screen here. All right. Yeah, so if you can add yourself to the meeting that we appreciate it. Those notes have been posted to the zoom chat. There are also available in the calendar. Those who haven't joined this called for this is the cloud network function working group. We meet every Monday at 1600. UTC, I think this should say nine AM Pacific, although has been some talk about staying with the same time. And moving with the time change rather than staying with UTC time may put up a doodle poll for that. So it would be eight AM Pacific, which I think is 1600 BST England reference. Right. So we're looking at. We'd like to complete our co-chair elections. We have a couple of entries, but anyone else is interested in putting their name forward, or if you know someone who might be good and you want to reach out to them and ask them. So we'll help move this working group along and such, then please have them jump on the mailing list and make it submit. There's a telco micro survey that CNC has put out to try to get feedback and help with direction on things, whatever people are having concerns and what they care about. Please fill out the survey. Also post it in the zoom chat. So that CNCF can get that feedback. Big announcement for those who haven't seen already CNCF launched a CNF certification program. This is a beta release. This is actual website, but you can go to CNCF IO slash CNF. See a lot about that. I'll get back into it here in a minute when I give an intro. Let's see. CFPs are closed on a lot of things, but they are open for, let's see. Well, no, they're closed for open source somebody you know it's past May 30 and cube con North America closed this past Friday. So those are closed. The open network edge summit CFPs and elephants developer testing forum. I don't know if either of those are open as of yet the CFPs. Those are the events that I know about. I'll jump into a little bit more about certifications. So you're on the top of music. This will be a repeat chance for questions and miss part of it. Here we go. So again, CNCF launched a certification at cube con EU. This certification is there to help network equipment providers vendors that are creating CNS to communicate that they are following cloud native best practices. The CSPs are consuming and utilizing those CNS know that so that's what this certifications about similar to the Kubernetes conformance program that CNCF runs this for the beta release. One level certified by a cube con North America, probably we're going to be introducing multiple levels like silver, gold, platinum, whatever those levels may be. There's actually already test and a lot of the tests in place that would be going into additional levels are already there. So if you're running through using the certification software and passing more of the tests, then you're going to be more ready for those next levels. The tests are split into essential normal and bonus and those will, as you hit more and more of those get past one more you will get to higher levels. So again, you can go to CNCF a slash CNF start there's some terms and conditions of participation form that's when you get started the first time. If you're submitting a new version of a product that comes out or maybe even new products as as you're coming forward, you won't have to do everything again and again, you'll be focused on passing the test and submitting the results. So there's a set of instructions for actually going through the certification similar to Kubernetes itself certified type process. And when you share the results to be reviewed. You'll do that with a pull request. After passing review will be added to the landing page and the CNF. The landscape so the landing page for the CNF is this slash CNF as well as a CNCF landing page with other projects and companies and stuff like that but specifically and I coming CNF certified CNF area, then you'll be awarded a badge. Take a quick look for those who haven't seen it at the how to get certified. So that after you get through that this technical. The requirements for terms and conditions. There's some technical prerequisites which are pretty straightforward certified Kubernetes cluster Linux workstation where you'll run the actual test software. Pointing a cube config at your Kubernetes cluster. And then you can run the five commands after you have a configuration file which we have a lot of documentation for configuring your CNF we you download a binary release. Pull in its dependencies. And then as you're CNF configuration run the cert command and you'll get a set of results on the console. Output as well as saved into a file. You're going to use that file, along with a few other things when you upload to the CNF certification repository. With a, the results that configuration file. It's about how to reproduce the results, and then the product information for what you're actually certifying and this will be what's used on the landing page, and then the landscape. You're not already familiar with test suite. This is what's powering the certification. Framework and set of tests that can be utilized for checking best practices and a lot of areas like security, state compatibility and solubility. These are things that we've heard feedback that are important and CSPs so onboarding CNS and the compatibility and compatibility configuration does the tie in with that as well as your life cycle management CNF. Securities are big things that category split off there. This allows you to focus in if you're doing development, and you have an area that your CNF focuses in then you may have more features there. You can run these set of tests in categories. If you want to or you can run the full set, or you can just run the certification set because the test suite has a lot more than the certification itself. The test suite utilizes some upstream tools, including some from CNCF projects. If you're familiar with those, then you may already be familiar with some of the tests like litmus does chaos testing, which deals with resiliency and other things. We've had a lot of contributors, the test suite, happy to have more if you're interested in whether helping with bug reports, ideas, or actually implementing and contributing new tests would love to see that. We want to get started with the test suite before you actually try the certification, whether it's early for you in the CNF creation or you're moving over to Kubernetes already and you want to make improvements. We have a lot of documentation the test suite itself. We have a set of instructions that you can follow using some example configuration files and example CNS to try out your environment and see how the test suite works before you get going with your own CNF. This is the CNF workgroup. We have a few others areas like the contributor call on Thursdays which is more technical focus, some public Slack channels that you can join. And we have mailing lists for all of these, including the working group and test suite. So if you want to bring this back to the front, please respond and add your feedback for the telco focus market survey so CNCF has that. And if you want to help with adoption of the certification and these best practices, CNCF has a marketing toolkit around the certification itself. So if you can schedule a demo, if you'd like, you could shoot either of Lucina or myself an email, or scan this, you'll go to, I believe the Calomly, and we can talk with you in more depth about the certification and or the test suite. All right. Any questions, comments. Oh, I see one in chat. So is there a need to use helm or helm charts. So the CNF test suite supports both helm and manifest files so if you have a directory with manifest files for the CNF, it can utilize that. So there are tests that are around helm, including linting and other various checks if you have readiness and liveness items and overall helm especially for a more complex CNF, I would say is recommended and definitely easier to use than just raw manifest. Right now, those would be the two ways. I don't think there's any essential tests that are helm that would, if I'm recalling right but I do believe that they're at the normal level so that might affect like higher levels of passing but if you have other if you're using other packaging management software and like to hear about that. Are there any other questions. Okay, so another one in chat. How are these related to son a boy. So, no direct relation to son a boy son a boy is a testing framework. Son a boy runs the E to E test from the Kubernetes sig testing son a boy doesn't actually have tests itself for kubernetes and the similarity would be that the CNF test suite is a framework and you can write test it actually has test included whenever you download it. And similarly, you could externalize this test, and it actually does run some stuff like the litmus chaos test so it's actually wrapping those so that would be similar to son a boy, but it's not utilizing son a boy to run those tests itself. It's its own framework its own software. So, some of the items are maybe modeled after how son a boy works. Any other questions. Anything else. All right. Well, if you are interested in more, feel free to reach out or go to the CNC FIO CNF page. I think that's it on the agenda does anyone have any other items that like to talk about. And if you're trying to talk, you may be muted. No Taylor, I don't have any topics. Thanks. Yes. For for support. I know there's like channels but they seem very quiet. Is there any other way to get support or is it the only one. Sure. So, you can open issues on the page would be one other place and melt. We have the mailing list that get hub. You can besides the slack. If there's actually listening to my forgetting is was there a direct email yet for the CNF certification or test suite. Was it a question for me. No, I was asking. Yeah, there's an email address. I yeah so there's an email address. I'm trying to. There we go CNF certification at CNC FIO. So he is for general support only for reporting problems with the kind of the process. I thought that was only to report problems not to get help to troubleshoot or things like that that's the kind of support I'm talking about. So, I mean, wherever you want to get started on something like that, general support, whether that CNF certification email. If you put something in slack, then there will be someone within the group that will notice it, it may be a couple of days, especially if it was over the weekend. So you probably get back to you that way. If you're not looking at slack a lot you may want to message someone on their response with an email. Lucy has dropped a calendar, which you know it'd be another way connect that way. But once you if you are needing some general support I guess to going the contributor calls would probably be a good one on Thursdays to get started. You need more of one on one then probably do that after you join the call we talk some and we can get that started let me share that screen again so if CNF test suite. This is Thursdays at 1415 UTC so that one's kind of an open call. And we've had folks different and doing different things including like contributing new tests, joining those calls and then sometimes messaging on slack and then rejoining the calls. And then we've set up one on one to dig through and debug something if needed but those are kind of as needed basis. Thank you. May I have another question. Yes. For companies like us we have multiple CNFs same company but multiple products because the multiple business units are these separate applications. Is it, I don't know if it's the fees associated with that it can you clarify how it works. So each each certification is covering a single product for CNF. So if there's more than one CNF than you'd want to you'll want to certify for each CNF. And that'll be the once you've gone through like there's some terms and conditions and participation form so once you get through all of that then they, the first time, any, any additional So if you said you did it for one that was ready right now, and then you had another CNF that you want to certify. At that point you're just going to take the next CNF run through the certification process and submit the results. You don't have to go through the, all the other steps. Can you talk about the fees for that, please. Yeah, so the, if you're a CNCF member then you're covered that it's a CNCF membership ties in with utilization of the CNF badge, CNF certified CNF badging and any type of logo usage with CNCF. Perfect, thank you. There's a lot of information on membership and everything else that you can read off of the main page. Thank you. Any other questions. Well the only thing that I was thinking is about the nominations. It seems like the only one who has been proposed him is Jeffrey right. So I know you want to make a reminder. Yeah, thanks. We want to get. I put my, my name up again, and Jeffrey's is there. There's been a few people that have talked with me and slack about putting their name into the list but so far I haven't seen anyone else. I think Jeffrey lost access for a, like, a month before he could finally put his in. But yeah we'd like to get someone, someone else, or multiple people of names, put it as cough candidate so go in and add your name. If you're interested in being a co-chair for the working group. Thanks everyone, because we'll see you next Monday. Thank you Taylor. You're welcome. Cheers. Everyone.