 आज मेरे साथ, विद्या क्रिष्नन, वरिष्ट पत्रकार, इनोने ये स्वास्त विषे के उपर लग भग अथारा साल, इनोने अलग-लग website, पत्रिखा में इंकलेक प्रकाष के आगया है, इस से पाले वो हिन्दु अगबार की स्वास्त विवाग का संपातकते, विद्या जी कापका समय आपने आमे दिया, तो आज शुरु करते हैं जो 2018 में जो हमारी देशके जो सलिसित जनल तुशार मेंता, उनोनी कहा, की जिन लोग आज सरकार का लोचना कर है, सरकार का टिःपनी कर है, और इस में पत्रकार भी है, दिया प्रोफित्स अग्डुम, यहने की कायामत की पैगंबार, उनका कहना है, की हमारे मीट्या के कुछ लोग है, वो सरे सरकार का आलोचना कर है, सरकार दुख काम कर रहे, इसको तारीव नहीं कर है, और उनो नी उलेग क्या, दक्सिन अफ्रिका में, केविन कातर, एक जानिमाने फोटोग्राफर थे, और माच उनी सुत्तिरानवे में, सुदान में, वापे एक अखाल चल रहे थे, वापे नो साल एक सिविल वोरे गरिया युध चल रहे थे, और लब भग आत लाग लोग भूक मरी में, मरे थे, तो केविन कातर वहा जाके एक तस्वीर की चा, एक गित, और एक छोटा बच्चा, और नुयोक ताईम्स इसको 26 माच 1993 उनी सुत्तिरानवे में, ये चबा उसको बुरस्कार मिला, और लोग कहा की सुदान में जो आखाल चल रहे, इस विषे कि उपर पूरा विष्वा कद्रिष्टी आप ते आकर्षन किया, मगर बगत लोग केविन कातर को आलोच, उनका जो भी तस्वीर खीछ ने, जिस तरा से उनो ने खीचा, उसका आलोच ना किया, तिप में किया, कियों कि वो बीस मिने ते तिजार किया, और फिर बीस मिद के बात तस्वीर खीछने के बात, वो गित को, वो वलट्चर को वहा से अगता दिया. तो हमारे मानुनिया सूलिस्टर, उसस्टरल्ट्टाइस में सूलिस्टरीम कोट में सब सी उचचन आले में कहा, इसे कुछ फोटोगराफर है, जो खुड वलट्चर से, कुड गित है, इस विश्टम आपनी क्यरवैं में आपका एक लेक छबा. में को बोथ सारे सवाल है आप से, तुशार महता जी जिस तरा से तुलन्ना क्या ये करना च्ये ता? करना च्या ये ता है या नहीं इस पे तो ये सवाल तो मिस्तर तुशार महता इस का जबाब दे सकते हैं मैं जो जबाब दूंगी that is from the point of view of a journalist अम लोगों का एक काम हुता है और बहुत ही हार profession के code of conduct होता है, ethics होते हैं एक काम कर में का तरीका होता हैं और पत्र कारों का भी एक आप से कुछ रॉल्स होते हैं, जो फोलो किए जाते हैं अब good faith में अगर ये बात करी जाया दर फीस खालिव पे निसक महता के comments लेई तो बहुत ही a very charitable way to understand it is that it doesn't know how journalism works ये तो एसा ताईं चल रहा है, पिछले चार महीने से की Indian journalists, जैसा की आपने बोला मैं 18 साल से अस्पतालों और epidemicsमेख सो अप चीजों के बारे में लिख रही हूँ, पर मैंने भी एसा कभी ताईम नहीं देखा है की, हर परफ अस्पतालो में लोग मर रहे हैं, और जो उन लोगों की कहानिया सुना रहे है, the fact is, की सुप्रिंकोर्ट ने एवेंच्छोली लगभक साथ दिन बार, सो मोड़ो कोगने सुन्स लिया है इस बात का की, मैंगरेंट अपने गर पूछते मुषते मर जा रहे हैं, उनके वाग खाने को नहीं वों के पीने को नहीं हैं, त्रींश में पाईनी नहीं हैं, ये सारी वी फिशुज अज जिन पे बात होँग वो पता ही इसवेज़े एशे है, कोई कोई उप्प्प्वोटर वाग दया और अस्वेश बात की, अब ये शुब the messengers बाला जो इशु है, इसको जरनलिज़ में कापी स्तडी किया गया है, केविं काटर इन पर्टिकिला एक मिसाल बन गया है, केविं काटर इस बात की, बट यीज़़ भी वोज अब रिलिएंट फोटर जरनलिज़, जो अपनी जान जो खिम में डाल के एसी एसी जगर जाते जाते जाहन लोग नहीं जासके, पर बात ये है कि, when you go and report on disturbing stories, you come back with images, या आप या कहानिया लेके आते है, या आप विज्यूल्स लेके आते है, जो लोग गर पे बेटे हुए हैं, जो इंदिन रिज, मिडल ख्लास, जिसकी भी बार भार ये बात हो रही है कि the fact, कि हमारे अ इतना मौरल आपती है, is because our upper caste, upper class people are greedy and not ready to help. Now, when they are presented with an emotionally disturbing image, instead of questioning the systems that led to this injustice, they choose a simpler morally and emotionally to just blame the report up, जो ये बूरी खवर लेकर आया है, अब आप मैसेंजर को शुप कर देंगे तो आपको पता नहीं चलेगा क्या हो रहा है, पर जो हो रहा है, वो होना बआत नहीं होगा. और रिपोटरोगो किसी भी हालग में ब्लेम कर के, योगी तुषार महता जी नहीं एक दुषार महता जी प्रद्वाद्खो यसी सुप्रिंकोट में बोला था, ये एक भी मैगरेंद सबड़क पे नहीं है, और आज जो... मैं आपको रोक रहा हूं, आप दे पिलको तीक कहा है, ये तुषार महता जी, हमारे ग्रेह मन्त्रा लैकर सच्छिप आजेब लाजी नहीं कहा, और अंग्रेजी में उनो ले लिखा, there is no person walking in the roads in an attempt to reach his stroke of hometown villages. तो सच्छ्छ मुझ, ये तो एक तरा से जुट ता, जुट ता, कुकि उसके बाद भी बोछ़ सारे लोग शहर चोर के पलाएन किया, राजमार में सरको में हमारे प्रवासी मज्डूत, बोछ़ सारे हमने लिए रिएपोट किया, हम ताईन्ज अव एंदिया पर रहते है, वहा दननजे, महापात्रा से तुषार मेहता जी एक साक्कात्रिज में, एक तरा से वो पीछे चलेगे, तो कदम वो पीछे चलेगे, ही वैक्ट्ट्रैक, वो बोला ने ने बत्रकार को वलचेज्द के साथ या गिद के साथ तुल्डणे कते, मेरा जो दुख है श्पीछ वोर्रिएड जो गेर सरकारी संथाए है, आन जीोज है, और सरे ये नेगडिविटी, नेगडिविटी, वो सरकार जो भी कर रहे, ये है तुशार मेटजिक बाड, हम वोबच शिले आते है, के विन का आतर के काने, आपने सुजन सोंटैक, वो जाने माने लेखव है, वो विट चिट्र बनाते है, उनका उनो ने ये जो एखिकल डिलमार, तो ये नीतिगत एक सो समस्से आए जो हर पत्रकार के सामने आते है, आपके सामने आपकुछ देक रहे, जो अटिंते आपको आपका मन की आंदर, और आपके सामने जो देक रहे, आपकंता आपका मान्सिक उतेजना बर गया, तो आपका काम क्या है? Is your job to intervene or is your job to record? आप क्या पहले, रहस्त उस्त श्ट श्विएप करेंगी? या आप अपने आभी लेक या आबी लेक टिंग आप करेंगी? विल्ँ। रेकोट ने वें फीस अप विल्ँ। अब ये अप ये आप एक साथ साथ, तो तो दुनु ने करता है ये. अप विल्ँ। ने करता है ने खुद बूती एक तरा से वो दिप्रेस था, वो सबस्टन्स अब यूस कर रहे थे, वो नशीली वस्तू ले रहे थे, अपने बच्छो के लिए पैसा उपको रोसगार ने मिल रहे थे, अपने विल्ँ। ने दिस्टर्ब्ड मैन, ने विल्ँ। श इब यूस कर रहे थे, वो नशीली वस्तू ले रहे थे, अपने बच्छो के लिये पैसा उपको रोसगार ने मिल रहे थे, अपने विल्ँ। ने यहे दिस्टर्ब्ढड मैन और जब आत्मा अप्ता थे क्या, तो यी विशे के अपर भी बूशार मैंटाः तो लेए प्किया. मगर आप इस तरा से तुल्ना करना आजकी समाने लिए, तो कोविट का जो एक एक तरा से जो एक पैन्देमिग, एक हम देक रहे, पूरा दिश में ये महामारी रहे लिए, तो इस तरा से जो भी बत्रकार अपना काम कर रहे, जो भी पोटोगरपर अपना काम कर रहे, इस तरा से आलोचना कर रहा, उचिट्ता. अगे ए उचिट्ता यह नहीं। इसका ये सवाल भी ये तुशार मैंटाः जी से करना चाहते हैं। जहाँ तक उनका मेरे प्रोटेशन के बारे में जो अपन्यन है, मैं, I will, I can only say that reporters अपनी जान, जो खिम में डाल के देपोटिं कर रहे हैं आज की तारीक में, चहे साल से ये सरकार जब से पावा में आईए है,ईोने नाको एक ज़नलिस्ड को अपना स सफ़ान है, दिस में स्क्रिष्टट ना हो, इंके ज़नलिस्ध हैं, जो रव भीग ज़नलिस्च है निम शुर्प्रींखोट से भी सबवोट्ध में यागे, उनको BJP की च्ट्रोल आर्मी से ली सपर्ट मिलता है जो जनलिस आजकी तारीक में सद्वपे हार अपने जुटे उताए के श्रमिको को देरे हैं जुगर जारें उनको गई सपर्ट मिल रहा है, वो अपने पैसोशे और अपनी जान का रिसक लेके ये वीजेपी यह कोंगरस के अगेंस्ट रेपोटर नहीं है, आमारा काम सिंपली ये है कि जो पाबलेस हैं जिंकी कोई आवाज नहीं है, उनकी आवाज उनके अद दिस क्रिटिकल पोईंट ते लिस्ट्री, उनके साथ क्या भीत रही है, इसको रेकोट करना जरूरी कि मुदी जी के साथ जो हो रहा हो उसके तो बहुत सारे लेकोड़ज है, मनकी बाद पे वी उनका लेकोड़ है, अख्वारो में वी उनकी चिट्ट्या आ आ रही है, रहा हबते वो TV पे आगे अपनी तरफ के बयान तो देते गी रहेते हैं, तुइटर पे भी और हर जगेगे पे भी अप जो मैंगरेंट है, उसकी तरफ के बयान कों सुन रहा है, और अगर कोई जरनलिज जागे उनकी तरफ की कहानी सुन रहा है, और आप उनी को अप अटक करेंगे, तो इसके लिए एक, it reminds me of what James Baldwin said about the right to criticize your country. And I feel the same way India is my home and I love my country. And for that very reason I have the right to criticize her endlessly because I want her to improve. How else? I have one more point to make about this. Constantly coming back to how Kevin Carter had mental health issues and Kevin Carter killed himself. Kevin Carter was not a stable man and was in the flaws of Kevin Carter. Firstly, the way Kevin Carter is talking, it is not sensitive from a mental health point of view. In the report I wrote there are very specific reasons that I did not write about exactly how he committed suicide because there are copycat suicides, there are ways to talk about mental health issues and I am really shocked that in the highest land in the court our solicitor general pulled up a suicide that he did not know about and very wrongly attributed it to the journalism that he is doing and there are levels of insensitivity in this which needs to be called out from a public health point of view also but from also a very responsible situation when you are holding a very powerful public office and you are using that to shame journalists. He is the second most important law officer of the country. And today he seems to think that we should not say how we said it that is why he is the leader of Times of India Mahapatra and said that he did not do anything wrong to the journalists with the vultures and the GIT but I want to say one thing, in the media what is the reaction of what Mr. Tushar Mehta said on it he said that he was writing word by word in a whatsapp for word in front of the court, in front of the highest level Badri Raina was writing in the wire he said that solicitor general Tushar Mehta should be in politics, not in court he should be in politics, not in our court the editorial of Indian Express said that the way the solicitor general was talking he was threatening, he was threatening is he suggesting that criticism by activists, journalists, opposition and court is unwelcome that means he was asking questions that whatever the government should not think about you will not like all this people like you have made the country a drohi Mr. Ruben Banerjee said that the vultures the real GIT in our country their number is decreasing day by day they are becoming instinct and he said that if we talk to the solicitor general like this then I am happy to be vulture in chief and the association is an association of photographers all India working news camera men's association he also said that we should not talk like this my question is that you people are saying that you are a drohi because what you reported some people did not like so you said that you are not a patriot so what happened today in this situation as we are looking at the picture which Kevin Carter had also given we are looking at a dead dog a dead dog dog is dead and he is so hungry we are looking at a child whose mother is dead in the railway station she is so small she does not even know her mother is dead then she is removing her cover we are looking at the day on our tv screen on our whatsapp video so what is the meaning of the letter on this topic you should talk more see I also see the role of the journalist in their education a lot of this reporting their moral compass their personal ideology what is it are you kind are you empathetic when you see someone who is dying what do you do what is the visual personality as a journalist if you are considered a journalist if you are sent to the field bring the correct information and close the context as close to the facts that you can be the underdog whose voice you are trying to reach to the government no matter what their story is what I consider my job is I cover social sector I don't cover stock market and there are different laws of the health sector India has signed a global treaty which has certain things we have agreed to constitutionally in India every Indian citizen has a right to health the laws that India guarantees according to that and my understanding I do the best of my reporting this cannot be said to anyone whether you help or not it depends on the context the position you are in and if you are in a situation to help my personal stand is I finish my reporting after I file my report I can help but that is not a story I don't write about it because it is not related to my reporting so there is no need for journalism every person should help he is a lawyer he is a doctor if you can do more than what you do right now that is what our society needs but that is my job my job simply is to go and be a witness to what is happening recorded to the truest sense and that is what is more important today but I do have another point about this degrees of people call me a traitor people call me anti-national I am an Indian citizen and nobody including the current government in power can certify my Indianness to me I am an Indian and the way I was brought up the idea of India that I was brought up with is that it is a secular nation India is nothing if it is not plural and the poor they are in any country wherever if I have 4 bread and if someone needs one and a child is starving it is common decency that you do what you want if you are a journalist if you are a journalist if you are a journalist if you are going out to help the refugees or the patients those who they can't afford testing kits they are not able to treat in private hospitals because they can't afford the bills if you feel bad about them and you expect from the journalists to help them then why don't you expect from the government the same question you are asking the journalists the party in power and the one who has this work why is it not being done by them I don't understand this conversation whatever bad news it becomes anti-national do you treat your doctor if you go to the doctor and he says you have a diagnosis of cancer do you kill him or do you kill the cancer Vidya my last question as we started you said for 18 years you have kept this area you have reported on health for Hindus different websites publications you have told me don't tell me where I am in India why behind you people have threatened you you have faced threats by taking your picture you are saying that you are ready to help the Muslims you have put this also that you are getting money from China why because you have written that Indian government PPE personal protection equipment this is not true you have not thought how our central government is not giving a thought to the media and you have also written that Modi government has spread an unscientific thought in people you are saying that in homeopathy everything will be fine so today there is a law this is an old law this is the law of British time epidemic diseases act 1897 and our disaster management act which is the law of the universe what do you think this law is being used like you to be surprised on you the right wing groups are harassing you on this you say this is my last question to you you can wrap up your comments so there is a aspect of I would say a bunch of issues with Indian society in my understanding death threats because we do not have a scientific temperament in 2020 under this leadership secondly this is a very patriarchal society which does not like opinionated women they do not they question the expertise especially if it is a gender minority and all of these are coming together and death threats and rape threats they reflect poorly on the people who are sending it and on the government that is doing it because on the one hand you say save your daughter, teach your daughter and if she goes to school you want to rape her and kill her and I have editorial support from the magazines that I write about and the truth is if people read medical history they will realize that across pandemics, across history and across nations pandemics have been used to curtail on civil liberties and that is exactly what is happening in India right now and this is the country we live in you don't get to choose the time you are born in but then I have to continue reporting and I will do what I have always been doing which is to be loyal to the patients they are the ones who need support right now because they are sick there is no money for testing and that is a crisis the migrant crisis is a crisis on top of that the politics is another layer above it but we are getting further and further away from what is happening in India's hospitals and from everything that I know I assure you Indians hospitals are a vision of L right now and that is falling further and further away from the newspapers because everyone is politicizing science is not right or left wing science is science left wing or right wing there is no science on top of you there is a lot of pain there is a lot of pressure on you because you wrote when the government was saying that the personal protection equipment should not be there so you have reported the truth and you the messenger is being shot at this is not new ever since the government came in power they have kept a relationship with the media which every time there is a crisis the relationship is getting worse and in 6 years there is a big crisis and when they don't have to blame anyone else they blame journalists who are facing new problems they are telling us that this is a serious issue about being a science reporter and facing this kind of a backlash the truth is I grew up in a country which had scientific temperament my idea of India is very different which is plural where people help each other and it's not a divisive nation and I am doing my job I don't do my activity whatever I write there is attribution people are on the record there is sourcing and there is double sourcing sometimes there is data to back up there is a single story there is no understanding of the story there is a lot of fake news there is a lot of fake news I make mistakes but if there is a mistake in my report that doesn't mean that I got money from China that's why I made that mistake mistakes are the most important but I said in March that I didn't do PPE stockpile in March and now we are in June and do you know what is the truth what is the truth it is seen in hospitals so genuine mistake these are all different categories it is very easy to blame the journalist but there won't be any solution many people are dying maybe the journalists will die but the situation will not change in the end we will have to solve these problems because today this is happening in the world this is not bjp this is happening in the world the fact is every government is transparently dealing with this Boris Johnson Donald Trump does daily media briefing and our Prime Minister never does I am a patriot and I will not have any no one gets to certify whether I am a patriot this is not even a conversation for me thank you you have given the time for the news click keep reporting more strength to you thank you thank you sir keep watching the news click