 Oh my goodness, we could very well be live. Wow, that sounds excellent. Gosh, I'm trying to think of something, but right now, all I all I can think of is hate. Well, that's just a hate problem, buddy. I'm just churning out irate takes on these movies that were forced to watch like you got to do with our wills. Yeah, true. All right, so the only thing left is to list that we're forced to watch. Definitely live. That's good. All right, are we? Because I can't see. I can't see it either. I said it's not listed yet, but we're live. All right, now it should be listed or at least in a couple of seconds from now. Oh, well, I'm listed. Bloody wonderful. Yep. Black listed. No, let's say that offensive. Fisted. Black listed. Well, how else am I going to keep track of my slaves? Should I told Jay about the blind play through one from Twitch and he thought I was joking? And I was like, no, no, no, for real. And he was like, yeah, that sounds like a meme, though. Like, were they serious? I was like, yes, they were serious. Oh, you can't you can't say blind play through because all those Twitch watchers who are blind are going to get really upset about it. Expect some angry emails. The problem is that if a blind person sends you an email, all it's going to say is Bob, you know, I'll be there. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You can touch type. So if you went blind, you could send a very good email. If I if I suppose if I went blind, I could probably do. Yeah, so this is how I would get to. Maybe someone would probably have to set it up for me. They'd have to like click on the places and say, OK, you're now typing so you can you go. You're on an email. But maybe they put in the wrong address so they play jokes on you. Like convincing deaf people that when you get an erection, it makes a sound. He goes bloop. I think they would disturb them. Well, now that we've offended those two groups. Yes, three. Well, I was going to say three disabled groups, the blind, the deaf and Zack Snyder fans. So now that we've got that out of the way, as if there was ever any hope of Zack Snyder fans having anything to do with us ever. Yeah, at least if you're blind, it may be it's possible. Jesus walks by, spits in the mud and rubs it in your eyes, you know, and you can see again. But if you're a Zack Snyder fan, you're just you're just out of luck. Like, I don't think there's any any help for you. Zack Snyder spits in the mud and rubs it in your eyes. It's. Oh, wait. But what the hell happened to you? Rags. Oh, I might I just like. Is it right? Yeah, he was stabbed. But can you teleport it to the other? We're not even in Singapore. That's the problem. Let's go to Singapore. Everybody get your travel gear. And there we go. Here we are in Singapore. The singing pole. Singing Singapore is that's I. Oh, Fiddler on the roof. That was a movie about singing poor. I just realized the the thumbnails inaccurate. It baited the idea of metal being here. Oh, no, so fucking sorry about that. You know, I'm going to change that. I can hear everybody leaving the stream. Well, yeah, that's it, really. You also don't have Theo's name in in the title. I'm going to correct all of that while we talk. And I'm going to pretend this is all the intro and that it was planned. Oh, yeah, how are you guys doing? Oh, I'm doing OK. You know what's cool? South Pole and Theo being here when they're both chat people who who ended up being dragged onto the stream in their intros. And now they're both on a travel. You guys been on an episode before? I can't remember. Look together. Yeah, I think it was the last of us two one, right? Yeah. Yeah. The covering task not 50. And that happened. You know, that was yeah, Theo one and Theo two. Well, I guess we're just we'll lose. I am the cat in the chat here for shenanigans, but I will tell them the truth, regardless. We metal very tuck it out from the streaming of the halo, I assume, from last night, and he didn't get quite the right sleep. So he can't make it. But just so happens that Theo unprovoked watched BBS yesterday. Oh, something. So he's master of it. And you said you remembered it really well. Like, you know, back to front of this point. Yeah. Yeah. I paid very close attention to it. Excellent watching. Yeah, you know, Justice League is definitely sorry. Not with Batman versus Superman is definitely not the kind of movie you fall asleep halfway through because it's so fucking boring. Funnies like I don't even I feel like I might have told you probably haven't, but you know, Smiler, one funny gag we had running with him was like whenever a new DC movie came out back in the day, I would be like, I want to see it because I want to see how the DC is doing. And he'd be like a Wonder Woman. He fell asleep before the trench part. And I was like, oh, well, then I told him about what happened in the third act. I remember laughing a lot while explaining it. Man of Steel. I don't think he got past like the first half an hour before like falling asleep and then bam of his superman. I remember it was just like 10 minutes after the jelly bean thing, the jolly rancher that he was like snoring on microphone. Oh, the jolly rancher thing happened. Yeah, like he legit has fallen asleep to most of the DC. You it's quite impressive. Does he does he fall asleep normally at your house? Does he just does he have a troubled home life? He just goes to your place to get some sleep. Only one of these is in person. The other two are on disco. Oh, oh, I just consider the DC. You boring as fuck. I don't know what to tell you the music, though. And it's a fair reaction. All right. I can totally believe all the tree says, why didn't you sleep on a farm? Good news, everybody. The BVS EFAP movies is is kicking around. It's almost ready to go. And hopefully I don't know how I'm going to make this work. But to be honest with you, continuity wise, all of you in chat, you you too early, OK, this stream is going to be best enjoyed after seeing our coverage of the EFAP movies. And I might try and release these so that that matches up like when this is on Mula, this might actually in continuity be after the release of the movies for BVS, because it'll work well, because we'll have we'll have developed our arguments by now. I'd say you mean you mean to say that we're too early, kind of like the flash was flash. Go in. You have to say Lois, Lois is the key. You were right, Superman. I'm not going to tell you what I mean by that. I'm just going to say you were right. Lois is the key. I like how it's as ominous as possible without being specific at all. Well, supposedly the setter cut's going to show Batman sending the flash back in time to do that scene. Yeah, that's going to be hilarious. It's going to be hilarious seeing that flag go to the flash. Me like, all right, here's what you have to do. You have to go back in time. And if you if you arrive too early, you have to, you know, talk in the most cryptic, vague, ominous way possible and not be specific in any way, shape or form. Batman. And you just need to tell him that what he already believes is true. He just tells the flash. He's like, right. So the problem was I accidentally killed Lois and you went nuts. So tell him. Oh, my goodness. Tell me, rather, do not protect Lois Lane at all costs because Superman's going to lose his shit if she dies. Say that, OK? And say you might have to kill him, I guess. I don't know what the plan is. Yeah, make sure you do that. Pops forward and then pops back and then says, yeah, I did it. Don't think he got it. I feel like honestly, if I was back, future Batman, and it's like, oh, he goes insane when Lois dies. It's like, hmm, maybe we should put him down. Well, actually, as I was making that joke, I was like, damn, this isn't good, actually. The the idea that if you kill Lois, he just fucking wants to kill everyone. That's ooh. It's not really bad person. Less than ideal. Not entirely out of limits, though, for what we've seen of these fucking people in this world. He must have learned some really weird morals and principles from his parents, whoever they were. I like how we have to ignore Justice League because I was about to say, like, doesn't sound like the kind of guy that would also say, I'm a big fan of justice. Every morning, a big ball of justice. I don't know. It's I think it's hilarious, and I love it. But yeah, so up to date, we have all seen up to Justice League and we've got Aquaman next, right? You know, on Monday. Yep. Meanwhile, as people might be wondering, you know what, you know, why do the EFAP movies and an EFAP podcast? Why do it on the same topic? What's the point of that? Well, this is to properly discuss and lay it out. The EFAP movies themselves, you get it. People didn't say that about TLJ. Oh, I mean, I don't think they would say it about this even. I'm sort of just trying to justify that. I decided people out there who say to rewatch about Mavis Superman in my free time. I know, crazy. And my goodness, do I have things to talk about? We're probably not going to get. I think we'll try and do this the same way we did Man of Steel, where I will bring up different things at different times. We'll try and get through lots of different things, maybe even over more than just the one EFAP. I don't even know. And then I wouldn't mind talking to you guys once again about our listings, because my God, does it fluctuate? And ones that are rising to the top feel like they shouldn't be rising to the top yet. What could you do? Wait, you know what Theo? Do you have a ranking for up to Justice League? Where you place Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman 84, Man of Steel, Man of Steel, BDS, and Justice League. And Suicide Squad. Oh, yeah, that's right too. How do you rank? Wow, spoiled for choice as to what goes in that. They're all bad. They're all really bad. I don't know that I remember any of them well enough to differentiate how bad they are, other than that maybe Justice League is in a league of its own in bad terms. I get it. It might very well be DeGreaves, though. I'm gonna slap it, Theo's just like, all right. So you think Justice League would be the worst? Well, Suicide Squad exists, so. So that's the worst? Yes. And then who's third from the bottom then? Justice League. Oh, I thought, wait, so it goes at the bottom of Suicide Squad then. Oh, right, at the bottom of Suicide Squad then Justice League probably. And then who the fuck knows, man? I don't know. I don't blame you. It's a tough one. They're all so terrible. Yeah, they're not great. They're all really bad. Yeah, I suppose this feels, this is gonna have to be myself and Southport trying to tell this story because I got, all I've got is the, when we did the Filmento video, the title had Filmento and Twin Perfect in it because the plan was to cover both of them. But then, and I know this is gonna shock you guys, it took us a long time to get through the first video. Yeah. The silence is shock right there. And so we decided we'd do a second one. And as I said at the beginning of the recording for several reasons. First and foremost, being like a timeline thing as well as a copyright thing, as well as trying to catch up and keep up just with everything else that's going on. And we're probably- But don't lie, Mahler. You also said that you didn't want to have to read out super chats at the end as well. I mean, if, well, this is the thing. I still have super chats to catch up on. But I'm also trying to- I mean, it's perfectly okay to admit it though. I'm trying to chalk away on the boys' video while also juggling the movie recordings which we have like two separate things going on for getting them done bi-weekly with timelines. And then there's obviously Batwoman. And I was like, it makes more sense if we just do one offline. I can pop it out whenever. And there's no worry about having to do a 10 or 11 hour one. Cause it's usually profitable to do just one of those per week alongside two, two hour to three hour recordings for movies and a Batwoman one. Well, and it's not like we have never done pre-recorded E-faps before. We're not breaking the mold by doing this. And I was about to say, we're probably going to do one for BVS because today this'll be a nice chunky E-fap. We might do another one of them because the next E-fap's gonna be off DCU and then it'll be back on with them. Wait, what's the, is it Suicide Squad we're on to then? No. Wait, what are we doing? Yeah, I feel like we'll need, I'll have to find like one video defending Suicide Squad because we did not think it was good. Huge shock. I'm happy to. Shocker, yeah. Stifle your collective gasping. And so that's kind of how I was planning on doing this arc. I figured that's the best way to work it. And then I discover, because I guess I was just so taken away with our coverage of Filmento that Twin Perfect was in our chat while we were covering Filmento. And he had a different idea for why we ended up recording his offline rather than reacting to it live. I don't know what else I should say rather than just passing it over at this point. So folks, you seem to know better of what happened next? Well, so I looked in Mahler's server. I think the day after the, well it was either the day of or the day after the, I guess E-fap 124 premiered. And a fellow called Verdad leaked some screenshots from the server that he is in with Twin Perfect. And so... Calling it leaked is like it's all, ooh, it's leaked, it's a secret. Fine, he posted screenshots of Twin Perfect server, Twin Perfect himself, also known as Rosseter, Rosseter, I don't know how to fuck to pronounce that. He basically was talking about it on a server. People were telling him that, hey, E-fap covered your video. They uploaded an E-fap today where they covered your video and he found out, oh, it's prerecorded. Yeah, this video was really bad. It was really bad. Yeah, it was really painful. One of the worst we've covered, I'd say. It was really funny too. Like lots of the time. It was funny in a desperate kind of way. I feel like it made for a very strong E-fap offline sort of thing and I think people enjoyed it quite a bit. Oh yeah, quite a bit. It was a blast. As a listener. And yeah, and it just sort of, I think it further cemented Man of Steel as one of the worst fucking movies in superhero as a genre. Like it, it's probably worse than like stuff like Catwoman and Daredevil from back in the day, which everyone shits on. Like I guarantee you we would find less wrong with those movies than we would with Man of Steel. Let me ask you this. Would you consider the Resident Evil movies, superhero movies? Oh. Nothing makes any sense in those movies. Well, nothing makes sense in the DCEU. Alice is my favorite superhero. True. Superhero. Well, I don't want to say that. I'm not going to say superhero because they never make anything about her being like, it's not like an identity politics thing. She's just a fucking amazing. I think it looks like some zombie movies rather than superhero movies, right? That's all right, that's all right. I don't know how I stand. I could see it either way. I don't, you know. Super zombies. I also saw someone in chat, I mentioned a while ago. Shazam was okay and the first Wonder Woman is average. So, no, no. I'm very sorry. I think the Overton window of cinematic quality is a skew. I am so sorry, guys, but Shazam is not that good and you're going to see in a few weeks, trust us. Okay. We're good. Well, the Wonder Woman is an average. It's like pretty terrible. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Wonder Woman is bad. It's pretty bad and yet it still might be the best DCEU movie. Yeah. It's demonized. Yeah, it might be another one. Oh, yeah. So, screenshot, the one, I guess, I don't know. It says very conveniently pre-recorded considering I was in that chat last week. They don't want me there. They want to make fun of me. So. I want you here, man. Come on, please. Yeah, number one. We can talk about your horseshit video live. That's fine with me. I also, I didn't know that you were in the chat. There's a lot of people in the chat. I didn't know. You're not so special that you're trying to get extra nerf actively. And besides, like, this is the thing. We have, like, things with this. When we're, like, busy watching people's videos, them coming on is never, like, a guarantee. Often, like, remember with the internet's janitor, we would just, like, come back again. And he did. Like, when we knew that was an interesting sequence of events. So, I just want to say, by the way, like, we are all really qualified to argue much hotter takes on media than Man of Steel being bad. I don't even know how. It shouldn't even be a hot tank. No, what I'm saying is, like, you guys are capable of arguing that Knives Out is bad. I'm capable of, you know, arguing Spider-Man 2 is bad. But, like, Man of Steel is going to be nothing for us. It's super easy to take down that movie. So, we wouldn't have an issue with debating him if he were to come on. Like, Twin Perfect, if you want to come on right now, come on in. Well, what was it that Twin Perfect said, that three skyscrapers that Superman was directly responsible for destroying? His defenses were hilarious. They were kind of funny. It was funny, yeah. Before I carry on with what he said here, I'm really looking forward to covering him today because I saw, we're watching part three of his defenses. We're not doing all three, so we can't do them. Because the panel here is most interested in someone trying to defend Lex Luthor's motivation. Because that's hilarious as a concept for that movie. Now, I watched the other two in prep just in case there was anything continuity-wise we're going to miss and there was some things that he said that I just want to show everyone here in a different video. It's going to be really funny. Keep that in mind. And the previous video we covered in mind when you see some of the other things he says in a minute. But, yeah. What I was going to say was that when you try and- Part shadowing. When you try and, is the word divine a motivation? Like, figure out a motivation. You could, like a divining rod. I suppose you could, but ascertain, maybe, my P.S. Yeah, yeah, there's probably better words. But when you're trying to figure out a motivation, you usually rely on just, you know, fucking past choices. Now, have we ever had a video creator on while covering a video when it comes to eFap? Has that happened just the once? Twice? Over 20 times at this point? I'm thinking it's happened before. We're pretty on board with it. And I would actually say that I am more eager to have someone come on to defend those movies than most of the things we've covered before. Yeah, because these are, this is a baffling position, kind of. Like, it's kind of, it's amazing. I feel bad for you a little bit. I need to know. Yeah, I sort of do. What else we got here? I want to know, the person who likes these movies, I want to know what movies you think are good. We have to try and establish some kind of a, like what our scale is. I do wonder if it is like hardcore copium because like the MCU for all of its flaws is still on average a lot more like reliable than the DCEU. So if you like these DC characters a lot and this is like the quality, the caliber of the films, you know, it's not. They're not pretty good defense though, Frank, you didn't understand it. I do like that we've now, we're in a world now where these movies are really smart, despite being so edgy. Like the idea of this, this kid submits his scraggly scrapbook with this edgy story about Batman shooting people through the face and going like, me, do you bleed? He's like, this is also Red Plato's Republic. So, that's what smart kids do, right? They read, symbolism as well. Like, hey, look, Jesus, isn't that clever? It's like, nah, it's really handsome. Everybody does that. So yeah, he said, I'm not going to respond. My policies, I talk about things I like and other people can talk about me. It's like, okay. He said, and hearing their level of discourse, their talk isn't worth much anyway. All right. I thought you said that we don't want you to come. Which is? They said, yeah, already bored. Just can't bring the bands. E-Fab can bring the bands, man. Let's spot E-Fab's half about, right? Is banter and then film racism, okay? 2K losers, that's you, chat. How do you feel? Let's just play more than $2,000. He just called out chat. We have way more losers than that. Why, have you ever noticed that there's a weird attitude with some people where they're like, lol, easy content, yuck, yuck, look at me, how smart I am. Yeah, I hope you dislike it. That just means they get more algorithm and engagement. I get more money and more ad clicks. It's like, I'll get four extra cents if everyone in the universe hates my video. Yeah, just for the real winner. Why, why, why losers? Like, what, because we were spotted in a video? All right, we'll be okay. I mean, we lost valuable time in our lives. Yeah, well, you know what? I think it was fun as hell that he made the video. So like, I'm cool with it. I think it was funny. Yeah, I've managed to make sure chat haven't missed the point here. Losers, that's you. The arrows could be chunkier on LightShot, but I do what I can with the tools I am provided. This is where it's not ours. Drill like a bunch of really crazy looking arrows. Yeah, I'm giving it a listen now. The rebuffs haven't been very good so far. Imagine. Imagine thinking. So the rebuffs to, I mean, super bad when it blew up a couple of buildings. Why? It was an incident of damage. It was, it was an incident of damage. I didn't quite appreciate this comment. 2K losers can enjoy them dumping on someone they don't know who was willing to chat with them last week's stream. I'll be over here enjoying my time. You, man, what is it with people? I don't want to actually. What is it with people being so obsessed with views? Look at my views over here with my views. What's, what, like, this is not a reliable way of just being happy in life. Like, I gotta tell you, it's really. Yeah, it gives me clout with which I can try and flex on people. It looks kind of impotent and, you know. But I don't even understand like this line of criticism. The whole, like, enjoy them dumping on someone they don't know who was willing to chat with them. Like, why would that play into it at all? We didn't know. Yeah. It's like, once again, he's talking about something he doesn't know anything about. And two comments ago, he said that my policy is that I talk about things I like and other people can talk about me. That's a weird poll. And also I'm willing to talk to them. But they're also losers. It's not a policy. But they're also losers. I like the idea that he has a policy book and it's just one page and it's that. It's a whole book with like a hundred pages, but only the first one has anything. Yeah, the rest is blank. I also don't. Just that sentence. It's not lost. Somebody said open invite for them to come and have a real discussion if they're feeling uncowardly. All right, calm down, buddy. I mean, here we are. Yeah, I don't think we have. We don't have much to prove and we're not so insecure that we feel they need to prove it to some Randy on YouTube who makes shitty superhero movies. And yeah, we're really, we're really not bothered. Just we are. We're we're really all right, go ahead. Well, I was just going to say, talk about like really bad faith assumptions of our motives for uploading it like pre-recorded. I just would have thought by now we would have had enough of a reputation to not certainly not be the ones to consider like, oh, if I'm always backing down from a discussion, like, yeah, that they never talk to people. Like with the I remember when we were covering the janitor on EFAP 100, he wanted to come on at like that day, but we just couldn't make time for him. So we made time for him for a later EFAP. Yeah, that's like the only allegedly and that only happened because it was it was like the fucking episode 100. And Wolf was like, yeah, this is just bad timing. I'm sorry. Look, guys, he would have been perfectly happy to talk to us, except that his policy is that he doesn't respond to criticisms, but also your criticisms were bad. And also, you know, if you actually want to talk and be uncarodely, I'm willing to talk, but I don't really talk to people, but I'm willing to talk if you want to talk. That's like the logic of a Zack Snyder movie. Let's throw out, you know, an answer from every possible angle. Then, you know, he said it all of it, yeah. Yeah, he's throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. So then this last one, hey, more is all right. I'm sure the followers are reasonable as wet. And then it shows Mac from chat. I hope you're not here right now, because I don't think you can handle this public shaming. I don't know if Mac could deal with this. He's not here. He's not here. Mac, look away. There are people who are ironically think better steals better than Civil War. So that is hilarious as a statement, but they consider this embarrassing to say. That is pretty funny. Which is funny to me. That's amazing. Could you imagine watching like Superman float out of the ship with his arms out like Jesus and then watching what happens in the room like Civil War where characters are informed and they have a history and the world is starting to change based on their actions and it's all ramping up to a big climax between two really good friends who are, you know, their friendship is forever damaged, or at least it would have been if Endgame was good. But then you watch that and you're like, oh, well, I mean, it's obvious, right? Man of steel, Jesus. Obviously it was Man of Steel. Did you not see space Jesus? Did you not see it? He was right there. He took a little screen. I like the idea that you want embarrassing imagery. Yeah, I know, of course. No, this is a movie for adults. That's why it's so subtle. And yeah, I guess this kind of comparison like Man of Steel is a war. Like for me, I'm just like, oh, it's like you're telling me the spoon is better for chopping down trees than the axe. And I'm just like, yeah, I got, I can't even see even vaguely how they come close. I just, I don't get it. And that's how it smacked in the spoon against the tree. It'll work. Shut up, it's smart. I like it, yeah. Yeah, I like how it's difficult. It was meant to be that way. Yeah, that's the stylistic choice. You just don't understand, yes. Yeah. I'm making a crucifix with it, because Jesus. Guys, please talk about Jared Leto, Jesus, please. What is there to say? What? What is Jared Leto joke of Jesus, guys? Look, Jared Leto joke of Jesus, what would Joker do? You guys are gonna get a fucking five hour long E-Fat movies when that's gonna be a really long recording session for Snyder Cut. Only five hours? And could you imagine? There's gonna be a discussion afterwards too. Can you imagine if it's worse? Can you imagine? It might be. I don't think it will be, but it might be. I think the big thing that we've taken away from this DCEU arc is that there are no foregone conclusions because I think we all came into it, thinking Man of Steel would probably be the best one. And the Justice League would be the worst. Yeah, and the Justice League would be the worst, but is it? Is Justice League the worst? Is it? I am banking on the Snyder Cut being worse. Leto, Jesus. Oh, I meant broadly though, do we wanna have that conversation? Well, bring it up. Well, we could guess. Once we talked a bit about BVS, because BVS is our current number one, right? Sure. Yes. It is. It's either that or Wonder Woman One for me. They float around the same area. So, we should stream for two hours about that comment. Civil was fucking great. Go ahead, do your own hate stream. You just added 1.5 hours, man. Content is easy. I love when people say that. Well, I can believe that he thinks content is easy. Well, I can believe that. We're gonna get an example today of what he considers to be, you know, dare I say good content. Easy content. Yeah. Oh, yeah, boy. It seems that he's taken the position of becoming like the defender of Snyder's movies, because he's got several movies to get referenced when it's like, oh, you gotta see these videos. It feels good to be back in like, this feels like such a comfy space for EFAP where it's like, we've gotta take, someone else has got a popular take that's apparently pretty good. It's completely opposite to ours. Let's check out the references versus ours and let's see how it ends up going. Now, again, like I said, I watched BVS ahead of time because on top of the times we've seen it, just to get everything right and there's way more that's wrong with this film, but we'll see if it comes up as he talks about, you know, whatever he's gonna talk about. You guys have got the link. Is everybody in? Yeah, let me use the loop really quick and I'll be right back. No problem. We'll dive into this amazing adventure. Yeah, what we'll do is, we'll get that portion ready for you guys first that we're gonna have him talk about and then we'll jump to his. I'm doing that meant for something, like the demons come from the sky thing. It's like, I guess, angels come from like the bottom of the earth. That's why I said that. I say that in the movie's coverage. I'm like, if you want to be, we went over this. It only works in the specific example, but even then it's confusing. And also, is there any reason why Lex Luthor even knows what Parademons are? Not at that point, cause he couldn't even have gotten it from the stupid Krypton computer. Well, the problem is the world building in the DCEU is pretty bad. So like for some reason, there was a massive battle with all of like the human tribes that just nobody has ever heard of. Nobody wrote it down. That's bigger than the battle of Hastings and like nobody, they were fucking flying Green Lantern people and nobody wrote it down. Like really, not one person. So there was a flying Green Lantern person, not people. It was a singular Green Lantern. Greg, someone suggested you get a piss jug, by the way. A piss jug? I have one, it's a toilet. I guess they mean a piss jar. It's just over there. It's over there. So I drink a lot of water and a lot of tea, which is basically water. No, no, no, no, no. So I have, what? They're referencing something. What? What do you think they're referencing? They should have said piss jar, not piss jug. Bring it. I thought he was talking about Superman. A piss jar? Demons. Oh, he was, but at the end of the film, he whips the painting upside down, which is paradigm and I mean, like, yeah. Fringy, we're trying to talk about piss jars. Fringy, it's not. I'm sorry. Just hearing this call, you fuck. I reference to. A reference to piss jars. I'm desperate for you. Nobody help him, okay? Piss jars. You will walk without me. Piss jars, because this video is a jar of piss. No, it is specific to the DCU, though. Think, piss jars. A jar of piss. Hold up, hold up. Oh, yes, yes. I remember granny's peach thing. Yeah. Yeah. A jar of piss. You need one of them. So you can survive the stream. I see. You need one of those so that you can give it to a U.S. senator and then blow them up. Straight right up towards the actor. There's something that, there's more to talk about that in terms of, I think I've discovered what the movie wants to be, the motivation of him blowing her up, by the way. But again, we'll talk about these things. Again, this is to take place after our Man of Steel. No, sorry, BVS, EFAP movie, technically. So we'll try and only add to that rather than repeat it. But, you know, we'll do what we can, everybody. Yeah, so this video is number two, and it's called The Martha Controversy, and it's about Batman's motivation. Majority of the video is talking about how it's okay that Batman's killing people and that this vision is okay because of any references to the comics as well. He's like, this vision's in the comics, the do blah, blah, blah. So you guys should chill out. A lot of the arguments are simply, I don't like Batman being like this. Which is just not really what I'm interested in. That'll be a surprise for Twin Perfect. He probably thinks that we're gonna roll out comic arguments. But we won't. I've never, I don't even know what comic are. And so, I was listening to it. I was doing some getting some things ready. And then I heard some arguments, and I was like, you know what? You guys are gonna hear these two. So like I said, this is him going through different arguments. He's about to present one and then counter it, and we'll play this for a little bit. And then we're gonna jump to the main video we're covering today. This is just a pre-amplification. So maybe this isn't actually Doomsday, but so. Oh yeah, he just says that people shouldn't be annoyed that this is Doomsday because there could be multiple Doomsdays. What? Oh, well that's an interesting baseless conjecture piece. Great work, I can do that too. Because Zack Snyder in some kind of interview said that there could be more things to be afraid of in this world. There's a lot of things in interviews. I don't think that's... So is George Lucas, I don't care. Yeah, I don't think we're ever gonna see something like that pan out, especially because it's like the MCU. It's like Kevin Feige going, don't be mad about the Mandarin in Iron Man 3 because there could be multiple mandarins. Isn't that actually happening now that they're having the proper Mandarin? Oh, are they? Yeah, I think so, yeah, because yeah. Well, anyway. I mean, I would still say you can't really use that as a defense for your shitty version of the Mandarin from Iron Man 3 without actually promising that there is going to be another Mandarin. Just going, oh, well, there could be multiple mandarins or there could be multiple Doomsdays. That's silly. That's a really shitty defense. It's really weak in lame, so. Some new human Kryptonian hybrid Doomsday. And this is why he looks so different. Mostly here to ignore this is the next dogman's worst dogman. By the way, this is a great time to point out that during the Doomsday battle, the very first thing Superman does is to punch him into space. Hi, I thought you said that. Also, you know what? I'm already worried. He's just going to come back down again. Yeah, I'm so sorry about that. I'm sorry about this, but he's already played enough of the movie that I'm worried about getting fucking shot down like we were with the other ones. So I'm going to put up the copyright shield. But while you've got the copyright shield, I mean, this only brings up the issue of when he takes Doomsday into space, why doesn't he just push it? Just do nothing and just let Doomsday float away? I didn't mean copyright shield as in I'm pausing it, copyright shield is on screen now. You're going to see a 50% opacity EFAP symbol. Well, you guys won't, but Chad will. And trust me, Chad, it's for the sake of you guys, okay? The worst thing we could have is, yeah, you know. So if ever there's a confusion. It's for the greater good. Yeah, trust us. You need it to happen. Well, great, talk on. But we could do it earlier, so do not panic. Copyright shield activate. Anyway, yeah, so he's pointing out that, hey, isn't it good that Superman actually punches Doomsday, like one of the first sort of things he tries in the fight is this, which, yeah, you know what, clap. But that is good. Good job, good job. But unfortunately, this is what he says next. This is a great time to point out that during the Doomsday battle, the very first thing Superman does is to punch him into space, showing that he did indeed learn a few lessons from the end of the first movie. Doesn't really work, which proves my man of steel video, right? No, no, no. No, so the reason that you are vindicated, oh my God, you're dumb. So the issue that we have with Batman versus Superman where he's fighting Doomsday is that he takes Doomsday into space and he could have just pushed it. Doomsday cannot fly, right? Yeah, that's correct. So if you just push him into space, he's gone forever. He's, there's nothing that he can do. We don't even know that he can survive in space, just in general, but he certainly can't escape space or get back to Earth, so he's fucked, yeah. That's the interesting thing is this version of Superman, if he gets his powers from Earth's atmosphere rather than the sun, then that technically means that he couldn't go too far out into space, right? That's the theory. It gets a bit weird though, because when he's on Zod's ship, it's like, ah, you have no access to Earth's atmospherics, not the sun itself, just it's atmospherics. I thought it was a yellow sun. Which means Superman doesn't have access to Earth's atmospherics in space, because it's space. But he heals in space, so clearly it doesn't matter. But is he within, yeah, that's, is he still within Earth's atmosphere, though? No, I'm not accepting that, he's in space. Yeah, I mean, I agree that he's in space, it's just, I'm trying to get that possible defense covered. I don't accept that, personally. The whole reason being, and Zod didn't even learn how to fly until like later in the fight. Yeah, so you could have flown him in space, not would have been at it. Yeah, but he doesn't do it there. They miraculously happened to hit a satellite, a miraculous coincidence that they just happened to hit a satellite. And it crashes down to the kills even more people. That's just how it is. It's crazy, like he could easily send Doomsday out and Doomsday would never be an issue for Earth again. And the government decides to send Nuke Superman while he's carrying Doomsday away. Like, is that really a rational decision to make? Where hey, Superman is carrying the giant monster out into space. And we can assume that the monster isn't gonna fly back because we haven't seen the monster fly at all, it just jumps around. So let's just let Superman do his thing and punch him into space and not interfere. And what do they do? They interfere, and that causes the whole thing to fail. But even then- It is Superman's fault that this doesn't work. There's no one else to blame except for Superman for not just pushing Doomsday into space. I agree with you, it's mainly his fault, but my God, what the fuck, government? What are you doing? I think Meme Repository hasn't had it for this, but blowing up a Nuke that close to Earth, it'll wipe us out, or at least a severe portion of us. Fucking insane move. Secondly, the fact that they suggest and successfully launch the Nuke in about 20 seconds from the moment Superman starts taking him up, that's just not a thing. It would never be that quick. And there's no deliberation about the idea that Superman can knock him into space, which is a clear win, but activated- Yeah. Nuke above Metropolis is probably not a good idea. Yeah, if you're watching that, if you're watching Doomsday being carried into space by Superman, you're thinking, oh, it's done, it's over. It's finished, there's nothing Doomsday can do once he's in space. It seems to blend from last time. He's gone. So we're getting a shitload of people in chat saying, well, to be fair, it's the government and the government is incompetent in real life. So of course not. Not that level of incompetence. They don't want to blow up their own fucking city. So just because someone- We're not the Avengers moller. Well, no, no, what I'm suggesting is blow up their own city for no reason, like no reason at all. Like it's fucking crazy as they would try this. Yeah, I mean, just because they government has done things that are not intelligent in the past doesn't say it's totally justifiable for them to do any stupid thing in the future. I would argue the Avengers are most reasonable to a degree. I agree. No, I was literally just saying that because I know that someone's going to say it. Why don't you guys say that it's stupid that the government sends a nuke to destroy a city in Man of Steel, but it's not stupid in the Avengers because you know that we're going to get that bullshit. Yeah, and I'm pretty sure it takes a lot longer. You got Superman is fighting him. And he delays them, fury does, I'm pretty sure. Like quite significantly, Martian Manhuntz I couldn't do fuck all. He was like bull, I don't know. I'm calling him that because I'm assuming he will turn out to be that 100%, I don't know. I just want to add that even if we blame the fact that it didn't work, that Superman wasn't able to send Doomsday into space entirely on the government, that doesn't excuse that he didn't do this with Zod in the first movie. It doesn't vindicate you for saying he shouldn't have tried it. No, it doesn't vindicate at all. Yeah, it's bizarre. I don't know, I guess I got a scatter shot to fire rags, I don't know why I'm doing this, but I do, and all of that misses by luck, it just happens to miss him. And he's like, see, there was no point in firing the gun, it was just gonna miss anyway. Like that's an interesting conclusion you've drawn there. Because of course, yes, by the way, the speed in which they fucking fire that nuke, it still doesn't mean that it would have caught up to Superman, I don't believe for a second that it could have before he gets Doomsday out of the atmosphere. Superman can travel like the speed of sound. Oh wait, sorry, he can travel faster than the flash. Yes, he can travel faster than the flash, everybody. He's gonna boom into Doomsday, and Doomsday's just gonna go, whoa, into the sun, probably, he's just gonna go, oh god. Yeah, none of it makes sense. And somehow in this scene, they are both, it looks to be that Superman grabs him by the head and then his head, it takes the nuke hit, Superman flings into space, and Doomsday just rockets down to Earth. It's like how? The physics of that are nonsense. Yeah, Doomsday rockets down to Earth. Superman floats around up there, I guess. It's like, imagine if Superman had crashed down and Doomsday had floated away. Imagine they both floated away. Why the hell did we get the worst case scenario for both? What's that about? And why would that even have happened? Why wouldn't they just blast away from the nuke? The whole scene is really stupid. And I just like that he's like, see the writers accounted for it. No, they didn't. They didn't at all. I say that take up into this guy isn't the end-all solution people seem to think it is. But it is. But it is. That's the thing, it is. It is. And if you argue against that, it just shows that you're an idiot. Also, why doesn't he do it again? The first time there was an idiot. Exactly. It's so funny. Yeah, so like when you have a, when you introduce a character into a world who can do things that Superman can do, you have to account for a lot of shit. Superman can exist in space. He can breathe up there. He could fly around. He is super strength. He has laser vision. When you give him all of these attributes, a lot of potential opportunities are opened up and you have to account for those. I really just hate the defense that, oh, why didn't this character do this thing that would be a totally common sense move to do if they had their attributes and powers and everything. And the defense is, well, because it might not work. Like, okay, try it anyways. It could work. To the people who are still saying the government would absolutely do it, whether or not they would fire the nuke is not something I necessarily have the issue with. It's just the speed in which they decide it. Superman is starting to take him up and they go fire the nuke quick. Like, whoa. Whoa, calm down. He's going into space, it's over. Nukes are fucking insane. Like no intelligent person would look at that. Huh? It's crazy that they would fire it just above Metropolis. It's fucking insane. Yeah, for maximum damage to the city? It's fine, they've recovered since last time. It's about time. Fucking up again. It's empty. All right, Metropolis. Someone said, I guess Rags is big brain compared to mid-level, yeah? Compared to who? Compared to mid-level YouTubers. I was like, well, yeah, we all are. Yeah, we're high-level YouTubers. I agree. We are smarter than the mid-level YouTubers we clearly cover on this show all the time. I mean, they say some weird things. That's how you derive an intelligent scale. Have you been watching this video with us? A lot of people say really dumb shit. I'd also like to point out that he phrases it like, oh, see Superman clearly, he's learning, but also he shouldn't have done it in the beginning, anyway, because it wouldn't have worked. So is it a lesson he needed to learn about good strategy or was it pointless that he shouldn't have done it at all, because it didn't work? So I was like considering he just came from space. Like, he was just up there and he flies down. I feel like the whole scattershot thing is a pretty good way of summarizing his defenses of these movies. He just throws it like, with attacking you guys for doing it offline, it's the same sort of thing. He's just like, oh, what about this and also this? Who cares if they contradict? So I just wrote out like the government would have planned to use it against a Superman level threat they had. One, this is all laid in place. They just needed the okay. That's my issue. They wouldn't have gotten the okay. They wouldn't have gotten it. Yeah, there's no way they would have committed to a nuclear bomb over a very, very highly populated city like Metropolis when that quickly, when Superman was there, Superman killed the last threat of this level. And now that Superman's back and is fighting this threat, they should go, oh, Superman is currently currently in the middle of bringing him into space, which is an intelligent and very simple way of dealing with the threat. I just want to clarify that. I just want to let him do his thing for a few minutes and see what happens. The idea is like, but the government would try and use a nuke on a horrible doomsday monster. It's like, that's really not the question at hand whether or not they would nuke that thing. That's not what we're asking. Yeah, because Superman exists in this universe and everyone knows about him and they're watching him do things and fighting this creature and he killed the last threat of this level to the world. Yeah, they should be just watching Superman and seeing how things play out. Well, anyway. Doomsday comes right back down to Earth where the only thing they can kill him with is that, why is that a person? Why is it that doomsday comes back? How could this have possibly occurred? I guess you didn't, you weren't paying attention. There was a big roof on Earth when you get high enough and you bounce right back down. Oh, that's the firmament. So yeah, you can't really boot anybody into space and that kind of answers that in Man of Steel. You see Superman knew that. He forgot it in this movie, though. Does that mean that the moon landing was faked in this universe? Well, yes. No, the moon landing was real. It's just that the moon is very low and it goes in a circle around the flat Earth. Oh my goodness. Yeah, that's how it works, I guess. Crazy. There you go. Batman's Kryptonites. Oh well, whoops, I guess we miscounted that one. Oh wait, sorry, let me roll him back a little bit. Yeah, go back, I don't get it. Turns out doomsday comes right back down to Earth where the only thing that can kill him is Batman's Kryptonite spear. Oh well, oh well, whoops, I guess we miscounted that one. So he's calculated what one? If you didn't get the impression he was smugged from those screenshots, that'll probably do it. He thinks he's so right, he's making fun of the people for suggesting putting doomsday into space all of Zod. You don't have to kill him. No, this guy's an idiot. So you don't have to take, doomsday doesn't have to die in space, he can just keep floating into the vacuum of the dark abyss forever. In fact, like that's fine. It's probably gonna be really easy for Superman to actually boop him into the sun because he can't do anything about it really. Yeah, he could have just taken him to the sun and pushed him towards the sun and he grabbed him and sucked him in. Slowly floats towards the sun, like no. There's nothing he can do. Yeah, absolutely, for years and years and years he just floats towards the sun. Just getting hotter and hotter. Slowly, yeah, he's like, oh, sweating. Maybe he can fly in space by firing his laser and he just goes the opposite direction wherever he looks. Like a fire extinguisher or some shit. When they grab him in cartoons, they just go, wee. This guy hasn't thought this out at all. Nope. Is there any reason why Superman didn't try and get him back up into space again? Nope. No, he just doesn't. This guy actually. Because we already did that for the movie. Like, so Zack Snyder took a shit and this guy just took his knife and fork to it and just swallowed it right down. Like, yep, nope, there's no way that would work. It's like, you. Mike. My interpretation is that's because Superman got nuked the first time he was like, dad, I'm just gonna send another nuke at me if I do that again. He's just nuking me. There's just you. Well, so that's another problem. Superman doesn't account for the nuke really at all. Like all of his options, he could have gotten out of the way of the nuke for one that could have been a move. He could have like made sure the doomsday is in its way, but then left him like his doomsday can't move while in the air, if you know what I mean. So once he's lined up and of course, Superman can fly out of the blast zone of a nuke before it would catch him, probably again, speed of the flash is fucking. No, he insists on staying in the blast zone of the nuke. And then of course that it caught up to him at all. And the fact that he could have gone like punched doomsday up, gone to the nuke and fucking like tossed it some other direction or dodged it. You know, there's so many things, man. It's so annoying. Superman is just such a fucking idiot. I like that our bar is so low that he decides to try and use space as a weapon to his benefit. And now we're like, yes. He is now intelligent again. It's like, oh, just that. And doing it once as well. If it doesn't work, that's how it goes. What are you saying, Calvin? I'm saying it's unkillable. How have you determined this? He thinks that that's supporting the whole kryptonite spear thing. Wonder Woman's sword can cut off his limbs. Yeah, yeah. She cuts his arm off with the swing of the sword. If he, if she stabbed him with that sword, I assume it would kill him. And it ain't a fucking kryptonite sword. It's just a normally, we didn't even know what sword it is, but the point is obviously- It's just her sword. I think it's safe to assume it's a special sword, but like we don't know it's real full properties, but I mean, there it is. Could actually be possible to- Could actually be possible to choke it to death with the lasso of truth. Because the lasso of truth like, kind of wraps around them and like weakens them. And one of Superman's canonical weaknesses, at least in the comics, is magic, which I believe would include the lasso of truth. So if that's the case, then wouldn't other Kryptonian beings like Doomsday be weak to magic? Possibly, but we haven't, we haven't really gone your answers for that in the movie. I don't even know that they've done the whole well he's weak to magic thing yet. Like, in any way. But yeah, I just find it interesting that it's like he's unkillable because we tried to nuke him and it didn't kill him, but it also didn't kill Superman. And like, it's just weird. And he's like, this supports the evidence that he should only be trying to use kryptonite rather than space. It's like, no, it actually doesn't. Throw him into space and then stab him with a spear. Well just throw him into space. Throw him into space and just do nothing. Yeah, in a way it's like, fuck you Doomsday, you can enjoy life just floating away. And if ever you come back to doing this again, he's like, okay. Yeah, but in space, he can't defend himself from being sad with kryptonite if you really want to make sure he's dead. Oh yeah. Space is a good place to do that. You sort of get closer and closer and he's like, no, stop. No, you're gonna, no, don't do it. You're like, sorry dude, but like, I don't know. We can't let you flow around. What if you land on a planet one day and fuck everyone up on it? Okay, can't tell you. Why does Batman lead Doomsday back to the city? What's this voice? I don't know, but so this is a very valid criticism. And before he lines up his defense of it, you picture, do you remember when it crashed lands and they have that really awkward line where they go, he's on like Riker Island or something and he goes, it's uninhabited. Yeah. Oh yeah, the quick little like, oh, it's okay guys. Maybe if I can find the visual because basically like Riker Island is quite, it seems that Snyder was very aware of everybody shitting on him for the previous movie. And so it's like, it's a relatively big island, at least comparative to Doomsday and there's lots of water surrounding it. And then there's, I guess, Metropolis and Gotham on either side. And so it's like really good. Thus, if you could get here, Doomsday into any position, that's probably the most ideal in the situation. Like for miles and miles and miles, that's probably the best place for him to be. And Batman, as I think we say when we're watching the infant movies, we're like, why the fuck did he lead Doomsday to the spear rather than just getting the spear and coming back? Like, not only for the fact that he's gonna drag Doomsday across all of the places from A to B, but also because that risks you and you're the one that needs to kill it. So it's a really bizarre choice. Yeah, had Wonder Woman not showed up or she just didn't exist. That's game over for him and the world. Yeah, that's actually something that, with mentioning, he was incredibly lucky that Wonder Woman decided to fight and she showed up at that moment. If she was even a minute later, he'd be dead. Such a shame. She was still in DC saving pedestrians and antique stores, they fucked. My interpretation is that she was just watching on a nearby statue that she was posing on and once Batman crashed in his bat wing, she figured, ah, this is my cue. Time to do the big damn heroes moment. She's very, she fights very differently in BBS than her movies as well. She's very like, she comes across as she enjoys fighting but not in her movies. Right, here we go. Let me take that off for a second. The copyright cover so you guys can see it. Should be okay. Yeah, I mean, it's just slightly cleaner. So that's the island that Doomsday is on and of course that's Gotham and Metropolis as is laid out. Why would you want to move him away from there? That's perfect. Yeah. It's fucking perfect. It seems pretty, pretty amazing. Extremely convenient that that's where he lands. Like, wow. Yeah, it's uninhabited. Wow. Everyone, it's uninhabited. An uninhabited piece of land. Is it inhabitable? I don't know. It's not habitable if Doomsday's on it. So to clarify, the primary arguments are one, he's in the safest place to possibly be as a big destructive asshole. Two, Batman shouldn't be risking his own life because he's the one that's just figured out the best way to probably kill it. And three, by taking him to the spear, he's very likely gonna drag it through other places that very likely will be inhabited. Everyone follow that? Yeah, those three arguments are pretty solid, I think. Let's see how he does. Boy. That's so stupid. You know, Wonder Woman asks him the same question and he answers in English with his words and his... Oh, you are, you. No, he's awfully smug for someone who's defending one of the shittiest movies that have probably ever been made. He thinks he's so right when... Did he watch the movie? It's almost like we haven't even... So like, you know the set information we all have before either of us, we either defend or attack the movie is Batman wants to get the spear. That's the baseline information. We all understand that and then we make the arguments on top of it. And he's gonna be like, that's what Batman says. He's like, I'm trying to get the spear. That's what he says to Wonder Woman because she's like, what the fuck you do with Batman? Brigadier did the Gotham, he's like, oh, the spear. That's not an answer. Yeah, he strips that answer. What we're trying to say is, no, but he's wrong. He should have just gotten the spear and then gone back. I don't care what his answer is because it was a bad story. No, Leo was right to slap Poe because the movie says so. It's in the movie, guys. Were you paying attention? Yeah, didn't you watch the movie? Yeah, why did you lure the big monster to the inhabited area rather than just go to the inhabited area by yourself without luring the monster over here? Well, I think there's a wine in the movie that free gives a reason. But like, his logic will be, oh, but it's abandoned. It's like, yeah, but the rest of the city isn't, which he's very close to and can just walk around it. It's not like there was a straight line and then even if he gets to the spear, you're taking him closer to populated areas where he was in a safe zone. You idiot. Also, it's like someone swallowing bull bearings and you're like, why are you swallowing bull bearings? You're like, I'm hungry. See, there's the reason. It's like, so that doesn't. Yeah, did you not listen to him? He said he was hungry. And his mouth coming out of his mouth. He said it in English. It was in the movie. With the answer. What did you bring him back to the city? The port is abandoned. There's a weapon here that can kill it. The port is abandoned. Why would you leave him to the port? That's the third line of the movie. First off, how do you know the port is abandoned? Two, why would you, the port is in Metropolis. No, it's in Gotham. It's in Gotham. Oh, Gotham, inhabited city. Well, yeah, of course. Take your pick of which one. This is where it's getting a little bit weird because it's like, why would the area of the port and the surrounding area all be safe to just crash doomsday around on? Like, why would you even want to risk it? Yeah, what if it wasn't abandoned? Gotham port had its chance. I just don't know where in any major city is it completely abandoned at any point in time. He's bringing him closer to Gotham. Why would you do that? You're Batman. Like, this is just like a cataclysm of an entirely dumb ass decision from like an intelligence point of view and an out of character decision. If anything, he would drag him toward Metropolis. Total catastrophe. It makes no sense whatsoever, no matter how you slice it. Yeah, what you actually have him do is fly over to where the spear was, grab it, get back in his thing and fly back. And then when someone goes, Batman, you fool. He's been attacking the abandoned island while you've been gone. He's like, oh no. Think of the wildlife. Think of the bacteria. Think of the real estate value. The dirt is churned and burned. And his mouth coming out of his mouth with the answer. What did you bring him back to the city? The port is abandoned. There's a weapon here that can kill it. And what exactly is your alternative? What? And also, like, this assumes that Doomsday will be doing the things that you want him to do. Yeah. Like, what if Doomsday just doesn't? What if he fucks off somewhere else? This was, I think- What if he's concerned about Superman and so he leaves or goes another place? I think this came up in the E5 movies where it's like, imagine he didn't attack Doomsday to make him follow him. And Doomsday, like, after the crater gets up and he's just like, what is happening? He just looks around at his little island like, what a weird life I have. What a life I have. I am like seven minutes old. I am so confused. I'm very angry. I have spikes now. I don't know. I don't know my shapes or my colors. I don't know the alphabet. I am just a mess. And whatever argument you want to make, the damage you'll do to Rikers Island, it's like, it'll do it to Gotham. So why would you even want to go anywhere near this argument? There's a weapon here that can kill it. And what exactly is your alternative at the moment? For Batman to go and get the spear and bring it back to where Doomsday is? Yes. Yes, exactly that. That's the one. Yeah, resounding yes. That is a yes. How about Batman uses his bat duct tape. He duct tapes the spear to a rocket and then he fires the rocket at Doomsday. How about that? That's the bat wing. The Wonder Woman could go get it. Yeah, you could do that too. Batman could go have one of Alfred's robots go do it. He could have the police do it. He could have, he could call someone. He was like, hey, at this location, there's a spear. We need it to get to Rikers Island. I like as well. Also, bringing up the risk of we need Batman to live, he fucking nearly dies because of this plan. Like, it was a fair argument to make. He does, yeah. And it's a risk that he takes and it's really dumb because he nearly dies. It's Wonder Woman that saves him. Have any of us also mentioned the fact that Lois Lane threw the spear in a place that Batman didn't see? So even if he got back to where he had left the spear with Doomsday right on his tail, that he wouldn't have been able to find the spear in time because Lois Lane threw it in a puddle. He didn't know of. And the film did. No fucking clue why Lois did that. Yeah, well, it's a mystery. Lois is running around and she spots the fight happening and she goes, ah, the spear. It's like, what, what? What? It's such a bizarre moment, but it's like, shut up. It's gotta happen. Otherwise the film won't end. And you're like, okay, that's fair. And Doomsday's just waiting for him to get back. It's much smarter for Batman to lead. Okay, this is so fucking dumb. So if he doesn't move, or if it's like saying, well, maybe he would have done the thing that we would have had him do in our terrible plan. Also, he's literally standing here right now on the images that you're showing on screen. Yeah, Batman baits his weaponry and then he pulls him into Gotham. How is that better than leaving him to maybe use his weaponry on an abandoned island? Worst case scenario, nothing would have changed. Best case scenario, he's still on the island. This reminds me of the defenses from the Hux thing in TLJ where they're like, what if he destroyed the ship and then the base, what if the whole planet disappeared? What if the base ran away? You gotta make sure you destroy the base. What if, even if the rat escapes, they can catch the rat. It's like, why are you doing this? You're bedded over backwards to defend a really stupid decision. This is nuts. It's like you're camping in the woods and you come across this rabid grizzly bear on like crystal meth or something. And you've got a rifle that's perfectly capable of taking it out in your tent where the rest of your family is. So rather than just quietly going to your tent to retrieve your rifle, if I could kill this grizzly bear on meth, you decided to piss off the grizzly bear and have it follow you straight to your campsite where your family is. There's a weapon there that can kill it. That's how retarded this is, guys. That's like the simplest way. It's a pretty acting out of the chief. It's just simplifying it to like something that could happen in the real world. I mean, I agree. Doomsday is like a grizzly bear on meth, I would say. That's about right. And if you leave a grizzly bear alone on an island who's had meth, you might not do anything. He might just sit there. You might? Yeah. I wanna see that movie where they all leave him alone. Doomsday's just like, he starts to tear it up. He's like, I don't like this. I don't like being alone. I don't, like, oh man. And around waiting for him to get back, it's much smarter for Batman to leave Doomsday to an area he knows is abandoned rather than leave him to run off some work. He doesn't know that though. He says it, but he doesn't know that. Also, it's right next to the city that isn't abandoned. Yeah, sorry, the island is abandoned. You can keep, if Doomsday sees Batman flies away to get the spear and then he's like, you know what, I'm hungry for human flash and jumps all the way over to Metropolis to stop burning everything. And it's like, damn, if only I'd made him follow me, this wouldn't have happened. Like, well, yeah, he could do that anyway. Yeah. You can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants to. Like, I gotta be honest with Batman here, it's like, we need you alive. You understand? You need to be alive. Like, I feel like it trumps everything. It's got a laser that can vaporize your ship as long as he looks at you. Like, just please, you need to be alive. It's miraculous that he didn't shoot Batman out of the sky. Well, he did. He does that, like, on the screen. He does that thing where he just, like, looks right behind the ship perpetually instead of just looking at it. Oh, well, yeah, he keeps missing until he, like, clips a wing and then he crashes and it's like, right, even though... It's one of those point-and-click things where you can't fuck it up. Yeah. Really unsupervised. It's moving. Okay. It was stupid of Lois Lane to dump the kryptonite spear into the pool of water. Did you think nobody else would find it? So, my criticism of it would just be it's bizarre. She decides, I need to throw this in a pool. Like, okay? Yeah, it is really weird. It's fairly natural to me. And then a pool of water. And yeah, and then it just, I'm happy with it, though, because it sets up the really funny of her drowning herself. Like, I was super humbled with it. I think it was a really great payoff. She's the candidate of all of this. Gin's for you. Number one. Again, what exactly is your alternative? Leave it. Nothing. You just don't fuck with it. It's actually really easy. Nothing, just leaving it there. What is your alternative to picking it up? Not picking it up. Wait, what does she do after she threw it in? She just hung out there, right? She just leaves and then she sees the fight that's going on. And then she's like, oh, shit, that spear. That'll be useful. It's such a weird moment there. This is a really valuable thing. Throw it in this pool of water. Because at the time, it was just like a pool of water. You could see it glowing down at the bottom. What did she think that would accomplish? I don't know. I honestly have no idea. What about all the people who come here to the rubble to clean it up and everything? Is Superman not going to ask, where is that spear? Is Batman not going to ask, where is that spear? Are they not going to go back and find it? Because she just walks a little bit and throws it in a pool of water. Walk around with it in this. What does it accomplish? It put it in a pool and then she drowned. That's what it accomplished. Alternative. Was she supposed to walk around with it in the street? Who's to say Lex Luthor's goons weren't hanging around to make sure everything goes to plan? Why wouldn't if you bring up Lex Luthor's goons looking for kryptonite into the equation, why wouldn't they have just come here looking for it and found it? It's glowing in a pool of water. Do you know what I mean about the desperation to defend the movie? It's like, this is pathetic. I thought most, if not everyone agreed that this thing that Lois does is so funny and stupid. And he's like, what if there's Lex Goons? What if they want to see it? I guess not a movie can swim. Yeah, I mean, the Goons... Well, she moved it 20 feet to the left in this pool of water, so they won't find it. I would say it's too late if there were Goons. They would have gotten to her and the spear by now if there were Goons. Like Lex Luthor was able to find a, like a, if Bruce Wayne could find that chunk of kryptonite in the ocean that the Pearl Divers found on some island in the middle of nowhere. Then I'm pretty sure that Lex Luthor Goons could find this right next to where it was left. To clarify, that was Randy's found the kryptonite and Lex tried to import it. Then it was blocked by the Senate. And so he sneaked it in with his evil black marketisms. And then Batman stole it from him. Just to, just because I know someone's gonna be like, wow, Rags, it wasn't Bruce that found it in the stupid... Whoever it was, it doesn't even matter who it was. I know. Have any, in fact, having it not be Bruce makes my argument better. Well, yeah, it was Lex's, Lex's Goons. It was Lex's Goons. These Goons, they're good. Nigga, number two, whoever said she... But they can't take it from this water pool. That would not have been possible. They can't swim. Leave it there. Wouldn't it make sense that she was getting it out of the way for the time being until all of the crises were averted and Lex Luthor was behind bars? So she was just gonna come back for it later and there would have been no investigation or any of these factions or groups coming to look for the kryptonite spear? So he's arguing she was hoping to hide it so that it couldn't hurt Superman. And then, oops, she decided, oh, this is the one thing I need now. I don't see how she could ever conclude that because that just supports the idea that she would want it even further out of play. If Superman is battling someone, let's involve the spear that makes him so he can't even walk. It's like, I don't, I don't, I don't know. Also, she didn't, why not run a little farther and throw it in the ocean or something? This is the best you could do. Why is there a submerged like room in this building? Because that is high tide. It's high tide. Apparently whole sections of this city are just abandoned. Under what? In being, until all of the crises were averted and Lex Luthor was behind bars and then someone she trusts could come back and get it later when the world wasn't coming to an end? Because that's right. That's that's that's fucking brilliant of you to assume the rest of the world would not care about the kryptonite spear. It's fucking brilliant. That's amazing. Batman, like, what do you really think? Batman would be wondering where the fuck is the spear? Superman would be wondering where the fuck is the spear? Alfred would be wondering where the fuck is the spear? The Lex Luthor people would be wondering where the fuck is the spear? Lex is goons. So the next one is why does Superman fly the kryptonite spear into doomsday getting himself killed in the process? They could have figured out some other way. So for one, I think we did this in the in the EFAT movies as well, Wonder Woman ties him up, gas grenade from Batman, Wonder Woman chops his head off. You don't even need the spear. It's all good. Everything worked out. High five everybody. Yes, because we know that her sword can chop off body bits. But how about we do a different one, which is Superman take the spear to Wonder Woman, tell her that this put through its chest will kill it. So Batman, gas grenade, Wonder Woman go and Superman's gonna have to stay away because kryptonite hits him. Yep. There you go. I came up with two. They have the equipment. They have the materials. They act as if they should. They just don't do it. I picture this as the kind of person though that would say, yes, Wonder Woman can cut through his arm but his neck muscles are far stronger. You've been job flexing. Yeah. What if she used the lasso? Okay, she tied the lasso around him and then got him to see the truth of his ways and that he was being a meanie. He like his eyes gloss over. He's just like, I always wanted to be a farmer. I wanted to be a hairdresser. On a farm. On a farm. On a farm. The man for kryptonite spear into doomsday getting himself killed in the process. They could have figured out some other way. Oh, you mean like we just did? People just hear. Hence why it's going to be interesting to see what his response is because there's only 30 seconds before we'll be switching videos. This scene is purposefully set up so that the threat is too great and the time too short to come up with any other way. Nope. That's not true at all though. Wrong. That's not true at all. Do you know how fast thoughts happen? Well, what's pretty cool is, check this out. I don't think he does for X, unfortunately. If I knew that the only way to kill Fringy is with an anti-witch doctor, plague mask, tism, grenade. I can tell that to Rax pretty quick. I just did, actually. Right there. Here you go. Rax do it. Throw the grenade. I can't throw it because I have a gas mask that could hit me. I haven't been killed. It's just playing with me. There's no time. It's like, no time to do what? There's no time for me to tell you the plan. Oh, there's no time for you to tell me the plan? It's like, no, there is no time for me to tell you the plan. Can't happen. Because it'll take 10 seconds to be, it won't even take 10 seconds is like if they talk very slowly and they assume that Wonder Woman's as dumb as she is in her own films. You could do it on a side language. I'm going to hit him with a green gas grenade. When he is stunned, stab him with the spear, the pointy end, okay? And she's like, she gets it enough. She's not that bright, but she gets it. She nods her head and like, okay, go team and then you do it. High five. And then the movie's over and everyone lived happily ever after, except for us, because we had to watch it. The three heroes, Superman is the only one that knows where the kryptonite is and the only one able to get it. Yeah, and then you can give it to them. Yeah. Because he's a person who can provide other things to other people. This is also assuming that Batman or Wonder Woman can go to the place. Because if you sent them to this place, they'd be like, oh, where's the spear? Oh, it's over there in that pool of green water. Why is this here? Oh, well, I'll ask them about it later. Also, can we just ask why Superman chooses to stab Doomsday through the chest rather than the head with the spear? Wouldn't the head be a way to go? Hasn't he seen Infinity War? The other keeping Doomsday busy. I could think of a few ways that could have changed this scene to allow for a happier ending. Oh. Why doesn't he hold it further away from himself? I don't know. He's an idiot. Very well. Yeah, he is an idiot. It's weird how kryptonite works, especially the spear, because it only kills Doomsday after it goes all the way through him and now the kryptonite's no longer in Doomsday's body. Well, it's further away from him, yeah. It's weird. It don't make sense. It's also enough to prevent Superman from getting up at all, but in this scene, he's able to fly with it. It's like, all right. Interesting. Good point, Chad. Why doesn't he throw it? It's a spear. That's another good question, one that we will probably get no answers for. I mean, I guess I'm willing to accept that he's not strong enough to throw it, but I mean, he can fly. So like, he's clearly got some strength going. And of course, Wanda would like it. At least he could at least like it. My Batman could throw it, because he's a person who made it to use. It's also worth remembering, this is an amazing tool against a Kryptonian. You walk up to them and they start going, oh, oh, when is it down? Oh, I've got gingivitis. So like, yeah. I got herpes. You go over to Wanda Woman, be like, seriously, this thing? Oh, it's like, it's like a cheat code. It's so good. Just go over there. You should use it against that bad man right there. This will fuck him up. You're, especially when you consider Wanda Woman has super practice with like obsolete melee weapons. So she would be the perfect person to use a spear in this scenario. You look at her like you know. And she has super speed. You know how to do it. Yeah, she's super fast. She could run over to grab it and come back. I could think of a few ways that they could have changed this scene to allow her a happier ending. But it would defeat the purpose of the scene. Also, I don't care about the purpose of the scene. Well, yeah, I was gonna say, I just wanna catch that in full a second. Where the kryptonite is and the only one able to get it. The other two are busy keeping doomsday. Someone in chat brought up a good point. They said the bat spear is calibrated to Batman. So Superman can't throw it and hit. That's very, very true. That is very true. Well, if they call Alfred on the phone, surely he can recalibrate it for them. Yeah, he can recalibrate it on the mainframe. On the mainframe. Quick, use your hacking. I'm in. I think of a few ways that could have changed this scene to allow for a happier ending. But it would defeat the purpose of the scene, which is to have Superman sacrifice himself to save humanity. I don't care. I don't fucking care. So let's be the worst excuse possible. Yeah, this is horrific. Just piece of advice. You can use this argument forever with everything. Literally anything. It doesn't matter how bad it is. If it wasn't that way, then it wasn't the point. You see, because that's the point. Hux didn't shoot the rat because it wasn't supposed to be shot in the scene. Like, that's why you didn't shoot it. As long as the scene has a purpose to fulfill a plot point, it is OK. It doesn't matter how the execution goes. OK, then Civil War is better. I like how you say that Civil War is crap when Civil War has purpose, but actually executes. It's just funny that you guys are so obvious that I'm just like, this is so boring to make these arguments. This is so crap. Yeah, well, we had to have Superman sacrifice himself. Like, well, mechanically, that's a big fucking problem because he's, you know, Superman. Yeah, so we're going to have to work really hard to make this work. No, just shoot him with the back of the head with a desert eagle going to go right through. Doesn't even shoot through anything. And I just complain even harder if Superman lived through the death of Superman story arc. No. Because it would be the death of Superman, you fucking idiot. Oh my god. No, I wouldn't. We will be complaining. Why did Superman die in the death of Superman? You're like, what do you mean? It wouldn't be the death. That's not what the name of the movie is. It's called BVS Dawn of Justice. When I watched these the first time, I had no idea this was the death of Superman arc. I just thought these were shitty movies. I had no idea that was like the arc they're going for. Plus, this movie is called Dawn of Justice. I would not assume that Superman dies when he's in the Justice League and this movie is called Dawn of Justice. Well, why would I? I, I, eh. It's a really good argument. What is this? What is this trash? I like how I like how they are like trying to fake us out to fake. Oh my god, Superman's dead. He's totally dead, guys. Two movies into our DC extended universe. Superman is dead. It's like, okay, so Justice League. I don't believe you. The movie we're supposed to have all these heroes together now has to waste time to bring Superman back from the dead, which we're not going to care about because we barely had any sort of emotional connection with this version of Superman who is like the shittiest superhero ever. Oh my, it's just, it's a disaster. I don't see you. The side of cut's not going to be good. I don't know why he wouldn't have understood what he was writing this that he'd given up when he said, but it's the point. Like, yeah, we understood that that was the point. Yes, and all films can be justified with this. It's the point. What? Because that's what the script said and nothing. It sucks. So pathetic. A man lived through the death of Superman story arc by throwing a kryptonite spear through Doomsday's chest from 300 yards away. That would be great. I mean, she can throw it. Skip fucking throw it. If that hits some guy, he'd be dead. Why did they have to use- And that's what I was gonna say. We would carry on with this video, but we gotta move on to the other video. That was just a primer. How excellent are these men's defenses? Fabulous. They were just, they were magical. And now, they were unbelievable. Crazy because- Sorry. Yeah. We're moving on to, we're keeping the format and the man himself, but now we're moving on to trying to justify Lex Luthor and his, what you could call, motivation. If I were to try and do my best to steal man the shit out of it, it is when he was growing up, he was beaten by his father and his father would throw flowers to tyrants. And so, when he was doing his stuff, he was like, man, I hate you dad, but also you left me and I wish you would come back. So that's your baseline history. Really embarrassing. And then it moves on to him describing power being something that cannot be innocent. And if God was all powerful, that means he should have been able to stop Lex's dad from beating him and he didn't. So he's an evil son of a bitch. And that means that all powerful equals all evil or can't be all good and should be stopped. And he then says, we need a silver bullet for God's. And so with Superman, he's designing his silver bullet being kryptonite. And so if you stop there, you'd be like, so he just wants powerful people to not exist, I guess. He just doesn't like it. Well, yeah, because if you're powerful, you can't be all good. So you should die. Then he gets really weird because he's like, I guess pro Batman, but not really, he doesn't really get an opinion on that. But he does sort of aim to have Batman kill Superman because he wanted him to steal his kryptonite. And then he's going to aim to push Superman to want to kill Batman. And so if you disregard everything I just said, this gets weird because it seems to me that he's excited to have them duel in general. Like he calls it. Yeah, he's like excited. Like at the conversation at the top of the building, he's so fucking giddy about it. It's strange. He's like, oh, I'm so excited, can't wait for it. And the way he's going to do it is, Batman kills you, you're dead, and your mother's dead. If you kill Batman and bring me his head, I will free your mother. And it's like, how does this, like what does that have to do with what Lex wants? You know, he's like, he wants Superman gone, but he's willing to have Superman kill Batman. I'm lost. It's totally lost. It really seems that it becomes, he just wants to stir the pot and see what happens. Yeah, because that's what it turns into. I think that's bad enough in terms of just, he's made choices that have nothing to do with what I thought he wanted. And then he creates Doomsday. Why the fuck would you create Doomsday? It's like, oh, well, he describes him as he's Superman's Doomsday. It's like, you thought that Batman might have killed Superman and you might have created a giant monster for no reason. Also, if he kills Doomsday, or Doomsday kills Superman like you think he will, that'll leave Doomsday around. Exactly. It's like, what do you want? He came out to call Doomsday. And so, what's the issue after? Well, if Lex's issue is that we can't have super powerful entities be around because they're not all good. That means he's appealing to goodness. I assume so that the world won't get destroyed and people get destroyed and all that stuff, but he creates Doomsday with the intention of him destroying Superman so that now he's just replaced Superman with Doomsday. Instead of having a not all good superhero, he creates a literally all evil superhero. Why? Oh, God, guys, guys. It's the guy that says BVS is good in Civil War is bad saying Doomsday would never live if Superman died. Why? Lex made a timer to have time to kill Doomsday if Superman dies. With what? He doesn't have kryptonite. He's lost all of his kryptonite. Batman. This is not in the movie. Black psoriasis of the heart. This is the guy that says that Zebo is a terrible villain in Civil War because his plan relies on Tony Stark being upset upon finding out that he killed his parents and not being willing to like listen to reason. And I'll be honest, you've just highlighted to me another issue. Why would Lex allow Batman to steal all of his kryptonite instead of like half of it? And then why wouldn't Lex have that be his contingency plan when Superman returns? Hey, that's too much. Also, the timer, wait for, wait, wait, I was making a fucking joke. So when Superman returns, he'll land and be like, you weren't successful with your, and then he just holds out his kryptonite rock and Superman's like, ah, no, stop. And then he just stabs him with his little kryptonite knife that he would have made. And it's over. Oh, yeah. So thank you, Defender, for making the film worse. This is a commonality when it comes to EFAP. The film doesn't need your help to be bad. What timer? Like, that's not in the film at all. He gave him diabetes. But it's for diabetes. It's for Martha. Like, he gets a timer that goes up. Why did you say that name? Yeah, the timer is just to indicate once Doomsday's finished cooking and when he's run out of time to save Martha. I think, yeah, the cookies are done. But like, the timer has nothing to do with killing Doomsday. He has no way of killing Doomsday. There's nothing that Lex has that can kill Doomsday. You fucking idiot. I don't even think that he has to do any kind of activation for Doomsday. It just sort of erupts. This is a reminder of the Doc Ock set up cameras argument. That's what this is. Oh, he set up a timer to kill Doomsday. Is he trying to suggest that Doomsday is like in a microwave? And if he turns off the microwave at any point before go, that Doomsday won't have completed his gestation. Is that the argument? Because Doomsday's already wriggling around when Superman arrives. So like, that doesn't work either. But that would mean that even if the argument for Rags still stands that if he beats Superman, then what are you gonna do? You've got a giant orc monster that is probably twice as powerful as Superman, twice as angry and has no interest in helping people at all running around Metropolis. Yeah, he's just evil. He's just replaced Superman who at least is trying to be good and is mostly doing good, I guess, in a weird way. Like he's trying, God bless him. But you replace that with Doomsday. Why? You just reminded me of that. Are you gonna create an extra, are you gonna create Doomsday's Doomsday to kill Doomsday? In that scene, because it's really funny. I don't know. So you picture yourself as Batman, right? You just blew up the room with all the fire, Martha Kansen it, you rescue her and you start to leave. But then before you leave, you're like, wait, is that a phone over there? Huh, walks over to the phone and he's like, oh, it's a direct line to Lex Luthor. I'll pick it up. And then he hears Lex Luthor say, is that the cook? I presume that she's dead. Then Batman just goes, oh, he says like, is whatever broken. And Batman just goes, I'd rather do the breaking in person. It's like, did you call Lex to tell him that you're gonna kill him? What the fuck, Batman? He's such a weirdo. Oh, it's some hilarious shit, I would say. What a sweet 20 seconds to animation. There you go. You're running out of time there, Lex. And it just doesn't seem like a great plan, you know? But apparently the Kryptonian computer told him that if he was to drop a Kryptonian body into the goo and combine it with his blood, he would create a giant monster that is capable of killing Superman. And so we do it. Well, that's just assertive. Wait, how did he do that? The Kryptonian was actually done, presumably. Because that's the bio juice for the Krypton babies or something. So it only makes sense if you put Zod in there and your blood that it makes a super monster that could kill Superman. It's totally intuitive. There's nothing about that that doesn't make sense. Yeah, the UI is super easy to use. I'm fucking insane that I wish one of the characters like Batman would be like, what the hell is your plan? What is any dude? I know you're evil. Yeah, if I was his assistant, you know, is that it? Yeah, well, I guess it's time to begin his view. I was gonna say Lex doesn't make any sense is the point of that. And Lex will never make any sense ever again because he's got all of the Kryptonian knowledge in his head. That's like a justification for how he does anything now. He spent like an hour in that computer and it's told him everything ever. By the way, the Kryptonian computer says, we have knowledge stored from over 100,000 planets. So it's confirmed that Krypton managed to spread to over 100,000 planets. Like it's not just that they spread for 100,000 years. When Krypton died, they all just stopped living. Yeah, they just abandoned all of them before they even died. 100,000 planets. They actually say, I think, at 100,000 worlds. So that could refer to systems. Is there any reason why Earth is so important to the dark side? Oh, I guess this is all gonna be fun to talk about when the Snyder cut falls out. Hey, his name sounds like the word's dark side. Yeah. Is he a villain? I hope so. It's cool. Oh my goodness gracious. He's like shadow the hedgehog. 100,000 planets had their chance. This is part three of my defense of Zack Snyder's Batman v Superman. Can you imagine having to say those words? Oh my God. It's like, I'm so sorry that you did this. All right, attempt to answer common criticisms about the film in order to show that there might be more to appreciate than people think. In part one. More to appreciate than people think, it's like, oh boy. Oh, you may appreciate how terrible it is. For this film's portrayal of Batman. And in part two, I covered its portrayal of Superman, as well as the fights he gets into. This time we'll go over the portrayal of Lex Luthor, as well as his oft-misunderstood master plan that drives the plot of the movie. I would love to see how he misunderstands that. Master plan, I love that. His master plan. Oh, this master plan that should have no way of working in any way whatsoever, and it manages to work anyways. Somehow. Just per se of years. Nick, that is a three syllable word for any thought too big for little minds. There's also a cringe line. That's not true though. That's a super cringe. It's also not true. So odd start, let's soldier forth. Next category, circles. Oh, that was just a clip in there because this is a weird character who's just using his master plan. I think it's more broad. A lot of people who are super into like the Snyder stuff will always talk about how smart it is and the people, you know, one of the common ones is, oh, people hate what they don't understand. It's like, you guys gotta like, get off that. I hate it because I understand it. Well, if you remember, and I know this because of the red light media coverage in like an interview or a panel, even Ben Affleck said, he like, it was like too, the script was a little too intelligent for everybody. He couldn't quite understand all of it. He's playing with all these themes that are a little too smart for me, but you know. Also, I like that it's Jesse Eisenberg's master plan. He's not even next Luther. This Jesse Eisenberg Lex Luthor just isn't Lex Luthor. It would have been much better with some older, more imposing actor that's more stern and- I'm more than happy for you to adapt away, but holy shit, was this character frustrating, annoying, and idiotic, like, or- I would have, if you said we're gonna roll the dice and we're gonna cast like a different actor, I'd say fucking go for it. Just do it. Tom Selleck is Lex Luthor. I'm like, okay. If they ended up with Daddy DeVito, I'd be like, well, I feel like I could probably do something with it. At least the film could say that it's playing him as a joke and I would have believed him. And yeah, and I would honestly be like, so you wanna go for this darker, more realistic take on the superhero world. Why not go with a safe adaptation of Lex Luthor as in like a ruthless businessman who's ready to take down the threats he perceives but he himself wants to be powerful, research wealthy, and like a lot of people say it and it just should happen. I think Brian Cranston would have been perfect. I think Lex Luthor from him. But I'm pretty sure- Mark Strong. Yeah, yeah, I'd be on board with that. I think there was a thing about someone asked him in some interviews, like, would he do it? He was like, yeah, I'd be on board to do that. It's like, they went with Jesse Eisenberg. It's like, okay then. Why? And also people have said that they thought, especially the way he acts in this movie that he might have made a better Joker, but it's not just that it's Jesse Eisenberg. His motivation seems to be chaos for chaos sake and that's quite a bit more like the Joker than Lex Luthor. From what I understand, I'm not super familiar. What's Lex Luthor supposed to be like, ideally? Like what's- I think pretty like, I mean, my impression from all the different Lexes I've seen is just that control, power, intelligence, wealth, like he's just a classic businessman in a way. Cold, calculating, yeah, it doesn't lose his shit. Tywin-ish. It's pretty easily. And- Yeah, a little bit. But of course, you don't have to do that, but I don't know why you wouldn't have, like honestly, but all right. Someone in the comments said Michael Sarah wasn't available. Oh, that's great. Oh, that's great. Older and bald with no hair. Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor? Wait, isn't it too bald? He has no hair? Bald with no hair. Bald with no hair? Oh, damn. Like on his entire body? Like eyebrows and everything? Oh man. It almost felt like, yeah, like giving him that much hair was a very deliberate choice. It's like, look, he's not at all, he's going to become the Lex Luthor you know. You're like, right, okay. An imposing and older and bald with no hair. Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor is an attempt to update the character for a modern audience. That worked well. Right, right down to the bottom. That's why a modern audience has loved it. Updates the character. I bet Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor is more adapted for a modern audience than this Lex Luthor. Hell yeah. I bet that Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor is better adapted for a modern audience. They're probably all off. Come back. It's one thing to say that, hey, it's different, it's allowed to be different, which I totally agree with. But he's like, no, this is more updated. This is how it should be for a modern movie. Like, oh, come on. Now you're just, now you're not saying that, oh, it's different, it's allowed to be different. You're saying it's actually better that it's like this. What about old Lex Luthor as an archetype is ill-suited to modern audiences? It's very, I don't want to say typical, but fairly standard villain template. This shit tons of those people in the real world. Yeah. The workization of Lex compliment for my Superman because that's essentially what we tried to do with Man of Steel. He was reading a script, guys, don't listen to him. He was paid to do that. He doesn't mean it, he don't mean it. The modernization of Lex is a good compliment for my Superman because that's essentially what we tried to do with Man of Steel was bring Superman to the present day in the modern world. And Lex is a facet of that. Rather than the tired old depiction of Lex Luthor as an entire. But those are all three different depictions. Is he really just gunning for like a while? What's with Chris Cooley in the middle? Look, he's wearing a suit. So the new Lex can't be wearing a suit. Yeah, if you need an evil, maniacal, crazy, ideologue of a businessman, just have him like own a social media company or something. Well, that's probably what they were going for. I think so, yeah. Of course, he was Mark Zuckerberg in the social network. And he's not like, but I don't, I don't know. Like this is the thing, you've got a lot of different, my God, that's terrifying. You've got so many different options. And I guess they, as Henry said, and I guess they all agree, the best complimented this Superman. Which in some ways is true, I suppose. It's all terrible. It's just like, you just sort of mix more terrible in it, sort of blends and you're like, yeah. I just wouldn't have recommended it myself. An evil capitalization of corporate greed. The filmmakers realized that the self-made billionaires of today are more likely to be philanthropists. Wait, but the top left would look way closer to a Luther archetype. Yeah, also, like you could, like if you don't think people wouldn't believe a billionaire could be evil, I don't know what to tell you. Also, it's a lot of anti-cooperate sense. This is, the audience changed now for me. Like this is all five of these people would probably be a hell of a lot more compelling in the movie than whatever the character they tried to generate in this movie was. They're not insane. Like one of them is a memelord, that's not a real one. Lex Luther in this movie isn't a self-made billionaire. His dad, he inherited it. Oh, that's true. Yeah, he never talks about his achievements. He just sort of fell into the business. It's not even apt to compare him to Jeff Bezos. So like Elon Musk. I'd actually quite like an affable Lex Luther that's very charismatic and doesn't seem villainous at all for much of the movie. I think that'd be interesting. Well, maybe he only ever shows that side, like in secret sort of thing. Yeah, like, you know, when you first see him for the first few scenes that he's in, he's very likable. You almost kind of root for him. I think that'd be an interesting way to take it because the character of Lex Luther kind of relies on him having good publicity. So I think really trying to nail that would make for a solid depiction of Lex Luther. Not guy that, you know, shoves Jolly Ranchers into Senator's mouths. I don't buy him as the CEO of this massive company. Like in that everyone who works for him is like, oh yeah, totally fine with it. He's clearly insane. And I guess I just find it amusing. He's like, oh, the archetype of the bold guy in the suit. It's like, it's not what we have today shows us a bold guy in a suit. Okay. It's a bold strategy. It's evolved in the tech industry. People like Mark Zuckerberg, for example. And so who better to play him than Mark Zuckerberg himself? We wanted a character who would show us exactly what a genius entrepreneurial businessman. No, so you failed magnificently. Excellent, thank you. Stop saying this thing. You don't even have him act like Mark Zuckerberg in the social network. You have him act like auditioning for the Joker. He is quite a character in the show's network. It's a good movie. I would recommend it. In this, he's just really annoying. And I guess to get more substantive than that, you don't understand him at all. It's really confusing in every scene. He's, he just don't get it. Conflicting motivations throughout. And like all of his lines are attempting to be really, the weird lofty, I think, where he says something quirky and pretentious. A combination of quirky and lofty, like he says it. And it's like, oh, how weird that you said that. But at the same time, someone who fucking loves Snyder movies will be like, oh my God, think about what he just said. The angels, they come from below. Well, you're like, and you're like, all right, that's it. Whether it's a Steve Jobs or the guys who started Google. Do you know that all those people have personalities though? I also like the implication that all of those people are like, act like, like Saluthor. It's like, probably not. You're like, Mark Zuckerberg, is this you? It's like, what the fuck? Like, I'm not that overtly evil. Yeah, he's closer to like Superman. He's like an alien. They've not got it right, you know? Jeff, we wanted a young, compelling guy to play that role. This new Lex Luthor is more concerned with elevating his public image than he is with merely accumulating- No, he's not. No, he's not. When was that a part of the thing that he did? What? This is like the one scene that he does anything close to that, but the purpose of this is to put Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne in the room. At least I thought it was. Because he wants to- I thought so? Like, I don't remember what this is for outside of that. The whole, like, he wants the public to see him as- He has to make him aware of each other. I don't remember that being an element in the movie. Remember when he gets on the stage, he gives a really unnerving speech, where he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. And you're just like, what the fuck? He like has these random outbursts where he's yelling. Yeah. I love the idea. Public image. Very cool. Let's leave the caring about everyone admiring him and stuff, but like, they didn't do that with this. And wealth. This revision of the character wasn't planned from the beginning. In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, Zack Snyder revealed that Jesse Eisenberg was originally supposed to play Jimmy Olson. What? The photographer from the beginning who's shot in the head. After watching his performance of Lex Luthor, I really want to see the cut where we see Jesse Eisenberg get shot in the head. What an upgrade. You're like, you're gonna be in it for one minute. Now you're a main villain. You're like, oh, cool. But during his audition, he culled in difference about the film's subject matter. That Zack began to think that this was what the smartest man in the world might be like in real life. What? Oh my God. Smartest man in the world. Wow. Why would you put this in your video? This is awful. The smartest man in the world. Oh my goodness. I think Zack Snyder is actually a 14 year old. The smartest man in the world would conclude. It explains everything. The writing, the characterization. The fucking doob's day monster to kill the strongest hero on earth. You're like, why? I can't believe it. What? Real life. Ego-driven sociopath with more than a few personality defects. He's dealing with a lot of what we would consider kind of modern psychological problems. What? Modernist problems. Okay. Much as my dad doesn't love me. Like, okay. Relatable. Oh my God. Very modern. I'm glad there's tape on the ground so he knows where to stand. I'm glad those images of his incredible character in the background to just illustrate how wonderful he was. So memorable. And we've probably diagnosed him today as some kind of narcissistic sociopath or something where he doesn't. Why would you let someone do that to you? Why would you do this in your footage? Just why? This is what narcissistic sociopaths do. They shove jolly rats. Clearly it is vitally unstable so he slides jolly wretches in your bow. It's cherishable. And he's a narcissist sociopath and everyone's fine with him. Like, everyone's like, oh yeah. This is what a narcissist sociopath will give you candy. Put it in your mouth and be really free to guess it. You'll slide that sucker right in your lips. And they made it so weird. And you'll just stand there and eat it. He, like, offers it. And the guy's like, no. And then he goes, it's cherry. As if, like, of course you want it. It's cherry. You're like, what the? Do you think that the original actor for Lex Luthor was Kevin Spacey? But they had to fire him because he wouldn't do this scene if the actor that he's shoving a jolly rancher into is above age. That was a long joke for a payoff that everyone's shoal. I, but I appreciate it. I understand. Doesn't have, you know, maybe like kind of empathy. He sees people as kind of, you know, paper dolls, to keep this read. He sees people as paper dolls. Does he? Okay. What do you mean by paper dolls? Like, did he mean puppets? Paper doll, like things that he can play with? I don't, I'm not sure. No one would say, no one would say paper dolls if they meant puppets, surely. Like, paper dolls must be like its own thing. Let me Google that. Maybe paper dolls are a thing. Doesn't have, you know, what we would consider maybe like kind of empathy. He sees people as kind of, you know, paper dolls, pawns. Paper dolls, what's a pawn? Yeah, they're just like, they're just pictures of things. Oh. So he sees people as like hollows at the point, I guess. It's not even hollow. They're two dimensional. Oh, he sees people as two dimensional then, I guess. Reminds me of him. All right. Oh, pawns. I thought he said pawns as in like P-O-N-S. What the fuck a pawn is? Pawns? Paper pawns. That's the American accent for me. Pawn, pawn, pet-a-pawn. I remember that game. Okay, so he sees them as two dimensional and to be manipulated. Alrighty, I follow now. I didn't really get that from the movie outside of when he's like, wall Superman, I got your mum. Now you gotta go kill Batman. I'm so smart. I'm the smartest man in the world. Redesigned in line with comic book history, Lexenberg is lifted directly from the pages of Superman Birthright. Lexenberg. I guarantee you. So what happened the last time we covered when Perfect and he referenced the comics to support his arguments? I got several DMs and also several from meme repository. He misrepresented like crazy what he gave as evidence for how it was faithful in the previous video. So we can basically throw all this out. And also he's defending the movie, like it doesn't have to follow the comics, but now it's good because it follows the comics, so. Yeah, I mean, this is the thing. Even if there was a comic, well, like one for one, everything that was in the movie is just in this comic called Superman Birthright. I wouldn't give a fuck. I should be like, oh, that comic sucks. Yeah, it doesn't matter what the medium is. Yeah, do we ever address the context for why Superman was fighting Shazam in that one clip that he included in his previous video? Oh, well, that would, I guess we could. We never did it on like an actual EFAB, I don't think. Yeah, so I got DMed by a guy, HeroSpeed, who provided just a very brief summary of what the context was. It was that Lex Luthor tricked them into fighting in an empty part of the city that Lex Luthor built for the homeless. So not only no civilians were hurt, but it was all set up to make Superman look like a massive threat to everyone. This was one of the worst examples Twin Perfects could have chosen to justify Man of Steel. There you go. Do you not destroy the homeless if you give them homes? I don't know. That's good. Could be a bad guy. Trying to have some fun here with the miserable man. I'm already more likeable than Lex Luthor. So yeah, I guess. So when he worked on this comic, it was called Lienolf FU. What? Is that supposed to be? Yeah. Is that like an artist's name? Or a... FU. Lionel? Lionel? FU. Lionel Lionel. Yeah, I don't know. That's quite the name, FU. Yeah, the reason I brought that up was just, one, we don't care for these arguments anyway, but two, there's probably a lot of context you won't include, so, you know. Nope. We can't, and this is the thing. It's not nice to do that to people who don't read the comics, like Poril, EFAP, we can't even fight back. Why? You shouldn't be doing this. Right. Lex as a... And prone to outbursts and feverish ravings about how alone he is in his... Wait, let's read some of this style, I'll tell them. Translation. This is it, Clark. This is the week by Friday, Saturday, and the latest, at the latest, everything I've labored for my entire life is gonna pay off. Do you hear me? Clark, I'm going to make history. Slower, no, faster, faster and furthering across the stars at better than light speed, Clark, and you are there. Oh, all right, I'm gonna stop. Where? That's fine, let's move on. This is... Do you know why, of all the amazing, cutting edge, technocentric cities on Earth, I came to this jerk water burg? I assumed your dad moved you here. No, I moved him years ago. While traveling, I unearthed something in Smallville, something that validated every single theory I've ever had that we are not alone in this universe. Also, the United States largest ball of yarn. So wait, this is to support the Lex Luthor Hattison who is eccentric, and so it's okay that Jesse Eisenberg is terrible. I don't see the through line. Perhaps that will be explored. Though my hopes are not high. I'm just being told by a guy in the EFAT podcast talk channel that he's read Superman Birthright, and this dude is straight up lying and misrepresenting it to help his arguments, which isn't a surprise. I'm assuming that this Lex, or whatever the name of this character is, has got nothing in terms of connections to the Lex we saw in... Maybe I don't wanna deny the idea that they may have used it as inspiration or whatever, but like the execution, I've got some faith that this comic was written in a way that was stronger than what we got in the movie. That's the, there you go. The intellectual superior. And this birthright Lex was captured in Eisenberg. Also, everything we just read, that doesn't even feel like Eisenberg's Lex, you know? Yeah, I'm really different character. Yeah. Like this guy actually seems like a more stereotypical mad scientist. Yeah, yeah, mad scientist is a good way to, yeah. Eisenberg's performance. Because God is tribal. God takes sides. No man in the sky intervened when I was a boy to deliver me from Daddy's fist and abominations. What is this? This is like one of those things where you, if you're the director, you see this and you're like, clearly, I was mistaken. This was the wrong move. I selected the wrong thing to do. God didn't say anything from Daddy's fist. I love the enthusiasm, Jesse. Let's reel it back just a little bit. Maybe drop the, hmm, at the end. Just we're gonna cut that part out. Like you're too quirky to take seriously. Like I don't believe you. To give it feels like he's just trying to be Jim Carrey's riddler. It feels like an actor. To give another example of how you can, like, I think Fringy and I end up in trouble with this a lot with people. It's the whole subtlety thing. We, like when I'm talking about dialogue. So he's like, my dad beat me. Okay, all right, there's this show. I never referenced it, but I'm gonna give a new example today because I can keep doing them because there's so many of them because the show has really awesome writing in it. But they're discussing the potential for domestic abuse for a father on a child and the team are like, oh, there's no evidence that the parents ever hit the kid. And one of the characters says a father doesn't have to be physical to be abusive. And then they all look at him and then they look back at the work and it's like, ooh. And there's just a subtle implication of something that may have happened with that person in that way. And that's why they said that. They wanted to push back on the idea that you can only be physical. It's like, oh man, that's something to think about. Meanwhile, God didn't stop dad from punching me. No, no. You tussle his hair like, you'll be okay. It's just a one-to-one to me. Like this is where you stop. You're like, oh, your character says exactly what happened to them. That's the best way to explain a history. But yeah, I guess you guys are indeed. I don't know. There was a door from a book called Superman Birthright, where he was too smart. He understood too much. He was- That's not this Lex Luthor, by the way. He is not- No, they said he's a genius. They said he's a genius. That's not the Lex Luthor, though. Isn't that all you have to do when you're writing a character? You say, this character was a genius, and then they're a genius. Pretty neat. Yeah? Yeah, it works for the BBC Sherlock. He was really rich. Oh, yeah. You wouldn't be rich unless you were a genius. Creators, his mind could never turn off. There are many who say that they don't like this Lex simply because they don't like Jesse Eisenberg. That's weird. I've never met Jesse Eisenberg. I'm fine with Jesse Eisenberg. He's a good actor. Maybe it's his performance. Have you thought of that? If he's a cast thing and not the actor. Well, yeah, I think he could have played a Lex Luthor, probably, especially, I could see him playing a Lex's son, but not with this writing and not with his performance. Yeah, if things are different, then they'd maybe be better. Yeah, he used to go for a different personality entirely to make Jesse Eisenberg a Lex Luthor work. Yeah, you're stacking the cards against you on this one. Not saying you can't win, but it's an interesting decision. Well, I guess that his defense would rely on the idea that this is the only Lex Luthor that Jesse Eisenberg could do, implying that Eisenberg doesn't have the talent to have a larger range of possible performances for the character. It's kind of an insult to him a little bit. Well, his Mark Zuckerberg was closer to Lex than this was. Oh, yeah, or at least I say closer to Lex, closer to a character that I would presume to be someone like Lex in Lex's position. Yes, because he's still not like the Lex that I understand to be Lex from like in a faithful way, because again, Lex is supposed to be charming and charismatic, right, or at least to some degree. Oh, and this guy isn't. But that doesn't mean that it's not a safe choice It's not a safe choice to cast Eisenberg instead of Heisenberg. But at the very least, Snyder should get points for boldness in the absence of boldness. No points for boldness, not allowed. Yeah, you don't get any. Yeah, that's not a yeah. That's like, oh, if you got his dick out and did a little helicopter, that's pretty bold. That was definitely, yeah. It would earn that R rating in the extended edition. I'd be proud of Zach, I suppose. Pop that in the Snyder. You know what, it would honestly, it would fit the performance rather well, be like, yep, that's the thing that this Lex Luther would do. Jesse does really successfully as he's able to really get across the complexities of. Yeah, the complexities, huh? I'm getting very red flashbacks, man. And if you don't understand its complexity, you're just an idiot, you don't get it. So there, I can't lose. So to be fair, Molly, there is a comic where where Lex does a little helicopter with his dick. So that means it's good. It would be faithful then. Yes, it's called it's called Superman helicopter. Very simple name, but applicable. Simple name for a simple dick act. It's not about the subtleties, subtleties overrated. When no one was looking, Lex Luther took 40 cakes. He took 40 cakes. That's as many as four tens and that's terrible. Why is it terrible to have? Is it terrible that he took them or that there are 40 and 10 cakes? Maybe it would have been okay ish like they can replace pretty easily, but taking the 40 that was probably meant for a lot of people. It could have been kids like stealing 40 cakes. Yeah, it does feel like that's probably going to have more of an impact than it might have if it was one. Well, I mean, what was he planning on doing with the cakes that depends? Was he stealing it to give away to them and then fall on Batman and crush him into a pancake? One way to do it. Oh my God, it really is movie Bob's Lex Luthor. The fairly small cake. It's a small number of cakes for an average size person. I will become the cake of Lex Luthor. If you go back to the Canon and a lot of ways is very much in keeping with look at this dude and then think, oh, this is faithful. Yeah. Oh, enough of your dudes and suits. We want we want that's I mean insane. I don't even know what to call him. Like he's like a hipster insane person. He's quirky gimmick man. Yeah. Successfully is he's able to really get across the complexities of Lex Luthor in the film. If you go back to the Canon, a lot of ways is very much in keeping with some traditional versions of Lex that we just haven't seen in sort of mainstream pop culture recently again. How does that? Yeah, that's maybe we shouldn't say that. Oh, I love Lex Luthor's motivation is muddled and confused. Finally. So what does he have to gain from a fight between Batman and Superman? That's not that. No, the criticism isn't that it's why would he he would why would he want him to fight the answer? I would assume is he's hoping Batman kills Superman because he hates Superman's power level. But the confusion for me is the if he like legit was like you better win Superman. I'm going to kill your mom and so if he did and then he didn't kill it. Is that just game over for Lex? I guess my question would be what does he stand to gain from Batman winning? Oh, sorry, Superman winning. Well, the idea is that God cannot be all powerful and all good. So either but he's either Batman kills Superman and God is not all powerful or Superman kills Batman and God is not all good. That's but he already knows that he'd just be proving to himself a thing. I was going to say Superman is literally like in trouble in this movie for being portrayed as someone who lets people die a lot like he's like a he's already hated by several people. It was the protests and stuff. So what we're doing this do also Batman is not quite beloved right now. And then Cicely and if the report said Batman tried to kill Superman and Superman had to kill him to stop him also that Superman's mother was being threatened like I don't know. This doesn't seem like a very effective plan there. But again, I don't know that like Lex won't survive as soon as Superman's mom is safe. He's gonna fucking melt Lex. And then motivation of stopping God because the two powerful is ignored in that case for the sake of proving a point that Superman can do evil things which wouldn't even be true because he's trying to stop the death of his mother. This is a film for adults. Yes. Like I think the idea is the only way that Lex doesn't kill Superman's mother as if he brings him the head of Batman. Right. Okay. So happens if Superman decides to just fly over to the warehouse where where they have Martha Saber and then come back and kill Lex. Precisely. Like like well I mean like what's what's Lex Luthor's plan if that if that happens. Well that's not the purpose of the scenes. So that was never could happen. Lex Luthor that reminds me of Kylo is you start out kind of okay. You get the basis and then you add a thing and you're like okay no it's fucking with my basis and then you add another thing and you're like okay so that fucks with the first thing I threw in and the baseline. I don't know what's happening anymore and then it's like you have to stitch it all together in some way shape or form whenever it needs to be in the way that it is. Also he's insane shut up. Then to gain from a fight between Batman and Superman as a storytelling archetype Lex Luthor is Superman's opposite. I don't care. I don't get well once you start off by saying like as a storytelling dot to dot and try and get into the meta of it like you've already kind of not a good start. Let's just let's we'll ignore that Pa and see if he can argue that it just it makes sense. Come on you can do it ground it for us. And it's Superman character is about having God like powers and then choosing how to use them if at all. Don't bring up the scene it's terrible. Oh don't bring up this fucking movie and these fucking could have used normal human powers to save his dad. Yeah he could have used legs. But if this character would be one who has no such power but seeks all the power they can get for personal gain. What is the personal gain and what but we don't want is it established that Lex once a bunch of power for personal gain not really know I'm really curious what references would be for this. Yeah he doesn't he would turn him so yeah if he did he might turn himself into a God like monster but he just creates one he can't control instead. Yeah I'm I'm really curious how this is justified. And if you look at Lex Luth the opposite in every way Superman is human he's ego driven he has no powers wants power and accumulates power and Superman doesn't try and accumulate power but he has power. Okay would be any kind of nothing to do with BVS. I'm sorry. Which is funny because these are all behind the scenes. Yeah. John's man did a great job like this shepherding this is the universe you know Kevin Feige of the D.C. EU worked out so well under your watch. It feels like fluff like he's just he's he's putting this in to make it sound like he's saying something when he's not well I'm presumed like that's the argument now give me the references please. The only way such a character would be any kind of match for Superman is if they could consistently outsmart him they did he did not outsmart Superman he just hid his fucking mum and then said oh you know what Lois I need Superman to be here right now and what's the way to do it toss you off a roof and he appears and it's like oh and he does it later so you're like so he must have some kind of thing where he just knows where Lois is and he can instantly teleport to her she's in danger but he doesn't have it for his mother which fucks the whole film. It's very strange so you didn't outsmart him if that's something you've concluded Lex you're like I know that Superman will just be able to hack onto anybody he loves who's in trouble but simultaneously I will hide his mother and he I won't tell him where she is unless he kills Batman I was that smart. Yeah. It's it's like it's like saying I snuck into your house while you were gone and then once you opened your front door I punched you I outsmarted you was like not really you just you just ambush someone at their house it's not really outsmarting someone you know like it's not a contest of who was smarter and do any of Lex's goals and actions actually succeed in the end like I mean he doesn't convince everyone that Superman actually killed those people in the Middle East I will give us a catastrophe once the parademons to come and they do eventually oh well bizarre to ignore once he's gone insane it's a catastrophe for him when does that start my I know I know we'll put that into the equation second okay first without the insane it's his doomsday project is fucking dead Superman is considered like a hero to martyr and everyone loves him and he's dead now so he can't even do anything evil and and Batman is going to make a hero team that are very powerful so it's just like wow Lex and you go to jail you you are you really outsmarted us smartest man alive right here so she is in the path as a Lex Luthor who's only trying to destroy Superman so that Superman won't get in the way of his plans for real estate monopolization the rest of the world will be begging me for a piece of high-tech beach front property it makes more sense yeah it does make more sense this is dumb but it makes more sense at least you like understand oh this is what he's doing and this is why and this is what he's doing to accomplish it like okay I get it I understand this is something in fact they'll pay through the nose for it as rich and influential as he already is when Superman goes public Lex probably wouldn't regard Superman as much of a threat to his empire or bank account I don't see so he's an idiot is that what you're arguing I don't even know what to do with that like this Lex wouldn't care about Superman getting in his way because he's already rich like most Lex Luthers are already rich yeah that's generally if you had a poor Lex Luthor that would be a departure from the norm we had we had argument and like a man would probably not be all that interested in corporate greed what are we what are you doing right now like he's okay so Lex Luthor isn't just attacked by Superman strictly because he's like an average greedy capitalist or something usually does something a little bit more catastrophic the idea that he's like oh he's invested in bitcoins piece of shit oh no cuz that's what he's trying to do right now he's like why would clockhead care about that it's like well you know you write it so that Lex does something that would gain Superman's interest not just me what's going on these stories right that's yeah like since when does Superman only get involved when he's like wait which offshore account did you recently move your money to and Lex is like new update of Lex would need a different reason to want to destroy Superman one that's in keep no that one is you wouldn't have to you made him that way you could still do the that classic motivation if you want to call that looking yeah the hurt the villains greed is is it the timeless classic cuz greed is understandable being with his new narcissistic drive to improve his PR and is again quite similar to the Lex yeah Luthor in birthright the birthright Lex feels alone care an outcast from a society that's afraid of his intelligence I don't care about his comic afraid of his intelligence okay he's driven by a need to find extraterrestrial life in his hopes of finding a place to fit in this has nothing to do with the okay this isn't the movie I'm sorry they adapted it perfectly and now he's talking about all these things something completely different yeah like if someone said like oh I don't curiosity did you catch in BBS the whole like Lex is so intelligent that like people like fear him but no oh no I saw a guy awkwardly let him stuff a jelly rancher into his mouth that was about it most interactions in the film have people being standoffish with him they're like you're a weirdo not yeah no one sees him as the super charismatic hero that they admire or respect or even are afraid of they're just like you're weird he's just a fucking weirdo that seems to be what everybody's consensus and then it's like okay but you caught the how he has like super interest in aliens because he's an outcast like no when was that in the movie with people and as he is as Superman puts it he just wants someone to talk to it's a more sympathetic when Superman makes himself known to the world Lex is upset that the alien life he spent so many years searching for looks down on him as if he's unimportant this is nothing okay I don't yeah I don't I don't care you're just telling me about a different color and all right he tries to destroy Superman by exposing him to the public as an alien and then stages a Kryptonian invasion that he frames Superman for being part of like you're describing events that could easily just take place in an adapted version in BVS if you wanted them to Lex could do fucking anything you don't have to make him a weird social network type leader as if those are your own lead choice is just funny to me because he's like describing how Lex had to be the way he was in BVS for it to make sense that Clark would have an issue with him and then simultaneously he's like this story about Lex Lutha depicts him as someone who is is feared for his intelligence and eventually finds kinship in the idea of aliens because of the outcast nature of his like personality when he discovers the clock is an alien he's like I'm going to stage the Kryptonian attack on earth to make him seem like a bad guy it's like oh you mean that could that could just be in the film actually yeah because I don't because I watch the film I think and I don't remember any of that well of course yeah he's just a short point he's getting to you now because it can't possibly be that they adapted this it's just like I don't know where he's going all he's currently doing is listing different versions of Lex Lutha that sound a lot better than what we got yep kill Superman stop his pretend invasion and make himself look like the world's saviour the Batman the Superman Lex is exactly like this no no are you saying no why would you say are no I thought I was beaming when I was like oh there's no way he's going to say that this is like accurate because for reference I saw the first two I haven't seen this one literally I didn't realize he was going to say that either I just said he's just listening different versions of sound better than what we got immediately clue what how did you how do we get here look like the world's saviour the Batman v Superman Lex is exactly like this with a pathological need to assert his superiority over everyone where like he's just I mean he's a he's kind of a condescending prick but that's sort of as far as it looks like it goes I mean I guess I guess I felt him really trying to assert his authority over the guy that he's you know he stuff the Jolly Rancher into his mouth yeah so there's nothing authority and thanks superiority of the people I guess you could say that when he's like when Superman's on his knees and he's like now doesn't say something like now God does my will or something is that like the only reference we even have and the job that in the Jolly Rancher we're doing good guys the problem of evil in the world the problem of absolute virtue the problem of you on top of everything else you above all can't believe this is the final like what they used for the film yeah it looks like he's practicing learning his lines in front of a mirror at home this is weird so that cringe Pepe face is watching me like oh yeah this is cringe Pepe face saw you over pepe Donna because that's what God is tizen the entire plot of this film is hinged on Lex Luthor's jealousy of Superman his anger that someone is intelligent he is no it's his hatred of snow it's explicit that he wants to kill him because he doesn't he thinks all powerful people can't be good I I find doesn't want to become all powerful himself or else he would do something to make him or he was referenced that in some way in the movie he says yeah if he he says there's plenty of Superman stories where Lex Luthor has some type of power armor that gives him the powers of Superman but that's not this movie didn't do that has this is fascinating to me because like in this video he's he's basically making the argument that Lex Luthor's goal is to attain power well it's very confusing because traditionally Lex Luthor wants to attain power this is a different interpretation of Lex Luthor where he wants to attain power but the reason why is because he feels alone because he's too smart for the world but also he I don't know like I feel like it's a lot simpler and worse how does he attain power he creates doob's day you're like yeah he nearly punches him in the pain power he doesn't attain any power on the movie when like doob's day is barely removed like the womb sack and he's already almost killed Lex oh shit his actual motivation is that he hates God he's an edgy internet yeah it's really that's what I was gonna say is like you've got man of steel with all the the cringy Jesus allegories and now it's just continuing in BVS with Lex Luthor being the fedora wearing a red atheist he wants to kill God with the kryptonite spear because God didn't stop his dad from hitting him and that's pretty deep it is I know it's really clever don't forget really clever that he had a painting with devils coming from the ground and then he flips it don't forget he's a Jesus does honest it it reads like bad 14 year old fanfiction doesn't it that's not even the exact Snyder's work man that's so smart it's so smart that I did the religious imagery for Superman when he's talking about the kryptonite in the early parts of the film he says why not create the silver bullet so that we don't have to rely on a monster to save us or something like that like the idea being that super Superman sure he defended us but why not have the silver bullet ourselves we don't have to rely on him like okay but again he's super confused why do you the fact you had to make a video explaining his motivation in the film when he's the main villain is probably indicative of how fucking confusing it is at least to some people and the way he explains it is to say oh it's just like this comic that has a whole different plot I was gonna say the amount of fluff that we've had to deal with without like understanding the actual films portrayal of him yet like all these these insurance loser Lex Luthor's yeah well he says it's exact it Lex Luthor in this movie is exactly like the one in the comics where he like tries to stage an invasion and then he's the one to save the day himself that doesn't happen in the movie so the God like Superman the bittersweet pain among men is having this is us because because that is paradoxical he cares about it he really cares about his personal image guys yeah he really cares about his public image yeah I love this this fiction that he's invented about what this film actually is keeps looping in on itself I can't believe it people do that all the time they have to invent a different film to defend but is it not an oxymoron to say that he is very outwardly focused yet his fundamental goal is he wants to meet aliens who are as smart as he is so that he can have something in common with them isn't that like a isn't that an oxymoron well he just said it's paradox way what do you mean so he's making the argument that this likes Luther is very concerned with like his outward appearance and status but like he's his actual motivation is that he wants to be friends with aliens because everybody's too stupid for him I don't you know what I mean like I don't see how those two can be like he doesn't like he doesn't want to be seen as better than everyone else but like he belongs well I think the problem is if the implication is that he doesn't even value human relationships because he has nothing in common with them why would he care what they think about him if especially of like he wants to be friends with aliens you know what I mean wouldn't he care more about what aliens think so wouldn't he care more about what Superman thinks more than anything else about that's only assuming that what this guy's saying his motivation is is what it is it's not in the I don't know I threw it in like it was really confusing I don't know if he's actually saying that's what's happening for Lex in this phone because Lex clearly fucking hates aliens yeah he wants to make his own that can punch him in the face as soon as they're born it's not an alien he made him on earth he's a naturalized American citizen I don't even know how that works if you take like a body of someone who's Kryptonian and then you you poke him with electricity goo and blood and then they wake up is that does that count as like a rebirth I guess you know as long as they pay the taxes I'm sure they don't care too much you know what Rags you can go and ask if he does I just want to go to Europe bath bath and the only way he can prove that he's superior to Superman is to paint him as a danger to society okay so I don't know but like Superman was already kind of like before the bomb and stuff even went off people were outside with signs saying like Superman's dangerous weird man and they clearly didn't like him well first of all they have reason to not like him but the movie doesn't actually really touch upon that yeah just kind of they fuck it up to about yeah they forget about like the legitimate issues that would you know that Superman kind of caused for himself among like for his public image so like first off Lex Luthor doesn't have to do that and secondly the thing like Lex Luthor could have really capitalized on that he could have really done something to like kind of get people up in arms about what happened like how Superman handled the metropolis incident he doesn't do it is like it would have been a really good idea for him to do it he just doesn't do it because imagine you wrote Bruce like Lex went to Bruce because they're both the most richest people in the respective cities or whatever and he was like we need to create a campaign to warn people of Superman and what he's done and so that like the bruised side on the Batman side both have like an antagonism towards Superman I think that would be pretty neat as well but I've seen this movie three times and when he says to me he wants to prove he's better than Superman by or more powerful or whatever than Superman by making him hated by everyone I should be like I don't even I just thought he wanted to kill him I got I've got several references for proof that Lex is looking to kill Superman I haven't got much in terms of Lex wants to prove he's better than him which by the way lame yeah they need to see the fraud you are with their eyes again this lines up in terms of he hates God because he didn't save him from his dad's fist and so now he sees like that appreciation of a godlike figure in Superman so he's like no everyone you need to understand this guy's sucks look how bad he is but Superman and became god so Superman didn't save him from being beaten so he's well God didn't he's like he's like projecting that onto Superman's power I guess but that's dumb well yeah but I was gonna say at least I guess there's a through line there rather than he wants to be better than something I guess if it honestly feels like he's torn pieces of Lex from other iterations and he's trying to be like see that's what they're doing here too super glued I don't think they are the blood on your hands this is what Lex Luthor really wants and the events of the movie revolved around his plan to get it I don't hate the sinner I hate the sin and you're what the fuck does that have to do with anything yeah I was actually about to be like he just hates the gays all right I don't like this or he's just in I don't hate the gays he hates the gay that's true you're right oh man like this is so cobbled together I don't hate the sinner I hate the sin and yours my friend is existing he actually thinks that they're bad for simply existing if his sin is existing then like the way to cure that is you have to make him not exist anymore again his whole plan was to kill him yeah I think combined with a silver bullet comment and the the satisfaction that he knows Batman has the kryptonite meaning he knows Batman can kill him now it's like it seems to me that his motivation is kill Superman because all powerful beings are not all good he concluded him this is amazing this is a film for adults and then you have all those references that go against that motivation but at least you can fucking fish that out of the movie I'd be like look I found it it's Lex's motivation guys there I knew I'm not insane Luther's plan none of this makes any sense what was like I agree it doesn't make any fucking sense you hope so this is I guess we'll go back and repeat a little bit on this if let the six of us put our brains together we've got a big hunk of kryptonite all right well a plant plan a my idea we just need a lure Superman here once we've sharpened at least our goal is to kill Superman yes goal is to kill Superman so yeah just get him here we'll fashion some of this into a nice shop as soon as he gets in range of it he's fallen over we'll move it toward him so he starts like vomiting whatever and then we could just drop it onto his head he'll probably crush his skull but at the same time stab him again and again and again until he just dies that's plan a plan B I suppose would be to try and provide the kryptonite to the local vigilante you fucking hate Superman and try and get them to fight and hope that the vigilante wins it's a bit weaker as a plan I'd say but I suppose it could work plan plan oh if we had a bunch of money willingly plan C by the way we will we will create a Rokai with our own blood in the hopes that it kills Superman okay sure I feel like if you gave a really if you give a lot of money to some super trained killers who had all this equipment stuff and you had a bunch of money to help them you know you gave him the kryptonite they'd be able to do it they should get deadshot should give him bullets and then you can kill Superman there you go question I another potential plan does Lex Luthor have all the kryptonite by the time he sets off the bomb in the capital does he have it by that point yes because Batman takes the kryptonite after the capital bombing we see that okay so he could have done a krypton bomb there bomb like yeah yeah what's the word oh yeah bomb yeah Superman is gonna be there yeah it would kill him and probably maybe not everyone else depending on how much of a bomb it is you know and he's a big old hit Superman he had a big old hunk of that kryptonite and all we got out of it was three gas grenades in a spear and the gas grenades don't even like consistently work like they they enter him for a second and then he it it just wears off like why would it wear off it should be like destroying your lungs yeah that shit would go into his blood and you'd be like yeah well it when Batman uses it against Superman he is out of commission for a while Batman doesn't take advantage of this mysteriously but yeah he's he's so weak that a regular guy could go toe to toe with him why a kryptonite spear rather than like a blade that pops out of Batman's gauntlet as rich haven suggested why not kryptonite brass knuckles why not like you liquefy some of the kryptonite and you like dunk your big metal bat suit in that so yeah we kind of just jump to a different criticism of Batman's adaptitude when trying to kill Superman good God it's all in the same universe it's all it's all fair it bugs me as well that Batman's supposed to be intelligent and seasoned veterans like no he's not do you remember when you don't know we will get into that at the time we should probably let it so yeah that that is what we lined up with several things Lex could have done and he does like a whole combo of all them all over the place while also seemingly looking to get any result like the hence why we're talking about the chaos thing doesn't seem to actually but let's let's see what he says I suppose wait also we could give Harley Quinn a kryptonite bat that would actually be unstoppable Lex's plan is more complicated than the Luther's of the past with many threads leading to many outcomes and wind conditions oh boy name three it's a very complex plan let's hear it Lex ensures that he always has just one more trick up his sleeve he loses until the end when he's loses he literally loses wait so we had one trick up his sleeve though I guess so and the trick was assuming we don't count the original thing as the thing well that's just doomsday a trick up a sleeve I think so yeah I think that's what he's saying right now doomsday was this backup plan he may have planned thing from the beginning or he may be adjusting his plan as if there's no way you could have planned for this they have planned it from the beginning with all of these variables that are all over the fucking place sure that make no sense either way his plan is working behind the scenes of every event I'll map it out as I go to make it easier to see how it all ties together destroy Superman that's the main goal at least we thought he didn't I thought he didn't want to destroy Superman well he defines destroyer gas is proving that he's better than Superman oh I'm guessing I don't know if he actually because my thing was I thought we wanted to kill him like and yeah yeah Lex Luthor's Superman or possibly to control his power and at the very least to ruin his reputation controls why would he want to control Superman's power that wouldn't do anything from his perspective you're like like I'm guessing you're asking like does he want him to kill particular people does he want him to do particular things like yeah like what is yeah why I thought because it's pretty clear he wants to destroy Superman because Superman's sin is existing so how would controlling him like change that his first step toward his main goal of killing Superman is to research possible methods of doing so the first and most obvious method is the kryptonite he discovers at the wreck of the world engine in the Indian Ocean and by the way what better place is there to look in a quest for power than a crashed alien ship with I guess yeah I agree with this this is back when it makes some sense it's before it all falls apart tonight Lex Luthor situates himself as the one and only Superman deterrent on the planet and why would we want to weaponize this material as a deterrent a silver bullet to keep him reserved to use against the Kryptonians so the day does not come to them when your children are waving daisies at a reviewing stand and I thought that was fair when I first saw it I was like that's fair yeah it's yeah it's like he went just in case Superman's a bad man or other kryptonite people come because that's happened before you got precedent for that we should have weapons to be able to fight them to not rely on Superman it reminds me of when he finds is like you want to steal his kryptonite to destroy it and he's like no to and then you get the sense of like Alfred it's not a bad idea to have a 10 Superman off switch just saying just you know just in case especially because you're a vigilante operating above the law anyway I don't feel like this is really much of a principled step in a well I mean direction you haven't tread down before if one of those things that often happens with Batman like in terms of Justice League is that he has it like that he has sort of a silver bullet for all of them because it's like well obviously yeah you're all incredibly powerful you know what if you will go evil like it's worth it's worth it you know why wouldn't she have a silver bullet this could give him a great deal of love there's like an animated movie where I think one of them says to Batman like we wouldn't do this to you and Batman's like then you're damn fools yeah so like that's that's what Batman does he has he's always prepped yeah no they're not a movie from what I understand like the plot is basically that his secret plan to get rid of all the Justice League members gets somebody steals it and uses it against the league and they're really mad at him they're like why did you do this it's like dude like if the Justice League was out of control like if you guys don't see that that could be a problem and it's like I don't want to be part of this team it's like yeah that sounds like something Batman would do someone said it's like it's a doubt is all about that like oh don't don't reference suicide squad at all just don't okay we don't have to talk about that yet we don't have to Suicide Squad will have its day gentlemen yeah it's like it's a downside that could happen where someone finds out the ways to kill all the Justice League members and it gets into the wrong hands but I feel like that's a downside that's worth existing given how powerful the Justice League members are yeah so hey this is pretty easy to follow right now goal destroy Superman option use kryptonite yay leverage affairs in the name of public safety should the cleverly manufactured need arise and leverage over super if Lex can hurt Superman then he can threaten and manipulate him directly the second and much less obvious method of killing Superman is hinted at in the scenes with Diana Prince and the other justice yeah definitely less obvious wait he's he's suggesting the reason that Lex found these people is in hopes of using them to kill Superman wouldn't they be more people you'd be threatened by yeah especially to kill Wonder Woman yeah that's gonna want to kill these people that's what I thought that's what the implication that's where I was going with it basically like he wants to find people with the power to take out someone he thinks there's too much power okay I feel like it takes a can down I mean yeah exactly if you're powerful enough to kill Superman then you are better than Superman which means you're more powerful and dangerous the same problem with doomsday ah doomsday can kill you it's like but then we have doomsday yeah you fucking morons like no I'm the smartest person and you fear me yeah you just don't understand my plan because you're a big dummy what would cyborg do you would you would hack Superman you type buttons everyone thought were irrelevant to the rest of the movie and we're only there are relevant to the rest of the movie they are yeah don't even go there because they were shoehorned into the film by the studio to introduce future dceu characters that is explicitly what I fucking are I don't even know why you try this with the reasons for ones those scenes with the other heroes we're just a horned into the film by the studio wait he made a graph for three things wait does he think that's it for holy shit I didn't even just register that oh yeah it's don't we're on the next thing that what so the problem I can't believe this is this was a reality so the problem with with Lex right is if we create our graph there would be about eight points and three of them would line up and then a different for might line up and then a selection of two on either side might line up with different ends and golden but together it's a fucking disaster and if you cherry pick the points you can make a solid Lex Luthor from this film but that's not what's in the film yeah sorry have to really really mix and match here but maybe maybe there's more to it because that graph had a lot of space maybe he'll come back to it maybe maybe we're just waiting for him to get we can only yeah you gotta go and chat saying why not why not shove kryptonite jolly ranchers in the Superman's now imagine he like has to poop back out before you can get back to full stop I'll be back to normal in a couple days it's green apple man as someone said do you agree with the idea that those trailers don't say the story at all I'd be like yes I don't think they add to the story in any way shape or form they simply to give you hype coming movies you can literally it's only part of the story because they existed describing the story they would be in the description of the story but that's just because they exist at the end making me a Kryptonian almond joy lace lace some crystal meth with kryptonite feed it to a bearish and the bear after Superman yeah crypto they don't serve the story at all contrary to popular opinion there is actually a plot reason for these scenes go right ahead if you're gonna if you're gonna I bet he's gonna say they're gonna set up sequels what I'm so he's gonna that would be the argument I hope he does better know it to show this video it doesn't Lex was looking into other superheroes perhaps to dissect and analyze them in his quest for power or perhaps to kill them for the same reason thank you for saying that you have no idea why these are on screen that you just can pray perhaps yeah he already starts off with perhaps like oh so you don't know yeah perhaps or maybe who knows the reason maybe the equivalent is like the camera sort of just goes to the left and there's just this boot and then it carries on the story and it's never over again I'm like well that boot might be important in future movies you can't really say that that could be dark side could be dark sides boot he took on human form using magic from space on boot form he turned into a boot that he's sitting there unassumably watching it's all unfolded and then perhaps shift the eyes of the boot like they zoom in this is shifty eyes looking around like well no it'd be shifty shoe lices and then when they go to sleep like the top of the boot separates from the soul and he starts laughing maniacally well general Zod he was a boot but Superman took a soul from it someone just had a great example so Madalorian season one episode five when the dude walks up to the yep be like well that added nothing except baiting future so you go well no it could be future shit anything that's what I just said it's baiting future shit like well no it could mean a lot it could mean a lot so it's baiting future shit I really like the idea of general boots and Superman takes his soul and then they fight each other maybe when he lasers the ship his soul gets ripped off of his you know the bottom that's a comic book you've taken my soul I just want to take yeah I wanted labs but I got none so I'm gonna go into the corner make a dick joke and you'll be right he wants to kill more likely than not these exceptional beings live among us you don't have to use a silver bullet but if you forge one we don't have to depend upon the kindness of monsters given that I mean that silver bullet wouldn't work on any of those others so I don't know well you know at least it's a star well I guess if you stabbed yeah I guess if you stabbed flash with it he'd die I guess with Wonder Woman with it I guess but you could just shoot Wonder Woman yeah just get the dreamstone and wish her powers away and then well do you guys find it staggering that his information on Wonder Woman is dead Pringy it's not a two-step process when you can make wishes I just wish yeah you're overcomplicating wait what would have Lex have wished for I guess he would he would he not be alive at that point he would have wished Superman dead what is dad would have wished that he could have beaten beating his son for longer no I sure love beating my son I wish I could be my son forever I wish there were more hours in the day to beat my son I wish there were eight days in a week staggering that is a sunbathing day particularly that Lex Luthor is as as old as Jesse Eisenberg Jesse Eisenberg was born in 1983 oh I guess he'd be a one-year-old making a wish yeah I mean could a one-year-old make a wish half hazardly I mean the thing you don't have to speak it right you can that's true you just think of all of the wishes but it would probably laying like I wish I had some food oh I wish I had some jolly ranchers did all the two-year-olds choked out wish or when they're watching the TV and nice 94 today or announced their wish as well I'm sure they did I mean everyone saw the truth I can't everybody in the world did that that's that movie so yeah it's one highlight I guess that isn't interesting with Lex's capabilities all he's got in the Wonder Woman folder is when she went up to like a random yes like like I'm really sure where she is she's on camera and she looks at it it's like that's all you got wasn't it like an ATM or something oh it might have been yeah I'm getting mixed up so I was thinking about the picture he showed with her getting out of the car and I was like wait was it what was it whatever he's got imagery of her this is like wouldn't wouldn't have like shit tons on her like imagine the information that's available with all the stuff that she's been doing I mean she destroyed all the cameras though and she destroyed the camera Lex possesses man's photograph we can assume he has leverage on all of these heroes but no what leverage oh no it just that he knows about them leverage there is no reason there is no reason to assume that he has only means that he was aware of their existence this is just fanfiction at this point well yeah so I mean there's nothing we could do with this and laugh at it which is like yep like whatever you want to story to me bud eventually pits Batman against Superman it's very likely that he was looking into as many superpower beings as he could to find candidates for killing Superman again and he said I don't know man very small problems for his motivation but sure if he were to manipulate the ideas of them to we came back to the ground one of these other heroes in the fighting the possible outcomes would include either the death of the hero which would make Superman a disgraced murderer or the death of it wouldn't you already did this with Zod why just because he lost that he wouldn't when Superman died he became like a hero and he had got his own grave and everyone was super they had the big sad that he was dead it's not the case that there is a dichotomy either Superman dies which is good for Lex which it isn't because now means he's got an even bigger problem to deal with yep or he wins and that ruins his legacies like dude Superman kills people in this universe killed civilians why would it matter if he killed a rogue superhero and also Lex Luthor if he's supposed to be super concerned about his image what is his image going to be when people find out that he killed Superman that's gone crazy with like the branding of criminals and shit let's pretend that he captures Wonder Woman's entire family there's thousands of them they're on a big warehouse with it it's all TNT in there he's like I'll blow it if you don't kill Superman she goes okay and she runs off to just attack Superman let's pretend for a second she has a kryptonite sword chops his fucking head off and then Lex is like either lets them go or doesn't do you really think that's not gonna come out eventually that like ruins your image entirely Batman already knows it Lex had all of the shit stolen by Wonder Woman and copied over to Batman everyone knows about this now like you can't win amazing but it makes total sense it falls apart in so many ways because Lex isn't really much of anything he's just this weird collection of notions is the weird quirky me the Superman that's not to say these scenes definitely weren't a studio to win to shoehorn the character reveals in no that's just what they are that is just what they are yeah that is what they are and by the way it's okay yeah I don't if that's what it is it's fine it was an amusing scene because we could all make memes out of it we're like oh here we go it's Flush yeah they're doing the thing in the food apparently Lex named he named Wonder Woman so that's neat yeah that's cool this like Captain Marvel naming the Avengers in a way you know that's what you want they very were but the writers handled it in a way that adds a little bit of depth to Lex Luthor's care I like the CG I like the CGI mouse on the screen where it clearly isn't an actual mouse movement it's it's like a CGI nice smooth clean cursor that's sliding across the screen it always bugs me when they just when they have screens and they just don't mock something up on an actual screen and film it because if it was one of our touch pad it would be going across the screen it wouldn't be going like really smooth directly to wherever she needs to go character in actions so they shouldn't be written off completely back to the kryptonite now that Lex has it he could smuggle it into the country on his own but he uses it as an opportunity to ingratiate himself with certain members of Congress now Rocky is radioactive but what he needs from you is an import license the ability to destroy Superman would be much more valuable with the American government backing him it would also make the government reliant on him for at this point if you're Lex Luthor I don't feel like you need the government at all to do this nope and I feel like all they would do is kind of get in the way of you in your schemes and they would want it for themselves and then they would know about it so they could know you could never be secretive about it after this point spots also strange because this guy I'm not sure what his rank or whatever is but he's like fully convinced that this is great and so he's like I'll give you everything you want it's just like wait you have the power to do that you have the power to hand over Zod's body and the ship with full control to Lex Luthor CEO of random company like you can do that guy but at the same time he can't let him have that import she blocks it in Congress it's like right because you could block Zod the alien corpse being provided to a random CEO that's not something you could block but you could block the import of a rock I don't know Kryptonian can I call you do you can call me whatever you like take a bucket of piss and call it granny's peach tea oh they pay that off so well what a great way off it's so smart and call it deterrent you won't follow fly or me I'm not gonna drink it that one line about granny's peach tea is really weird what's the deal what do we just say I don't give a fuck only there so it could be in a jar at the end that's all that's the only reason why it's there the meme is you can't fool me and then he fools her that's it good job how do you get that I don't know right I do not know that desk I don't know why she didn't notice the fucking jar of piss on her desk when she got there that stuff smells like well it smells like piss smells like yeah yeah it's a strong smell generally it's a really weird scene as well as if any of you watch it again God forbid she's like telling she's doing a speech and then she just keeps like stuttering a speech and looking at the jar and then looking away then looking at it looking away then looking at it again then looking like oh no and then she spins it and she's like Otto gratties peach tea it's a weird scene it's a play on the expression don't worry about my leg and tell me it's is it's a play on the expression to pee on my leg no it wouldn't be his no there's no way he would use his own pee because just in case the bomb doesn't work then it would be his pee in the jar that would link it back to him he had to get someone else's that was a lot of some unpaid intern that was a lot of pee like that was a full that was a lot of maybe maybe it's like several pigs you know the idea that Lex Luthor had a jug and just pissed into the couple of days it wasn't he oh it was old pee was he wait someone in chat was he like waiting for him to look at it before blowing up Congress like he was he needed it to know and this isn't even like what's the purpose of him leaving it there based on what she said like if her whole point was like I'm not gonna fall for your attempts at getting us to let you bring soup I'll be kryptonite in so that means she basically tells him like it's clear you want to kill Superman it's not that you want to have something to defend us against him so I'm gonna block you that's like the subtext if you will and so she says you can't fool me that that's what you want it's clear that you just want to kill him and so then he's like I can fool you and blows her up yeah because I think that's my confusion was fooling yeah it's not fooling someone to just be like I put a bomb in a room you're gonna be in and I blew it up that's not like that's fooling someone really land purpose just asked a really good question what is DNA be all over the crime scene before like sleuthers piss is all over the crime scene it's everywhere Superman was covered in like sleuthers a weird situation but possible as watching Judge Judy used to say to me don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining okay so I get really annoyed because he said before oh this is one of the most common expressions ever it's like okay so I don't know what to tell you but when you say don't piss in the bucket and call it granny's peach tea how would immediately connect that to pissing on my leg and saying it's raining because it involves urine yes oh so because you say anything with urine I should be able to connect it well I don't know why don't you just say don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining I don't know yeah but like a very difficult visual to pull up later in the movie yeah that was like standing in the vent above the the office it's just out of the bed on the way really quickly you could just hear it but this is going it's raining totally raining the sprinkler system turns on in Congress and it's just a bunch of yeah um so yeah I guess what I saw it I was like oh I get what she's saying but holy fuck was that clunky and awkward like that pisses about if it was a regular saying then not everyone would have a problem with it I feel like it feeds into itself again I think most people have the reaction of that was weird and I don't know why you couldn't have seen that coming like if if it was in my script I'd be like it's probably not going to go over that well the whole the whole peach tea piss thing yeah so you didn't have to defend this like you know you can pick your battles yeah it's not a critique anyway it's just one level if you're defending a film like this die on every hill that defend the piss the writers used her as an inspiration for this character you know to convince Congress that an anti-cryptonian weapon might be necessary like many factors the situation in the Middle East okay he's right that's a disaster time to talk about it though when rewatching this film I discovered a little bit of a confusion when I was really thinking about this opening scene everyone probably knows it real well this opening scene you got quite a few factions you find out lowest went here like gung-ho she did not like get put in through the daily planet she went there rogue at least that's what I'm Martian manhunter chastises it for he's like you went there like unprovoked because you're a you're a crazy reckless greedy journalist like so it's like okay no reason I'm setting this up is because as we talked about before when you need to know why everybody's here what everyone's capable of whatever what's goals are so like Lois wants to go out there to interview a rebel leader because of a local civil war this I think it's just she's there for a story and that's it okay simultaneously unbeknownst to her the CIA are monitoring the situation and they're sending in an agent under the alias of Jimmy Olsen I guess to pretend to be a photographer okay like she's expecting someone else but he replaces that guy I guess and he's with the CIA it's like right at the same time Lex Luthor's security like private security firm have made a deal with this local guy in this war to be his security and like I was just thinking about this and I was like I don't know what order all of this shit happened so like his Lex wanted all this to like the reason he's setting all this up is to make Superman look bad right so obviously he knows that like this all comes at the core that Lois is gonna be there because that'll bring Superman there everyone knows that's how that works that's just a constant that wherever she goes and she's in trouble he'll come and like yeah I wish I was joking but they they treat this like we know this is just a truth like that the characters like here he comes like I'll put a gun on Lois's head and Superman just suddenly has a timer and he's gonna be there soon so fucking odd but like I think that's a flaw but we're just gonna grant it for now so what came first Lex organizing his security film to be with these guys or pushing her to on her own decide to go out there and try and interview this guy because like um like her decision to go and do that right if she did it on her own then he has a limited amount of time to set up a deal with the local Civil War leader to add a security detail to him you know what I mean like that seems that has to be yeah and like how do you know that that's what she's gonna do if she's not doing it in conjunction with the daily planet what is he just watching her at all times and he's like oh she's planning on doing this thing if I get my men to make a deal with that guy to be in that place when that interview takes place I can then have them all kill the people there with my experimental new tech to test it out but simultaneously have them burn all of the bodies to make it look as though Superman did it when he inevitably comes in to save the day because lowest is life will be threatened and all of this is under the assumption that people like people will think that this is Superman's fault when it clearly isn't like none of this matches to me this is all insane and it all relies on it all doesn't make any sense is all very large variables for example Jimmy Olsen's CIA I guess handlers are not that far away and their initial plan when they find out he's shot is to go in there extract Lois and basically kill all the people there by the looks things they're obviously taking their guns but then their bosses say no stay back we're just gonna bomb the whole place okay okay like I'm assuming there would have been procedure for this like they would have known it's like oh if Jimmy Olsen's executed we blow it up if he's not you know I mean but like they hate each other these two groups the flip mark why would Jimmy Olsen tell him that well not Jimmy Jimmy Olsen to get to say much of anything he's just he gets killed I'm saying like the there's a group well I'm like if he was discovered well what do you mean what would he say why would he say what like he would say if you kill me they're gonna blow up the compound oh yeah I think I think that's fair as well I everything to do Jimmy Olsen doesn't make sense either they decide it's a tracker is what they pull out by the way and it beeps like it makes a fucking noise which is hilarious um it's in his camera you'd think like well put it in the soul of his shoe or even in his sock anywhere that like is more likely to swallow it yeah I would actually be a better choice yeah I'm assuming it's resistant instead of there are cuz they're gonna be super skittish about having photos taken they're probably not gonna let you keep your camera almost certainly they're not gonna let you keep your camera but they're gonna take the film out they're gonna open it up there's a miracle in that they let him keep his camera but then he decides I'm gonna start pretending to take photos you're like why would you do that you're drawing attention to your camera that has your tracker at it you fucking idiot and then of course they find it and then he's like I'm here to you know suggest to an agreement of some kind and then they just execute him it's like why would you do that you should keep everyone's bright everyone's amazingly smart in this universe if you if you keep him for ransom or even to interrogate that is way more useful than simply executed because they talk about in the beginning of the conversation Lois is like who are these security guards so you you know you you working with someone to blah blah blah then he's like his response to Lois is like oh yeah who's sending the drones at night like he's a he's aware that America is potentially drone striking him and he's like I'm gonna execute a CIA agent right now you're like what like what do you think is gonna happen I know the same like oh someone from the CIA wants to arrange something for us is like well that's better than missling us in the night so yeah that sounds like something we should explore and yeah you're dead Jimmy gives away that he's CIA as well he doesn't even pretend for a second that there could be any kind of misunderstanding and if that's protocol why the fuck wouldn't he say like do not kill me you will die all of you will fucking die I swear yeah like they're watching us right now this is all being monitored from like satellites and drones high up in the atmosphere and they got missiles ready and if I'm dead then yeah they're just gonna blow up the whole compound and then like he's pissed at Lois the terrorist leader guide he's like I'm gonna take you into a different room and interrogate you I guess because he says something like ignorance and innocence aren't the same thing meaning that being ignorant of the CIA agent doesn't make her innocent it's like okay um then of course he has gunfire because all of his security detail from Lex Luther execute everybody like right and they that involves shooting people dropping grenades and then flamethrowering them and apparently this is the way of making it look like Superman did it but but they would have known that all those bodies were killed by bullets I mean we all know that Superman can shoot bullets out of his eyes so it's okay well when they drop a grenade yeah Superman decided to shoot people with all of these guns this would be a forensic person would have a fucking field day with this is like wait why is there a grenade that's got off inside a tank did super bad grab a grenade drop it inside a tank what well we all know when you burn bodies it means that all of the shrapnel inside of them and all of their other wounds and all the bullets in them it disappears yeah destroys the entire thing all of it yes it's it's strange it's like since when does Superman need to use guns like there are superheroes like spider-man for instance where you can sort of see them using a gun you know in certain situations but Superman like why does why would he ever need to use a gun and then yeah well and and of course when Superman kills people with his laser it does not look like what they see at all it doesn't look like someone's been set on fire that's not what it does they would get cut in half yeah have like a big hole burnt through their body so none of that is in any way possible to believe that Superman did it nobody would ever believe that with any rational thought but then bonus round is that Lois can confirm that it wasn't him he can confirm that it wasn't him the bullets in the area can confirm that it wasn't him and they're like ah lucky for me a random bullet hit my book and I can pry it out what yeah absolutely crazy and you find out all of these variables by the way all these different things could have happened the CIA could have attacked quicker and thus the security detail wouldn't have been able to escape Superman could have got there instantly and killed all of the security detail neither of them could have shown us because he Lois dies yeah cause Lex knows cause Lex is confident if he pushes a woman off a skyscraper then before she can hit the ground Superman will be there and so the second right that they reveal the CIA agent shouldn't superman be like oh Lois is distressed newbie over none of it works it's all relying on crazy variables they're super lucky and then after rely on everyone being really stupid and I guess it's fair to say by the way the woman who lies the idea is the she says like my my family were killed by Americans choosing to like attack this side of the rebel war thanks to you know the the CIA agent dying and stuff and so she's simultaneously criticizing Superman for coming down and killing everyone and then America choosing to swipe through other areas and kill everyone's like how could you how could you do this um but she says she didn't tell the whole truth and what she tells Holly Hunter is that um her parents are alive and well and that they told her to rehearse a script and read it out in the Capitol building or whatever it's like wait her parents are alive well but what's she doing there well it also feels as though like wait so her plan like her speech all of it means nothing the second that someone goes oh her parents are alive by the way yeah this is obviously not true she this whole things of fabrication she's clearly lying and it gets even as if we needed to even get to this point and it gets even worse because like the Russian guy clearly decides that uh they can't live the people who know this truth and I'm possibly willing to tell it and so they decide an arbitrary amount of time later that they will kill the people who gave this testimony not suspicious at all by the way no and but not effective like if you're gonna do it it would be right after they do it right it wouldn't be hmm couple days probably a couple days before they do it well um if they I don't even I don't know why you do any of this so fucking dumb like I'm trying to make sense of it I'm trying to make my brainpower worked for this movie but it's not possible and then of course she's thrown onto a train and Russian guy doesn't get in any kind of trouble for that when he's surrounded by civilians so all of this completely broken and it's weird because I think when you first watch the film you don't even know what the idea of this is you're watching the scene like what is what are we trying to say is happening here like Superman did it it's like we'll know that that wouldn't be it because I think that's what happens in the movie's vision we're all like we'll know like that copy of the story because that obviously no and that's what it's all in service of is framing Superman for this which is bizarre and it doesn't work this is a plot that really only works with the Punisher oh yeah yeah you could I mean it still needs fixing right but like I see what you mean oh yeah so yeah I guess the reason I just brought all that up is the if that's in any way Lex's plan this all fell apart several times before it could possibly be used for anything beneficial to Lex that's the well it should have anyways yeah to cast Superman using Lois's bait which reveals that he knew Superman's true identity let the record committee hold oh also I think we forgot to mention didn't they use bullets that were like specially manufactured by like Lex Corp or something like that yes because why reason of why well I get big can be no saber that but that's what it's that's bring up as the Kaby don't say we're dark it's made I come I remember I need to rewatch it to find the specific references because it like the plot line sort of fades away the bullet plot line like they established that it's made of the same material as possibly like he says the main to the same material as like the something to do with a wheelchair I remember it's the girl who's inspecting it the girl who says the stupid line when she's like the fact that Lois finds it shocking that they would test how effective live ammo would be on live subjects on live subjects it's it's it makes her a good journalist that that shocks her it's like what why would you think a she's a good person that is I don't even think that covers that does it like a good person would be aware of bad people doing bad things well it's it's saying that she's a good person because that sort of thing shocks her though she should know person pure person maybe Oh for I mean the fact that I mean shocked in that well I guess it depends on how shocked is being used is it being used as and you're appalled of it or that you're surprised by it let's put it this way I guess like if if she's been doing work for like 20 years and Batman's been branding that whole time and then it's only the recent branding he does that you go Oh my God he branded someone it's hard thing someone goes that's what makes you a good journalist that this stuff still is you're behind the news yeah that's what it is like wait wouldn't I make you a badge okay hard to follow yeah I think we were using different yeah definitions of the word they used the more baffling part is that when she's discovering this she basically sells it to Perry as like so a bullet that's not sold anywhere in the world she says not even the black market is being was was used in this area and this area that they're trying to frame Superman for having done something horrible like this is major important news and he looks at a bullet and goes she says it hasn't been identified and goes it's a bullet and it's just like you're the you're the editor-in-chief really why didn't they just buy just like bullets from just a place that couldn't be tracked anywhere really buy from products of the film to happen just regular bullets yeah I don't need yeah because it's she finds out through Martian manhunter that it's Lex tech by the way and so it's like which is good you want to send out your men with special bullets that link then back to you when all you had to do with all of your money was just going buy some bullets someplace and I guess with us now as well that when they're discussing this story this is just after clock said like why can't I cover this bad person who's doing vigilante tisms in this in this city and the response from Perry is oh there's crime in Gotham shocking like I that's like saying oh there's corruption in the government ooh shocking what's the cover well I mean fundamental it's like they cover high school sports games the guy that's you calls around and brands they were they were fixed like because again clock has no idea who Batman is neither does the team and he's been doing this for 20 years and they referred to like how Gotham police are sympathetic to Batman like this the city that's like less than a mile away from you the fuck like apparently if you're living in a city that's adjacent to Chicago or Detroit and some guy starts running around in a bat suit at a branding people you wouldn't give a shit about that well there's there's some really this is this is comment from clock to him by an explanation for this he says that I'm like he's doing these things in poorer areas of Gotham and so like clock says what is it cause poor people won't buy papers like the implication being if you were to cover the story of the Batman doing all kinds of crazy shit in Gotham no one's going to be buying that paper except the people in those poor areas of Gotham which means no sales so what's the point covering it in the first place which is the most absurd for it's if something happens in a poor area of a place that no rich people would find it interesting it's like that's interesting what if an alien land did it in a like old Kent road Oh an alien landed in the drop lands in Baltimore nobody cares about that I guess that's why Superman was so willing to give out that he that he's from Kansas like no one's going to care about an alien Kansas um man of steel so I I couldn't find a reference to him being retired like um I was looking out for it I know that but um I would also say that defense doesn't really work for this because if you had Batman for however many years and then he disappears for however many years and then a guy dressed as a bat starts crime fighting you not gonna go go who the fuck is that who could pass who could be who is that no probably Batman back yeah uh yeah and like they all just treat it like no one would care about this story of a man dressed as a bat branding criminals and providing them to the police like that's well amazing whoa isn't Batman already established as a hero so wouldn't him started to brand people not be a big deal it would be a very big deal if he was established to be a hero huge deal and now he's branding people that's a super hero that's killing in prison was funny of the brand specifically what's funny is the film shits on itself because Clark starts reading articles about how he's branding people so clearly this coverage of this and people are interested in there's there's political cartoons of a police officer swinging a baseball bat that looks like the bat signal at a criminal yeah with the caption batter up yeah like there's there's some sort of political satire over Gotham police siding with this vigilante so this is a big deal it's a huge universe and it's like on the prisoner that got branded recently and the person he's talking to just goes no I can't give that out and walks away and then the person next to him after he says he's a reporter just walks away from him it's like hey that's not so bad like the idea of the G.C.P.D. are like we like Batman fuck you so like not not to say that they're right just that's that's good and one of them has to nod to him about in terms of this case which is where like you have moments of good and just fucking flatlines the the wife of the person that he wants to speak to or learn about is right behind him and the police officer's like that's the girl that Clark's like oh that's that's a coincidence who I'll talk to her okay excellent things just sort of work out in this world sometimes anyway yeah I guess we'll let him carry on this this is a rement by like some of it some of it sneaked by you know as we were watching it which happens factures the situation in the middle east to cast suspicion on Superman using Lois his bait which reveals that he knew Superman's true identity that also doesn't reveal you know Superman's true identity because they were broadcast quite heavily to the point was Zod knew that those two out of connection as Superman and Lois not Clark and Lois yeah she wrote a famous story about how she met the alien yeah this is that Lex knows that Lois is close to Superman did this guy even watch man a deal I'd say the evidence that Lex knows who Superman is is that he invites Clark specifically to his party that's how Clark gets to that party is the Perry is like for some reason this guy wants you to calm I guess he likes nerds like that's his line it's a really good line it's her show that this committee holds him responsible this incident is also a step toward ruining Superman's reputation as a sell use kryptonite frame Superman for government support create weapon kill him it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a feel like this graph is already falling upon anyway but we'll we'll we'll let it exist this hero by forcing him into a situation that's much more complicated than rescuing flood victims and recovering battleships from from the Arctic this exacerbates Superman's negative media coverage and pushes Lex Luthor's untrustworthy alien things sorry he's not doing the right good things or is what the issue is that people are mad well he said that like a like the incident in the beginning of the film is one of many that helped to create suspicion for Superman whether or not he's a Goodman and of course um they argue that he might have been involved he didn't stop the bomb but then of course this revealed we didn't know the bomb was there well yeah it all of this relies on people being idiots again there was one thing I liked about that um and it's one line from Clark where he says uh he didn't see a bomb but um he's he thinks that it might be because he wasn't looking and like he's he's he's reflecting on the fact that he he's just he's losing his like I guess interest in trying to help people good it'd be pretty neat for him to have to introspect about the fact that he may have missed a bomb that he could have found had he been looking for it um yeah but Lois reveals to him that the bomb was well I don't even know if we have the moment on screen where she actually tells him but she's obviously told that it was laced with lead so he couldn't see it oh yeah I don't know if he ever learns wait was this just confirmed with Zach or something apparently I yeah uh Justice League the massive cliffhanger ending well they were supposed to be they were supposed to be a part two right remember guys there was there was Justice League part two thought it's gonna be not awful yeah it's just a server and they're not mentioned metallo is metallo what the cliffhanger is what's metallo I'm assuming it's a DC thing oh yeah I assume it's like a Scotsman who doesn't know where his tall is his processed animal family and so he's like oh metallo where is our I think he's like a giant robot like he's referenced in the iron giant I think for that hmm if Zack Snyder's Justice League is a four hour movie that doesn't even end exclusively I'm gonna be very mad I'm gonna fuck that shit I'm not gonna be mad I'm gonna be laughing it's gonna be the Snyder noise they're gonna be mad we're gonna have more Snyder cuts but it's they're gonna think it's actual release is it why would they be mad they would be like oh this is proof that Zyder needs he needs to make more yeah but like it's deep I don't they're not gonna make another though I don't think they're gonna make it unless this makes so much money like I just no way I don't I mean a part of me feels like we're just we're just tempting fate like they're they're not gonna make another Justice League with my point is we see this now we see that now but I mean yeah I don't know I feel like they almost did this to be like all right leave us alone now we're fucking moving on we're not doing this again is Lex Luthor's untrustworthy alien narrative why does anyone yes I mean if you felt that explained something then fair enough I don't believe that superman is responsible shooting a terrorist Superman doesn't use guns about it's not even it's it's the fact that the bullets would have killed them and thus why would he have shot them when he's Superman that wouldn't make sense yeah he's Superman why would he do that he's never used it before and then if you wanted to believe for even a second that yo yeah they were burned so it must have been his lasers like so why do you shoot the first in a pile he piled all of them up into a pile and then burned them using like gasoline it's like why someone's subscribing this to me and I'm like so Superman seems like clearly I mean come on I mean if if if I was if I was Superman and I wanted to kill a bunch of people and make no one think that I did it I guess that I would do this I would shoot them and then put them in a pile and then use a flamethrower rather than my powers but I mean it wouldn't make anyone think that I did it that would be the point of me doing it yeah in this movie apparently the point is this will make people think that Superman did it try to cover his tracks and believe it's he was going shooting the terror act normal Superman doesn't use guns or bullets that's what it's what you to think yeah that's super right into his plans not one person in this movie ever accuses Superman of shooting anyone know that I mean not not literally verbally idiot oh my God what are you my God otherwise how oh my God good try oh my God this is like oh my he put this in a video that was good oh my God that that was almost so pathetic like hey I was like why would you oh so I'm pretty sure that the issue is these guys are trying to make it seem like these people have been killed by Superman the problem with this plan is that they shot the people that they're trying to frame Superman for killing and we know that Superman doesn't use no it's not that they're framing Superman fight shooting fuck it's so dumb nobody literally said that he shot them with his guns like oh they only used gunfire as a way to frame him no one said that he this is insane they were trying to flaming them the issue of course involves killing them with guns first that's the problem there's there's a smoking gun that Superman didn't do it and the the writers didn't account for it that's that's what the criticism is was never literally what if Superman shows up and he says that wasn't me I mean obviously it wasn't me I got some how my lasers work well he's going to argue that they didn't actually even investigate how they died so no one would have had to argue that he shot them let's see where he goes it's kind of an issue with the movie this is another one of those things where it's like why did you try to defend this it's like I defend the movie as a whole you're like right okay all right he came down then came fire even worse came after the government attacked yeah so the idea Superman burned them with his lasers it's certainly in that speech the surrounding I guess towns or camps or whatever of the government killed everyone that that was even we had a for me because apparently like I said her parents were alive and well and the government would know if they actually did attack you know surround yeah they'd be like oh your your parents are alive here's they are on this list and they live at such and such I wonder like they they I don't know blackmailed all of her friends too because like for example my parents got killed by Superman and like I've seen them regularly or something so I live close I'd be like oh right right they look okay what are you doing oh my I heard on the news that you were dead they're like yeah I know crazy also would would no investigators find the special Lex Corp bullets from those crime scene as well lowest did because only lowest clever script tonight can melt a woman's job that is point works that nobody accuses superman of shooting bullets they go he's escaped the criticism no villages we don't actually know what congress knows about the incident on which is nuts that I'm I oh my god he actually did that the cia just investigated so they don't know the cia swarm that compound right when Superman saves lowest okay they're all there nation they need they could any one of those bodies they'd be like hey autopsy man how do you die well he was shot to death well why is he a burned corpse I don't know but these burns are not all of bullets these these these burns aren't consistent with a laser they're consistent with a flamethrower huh to Superman throw flames no no I don't remember that all we don't know enough to know that this woman is lying to them about Superman's involvement but they would all he's done is they would if they did any mild tiny little iota of actual investigation and all he's done is highlight also limsy this plan is all it it falls apart if what are the cia guys fucking kicks a corpse and is like oh it looks like kind of fucking got shot I don't know also Ray Day in chat points this out so according to this woman's testimony Superman killed everyone in the village why would the government that attack the village of the dead people I don't they were going to but Superman beat him to it she's she's alleging that the like the cia also committed war crimes like doesn't that kind of muddy the waters of everything of everything of everything because the cia can be like well no we didn't and we've got proof because we've got all this recorded because we've got watching obviously the cia would cover themselves this is so terrible so that they don't know how the terrorists died and besides why would Lex Luthor sent how would they not know how would they know it's a it's a bunch of bodies with bullet holes in them that have been put into a pile and charred it's burned it's like a super emotion to some scene like they play the music and all of the cia agents are looking around to the bodies and you can tell the idea is the cia people like oh god did Superman do this because they're stupid how do you ever and then the cia the central intelligence agency would show up and see all this stuff and go that's fucking weird what what what happened here exactly it was like superman grabbed like an m16 and just mowed them down then dragged them all into a pile and burned them with his very low intensity laser vision until they all caught fire that's so you know y'all you want to slow cook them to get them you know thorough because like in the scene there's all these women who who like appear and they're all like damn you why did this happen in the compound and it's like wait what happening like are you aware of all the then it's like oh well it turns out Lex had all these they're all like actors they've all been threatened to do this it's just like how the fuck do you think any of this was gonna work did anyone ask her specific questions because you wouldn't be able to answer them she's got a script to read mmm it's terrible I guess not this woman had a congress if he had not somehow manipulated the official story to match her is beforehand human how can you do that official story how what how with who with what how through what means he can't even bring kryptonite in like from international waters without getting permission like how does he have the ability to change the CIA's official story in no way you can do that through what means and in what scenes that they don't know how the terrorists died and besides why would Lex Luther send this woman to lie to congress this is not somehow this is the this is the cascating problem that bad writing causes you don't know whether it's an in universe issue or if it's just really shitty writing that you don't you don't know what's accountable like when you have these issue where why didn't the anyone investigate is like well I it's inexplicable it's like I don't know you walked into a room we closed it that we opened it back up and you're just like huge blob monster and it's like why wouldn't you assume that you have the the power to turn into a huge blob monster he's like I I I didn't he's just fucking this just came how is this possible he's like it just happened though that's what like these are these events everybody being incredibly stupid it's all because of lex he paid them all off okay all right I guess the student would yeah I suppose I guess everyone's just dumb and besides why would Lex Luthor send this woman to lie to Congress if he had not somehow manipulated the official story motherfucker he kills her because she's unreliable and she could ruin everything he has her killed but later after Lex has any sense of control over this plan would be ridiculous he's fumbling Lex is like I don't know I just she might tell everybody the truth we better have her killed it's like but say you clearly didn't want her killed at first it's like you I I guess I do now because I'm worried also kill Holly Hunter because she told Holly Hunter the story even though Holly Hunter could have spread this around to everybody by now so it's kind of too late to control it but fuck it whatever yeah I mean we're in too deep gotten away with with with yes sure he's brandy's peach tea to match her as her hand I didn't tell you the truth you don't really need to see how does the rest of covering bullets and incinerating bodies to believe that Lex Luther has the power to change the story to be whatever he wants it to be wow what it wow what what an incredible act of a holiday that is insane discussion right I don't defend every story ever basically whatever you saw however it possibly could have happened. That's what happened Yeah, whatever you saw somebody actually changed it off-screen and without any scenes inexplicably Riding 101 Lex Lex changed everything behind the scenes to match it all. Okay, so you don't need to worry Yeah, it's never mentioned. It's never spoken about there are no scenes to support this He doesn't even have the means to do this as far as we know But he just did it because that's what he has to do in order for this story to even start resembling any sins Brilliant about writing bad writing can't exist. EFAP is giving way too much credit to Congress in the US government in general What do you mean? They're the CIA? We get criticized for we Government is too confident. What are you referring to specifically? What have we said there's out of the bounds of the CIA or the US government, please please tell me Like the CIA shows up in the compound they see all of this stuff Twin perfect is in chat Also check this out You guys are ignoring context so hard to hit on this movie the people who burned the bodies on the ground beyond recognition We're can beyond recognition beyond recognition. You could know the bodies bullets in them Look at that body. You think that's beyond recognition you fucking moron also We can they're controlled by and hired by Lex. I don't care if these people were controlled hired by Lex The CIA come in right after them. They are in this scene. Yeah attention to the movie Yes, the Central Intelligence Agency not only that but if the CIA was going to be framed for this You bet your ass They would be investigating this to prove that they weren't the ones who did it The whole strike force Come on then you and if their way to defend themselves was just to say oh Superman showed up before us and shot them with bullets and grenades and then he piled them into a pile and then used A flamethrower on them to make it look like he did it There's all these bullet holes around the place Hastings probably Into walls Narrative that we're looking to hate it when you you just said It's totally chill because everybody's been paid off throughout all of the agencies Yeah off-screen and without any support of this in the movie it turns out that that's what they did sure writing 101 brilliant Congress is incompetent Yeah, hey, we're not cowardly at all Yeah, I mean dude, I'm so I just like I'd love to talk to you about doomsday and Superman's fight I would love to talk to you about that if you want to jump in I've been here and face our cowardly I don't want to get involved You're already involved The chat Now we're saying that we want to talk to you when you're saying oh well let the video speak for itself It's doing really badly if you've gotten the extra arguments you don't want this video Highlight this this here just put it on screen for everybody just in case anybody missed this All right Type C in chat Why would you say that we're cowardly and that'd be like You said you wanted to just talk about the things in the discord like you wanted I said I am I'm struggling Right Yes, you said that it was recorded offline because we didn't want to talk to you which is untrue But now it is live you're here and we are totally cool. We're talking to you and now you don't want to He wants to let his video speak for himself What Look Lex paid Lex how could you know I Remember he must have done that with in that scene that we didn't see Damn, that's the oh that was in the extended extended cut The junk the Batman v Superman dawn of gray edition John 4 by 3 great Did I love me how many C's are rolling in I don't think it was a cell phone that hard to be like It would be better just pretending that this didn't exist Motherfucker I just like I was so eager by the way that I was really to talk about this fantastic movie But I guess it's not gonna happen now. That's unfortunate like yeah, you should have just like not shown up and said anything This was counterproductive to just all of what you are oh I mean the video For itself. I will say that Yeah, it's It's saying a lot of things it is saying a lot Not the He just said why would I join when you people are calling me pathetic you called us cowardly you call this cowards you asshole The number of times I've seen with online interactions where people forget that they start the insulting first is kind of unbelievable Hey This guy does that he thinks that Batman v Superman is good Hey, so to imperfect We think your video is pathetic if you have any hopes of convincing us otherwise you probably want to talk to us We don't know you at all. I'm not saying you're pathetic, but your video we do know is not great We will we will rescind our statement of calling you pathetic if you come on We will we will do it. I just think this way. I'll take it back. I think I'll take it back. I Mean, I think the video is pathetic His behavior has been pathetic Yeah, there's that too. Yeah, I mean, it's just it's just so interesting like what what's happening right now Your cowards. Hey, do you want to talk? No the video speaks for itself? Like Their audience is 2,000 losers Yeah Like I said, I would have so many things I'd love to talk to you about to imperfect I love to change your mind on so many things because like Like I said first and foremost the Superman doomsday fight you because again, you don't want to join the chat That's fire the discord, but at least you'll be listening to this right now You said like unironically stated this as a as an argument The because doomsday came back down that it would be dumb for Superman to try and put him out into space and that it proves Everyone right that it was stupid to have tried that with Zod in the first film Like do you not even think you could counter that argument? If we gave you a hundred dollars to counter that argument do you think you could do it? I believe in you twin perfect. I think you could do it. You said hold on what My behavior is why I'm here. Let's do it. Does that mean you want to actually talk we says where's the link as you said you didn't So I mean Southboard, do you know what his profile is? Can you link him or I had him or other? I Don't know what his profile is. I've I've told the guy that was in his server to Tell like given my discord tag, but I never got anything although the way to do it, I guess would be if He can find me through If he joins me obviously you can leave the disc with you guys on the e-fab discord or something Yeah, so if he joins yeah with the link in the description if you join my discord And then look on the users you'll find me at the top add me and then I can add you you can delete all of this Imposed don't worry. I wouldn't want to in fact You see it wouldn't be a contradicting narrative in the in the description of her testimony versus What happened because anybody who checked the scene of the crime would have been paid off by Lex That's not true not the CIA The CIA clearly not working for Lex as well. This is like, how did you conclude? I don't even It turns out everyone was just working for the bad guy the whole time Crime he could have just paid them to say there is no such thing as murder anymore at least for Lex Luthor All the money he has yeah, we get a paid off, you know The cost to pay off the judge. There is no such thing Yeah I'm not gonna anything yet Oh Twin perfect remember when you said it was fine the Superman essentially killed himself to kill doomsday because that was the point of the scene That was the point. Yeah did Superman so I think it's funny is that you think about the Superman's head Did he know that he was in a film? He knew that these were just scenes being shot for a movie. I Just I don't so Superman could have kept flying him into space into perpetuity and Once he fell back down to earth It was a terrible idea to lead him into it Could you imagine like if there was a fight going on? I don't know like off the coast of New York And they're on an island and they're okay, and you're like, all right there. Let's let's take him to I don't know Brighton Beach It's it's empty. It's really cold this time of year And it's because you left a spear there instead of just going to get the spear and then I I don't I I still am kind of reeling from that one because like what's the worst that could happen by leaving that he goes somewhere else It's like, yeah Me really actually want to ask him the the the meth bear analogy. I want to see what he would do with that It's well, maybe the bear would have gone to a different campsite true Or it would have stayed in the woods like a bear So many questions I would love to know what movie can't be defended with oh that was the point Everything that makes civil war worse than Batman v Superman. That was the point except it was the point and it was executed well Yeah, civil war is really well written. It's very great. What movies can't be defended with that, please And if there are if there are any problems with the the there are any problems with civil war Then they were just off-screen scenes that you could infer that fix it all so there you go Right anything. Yeah, if anything didn't make sense, but could be explained by someone we haven't paid off That's like such a fucking trope with media defenses. They were paid off Comes up comes up with a lot of stuff, but Yeah, like, you know why was Luke so out of character. It's like well, that was the point He was paid off To be out of character by Lex Luthor. Oh my god multi-verse Oh, yeah, Superman was paid off to snap Zod's neck so that he could get him and put him in the pool and make doomsday Pay for found a date switch cocaine. It died. Oh my god It's my kind of curiosity. He says he's in your discord. I don't know how to proceed Now look at the members list and at the top right you'll see me and then you right click I think add friend and then I should be notified or well I've got my list up so I'll see it and I can add you and then I can add you to the Conversation how epic? Yeah, it's a roster. Oh, well, I'm not gonna say it on stream If he's in the discord then it's yeah, I mean, they'll know probably Oh Now we wait should be fun. So how are you everybody having a good day? Yeah Good here, right everyone said it's like it's probably over 20. Well, now it's probably over 21 Over 21 what amount of people who come on while we're covering them. Oh It's been a bunch. It's been a whole bunch. No, I wouldn't say that there's any molds being broken with this one We'll just toss it on the pile Hello that Are you speaking cuz if not Oh, there we go. All right, how you doing man? There we go. Hey So just I kind of figure out why there's screenshots of my discord showing up over here Well, there's shared Yeah, that you called us did you guys go looking or did you did somebody just drop it on you? Well, someone Someone in Mahler's discord. I guess was in your server as well Saw what was said and shared it there. I guess they thought it was a fair screenshots. Yeah. Yeah Okay, so this thing that was said just some backstory. I don't know. I'm not involved with any of this I don't know what's going on with you guys this is All new to me, but The idea was I was getting information second hand from other people about what you were guys were saying about me I was there for the first one when you were talking about Filmento, I guess it was and I had assumed you would saw me in the chat because there were a bunch of people talking to me And you were responding to people in the chat, so I didn't know that you guys didn't know I was there and then When you covered excuse me when you covered me, I wasn't in the chat. I was away from my computer at that time All I got was just a bunch of people telling me that you were dumping on me dumping on me dumping on me So I didn't know exactly how that went down I didn't really particularly feel like checking it out for myself because of what I understood was going on over here and then so I You I dropped coward because and I noticed you said don't throw insults if insults haven't been thrown I assumed insults had been thrown. So I just said, you know, I mean, I was there I'm here. I'm easy to reach if you guys want to talk to me and You know, I if you want to talk trash, which is what I assumed was going on, you know So do it when I'm around But that was basically the idea behind the coward thing and then the other thing the 2000 losers comment that is So there's an emote there. It's the smug Ross face emote So people who are familiar with my channel part of my discord channel People who have been around since the beginning of my channel know that there's this building in joke about how smug I am and how Flippant I am and how dismissive and what a jerk I am and what a terrible person I am So when I use that emote the smug Ross emote, it's I think it's titled. Am I right? But it's the smug Ross face, which means I'm not I'm playing up the that's actually self deprecating I know that sounds ridiculous because I'm throwing an insult But when I throw an insult, yeah, it doesn't really seem to make sense. It's I'm the jerk here I'm being the jerk and I know I'm being a jerk and there's so usually in the past when people are Insulting me. I will put something in one of my videos that is Kind of like playing that up like yeah, I see that's what's going on and here I am being the jerk of the internet. So that's what that comment was so I wasn't at all attacking your Your fan base. I wasn't doing anything like that with your fan base. I was just playing up the smug Ross I'm such a jerk Character, okay, so all the other things that don't have the emoji next to them Is that just implied or did you actually mean those things? The smug Ross emote No, the other emote that we've been to yes the smug Ross emote Well, like what we're actually highlighting is like so everything that doesn't have the emote attached is probably just genuine commentary, right? I don't know. I don't remember everything that was said Well luckily for you. You don't have to remember. So let me show you well I I was gonna say that there's there's more than likely Absolutely some insults thrown at your your video from from the matter steal one just out of like utter disbelief But it's it was it's a weird experience to to call people cowardly and to that be like you're calling me pathetic It's like yeah, yeah, I don't know that seems tit-for-tat for me But no my my understanding was you guys called me pathetic I say okay. Well if you want to call me pathetic call it to me to my face one I'm there and so cowardly so I apologize for that. Well, you don't don't worry about like it's not that much It was more of an I was interested in the mechanics of it because as for like That I think the video is really bad, but like I'm sure you're very like most video essay creators I'm sure you're a very nice person and I For context, okay, well, I think the video is very good. So that's absolutely fine Yeah, we were clearly because you made it you probably thought it was worthwhile And you've said as much as that what we're saying isn't worth much anyway So I I get that that's your position for context. I've made a couple of movie reviews We all do media analysis in different ways This podcast is created to watch video essayists including all of the ones you probably know about in some way shape or form at some point And we just check out there takes typically when they oppose ours as in if we watch something and we conclude It's somewhere on a scale We wouldn't mind watching a video that argues a complete reverse recently. We've gotten into the DCE you We're watching them one by one We're releasing our coverage of them and then we check out videos that defend them because so far they've all been absolutely abysmal and Everyone recommended your man of steel one as a strong one for defending the movie and we were staggered by it quite Significantly, I don't I think you said you hadn't seen any of the coverage, which is totally fine But today we're doing your BBS one and Okay, that's totally fine with me. I don't I don't really particularly mind I was just here to talk about those comments that were on my discord which are for my discord fans. They all understand the tone and You guys don't so I wouldn't I wouldn't direct that guys that that at you guys you understand I would it's it's was and it's an in-joke that's been building for years Mm-hmm. Well, okay, I I just It's like a quick question so real and about my videos my my It took me a long time to figure out what I was doing with my channel And I think I really finally figured it out recently was It's not so much that I'm saying the movie is good I'm just saying that the criticisms that I saw were not as strong as I thought they could be And so my my whole point is just if you're gonna argue against something I want it steel man, you know, so Let's let's make the best possible case We can for something and then talk about the best possible case rather than just I you know Slinging dumping and stuff like that, you know, that's that's my whole I'm inclined to agree with you Whether or not man or steel should be considered good great bad or terrible whatever. It's really irrelevant compared to Did we get the references right other people being critical and people are not being critical rather praiseworthy and like I would Flip it around. I'd be like your video was was dire in terms of Misrepresenting references or making them up and BBS is doing the same thing. No, I know I know that's kind of a problem. No, the thing is like I'm assuming you would hold the same position reverse because our positions can't coexist Like they're impossible to coexist like my references sure define as like contradicting in terms of the movie itself like for example Lex's motivations or Superman's Intensive Methodology of killing doob's day Batman's choices in terms of kryptonite weaponry manufacturing Their whole battle there's so much to go over in terms of just how broken the film is and yeah I think a lot of the defense is like I'm I genuinely I'm curious when you said it's the point of the scene though Do you think that that's a good defense of a broken scene? I don't remember what you're talking about We so that the criticism was all the ways they could have killed doomsday Including but not limited to Wonder Woman using when I say when I say that's the point of the scene So I think your criticism of the movie is not of the point of the scene the point that your criticism is how they pulled it off And that's fine. I don't really mind. It's just the point the point trying to be made is here's Here's the end result is the point and then not the method by which they got to it I Don't care it's just it's just in the context of my I don't remember the specific thing It was the thing I said in my video I said I'm letting my video speak for itself because I don't remember what I said I guess the problem though I think the problem that we had with that is cuz like, you know every every scene There's usually some objective that the writer is trying to achieve. It's just whether or not What happens in the scene actually supports reaching that I just think it's more interesting to talk about the objective rather than Well, then why are you talking here If you're just gonna say it's fine and not engage with anything then why are you here? I have to talk about the comments that were on the discord like I said, right? Okay, so Okay, you have this mug emoji anything else Well, I've got a question So in your video you included a clip from I guess a Superman animated series or movie Where Superman was fighting Shazam in the city and they were like destroying a bunch of buildings What was the exact context that you were intending like what what context does that scene exist in in your mind? When when these guys fight damage happens, that's the context okay, so Lex Luthor had apparently tricked them into fighting in an empty part of the city that was built for the homeless by Lex Luthor Not only were like no civilians hurt in that scene But it was also actually set up to make Superman look like a massive threat to everyone Now the criticism that we have of man of steel involves this is not an unpopulated area That Superman is taking this fight to Superman is fighting Zod in a highly populated area Hundreds of thousands of people would be dead Right. I remember the same thing about that It and it's the point as is first of all Superman's first day So he's screwing up second a lot of most of most of the fight most of the damage I mean most of the deaths happen before he gets there and then when he does get there There's this hole. Why doesn't weed? Why doesn't he just fly up with Zod? And then the point is well Zod just told him I'm going to kill these people one by one whether you're here or not. So do you mind if we he's got a fight there? That's that's it. There's a lot of things right down about you might if we go Yeah, like go through that one by one because I think I think the main problems we had with that was first the idea that like Superman isn't at all accountable for a lot of the deaths that happen before he got to metropolis because of course it's like the entire plan to disrupt the The world engine is really flawed and like for some reason Superman forgets that he has lasers or Doesn't try to fly through the world engine earlier There were a lot of things he could have done to like make it happen faster But he doesn't because he just seemingly forgets about his abilities and this is also putting to one side that they only need to Take out one of the world engine machines in order to stop the world engine from functioning So he probably shouldn't have even gone there He should have gone to metropolis straight away and like that kind of on him that he didn't make a better decision Because of course it's like if we could come up with this like if we sitting here watching the movie could come up with it He and the government should have been able to come up with a better plan But like even if you ignore all of the deaths that happen from that Superman lasers the Kryptonian ship and then it crashes through three buildings like three skyscrapers that you in the video said were Probably empty, but it's like he didn't know that probably that came from the the interviews that I was reading That's the thing like Because it's and also the fundamental thing is like think about because when it comes to culpability and guilt a lot of it has to Do with what's going on in your head? Superman lasered the ship and then it crashed into three buildings Which it could have been any three buildings. He doesn't know that they're empty Well, I didn't threaten it. I wouldn't say is odd. I'm gonna blow this fucking ship up unless you park it peacefully and we can talk I know sir like this and again those buildings. There's no way that that The scale of the damage that's happening is not excused by it was his first day Like what what scarlet witch does at the beginning of civil war when she sends crossbones up and he blows up a building That is a rookie mistake. That has huge consequences as well Yeah, it has huge consequences. It's also like a heat of the moment spur spur of the moment decision And also only 30 people It was only not 30 people as opposed to would be Scott's crisis frame is a genuine fuck up And it's a much more reasonable fuck up for a character like that to make whereas we with superman and his power set No, the amount of damage that's happening not excused by he's inexperienced No way I don't even think it matches like my first day as a cop It doesn't mean i'm gonna spray and pray when like my sheet go what I spot a bad guy like Precisely, we're talking about like the scale here compared to again like if it's if it's one building that gets destroyed Okay, fine first day We're not talking about one building that gets destroyed Counting the fact that um that like earlier in the day in smallville He flew zog through a petrol station and blew up a car. There could have been someone in that And that's his fault. He flew in but I gave you that one. Yeah. Oh, yeah, right Sorry, my bad But but also no no wait wait wait, but we got a spot there hold on because There's that but also the fact that he brought sod into smallville puts everybody in the town in imminent danger Right, and that's his that's in the video Is it in the video like I don't like yeah, I said that in the video Yeah, but then you said that he couldn't fly them out of the he you said he couldn't fly them out of the town I showed all the examples of him trying to fly them away and then he cried once and then he punched He punched one of the medium I think it's three times I'm trying to remember my edit Are you at the time? I think it was it's like there's a couple times when he tries to fly away There's a couple times where he punches people away Are you including the time that he's punched a dude into a train yard because that doesn't count that blows up the train yard Yeah, he said he gave that one and then the guy is able to like chuck a train right at the gas station Yeah, I think this is missing the point that I was making Which is that it's his first day No, what the point that I made in that video, which was which is the He screwed up at that time and he's doing his best to try to amend it But he let the emotions get the better of him. I don't think so. Yes, you're correct It's a it's a it's a supreme screw up Because of the emotional situation that's going on. I don't think the film was aware that was the point of the Yeah, I that is in my video was that are you talking about the the the emotions Involving like his mother was just threatened and he leaves her behind with those two crotonians to deal with those one Yeah, I showed I even showed a quote from zack sider where he talks about the motivation behind that whole thing I I think it's worth it like we need to um, we need to move past the quotes because it's like Is that really a response theory right where it's like Oh, no death of the author like I think I think it's important to oh, I don't I If you if you watch my twin peaks video, you will know I believe zero percent in death of the author How can how can you say that and also bring a bit? I think the I just want to clarify you don't actually believe that You don't believe that huge huge importance. I can guarantee you that you don't believe that Okay, how so George Lucas says the star wars is is just a film about a penguin on a seat You just couldn't see it How important is that input? There's no way I'm sorry. I didn't I didn't really hear the somebody else was talking. What did you say? So George Lucas says star wars is about a penguin on a chair How useful is this author's input and the analysis of star wars I mean, that's kind of like you can add things to it. I'm not saying you can't add you made a categorical You were like it's absolutely so important to take the the author's input. I think it's useful In certain instances, but it can never be used as so for example How many people died you you took issue with the buzzfeed article that was Representative while someone like Zack Snyder says oh, it was just 5,000 people. I think Which is absurd just because he said I said that no one died. Would you believe Zack Snyder? Well, no, but he didn't well And and Zack Snyder was talking about the Superman fight and not the the world engine Well, it wouldn't matter what he was talking about That's the point I'm making it doesn't matter It's the idea, but you're taking issue with the point that I'm saying which is that it does No, no, no, no, wait, hold on. So where does that leave us? I don't understand The point that's being tried to make uh, that's that we're making in terms of like this whole idea of uh death of the author is Let's say like in a hypothetical situation if the writer just says something that's just like absurd It's it's ridiculous and it shouldn't even be considered at all because it's just totally incongruous with what is actually Like in the media But you said that it's like you zero percent don't subscribe to death of the author But like it's always important that it always needs to be considered and the reason I'm saying that it can't be I'm not saying that you can't have the author's opinion and then also the things that people add to it I'm just saying the opinion is very very important No, I mean like when when because then you understand what it was that they're trying to depict No, but I mean when the author's opinion like flat out comes with the x what's in the in the story, you know what I mean like Yeah, it's trying to do implies that failure is possible the process You can tell what that should be based on the structure I'm not saying that he didn't fail. I'm saying that these are the interesting things that I want to talk about My point is that you don't like your claim of your like zero percent to death the author's like well No, there will be times where you're gonna hear it off this perspective or input and you're gonna be like no And You can disagree with an author, but I don't think it's you throw it away You think an author can listen to their own work Okay Do you think not do you? That's a Sure, all all I'm trying to do is push you off a zero percent because nobody That's an interesting conversation to have about the the intention of the what what they were trying to do and how they failed Sure, I'm just trying to push you off to what you're saying Push you away from zero Like you can I don't understand the question You so I take issue with you saying you take you zero percent to death the other I'm saying like there's got to be an instance where you would engage in death of the author like that's That's just categorical I don't think death of the author makes sense Okay, ross. I think it's I just don't find it useful. Okay. Uh, what do you think about jk rolling? I don't know anything about jk rolling Okay jk rolling Sorry, let's let's not move too far away because you said specifically you framed your um Your response to criticisms of batman v superman specifically how superman goes about trying to kill doomsday You say well, I'm just more interested in looking at what the author intended But you frame your video as you are wrong About superman like you are wrong about this movie You know Oh, so you don't mean what you say any videos. Cool. All right, then well I don't know. All right. Well, I don't what do you mean to let the video speak for yourself? I guess like when when you say when you say like it's clickbait I guess my question would be so what is your actual perspective then on on this film? Like what was well, I'm not saying that the that the responses to the questions are wrong I'm just saying the forcefulness of the word wrong is it's like, yeah, it's kind of an important word Hey, come check this out and and see how you're wrong, you know And people want to click on it and then there's no, but that's not that is not and then they get into it And then there's an interesting That is not just the title of your video that is the tone of the video itself You say people who make these criticisms. You they're ridiculous. Come come on. It's explained You I would say those people are objectively wrong Look at them and then maybe we can think about it differently. That is not I know literally say that at the beginning you say that some people are objectively wrong And that's the smug Ross. Okay, so so you don't actually believe that Can you see how that might be seen as kind of is the real Ross here with us now or is it the smug fake one? You know No, we don't have that's almost like the cinema sense thing of some of the time It's jokes but some of the time they're real criticisms And then it gets really hard for people to know what they're meant to be You know what I mean? Like how how somebody meant to know like which parts of the video they're meant to take earnestly and which parts they're meant to dismiss as jokes just If the line is so blurry I had a curiosity like part of what interested me in your video What I heard the opening was that you believe people could be Objectively wrong and about what they're talking about. So for instance, I hate bvs because of the scene where Lex kills lois. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah Okay, so I'm I've used the objectively wrong thing More than once in my videos. So I was getting confused about where the context was So in the in the man of steel video or are you talking about baby? Yes In either case what you just said It the idea is that the all everybody's opinions of why These movies are so bad Are based on and then they give a bunch of reasons and the reasons don't match up with what I'm seeing in the film So there's the objectively wrong. That's what I'm in there. Yeah, that's absolutely fantastic And that's part I was I was hoping to say that's why I had interest in covering your video because I was like, oh Shit, you believe that's possible. Which makes it easier to Interlock with you because I can be like, oh, I think you're objectively wrong You've fucked up you've created context or you've invented references or you've twisted the storyline to match something that's more coherent when it's not And that's why it would be an interesting conversation For example, your criticism of people saying that he should have booped Doomsday into space and you're like, yeah, well, it doesn't work fools. It's like, oh, but it would if he did it again For for how long? Ever the second To get him out of the Second time, okay, okay, until the us military Now we're talking about the point of the scene versus the method that used to show it Oh, here we go. Stop. Stop. Stop. So just to clarify. Here we go. That's my whole my whole my entire point is I just want to say so you were objectively wrong. I don't like the death of the author It's the point of the scene. What was he trying to do? I understand completely. I understand What was the point of the movie, right? It was to watch Bama for Superman 5 Yeah, but just to clarify you were objectively wrong when you said it wouldn't work I don't remember but okay Cool, that's fine. And you're saying but I know you don't have to apologize. That's absolutely fine You made a mistake and you're saying that the point of the scene is to have Doomsday not go into space So of course he doesn't I'm not saying I don't make mistakes. I don't know where that came in And I didn't say that I didn't say that you don't I didn't say the reverse I'm always just trying to walk things back. You're okay. Nothing's going wrong here with my point. What's Zach Snyder's point? What's your point? That's it. I was simply interested in clarifying that and that's that's all I got that's that's all good I'm very glad and we did it. I just wanted to know because that's from our perspective We want to get these references right and wrong So then we can conclude which writers are working the hardest and which ones we should reward the most Like which ones we should praise the most someone like Zach Snyder is obviously dribbling all over the page And we just want to highlight that that's what's happening Okay. Yeah, that's that's absolutely fine then But hold on I wanted to could you said that it was really funny that somebody said civil war is uh better than that Uh, that man of steel. I didn't I never said anything about civil war Do you think that that's true? We we have we have receipts that would somebody else said something about civil war I don't remember the yeah, but you said we should stream for two hours on that comment What does that imply? Oh, that was the that was the reactive response to just the the idea that I was getting about you guys Where you were just talking trash for hours and hours and hours about me Another guy said civil war was great. And then you said you just added more time He said man content is easy. Okay. I guess what I want is like do you actually think that that was the That was the reactive jab Do you think I didn't I didn't see the smell in that one now I guess smug smug Ross is like a blanket thing, you know, okay I guess what I'm asking Yeah, but what I'm asking right now. I'm obviously being sarcastic there Yes, but what I'm asking right now is do you think that like do you actually think that man of steel is better than batman? Ah, then civil war I saw I don't remember civil war. I saw it one time and I don't really remember it So I can't make a car How many times have you seen man of steel by the way In making the video probably nine Wow, do you think it's a well written movie? Uh, like I said in the beginning of Excuse me the man of steel video if you're if your gripe is writing or Special effects or the way it looks or you know dialogue Delivery and stuff like that like you can you I have no issue with you All right, that's great, but um, but what about the well-written part? Yeah, you didn't actually answer us Can you just say if the complaint is about we're asking you the first one? Yeah, we're asking you about your opinion on it. It could probably be better. Yeah Okay, so again But I think there's a lot of interesting stuff in there Do you think that the movie is well written? It's a yes or no Yes or no, yes or no you guys know lemmy No We're really curious what your opinion is on this. Yeah, like and don't don't I can say it's not it's not the best written movie. No, I guess but okay Do you do you think It's not the best and it's it's not Can you your opinion on the writing if it's good or not and it's the struggle to get an answer out of you The best written movie it means I didn't ask if it was the best written movie If I wanted to know if it was the best written movie, I'd ask do you think it's the best written movie Oh, I'm glad I had more beers. Geez like uh, I don't know if this is gonna make it better always If you could drop a number like between a zero and a 10 and there's not going to be any problem with this It could be 10. It could be 10. It doesn't matter. I don't know that's totally fine. Yeah, literally I'm not I'm not interested in whether or not it's a well written movie In the points that I would that was trying to make I really like this take on superman. That was it No, that was not like it. That is not all you said You said all these criticisms of the movie are wrong and that they're actually explained and there are reasons for all of it See, it's actually well written. It's not poorly written. Like everyone I say well written We're trying to find out So, sorry, you were responding to criticisms of the writing the well written thing into what I said Um, I guess you know what? Maybe we should just ask you if it's a well written or not and then you could just tell us Like I said, I don't like I don't like talking trash like that about things that I like, you know Talking trash about things you like The best you're gonna get out of me is it's not the best written movie. It could be better Only one movie is the best written movie And there's so he's saying that he doesn't want to say anything lower than that because it would be I guess cruel to the film because you enjoy it sort of thing Yeah I All right, so I really like I really like batman and robin. It's a really shitty movie It's easy. I disagree. I think that's a fantastic movie But for the reasons that you probably think it's also good. Um, just to clarify because I don't I don't I don't make that distinction I don't think that that is just like is the cross is a bad movie that I really like well, then you think it's a good movie No, I know No, I don't just to clarify is the cross why I hear that you kind of define those are the same thing Like how much you like something is kind of how well it's written to you I guess to clarify That you know is good, but you just didn't like interesting question. I I Like for the sake of moving on I'll just say no, it's not a well written movie Okay, well, we'd rather have what you actually think but all right, but apparently we think that from your video I mean the impression I just got was that that is kind of what he thinks and he just doesn't he doesn't Want to hang on it because of the fact that he enjoys his experience with the movie and he doesn't want to shit on it Which I guess I just find it. I can agree with you. I can't agree with them all I said I guess I just find it confusing because like When you're addressing criticism that is directed at the film And then like saying well, it's wrong or this is why it doesn't make sense It's like all of this leads to a certain end point, right? Like if everybody's giving all these criticism then and they're just unfounded it's like, oh So either there aren't any actual valid criticism or there are very few No, no my endpoint is come up with better criticisms But well so Yeah, that was the problem though is that I didn't realize that at the time but now now that looking back on what I my point with the video was was If we're going to criticize something but then we shouldn't criticize it based on nitpicks Well Do you think that Yeah, what do you think a For a nitpick, yeah, any of the questions that I answered in the video Any of the questions that I answered in the video are nitpicks. Okay. Um, all right. Well, I'm done if you guys are Real quick. Okay. So yes Um, uh Product placement, that's a bit of a nitpick right for sure. That doesn't have a huge effect on the story But the fact that superman doesn't do basic things to end The main threat is that a nitpick as well is everything you talked about in your manager's video If I understand what you mean by basic things I I made the case in the video That's what I mean when I say I'm going to let the video speak for itself Is I don't remember it well enough, but I'm pretty sure I made a a case for that in the video Well, I'm pretty sure it's just that um because you were saying like that most of that you were saying You said they were nitpicks comments that you were responding to with nitpicks So now it's just a question of why if like you were to work at each of the criticisms that you addressed Okay, when it pick was the wrong word. I mean dog piling Uh, what do you mean by that? That's a whole different thing. All the criticisms are dog piling This that I don't like and I don't really know how to define it It's just in general. I'm not a fan of this movie and then so therefore I will go in And do the cinemasins thing of trying to find all every single like right down to calculator watch I think is a famous cinemasins thing It's like I'm going to find every little thing that I can find to to pick it apart Is is the idea that I'm trying to Battle with Yeah, it's very ambiguous and well, I think with what I've heard you say so far that that is in line because It seems to me that you would be frustrated by the idea of someone almost looking to not enjoy something rather than simply taking it for what it is Is that something you feel? That's correct. I think that's a good way to put it. Um, you what if it's just bad? I don't think they I say they I don't think they define it that way like I can you can I film be bad? I don't feel good and bad. I think I think successful in what it intended to or not Um, enjoy it. It doesn't so it doesn't pull off I guess um, so if it's not successful at what it tried to do that's bad, right? I guess the question I guess in the george lucas example Like he he wanted to make a video a movie about a penguin on a seat and then he ended up making something that everybody loves it's like well It's it's I don't know what you would say about that a video to be honest. Like it's not We're trying to probe here find out what we're working with Someone I wanted to just get too quickly I guess it's so like the process of you watched it and you're like Fuck this movie's awesome. And you you saw how it all lined up and stuff and then you were like, oh Okay, it doesn't matter. That's not the important part So then you see people criticizing it and they're like the cinema sins does the product placement one So I'm sure that's at least one of the sources for that and a lot of people making all these other claims And you're like, wait, no, that's that's not they they fucked up the thing with the Oh, this is actually annoying that a lot of the discourse surrounding this movie is inaccurate Which by the way, we take issue with that too. We've defended many movies on this podcast against um, You know videos that shit on them. So I was curious You would it be fair to say you care about whether or not people are being accurate when representing Like a film or story I would say As as accurate as they could be. Yeah I agree. Does it not bother you at all that you might have been inaccurate when defending the movie Oh, of course, it bothers me if I'm inaccurate. Yeah, if if I if if I made a if I made a misstep, of course Well, I figure that's what you'd be Um interested in potentially is to go through a couple of them or not We've done a couple and it does seem like The impression I've gotten is that you don't necessarily care now and that you'd rather just appeal to It was a film made by a person you had a point to make and it was executed well enough that you could clearly see it But other people couldn't like that would be your stance now I think so. Yeah, and in which case I feel like, uh These characters that was like unfamiliar like you if you guys are comic book guys I'm assuming then you like, you know that there's a lot of Deep-rooted philosophy that's been trying to Uh, they've been trying to dig up with these characters over the years And those haven't necessarily made it into the films and then so zacks nighter was trying to do to do the uh Hey, there's the play does republic thing. Here's the uh, you know, uh, yeah, we can tell by the book Killer hero who's trying to deny that he killed the joker once In in the dark knight returns. Yeah And it's like, I think that's that's the interesting thing here and it's getting overshadowed by Uh, oh the cg's bad and oh superman killed all these people and oh batman's not allowed to kill anybody I feel like that's a big He's only the hero of the movie, so however plays in public. So And it's up for debate is what i'm saying It's like that's up for debate whether or not that happened and then if it happened Well, then let's talk about it. Like what's what's what's interesting and that's Did you uh, I think it's just a better a better way to to think about movies rather than I'm super into this one. So like the stuff that I was responding Uh, did you like the last Jedi? There's no wrong answer to this don't worry I don't usually remember movies that I didn't really that didn't resonate with me So I don't really remember the last Jedi. That's totally fine. It's gonna It's just an example Are you so like you could say part of the core philosophy of The last Jedi is to send the message to his audience that like you shouldn't fear failure and it shouldn't drive you into Like a horrible state where you lock yourself off from the world failure Is really important and it's one of the best things in terms of learning and growing That's the message of the movie a lot of people pick up on a lot of the space mechanics Right like all that ship shouldn't have had that level of fuel that lightsaber can't do that That person can't do this that weapon disappeared when they're missing the overall point But what if the movies events contradict that point? What if characters save people and then other characters say that was a bad thing you did And then their failure makes them learn to never save people again Like wouldn't you then be like wait a minute? What the fuck? and Yeah, like so I guess what I'm saying is like it seems like you want to focus more so on the thematic elements But what if the narrative elements contradict like partially at least the message because we feel that wonder woman destroys its own theme Like thoroughly the the uh 2017 one I think that's an interesting discussion Okay Um because a lot of those things can literally come down to whether or not a spaceship has enough fuel in the A character is going to make a decision to hurt someone and the agency They would have to do so as requires an item in the world that has certain rules It's binded by and so if those things are just changed on the fly that decision becomes a hell of a lot less meaningful Okay, so then what I said earlier you would you would agree with where it's like you you guys don't necessarily Disagree with the points or the message but rather just the execution of those Well, when you say disagree with the points or message Are you talking about whether or not it was the message at all because we often recognize what a film's message is It's just often contradicted or is not at all supported by the scenes Yeah, the execution really matters like you know that may be cuties, you know like you so Bad, right, but cuties literally exploited sexually exploited children for their movie So that in this case i'm talking about a zaxnider movie number one and number two like I The the the clips that I was showing It's the creator interviews everybody I mean apparently we're taking issue with but those things were the responses to at the time when that video came out, which was 2016 This was before batman. He's a friend had come out Yeah, and The point that I made about flying into three buildings and then and then in bvs They changed it and it's like 17 buildings in a row. So I guess rip that where it was literally Where I was driving with that one was part of what I think is important about panacea teal's message is like the Choice clock is making to be a symbol for the People of of earth as well as being the bridge between two worlds I think all of his actions in the film basically like contradict those two things specifically when you put together Be a bridge for these people and then you tie it to him lasering through the embryo chamber or those ship Okay, so in in zaxnider's defense I would say yes, you can try to go for that and then reality kicks in and now you've got a psychopath who's going to murder a people one by one and and This is all foisted on you within the the course of an afternoon. What does that have to do with him lasering the embryo chamber? All the stuff you said what does that have to do with the embryo chamber thing we just mentioned Like I said like within the course of an afternoon. He's got to stop this guy And so he's going to make some mistakes. So he destroys the embryo So when we're almost kind of there now So like I think you might have seen it Possibly as a nitpick for someone to be like why didn't superman make this choice that would have maybe been better Rather than worse and you're like, that's not really the point of the scene while I'm trying to say Yeah, but superman making these choices is representative of the point of the film. Is it not like superman is supposed to try and maximize Existence like he takes no issue with destroying the potential existence of possibly thousands of krypton Kryptonians, but then he takes major issue with killing zod He's actively trying to kill innocent people Then what we're talking about right now, but I would just say yeah, I think we've hit the the center of the disagreement, which is that you guys think it the that the the method is Is the the the result and I think the result that they're going for is where the result comes from They changed it. I think Well, I think I want to appeal to us because when we talk I guess if it's like if if that's all them if that's all that we're really talking about which is the intent to be Creator of the story then it's almost like what is even the point of the story itself Why not just have the right to sit down and tell you what they think Yeah, I would just tell us the message. I would be curious to say it on twitter If if he was filming If Fringy's film was right, why is it as we get it If Fringy's film was realized and Zach Snyder was on a chair and for the two hours He reads the script of man of steel and then he explains like what the point of it was Could I then sort of make the same argument? I'd be like this movie is fucking amazing. Think of the ideas. It's trying to get across I understand your point and no, I wouldn't say that that's the case Well, I feel like that generates a scale for us like we wouldn't accept that that's pathetic right in terms of like film making It's like what did you just do? But then a step up might be like a B movie where they they clearly tried But it's it's oftentimes like in someone's house and you know, everything's awkward the boom mics and the You know like oh, they're trying and there's loads of horrible writing But all the way at the top of the scale I would probably put something like prestige where its ideas are completely realized by like how tight of an incredible script that is And so this is this is popcorn comic books. Like sometimes you just want to watch that But the thing is I hate but we would want to try and highlight where they Elevate above that right like you think it's possible. I assume for a popcorn superhero movie And so when I think they add the popcorn blockbuster for The masses that also had a touch of the the philosophy that we were trying to get in all the comic books Sure And yeah, and it looks like there's a metric for this And so we would be like oh Man of Steel is not one of those But there are a couple that we would say are and the metric would just be the execution plus the I guess the point they try to make Uh being in yeah, how do you differentiate between a really well executed film with the message In a really bad film that executes the message. How do you tell the difference? What's your criteria? You write a college thesis. I don't know. No, just fucking answer me to discord call I don't need a college thesis. Jesus with this dismissive bullshit that you do quit it. Cut it out I'm just I'm asking you an earnest question and you're going into college essays. I'm legitimately asking you You're a cool guy. Okay What was the question Hey, okay, so um the question that I asked in earnest was I was wondering for you How do you differentiate? What is your criteria? For distinguishing between a film that executes its themes well and one that does not execute its themes well How do you get the difference between the two? Before right this second. So I don't that's fine. That's totally fine. That's all I guess. What do you what do you? If like, what do you think though? I guess right now Like if you had to figure out an answer that Your subject and I can answer you know in one second Well, that's fine. No, we will like from our perspective as long as you want. You are a movie critic though, right? And that's what you do. I'm not It's just a no, yeah, it's disappointing that you don't know But it's fine that you don't know and it's good that you'll think about it The idea is that like for us our scale is sort of how well things are executed Because we generally kind of hold the idea that ideas in and of themselves are kind of cheap Just the idea But it's the execution of those ideas Admittedly, I kind of don't I kind of don't buy that you actually don't appreciate the difference Like I don't feel I feel like there's no way like if we were talking about a movie that wasn't you know Like popcorn superhero movie that that you would recognize that there is sort of a difference Between he already did when he said about the the guy sitting on a chair in the room He was like, okay, so that's that's not good enough execution, right? Like there's a yeah, okay, I guess Yeah The exact dividing line between No, we're not no, no, it's not that at all. Um, it's just like a hyperbolic assumption We're curious about like how this system would even Main because of course when you leave this call eventually like what we're doing is going through your arguments and seeing how well They account for the you know flaws in the film or not and the more that you can patch the film The more it'll overall be executed well in terms of whatever goals it may or may not have had And that can heal it in terms of like how how well it's executed Meanwhile, if they are poor defenses then the holes remain and the film is still executed poorly and thus we concluded It wasn't very good like that. There's nothing hugely complicated about this We don't take like a personal fury against uh, Zach Snyder's man of steel of bvs I mean, he annoys me every once in a while like with his movies because they're incredibly immature But like that's fine ultimately because I adore plenty of immature movies. I just wish he was more aware of that Like um, he's like as someone has said he's like michael bay, but without knowing he's a child I guess His visuals are incredible. I think his fight choreography is really good. I think his action is very good above bay level I know I don't I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be cool. We're just like, I don't think michael bay is a good director or a good storyteller Or like a good director. I didn't say that No, I said I he said fringy thought Try to do what he he took his His comic book Like visual style like that. He was that he's he's trying to recreate comic books on screen and I mean, it's anybody can judge whether or not he's successful in doing the visual part of it. I think so Uh, and then he's got cool choreography and then he tries to put some philosophy in there And then what if he fails in doing that? See their fails Is up to who's watching it. I guess is that really all that matters though Like whether or not some I've got to imagine that everybody tries when they're making a film Like I imagine that everybody who works on a film is really trying and that they tell me why so tried And I thought I thought we were getting somewhere with the um the embryo example where it was like What he's going for like if you maintain this happened with um Just right. I'm assuming you may have heard of him But he like takes it as a point of compliment to tlj There's a particular plot point that he thinks is strong. I don't know if you've heard of it But it's holdo not telling po the plan. He felt that it was justified that she didn't tell him the plan and It was all good. I spoke to him and concluded mechanically It doesn't make sense for her not to tell him the plan And so that is now at odds with what would be his perception of what is praise worthy about the Story and like I would assume the embryo example would have to be the same for you You're seeing the message flow out But there's portions of it that aren't functioning or are absolutely going against it And I'm assuming that kind of cognitive dissonance leads you to possibly conclude something like oh It's part of the message actually it's it's more so and you try and integrate it instead of I'm saying that that it's a it's a it's a weak link. Sure. Okay, but I will grant it That implies a scale like enough like weak links means it's broken, right? Yeah, there are strong links But I think the the philosophy and the points are stronger than the the technical weak links um That's what I've been saying The words but we're asking how is that Well, now we can talk about that though because you said it's stronger. So now you have to that's you need to qualify that Is it it's the strength of the message based on how much it means to you In in in what your guys are doing and I'm interested in looking into the philosophy of batman. That's it So no, it's just you said that it's stronger, but like that's what do you mean when you're stronger stronger? My opinion that it's that it's it's more interesting in what way what do you mean? It's like stronger just means more interesting and that's it. It means more to you is what you're saying, right? Yeah, right. Um how bad but but like if I said the the phrase like I don't know don't Hit two birds of one stone means more to me than you couldn't learn from failure So any movie that has the idea of trying to hit two birds of one stone is just going to be automatically be better than any movie that has don't you think that scale is kind of Sorry Sorry, what I don't think that's I think In this specific example, I think zack snider going after the tired old legend This guy doesn't really believe in himself anymore Is is an interesting and better take than uh The better I guess Better what do you mean better? Yeah, any better More interesting You like it more. You said so it's just more interesting and better I like it more. That's why I made the video Just like it. I'm not it's better like your sentence was essentially like I like it more and I like it more and I like it more and it's like, okay But you seem to find it you said you like it You said you like it more because and then you said yeah because it's it's not interesting with As a as a potential killer rather than just to To talk about Superman punching doing this. It's not it's not it's not really Like is that really worth? Yeah, that is reductive first of all, but also like Not it's not the kind of thing you'd expect to hear from a film I'm really struggling because like every time that we I think that we're Like almost pushing some way you then default back to like the same thing and then just say, whoa, we disagree and that's it Never baller tries to clarify the argument. He seems to be hitting it. So I think he Yeah, yeah, but then you'd keep defaulting back to like the same thing again. Well, I feel like every time Your fault back to this is all just going to be personal opinion because we're Well, wait, so no when someone asked me why two plus two is four. I don't say well, it's just my opinion Everyone asks you did this movie pull off the dark night philosophy the best you can't that's not two plus two Well, the first thing I do Well, the first thing I do is ask what that philosophy is and then once we have that philosophy We could take it apart and we can analyze it. We could see what's the message is. How do you execute it? What does the scene say? I feel like you'd agree with this like if the if the philosophy of like you always maximize Happiness in the world. That's the philosophy then the film has them constantly killing as many people as they can Proclaiming that philosophy be like, oh, that's broken. If someone said no, that's your opinion that it's broken We're like, no, that's broken like the parameters of you. You told me what they were and they don't match How does how does the bvs then did not pull off the philosophy? Oh, I wasn't I was more so interested in talking about it theoretically rather than a specific example Yeah, we got to start at the base level here. Like you think it's theoretically possible, right? I think we should talk about the thing that we're talking about. Sure. We can go on to that next I just wanted to clarify. You think it's theoretically possible though. It wouldn't be a matter of opinion potentially I I I'm loathe to say yes or no. Okay. Um, what if why is that? It's complicated to commit rex it might lead you to other conclusions that you're not Oh, yeah, that's right. We wouldn't want to do that That's fair enough proceed if if there was like a hundred movies that were all about this philosophy of batman that you're enjoying Would you love them all the same amount or would it be about how they were executed? I Like I said, I think I made concessions for I like Zach Snyder style. So of course I would say that that's correct I don't think that all of the batman movies that talk about the dark knight returns are going to be good Good, how would you differentiate the good ones from the bad ones when you say that you just mean how much you like it? Right Why is it wrong to like Zach Snyder's? No, no, it's not. We didn't say that It's that um, it's Sometimes you're you mean like I mean like yeah, sometimes you'll say that you like something or you find it interesting Or that it's good when in reality all those they all mean the same thing to you, right? Yeah, like hopefully that helps you understand why we're getting confused because if I said to no The point of this conversation is that you disagree? And that's fine. I don't mind The points of this conversation is that we disagree and that's it Do you care about it? Would you would you like to yeah, would you like? Well, I mean what I was trying to get to was that I think you do care about not only execution But like the mechanics of it I honestly think that was behind these videos like why you created them was because you were frustrated that a film is getting Misrepresented and so I'm just trying to conclude with you That um, I think I think that that does matter with with the the things that we talk about and that is not Exclusively whether or not we liked it We try to like do our best to substantiate all the arguments We make against or for something because even our audience will be pissed at us if we say oh, this was boring Or this was really fun. They'll be like hey, we need better than that which again Is not supposed to be treated as like a demonization It's just much more interesting to talk about it mechanically because there's other things that we can see rather than simply saying Well, I like it I agree and that's why I don't touch on that stuff in my videos I don't talk about my personal opinion in my videos. I just talk about what what I can make a case for and I can't make a case for liking Zach Snyder. I can't just make a case for Here's why Zach Snyder is objectively good, but I can make a case for Here's what people aren't paying attention to when we talk about Batman's not allowed to kill anybody. Well, how about the history? I would say it's pretty damning when you say we got a few things then there are things that we can pay attention to Which means that there are things that are quantifiable or qualifiable but also Like all all of the claims that you've been making have to do with like it's my opinion It's my opinion. This is what I think and this is what I value The video is things that I'm not talking about in the videos So do you do you're here and we're asking you about them now? Well, there is that but also like moreover It's just um, do you not think that you're expressing any perspective in your videos at all Just in any way by by making arguments or making claims or making statements I think I'm expressing the perspective that I literally say in the videos Which is let's take a look at this and see if we can find something good here No, what I mean is like, um Good What I'm getting at is like that on a fundamental level There's something that compels you to talk about these things Which means that there's something that you value and obviously it's something that you pull from it And when you're making like claims in a video of like this is why this is this way Or this is why this was executed well Like you are making statements that appeal to like either your values or things that are quantifiable So you've got to pick one. You know what I mean? Like it's got to be one way or another Yeah, you're you're trying to convince people that man of steel is better written than they are letting on, right? Yeah, sure Okay So then then there was such a thing as better or worse Yeah, that is ignored. Yeah So would you say that you would like it? So I'm I'm sorry Fringy. Let me just ask this question You you like man of steel as is if man of steel doesn't have the flaws that We perceive are in the film because we've watched the movie We paid attention to it and we've determined that it has these issues if the movie didn't have those issues You would like it more, right? I barely had that could just yeah me either. Yeah Okay. Yeah. Okay. All right Fringy you go Well, I mean if the answer is yes, then there is a craft here, right? Which means that you recognize that there is such a thing as like well executed or poorly executed But I don't think it's as interesting a conversation like I guess what I'm appealing to is like is it valuable at all? Yeah If it's valuable I'm not gonna make the video you guys go ahead and make the video. No, it's not about whether or not It's not about whether or not you're gonna make the video It's about whether or not you think it's valuable in any way at all like execution. I just as opposed to Yeah, okay, but what So in terms of like when we're talking about execution on a film Like if you're making arguments in a video and then the arguments are just like flat out contradicting the material that's in the film Like can you appreciate that there's something like wrong with that video or that the arguments are bad? And again, it would depend on the arguments being made because if you're if no, I said I said that like if the arguments were like just flat out contradicting like the material that's in the film Yes, I just disagree that The the execution is totally without merit in these films None, I'm sorry. I'm trying to appeal more broadly to like a principal thing as opposed to specifically man of steel it's the idea that like Regardless of what you're going in to get value out of or the things that you think are important that there is a craft to like storytelling or filmmaking And that like how well or poorly executed that is is in some way Quantifiable and like meaningful and that if you're and then if you make arguments To counter that that there is such a thing as like right or wrong and that those things can be taken from the material without Deferring to here's what's that here's what the director said or here's what the writer said about the film Here's what these comics said I can grant you all of that sure Here's a there is an old an old B movie called space mutiny It's very funny. Um, but one of there there's a there's a couple scenes in this movie called space mutiny where a woman is killed by the villain and Very shortly after this woman who has been killed with a laser reappears in the background of a subsequent scene just at her Desk doing her work and the film doesn't address this Um, generally a good go-to example, but would you consider that to be objectively bad filmmaking Yes all right And I think why is that? I don't think me Yeah, it's because you feel it's probably just because I feel it that it's it's fine. Like is there anything else? No, I'm not I'm not giving you comfortable by the way Granting you these things. I'm saying that that's what we've been talking about this whole time Is that it's much more important to you than it is to me? Um, was I was gonna say If it's if it's more important to us than it is to you then why even make a video Defending man of steel from criticisms that you think are inaccurate or unfair To move people away from those criticisms and actually give the film a chance and think about the more You know, this is gonna be more of my this is going to be more of my pragmatic advice But like don't even address the criticisms of that your objective Just make videos talking about like what the writers wanted to do And never talk about the mechanics of the film because that'll be a much better way Of trying to convince people of those things because once you start appealing to arguments Then there's ways that you can end up going really awry In terms of uh, in that case, I'm gonna recommend my twin peaks video I think you should really enjoy it if you're a twin peaks fan and with that I have to I have to get out of here because it's dinnertime. So, uh, it's been fun talking to you guys And thank you for hosting me if it was you and uh, again To the chat about the 2000 comments. I think it got taken a little bit out of context That was a smug Ross All right situation, um the twin peaks video was another one the red light media reference does uh the way you should not look at twin peaks Uh, yeah, but he didn't watch the whole thing. So don't worry. I disagree with jay a lot. So it's all good I'm sure the video is insightful and uh, Well, well if it's as good as your man of steel video Well, my hopes are not high. I think he he doesn't address criticism without right You're just going for your own take on everything that happened in it, right? I'm going for david lynch's take on everything that happened in it. All right. That is quite all right. Yeah, sure Just ask david lynch then um, like I said, I hold the creator's opinion in very high regard Especially when it comes to david lynch. So I think it should be very interesting I think it's totally fair to like be interested in the perspective of uh, Of filmmakers and writers and stuff when it comes to their intention Um, I guess I would only ever advocate that you that It's worth not Unless you're being very selective and careful about when you are Appealing to those things to try and not infuse them with criticisms of the material that's in the film That would be yeah my suggestion personally Yeah, Jordan because can't say in an interview that that had me didn't die Also, the the cuties director can't say well my movie didn't sexually exploit children What they certainly did so all right. I gotta go. I'll see you guys later. See you dude. See you dude Well, that was something well Hoping for a lot more Incredible disappointment. I think that made a lot of sense. Um I think so too. Well, you were talking about the creator's opinion being informing for us. I that was very informing I understand so much more now to be fair right like we're e-fap sort of POV on media is quite hated by a lot of regular critics quote-unquote And I guess but I guess it's I don't know. I guess I'm a little disappointed that like because I feel like I feel like if we're talking about movies and stories And if we're like really passionate about storytelling and narrative That we can be we can be doing a little bit better than that in terms of Well, it sounded like it was just his job I just I find it utterly bizarre because his his video is almost exclusively mechanics and whether or not they're valid Yeah, that's how you jam like that's what we're all about and then he's like, oh, no I don't really care about whether or not it is but themes but message but playtos republic Some people say i'm not nice. I was trying really hard I was trying really hard to be nice just because I get a little bit mad I think Dio was an asshole. Yeah, fuck that. I don't I don't put up with that. I don't put up with that passive aggressive bullshit Well Genuinely, we I think we did the two approaches right because when Yazan did the debate people were annoyed at me for not calling him out on his Shit more and I remember that So like either you could like sort of baby somebody or you can just be like nah I'm not accepting the bad faith and I think you'll piss people off no matter what because I think People in people This is the way you should have gone, you know sort of thing and I think we offered a whole plethora of You know between good cop bad cop mid cop and uh all kinds of cops, you know Well, it's interesting because like the one time like the first time I bring up cuties and he goes Oh, well, that's a different movie as if that deflects from the point that I was trying to make and I'm trying to his problems with thoughts Convey that to him as he is just going on and on and on Completely missing the point what I said and some guys has like shut up and let him talk like he interrupted me you dickhead like I guess I guess what's really surprising about the idea is that for someone who talks so much about concepts and themes and like ideas He was really bad at grasping them for the purpose of just a conversation like hypotheticals Getting ideas apart. I don't know. It might just be because I saw It was a dusty debate relatively recently where he was dealing with someone He was making a point about how a lot of people don't like to commit because of where it will lead them in future Like they they don't know where it goes. They don't know where that road goes But they know if they agree it might lead them some way they don't want to be and so instead they'll be like Maybe I do. Maybe I don't oh, yeah I guess all I would ever appeal to is that you should be happy to be led to a certain point If it means that you're going to be more correct going forward Well, yeah, it's like you sense that in the struggle it is to get him to answer basic questions Just just just to get his take on something it is a struggle to just have him answer a question You're like this does not bode well people on the internet are very afraid of Answering questions because it will get you led into a gotcha. Like that's the worry Don't get got, you know I mean That is the theme of this stream. I think one of the things I think the mistake we all made was assuming that he had like a Sort of system behind his perspective Uh Didn't honestly the his system was as simple as what I like is what I'd like to talk about and what is good It's a it's like a circular thing that just Inescapably accounts for everything Yeah, honestly, I I Am not super interested in watching the rest of his video only because he more or less said Yeah, because he more or less said that like, oh, well, I mean that was just clickbait and this is hyperbolic And I'm just offering the best defense I possibly can and like who cares if it actually lines up like I didn't walk away from this conversation Trusting him to convey his ideas and decisions honestly I have to like I trust the video more than I trust We got just now like he might have stumbled in making I was gonna say that's a fair point. What's happened here almost is like We gave him like three examples or whatever and he conceded an old woman said like I don't care And so it's like, whoa, you don't sound like the person then why are you here? Well, yeah, if you don't care about what you think and it doesn't nothing it bothers you We may have to engage in a little bit of death at the author Oh My god The content that we're viewing is of a person who cares about mechanics being accurate I think yeah, I think that's fair. The person doesn't seem to agree with the person's work Yeah, this is an example of but also But also he doesn't remember it, but also he stands by it Yeah, um, isn't everything we covered the video recently where it was it was Alan Moore It was like, oh, I regret my involvement Uh, in what happened like the Joker movie. That was the R rated superheroes. Yeah, the R There are examples of artists who go on to regret their work, you know, and well the work stands against I'm I didn't think I'd ever meet someone who was like fuck death of the author entirely. It's like wow Yeah, that's uh On the internet mostly from people who don't know what death of the author actually entails I don't believe anybody holds that position Like actually I think they must just be mistaken for a moment. Yeah deep down Some misconception about what it actually entails that you can usually unpick that's been my experience And he also thinks that he has defined 100 what David Lynch is exact interpretation Like when he said it's not my take it's David Lynch is like wow All right. Yeah, but I don't need your video. I should just go talk to David Lynch The entire eFap cast hostile against a single person now eFap gloating over their win Regardless of whether he lost or not is kind of lame lol. I don't I don't think anyone won That's like beating up a third grader Like whatever man, I don't care either way Um, I just wish it was more interesting There's no way that there's gonna be not everybody's gonna be happy with that conversation That doesn't really bother me. I was more interested in the ideas This definitely feels like that that South Park episode where it's like, you know, the other team didn't show so we win No, nobody wins Yeah, it was like a little bit like into this janitor It's he sort of just was like a fuck it whatever was like even at times not even paying attention not to say that about Twin perfect, but like a similar experience where it's just it's very slow And you have to clarify everything and there was a lot of Immediate jumps to absurds, which is really annoying Like oh, do you guys want to go out? Oh, I want to go into the ocean like No, like like down the down to the park I don't know. I didn't you didn't have to go to a random weird place that we really didn't want to go to um, not to mention by the way, I think the This won't uh, I don't know what like his discord, by the way It's probably filled up with a couple people who really like Snyder's work There's a good chance of that and if they watch this discussion, they're not going to be happy about what he said Not in the how it imagines. Oh, yeah You would think But uh people who are snyzak Snyder film lovers who knows what they think Well, like what kind of audience do you think you go by making videos like this people who value getting the details Correct about Snyder stuff like quote-unquote and then they'd be like, yeah See they are objectively strong and then he comes onto a podcast. He's like, okay. I was wrong. I don't care though But whatever something made him of all the videos you could talk about and devote time to an effort He watched the video he says nine times So i'm like you clearly are very passionate about this In some way there must be something about this movie that you really want to defend Do you have an investment in the honor of this movie? I love how we like we asked him if he uh if he thinks that man of steel is better than uh better written than civil war is like You know, I don't know and so we just simply ask him He's like, oh, I haven't seen civil war uh outside of the one time from several years ago. Like, okay How many times did you watch me out of steel nine? I feel like it's weird because before you know when you look at all of the comments and stuff and it's like man And the explanation is not super cool either. It's just like oh people were telling me This is what it was like. So I just assumed that to be the case. It's like man. That's uh, not very charitable Yeah, I'm sure you wouldn't want people to uh have that position towards you if people said uncharitable things about you I don't know. It's just like um If you hear that somebody's making certain arguments like it's probably worthwhile to actually check and see You would think so fringy you would think interpreted correctly or not and then of course, you know when it's like I think the general approach to reacting to a video is usually going in as charitable as possible Especially if you don't know who they are and then usually as it progresses and your sanity begins to dwindle You just naturally become less and less charitable Yeah Well, we don't want to answer yes and no questions like man. I am just uh stop wasting my goddamn time Yeah, but that is definitely like internet sort of um debate bro. Can't well not debate bro Usually you're accused of being a debate bro if you do these if you try and get a yes or no out of someone Yeah, I just want to know what you think just tell me I thought it was really interesting when he said he didn't want to commit to saying it was a bad movie because it's he He likes the movie like it was offensive to the movie Yeah As if zack snider is like really going to be upset if he finds out that you didn't like his film It's just like that is so alien to ifa like the idea that it could possibly be considered something you should avoid doing because it Could upset the film like we're just like oh The film's the thing it's it's it doesn't have feelings Especially this movie. I suppose it's a minute I suppose it's the process of like having saying that but also holding the position you really enjoy it feels like he He shouldn't do that like it's it just those two things can't coexist in his brain sort of thing. I guess like it's uncomfortable I was just annoyed by his refusal to commit to any set standard Me he he's always allude to it. This is better. This is you know this more than this This is that more than that through many different avenues So many were tried I did like five myself like to to to tease out a sort of something more definitive than whether or not He liked it. It would eventually circle back to well. Yeah, because I like it Like oh, yeah, oh like I disagree. That's what we've been talking about this whole time. Um, it's like man I thought we're getting some Couple of things that he did agree to like the man in the chair reading the script He was like, yeah, so that would be like fucked. It's like aha Excellent, so there is a thing But he also agreed that there is such a thing as just like fundamentally good and bad story crafts But then it's like oh, but it doesn't matter early sign. I think it matters Yeah, you'd have to go to the super basics like is the room just as good as the prestige is one better than the other Are some films better than other films? Is the super super basic stuff just to see where you are and this thing kept getting glimpses because it was like Oh, well, I think the film did well and it is philosophy You can't really have anything but an opinion when it comes to execution philosophy Then get him to admit that that's not the case and then get him to admit that man of steel fucks up when it's not the case The thing and then he was like, well, yeah, that would be a small law And it's like wait, but if that's possible Surely we can eventually have the whole thing is destroyed depending on the references And that's You know, you try and get there, but you don't quite make it sometimes It was I'm gonna get a drink. I will be right back Yeah, I add to another another one for the books everyone Going down to the anals of history. Oh, yeah, this is uh one of the first One of the first videos that we've like just stopped watching like we just sort of gave up midway Well, it's not so much give up. It's that yeah, it's like, what's the value to pull for this video? That's the point. We didn't complete the video Um, I don't mind. Yeah, I'm not like There is still No, I don't want to I don't I think um, I think that the conversation was elucidating. Um, At least yeah the way that he approaches film And I don't know that there's anything that we because of course it's like all that's gonna happen is like Oh, these arguments are bad. It's like, yeah, but it doesn't matter. This is like, you know That I mean, who cares if he cares about the arguments Um, I guess that's that but it's almost like how do you continue engaging with it when seemingly like the only objective Uh of the critique is hey look, all right. They they had a point to make you know what I mean like I'm fine continuing if you would like to just um I mean I'm I'm I'm game for it These are going to try and be attempts at like we just got past him saying it makes sense If you think about it the the story doesn't line up with the crime scene because everyone involved in looking at the crime scene would have been Corrupted by lex Like that was the reasoning that's a terrible argument. And then if you said, okay, fine, I don't care I'd be like, I don't care that you don't care. That was the argument and it was wrong The argument is there the argument exists. Yeah, uh, I get what you mean. Yeah, that's true And so because there are people out there who there's gonna be someone in chat right now who fucking hate us Really like his video And they're like, I'm willing to hear out what their responses may be to the coming arguments or something Yeah, I suppose I guess um, oh, I saw somebody mentioned the whole clickbait thing. Yeah, that was a mistake You don't don't whenever you're trying to defend yourself. Don't say oh, well, lola was clickbait It was weird a lot of yeah At least say like I believed it when I wrote it or I didn't realize it was whatever Is like I really thought that it was wrong something like that, you know Well, then I start to wonder is it that he just didn't want to commit to the idea that yeah I did think people could be wrong about movies and because that leads you other places So he has to then say I since wrong, which means the video is fucked or Um, I still agree with that and that leads him down another rabbit hole of having to fight for the position And he can't win because it's man of steel Yeah, I don't know just commit to the video screwed But like it's okay I think it's pretty fucking interesting that we get told by a lot of people who are upset with our man of steel coverage That like it is very good and like one of the core content creators that made videos defending it just said like Yeah, lots of it doesn't make any fucking sense, but I still love it like right Like that that's a moment of like well my work is done. It's like you could love whatever the fuck you want I'm just here to tell you whether or not it makes sense Reminds me of the janitor debate Yeah, yeah, I mentioned uh earlier like it felt reminiscent They're from different worlds in a way, right like, you know the um The spider-man 2 debate, sorry The amazing spider-man 2 debate that one was like a fight over the Accuracy of references and how much they impact the story while this one was like a fight over whether that's even something We could have a discussion about Like it was it's almost like a meta conversation But you think it would be because his video was about those things, but I guess not That's something I think one of us asked at one point, right? It's like why did you make a video like this if this isn't what you care about like that's a really weird Thing to do Well I'm kind of disappointed Is there another video on bbs? I mean this one is uh I'm still more than happy to go through whatever the more arguments about lex. I'm fine with going through it All right, let's continue them very well. Uh cabelo's not back there, but I'm sure it's fine if you Oh, well while he's gone. I'll go ahead and get a Top off my drink myself. Yeah, I mean, so if I need coffee Because we're we're We're saving that other video for the offline e-fap, right? Yeah, I mean the way this is going it might be that we do um The offline one we we we do the super chats on i'm not sure yet Maybe half and half just because we're at five hours and we haven't even finished half the video yet Um You know how it be how it go how it do This is e-fap after all true Fatalitism do nostalgia critic man of steel Why is it really bad really because it's nostalgia critic people get upset when we cover nostalgia critic because he's very annoying Remember what he did to van helsing Come on chat. You don't want that Please we suffered enough So frustrated just the idea of like the execution Of uh of what they're trying to go for doesn't matter as much as the point that they were trying to make like The execution is the point that you're trying to make that's what I yeah I mean, this is what gets so weird about the whole death the author thing because if I make you know pingoo Then i'm like this is about communism and the The proliferation of wolves in certain areas to bring down the population of other animals you should be like What do you mean? There's none of that is here It's like, you know what I'm just gonna watch the thing and then draw from the thing instead of listening to you because Like why would I even but then sometimes the author can give you loads of like Oh, this is this this is this and then you can look at the film be like, oh, shit. That is that nice but that's You know, that's not even like it's only like are you violating death the author's like well No, that's just like a friend making an argument at that point. It's no different from anybody making any argument about What is in there and what you can find is Nostalgia critic didn't like man of steel the review is a collab with angry joe who does like it Huh Is that like they both make arguments? Like on like like one of them presents boring against it. I guess. Yeah Alrighty Sounds like a weird It could be frustrating because like maybe we'd be dealing with angry joe giving terrible Defenses, but then we'd also be dealing with nostalgia critic making terrible criticisms. Yeah, possibly like oh, it's I don't know. I'm trying to think it was man of steel. What would be a bad criticism of man of steel Product placement. Yeah, and then angry joe would be like well You know movies need product placement and then that's the end of that discussion That's an explanation. That's something That's how bar that that's how bar bar the low has gotten that's how bar the low has gotten Is we're just like, uh, I mean that's that's something I mean like you're engaging in the conversation. That's pretty cool Oh boy So we can You know, I think that I think it's uh regrettable that we covered that stop having flying superhero fights in movies Video earlier than we we did would have been interesting covering that after having rewatch man of steel Oh for what reason Ah, just I mean the fact that he tries to frame the the issue with man of steels climax being That superman and zot are flying rather than all the destruction that they're causing Yeah Definitely who made that video they're incredible destruction That would be I can't remember Nerd stalgic. I think the name is Hmm Yeah, it's a video that says the problem with superhero movies is flight Uh, well, that's dumb. It does look kind of silly, but no, that's not the argument It's that whenever they fight in flight the audience. No, they cannot die That doesn't make any sense I agree. Yeah It makes me want to write a superhero movie where that happens specifically just to spite them All righty. We're all here Yeah Nice and mellowed out again. Excellent Incinerating bodies to believe that lex luther has the power to change the story to be whatever he wants it to be But just in case you need to see it the extended cut of the film shows exactly what I just described Lex luther's goons recovering bullets and burning bodies to frame superman You don't recover the bullets for oh How in the fuck did they recover those bullets? You don't So if you're going around a compound shooting a whole bunch of bullets So if you miss and a bullet goes over or into a wall or into a person or ricochets off a rock and bounces somewhere They flatten out. They split into parts Like give me a fucking break. You don't know how bullets work. Do you No, I'm gonna go around and just recover all the bullets. They have a specialized magnet It's it's locked in on the signal from the special lex corp bullets The lex corp magnet at all makes perfect sense, dude, like oh, yeah, and he is rich So he could have made all that so it makes total Wasn't that gunpowder gunshot residue a gunpowder residue? Probably all of this There'll be all kinds of things probably not that'll just be in the air If you shoot close enough to something Yeah, you'll have all the casings. You'll have all the projectiles themselves um You will have I mean if If anyone forgets a magazine or anything like that or if any accessory falls off you have all the The footprints on the ground It inked us in chat saying I thought the bullets were designed to burn up after they were fired them What the fuck is the bullet that was in Lois Lane's book? Uh They burned up after their fire. So what kills the person these arguments can't coexist though They collected the bullets also the bullets burned after impact Unless they hit a journal the book that Lois Lane recovers That one was faulty I don't you can't expect Lex Luthor to have all those bullets work perfectly. It makes sense Again, this is all ignoring the fact that you will see bullet wounds in the dead bodies Absolutely, you know, you'll be breaking bones and holes in them. Like I hope nobody Is still fighting this Yeah, no one's like they were all killed by flamethrower. That's how they died They all were killed by the flamethrower blood as somebody mentioned in chat blood everywhere exactly Yeah, the blood splatters they kicked sandal. I mean the inside the inside of that tank when the grenade goes off and yeah That's gonna be messy in there. We ain't cleaning that up. I've got it. It'll take more than 409 to get that spotless I've got it. So Willed engine they took a bunch of assault rifles near the willed engine with the bullets in them They got them covered in the willed engine goo Then they took them away Then during this battle they fired all those they took all the bullets out of those guns because they don't want to Everyone's over fire. Okay, so they go away. They activate a black hole From the phantom zone that only sucks up phantom juice stuff. And so it sucks all the bullets up done That would actually create more bullet holes, wasn't it? Well, I was gonna say back out in a different angle If you picture this seed the black hole opens that all the bodies start wriggling moving flag up But then tear apart as the bullets come out It's like magneto when he escapes prison Go no, it's everywhere This was a really bad complicated plan It's like, oh, well, this was the only plan we had. It's like this was a really weird plan I guess like, okay, this is all we could do Uh, but yeah, I don't remember them being shown to pick up bullets But it wouldn't matter even if they are they're not collecting all these bullets They can't hide the bullet wounds the flamethrower deaths are hilarious that they think anyone would think that's Superman We can just move right along But let me strap see this to reason that Lex manipulated the story Lex, you you will have a reason to begin with yeah Okay, so that only that sentence only works if we are assuming that the definition of reasonable is In that universe, could it be physically possible? And that is so that is such a bowlar that it basically makes zero sense and it is totally worth it The intent of the rider though, it's weird. This has nothing to do with the intent of the rider or the director Well, this is all on us. Yeah, this is totally on us most of his videos that we've covered Haven't appealed to the writer saying like I think he's done it a couple of times here and there, but most of the time He doesn't they're sprinkled here and there, but they're they're definitely not. Yeah, it's not like um I can't even really think of another example. I guess um Anomaly ink would be the closest example with the george lucas interviews and This is why this is why this is why To kind of expand on things but that's sort of the closest I come up with Well, we've never ever seen it to this Yeah, the story to be whatever he wants it to be But just in case you need to see it the extended cut of the film shows exactly what I just described Lex Luthor's goons recovering bullets and burning bodies to frame superman But let me stress you do not need to see this reason that Lex manipulated the story Yeah, I don't believe that that's possible. I don't think that they could do this There's nothing you could show me from the film that would make me believe Outside of the ludicrous things we've been mentioning, but even they don't work. Yeah, even what we said So Doesn't do it Yeah, like everyone would have to take count of the bullets fired then they'd have to find them all They would have to bring them back tally them up to make sure as many bullets were fired were recovered And that doesn't even matter because it leaves bullet holes and bullet wounds and bullet ricochets and all that stuff No, for that you then need the time stone to kind of like reverse a little bit and take away the bullet holes A mother box Dude, the way to do it Yes Would have been to get everybody on the ground like so you get all the guns on them You just like I have a surrender drop you got get them all down and then have like Oh, I don't know if you could they must exist something like a high powered Laser burning thing right you could you do something like poke them all through the head with it Maybe could make one. Yeah, maybe maybe flex could make one for lack of a better term a light saber But like an equivalent and then you burn through each of their skulls one by one And you make it look like Superman did it as best you can That would be something I think what I would What I would have done is if it was me if I was evil Lex Luthor and I was trying to frame Superman for something I would orchestrate a kind of disaster um where he couldn't Maybe I would hide people like I would orchestrate a Building collapsing and I would trap people in like a lead box or something like that So that he couldn't see those people so that they'd only be discovered in the rubble after the building comes down And he thinks he saved everyone because he can't find them. Right. Maybe something like that Yeah, yeah something and that's just off the top of my head and I think now we're almost accidentally developing a really cool Movie where there's this Lex is the head of a we do that a lot Mahler Desperately trying to create situations that are already a part of other situations where Superman believes He's fucking up or people have reason to believe that he is fucking up and every time It's really careful really clever And it's just slowly turning him away from the public and Lex meanwhile is advocating You know you've got to watch out for this Superman guy like he's uh You're judging from what we see, you know that could have been the movie, but they made this thing instead Someone said rags, but then you'd say he would have heard them. Oh, we would have knocked them out Right, we would have knocked them out with Lex Luthor get internet gas And they would have been collapsed and I would have had the insides padded just to make sure Uh, so they would have been super quiet So, yeah remember Superman can't hear through lead What if What if uh, Lex Luthor's men used plub bullets instead of regular bullets Oh, I don't know. Maybe I've heard that they can shoot through anything Especially when fired out of a desert eagle Mahler, you've seen the movie more recently. Does the CIA ever talk to Lois Lane about the incident in her version of it? Wait, sorry repeat that. Oh shit The cia who was who was coming in to the aftermath of this scenario. They know that Lois Lane survived, right? Well, so this is someone I think we even highlight in the e-fat movies. We're like, um Lois's testimony is one of the things that gets referenced as reasons why this wouldn't work. So Lois would say Yeah, so they were terrorists, but they were also this security group They were all like americans one of them was russian And uh, they all betrayed. Yeah, people seemingly Um, their bodies aren't here. They left nobody saw them, which by the way is impossible They shot people and look at all the bullets the cia were at the scene and they were they had like I don't know what the language for this is But you know like probably not an ac 130, but they had something watching the area, you know, I mean So they wouldn't know where those guys went. Also superman would have seen the tracks He would have seen the the motorcycle He would have been able to find those people Yeah, so, uh, yeah, absolutely to all of that. I was just wondering if in the movie there's any CIA followed up with Lois like hey, what happened back there? Well, you have to assume they didn't you have to assume they didn't because it wouldn't make sense That's insane Correct. However, lex luke luke lexer. He gave them insane Pills and he slipped it into their jolly ranchers So that when they ate them they turned insane. So they would follow up with Lois slain What the fuck are you talking about rags? And now it's so smart. It's the only explanation. You lack imagination. He spiked their jolly ranchers. It's in the film. It's there's precedent He gives people jolly ranchers. He's a scientist man It all works. It all fits. It's like poetry. It rhymes So fucking smart I know he's a genius. I didn't know that zacks nighter was smarter than I did Someone said most people don't know what a CIA is Clearly zacks nighter had no fucking clue what the cia were. Maybe he thought they were like Accountants like a union a guild. I think we forgot to uh, I just wanted to re-highlights. I thought it was really funny But it was I'm probably to quote this badly, but But it was um, I don't think zacks nighter is that that bad and then for you was like, okay Zaks nighter is like a bad director. I don't think he's a bad director. No, I think he's a bad director Michael Bay is a self-aware director. I said that. Yeah, it was funny. It was because it was it just the pause that I think is Why are you saying it late? What the fuck? He's not here. It's fine. Yeah. Well Michael Bay is a fun Filmmaker Yes, he is I I've never been bored watching a transformers movie Same thing. Oh, maybe not for pil harbour that film's got weird the Everyone hates their love triangle, but the action scenes in pil harbour are pretty good from that's why I watch a pro harbour movie Yeah, um anyway Let's look at the congress payoff gaining him a legal method of importing the kryptonite as well as access to general zod's body and ship So this is one of those things where you say this is the reality This is the reality Wow, this shouldn't be the reality of the situation. It's like yes, but it is I know that's sort of the problem. I know we're just sort of skimming over it, but oh, yeah, the purpose was for it It's the point of the scene. Yeah Zaksiders intention was for it to make sense Like setting setting aside that he has to leverage to get him access the fact that it's unsupervised access insane unbelievable It's um like I could I could believe the government would allow A super wealthy like pharmaceutical or technology or bioengineering company to have supervised access to zod's body I'd absolutely believe that because those would be the entities that would be able to do Especially if they're like we've got a material that relates to this thing's ship And we think it couldn't I don't know we'd like to test it on the body to be able to determine something Sure, but giving him full control of the ship and the body is absolutely insane The government would never do that. So once everyone is as as wacky and strange and off-putting as Lex Luthor I wouldn't give him 15 minutes alone with a dead body. I'm just saying yeah, but to be fair maybe I'm trying to make sense of it. Maybe that guy really You know what they say it's the old saying the way to a man's heart is a jelly rancher in the mouth. Yeah So There you go. Just carry that jelly rancher in And you get whatever you need. I will find him I will suck your cherry lollipop So that he can gain your knowledge of kryptonians and their technology what you wish list Access it's you can't show this as if it proves anything Like in terms it reminds me of just like oh Impossible thing happens and then you play a clip impossible thing did indeed happen Like yeah, yeah, we're we're still on step one here. Yeah, I saw this scene too. I took issue with it I don't know what to say. It was fucking dumb Remember when he cuts off his Fucking fingers Well fingerprints and then you that works and then the ship is like yo, do you want full control? He's like, yeah Oh shit at zod's finger. What's up? So stupid lois wanders into that ship and tries to murder her but with him It's like ah, she didn't have the finger slice. Of course. If you only had zod's severed hand. Just make it around the whole thing Terrible sever hands that gets you way more than full access How come it wouldn't be a banned operation on the ship for resurrecting things if the council decreed it like You know abolished as an operation. That's world building moller. We don't do that here Like oh the council says you're not allowed to do this. I will do it anyway, but the council Also interestingly when I was rewatching the film the voice in the ship I recognized some of the way the words it was saying I was like I recognize this voice You sound like hillhouse mum ready kruger I was like you sound like hillhouse mum and I checked down to be it's hillhouse mum is the voice of the ship Oh You you gino well, uh, I thought I heard that they wanted her as catwoman Hmm wait for this you know Yeah, for this universe. Yeah, I think so She's she's not old but she's older right If they played her off with that in mind, I could see it working I was gonna say I think she's probably the perfect age right because this is this is 20 years past like the era Old batman. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. So yeah, she would be the super Like she is the the super she's this universe's black widow almost She's the super sleuth the mega spy the cat burglar You know Very clever the feme fatale. She kicks people the grammy the granny She does not look right Oh, she's fantastic and she's a really good actress bonus. Yeah. Yes Yeah, to the wreck Kryptonian ship Done done just like that remains the dead alien for testing. All right. Well, I play this like yeah, I was there He got access to all these things. Yes, it's insane. That's what we said. This is the problem The complaint is that this is insane Okay How does showing that part How does a cherry jolly grass by elixir? No, why would anyone say this? This is not anything. Why why is this on screen? How does a cherry jolly rancher by lex luther access to zod's body and ship? So no one thinks that it was jolly rancher that sealed the deal. Nobody people don't say this The people who did say it's that this a russian account trying to shit on the film. Okay, don't worry about it. It's fine Oh, yeah, why would you respond to this one? This the only way I would want to respond to this is if I had evidence that someone said it Yeah, I wouldn't believe somebody would say this and if they did it was probably a joke I would definitely show it on screen like no, this is a real thing. Yeah Yeah, and it would have like maybe three upvotes. So, you know that four people out there think that this is a you know You know At this point, I would not be surprised if Politicians and the snatterverse were bought out by like if you just give him candy candy. Yeah In this joyous oppressive world You know, it actually explains a lot because he tried to buy off holly hunter with piss. So if that's close to work In the dcu politicians are bought off with candy. That's how you bribe the jaws of piss I came here to eat jolly ranchers and pee in jars and I'm all out of jolly I Don't know how people can't see this for what it is Lex knows he can get what he wants and he knows this guy knows he's um It doesn't anything it's just remember it's like look at how weird the bad guy is Are we making a thematic argument that lex can do whatever he wants and thus him shoving a jolly rancher into This government officials face is on point. It's like wow The cherry jolly rancher are symbolic I would have expected more people's issue with this to be the product placement We've been calling it jolly rancher this whole time without a second thought and that's a product Yeah, um my I guess if I was to be as It's like objective as I can about what the issue is is just um What weird behavior from both of them that I don't even know would match either their characters That's the best I could offer but it's very bizarre my go-to criticism is much more subjective. It's like this fucking weird Yeah Oh, yeah, the old jolly rancher I would compare assert dominance I would compare this to electricity fixing electros tooth gap. I call it a toothpick criticism To the pig wait, so I I will say fix ain't helping you out with that jolly rancher. It melts away To try to make something more than just like a nitpick that it's a strange line The fact that he he thinks this guy is you know, a scientist who wants to help out and all that stuff And then he's acting really strangely and I feel like it should put this guy off You know, yes, that's what I was gonna say. Yeah, I should know that That's the most objective thing I could think of it is this guy is super weird. Don't let him near that body He's trying to shove jolly ranchers into my mouth He's gonna shove his jolly rancher in zod's mouth He's gotta work his he's gotta work his way towards the helicopter penis He's gotta you start you start off with the jolly rancher move your way And then you move slowly. Yeah, you move slowly but surely towards the helicopter penis But I'll start with the jolly rancher. You guys can't prove that off screen He did drop trow and do a helicopter dick in front of that guy. That's true. That's true And it is logically you don't need to see that to assume it true And I think the jolly ranch is into the mouths of his viewers as he spins Yeah, and um, I I think that we're doing a good job. I think we're doing the lord's work here Mm-hmm knows he's gonna get what that is. This is Lex showing off that he's making this guy is I'm convinced that anybody who can you know, he lets him Yeah, no the guy lets him put it in there Just does he don't realize that there was such a thing as being able to just keep your mouth And just move close to goods, you know that humans react to things, right? I don't care I don't care who you are to me in terms of power dynamics. I'm not letting you stuff things in my mouth Could you imagine could you imagine like if I don't know if you if you're in a room with like Joe Biden or something and he just put a I can't kind of imagine that actually yeah You know imagine like just any powerful politician or something. They got a jolly ranch. It's like This is just another move of corruption by big jolly rancher to control our centers It's symbolic of how politicians are bought off You choose this there are people use assholes. I've licked and I wouldn't let them stick jolly ranchers into my mouth because that's fucking weird if I was I'm supposed to be defending this movie. I probably skip this. I'm a larky A granny's peach tea rancher Jolly ranchers had their chance they did Understand what's happening simply feels uncomfortable watching it, which you're supposed to and is using that as an excuse A weird of the scene the point of the scene is to feel uncomfortable watching it. All right. The point is that it's weird and bizarre. Yeah Doesn't make sense. I added to their list of things. They don't like about the film so they can make fun of it some more No, like don't you think it's fucking weird Like that. I wish I when he was here. He probably wouldn't have answered. He would have talked about bullshit But I would have asked him don't you think the jolly rancher thing was like bizarre I can tell that you're still quite upset about Well, that's what we think this wasted time, which he wouldn't you know, he's not out of the realm of reason. Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, I'm not upset I'm really not I'm disappointed But I'm not upset I would be legitimately curious to ask him like don't you think the jolly rancher thing was fucking bizarre Yeah, but like he said here that was the point Yeah, if he said no, it wasn't weird then I would just take that for what it is Yeah When lex gains control of the ship he immediately learns as much as he can Do you like how we just skipped over that what he gains control of the ship? Anyway moving on like oh, man Oh, yeah, it's like our our basic premise is this now moving on Including methods he could use to destroy superman the kryptonian archive contains knowledge from methods He could use to destroy superman as though he asked the robot How could I kill superman that goes well you could mix your blood with the corpse you got over there and Create a giant orc. I don't know. It's weird that you're asking. It's weird that you're asking me this zod What's gotten into you? Yeah Are you feeling our case on you feel it all right? Like sensors indicate that you're a lot smaller and skinnier than they were last time we met it, but it's kind of weird What happens, but it's there's no way you would have cut off his finger and pretended to be him So I guess it's all right ships yours What does does it say it detects? That it's him or does it detect that like it's a new entity or does it assume it's he's all It's Yeah, he's specifically got the fingerprint. Well, I mean once he gets into the pool, I guess, I don't know Why did he need a fingerprints like you know what I mean? And also it's a good thing the pool didn't like kill lex or gave him a weird Yeah, like that weird kryptonian amniotic sack flea. He's a genius. So he knows how what to do. It's so great Yeah, they said the people in Prometheus were smart too Yeah, oh he did make a video explaining all the plot holes in Prometheus or attempting to That's a real thing you did. No No, that's that I'm not that's not a meme. He made that video And look here's the thing I really enjoy It's it's really stupid, but I enjoy it. I enjoy it Yeah, but his video was like, uh, dude, obviously they wouldn't tell them what the mission is until they get there Duh, it's like that's something that you'd sign up For it's the same level. It's the same level of analysis. I just checked it All it says is would you like to assume command zod was already in command of that ship? Yeah, oh that is weird Would you like to further would you like to confirm you're still in command? Would you like maybe zod was like no give it to a military base or whatever? Hey you would you like to be the commander of this base? It's like Yeah, okay. He's just he's the ship is just asking zod for consent because you have to ask every time Every time he gets all the ship. It's like, do you still want to be the commander by the way? Like, yeah. Yeah Yeah, look what a weird question. Are you okay? Have a little lonely. I'm the only ship left Different worlds good Teach me One such method ends up being the creation of doomsday Preparing chrysalis and commencing metamorphosis See that preparing chrysalis. That was one of her lines that I was like, oh, I can I can hear hillhouse mom Listen to it again. See if you know what I mean. I can't even explain what I'm talking about really Ends up being the creation told me. Yeah, listen out for us if you can hear it of doomsday Preparing chrysalis and commencing metamorphosis. Yep. I hear it Metamorphosis is where I get it the strongest But I wouldn't have even really noticed but I sort of said now that you're it was all of her lines I could just pick up pieces and I was like, what am I hearing and then I was like, oh, shit I think it's hillhouse mom. I like it when that happens. It's fun Lex Luthor says that he hate... Wait, oh, I'm before before we move on I just wanted to say that like, you know regarding his His attempt to explain the motivations of Lex Luthor. He talks about how like oh how Lex Luthor just wanted power Even though we don't really see that in the movie at all It would be kind of interesting if we're gonna try to rewrite this movie If Lex Luthor thinks he's gonna turn himself into a super being and he turns into an abomination instead Yeah, like it's it's actually him that gets transformed Yeah, you can have a nice classic story about yeah, the villain's greed. He takes it too far and yeah He turns into an abomination and I'll show comic fans are like that or not. I don't know but I mean could be Oh, fuck them I But then he creates one That makes no sense The story Lex Luthor tells about black people from tyrants is just the reason he gives to congress so he can gain their trust You know dad was born in east germany and every other saturday he had to march in a parade and wave flowers at tyrants So he's saying that the idea that he wants to be able to stop them if they get out of hand is bullshit That's not his actual motivation Even though that creates way bigger issues repeats several times though like throughout the movie There's this constant that he wants to stop superman, which is why it's such a problem that he creates doomsday Yeah, any reason why he wanted he any reason why he would want to stop superman doomsday is superman worse And why would an isos material to use against the kryptonians so the day does not come Your children are waving daisies at a reviewing stand He's perfectly fine with kryptonians as long as they're his idea his He's finding kryptonians as long as they're his idea creation of doomsday is his own decision an exercise of his own power His own Problem with that turn out to be that that makes it worse. What's the point of what it? No, wait, what's the point of this graph? We don't care about the mechanics All that matters is that zacks not have wanted it to be this way. Why don't we even that's the point of the scene Oh, but what if but however, however, we're gonna have to take exactly what is the point of the graph Whatever he says it look at this graph I don't uh frame superman for government support and thus he can yes, but mattering doesn't matter Is he trying to say like creating doomsday Is him like showing that he has power or Fulfilling his motivation of wanting to have more power is creating doomsday because those two things. I don't think quite line up Like no, I don't know. I walk up to a machine that it's like you can create a monster sweet press the button. Oh, man Do I feel powerful? I press that button and made a monster They would make more sense of his idea with doomsday was to create a subservient creature That was not malicious or evil or anything like that It was like he was trying to create his idealized version of what a god being is and it just went to shit because his blood was I don't know. Maybe he had aids or something And so his blood like corrupted the process And then it turned out to be a monster and he was undone by his own his desire to Whatever that would make more sense. Yeah, that'd be interesting. But we got this Yeah, hooray, and now we have to have youtube videos from people who don't actually care about the mechanics Explaity the mechanics of this crazy graph like it's that's that's the legacy of the dc There's a crazy graph his own way of proving he can defeat superman by any means possible He else. Sorry. I need to roll that back possible And his idea his creation of doomsday is his own decision an exercise of his own power His own way of proving he can defeat superman by any means possible Yeah, but what about any means possible? Yeah, that's a really weird when you create doomsday Problem is mainly the doomsday part Yeah like if you created a It would be like what if you had lex luther? He creates an infant to raise as like his own to nurture as To raise to be that being that he idolizes That would have been more interesting. We kind of learned about lex luther But he makes doomsday who's a big scary monster with laser eyes So that's cool, too. Yeah He gives that doomsday is going to obey him in the making of footage lex can be seen proclaiming this ancient Obey only me So that's something the movie so it's not in the movie which is kind of an issue But even if it was how does it obey him? I would say we fail twice first and nothing else supports this and second. It's not even in the fucking film Yeah, does he think that because I have control of the ship if I Jerry rig some kind of weird monstrous abomination with blood and Kryptonian amniotic fluid That it will listen to me. It won't even understand words It's an abomination. That's was was the payoff supposed to be that he's like Do as I say that doomsday does but they changed that Because I'm starting to think now wait if they recorded that what if He does commander to kill superman and then it just infinitely wants to kill superman And that that's because I'm starting to think like would that make the film better? Marginally better I would say I think it improves slightly if you had it that way, but they didn't Yeah, for some reason. Yeah, I think so Oh But why would it want to kill superman? Well, this is the thing the only Explanation you could possibly have is that the robot is like we've we've manipulated this particular Engineer meant to follow any command you make just be like, oh I guess that's just how it works Yeah, it would make it marginally better You know Because then you wouldn't have the problem of like what the fuck did you create this monster for? Yeah, after it kills superman now you just have a monster in your hands Oh, what they could have done was doomsday was being like secretly developed from the start But it takes time to grow like that's why he gets the finger To to to like take back to his lab and take the dna and splice and whatever or or whatever But basically he he he like I'm really trying here with this movie What he does is he Takes like his brain scans and he puts them into the krypton machine So that it can put like his brainwaves into Doomsday so like doomsday is like a version of him, but with all the superpowers I mean, yeah, I guess Fuck it. Try it. I know Yeah, it's just hard And then it killed. Yeah, and then the the big lex kills the original lex and the original lex is like Oh, no, and then he says a line about something then he dies and then Doomsday lex goes out to finally kill superman himself And then they fight and then superman punches him into space and then lex is like, I should have thought of that Xabi can't hear him because it's space. Yeah Yeah, I think we did good work here today gentlemen Link we saved the film It's funny because um If you were on sat, right and and zach was like, uh, we'll have him go up But the nuke will fuck it up and you'll go back down and then you're like, oh well Yeah, but he would send him back up and boot him out Then you could I know for a fact is I could be like, well, that's boring though. So we're not gonna have that happen Oh, yeah, that's the thing I said earlier The reason it didn't happen is because we've already done that in this movie. We wanted a fire scene We wanted them to fight and we wanted superman to kill himself. Well, not kill himself You know get him to kill Zach you've got a How about this Zach? Uh, it can kind of fly like let's make it so that it's like a like Iron monger can fly an iron man, but he's like really shit make it so that he has flight But it's really like weak, but it's good enough Even then though you could just punch him into the sun. I don't know Well, I guess even if it's I yeah, you just keep going, you know, this is the problem with superman He's really fucking you gotta go out of your way to make a threat for him He's really hard to write around Yeah, he's gonna fuck you up quite a bit He won't destroy you In the final cut, he knows that was removed for some reason in Because Zach Snyder makes bizarre directing No, it's because that's what Zach Snyder intended. So you can't even consider it. He doesn't intend I would also yeah, it's not even on the extended edition. I would also theorize that you remove this element because it Uh, if if so, let's pretend for a second that he did say that and it was true I suppose we would be like Damn lex, you want to have like this crazy mutant thing just smashing around trying to kill Super I kind of in some ways it answers things and then brings up other questions in a way like yeah What's the plan after you're just gonna be a weird orc soldier that you ordered to stand around in lex corp like Does it need to eat food or like what you know because at least with the whole like I've created abomination And I'm not even sure what I'm doing. There's some element of like, yeah This is an accident that maybe zack was hoping would benefit lex's story. I don't know Favorite was it but still sufficient blood of my blood lex Oh, that's sufficient. That is not sufficient. You think oh, come on. That explains everything. You think that tells me There's it all up Wraps it all up in a neat little bow. Wait, what is the logic here that it's his blood so it obeys him? Yeah Do you are smart his 100% of the time like if they say let's stand up and then you just like compelled to stand up No lex is very smart because he at perfect remember we got to go back to the early in the video This all ties together lex is like the comic lex and the comic lex is perfectly Represented by this lex and in the comic remember lex was really upset that everyone around him was dumb And he was the super smarts So that means that he has the smartest blood on earth So it makes sense that the blood of that's where smart is located Yeah, if this couldn't just be any tom dick or harry who gets his blood to obey him But lex he has the smart blood So it makes this is all thematically it all ties together. We've established this before so it makes total sense that his blood Will helping to do that. Not a new super chat that says Doesn't doomsday's back spikes prevent grappling But superman's still shown to be able to boop him in any way shapeable that he wants By Yeah, I don't think the yeah, why would that Oh, well, no, so like I guess they think like what if you when you bump into him it stabs He's like I don't think they can stab superman unless it's kryptonite present Yeah, they would probably do the opposite where they would work like handles Yeah, you could grab him spin him around throw him and then fly up and keep to basically, right Superman because he's an idiot doesn't realize that that's just the goal Whatever you have to do get him out of the fucking atmosphere go Well, what if wait real quick What if lex fed doomsday a jolly rancher that make him under his control? Oh, yeah, imagine like you don't exist. Well, you can't but You suddenly exist and then there's this guy over you in this pool of goo and he's sliding a jolly rancher into your mouth If you woke up to that maybe you would you know Do you think you'd be like a big old chungus jolly rancher because he's such a big dude? Yeah, oh, maybe maybe just took a bunch We'll know what have I don't know if you guys are familiar with jolly ranchers But if you take them out of their packages and you put them together and you let them sit a little while They will stick together So you could make a massive like a voltron jolly rancher You can get a bunch of them together and you could just make them into a big log With the jolly log Yeah Jolly ranchers are one of the worst candies to eat when it's hot outside because they stick to like the inside of the wrapper And then you get your finger and stuff and it's just it's just a mess. It's just a mess. It's a mess and lex I could work Well, as you could see with lex, he's very nimble with the jolly ranchers Absolutely, he could slide especially when there's no resistance whatsoever I mean his real his real power isn't the jolly rancher itself It's having it so that other people won't resist the sliding jolly rancher. That's the key anyone can slide a jolly rancher Which have the other person allow it? Lex fully believes that doomsday won't harm him, but will kill superman Why why do you believe this Reason Oh my blood so therefore you won't kill me is that and there is never been a kid who has ever been like Agree at their parents before Free have you ever disobeyed yourself? Oh, yeah, that's right because it's your own blood. That's true. You can't disobey yourself. I can't Yeah, it's my boy. You got you got me Just funny because superman saves his fucking life when superman could have just watched as he's comically thrown across the world Oh, just splatters on the inside. He's like well that solves a lot of problems actually No, but then they would be saying no Then they'd say that superman's a murderer because he could have stopped doomsday Even though superman punched some random terrorist dude through we don't talk about that Yeah, well lex paid him all off. It's fine. No way you paid them off to Lex luther paid off superman to punch the terrorist Goods but like lex luther is like nah, you're cool, bro Imagine the same reason well, it's the same thing like the end of a wonder woman where she doesn't kill dr She doesn't kill a poison, but yeah, dr. Poison 18 year old conscripts get to die Yeah, it was poor guys. Yeah that typewriter assembler. Yeah, fuck that guy. He's dead I mean, I was I was like we're doing good. I could see someone arguing like Uh, you know if you watch the film from the point of view that lex has martha throughout the whole film And so every action superman takes is actually what lex is forcing him to do by threatening the mum He he bribed superman You know, this is an interesting loop so lex bribes superman to fight To allow batman to fight him So that superman Could save his mother I like it It's crazy. I don't believe it. What would he use to bribe superman though? Oh Money jolly ranchers not a jolly rancher Because remember well, here's the thing if you're superman. Well, here's the thing money is a pathway to many jolly ranchers Some like this. I'm not superman superman is playing the long game In service of him this makes it ironic when the first thing that happens after doomsday is born is superman saving lex from getting killed by doomsday I like that it's highlighted sort of I guess showing that lex is mistaken Yeah, it's not supposed to be like coincidental irony, but almost like constructed dramatic, you know Events playing out. I do like like like cuck lex in the back there Just like oh man How could this how did any of this happen? Chad he's probably as shocked as we are because all of his other insane plans have gone off without a hitch Just like he wanted them to yeah, and all of a sudden the universe isn't just going along with his will So we're here Now the plan hasn't fully played out when he starts the creation of doomsday But notice how the genesis chamber doesn't begin doomsday's in process until after superman's time limit He is not in control of that. I am sorry. No the genesis chamber is going to make doomsday whether or not Fuck off with this That he is no no lex luther He is not like, you know telepathically controlling this thing so that it only completes doomsday if superman Is is not dead yet. There's no fucking way telepathic control. It was a bribe Look at the way he's standing Like is that really upset you? Just look at him Just look at this guy The creation of doomsday, but notice how the genesis chamber doesn't begin doomsday's finalization process until after superman's time limit expires Out of tricks superman's time limit out of time Yeah, well, I mean semantic so like Yeah, oh, yeah, I guess it That's a if you could program to do that. How come you didn't program him to listen to you? Well, I guess the argument he's making is just that this machine is like You know, once you okay, it lacks this thing will be a thing And he's waiting to see if superman comes through with batman's head Which kind of just makes you realize by the way, even if we accepted that if superman just lays at this fucking assholes head off Then it'll be over Is like, you know theoretically he has to he has to do a thing to activate the machine But the thing is we're not showing him doing anything from what I remember. He just he just stands around and one bat head short Doomsday is lexus What you think that that that's activated by him saying one bat head short. Is that the passcode? It's actually what he thinks. I don't know Because like honestly is i'm sitting here. I'm just like nah No, come on. I don't know what the argument even is. I just I think after that conversation now you like all bets are Kind of We have because if we match them about it, he'd just say something like Oh, it doesn't bother me or because I feel So there Fails safe the rest of his plan Fails unsafely So lex luther has kryptonite and a list of superheroes he can manipulate into using it on superman Now which hero to choose Yeah, you invented while the obvious answer is the one who doesn't appear on the list The one who's already two steps away from murderer in the first place. Wait a minute If you want to imply that there's actually The flash the flash would be the one to kill superman. The flash is a good one Just run up real fast and just I don't know jam a jolly ranch at kryptonite kryptonite thing in his mouth If you can equip any of these people with kryptonite weaponry, it's like oh the flash then you can go And he's just fucked so Yeah, I'd say either her or either her either him or super uh Either the flash or wonder woman. Yep One of the first film is wallace kief the homeless x-wayne enterprises employee spray not homeless He has an apartment what he is not homeless you not know what homeless means homeless means you're not at your house You don't know what a homeless means I like And just have something habitable like He literally has an apartment in this movie we see it not habitable, all right Well if it is he won't care Whatever you may or may not have an apartment It has a staircase in it. So it's no longer at the top off is no longer habitable Our apartment's no longer concerned This fucking presents even more issues by the way this character. Um The idea is that he himself personally has been Pushing so we have to go with a couple scenarios because it doesn't work That's the Oh, I'll just leave that on while I so um scenario Batman is in that place and he sees those checks have come back with you killed your family Boo, we're all in all the red Ryan's like wow. So how did this happen scenario one? Um, the guy didn't know about it at all in the wheelchair Lex was intercepting the checks and bouncing them back under his name attaching these weird messages This problem with that is the the employee should know that he there's a benefits program going out for the people in Bruce Wayne's building The you know, blah, blah, he should know about it. He should ask about it That would break that plan The other reason that plan breaks is that Bruce should be getting those checks Why would he not be getting those checks? It doesn't fucking make sense the person he talks to just says Yeah, you should have got them, but he didn't uh weird Scenario two he is pushing them back himself But he's not adding the messages and so Lex intercepts them adds the messages and then sends them along um, so problem one with that is the Uh, they should be aware and they should be telling Bruce the same problem kind of but then the second problem would be that This guy has shown up in this scene doing the graffiti And that's on that like that's news covers called a hate crime And it's his employee and he says what he's being captured Bruce Wayne is my boss. He employs me or something like that So Bruce Wayne would find this out and he'd be like dude What's happening? What's what's going on and then if he that he would find out he's bouncing the checks that way too So that kind of fucks that scenario three Is there a scenario three that is a good question And this breaks is kind of where I go with this I'm a little I'm a little hung up on the idea that him spray painting the statue Like they say that in the movie, but I don't understand that even a little bit Wait, are you saying like how did you not allow to defa like defacing public? It's a hate crime to deface the Superman. Well, yeah, he's Kryptonian. Yeah, Kryptonians are a minority Well, Superman hated it. He's the ultimate minority. There's only one. I mean he he is white and male But is Kryptonian It's good enough It's a hate crime against Kryptonians. Oh, is that the idea? Is that not ironically the idea? Scenario three was that he was writing those messages himself, but I'm pretty sure we're told Lex did it So it can't be that yeah, so never mind I knew I had a fit scenario Got what was yeah So anyway, this is supposed to be all in line with like making Batman kind of hate Superman and stuff And it's part of Lex's plan and it's fucking stupid And once again Batman being an idiot He's just like and this person not reaching out to Bruce Wayne If he truly felt this way or that he wasn't getting his checks Because he says like oh my life is ruined because I can't piss while standing up And as rags rightfully points down if our movies can't do anything standing up Why why are you talking about pissing? You know? All of the actions are very true very true. Why is he also says I can't like it's like He says three things like like I have my family this and that and then he says and I can't pee standing up anymore And he says this to a woman I know but he says it's the holly hunter as if she's supposed to be like that's so tragic That's so sad that you can't stand up. Yeah, you're telling a woman that you can't pee while standing up Yeah, it was really rough to fix that almost like is it well? I feel like well the fact that you can't move your legs is like the more Yeah, like wouldn't you go with that women women can get she weas you guys know about that she weas they're like I've never heard of this before in my life. Oh, no. I know. I know what you're talking about It's like a little contraption that I remember I don't know if it was when they first came out whatever but I was fucking laughing my ass off like the idea It's like a well, it's it's like a funnel, but it's shaped to fit But it just yeah, it's like a on the go to fit like between. Oh, let me take a look. I'm I'm fascinated By the she we Let's see. Uh, I'm gonna assume she we She weenie she she we Oh, it's called a go girl. Oh, oh, no, that's another one a portable female trap Oh my goodness gracious This a portable female travel urinal funnel women stand up pee camping toilet There's a lot of things that's what it says portable female travel urinal funnel women stand up pee camping toilet I feel like they need a napkin does goop sell these. What is the acronym for that? uh from tough wissu peaked See that that just flows off the tongue better. I think It really does. It's not the only thing that flows The pee but basically it's a little funnel that you Yeah, a tat you you press up to your lady bits And it's got a little yeah, it's like a long funnel that just goes out and about Yeah, so I don't know. I I guess if I was a chick I'd just like squat, you know Now Wallace wouldn't be homeless if you had been receiving the paychecks bruce ween was sending him since the accident Greg why hasn't he been getting our checks? He is mr. Ween. He gets a check from the victims fund every month Oh, so by the way the cg by we'll go back in a second. I just want to point out the cgi in This is pet peeve of mine for a lot of stuff I think we talked about it briefly earlier on with the cursor, but the cgi screens of things Like I feel like with the budget you have Just have it playing on the tv Like cameras can see that and it looks more real Oh, I would imagine what are you talking about? Are you talking about the tv? Yeah, look at the tv's that are playing it. Yeah Hey I was doing it first you asked fine. Go ahead. Okay No, you go ahead. Jesus. No, no, no, it's fine. You know what? I'm just gonna I'll just count with the check If I don't get a fucking answer Well, this will be more fun. What do you think the answer is rags? I would assume it's so that they can add Why I because they really really want to make sure that the image is the clearest it can possibly be That that I think for part of the answer, but what else There's there's someone else that I think is much more talk of the the audio No, the reflection of the cameras the Almost there are in terms of like nearly there. Yeah um Is it the audio of the tv that they're worried about not picking up Fixing on audio. That's that's that's that's the first time audio That's an audio a couple of times just think about the other there is there is av what is the what is the other thing in that equation? audio video av visuals the other thing Yeah, but Why I think it's a video instead of audio I guess I'm thinking of the jack I'm thinking of the jacks that you put into your you use your you plug up the game cube with but but um Do you need to what what is it in millionaire? Like do you need to call a friend to to you know get Get there because I don't want to feel I Okay, I'm not operating at a hundred percent right now But I think I've been given some pretty decent answers and I don't want to feel dumb when you tell me what the answer is Well, there's just it this one feels really obvious. Maybe it isn't Maybe that's why maybe that's why I don't think about it because it's so obvious um Is it right? Have you ever recorded like a screen that you have you ever like with your phone taking a picture of or try to record your screen? Yeah, it has the little the distortion on the The screen That was the first thing I mentioned. Well, that's that wasn't the reason I was going with but there's another but there is another one There's two you're always stringing me along. There's always another reason There there was a second more important one actually. Yeah Um, let's you say second, but I've given some pretty well So I would pass for all the ones we've been over is secondary to what I think the main one is and that is continuity No, um When creating this stuff, they aren't 100 sure of what's going to be on that screen yet And if you do it in post you can get the footage you need or do the second Yeah, you can't oh Yeah, I wouldn't have guessed that because I assumed they'd have total control of that when I was just playing it on the tv That um, when you go into production, you may not have these things ready to go But after the fact you can do stuff in the computer and have it as opposed to having Oh, okay. I got you It's the okay. It's the it's the order of which it have. Okay. I got you I I guess I don't know. I guess I assumed that this stuff they could have done, you know, like relatively quickly Oh, well, I would just put it on there even if as we're filming it. Yeah, I get you We're like 100 sure of what we're showing on the screen. I'd be like, maybe it's still with doing a green screen in case we change our minds Yeah, um Yeah, because I figured if you did it normally and you decided you didn't like it then you you will have just you just green screen over it anyway Well, I imagine also sometimes you have like you have Weird sync issues with the shutter speed of the camera and the Rate of the tv you can get some weird things. So it's just easier to green I said I said the visual thing about they wanted the clear stick. It could be that was my that was my first guess Yeah, and as for like You could Like like change the screen in post if you wanted to I imagine it would just Be easier because like they have like automated shit for when you have green screen, right? You can just like mask it on and it'll match perfectly because technology is really good now As opposed to adding the green screen on and then doing that, you know, that's just This is by the way part of what's infectious with with post production and stuff where like too many directors might slip into If we make everything green screen, I can control it all in post Yeah, oh for sure and then it just doesn't look real The interesting thing that I find is that sometimes you see that directors don't have a good understanding of how to do visual effects in their film and so like They'll hand footage off that's really not primed for visual effects and then the vfx artists have to do much much more work Um, yeah, when if they had had more forethought foresight while they were filming it Uh, they could have made it a lot easier, you know, things like setting up your stage correctly or not having things into fear or You know planning ahead of time the headline on the um The event was probably something they were tooling with for a while Like what should the headline reach to be like is superman culpable? What happened at the capital superman did not save to pick the capital, you know, they'd be like, I don't know what we want to put on there yet um But yeah, it it makes a lot of sense. I think but at the same time you can definitely notice it When it's not quite done. Dare I say right? I don't know It's gonna be too mean. I'm sure someone worked very hard when they green screened on the um Like the the oh, yeah I'm sure they worked hard. It just looks like for a whole couple of days I mean, it's probably automated for all I know like it's a thing with a program and it's just maybe I'm not sure actually because you got a rotoscope Like Ben Affleck. That's that's that's every frame. I think you would have to do some extra work It's almost like you you go out of your way to make sure no one crosses in front of it or something like that Or you would well, yeah, or you'd have it be still for that scene and then cut away I Think from what I understand every time you have a green screen shot in the film Somebody has to go and frame by frame and like edit that footage to because green screens are yeah They're not perfect Like sometimes you get green popping in and then you have to do that extra work to make it Not look bad And that's probably a ton of work every frame I wonder if sometimes if they say like split it out into like a thousand frames and then Like guy a guy b guy c they all take a hundred each, you know something Maybe I I think I think from what I understand visual effects industry is just broken down by shots Like you have a shot that you need to work on Um, and then somebody else will have a shot and so like, you know Any one individual artist may only have like three or five seconds of what their work was in the film Just because that's how much work. I think it's a little easier that it's really easy Um with what technology is available for like users of of your average They like what movie makers have of access to at this point I do wonder if they do have stuff that could still automate all of that even with Cutting out and I like and stuff automatically to be honest with you to be honest with you I actually think that we all kind of underestimate how much work has to go into visual effects Like in terms of I think it's I think we look at like a green screen go Oh, well, that's basic. I mean I can do that It's like but again to achieve the level that they need to for films I'm pretty sure someone has to go in each frame And like manually do this Um, or like it's oh, you know, like if you're making a background Uh, like through a green screen and then there's a window. It's like somebody had to make that So it's a it's a lot of work and and you look at like endgame It's got like 2000 vfx artists or something worked on it Or probably a lot more than that. I might even be lowballing it Ending him accident Greg, why hasn't he been getting our checks? He is mr. Wayne. He gets a check from the victims fund every month He returns them But it's revealed that Lex Luthor had been intercepting them for some time and sending them back with bat anger inducing messages That doesn't work It just doesn't Yeah, how does how do you do that? If they're going to Wayne himself, why was he sending those checks back Bruce Wayne's mail? Why was he sending the checks back? He's not intercepting Bruce Wayne's mail. He's intercepting uh, scoot mcnary's mail Yeah, why was he real name? Why why why was Why was he sending them back? Did we ever get a reason for that like I don't want your money Bruce like oh, that's what I'd assume but hey I guess actually reasonable to infer what was the one who saved him Yeah, I don't get it. I'm sorry. What if those checks actually were shown to Bruce earlier Don't you think that he would like that's what we've been over this like this. Yeah, this doesn't work Like you can't Yeah, this guy just shows up and he has all of them with him And this is the first time that Bruce has ever been made aware of this apparently. Yeah, they lampshade it They're like, let's look at that guy off It's it's like I fucking this is all over the boy season two By the way, like highlighting an issue exists and not doing anything about it. It's like why haven't I seen these before? Oh Because if I see them before I might have talked to that guy and then found out what the fuck He's not sending these messages and then known that I'm being fucked with by someone else Little red and your family died This makes it clear that lex had figured out batman's true identity and selected him as the superman never told anybody Oh, well, that's first question how Yeah, well, he knows both clark and bruce's idea Well, I mean clark is probably easier than batman because it's just superman doesn't wear a mask I'm gonna go as far as saying that if they want us to believe that everybody can't figure it out Then lex shouldn't be special in this universe, right? Do any people that should probably people who are very close to him like lois who are like, oh, I can fucking tell But like yeah, because I agree with you but also at the same time I'm like, but wait, like it should the not the world have figured this out then. Yeah, true And can't even the movie even started this is how it all caves in civilization on the way manners out the window Why are you like this? It's such a weird confusing man It was so clever. Oh such an oof lied to me. It's like hey It's one of those lines where it's like only can be read in a tism way because the surface way is just garbage Like this is how it all caves in civilization on the wane man is out the window like what? Like oh, I meant that it all caves in, you know civilization wanes man is around the window or something That before batman shut up. I guess. Well, he's lost his mind at this point, right? Because he got so much in I don't he seems really well adjusted and at the end credit of the next Well thing the death stroke, right? It's interesting. That's true because he's on the boat and everything I suppose anyway that we can sort of do this I guess is like He he got all the information from the ship and then right at the end He got the information that steppenwolf is on the way under dark side to collect mother boxes and fuck it And he was like, oh my god, this is intense Didn't tell anyone about it and then decided to recruit dead shot after he was broke out of prison Not dead shot. That's oh death stroke. Sorry Like what I don't right. I don't I don't understand any of that. I'm just like, okay Is he gonna be in stardica like a lot or? Uh, death stroke is for sure gonna be in it. I don't know that much. I guess he'll be enacting whatever orders the No, I think uh, he got brought in for like reshoots. So that'll be that future sequence. I'm guessing Okay, well Yeah, the one with all that Is it is it possible that that post credit scene in justice league was actually like part of the original center cut? Like that's taking place midway through the movie Maybe I Who knows it's it's gonna be four hours long That's what makes me think that the scene with the bug exploding and it's it's goose Blaturing mother boxes on a wall that could both not be in the snider cut and also be the last hour of the snider cut For all we know Batman chooses not to use the kryptonite against superman Well, then lex could threaten another hero or just using himself Now seems like you should have just opted for that in the first place, but whatever with what lever All you have to do like I said we said plan fucking a Here do you notice how to get superman you capture motha and then superman blows your door down He's like, whoa, what are you doing with my mom or lois? Then you go a superman open this briefcase tiki and he goes He goes, ah kryptonite. Oh no Then vomits up all the old kryptonian juice and then you stab him with your kryptonian knife That's the way to do it easy Yeah, daily like you gotta go and get leverage on batman Well, all of the heroes and then try and Orchestrate it so that you are stolen from to get the kryptonite to batman and hope that they fight to the death Like oh geez man Batman and death stroke will team up. Oh goody Lex needs kryptonite into batman's hands so that he can do the deed But he also needs to make it seem like it was batman's idea to do it He can't very well give it to batman without revealing that he knows batman's true identity So lex attracts batman's attention by feeding him information about a dirty bomb being brought into gotham by a mysterious criminal called the white portugese So the white portuguese is a russian None of this matters because this graph has gotten unnecessarily large It's because the plans are complicated I was gonna say the element of he wants batman to steal the kryptonite from him It mostly lines up. Yeah, but this is microcosm in the the Broadness of the film. So like yeah It exists could be why don't you just send it anonymously There's a lot of things he could fucking do maybe why don't you order your men to Like not try to run off with the kryptonite once batman starts chasing them Yeah, you could literally have them like go. Oh no and drop the kryptonite and then go get out of here batman's gonna kill us Yeah, but like this is all compensation for the fact that you should be like lex you just do it yourself You you know how to get batman to you you can make anything out of that fucking kryptonite boulder just stab him I want to bring a dirty bomb into gotham Even inviting batman to his house where he can steal information about it when the time is right Fuck the idea that he wads Batman to steal all of his files. This is like, yeah, there's not gonna be any of the god there that I would want you to see Could be fine May I help you miss joyne? Uh, I just why would you even have her go up to him if this was all the part of the plan? When you want him to think he's safe. I have no idea The bathroom was down here. I must have dance rooms upstairs. Great. I'm okay Why doesn't lex lose his assistant? There it is. So if he if he's about to say because she wants him to take the information Then why the fuck did she question him in the first place? Yeah, why did she keep an eye on him? Remember when he walks down the stairs and she's like, hmm That doesn't seem to be acting for the audience Batman didn't see that Well, also because it doesn't seem too easy it wouldn't make sense because she just leaves him She's like, hey, don't be in this room. Bye If anything that makes it very in that looks it makes it look very suspicious. Yeah, she shouldn't have even gone there And wait And also she's supposed to sorry Also, how does it benefit lex luther the batman now knows about all these other Or like potential superheroes. Why does that help him? Yeah, I have no idea Because wonder woman ultimately helps defeat lex luther's plan. Whoops. Yep So what the fuck would you purposely give batman that info for also? He allows wonder woman to take the information too. You'd have to agree because he knows who she is so assistant kick bruce wane out of the southern What is she supposed to suspect a drunken billionaire playboy of doing in there? Oh, wait. No, this is perfect Well, so she doesn't know what the fuck wait, what is the argument now? So she's simultaneously is aware of him doing this and kind of wants him to but then can't claim He should get out of there because that would lead on that She knows what he's doing when he's just a drunk billionaire. It's like no you just tell him to leave You're not supposed to be in here. Can you I know it's stupid that we don't have a lock on this door But please could you not come in here? I Bruce Wayne's normal person disguise actually works in this universe for anyone that You say that like it doesn't in others It's a commonality for batman to use Bruce Wayne as his way to get things and talk to people He always does that. He's like, haha. I'm a stupid drunk playboy. Like he don't mind me Yeah, what do you expect him to do waltz in with his batman costume under a janitor costume or something? Yeah, that'll be stupid. Like he's not gonna be really dumb. That'd be hilarious. He looks so bulky I'm glad that nothing in any batman media has ever shown that happen It isn't batman That's just a room with a bunch of computers behind some glass Beyond that lex luther wants bruce to hack into his server as part of his master plan It's the reason bruce was invited to the party and the reason lex's assistant isn't too intent on kicking him out Why does she bother at all? Why do you bother at all? We don't need these justifications because it was intended for the fight to happen. So who cares how it happens He made why you make two arguments that conflict one is she's watching over him Because she knows and wants him to steal the information Also, why would she kick him out of the room? She has no reason to So what wait what? Well, bruce can't break into lex luther's house bruce Wayne won't have to he's been invited lex also uses the party as an inconvenient lex's argument right that was on purpose Which kind of makes um all of the dirty bomb Well, all of the russian stuff was redundant because it leads him to wanting to go to this place He's just like you're coming anyway It must wait so hold on wait. So if he wanted did he want him to steal the kryptonite? Maybe i'm being a little bit unfair the plotline goes that he's batman is beating up criminals to find out more about the dirty bomb coming to Gotham by cloning the phone on the russian phone thing the phone tells him that uh, it's it's sending uh encoded encrypted bullshit to Lex's house This random russian guy who he knows is up to no good is sending those messages to lex's house And so he's like i'm gonna break in as batman and steal stuff and then he's like you won't need to you've been invited Oh How will this help me do it though? Well, uh, alfred is like go downstairs the server rooms right there steal it Okay, oh, well, that's that's pretty really easy. Yeah, isn't that weirdly easy? Yeah, i'm sure how no one else is here to do the same thing. He's not much of a detective this batman guy No, no, i mean, did you think a pair of glasses could fool the world's greatest? The world's greatest detective Yeah, the same way that lex is the smartest man in the universe. He's got some blood Uh by getting the information isn't like the only payoff the trailers Isn't that it? What else happens without information? um He was nice to wonder woman Yay trailers Opportunity showing the seeds of batman and superman's rivalry It's a lot easier to get them to fight each other if they already don't like each other Lex had been steering clark toward disliking batman already. They don't develop well at all Yeah, like i get the whole i get why batman would want to have like, uh You know the kryptonite thingy But they really do not do a good job and kind of elaborating why he's so dead set on killing superman i'll tell you why Um, they saw his other two videos. He says that when batman says, uh If there's a one percent chance he could like wipe us out then we have to take it as an absolute certainty He's like some people think this is a dumb line However, even if there's one percent chance of him doing something so catastrophic We cannot absolutely not allow it to happen Then we should remove the chance entirely and he has like this reference to a probability video Where a scientist doctorate person is like well, there's one percent chance or something horrible happening You would still argue to to you know erase it completely in order to prevent the ever thing of something horrible And you just it all comes back to well. Yeah, but killing him would also lead to that potentially The killing superman means he can't save us Exactly that's that because you already have proof that there are aliens out there and they can be potentially Extremely strong that only superman could be good against them. And he's so superman. He's not doing like that bad He's not he's not great, but he's not terrible Like what if another zod came along you need him? I think he'd I'd take my chances with superman, you know I feel like I take my superman was really bad at stopping zod and took a sweet ass time Yeah, it's still better than zod being able to destroy the entire world. Um batman is simply Oh, sorry. I read the wrong one. His building got destroyed rags. Isn't that motivation enough? We never get to explore the specifics with batman Does he actually believe that his building getting destroyed was negligence on superman's part? Does he think that? What does he think it was an unfortunate result of the fight? I don't know So so mollard Here is where you've you've made a horrible mistake. It's that your question was what does a character in the dce you think So we're gonna have some issues there I don't really do that much as from Well, this is the thing that fundamentally the three players in this game of superman batman and lex They're all fucking terrible in terms of like Batman's justification is really bad and it reflects back on him completely Not only in like a hypocritical way, but also the the whole if you kill superman you can't protect this way Then this clock who's being told hey brands people and then they get sent to prison where they're executed And this has been happening. I had a look at us a pause screen for more than a month It's been happening and batman keeps doing it Yeah, um Big ol yikes for that man. What are you doing, bro? I don't know the question of like I don't know rags if you if you were told by walking on a particular paving as down a street You kill someone every time you do it because someone sees you doing it. They get so angry. They kill someone. Would you just be like i'm They all just skip that one. I guess then I mean, I wouldn't want anyone to die Yeah, like you'd be like I wanted to do this for other reasons, but I guess if people are dying as a result of it It doesn't really cost me. Yeah Like maybe I'll stop branding them. I guess. Yeah, I guess I guess branding them is not a good idea if they just get killed Other way like at this point. I may as well just kill them myself Yeah, because he's obviously not yeah, at least I get to Yeah, and before anyone says I don't know the whole will wait it was it wasn't him It was the russian people. It's the fact that batman should know by now for sure That the brand does that and yet he continues doing it. Yeah I mean everyone else seems to know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and he's the world's greatest detective Do they though rags because what paper would report on a guy dressed as a bat branding people who get put in prison and killed for it Nobody would report that that's a boring story. Who cares? We got to cover the local high school football team All right, we got more important shit to talk about Because there's always been crime in gothams. So who would care about a guy dressed as a bat branding people and then them getting killed That's not interesting How often do football teams play each other? Come on. This is important breaking news And so yeah, you've got what there's a football game Clark is sent these images by lex, I guess Anomously like look look what because he knows who he is and he's like do you think this is just as in these like Okay, enough of the bat. He's even talked about man about any of this Like imagine he did he goes like why are you branding people to be executed in a prison and then batman's like I have no reference for what you're talking about. He's like, have you not read the articles being made about this? He's like, there are no articles about this clock. No one's interested by that I can't read I like how parry is just unnecessary needlessly a dick. Yeah But who's parry again, uh, the one who uh I I can't oh, yeah, that's a that's a shame too because I like larnes fishburne. Yeah larnes fishburne. He's great character's not Him grizzled bat brand victims benefit for the library of metropolis Someone on the committee requested that clark can't cover it Inviting clark to the party with bruce wane the night he's supposed to be hacking luther's server is what really puts clark on bruce's case He here. Oh, don't remind me. Oh, that's it so Clark chasing bruce and then noting that he's on a mission through the the earpiece And seeing him go into the server room. This is all incredibly fucking interesting and then he sees on the news that someone's in trouble Oh, I gotta go. It's such a like a writer was like wait, clark's followed him He's got the information we wanted to have we don't want him to do anything else How do we get him out of here? It's like the tv says someone's in a fire There you go, um And so the question comes up and this by the way He's like it's almost a movie here if they just tried a little harder Because thematically you probably want when does superman decide that a life is worth saving versus not because everyone's there's people dying all the time In different accidents all around the world So he can't possibly save them all which again seems to me a Pretty fundamental thing they do with superman a lot like The concept not being able to save everybody. It's it's neat. It sounds neat anyway And he's like, um following batman or bruce and i'm getting all the information I could ever want this is super interesting. It's like, oh, someone's in trouble. It's like, oh, shit. Do I Do I pursue this mission where i'm about to get a big payoff for what i've been looking into or do I go and save that life? But it's like that's never really Pushed he just looks like he's distracted and then he just doesn't care about bruce at all Yeah, he just goes and then you're like, yep, that's that. All right. Well, it's like, oh, man I wish I could get like into the minds of these characters and we could explore some of these minds to get into so And this thing after this is the month the sad montage room saving people It's like, I guess I'll save you He looks like he's really upset about having Remember the um The the like the rocket ship people he saves where it is about to launch and explodes that he's just there. He's like, I got you I like that he was waiting there. Yeah Please blow up. Please blow up. Please blow up. Yes I saved him. I'm so great I'm like I'm like lex luther. That's tough to say. I'm like lex luther Um, I'm like lex luther. I uh, I really care about my image I told you man that one. I get a pass on that one. I'm like lex luther but the seashore. It's toughy I'm a little bit curious though Like pretend the tv was off or muted or just fucking news channel wasn't people dying And he like sees bruce go in he sees bruce check for his little thing But he gets nothing because window was already taken it and then he sees bruce walk back out like Fuck you clock or whatever and then he's like chasing wonder woman and then clock follows him Like I don't even know how that scene ends. I don't I don't know what happens dex I wonder if clogger just be like, I know your batman by the way. What were you doing? What's up? I could hear alfred. Yeah, what's up batman and he's like, oh shit Would he shut up clark? Here's alfred's mission to bruce and puts two and two together. All right, where am I going alfred? We'll pass the elevator and do a left That's right. It must be This is two and two together. No, it wouldn't have been my first guess I would have guessed he's looking for someone like he saw someone he's looking for Yeah, not that he's batman secretly trying to get server stuff I think yeah, I think it's a little bit of a leap to assume instantly that he's bad. You could have been talking to his security Yeah, yeah, he's rich. He is rich Why does lex luther put so much emphasis on the meeting of clark kent and bruce wane Bruce is a well, I'm assuming The answer to this would be that he knows Yeah But like what but you know what I mean bruce wane meets clark kent. It's like that shouldn't mean anything in this world Well, if anything it should just make them be like, why would he why is he? Yeah, why would you put so much emphasis on yeah, that is my name? My name's clark as opposed to it's for us. That's what it's for It would be something else if like if clark kent was an established journalist like a really well respected Yeah, yeah, you're right. It's the second sense of this thing. You covered the football game the cougars. Yeah Like clark had famous. Yeah, like credible articles of the football Yeah, it's like it'd be one thing if it was actually comparable to I don't know pairing up elon musk with ronan farrow, but it's not Um elon musk with some random twitter check mark Yeah, uh, if you remember as well because this this happens more than once in the movie Harry says after clark has wants to talk about the bat and he's like no Football he says uh, nobody cares about clark kent going up against the bat Yeah, that's for us Okay I mean it's the it's the kind of lines where you just you sort of hang your head and shame you're like I'm watching this spending time if you're trying really hard Like you could probably earn those lines if you tried really hard, but they didn't so that would require trying really hard Yeah, I know if that's why you know Yeah With the public figure is an inconsequential small town nobody Lex luther is a socialite and a manipulator and it's a rich people party So to anyone else it just looks like he's playing the social game of lavishing praise onto people and making them feel more Important than they are doesn't really make sense though because clark has never fucking met And he's confused that he likes him remember Fucking parry is like, oh, I guess he likes dudes It's like what what does that even like if this guy went? Oh my god baller meets this guy I'd be like do you have you seen my videos like What's the deal here like why you treat who are you? But they'll just smile they're like hey lax. Oh lax. Yeah, how you doing as if they have some kind of relationship Yeah, I just I don't buy him as a social lady. He's not charming. He's super awkward He's terrible at socializing. He freaks everyone out when he talks to them Yeah, I mean when he was doing his speech. He was like, you know doing the weird mumbling That's not what a socialite is That's a five syllable word Something with a something so small minds with big fetuses It's a five syllable word written by terrible directors with horrible visions So true that he can get into their good graces boys Bruce Wayne meets clark kent I love it. I love bringing people together But I don't know. Yeah, it's weird. You know who clark kent is Unless he was trying to specifically find out. Yeah is contextually You know, if I was batman if I was the greatest detective of the world And I was like, why is lex so obsessed with me and this guy and you really look at his face like Oh No, you kind of looks like superman if you took off the glass Yeah Can you take off you're glad he's like no He's also He's introducing batman to superman and he's excited about it Of course he is because there's this weird angle in this movie where he sees this like godzilla versus king kong and it's like why? I thought the whole point was he had motivations for himself not that he's like a fan of fights That's a great He just wanted a big fight night. Yeah That isn't that like what he calls it. Yeah, like fight night of the century or so It's cringe He knows he's taking cringe is a one syllable word for people who care about nitpicks and movies Yes, it is and yes, they do and should toward these two knowing each other's true identities That's seven minutes Seven minutes is all I can spare. How did clark kent not know who bruce wane was before lex luther's party Oh, good question It's his job as a reporter. So no, I don't even need to appeal to reporter I can refer to person who exists on planet earth in this universe How do you not know famous person who bruce wane billy in there? They live in sister cities. It's not like he's across the country. Possibly the richest person in the two cities Like entirely, right? He's probably I don't know if him or lex would be rich This is like not knowing who bill gates is or elan must have you not No, the man who invented gates. I know all about you. Once you move from that argument you then move on to well What is what is clark's profession like? reporter Well, he's too busy covering college football games. I wouldn't be surprised if that'll be the counter to this It'll be that clark was is new to being a reporter. He doesn't care about the higher class No, don't There is a line when he asks who is and the guy responds like oh, I guess you're new to the whole let them eat cake crowd But like doesn't he know lois pretty well Lois fucking knows about like who bruce wane is. Everyone knows who he is except clark because he's a dumb ass It's like, how do you not know who bruce wane is? It's so stupid As a reporter to know I don't know why it's such a stretch that clark wouldn't know bruce wane at a glance. We just said why It's like this video doesn't even react to us in real time. What the fuck Listen to the other guy who tells him who it is. He must be new to the let them eat cake beat. There you go That is bruce wane. He doesn't sound very surprised. I don't care if that guy isn't surprised Yeah, that guy That isn't even a character. That's just the writer trying to Yeah I think that he's mentioning that clark doesn't seem that surprised go back and rewind that No, I think the point he's making is this guy isn't surprised that clark doesn't know who bruce is That's what I got from it and that's evidence that it's normal for him to not recognize someone like clark Or a lot people might not in general Are you sure because I'm pretty sure he is referring to you're not Seven you american dollars on this, all right His job as a reporter to know these things. That's a lot of money All right, fine eight why it's such a stretch that clark wouldn't know bruce wane at a glance Listen to the other guy who tells him who it is. He must be new to the let them eat cake beat That is bruce wane. He doesn't sound very surprised Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. So my bad You'll be ten billion dollars eight bucks per year Yeah So, uh, I I think it's incredible that this is honestly, I'm kind of downplaying How fucking terrible this argument is it's like, um If ever there's something weird or stupid that happens if you have a character that isn't surprised by the event You can use that as evidence that it's not shocking Yeah, there you go. Just uh in case anybody needs to see this guy There he is You got to get him in your scene to say, oh Yeah I'm thinking, um, hyperspace kamikaze if he was just on one of the ships and he looks outside and he's like, oh my god. Yeah, so obvious I think it's just this same guy in every film It's totally fine that this thing is happening that sounds ridiculous. It's totally normal. It's totally fine. I'm not surprised by it You know me personally I Take that for what you will or it's member Oh This guy has saved many a script He has just seven dollars also the letter of the day on sastry street today was c. Oh you I understand. I enjoy their skits that are educational and fun. Yes Evidently in this universe It's not so strange that someone wouldn't know Bruce Wayne by his face From the amount of reporting we see in the film Clark seems very intent on breaking big stories and trying to use his journalist. Oh, you mean like billionaires doing things Big stories No, the cougars beat the bears last night 17 to 3. It was a stomp, man Oh, they ran out of hot dogs down at the stands. So people were a bit upset, but yeah This guy's like the perfect mark for a writer. You just tell him what the case is and he'll believe it. It doesn't matter Yeah, mark is a good word for that I second that The stick positioned important issues. I don't think the exploits of a billionaire playboy would be I don't think the exploits of a brilliant boy would be important Right. Is that he could add that sentence the exploits of a billionaire wouldn't be important The I think anything a billionaire playboy does is almost by definition news Listen to Elon musk like every time he tweets something. It's a major like thing that His tweets Talking anime cat girls by 37 percent with this one meme How many people in the world should be traded at four dollars and how many people in the world fly to like freaking oymaha nebraska To hear what um warren buffett has to say about stalks And how many people can say their tweets can change the economy Just like with ease Back and forth which is like, yeah, I mean, you know It's it's uh, whatever I should have let him finish the sentence. I'm just already annoyed important issues I don't think the exploits of a billionaire playboy would be all that interesting to clark Why doesn't matter if it's interesting to him. He's got a job. It's a job. You need to know these people It's a loud clerk to cover the bad man's story It's much more important and compelling Vince. I don't even know how he's gonna count to this Mmm, it should be funny though I don't know. I think peri white the guy in charge of selling the newspapers knows what sells newspapers again He was told he was told that's the truth. So he believes it. It's that simple Oh The film says yeah, people care about sports not about batman. So believe it That's the stories about the high school football games Sell newspapers not stories about weird Brandy criminals and get them getting them killed. That doesn't sell newspapers guys I mean, it's not like batman v. Superman is a bill. Oh wait. No an 800 million dollar grossing film How much people interested in watching this film? Well, the true test would be to find a football field that came out that year Yeah Why aren't we covering this poor people don't buy papers people don't buy papers In this world batman has been at it for over 20 years on that subject. Uh, we're cutting your salary On this subject we've been bought by golker. I'm sure they'll have a very promising and fruitful career People don't buy papers period can in this world batman has been at it for over 20 years His existence is not exactly break. Do not argue that because he's been around for a while nobody cares What the fuck? Yeah, you could have fooled me honestly I like how many times we have to say this like he's branding people and they're getting executed in prison How is this not incredibly interesting? Here's an even more apt thing batman as a character has been popular for like 80 years I feel like in 20 years a real life batman would still be super interesting to people Yeah, we would all be like is that bat bad guy still running around new york city or something? You know, we would all be like is that still happening? Yeah Yeah Um, how many people are still interested in ted crew? I mean the zodiac killer like how many people still want to know about Happen in the sixties Don't forget like the stories that cops could tell like that guy who's like I entered a dark house There's these women who would would rather be in a cage that set free near the batman I get up into the room and I find this guy handcuffed to a radiator exhausted after I heard him screaming And before I can even deal with the fact that he's got a big bat branded into him I look above and start firing almost just you know On muscle memory because this dude is just sitting on the roof Ceiling it just like it starts crawling all over the walls You can take you can tag shotgun shells. It's amazing. Like why would you not want to read that? Yeah, that's awesome Something in gotham has even the most hardened of criminals terrified. What could it be? And then you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's fine. That's fine. Did you see this? What about in the Gotham city bears? Oh, they scored a Boop, what was the Gotham? They'd be well, they wouldn't be the bat Gotham city meth bears Oh, I think what were they in Gotham High? What was the were they the bats? Were they actually the bats in Gotham High? Why why because it's very clever Gotham High. What what what is that the the Gotham like the the team of the um The the the high school like a mascot. I think it was the bats Yeah, I guess is that what it's considered. I don't know what the correct actual name for that fucking thing is young adult graphic No, yeah, but it's you should it's free. You should totally watch J Longboat's videos about it with us guest starring reading it She's her animation or her editing rather is fucking is insane. Yeah They're incredibly funny and you won't believe they're hilarious. We all we had a great recording and the edits of them are amazing too Gotham High on J Longboat's channel. Check it out. It isn't it is an adventure New prime wave in Gotham other breaking news water Do you have anything to say? Yeah, water isn't wet. Well, we've been over this and we've discussed this one from your pov That would just be consistent with this character then right like he's an idiot. I suppose so. Yeah, maybe this movie is cleverer than I thought I didn't give Zach credit. All I wanted to do was hate You know clocks glasses in this shot it looks like a really weird side bed Oh Wow, dude, that's a really weird. That's really funny. Uh, wait, there you go chat. You can see it better like that wonderful Style he's going for there Trying to bring it back. It kind of looks like Putin for some reason a little no, he doesn't actually forget it All right. All right. He's yeah, uh, Perry's really fucking stupid, but he's right at home in this universe. So who cares So that man now knows what kryptonite can do and where to get it It's a rock a mineral capable of weakening kryptonians. I feel like calling it a rock is a little a reductive bruce Yeah, it's a mineral Yeah, fuck you bruce. Well in finnish. It's not a mineral. It's a zeno mineral. It's they call it a zeno is it a crystal Zeno mineral it looks crystal like mineral Lino mineral a zeno mineral so it's a mineral from a different planet. Yeah, that's what they call it pretty high tech fancy name, huh? Pretty cool It is a great portuguese being delivered to lex luther. Oh, I'm gonna steal it from All he needs is Push over the edge and this is where wallace kief comes into the plan a second time luther convinces kief to testify in congress against super what he had said no I guess that's the end of you. Maybe I don't know. No, right Maybe that wouldn't have been the point of the scene. So that would never have happened You find a different crippled to give the wheelchair bomb What you could do it's like what's weird is that you ask people about the point of the scene and you ask him How did they get to how how did you determine what the point of the scene was and if it's by watching the scene Well, now we're in quite the loop aren't we? Well, it's okay. See you Like mercy. What's a face is legs and I'm sorry about that. I was really angry But here's a wheelchair to make it up to you. It'd be really funny if funny or if like he has her rolling in But then she just stands up and leaves Wait If you want it, you can crawl on it on your stumps We're man life and the lives of countless others during zod's invasion. He made me half a man That's not mostly there It I just I didn't even get enough from this guy to be fair Like this is the thing this movie just doesn't have it and civil war totally has it but being like Why do you hate him and it's like my wife left me like But so you blame superman For saving the world and as a result of the fight you were hurt Like do you hold that against him and do you think that he should be stopped as a result? Because the complications in in civil war a lot of the Examples used much more like just hard to call in terms of whether or not the avengers made the right choice Superman broadly made the right choice Like in man of steel, you know, he did yeah broadly He didn't do a very good job But at the same time it's like everything he did like when zod is flimping around and lasing all the buildings and Superman's trying to stop him. It's like there's nothing. I don't have any issue with sumans trying like a gas It's just that he's not very fast and he he hesitates and throws him through buildings. I mean it was And so if if we had that conversation with this guy and he was like it's not that he was trying to stop zod Did you see like and they got like a recording from some helicopter was keeping an eye on it or whatever? And it's just like superman is throwing him through buildings superman didn't have to do that And I think We might actually have a good film in our hands if they started doing stuff like that You're like, holy shit superman you kind of killed people in a way and then superman's like I I was fighting him. I don't know It depends on what your definition of killed is right That's probably what would be discussed in the film potentially and this guy If his whole argument was your reckless and you don't care about the people you who die You only care about the love you get from the people who you save or some shit, you know You can make some lines lofty dialogue. Exactly. Yeah That this is going to happen furthers luther's efforts to sully superman's good name And now we'll go down a sidetrack for a moment because it's relevant. Oh Why was the point of the scene well over slain is investigating the bullet They ultimately have no impact on the story So that plot line she ends up confirming that lex did what he did and the whole thing was bullshit And then I think the next we see of that plot line going anywhere Is her getting kidnapped by lex and then she's like I I know the truth lex You're a bad person and then he's like lol push you off the roof So You know what this criticism is making me actually think is is the whole bullet thing kind of unnecessary Yeah, because nothing comes of it like it is it does a factor into vindicating superman They they just drop it. Oh, they do they do. Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to remember. Yeah, I think this might be right It goes anywhere. Yeah Because once we get to the third act, it just totally goes off the rails into crazy action Tell you how we'll know is his defense of it if his defense. Yeah, I don't know for sure that it's yeah Not that he ever has good Well, it's it the only big payoff of this investigating the bullet supply is basically lowest lane figures out what everyone should have figured out from the get go She's really smart though. Yeah, she's really smart I mean, I guess she's smarter than the average person in this universe So she I mean luckier than the average actually smarter than bruce in terms of figuring out the man and clock for the same person smarter than all the cia In that, you know, she finds out about the this this lex core bullet before anyone else does Yeah, it's not frustrating at all the all of these things happen these ways, you know, it's really fun Let's hear this defense do it the investigation is only about three and a half minutes in the first half of the movie Journalism so his first argument is it's not that much of the film Oh, so you agree it doesn't waste that much time This is the this would be what I ended with not what I would start it with Remember, I hate I think it was I hate everything. It was either he or quint reviews or to ro But one of them said like oh cantobes not that bad. It's only seven percent of the film I think that What I think oh forget who that was it's hard to keep them straight It's one of them defense. No, oh no, it was it was it was it was it was either I hate everything Quentin reviews all all the right opinion. It'll be one of those three Isn't wait, how long is the extended it's three hours, right the extended edition. Yes So I think it takes up more of that for whatever that's worth Well, there like there were more scenes going on that path the length was never the question though, you know, like it would Yeah, I was more considered like so what to do for the plot and I feel like we're in really bad territory if your opening argument is it wasn't that long Oh, I don't know three three and a half minutes dedicated to stuff that doesn't advance the plot in any way shape or form That's a long time. Yeah, because it's small. You've already tacitly admitted to something. Yeah Yeah, I was like if you're arguing it's only a small amount of time. It's like, oh You accidentally just let slip something a bandaid not a cure You agree with the criticism. Yes, and it'd be like well, I mean, no really It's not that long Shut up If you remember as well, when she gets pushed off Um Lex like pushes her back and she goes like whoa, whoa And then she turns and puts her arms out and then it cuts to wide and she's falling off the tower It looks like she could easily have grabbed him I'm pulled him down. I think you point that out I'd often let him die. Oh, yeah, it would be funny. Um, I'm gonna see if I can pull it up quick Where are you? No, not the trailers I was um, I saw the the red light media of bvs after we watched the film So it's how it's interested in a refresher and at one point they say um Like one of them I can't remember which of the three but they question like how is it the superman new that looses in trouble And then one of the responses is like, it's this superman and I remember being like fuck that Yeah, don't like that excuse. It's superman's fine. I was like, I know who did it. Thank you. It's just uh Because it is the thing if you really wanted to apply it like Actually 100 that he can just detect. It's like, how would it not be for the mum? And I feel like that's the the criticism that corners people who make that defense Yeah, it's for lois but see this like uh, I got on screen. He pushes her she flips around and she looks like she's able to She grabs him, but then she she just falls Uh, it's a bit weird Oh, why? I'm just gonna show it one more time one more time. Here we go chat paying attention now It goes Oh, shit, we better be careful. Copyright. I hate youtube I can't I can't nitpick films because this would be a nitpick, right? Who being able to pull lex off the roof with her that would just that's doesn't really change the story that much It'd be so funny if superman grabbed her and let him fall and he was like, well I mean technically as in the kill one Yeah See that I almost started to wonder if maybe this was how it's was filmed and they just didn't cut it early enough Like you should have showed him pushing and then cut to the wide instead of this So weird Anyway, let's continue with this incredible video Fun times Yeah So it's not like it was a interruption or anything, but it's far more important than you think I'll be the judge of that Wait, if he's about to argue it is important make that your opening argument not that it's not that long Yeah, that's what I said originally. I was like end your defense with this As like a consolation is like, yeah, maybe it doesn't go anywhere. Also, you don't have to defend this We've seen it before where people feel the need to defend everything in a movie Like you don't have to Yeah, you can you can concede a point. It makes you look reasonable First it further established government and military believe Luther's doctored story in the days leading up to superman's court appearance That's not good. We haven't been told the truth. Here's the truth. That's really embarrassing greedy for a scoop and went where she shouldn't have Happy, right? Sorry. No, you'll be a superman act of like Son, yeah row combatant to rescue or in people down I say that the audio could maybe be we'll have to find out this is this is the experimental e-fab Where we see how protected for copyright Second it tells us that lex luther had to know the identity of superman to use lois lane as bait It doesn't make sense. He said that the ambush was arranged to frame superman But how could they know that he'd show up and then you again make this point without realizing that it's public knowledge That lois lane and uh, superman have a connection Yeah, that doesn't prove anything public Absolutely And third for the first time in the movie it also, what does that add to anything though? Yeah, we know we could figure this out. We didn't need that scene for that We didn't have to have this whole subplot line for that Exposes lex luther's deception to both the audience and to lois lane To the as if we needed evidence that he's the bad guy I figured that out with a jelly rancher. Yep. No good morning of superman's court appearance metal was developed by private company what company lex court Like sleuther I feel like uh, because she's like, oh, would you testify and he's like, no, I don't want to lose my job It's like this is is this not huge Yeah, you think that but I guess not This creates some tension as she rushes off to tell him before he can testify Sadly, she doesn't get there in time or he might have been able to stop the explosion Well, so but Telling clock that it was lex that set the whole thing up I don't think that makes him any less apathetic about being framed Like that's why he's sad, right? He's like, man, I've been framed for something I didn't do and it's like, yes, but lex framed you like okay Still sad I guess that might have made him made him look for the bob But he wouldn't have seen it anyway because it was covered in lead So that doesn't have any effect on the plotline And it also didn't because she couldn't talk to him in time So yeah, these these are all sort of not working out Weird sounding bomb, wouldn't it? That is a very strong sounding bomb. It was like a transformers noise almost. Hmm. Kind of yeah Like transformers with bomb What was the point of lex with the blowing up congress people knew almost immediately afterward about the bomb He was his chair. So if lex is trying to frame superman for explosion, he failed miserably The only argument someone could make for this is that he was blowing up The holly hunter at the same time as he was throwing the girl on the train And so he's trying to crush and kill anyone who knows the truth But like The problem with this is that so many people should know the truth If not everyone yeah, and if you're trying to Convince people to hate superman if someone tries to kill All these congress people and superman and we know that it definitely wasn't superman I feel like we're not going to be very inclined to think superman is a villain You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I don't think I get it The reason people get confused about this is because of the fact that like the idea that he's blowing up All these people to prevent the story from leaking that it didn't actually happen the way it's been presented I don't even know that crosses our minds because as viewers You're like well no one believed why would anyone believe that superman did that stuff at the beginning Why would anyone believe like they would know by now? It's there's no way that's That's accepted But uh, I see all this. I don't know what his defense is. Let's find out Was the point of the blowing up congress people knew almost immediately afterward about gabon in warless's chair So if lex was trying to frame superman for the explosion he failed miserably Here's the idea that superman didn't know Lex Luthor's plan was not to frame superman the explosion at the capital achieved two goals First goal lex wants to expose superman to the public as a fraud neither all powerful. He's not He's not a fraud that comes under the framing argument Like if he's gonna say he didn't want to frame for anything But he did want to make it look like he might have been involved. It's like Oh, well, that's just like a step away From that same. That's essentially the same idea. Yeah, and if the idea is that like, oh Isn't powerful enough to save every bomb that just makes him like sympathetic You know, I mean yeah, and he's seen a victim too He's seen getting bodies out of the well I said body you know injured people out of the building for a while when it's happening Like after it's happened rather it's like I don't this would be the kind of thing where if someone like joined this call and they're like Do you fucking see that shit with the cabin building exploded? We're like, oh, yeah, it's like do you think superman did it that asshole like no He's like, okay, but you think he was involved. It's like why no because like he didn't why would he do that? How would he save them? He didn't know there was a bomb there Well, he can't be he like is every catastrophe his fault because he can't save everyone And then they're like, well Well, and it's like wasn't he yeah, look at this footage. He's saving people from the building What is your theory here? Why would this good be good for him? Why would he want this to happen? No idea If we want to make a if we want to make something about his incompetence then that Theoretically the bomb would have gone off regardless of whether or not he's there Oh, man, because they weren't trying to kill superman Because it's just a normal bomb. So I guess the thing is They just wanted to surround him with bad press of the bomb explosion I just love like he wasn't trying to frame him shot of was superman involved God is all powerful He cannot be all good and if he is all good Then he cannot be all I never cared about this statement Okay, so it's so the select slither's whole plan here was just approved to everyone that Superman isn't perfectly capable of saving everyone all the time Like what I feel like people already knew that and also this just makes superman more sympathetic True and you know what does that better than anything lex does in this movie? Man of steel And if you have characters who are like, you know That's superman guy like he's trying and then another guy's like, you know He could be doing a lot fucking better jerry and he's like, okay Geez, I agree. Yeah You know and that and that could be that's the discussion on superman Why is he doing so shit? And it's like why is he helping at all? He doesn't have to he's like, oh, fuck you Yes, he does and then he's like no, he doesn't meh slaps I actually have a question. Uh, is it public knowledge that superman has x-ray vision? I don't know Because I don't think yeah, I don't think everyone knows that well, they would know right from the explosion that it was a Lead casing, right? There'll be something they could tell right. Well, why probably they literally do tell that so I'm an idiot You know though, I guess that he puts in a lead casing to get past the uh, the x-rays at the capital security. So I guess That's fine I don't think I don't think the general public knows that he has x-ray vision I don't know when that would have come up. Is that how that works? Like if you go through something and it scans it just it's like a big blank sort of Square like the does that work that way that an x-ray? They would just be like well if it's if it's in a like a wheelchair I guess that it's just assumed to be kind of innocuous I guess he didn't getting good through like an x-ray machine. They just went through detector, right? Well, putting putting a wheelchair through a metal detector is not going to do Much of anything in terms of telling you what's going on there. I don't know if you went. Yeah, it's Right Okay So then I don't know like it is like a question in my head But I don't know if it's an actual flaw other than they just they let him in because he's got a wheelchair He's a guy who needs a wheelchair let him in. He's like, okay I don't know because if they did any kind of scan surely it would show up as a solid piece in there And they're like wait, that's unusual for a wheelchair. I would assume, you know Yeah, but that's assuming I guess that some kind of scanner Well, I guess they don't put Wheelchairs through x-ray machines. They would just go through the metal detectors So then the question becomes I guess That lex somehow knew about super bands x-ray vision, which is how he accounted for Putting the bomb in a lead in casing James just highlighted He uses it in man of steel in the interview with lois and talks to the military through the glass So I guess the military knows So they know but I don't think Well lex hacks into the military's information banks and he discovers the truth And he tells everyone Where was that movie? Well, what you're supposed to do is infer as much as possible that could could heal the movie That's what you're supposed to do for zack So write it for him, right? Oh, absolutely. The amount of writing we've done this stream has been a little A little intense on what I will say Can you be? If Superman isn't seen as the perpetrator of this massively televised explosion That will be talked about in the news media for months to come He will be seen as the one who wouldn't or couldn't stop it from happening So he he just counted an argument He said if he isn't seen as the perpetrator, he will be seen as someone who couldn't stop it And it's like wait. So like if he isn't framed, he'll be screwed over When you said it wasn't about framing at all, like Also, I don't know. I feel like the fact that he couldn't stop it I don't know if that makes him like Untrustworthy surely people know. Yeah, it's just he's not able to do everything This happened on a huge scale in Man of Steel. There's loads of people he didn't save Like why would this be new? Yeah That's true We're talking about like oh, he saved you know billions and it cost Possibly a hundred thousand lives or something. It's like damn in the next film He didn't save anybody in the capital building and about 50 people died. You're like, oh I mean, I guess that would be the more outrageous thing. It was the 50 people playing that way But at the same time once you get the details, which we would all get eventually It's like I mean, what do you expect him to do? It was an inferno instantly Like he can't he doesn't have the capacity to do anything about that I guess that maybe the It could be somewhat more outrageous given that It happened in the capital with all of congress in there So wouldn't the outrage be directed at whoever may have done that? And then it turns out it was the wheelchair guy and they're like, oh the wheelchair guy did it Fuck that guy. It wouldn't be fucked Superman. Like what exactly can he do? Yeah Because Superman is among the people who are victimized by it. He just survived. You know what I mean? Like it would make him more sympathetic. I think and then one press conference where he's like I came here to speak on the events of you know, wherever that place was And I respect the system and I want to You know, make sure that you guys understand where I'm coming from Unfortunately, it seems someone took this opportunity to do something horrible tragic And I wish I could have stopped it, but there was nothing I could do Just want to highlight got got person jets Jordan crow saying I'm in a wheelchair. We get padded down and swabbed for bomb residue. We do not go through metal detectors So this this plan really shouldn't have worked this this wheelchair shouldn't have gone through a capital security Yeah What would they do because he said padded down and swabbed let's pretend for a second that there's nothing on him And they've protected him from a potential swab Like what what do you what would they do with a chair? That's got this whole bulk at the bottom of it that you can't access. Do they leave it or do they go? That looks someone else in the comments said sometimes what they'll do is they'll have wheelchairs there and they'll like Like take someone and put them in one of their chairs Yeah, like they lock up your one to take back later and you have to use Like a company a special one design a safe one if you will mean I don't know how the capital specifically does it but Hmm. Yeah, we just assumed there would be some kind of security to stop something like that from happening, but I don't know That's I didn't see it long standing right there. I didn't see it Investigate why it is that you you know didn't see it Well and then like is there anything that you can't see through. Oh my god That's a wheelchair man had a lead. How about that? I wonder if they found that in the wreckage Wow, my god, someone's trying to set you up. How about that? Oh, I we should contact a journalist. Oh wait the point of this scene is to make him sad so he goes and visits his snow dad Snow dad tells him about the drowned horses that made him give up on the idea of good. Do you remember that? That's a great scene Fucking he basically says like there was a problem. I tried to solve it and it cost more lives like Oh, I see And then he says when I met your mother she like gave me faith that they're still good in the world It's like what? Wow, you're a All right, you uh And you see lois is the equivalent She's the one that reminds superman is still good in the worst like you guys have not earned any of this You just say that it's true Second goal this right here this face that explosion is for him, but it did not take much to push him Yeah, but we've already been over how a rational person would not be angry at superman for this and yet the world's greatest detective is a fucking moron That's how it always works Hooray, we did it. It's always bug me the there's so much information about superman the Bruce apparently doesn't give a shit about Keep in mind that this is his point his his whole argument is well Batman like this explosion is for Batman the world's greatest detective Batman is supposed to look at this explosion and figure that superman do whatever one else goes. No, he didn't do he obviously didn't do it Yeah, the world's best detective would be like, well, that wouldn't make any sense if he did it wasn't motive This is the thing and it would be interesting for him to sort it all out to collect as much information as he can to go to the site Maybe even in the batman outfit and look around and try and figure out what's going on Yeah, we should call the world's greatest detective batman to come and see what he comes up with Overaction red notes big bang you let your family die The explosion makes wallace kief look like a crazy suicide bomber who wanted revenge on superman for what happened in metropolis This pushes bruce wane further over the edge by adding wallace kief and all of congress to the death toll Can you not tell by your own graph that this is fucking insane? Look at this. It's nice and simple It's it's a journey How does it disgrace superman if you just said the point isn't to frame superman for this? Like how Why is batman the only person who thinks superman is responsible and then all of the information the world's greatest detective All the information points the other way any rational person would be like, man That sucks what happened Like superman could have done anything about it especially if the information about the lead comes out Then there's just nothing. Oh, yeah, you'd think that you know with lois being so close to superman and her being a You know seasoned journalist reporter With a personal interest in this you think they'd get to the bottom of it pretty quickly But I guess they just don't so okay then So that superman supposedly responsible for and batman sees himself as responsible for stopping superman So you can bet he feels responsible for this What he should not Someone decided to blow up the capital building because of superman's Possible negligence in the first movie. We never really know exactly what he's mad at outside of he can't piss standing up and his wife left him because Yeah, so like the idea that's like i'm responsible because I haven't stopped the guy who was responsible for dropping something on another guy Who's legs broke when he was saving the world and so he blew up the capital building You see the causal chain. It all leads back to me. It's like What here you go That's insane. This is the event and to break into lexcorp steal the kryptonite and go after superman So that's a win-win win Batman steals the kryptonite from lex luther off-camera that would have been a much more interesting thing to work. I mean, yeah I agree Yeah, that would have been that would have tea to watch How about you cut out the murder batmobile sequence Cut that out from the movie because it's completely unnecessary And oh, I feel I think we really really needed to see how much that batmobile just wait fuck shit up Remember what this fight scene they're talking about it could be around. I don't know three minutes three three minutes 15 seconds Maybe where could we cut? Yeah, three minutes and 15 seconds from this movie to make room Hmm something that would represent like, you know a small percentage something that maybe doesn't add anything to the plot and yet still exists Hmm I don't know I mean you're gonna have to narrow that down I you know what the whole movie a lot of scenes in the movie like that. Yeah, it doesn't add to the plot. Okay Do you have even the slightest idea how little that narrows it down? Now this argument is where I catch people being intellectually dishonest with me Tell us about that. Oh not good. This has been an interesting effort Put it that way. Yeah Really really interesting hearing him say this after that conversation After a little detour we went on Yeah This argument also tend to dislike Zack Snyder films Especially the action scenes These people tend to complain if he doesn't make good films. What do you believe them for? Yeah, who are you talking about? You're just referring to an amorphous to them Well, we just said that we would like it But if he actually said like wait, you think the film is bad because it doesn't show I was like no, I just the film's terrible. No, I just think it would have been more interesting than the shit we got Hey, okay I'm gonna compliment this movie for just a tiny little bit. The warehouse fight is great I really like the warehouse fight So if we had a second batman action sequence that was like the warehouse fight, I'd be even happier Yeah, what do you think of the batman warehouse fight? Fine It's not good enough Well, it's the best way to make it feel It didn't really get any kind of response out of me. It's fine There you go done and done. Yeah About the red action scenes in this film incessantly, so let's be honest with ourselves You do not want to see batman hospitalized a bunch more guys in another zacks. Yes, I do I do. That sounds like it's a lot of money See, that sounds like it's the last what I expect from him was to say this argument is pretty subjective So I'm just gonna move on instead. He said you don't want that Thanks. Yeah, I think I know what I want. This is the one good scene in the movie This is the one scene in the movie where I'm like genuinely enjoying this movie unironically even with batman Like killing people with throwing crates at their heads and seeing their brain matter splatter on the wall behind them as their Body slides down lifelessly to the floor. I I unironically like this stuff. Give me more of it. That's all that's all It's so obnoxious too because I bet he would defend that scene earlier Now when it's like what if we have this other scene? It's like you don't really want that No, you know, how about how about we go with two more scenes like this? How about three? How about an entire movie like this? Yeah, just a series of short films of batman being cool with his gadgets and his Punching bad guys that sounds like a cool thing. Yeah, if you can have choreography That's consistently this good go for it. This was a great action sequence. It was shot well choreographed well I mean the stakes in the story is surrounding it were shit, but everything else like just in a vacuum This scene is is nice. It's a it's a good scene You're just looking for more things to complain about why would you go that direction dude? Why would you just You don't just look for more things to complain about Ah horrible look I wish we had a cool action scene. You're just looking for things to complain about This would be like in terms of battle strategy. He has some weird choices It's like my first defense is that it's not really that long. You're like, you should just don't just don't put that It's like my second defense is you don't actually feel your feelings. Like, okay Skyler Presley, you don't want substance you want three and a half minutes of filler. What do you call the batmobile sequence? I mean The so where you're wrong about the batmobile sequence is That uh batman needs the kryptonite and he attaches the homing thing on it And that leads to again it later. So yeah There you go. Oh, okay. There you go. That's it was worthwhile for all that to watch everything blow up And you'd complete the missing scene just as vehemently And now all the preparation is complete. So all lex has to do is kid kidnap martha personal win Personal win Martha You split up your wins into business and personal A little faded out crying This personal win thing it refers to when he was in the supermarket once she cut in line and he was like really Well, you think you're you think because You're just I'm gonna get my big graph out and I'm gonna make a little slot for you. Whoever you are Bartha martha. Okay. Oh my god, you're you're that martha. Yeah Serve martha The ken to lure superman. By the way, this is why people say that saxonitis films are genius You you have people making these graphs and it's like this is how complex a plan is and how incredible it is Now it counts for everything Except it's the opposite and it's really dumb, but it makes absolutely zero It falls apart at each portion and it takes seven hours and 14 minutes to go through all of it Okay, including comments from the creators saying it's all bullshit We do it a service, okay Now and into fighting batman to save martha Bring me the head of the bat If batman wins gg easy if superman wins then he becomes a disgraced murderer and no if batman wins then like Well, then you got what do you think batman's just gonna be okay with this and then you got doomsday to deal with Batman's not exactly like It's not the biggest thing. Yeah, batman's not exactly the most popular guy around right now. I imagine Yeah, batman doesn't care nearly as much about his image. He will fuck you up And plus he's gonna find out things and how how are you gonna know what superman tells batman? What if superman did the obvious thing and he's like, hey, this this is what happened What are we gonna do? Imagine for a moment that he goes on to a show for an interview and they're like you killed batman He goes, yep, let me go. Why he goes. Oh, he tried to kill me Like wait, so offense also here's the story surrounding why this engagement ever took place Yep, nobody does that in these movies. Oh By the way, uh in his prior two videos, I think it's in the martha one He argues that the fight scene is fantastic and like none of it. It's all in line with the characters He also says Um, I would play it. But I just we need to this needs to end. Uh, but he says that People I can't keep going on like this. He says the people complain They have no ideological difference at the core that they're fighting over and he says well. Yes They don't have to What hey It's just like oh Is that what people complain about and uh, well, I think some people do but the fact is he basically goes on to say Like no their fight doesn't have like they have two modes of operation. They're fighting because they think That there's the better one. He literally was like they fight because they're very angry at each other And Until they're not and then they're on the same side again He argues that all of the throws that superman does to him in the beginning While not talking is to prove to batman that he's stronger than him and that he needs to listen to him Listen to him do what he's gonna kill him So Superman picks him up and throws him and then picks him up and throws him and then drags him through a whole building and then throws him down because That's his way of showing bruce that he will die if he continues to fight and so he must listen to what he's gonna say next Like you see that oh where what what he's arguing the inference Yeah, what he's arguing is that all of that is in favor of the conversation Like it's good that he did that because the conversation could now happen Unfortunately batman uses a kryptonite grenade and that spoils it So all that time with the miniguns hidden and the metal bins and tried he says that a lot of people Missed this that he tried and he plays the clip where he goes I was wrong lex and then ching and he goes When he's like you see he tried and then he says batman's not interested and it's like yeah, he should be though He should be very interested and superman should be extremely Insistent on getting this information out not just I tried sort of once and I got interrupted. So I guess It's consistent Go ahead. It's consistent with superman's character. He tries one time It doesn't work and he just stops trying again. That's just that's just how it works. Oh, yeah, I guess that's true Well, this is the fundamental right It's like he has to throw him again throw him throw him again Then throw him through a building to then tell him you need to listen to me. It's like maybe if he just spoke Yeah, you just used your mouth to say the words, you know, it's like superman knows that Batman is bruce wane. He calls him bruce from the beginning of the fight He uh, he deliberately says save martha because he knows that that name is a trigger word for bruce Why not go? Hey, my mother martha is in danger. Why doesn't he open with save martha? um, his rationale for the martha thing Is that you guys aren't gonna believe me. I'm gonna say it and you're not even gonna believe me that this is the argument I'm just remembering. Oh boy So he says The reason superman doesn't say save my mum is because superman knows that that wouldn't interest bruce because bruce said I bet your parents told you that, you know, blah blah blah my parents died in a gutter He uses that clip and he says this is how superman knows that if he appeals to the fact that It's his mum that won't work what he'll do instead is appeal to a name a person and it'll make bruce realize Oh my goodness a human being is in trouble This is pathetic And then it's actually pathetic and then he's like but who is this person? Batman's like who is martha? Who is this person then lois explains? It's his mother and that of course makes him stop But it's like wait wait, but you said wait So bruce wain so batman's not going to care about Someone named martha. He'll be he'll be concerned by a person being in danger Which doesn't change anything but it's as long as superman says hey my mother's in danger Remember batman who stops the choice that he's about to kill him and then he reconsiders killing him on martha He only drops the spear when he's told it's his mother. So he's wrong save the dream Yeah, he's wrong. He's just wrong and by the way, go check out the martha video guys. I'm not lying That's the argument. I was very tempted to play that as well, but fuck me I think this is the end of our coverage of twin perfect. Okay It's not happening. I mean maybe he maybe he concede that point, but ultimately he doesn't really care So it's fine. Yeah, he if you brought this interview should be like well It's more so the point of the seat and he's like, okay, I need to eject from this And yeah, I guess the other thing to say would be the These these videos these are in the category of videos that were pitched to me as very good defenses of the dceu Like what do you guys think? Oh, no I think they were I think they were having a giggle I think they were setting you up like these are they were they were He's a shark. Also. This is this guy his video on twin peaks is the video. I get recommended anytime I criticize anything about twin which is good in general but has some flaws Anytime I point out any flaws. They're like, oh, you have to watch this video by this guy twin perfect He explains everything and it all makes total sense if it is anything at all like these videos It sounds like a dumpster fire Well, people have said he explains lex's fucking motivations like no, he doesn't he just writes this crazy network of options That somehow account for every single variable that resulted either superman dying or superman being disgraced Which is his only interest there's nothing to do with killing him It hurts. Yeah It does hurt doesn't it it does it makes you just This makes me appreciate like the major lee debate And the yes and debate because like they were like, you know, I it's hard to say I feel like there was something there to latch on to they go after yeah, they cared about getting the reference And this is just like ramblings of a lunatic Um, well as we now know yeah, the references don't matter because the actual content of the story doesn't matter Yeah, when we can't do anything with a person like that, unfortunately, we don't have that kind of power. Okay, e-fab chat When someone says references don't matter You're in a different realm to us at that point Um, but yeah, major lee did care about getting references accurate Um, remember yes and said that there was plenty of evidence for denarius going insane And he cited that she walked into a fire when she knew she was immune to fire That was good evidence. It's a good reference Ren's reviews cared a lot more about references. He did indeed Especially when it came to the mass making device Reputation has delivered a killing blow and then lex luther can use doomsday to kill superman afterward. What gg But then you have doomsday Doomsday is a bit of a problem. I don't know destroying a bomb with a nuke Oh, we destroy super destroy superman's reputation and kill him. It's like, oh, all right Good job What's your plan on the doomsday What happens if superman kills doomsday the monster that could have destroyed the whole world Then suddenly superman's reputation is looking pretty good. Oh everyone's gonna be like, yay Thank you superman for saving us from doomsday. You did it. Well, yeah, all these monsters, man Who's behind this and we got to keep superman around? Why is it a foregone conclusion that doomsday will kill superman as we see That's what i'm getting at reputation is tarnished that he kills doomsday thus saving the world And now you're going to jail It's a foregone conclusion because i think you're gonna go to jail either way Oh, yeah It's supposed to kill superman This is the kind of guy who would chop your arm off to rescue from an infected finger You're like, that's the way to do it You're like, but then I don't have an arm just like no finger infection No arm no finger infection. Well, if would it matter if you don't have an arm if you were dead That's the question you'd ask you It's like that's a solution, right? If I kill you, you won't be upset that you don't have an arm You're like, oh my god, but it's just an ingrown tone. That's more interesting. You know, it's just itchy You don't need to I think I'd be all right It won't itch for law you've lost I don't know how to lose if anything goes Imagine using that club to support this fucking network I don't know how to lose He literally loses that solves it Is wrong for example if superman kills lex upon learning of his mother's abduction I don't know I would not let them tell me Yeah, like The whole motivation is like you can't if you kill me. She dies. You can't kill me Well, then doomsday is a ticking time bomb waiting to bust out and kill the whole work. Thank you for agreeing Wait a minute. I thought earlier you said that doomsday only comes out because lex activates him. Yep. Bullshit Bullshit No, whoa, he needs bullshit. He needs the opposite argument right now. So shut up. He needs he needs to use Zack Snyder was that this is exactly how the movie is So who gives a shit? This is well, what was the point of that scene? Wait, which one? All of it was that work all of them. All of why are we here? The point of the movie was for you to think So I just want to talk about suffering. He intended Plato's republic If you were in like the call again, it'd be like so you agree right that doomsday wasn't just gonna hatch It had to be orchestrated by lex because obviously if superman did kill the bat Then he wouldn't want to just release doomsday, right? And he's just like Um, um, and it's like because if batman killed superman, you'd have doomsday and that just ruins everything It's like, yeah, yeah, he's on like a he's on like a button thing. You gotta press it But if Superman kills lex That would release doomsday and he would he would kill him like on a timer. He's like, yes You just be looking at his avatar waiting for him to connect those two dots. He's just like no What what's wrong with that? Yeah, either way this doesn't work out is either way it doesn't work some horrible calamity befalls the world or You get found out and discovered and destroyed or batman investigates and sees what's going on And then that gets revealed to the world There's just no way that this all works out. You've you've exposed yourself too boldly Yeah, it's catastrophic. It fails at every level and like every outcome will give him something that he doesn't want So great plan. Yeah, oh he's gonna zoom out. There it is a complete map of lex luther's plan illustrating about No maps are like I that's kind of an insult to the You know the maps I'm just spinning in the grave Different wind conditions for lex luther nine separate wind conditions for lex luther you hit it here nine Wait, yeah, one two three four five six seven eight I think he's counting the little grayed out one. That is the still eight though It's unfortunate that lex didn't account for the thing which actually fucked him over I can't think of a way lex wins at all that makes consistent sense Wait, am I retarded is is there more than right now? Yeah, wait, there's eight is eight one two three four five six But well, what's he counting what would he count some some of these as what Would it maybe account for like a a different way of getting to the same outcome would be another way Wind conditions the wind condition is Involved you actually winning that start is disgraced Someone sums it up really well They said lex's plan outcomes number one superman is mad at him or two batman is mad at him number three doomsday is mad at him There's no way it's not one of those and pot full question about pot five profit Yeah Lolli can't count because he was his intention to say eight, but he said nine. I I don't know. I just i'm assuming it might just be a flub or if there's something i'm missing about this map of lex luther's plan illustrating about nine separate wind conditions for lex luther all roads at about Eight is about nine eight is it's about me I mean to be fair one is one is it's about two Yeah That works even after doomsday is defeated and lex luther's master plan fails He still has one final trick up his sleeve, but he had nine ways to succeed one final trick up his sleeve Wait, what is what is he referring to like calling dark side? Because I you know, I'm so far gone on this. I want him to say he cold up dark side He's like, can you kill superman, please if you happen to destroy it Also the world fine I just gotta get rid of this superman guys He still has one final trick up his sleeve one last backup plan to a backup plan to a backup plan In lex luther's use of the ship's computer. He learned about other aliens that want to conquer earth Now it could have been an exchange for power or it could have been some nihilistic desire to destroy the world An impotent rage nihilistic desire to destroy the world in impotent rage What? Where'd that come from when when was that ever in the film when? Well, it's just like the scene where he paid all the people to do the things What the fucking Do you remember when this video was argued all those different motivations from things that are even the movie and now he's just like Yeah, you could just want to destroy the world like what? Well, I mean at least you didn't have to make up a scene for that to happen You're just saying maybe he wants the world to die What a great that's quaint. What a great motivation his plan explained. You might want to destroy the world. I'm not sure He's in the world. Maybe Maybe let superman just do his thing if you think he's so bad If he lined all this out to me at the beginning of bvs's events, I'd be like, um Maybe just yeah, just don't do anything at all. You know Seems like everything you do makes everything worse. Like there's just nothing you do that that improves the situation Yeah, because the status quo that's bad about this, you know, if what you don't like about the world It isn't because of superman Yeah, it was bad before he got here Yeah, and if you're talking about what he was doing anything it's about saving the world Yeah, if anything superman is just he's he's sort of doing all right You know in in his in his off time fighting interstellar demons and galactic enemies He's you know, he's saving people from mudslides and stuff just um, that's pretty that's nice Me repository said keep doing that. Did he just argue that lex? I don't want to just I want to destroy powerful people luther intentionally called dark side to destroy humanity Oh Fuck yeah, he did yeah, we were focusing on all of the other inconsane problems That is a big one He called the person that he if dark side was on earth from the beginning. He would have wanted to kill dark side in the universe He I mean dark side is literally a new god and you fucking hate god. So why the hell did you call him? It's like summoning ya way to destroy zeus because you can't Stand a god that's powerful zeus existing. It's none of this has ever made any sense They're playing jammed up with and just the gods Just to to tie it off full circle at the end of the day He says a whole bunch of shit, but what he really wants is just to stir the pot and see Like that's the only thing that makes any sense. Yeah, like he's mixing the stew and he randomly pulls it up to be like Is this is this something no, okay mix mix mix full back up. It's like this looks like something I don't know Fuck what if I summoned another god to destroy the world? Let's see what happens by the way Fuck it. I'll tell you what though this shit. It really makes you appreciate vulture and zemo and Fuck yeah Fuck the dceu villains. Yeah, I get Yeah, the fact that what what's his name steppenwolf? That's such a dumb name. He's kind of probably the best Yeah, it's insane one thing. Um, is who's the worst currently? Is it lex now? um I because this is Because we saw it lex is odd might be drawn for worse because lex is fucking crazy Like nothing acts does mix any fucking sense Yeah, let's yeah, let's just Yeah, we can discuss who is worse with people defending the movie by saying he might want to destroy the world. I'm not sure Is that But is that what's really making my soul for me? So i'm gonna kill everyone Well, that's not like like the problems with zahda just the movie, you know Like every decision he makes is all really stupid. We've been over it. It's just I i'm kind of amazed by it right now Um Yeah, it's gonna be really tough to choose between lex and zahd I'm trying to think of like, okay. Let's go this way What is let's go with the the highest peak in the lowest valley? All right for these guys So if we're gonna compare because they're both just awful mush, so we gotta go for the extremes, right? Yes What is the best that these at the best moment for these characters? What's the best that they do? This is not a Start with zahd does is yell you guys on a farm. Yeah All right, so zahd wants so what is originally zahd gets imprisoned, right? He's still sort of villainous kind of at that point so What like zahd's original motivation to kill the council is because they're gonna get the planet exploded Yeah, and he doesn't want that to happen. He also wants and he doesn't want that So good on him good on him for not wanting to be on an exploding planet Yeah, good job zahd. Yeah our bow was large right now All right, huh? So i'm gonna try and provide something maybe want the world to end I'm gonna try and provide something of relative equal value. I don't know if it'll be put above or below or on point But okay lex was beaten by his father and thus he hates powerful people So he became a powerful person. I don't fucking so he gets the best I could do leave me alone All right, so well, I don't want to get ahead of ourselves so the highest What's the best that zahd is like when he's at the his peak good villain What would be the the highest high? I'm gonna kill. He kills jurell with his tentacle blade. That's what he does I actually have a Think it might be the you know that very first scene where like Has the little coup against the council That might be the best and kills one of them to show him that he means business and then the rest of him He's gonna have i'm not gonna let you destroy the planet and destroy our civilization. I'm taking over That's okay. That's yeah We're building a side. That's fine. I would say either yeah the coup by a general I think I told you before was I just kind of liked it because it was like a glimpse of what they could have done when he's like Subzahd and then the girls like that's general zahd and he goes oh we can forgive Failures of decorum cow is new to yes like obviously he wouldn't know about that So it would be unreasonable for you to be such a fucking bitch caron all the goddamn time. What is it with you? show of respect But maintaining humility and just trying to be welcoming while also strong It's just like that could have been zahd that would have been neat that could have been yeah But this is the outline for him. No, of course. It's not him So that's the is that the like because I don't have any ideas for lex. Yeah, that's a pretty reasonable one Yeah, I'd say those two are yeah, it's not bad Does anyone here have anything good to say about lex? The best thing you can say for lex is that that really at the end of the end of the day his only motivation caused chaos Because I would say all that stated motivation motivation is nonsense You know what I mean So if we have the scene where lex is like, yeah, we should have a silver bullet for space aliens, which is a reasonable thing Oh, that's true. He does so he has that one scene So that's Like that's something something that's a good idea and there's a good idea. Yeah, that would be a thing someone would say Guys, you have to understand the bar is very low right now Was that all just bullshit in service for something else? Well, this guy all I'll say that was the best thing he did, right? He said that this wasn't his motivation. That was just a fake motivation I was like, oh no But I thought he did believe it. It's so confusing If we pretend that's who he actually was and that scene works on its own that might be the high for him Both of these are super early on Yeah, I'm I'm fine and believe it's like max lord. He's best early on But I'm I'm fine with the idea that he truly believed that's a good idea Like because it is It just also fulfills his personal goals of I could use this to kill superman Of course, we have to assume that he wants to kill superman, which I think he clearly does Um, sometimes despite what this movie thing's trying to say, but It makes sense the lowest of both Oh, fuck So the lowest of okay, let's go back to in order lowest of zahd World-engineering the earth that's probably like the most cataclysmically stupid decision He could make for not only his team, but also the team that is clearly against him And they're powerful alien that's going to destroy him for doing it Yeah, I would I would say that if it is zahds, he really wants to protect those embryos So it's lowest low. His lowest low should be centered around that I feel in a in an event that directly ties to its potential destruction that he Like so waging war on earth and terraforming earth is a big thing. Yeah His decision to engage in terraforming earth against all reason Yeah, when he knows that superman can fly into a ship and blow it up at any point Yeah Yeah, it's not just can superman beat me superman could just fly through the ship and punch it and it blows up I'm assuming we all agree that the equivalent low point will be creating doomsday. What a fucking stupid decision Yeah Yeah, I don't how do we um I guess since i'm more confused about uh Lex Luthor's goals, it doesn't seem as directly contradictory. You know what i'm saying? Oh, you mean like zahd's goals should be really obvious We'll create a huge network of reasoning for why he did everything Well, well zahd specifically says In his avatar beach scene What his point is and his motivation is and he just spills it all out for everyone So I feel like we'd know we understand him more But is that what makes his plan? Yes, that's yeah, I think I get what you mean It's like the fact that we know what his plan is means that we know how it's contradictory where it's with lex We've got my fucking clue. Yeah with lex is a rule out which which one was worse Lex can't contradict himself Well, I would say at the same time he can't contradict himself and he only contradicts himself like it's happening at the same time This is all over the place. Yeah, so Probably just mark them both as the worst it's possible. Yeah, maybe it's a tie Should we just toss a coin for the first? Well at that point you probably want to pull for chat. Should we should we have chat vote? Well, I'm gonna be honest. Who's worse z or l. I'm pretty sure Pull come on moller. What is it? I'm pretty sure that um chat have a bias towards zod in a good way Because everyone hates this lex and a lot of people really like Yeah, so that's kind of bullshit Well It's unfair because you guys still aren't is it matters to us sucks, you know Some of you anyway, well, it's it's as unfair as it'll ever be right. It's just asking chat, you know Yeah, I would be curious. Yeah, we could ask. Yeah, we we can we can humor them, you know, chat over there And way more l's than we are zed Yeah I don't know. Yeah, it looks like yeah, it looks like the elves have it Lex is worse. Yeah, I'm not sure myself. They're both That's kind of true Yeah, well in personal enjoyment, I prefer zod. Oh, absolutely because it's not in place I actually but just in terms of like I kind of in a weird way. I think I enjoy lex, but in a medicines Like it's bizarre to watch, you know I really find zod humorous. Just the on I think I think he is funny that it helped him out the thumb Like that's just And michael said he did set up having he did set up krypton having its chance. So he gets the assist for that See several people say like Oh zod is funny lexus cringe. That is true. I've seen a lot of that like at least zod is fun to watch. It's like well Yeah, I mean, uh I mean, like We should probably do it by panel, right? Like we usually vote and Um, go for it. Yeah, and we're gonna have to allow I was gonna say abstaining or drawing I guess but um I think I would gun for um I'm honestly tied because I was about to say like This the thing we've been over it's like well Zod clearly makes less sense because he's so clear on what he wanted to do and he's gone against it completely But it's like yeah, but lex Is a jumbled mess of of just nothing. It's just nonsense. But I think I'm just gonna abstain It's up to you guys Why so do we just go from left to right then? Sure For which is worse, which feeling's worse. Yeah, which is worse. That's what we're yeah Uh Oh also before you go, I think that um because we're we're going by diving scores here in a way um, so like Lex was not in the way that zod was zod was like bio engineered to be great at what he does That's true. It's this whole time. So he isn't is embarrassing Yeah, so it's like an extra hit against him because he was bred in embryonic stages It belongs to be an insane tactical train on a farm. You didn't know. Yeah, lex lucre probably don't even know what a farm is Uh, I'm gonna say Zod's writing is slightly worse, but he's more entertaining to watch I Uh, man This is what it's all been for this whole arc is just deciding between awful and it's really hard staggered You know what I think I might have I Yeah, I think I might have come around chat. Uh, I think I think I'm gonna go with lex very narrowly But yeah, I'll go with lex All right, I'm gonna go with oh Sorry Maybe he's not there really Rags um I am going to say That Zod is worse But he's more entertaining But I think that zod is worse We know his motivations And with his history and who he is he has less like excuse that kind of hurts him doubly. So Southport I'm gonna say that lex is worse just because I think that his motivation Uh For hating superman is a lot dumber than zod's motivation He's just edgy right at atheist basically It's a lot weaker than zod wanting to preserve krypton's future That at least makes some sense Even if the actions that zod takes to To cure that don't make any sense But we're dealing with lex's actions don't make any sense either so Yeah means theos the tiebreaker Do it theo Just just just before you decide just ask yourself if you ever want to be on this show again, but no pressure I was going to say I didn't even know that theos heard all of the arguments so I get it for Have you seen all coverage of the zod stuff because oof Not much at the same time The lex is pretty bad too. So yeah, I remember being viscerally Unentertained by zod when I saw man of steel a million years ago Thea the only wrong answer is to abstain. You just gotta pick a side I could have stayed. I don't know. I feel like I feel like if you if you don't pretty funny Yeah, if you don't have enough information, you can abstain Uh, we can leave it at a tie. It'll be e-fap civil war except I don't give a shit either way Like if I if I if an angel descended from heaven and told me actually lex really is the worst I'd be like, all right It's e-fap civil war we meet at the airport and like, you know, both sides are just facing up against each other. Like, yeah During the fight we constantly forget which side we're on Like we care we care so little we're like, wait, which side am I on if everyone's confused? No, it's It's just like every every zod or the lex side Every every day in the civil war. It's like the uh, the christmas in the trenches in world war one We just come together and we set aside our differences. So but however small they may be well, thea Uh, I'm probably going to go with lex on account of him being It seems like he's so fundamentally broken from the very first moment of conception As opposed to enough Like at the very moment they started coming up with this lex character They were already fumbling over themselves and tripping everywhere Spilling pocket spaghetti. Oh, that is a fucking amazing meme whoever made this god bless you That would be jolson that's a great meme That's a me joke and I get it so much and it warms my soul and waters my crops and I appreciate it Oh It's good that he did explain where he actually trained because zod wouldn't have known otherwise The jolly ranch I fucking love that song I can't even laugh at it because I like it so much in a weird way You just kind of want to That's just like you just want to say how funny it is It's just so good Could have been an exchange for power or it could have been some nihilistic desire to destroy the world in impotent rage But whatever the case he made a deal with these aliens to help him take over the world He helped him take over the world Wait, what does lex get out of it? He made a deal To take over the world. What when was that? I thought lex didn't want power That is not an either movie. That's not in the fucking movie. You can't like yeah And a deal is like you get something. I get something. So what is lex get you get death I thought he was implying that he's made a deal to gain power over the world But I thought he didn't want no and I would also wonder what he gave in return like at that point It's like I get to be king of earth you get uh, I don't know I have Mars is really nice this time of year And they've explicitly shown but heavily alluded to in luther's final scene He's hungry. He's found us And he's coming He's playing up to be angry and then we see him and we're like It doesn't sound like he's made a deal he likes he sounds deranged and he sounds really upset about this deal Yeah, like he's like, oh fuck. I fucked up And they actually show what's happening in the extended cut of the film But again, what do you mean they show it happening? What are they showing happening? Yeah I just saw a weird step and wolf hullongram. They don't show the deal What is this also? Once they get superman in justice league step and wolf were easy to kill. I feel like doom stay is actually a bigger threat Yeah, yeah It was a way bigger threat than step and wolf was step from wolf had no chance Hicks. Yeah, dude stephul was killed. I mean that might change in justice league But I mean the zack snider cut but still how many bad guys can say i'm so shit. My minions killed me Oh, yeah, that's true. That's true. I guess scar well Yeah, but scar was never about strength. Yeah, it was never the context. Yeah Yeah, he was explicitly upset that you know, he didn't get the the strong genes He got the brain genes he got killed by his minions because he got spooked Also, I would be more afraid of hyenas than parademons Like if I was if I was step and wolf I I don't know. I don't feel like the parademons could kill them I guess they do so never mind. Well, he doesn't like teleport away We don't know on his helmet. Yeah, they go into the portal Who does he decide when the portals happen once he I think so and once he portals away away from superman He'll he won't be afraid anymore and he'll be like They all go with him in the portal. Yeah, he won't be afraid though He'll be away from superman. So they won't eat him anymore because he won't be afraid But now he's now his fear is of the paradigm. Yeah, what if you're afraid of a parademon? That's a horrible loop to be caught in what if you was a parademon imagine being afraid of a parademon You're afraid of yourself. Yeah, what if you're afraid of? Like, you know, you're afraid of death and like what it might mean for you and whether there's not eating yourself Yeah, and now you know because you're dead Yeah, you need to see that to figure out what's going on You clearly need and that's just about all the arguments people make against the movie that are no Or more than just a personal dislike for zek's not even a fraction Even a fraction of them. There is a difference Oh No, no No, it's always just pistol preference I hope I could answer them all to people satisfaction And I hope people give the film another shot and watch no, no I will never watch how you watch this nine times is it and it's a testament to your own insanity Watch it again with all these points in mind Maybe you might even start to like the movie and if not, maybe you can at least appreciate not likely Nope, I don't think so. Yeah, while it is logically not impossible I highly doubt that I will begin to start liking this movie because of your video What zek's nighter was trying to do because isn't a bold and original but failed attempt way more interesting than a shallow Safe pandering. No justice league was better No, justice league was better. Justice league was legitimately better and more All right, by the way guys, the hot tag Justice league is the best one Right. Yeah, I don't think we've broken that out. Well, so I don't even But wait, so when we recorded Justice league It was concluded really quickly that wonder woman and bvs are better than it And I didn't bring it up at the time because I was just like maybe I need to think on it But I don't think Justice league is beaten out by bvs anymore And I also I think that it possibly may beat wonder woman In terms of structure Yeah, yeah Yeah, I don't want to call it yet. We'll do a justice league efab. We'll talk more about it. I'll go over more of it There's probably more wrong with it than um, we've seen just from the efab movies. Yeah But uh, so they're all trashed or whatever. Why are we here eddie? Why are we here? Yes? That's the thing. I was about to say I'm kind of known for my rather strong positions I take on things sometimes just for pure arbitrary entertainment But I I don't give a shit at all. It's one of these is worse I could totally be convinced and swayed and these are super tentative positions Hang on. Hang on. Uh, you got people saying no shizamas. We haven't watched shizam yet It might be the best one. Shizam is not included in the list yet It could very well be the best but it's a prey could very well be the best aquaman could know No But yeah, justice league was like when you really take it apart Yes, it sucks But like when you talk about bvs man of steel 114 type of sucking it's a whole new scale. It's like whoa We've entered into new like the best of these movies are just like regular bad Yeah, if that makes any sense. They're not like horrifically Catastrophically mind-numbingly bad. They're just like you go to the movie theater and you're like, well, that was bad And then you just move on with your life Shizam is easily the best. You're gonna be sad when we cover that one It's not gonna be easy Even if it gets it Yeah, even if shizam is the best one, it won't be because it's good. It's probably gonna be no more than a five I would imagine No, it's not going over four. I was gonna say four was probably the the skill ceiling for that one Well, I guess I'm just being so charitable that like I feel like the the highest we're gonna get with this stupid universe is like a five That I feel like that's as high as it's ever gonna get. It's very charitable of you Yeah, I know I mean, I'm not saying justice league's better. Really a heart take. I think not only is it a heart take in general It's a heart take in this community even which is the community of DCU sucks I'm pretty sure that's a crazy heart take I don't understand it. Why it is a heart take. I think that's what I hear. That's the thing That's it's odd. It's just it's considered god-awful justice league like just for all of the reasons Then what I think adds to it is that the normal people who just dislike the movies are like it's bad And then the snider fans are like, yeah, it's really bad. So it's like double points. There's no defense Oh, man So they do think movies can be bad. Oh, yes. Oh Oh my goodness, can we please finish this video? Yes, we can Ultimately inconsequential Failed attempt That is if you didn't stop watching after two minutes or spend the whole time seething at me for daring to try to find Something to enjoy about a thing. You don't like salty He is upset like the stocks guy It's like you don't watch before talking to them and then you watch the thing This has been a roller coaster. What an episode, you know Yeah, I feel like we've gone on a horrific adventure just so contrarian Oh, it's so contrary Oh god I have to write a review. I have to write a comment about this That was embarrassing This image here encapsulates how I feel about that last 15 seconds He certainly got us Classic wojak right there Awful video. I don't want to talk about that every suit man ever again. There there are great We've got we've got an offline e-fap to do. Yeah, there's no chance. We still have to do one more. Sorry Oh, do we? Yeah, and then we've got to talk about So suicide squad I know you're totally done with the bbs arc, but you know people The the fans haven't even seen our e-fap movies of it yet. You know, they catch it up And then we've also got aquaman inches in Oh god, I just want to take It's never gonna be over because we're we're still doing this even as they released new dceu movies We've got the suicide squad to do later this year. Hopefully that one's good. I'll play that one's good. Yeah It's really impressive how bad the dceu is. Yep. Yeah, I have to try. All right It's viciously bad. It's so bad. It's defend does argue. Hey It's that's the point of the scene though Hey, it's not that long Hey, you just Hey, you don't feel what you feel He's not as a genius. Okay In a certain sense he is. Yeah in a certain sense he is he's managed to convince so many people that he's really smart Yeah, that takes some kind of skill of a kind. Yeah It was stylistically designed to be that way I agree so Stonk listically The nearer of intelligence is a good substitute for you know for actual intelligence. Yeah I believe well I'm afraid I am too sleepy now to be able to reasonably Give good responses to read out super chat So I think this might be one of the ones we get to we have in a while I'm gonna add them to our overflow which by the way we were getting pretty close to finishing but I was thinking Recording that offline one Uh, maybe we can respond to as many as we can in that, you know Those were sort of Um Because yeah, I don't know. I think it was I think it was the debate portion like um, yeah, it tired me out Yeah, that really sapped our energy I don't imagine why very demoralizing it was it was a little and I don't know. I guess I expected better Like I don't know I expected more sincere convictions Me too. Me too. Yeah, that was very depressing. It was very disappointing frustrating All of the I would have much preferred someone who actually All these things sincerely and by all of them and then we could actually discuss honestly thought when he was like You can be a person who's like, I like this and I don't like this But when you say it's bad because of these reasons and their provable references I take issue with it. It's like, oh my god. This guy. He's finally. Yes And then he's like, well, I don't really care about that. It's like, what what do you know? No, but you let us on. Oh, why all you let us on All that I have to say is that there are no words in the tongues of men elves Orcs dwarves or any Xeno species that can describe What a horrific experience that video was and and that debate too Like package of I mean, I thought it was kind of fun, you know, in a good One point of compliment and I think I said this when we first covered him I like the videos formatting because It primes you for subjects and it gives you a portion of time to get your position ready Before he gives his defenses so you can make sure that the appropriate information is available So if he's like, oh criticism blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, then you're like, oh, so he's referring to this This is what happened. This is why it's broken Let's see what his defense is as opposed to like jumping around at random points and having to do it And it was easy on the eyes. He actually put visuals in You know, like I I know this sounds retarded, but like he He's like this is like better effort than a lot of people tend to put into their videos. It's just a really bad A lot of effort for something he didn't even care about The editing and presentation at least were fine. I'll I'll say that much Make a big thank Imagine a video twice or three times as long as this with equally shitty arguments, but worse presentation wouldn't that suck? That'd be terrible Mm-hmm. Yeah Yeah Yeah, I feel like times that's probably it for twin perfect coverage Especially that's the point of knowing like he doesn't give a fuck. It's like Like I said anybody who's that's too bad. I'm a fan of his work I got to imagine that was annoying to hear, you know Like you'd be like, oh Yeah, like it has to be something that makes you just go like, oh, no, I thought oh okay Um, and I don't know if it was because he didn't want to do the other argument if he said he did care he would have to start accounting for all of the counters, right? But if he says he doesn't then you can avoid all of it That's the only thing I could assume might be the other option But who knows, um Yeah, I don't know. I've got a I've got a wave of tiredness from that experience It was eight hours. So, you know, it's not like a short So don't get greedy guys. All right, we we're not you're dancing monkeys. All right Yeah They so the way this will work, right? What day is it right now? I forget Yeah, saturday for me for another what two and a half hours or so So Monday. Oh, we got we got things to do monday on tuesday. I'll probably drop an efab gaming on monday wednesday Hopefully will be efab movies man of stea. Sorry bv s and then friday. I'll release this on mula And then saturday will be streaming efab And so on As I figure out exactly how to release all of this sort of reasonable matter at some point we'll be recording the off-line bv s and then um after the next efab is probably going to be Not Snyder arc there will be Snyder arc again because we're running low on time. We're trying to catch up to uh To the Snyder cuts continuity. We're almost well technically speaking. We are they right because all you needed to do necessarily was Yeah, we don't need to watch anymore. We don't technically need to watch anymore Yeah, I think oh right our doctors they our doctors recommended that we are only allowed per month to watch so many hours of zack Snyder films So we're kind of we're not trying to overdo it Technically zack senator didn't do aquaman or shazam or birds of prey. So I think that we're clear to cover the Yeah, well, I mean it's in continuity We are we are up to date like we've seen all of the material that we need to see to our To to be You know this was his original vision. This was how it was meant to come out in 2017 for real definitely So we've seen all the content we need to see I just yeah Right down to the jokers. We live in a society line. That's right. Isn't that right batman? Um, I love being in a hunger hunger hunger Um, like I said When we record it, I'll try and do the super chance from this stream in it We'll get as many as we can done. We've got uh Next friday is the dark souls one race between myself for tear and metal If rags is available for that We will do as many catch ups as we can as well because that's going to be a long stream Trying to beat all of the dark souls one causes when are you thinking of doing it friday e-fap time probably Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, I'll be around you. Oh, yeah, you got that Then you got another stream after that you got the release of this one the release the e-fap movie Oof being a being subscribed to moola. Oh videos videos everywhere. It's a bumper crop this year Yeah But when is batman? That means that there is a lot I don't know when the next batman will be coming out. That's what when I said like I have no idea I'm not sure about that one. Um, but as soon as it's available It shall arrive on your screens because we've got to record another one of them too fun ahead but um Yeah, I guess we should do some uh, some some things of everybody talking about what they're up to in their respective Janie's online. I suppose do you want to go from the left? Makes the most sense Sense to me That's you capital Wait, sorry, what? I got distracted. What are you working on? Watch up to Oh, shit. Um, I am uh working on devs episode four. It's really bad Devs? Oh, you are doing devs. Yep. Yeah Yeah, devs is horseshit It is absolute horseshit and it's a lot of fun to Devs is I imagine that is fun to cover because it's so bad Um, just uh out of curiosity Do you think that the protagonist of devs is the dumbest protagonist you've ever seen in the show? It might be she's awful. Maybe she's she hurt She has this plan to like convince everyone she's schizophrenic when she Because she thinks that'll go really well for her and it totally backfires and it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life Uh, it's great. So yeah, it's great. Go check out You don't have to have seen devs to enjoy us shitting on it. It's a good time. Go check that out I can't believe it It was a really bad show. I'm glad I saw it so that I know the context of you shitting on it Yeah, I um how so you um, all right. Yeah, I need to go check those out I didn't know I would love to hear someone shitting on devs because it was because when moller and I we watched him We were just like oh fuck on jay's recommendation Oh my goodness gracious jay fucker You didn't apologize for recommending that to you. I should apologize I think jay watched devs but he has not watched Lord of the Rings. I know I know That is a true statement. What a thing Oh, hunker hunker. All right. Fringy, you're up Uh, crash full video. It's getting there. It's soon. Um, also I'm working on Fringy comic. That's soon Streams fairly regularly Um, and that's it Um, I guess we jump over to southpaw Well, uh working on multiple projects at once a couple of Uh fresh hot takes that I've got brewing. I won't say what they are. I'm gonna keep that on on the dl Um, but I'm also working on my last of us two video. It's a very long script. I've got over 100 pages written down It's uh, it's gonna be a chonker um Yeah, but progress has unfortunately been slow between work and having to Help raise a puppy at home. So don't have a whole lot of free time lately All right. Well fun stuff ahead then Fun stuff ahead. Um, I don't know which video you want to promote here. Theo probably the The series on the simpsons play does republic. Yeah that one Yeah, the series on the play does republic in the simpsons And Batman Well that one working on a critique of devil may cry 5 Between uni work and stuff and trying to keep motivation after the script died a few months back Uh, but working on it Stay away until then All right The second you do drop a video would be like guys remember the theo one. Yeah, you made a video Oh my god It's working I don't know if it's uh myself. I am I'm trucking along with the boys and I imagine rags is trucking along with mando Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think the script is just about done And it has been a wild ride going every time I I get the thing the moller does now where You go through and you look at it and you're like, I'll change that Change that it may be drop this away, but yeah, and we'll dive this a little bit and then maybe people will be Yeah, I didn't like to delivery that one. We'll go ahead. You're not making anything and you're like, I'm trying to make it really good Don't worry, not all my projects will be this is the biggest thing I've ever done in terms channel wise. Um, and I I'm not too keen on doing it often But uh, it's it's a nice project to do I want to take a poop on the show just so I get to be that person that meanie on the internet That one guy who doesn't fall in line I'll be right there behind you rags. Yep And I was bad you guys. Do you remember when the boy season two was considered like pretty good and it was a hot take? Say oh, shit. Remember that fucking hilarious those days die Um, so there's only season one rags. Oh originally it was it's only the first four episodes It's done when it's done. I might have I might have overdone it. I might have just lost all sanity and reason. The show's really bad. There's lots to talk about though So it's fun. It's fun. It's great Have a good time. We have fun here on eFab. It's great and and I guess I should mention uh in the past I wasn't really good at making videos, but uh the last december I I made a pretty decent one. I think uh My my my best one yet. I'd say I made a video on spider-man 2 Um, you may have heard about it here and there, but if you haven't watched it yet, give it a watch Might change your mind. It's some good rat. All right. Yeah, it's good I think it's a good video. Don't know about it. Here is lank Uh spooderman 2 is awesome and here's why that's what the video is called Check it out that that video is representative of the quality content or the quality of the content That I'm going to be producing uh from this point forward I'm putting an equal amount of effort into every video that I make as I did with that one took me about a month and a half Between writing recording editing as well as uh filtering all of my arguments through tons of people that disagreed with me To see that they held up. So Well me personally I've decided to stop putting effort into my videos and everything I do be a five minute Whatever movie came out this week. So stay tuned for more of that Exciting You know, I'm kind of efficient. I'm going to check out you both This is a good little like you get some of one thing and some of another, you know, that's that's the both worlds Yeah Um, and that about does expect a lot of clickbait titles Uh, we will catch you all on the next thing that happens on whatever channel you're watching So see you there whether live or From the past Um Okay, bye Hi everyone. Thanks for Out with us. Thanks for sticking it through. You all are troopers. Yeah Damn straight. Yeah super pooper troopers I didn't even hit end yet. I just you know, I was oh my god. Well twin perfect had his chance That joke is never gonna die That joke's neck will never be snapped. No, is that what you're saying? Yes, that is that is what I'm saying Thanks for hanging out. Thanks for doing this. Goodbye everybody. Goodbye again, everyone