 I remember kind of realizing one time at a festival, I was listening to one DJ, it was like kind of like the third or the fourth kind of set. And I was like, wait, there's a pattern here. It's build up, build up, build up, drop the beat, doof, doof, doof, everyone's bouncing, they run out of energy and it's the same thing again. Yeah. And I'm like, and then I just, I just stopped and I just watched people. I'm like, what the fuck? It's hard being a festival, DJ. Do you know why? Is everyone's on pingas? Well, that is one. But it is hard being a festival, DJ, because these festival DJs, when you get to a festival, a lot of these DJs, number one thing is they're trying to impress. And the thing, they're trying to make sure they trend as well. And they're connected to the crowd. It's very hard, even though there is millions of songs out there, it's very hard being a festival DJ and keeping that energy at a high level without repeating. And something that last DJ that was just on. Welcome to the Sevo show. We are here once more like we are every time. Shout outs to Hunt and Brew. You see the drink, Hunt and Brew. There it is, the, the Hunt and Brew. It's, it's good. Thanks. Another shout out to my boy, Edward Maradona for the, the T-shirt plug. One of my favorite T-shirts. This thing is like fire. So shout outs to Eddie. Right. Now that's done. We're back to the, to the, the guest. We've got DJ Prophets. The DJ Prophets. I don't actually know his full name. I looked it up, but I couldn't find it. So we're just going to call him DJ Prophets. It's a mystery to everyone. That's right. That's right. I love it. Prophets comes from, are you making profits? Are you a profit? Like you're for seeing some shit or both? So when I was young, it was a case of that like, when I was young, it was just a case of I always just love like making money. And making profit out of things. I used to like really indulging to like finding something that's like quite old or, you know, like, you know, when you're a kid and you just want to make money for like, I don't know, like trainers and clothes and stuff like that. I'm still there. So like, you know, I'm still there. I would like, you know, buy a little chocolate bars and like sell them off at a profit and stuff like that. So like everyone used to. What was your first hustle? My first, first hustle. It would be in school, yeah, Chuck shop, just like selling like sandwiches, anything that like, if my mom made me something and I didn't want it, I'd like sell that, you know, just put it on the market. Yeah. Like Christmas gifts that like, you know, you'll be like, yeah, I love it. And then you actually don't love it. So you then you just love it because, you know, it has value. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Stuff stuff like that. So that would probably be my first hustle. I'm really good at like selling stuff. So yeah, what's what was most profits? Oh, what was the most profit you made at school for one item? You know, school for one item, it's going to sound ridiculous because obviously we deal in pounds, right? So yeah, probably the most profit I've made off like a sandwich, probably roughly around about what five, five pounds. What was in that? Well, I bought it for five. At school. I sold it for 10. So yeah, I mean, at school, it was someone that was desperate. Okay. Yeah. Supply and demand. Supply and demand. Yeah. Yeah. And obviously I knew that and I'm a kid. So I don't know, like, you know, I'm just like, whatever. What do you think it comes from? This, my dad is like, my dad was sorry. He's a really, he's a hustler, man. He works so, so hard. So like just growing up and like watching him the way that he would just hustle on like everything. I think it just is, hence why it's turned me into like a kind of like entrepreneur, I would say. Because like there's, he would always say there's nothing that you can't do. And it's just like, there's nothing you can't make money from. Yeah. I think that like you can't indulge in or learn from. So like just watching that and like getting that from him. I think that's probably. So sandwich game was strong, but then you moved on to something else. So I also played when I was young. I also played a professional cricket as well. Yeah. So that was something that like again, like always hustling, always, you know, like training, making sure I'm working hard. I've done a range of things. Also, I worked at JD Sports, I worked at Sainsbury's. You guys would have like Woolworths and stuff like that, right? So it would be equivalent equivalent of that. Yeah. Nice. And yeah, I don't think there's anything I haven't done really. Yeah, I feel I feel that I feel that like my game, my hustle game at school was the zombie choose and if you've seen that, if you've heard that story. Yeah, I have actually. Yeah, it's interesting that you say that because I'm like looking at you now. I'll be good quite then. Yeah, and my mum, my mum's we're Soviets, we're Russians. OK, all we do over there, if you if you don't hustle, you die. You go into the military and you die. So I went, I went and did that hustle. And then I remember actually how I came up with that idea was my little sister was at daycare and they had all these boxes of Cadbury chocolates to sell. And they said to me, it's like, can you take this to school and sell it? I was like, yeah, it sounds like fun. Yeah, like, you know, make money, you know. And then I'd sell out so quickly. I'm like, what the fuck? So I go, I go back there. I'm like, here you go. And they're like, wow, that was quick. Can you do more? I was like, yeah, sick, started doing it, doing it, doing it. And I'm like, this is this is easy. And I'm I'm loving it. And then I'm like, why the fuck am I not making any money from this? That's the thing. Hey, once you find something that like, yeah, it just ticks that box for you and you start to enjoy it. There's like if there's endless possibility of where it will take you. Yeah, you know, and I think that's what's yeah. And then I remember being human, I would say. That's exactly. And then they amplified when I was I play video games, online video games, like browser based games. This is a game called Habbo Hotel. Never heard of it. Never. Most people never heard of it. It's kind of like at the same time as RuneScape was around. OK. So Habbo Hotel is like it's like this chat room. Yeah. And you make your own hotel room and then you could buy furniture. And that furniture is, you know, you buy credits, you send a text message, text message costs three dollars and they send you a code and the code is like for 12 credits. And hustle, hustle. So those credits I get furniture for. And then I make eventually I made a furniture shop. OK, online and I get people to come in and trade for it. And I would spend hours trading virtual furniture. Yeah, yeah, I was 12, 13 years old. And by the time I was 15, I was still playing. And I was embarrassed because I felt like a little kid's game. No, but the thing is, it set you up for like, bro, like real life is. Because at the end of the day, like if you're ahead of the game that early at that age and then you're going to become an adult, you're going to be like set up exactly what is real life. That's exactly what I say. And then what happened was someone because I was about to finish. I wanted to quit the game, but I had all of all this valuable rare furniture and someone said, hey, can I have your account? I'll pay you. And I'm like, how much? And they're like, what? Name a price. I've got my dad's credit card. And I'm like, what the fuck? Oh, my Lord, I was 15. So I'm like, I don't really care. I don't have morals. Yeah, you would. So I'm like, OK, OK, OK. And then because because I play the game for so long, I knew the values and I knew the kind of monetary values because there was a whole exchange. There was websites dedicated to values of the rare furniture. And I knew the ins and outs of all of that. So you can see how that translates into the real world. So sure. And then what I did was I was like, all right, if it's worth one green couch, the green couch was like one kind of unit of measurement in the game. Yeah, it's kind of like the one US dollar. One green couch was worth like, I don't know, like three to five bucks or something. And I had items that were worth thousands of dollars. And I was like, OK, for this one item, it's normally worth a thousand, but I'm going to go with eight hundred. How does that sound? And she goes, yep, no worries, bang, PayPal done. And I'm like, holy fuck, I went straight to eBay, started spending shit. My PayPal account started off because I think there was like age restriction. They were probably like, what is going on? My mom is just like my mom that would get all this mail coming to the door. And my mom was like, what the fuck? Who the fuck? How are you affording this shit? You work at Hungry Jacks, bro. And I'm just like, let me tell you, you know that game you tell me to get off all the time on that I'm spending at 1 a.m. I'm making bank now. That makes your family, your parents feel like, hold on a minute, I've been against it this whole time. Oh, man, she's been supporting me. So I end up pulling out at about four and a half grand. Jesus. Yeah. And what age is this? 15 at 15. Yeah. Yeah. Four and a half grand. Exactly. So eBay, eBay was like prime time. And eBay was I've started picking up guitar. I bought a guitar, amps, Xbox 360, all the games, guitar hero. And a lot of it was from junk food. So I'd buy, I'd get Doritos and fucking ice cream and stuff and cans of coke. And I was living it up. I was like, yeah. So question. If you was to have that money back, like knowing what that money's worth now, what would you have bought with that crypt? Now, I would have gone with I would I would go straight into index funds, index funds. The only thing I would have put it in. And obviously, if I knew back then Apple stocks, I would have put it in that. It's crazy how a time machine would be so. Oh, God. Yeah. Yeah. You know, exactly. All the time. But that's what I tell kids now, like I see 15 year olds hustling and they're making money. The first thing I ask them is, what are you spending that money on? What are you spending it on? And they're spending it on shoes and clothes and shit. I guarantee it. And I'm just like, don't do that. They won't do that. They won't listen to you because it's like we wouldn't listen that day. No. So it's like, I know, like a lot of adults out there are like, oh, if I just listened and you try to inspire, there's just some. But I didn't have that. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because it's what you want. Like it's a human thing again. Like if your brain is telling you exactly what you want and someone's trying to advise you on something different, but you want that, you're going to go off. If I did that back then and I kept that momentum, I'd be on house money by now. Just escape the rat race. Yeah. I mean, I couldn't tell. Within 15, like from 15 years old, you can retire by 30. Yeah. If you if you put in a thousand bucks a month into investing, a thousand bucks for 15 years by the time you're 30, you are living on dividends. It's very few people out there in that world that will think like that. Yeah. You always wish you did. I always wish I did. Yeah. And but it won't hit you to get to that age or you're having a conversation that is just like this. Absolutely. You realise that like that's what it's like. Absolutely. So yeah. So going back to yourself, what inspires you now? You've got the hustle. Why are you hustling DJ life? It's weird because at first it was like the reason why I picked up DJing at first is because I actually didn't know what I wanted to do in life. So I was just trying like so many different things that I wanted to do. And then my dad passed away as well. And I was doing like before then I was actually a dancer. How old were you when he passed away? So I was 20, 10 years now. So I was 23. Well, yeah. So and then I was just trying to find things that I wanted to do. And then I decided I wanted to give up dancing and find something with some value because I was actually having a child at that time as well. That wasn't born yet. So I was like, oh, man, I've got to find something that's going to help me support and do X, Y and Z. So then I just I just thought to myself, what's like dancing? Music, let me try DJing. My one of my friends was friends with the guy that actually taught me how to DJ, which is Rob Percy, like massive DJ in London. Knows absolutely everyone when it comes to like Andy Purnell, who is Central C's DJ now, Martin Too Smooth, his EVE's DJ. And I'm like friends of Rob and he runs this event called Hip Hop Karaoke. So like it's like when you're a kid, I started trying something and I was just like, I actually love this. Like it's like dancing and I can do music. I can play what I want as well as like people appreciating what I'm playing. So yeah, that's literally what I was doing. And then I just hustled my ass off. Yeah, hustled my ass off for so many hours, man. Ten days, ten years later. Yeah, still in love. Ten years later, still in love, still experiencing new things, experiencing things that I would never think I would be able to do, you know, because where I'm from, like I know a lot of people say it, but in London, where I'm from, which is South East London, there's not a lot of people that like make it out and get to experience exactly what I've experienced. So I'm like forever grateful, man. Yeah, so you moved here because you were backed with what you've achieved. I moved here because my second child, my son, his mum is from here and we decided she just wasn't happy in London. So where she wasn't happy in London and this was such a great place to like, you know, raise a family, raise a family. It was just a decision that we made together that he was going to come here and like, you know, make a go of it. Yeah. Amazing. Amazing. So tell me about your creative process now that you've established you've you've you've grinded it. Yeah. You've got some experience. You've got some stories that we'll uncover soon. Tell me your creative process for what it takes to become a DJ. I think so, look, for other DJs out there, it won't be the same because everyone's got their own little path. For me, it was a case of like I literally when it became that time when I was like, I want to take this serious sort of thing. I literally just made a list of what I was going to do. So first was making sure that I get all the hours of practice that I can. So with Rob, it was a case of it wasn't every gig that I played that was paid. It was a case that I would go. I would learn how to set up the equipment. I would play maybe I would arrive at like six. I might end of the night. I would leave at like, I don't know, two, three in the morning. And it because I would play, I might even play only for 20 minutes. But if it meant for 20 minutes that I'd got to play with this set of equipment and learn for 20 minutes, I would do that. The only bad thing would I would have to stay and pack up the equipment afterwards. But it teaches you how to get in and out of things. If something's going wrong with equipment, you know exactly what you're doing. So I think learning your equipment, very important, taking your hours in and knowing how you want to be as a DJ and what you want to play as a DJ is very important. And also, like I would say one of my other things on the list was watching how Rob would get reactions from crowds and how because he's going to have a total different sort of technique and a different playing style to me. But at the same time, there's no DJ that you can't learn off. So like for me, that was like one of the things on my list that I was like, I have to have to learn that. The other things was research and music, finding something that works for me, maybe finding like a few sites that work for me that have like the criteria of sort of songs that I'm looking for. And maybe the sort of like criteria that the event is looking for, you know, making sure that I have a bucket list of websites that I can go to that is out there. Also, a lot of people don't do this. There is actually a notification on Spotify and there's a notification on like Apple Music or any streaming platform where they will let you know when new music does come out the minute it hits, the minute it's uploaded. Tick that box. I knew that. I even knew that. So many DJs don't know that and they wait for other DJs to be playing that music and see how it's playing. You'd be at the forefront. I didn't know that song came out. What are you talking about? Like, it's there for you to take. Like that was that's definitely on my list of creating process. And also, like even up to now, I practice, I practice, I make sure maybe I don't know, like in a week, I try and make make sure that at least I'm getting like six hours in of like really going hard and like, you know, imagining or trying to pretend that I'm in a club situation and playing different songs and different genres. You produce your own stuff. Yes, I do. I've been doing it for the past three years. For the last two, I've been taking it serious. Yeah. And that creative process there, that's what I'm more interested about. Because one day I've got a little MIDI kind of little keyboard thing with a few buttons, 250 bucks from the DJ store and the app that comes with it, a able turn or something. Yeah, I started learning it. Harrison Flashcult and his boy, Gnar. Yeah. They are called cool kids. They're like residents at the Paramount. Yeah. And they ran me through it. And I was like, all right, I want to learn how to mix the pony and Britney Spears Toxic. Yeah, because that's like a classic one that I always hear. And then we did it. I was like, fuck, yeah, that's sick, extracted it from YouTube, extracted it from YouTube, made it. I was like, that's sick. And the way that they taught me was cool. But man, it was like spawning in on a new Call of Duty map for the first time you're like, where the fuck is everything? What do I do? So one day I want to get into this as well. Because that's that's like I am musically creative as well. I know that. I've been playing guitar for over 15 years before. Yeah, I know. But maybe this is it. Maybe this is my inspo to maybe like Tinker with it. Yeah. Tell me two years in, two, three years in. Yeah. Where do you start? For me, YouTube is ahead of a tour. No, no, no, not how to do it. But like the like, OK, do you do like a beat? Do you do like a melody? Basically, for me, what's the way I start, I start melody wise. Melody for me is like really important for a song. And like the melody on the song really sets the tone of like how someone's going to be feeling. And becomes recognizable. And it becomes recognizable. Yeah, I saw a breakdown on TikTok recently about a Taylor Swift song and they said there's this song at the end of the album. It doesn't really have a distinctive melody. So when the first kind of five, ten notes come on, nobody kind of recognizes that that's her song. But then her classics, you instantly within half a second know it's her song. And that's like, that's where I'm like, OK, I'm banking that in for later. When I create a melody, the first three notes have to be like, that's fucking Sev's banger. Yeah. So how do you come up with something that like that? It's it's about having a signature and it's about having something that is like. So for me, when I'm making the song nowadays, when I'm making the song, a lot of people are really, really focused on like, how do I make it like so popular and how does like, how do I get all these audiences in? But you really have to start with like what attracts you because there's so many different people out there that are actually like you that like if you start off with, again, a melody or a song that you love, what's on the artist that you love? Oh, my Kendrick, Kendrick, I think you're talking about more about DJs. But when when I'm thinking about a song, I'm a winner. Oh, my God, Mad City. So when you think about that, like just that melody itself. You know, I mean, so like think about what you like and then maybe take it, swap it up a bit, chop it up, use certain sounds within that melody that are going to like the samples that are going to help you create something. And then it's just about adding on to that. What's a drum pattern that you really love? What's a drum pattern that you would do at school or something that's, you know, like you can find so many different patterns. And then maybe you might have a Kendrick song and then I don't know, for instance, I'm not saying you're going to do it. You might have a Kendrick song that you find the melody to that. And then maybe the beat from this Katy Perry song that you really, really love and then like put them together and people like, Holy shit. Did I love those videos? Like I'm like, I know that because there's a there's a sample app you can get called Splash or something. Splash, yeah, Splash is out there. Yeah, on Black Friday, I was just on it because I was getting some tracks for my TikTok videos because I make I do a little bit of music production every now and then. That's good for the back of my TikTok video. Yeah, sometimes I just want it original, especially for my sponsored stuff because they want they don't want commercial music. Anyway, on Black Friday, I was on I was on it. And then they were like, hey, just on Black Friday, we're giving away these 25 sample packs. And each sample pack had like thousands of samples. And one of them was Travis Barker's drum sample. And I'm like, download that shit. And I was like listening to all of them. And I was like, I know how that I know, I know how I'd use that track. I know how to use that track. Yeah. And then it's just finding a melody. And I was like, OK, I've spent an hour. Now, I'm not a music producer yet. This is a new journey that I know I'm going to get obsessed with. Yeah, I need a pause because I need to do other shit. Well, that's what I'm saying, because it's because you found the common the common thing within that. You know, I mean, you found something that you love. So starting with something that you love or a song that you love is like one of the best things you can do because one, you're going to know that song inside out. Dude, I the way that I hear music and especially talking with someone like yourself and some past musicians I've talked to, it's just like I can hear the bass. I'm like Rose Glass is on. I can hear the drum. I can hear the snare. I can hear the 808s and all that shit. And it's like the algorithm on TikTok has pushed me out to like here's how Daft Punk sampled this track. And you're like, you know, how they the little colored sample tracks and they do it and they they stretch it out, they reverse it. And I'm like, how does someone find where that sample came from? If Daft Punk didn't do it, even Kendrick as well, even Kanye, even. I'm like, what we're all like. So nowadays sampling is like one of the most popular ways to produce music, you know? Hence why I don't know if you know. So there's a program, there's a DJ program that I use called Sorato. Sorato, dude, that new feature is absolutely everywhere. They've got a stem feature, right? The stem stem feature, believe it or not, is how a lot of producers have been producing music for years. That feature only came out recently. Exactly. But but the program wasn't so there wasn't a DJ program or any sort of program or the world, but they were like mediocre compared to what that is, you know? So, yeah, like I was saying, that program is literally you think about that and then you think about putting it into Ableton or something like that's been going on for years. But how do they do it before this program came out? So what you could do is what you could do is technically you would get this song, even if you're using Ableton, you would take a song and basically it's about learning the patterns within that song, going into you see how you got like your grids and stuff like that. And it's just about turning certain sounds down, turning vocals up and finding it so how you get the actual and now the AI does it for you or does it for you. Bro, when I first saw it, I was at a wedding, it was photographing and my guy Eden from Envy shoutouts, he was playing with it. I was like, bro, have you seen it? He's like, yeah, man, I've been playing with it nonstop. But because it was like it was literally the same week it came out. Yeah, it kept crashing. That's because it was the beta version. So actually I got a secret. So so my Serato, I've never I've been lucky enough to meet a guy called Blakey in London shout out to you. And he is actually the head of Serato. So whenever I go to London, I always make sure I go to visit him to make sure I'm getting all the updates and everything else like that. Get the USB in. Like, give me updates thoughts. Yeah, so actually I managed to play with it before the even beta version came out of the video. So like seeing that was like, yo, this is about to change. You have to like sign an NDA or some shit. So I couldn't so on my Instagram, I had a video that I was at Serato or whatever because they were literally playing with it in the background. Even though I wasn't showing it, I could not play the sound. Oh, so I couldn't play the sound. I couldn't have my phone like even near the laptop kind of thing. Yeah, but like it was this thing was that well protected, like crazy. So the month after it was like a month or two, I got back to Perth. And I'm like, when are they releasing this thing? Because I just want to play like play with it. And then they put it out and I was like, thank God, man. I've been keeping this a secret for ages. Yeah, he like God, because all the top top DJs out there in the world were like started to like, you know, it's a game changer. Yeah, yeah, massive game changer. So how does it work when you become a DJ and you start playing all these commercial songs? Yeah. And you want to bring in a new song that just came out and you want to drop it in your set that night. What's what are the legalities about doing that? The secrets? Like, how do you not get done for, you know? How did what? How do you not get done by licensing and stuff? Talk about licensing. Licensing is a very, very hard game. The main thing that you need to do is make sure that you have permission to play that song, whether it is talking to the artist or making sure that you have something in right. And also to back you up because if you don't have so many songs coming out all the time, how do you keep up because. Right. So I'm signed up to a lot of DJ pools. Number one tip that I would say. So you see, if we just met off the street, you're an artist. I'm an artist. Right. I'm going to take your DOS down. Either an email trail. Is great. Social media is great, as you know. Yeah. But like an email trail or some way that you can legally buy that. That is, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you have that. Even if you've got like an email mailing list of stuff that you do. Make sure that the artist gets it because they're going to have your details too. Once you email them, they're going to have your details. If they know that you're a DJ, it doesn't matter what level of DJ that you are, because they know that you're a DJ. You need me as much as I need you. But what about what about already made artists like, let's say Travis Scott drops a track tomorrow and you go, this is perfect in my set tonight. Impossible. So you're not legally allowed to play it legally. If they haven't given you permission for it and you have that and you play that, you're in trouble. So what about all the club DJs in Perth, for example, that go, this track just dropped and they're playing it. So is it legally illegal? No, well, most of them DJs, what you'll find is I'm sorry to play your secret for you guys, because I know. But most of them DJ will be signed up to either like I'm signed up to like Def Jam and all these other labels and stuff like that. That like, you know, I'm signed up to an email list for like Pacific music that is coming out. So you might get put on one of them, list by one of the directors or something like that to say, look, this person plays new music is very he's an influencer out there and he can get the word out about the music. Like, hence, like some of the hip hop DJs or producers would do a lot of like strip clubs and stuff. That was the first sort of way, you know, really getting your music out and testing it. Yeah, I mean, so Metro Broom and literally did an interview not long ago talking about how like in the future would like literally like burn music on CDs, literally fresh at the studio and take it to the strip club and test it there. I mean, that was old school. That's old school. But now it's so quick. Now it is so quick because all these record labels are looking to get their music out there. So there's nothing stopping anyone in this world from reaching out to these labels, even if you don't get an apply, you might not. So the hierarchy is like, like, let's say let's let's list like the top three record labels out there. You've got Def Jam, Def Jam. You've got I mean, Sony and Universal. Yeah, yeah, you just name. There you go. Done. Yeah. So you just hit them up saying, hey, I'm a DJ. I'm popular in the clubs. Can I get permission to play all of the songs under your label? And they'll go, yes, no, you're going to need evidence of. Well, yeah, the hypothetical you've got all that hyperfit. If they say yes, then great. You've got that in writing. It's it's stipulated. They'll give you a contract. By all means, they will give you a contract and they will say it will state what you're allowed to do and don't. So the kids out doing the club DJs here. Yeah. Do you reckon they've got all that? Some DJs don't think like that. And what happens when you like, how do you get busted? Like, is there someone that comes out repping the universal music or some shit? No, I mean, it would be very hard to get busted. But I think it's a mutual respect thing. It's like, you wouldn't want anyone. If your music is not ready. You've got it as like, yeah, would you think of this kind of thing? And you're meant to give feedback to these artists. And you've got it and then you end up playing it. But it's not ready. You wouldn't want anything out there that isn't ready. That you're true. Unless it's like, I mean, it's a mutual respect thing. And then also, if they by any chance, you've got it on like social media, you're sharing it, it gets leaked. Because of the power of social media and the power of things nowadays, you're going to get found. And once you get found, you're going to say X, Y, and Z, you know, they're going to know where this leak has come from. Yeah, you're better off trying to protect yourself straight away. Lawyer or not. Do you want to play more of your own produced music over time and less of the commercial music? No, because I love both. I think I think it's great. I think it's great DJs and just anyone out there that is created is creative enough to put something out. I think it's brave, but also like I really, really appreciate the guys that are doing like the commercial music because they are inspiring people like me. You know, I mean, the full front. Yeah, so like, I think it's a respect thing. Again, I respect them and I respect the people that are. Yeah, they've went through it. I mean, when I was 16, I actually wanted to be a DJ. Legit, right? One of my first jobs was at the roller rink in Calguli. Yeah. And they got me on the decks and I had no idea what I was doing. And we didn't have the laptop hooked up or anything. It was I think it was a USB that sometimes was corrupt or CDs and you have to change CDs. And it was just the transition stuff. And it was almost like before the song starts fading out, you transition. So I learned like that's a basic shit. And I also went and did weddings. DJed at weddings. But I wasn't the DJ. I was what you did at the start. I was helping set up the lighting. And because there's a whole lighting thing now, like if you can't just be a DJ, you have to have a lighting. You have to know how to do everything. Yeah, yeah. But I had this guy's name's Alan. Shout out to Alan. You own the music store in Cal. We would go out to all these weddings and I would just watch him do it. And he just bang bang. He goes, watch this is how you get the crowd up bang bang and they'll be vibing and shit. And like majority of the songs back then are still the fucking same now. Yeah. And now I'm like, that's why I'll never be a DJ at a wedding because I'm just sick of hearing Nut Bush every fucking weekend. So I'm going to say things. Exactly. Exactly. It's hard. I mean, so how do you how do you like you get to? Yeah, how do you keep it fresh and how do you go? Oh, fuck, not this song, but they will love it. How do you go? All right, I'll do it for you. So there's a technique that there's a technique that I do. OK, so and it's a technique if I want to introduce new music. I think I've told you this actually for a mile. So with new music, it's it's great for the audience member to hear something that they are very, very that is very recognisable to them. Like, let's just say, I don't know, I'm going to go real old school here. Let's go Missy Elliott, work it right. We all know that if you've got a new song, maybe just use the beat of that. Maybe the intro of usually that eight of each song is got like a little intro with the beat and something that's recognisable. Maybe use that and then put the newer track underneath it. What does it do? It keeps everyone going within that BPM and time because everyone knows that song. You're putting something that's new underneath it with that same beat and then bringing in the new song. You don't have to play the new song for long. Maybe you play the new song for what's what's quite a long time nowadays. So 20, 20, 30 seconds is quite long. The song nowadays, right? So I know, believe it or not, but it is, you know, 20 or 30 seconds is pretty long. So maybe play the new song for 20, 30 seconds with its original beat and everything else and then bring it in again with something that is quite popular that people know. Yeah, but if they're pumping, just keep it going for a bit longer. If it's working, keep it going for a bit longer. Yeah, that's it. It makes people go, oh, what was that? Yeah. And also the momentum of what's happening. It doesn't change because they're still on that same sort of thing. They hear something new, they're still on that sort of thing. And then they hear something, maybe that is a little bit older that they do know to keep them going again. Yeah. So you have a gatekeeping free card, free pass right now. Yes. Whatever you're saying is not gatekeeping. Three pet peeves that you see club DJs do in the modern era. Three pet peeves that I hate people do. Yeah. So do you want to talk more? I hate scratching too much. Yeah. All right, like there's a time and a place for it, man. And also like there's always timing. I when someone's absolutely going at it on every song, I can't. I can't do that. Yeah. It's too much for me. It don't think it's a bit like, oh, like if it, especially if it's save, it's like a slow song and someone's going. We can do it. Yeah. Give me a break. Like I need a break. I hate that. I hate echo. I hate that echo function every song. That's annoying for me. Yeah. Like give me something different. Yeah. Sort of thing. And what about what about the flow of music? Yeah, I was about to say I'm not beatmatching. I hate that. Yeah, beatmatching for me being a wedding photographer and having been a part of many different DJs there and also clubs as well is buying a song for too long. Yeah. That is my number one. Mate, it's been a minute forty five. The crowd has heard the chorus twice and they don't give a fuck about the Macarena anymore. But I understand. I understand if you're playing a song too long because it's either like a switchover. Like you're switching DJ over and the DJ isn't quite set up yet. So you're giving him that time. Yeah. I don't mind that. Or it's a song that you know that. Maybe that's not an excuse. That's not an excuse. Because as a DJ, you should be able to find the highlight of the song and get out of it very quick. Yeah, exactly. There's a couple of DJs I remember that that I was just like, I am recommending you to everybody there. Change of songs was every forty five seconds. You know, Grandmaster Flash style. I was like, this is so good. This is the one. And and you know, back then they were doing it with vinyl. They were finding the exact like that shit. Like that was real DJ. No, there's some DJs over here that I'm like, if I if I have something on your 100% being on it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. There's some DJs over here. Yeah, I just I just come on like read the crowd too. Yeah, reading the crowd is so important. There's a lot of DJs out there that like just ah, if I have to swap one, it'd be DJs that don't look up. Oh, they don't go, hey, guys, how's everything going? You know, because like assessing your situation is so important. Like the interaction that you have with that audience. Yeah, no one wants to like as a you want to watch a DJ have fun. Yeah. Right. And it be genuine. You don't want to watch a DJ just stand there and do this. No, you want you want him to be an entertainer. This is the worst. This thing here. It will almost make me want to be like, oh, you've had enough. Let me take over. OK, let's play. Let's play one pro, one con, DJ Fisher. Fisher, is it DJ Fisher or just Fisher? Fisher, you know, you've made it. You no longer have a DJ at the start, eh? It's like. Or you have MC at the front. No, yeah, I made it. You made it. Yeah. If you just got your name, like no one has to know that. I'm a donor. Beyonce. Yeah, like God, pros or con? Yeah, one pro, one con. Pro, I think, technicality, like crazy, crazy, like you just visually. Yeah, watching you learn something every time. Every, every time. Yeah, con. I feel bad because I'm like, I'm sitting here like, this guy's going to rip me a new one. But I would say. Well, not like con, something that you would personally do different. Something I would do different. Yeah, that's a better way of wording it. Selection, selection, selection of music, selection of music. Now, is that because of your personal preference or? I just feel like sometimes there isn't a story behind it. OK, fair enough. It doesn't like it doesn't flow as well as it should. All right, one more, Rufus. One pro, one con. That's unfair. He's one of my favorite DJs. All right, start with the pro and then what do you really like? His selection is crazy. Yeah, like that's someone that like. He just he's right every time. Yeah, like he's really wrong. Yeah. Did you go see him? I didn't get the chance. Yeah, I didn't even I was here. I was like, I didn't get the chance. Yeah, that's someone that's really, really wrong. And it's crazy because the people would be like, well, wait, you DJ so do like you do different music. And I'm like, I indulge into everything. It's the skill set. People don't understand, you know, like I indulge into everything. Yeah, but he he's really wrong. Oh, come on. It's because he's ticked my number one box, which is the selection. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there you go. The other I mean, for me, I wouldn't know. For my one DJ that I grew up listening to was Calvin Harris. OK, yeah. And commercial is back then. I remember having this one set list from him just listen to it all the time. It was an hour and a half long. And I was like, yeah, sick. See, I got to the point where I knew like all the transitions and stuff. Yeah. And then I got to see him live in like 2010 or something at, I don't know, stereo or some shit. And I was like, fuck, yeah, Calvin Harris. And by the exact same set, it felt like he just put the USB in and press play. That's because this is one of the main reasons why I don't use USB because you're you are limited to the memory that is on that. You are totally limited to what that is, right? Right again. What's that mean? Oh, oh, is that it? Oh, sorry, Ryan's come in and said Fred again. So, yeah, like that's why I don't use a USB because if it's like with my laptop, I know it's a bit like in this sort of memory that you have. So Serato to me is the best program I've ever used. And I only use Serato because, again, I've got my laptop. I've got my catalog of absolutely everything that will ever need when you put something on the USB. Once you've gone through all of that music on the USB, what do you have to do? Yeah, if it's if you're having, if you've got like three or four gigs, are you not going to get bored of that? Yeah, that's what I mean. You know, you're going to and then people get used to what you're doing. By all means, because I've been DJing over here for so long, people are they know exactly what they're going to get from me at times. And I get that. But like, I always try to incorporate something that's quite quite new and energetic in there. Hence why I've been doing it for so long and been at the level that I'm at for so long because it does change. It doesn't stay the same all the time. That's that's the fun bit. Yeah, I I remember kind of realizing one time at a festival, I was listening to one DJ. It was like kind of like the third or the fourth kind of set. And I was like, wait, there's a pattern here. It's build up, build up, build up, drop the beat, doof, doof, doof, everyone's bouncing. They run out of energy and it's the same thing again. Yeah. And I'm like. And then I just I just stopped and I just watched people. I'm like, what the fuck? It's hard being a festival DJ. Do you know why? Because everyone's on pingas. Well, that is one. But it is hard being a festival DJ because these festival DJs when you get to a festival. A lot of these DJs, number one thing is they're trying to impress. And the thing they're trying to make sure they trend as well. And they're connected to the crowd. Oh, yeah. It's very hard, even though there is millions of songs out there, it's very hard being a festival DJ and keeping that energy at a high level without repeating something that last DJ that was just on did because that DJ is also trying to impress. Yeah, very true. So they smash out so quick of like things that are like very like popular. Yeah, you'll find that you might even find that the opening DJ is doing that. Yeah, yeah, because that opening DJ is trying to get that spot of the the maybe close to the main set. Yeah, you're hungrier. You're hungry, man. And all these DJs are booking. Yeah. Oh, mate, I've been there. I've done it. You have to because it's like if you go in there cold. Yeah, it's like these guys are looking at you, man. And it's hard, right? It's real hard. And I learned that from Rob Percy at one of the gigs. I think it was I forgot the name of it. It was in London and he took me to it. It was one of my first ones I went to and I was on stage and everything. And the DJ before them was going so hard and Rob like we're sitting at the back and I'm like looking at Rob. Like, dude, this guy's got hard. What are you actually going to play right? And like Rob's like sitting down there on his laptop. Like I'm like, I'm watching this guy. So he's like shifting his strategy, shifting his strategy around. And then he's like, it gets up there and he's playing. And like for the first like 15 minutes that he's playing because he's had to switch up everything in strategy and try and make sure that he's not playing what that last day did in the last like 20 minutes sort of thing. He's trying to delay. He's trying to delay the repeater songs. He's not saying that he's not going to do it. He's going to do it, but he's trying to delay it. But the energy bro was just flat because the last DJ has gone so hard at playing everything. That's like noticeable. Yeah, so you don't like come together to start going. All right, don't don't cut my grass here. DJ is going to do that. I would never that's one thing that I don't do. I would never be like I always I will always say, look, listen to a DJ. I always say to a DJ, look, this is what I'm going to play from my like maybe like first song. So it helps like helps me, you know, get into like the groove of things and always be like maybe the same BPM of what the last DJ was playing. But look, that's what that's what I'm going to do first. But I will never tell a DJ not not to play a song if they want to play that song. And they say to me, no, look, I'm going to unless it's your original track for it. Yeah, I can't like that's like a unwritten law, I guess. Yeah, it's happened to me before. They play one of your tracks. Recently, but I'm not I'm not mad. I'm not mad because it's actually one of my friends. I did a sneak peek. So I was just like, I was just all right. He's a bit of a teaser. Yeah, well, that last track is what you're listening to next. To be fair, he told me he was about it when I played your track, I was like, oh, damn it. In my head, I was like, oh, damn it. I was going to do that. But then like, you know, it is that it is. He said it went really well with what he was playing. So I'm happy. I'm just happy someone played it to be honest. I mean, the last the last headlining act of the night of a big festival, for example, they shouldn't be touching any of their tracks as an ad. You would never you would say if you have an artist, that is. Let's say pecking duck or, I don't know, Mashed in Kutcher or I'm just randomly remembering DJs. They were the headline. You would avoid their tracks. You wouldn't play Barbara Streisand. How would I? How would I know what they're going to play? Yeah, well, if they're playing mostly. Well, that's what I mean. Like, don't you like all get together at the start of the night? Oh, OK. Interesting. Is there have they been like me? Have they been like like 50 cuffs and shit from from these DJs? Yeah, but I mean, bro, you play half my set. What the fuck? Nah, you know what? It's because it's like. It's kind of like and this is like an unspoken thing in the DJ world and it's crazy, right? Because it's like what I said to you. There's thousands of songs to play out there. But what a lot of promoters and DJs don't understand is, yeah, there's millions of songs out there, right? But there's only certain songs for an audience that ticks the box. There's only certain songs in the audience for audience perspective that tick the box for them. So even though there is a thousand songs out there or millions of songs out there, there's only going to be a certain amount of songs that someone's going to like. Yeah, there is going to be someone that is going to like. Yeah, something that you're going to put. So is it better starting later on because the audience is already warmed up and you've gotten a feel of what they're into? Like, oh, that's a hard question, because like you would turn up to you. Let's say you're not a lot of people there. What if I headlining with your headlining? If you're a headliner and you turn up early, let's say, well, let's say you turn up one, maybe even two sets before you set up on stage. Surely you're going to pick your head out and go, oh, OK, 125 BPM. Yeah, they're vibing. They're vibing. OK. And then just before you like, let's say the set before yours, you look at you peek out again halfway through that. Oh, they're kicking it at 80, a little bit slower. And then they're pumping it. Oh, shit, he just ramped it up to 160 and they're going off their shit. Yeah. OK. So I tend to I try I'm known for being late. I'm sorry, but I tend to try and get there 30 minutes. A lot of promoters like you to get like there the hour before you're set. But I tend to get there 30 minutes. It's it just sets me up right. I love being there for 30 minutes, feeling the vibe. And then like even changing the vibe a little bit, but in a great direction. I love that. Yeah, that feeling is great. Knowing that that they had that and now I mean, I mean, if you're headlining, they're kind of there for you, so they're going to vibe anyway. Right. Yeah. I mean, sometimes sometimes you can't please everyone. Number one. So what about what about different audiences and different venues? Do you have different approaches? Yeah, you have to. So so talk me through that process. When you step out on stage, you start playing and you realize that it's the wrong audience. What do you do? This is why it's important not to play on a USB because whatever is on that USB, you have to stick to it. So do you have like do you have like collections? You just go out this collection to work in my Serato crate. Just giving away secrets. So in my in my yeah, no, right in my Serato. I will have categories. Yeah. OK, so I'll have R&B. I might have R&B 90s, R&B 80s. I'll have hip hop. Then I'll have hip hop classics. Then I'll have hip hop new gen. But isn't that like basic common sense to do that? I'll have no, because not a lot of people say it out that way. A lot of people out there will set like so. And this is one of the things that I do as well. So one of the ways that Rob initially taught me was to have like a criteria that you have for an event. You name the box, the event name. So you know everything that's playing within that event. It's yeah. Right. But if you tend to get another promoter, that's honest, I love that set that you did at this place. Then you're going to evolve it. You can evolve it and then create and then add it. And so a lot of people do that. Yeah. Yeah. So what helps is if you set it up the way that, like I said before, as in like R&B 90s or whatever, and someone comes and goes, have you got any night? Or have you got any, you know what I mean? Have you got any like classic hip hop? You're just going to go straight to that crater. All right. All right. Spot test. Small venue, 200 max. The crowds edgy. They're born in the 90s and if they get loose on a couple of drinks, what songs you play? What sort of songs you play? My preference? Well, the crowd's preference. They get the crowd going. Are we talking hip hop? Maybe. The venue is more of a bar slash pub. Can't put me in that box. OK, OK. So you're declining that gig? Listen, in a bar. Like a pub. Yeah. Hell, yes, I'm declining that. Yeah, I could. Like a band, bro. Fucking higher band, right? In a pub, I'm like, no, I've seen it before. It doesn't work. If it was a club, small club, 200 people, someone comes out, ask for some night in music. What am I going with, actually? It needs some like energetic some life. Yeah. I'll be playing ace of bass to start with bang. Yeah, that's the difference. That's a whole different kind of music that I'm going to play. It is me, you know, I like ace of bass. And you know, I mean, I'm going to try and hit it with a absolute classic. What am I going to do, man? Biggie, two pack. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking maybe like a snoop, a drey, a biggie. And then you realise the crowd's more of a rock crowd. What do you do? Bail. No, I'm playing Lincoln Park. Oh, yeah, true. Yeah, a bit of a bit of the punk. Believe it, I've played one one. Yeah. Rock gig. Yeah, people would be like, shut up. How'd you go? I played the most like commercial rock and you could have a bit of a blink when I it was like. But it was literally I did it for the money. I was desperate. So yeah. And now now, OK, top three genres that you would play all the time forever if you could just choose them. Go. Hip hop. R&B. Oh, this is this one's hard. The third one would naturally round it off with rap, but you're not thinking rap. No, because hip hop, technically, yeah, comes into that very something in it. I can't choose between the last two. What do you got? Even though they technically are the same. What do you got? It would be either Afro Beats or Ammo Piano. What's that one? The last one. Ammo Piano is like so, you know, house music. Yeah, it's like slowed down. Oh, slow down house music. But it's like the sounds are like, yeah. Like when you hear the music, yeah, you just want to move. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You can't not move. Like I I'm yet to see someone or a human being hit on my piano and not move. I'm going to have to check that out. Yeah, for sure. I swear to you. Afro Beats is dope. Like every time I hear that, I'm just like, yes, this is why. I've been at the Afro Beats Fusion Boys here. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, great guys. Absolutely. That's actually they were I did one of their first events, actually. There you go. Yeah. There you go. Great lads. There you go. I'm very inspirational and yeah, definitely made their stamp on for Afro Beats in Perth. Yeah. All right. So couple festivals coming up. Let's this hypothetical and you want to be up the bill like towards the top of the bill. How are you hustling and what sets you apart? I think the way that I'm going to get there first, how am I going to hustle it? I'm going to make sure that these guys, for one, I'm going to make sure they remember why they booked me. Hence, I'm going to go home on social media and make sure that like, you know, the things that they've ticked off to say that this is what you do great. This is what we want. I'm going to make sure that they can see that and they can hear that. If it means social media or if it means me making a mix on SoundCloud prior to the event before the event, then I'm going to do that because it's going to make someone in that team think, oh, maybe we should actually bump him up. You're not just going to email them saying, hey, please hit me up. You're actually going to give them a decent portfolio to consider you with. When it comes when it comes to like festival wise, you have to earn that. It's not something that's just giving. You have to prove that you can be up there and do it, really, really do this. So even if you do follow these steps that I'm saying to you, nine times out of 10, you're not going to get bumped up the order. But it's the hustle because what this will do will help you get booked again. Because they're going to remember that you worked that hard to try and get up in order. Exactly. So, yeah, that's that would be my first step. And what's been in in that process for you, you've headlined as well. What has been one of your greatest achievements personally in that space? My my sorry, my greatest achievement at the moment and it's only because like recent conversations that I've had with people. My greatest achievement is the fact that I'm not over here, but yet I've influenced the culture of the club scene. That is like I'm just a scene in Perth. That's like one of the most amazing things to me. I'm just Ashley Ford. And there you go. You know my name now. I'm just Ashley Ford from Southeast London. And I'm the guy that back home a lot of people would like count me out and say, you know, like, I don't know what he's doing, whatever. And the fact that I can one, do it in my own country and then move to another country, start again and do it here. That's special to me. That's massive. I don't think there's anything that matches that. And the fact that I've managed to do this for three years, you know, I'm walking around and people are like, yo, when are you going? Oh, that's cool. I'm here for you. Yeah. Like guys, you have no idea and anyone watching this, I am like so grateful, man. And like, honestly, I'm grateful for like, yeah, humble. I love the support, man. Thank you. Other DJs out there who are not vibing with your shit and who are going, he's DJ prophets. I don't rate him. But other DJs who are up and coming, who are fearing of that sort of judgment and feedback. What do you have to say to them? It's part of being a DJ. You cannot please everyone. This is like a lot of people strive to like really try to please everyone and you just can't do it. It's one of them like lessons in life as well. Not everyone is going to like you. People might not like you for no reason. That's just the way the world is. It's the same as DJing. You can't be scared sometimes of what people will think. Because your job is to put that question mark, especially with music, your job is to put that question in their head. Do you like this? That is that is one of our jobs, you know what I mean? And it's one of our jobs for just music and the artists that are out there. They're not giving you the music to, you know, give it to someone that might not like it. But also they have to find out who likes it. So that's our job. That's our job. And if they don't like it, then they don't like it. It's just one of the things. If they don't like what you're playing, that's fine. I guarantee there's going to be 10 or 15 other people out there that do like it. And what about specifically other DJs who pass judgment? That's just insecurity of themselves. I feel like other DJs, it's not fair to say. And even for me, like it wouldn't be fair for me to say that. This person doesn't do something well, or that person doesn't do something. Yeah, you hesitated. Yeah, they might not they might not have. They might not do that particular thing that I'm looking for. Well, but there's going to be other things that they do extremely well that I can respect. Yeah. You know, I mean, I hear it too. You know, I mean, I hear the talk. I hear about people that talk about me and say X, Y and Z. And yes, it like there are some guys out there that I'm like, I don't really vibe of it, but I respect it. I respect it. There's a difference between like, you know, I mean, like you don't vibe of it and you're not respecting something. So you just brush it to a side and there's a difference between like, yeah, maybe I don't vibe of it, but I respect it because it means I'm learning. Exactly. You can learn. You can learn from someone that you hate. Yeah, you can. I have that I'm discovering more and more of the music scene here in Perth that had no idea about like the rap scene and hip hop scene and like, like actual artists coming out of Perth. Yeah. And the music is not for me, but I love the hustle. I respect it and and I want to get around them. Yeah. I wouldn't be listening to the track over and over. I'd give it a listen. And if it slaps, I'm off. But if it doesn't slap, I'm still gone. Yeah. Good work, man. Keep going. Yeah, because like I like before obviously coming from London and a lot of like a lot of these artists would say, oh, yeah, but I'm from Perth. And I'm like, what? Like, what do you mean? That's the reason why you think you're not supported because you're from Perth. I was like, well, you might not be supported in Perth, but you'll be supported in other parts of the world. So like guys that are feeling hard done by Perth. Why are you thinking just Perth? Bro, you should be thinking worldwide. Yeah, go for the top and enjoy the journey on the way. And the thing is like, I get it because being like supported by your own city is like great, you know what I mean? But like being supported out there in other areas, it helps your city get on board with you as well. What about if you feel like you're not making it in your local city but you feel like you'd make it somewhere else? Is that a good mindset? Yes, I think, do you know what? There's a few artists out there that I think from Perth, I would say Figaro Jones was one of those. I don't know if you've heard of him. No, I haven't. So he was actually he actually had a song on like NBA 2K. Sick. And he was from Perth. Amazing. So yeah, like amazing work. He's dope, but he wasn't supported enough. He wasn't discovered here. And he moved to Sydney. And he was discovered there. So it is still a legitimate strategy? Yeah, for him, it was a strategy. It's like it's like he needed the love there to succeed. But at the same time, like he like he's he's dope. And I think he's going to have more music. I wish that he I hope that he has more music coming. Yeah, because the success that even though he was here, the success that he was getting while he was here was 10 times of what he was getting when he was over there. I feel like wow. And I DJed for the guy and I know. Yeah. And he knows I like cut the shit. You know, I mean, I'm that type of guy. I would cut the shit and I would say like I'm saying it now. Yeah, I mean, it's just like I see a lot of like not even just DJs, but like actresses or actors or someone that wants to make it. They think, oh, I need to move to LA or I need to move to Melbourne. Perth's got nothing. It's like I personally think that Perth's like the best like testing ground. I feel like Perth is a land of opportunity. Yeah, city of opportunity. It's one of the most livable cities in the world and people are still sleeping on it in it. Crazy. You know, I'm for someone like me to come from London. Yeah. And still come here and make a success. That should show people that like it can happen. You know, I'm not trying to be arrogant on it or like big up myself on it. I'm saying like you can do it. I'm not even from here. I did it. So imagine what you can do. You've got more resources than me. If you can do it in Perth, you can do it anywhere. There you go. Upcoming projects. Upcoming projects. I have a few. So a lot of people are asking me about Expressions Radio coming back. So Expressions Radio, I created that for like, you know, like Future Beats and stuff like that, which is like remixes that you hear for like TikToks and stuff like that. Sick. So I'm bringing that back. Oh, I have like guest DJs on there. So hopefully that will start towards the start of the new year. Yeah. I'm also where I've been doing my own remixes. I recently released my Hide and Seek Stormzy remix. 20K, 20K plays first week. So that was on that's on SoundCloud. Sick. Yeah. So I'm also going to be doing an EP with like stuff like that. And yeah, that's I'm looking forward to that. So look out for that. I'm also going to be doing another project that I've recently come up with, which is I'm going to be taking artists from Perth. I'm going to put them on, put them on a nice little like EP with like some remixes and stuff like that. A few hustles there. We've tried to do that. We've got Keys and Creps. Keys and Creps is out there now with that platform with Jason Brown. Shout out to Jason Brown and Jayden. So Keys and Creps is really taking the next level with that. We're going to be doing like more street videos, more like concept videos and stuff like that and linking up with Fluent Store. So that's that's going to be amazing. I'm going to be doing a few shows, Sydney, Melbourne, Gold Coast. I'm going back to London, hopefully Europe as well. Yeah, I'm indulging in there's nothing that I'm not trying to touch. Fashion, all of it, man. And how are you doing that with kids and you have kids? Luckily, I have like, luckily, the mother of my children are actually as much as we've thought she's coming clutch. They're amazing. Yeah, they can clutch as much as there are problems along the way with what comes in this life, as you know. Yeah, they come clutch. So shout out to you guys for that. And I've got again, I've got an amazing support system. I have an amazing manager, Zincra. She's amazing. I don't know what I would do about her. She literally sorts out like my whole schedule and everything else. So that's what I would do. I need one of those. Yeah, I have an amazing girlfriend which she does complain. Yes, about like the time that she gets to spend with me. But at the same time, she understands that, like, this is what I'm about, man, I'm about a hard work. She she knew that when she signed the papers. Yeah, yeah. And I've got like a close net. Like I don't I could probably count my friends on my hand. Yeah, that, like, I'm really like close with and they help his family. Yeah, yeah. Love that. That's a great support system to have. So what is one, maybe one, couple of things that you want to accomplish in this career the most? One of the things that I want to accomplish in this the most. Got him. Got me, man. Because I I I do this because one, I love it. And two, it supports the people that I love. So, like, for me, like it's endless. It doesn't matter what I sort of accomplish in this sort of field. For me, it's not an end point. It's something that you want to do. Yeah, I'll give you an example, right? For me, I want to be able to hire my friends to help me. Yeah. Like go further than I could ever imagine. And they and they're not and they're not like shackled down being my employees. They're there to go. I can love making content with you, sir. And I get paid for it. Sick, you know, and and and it's like I want it to be in an abundance because even if they aren't feeling up for it, it's OK. It's OK. And they're not going, oh, shit. Now I have to go back to the nine to five. I would say then for me, actually, do you know what? I'm not selfish enough, so I'll pick something for me. Yes. And I will say a world, a world tall with an artist. A world tall with an artist would be like, let's let's manifest it. I'll let's let's go further. Who is it? A world tall with an artist of my picking. Yes. It's on the tip of my tongue, but I don't. You should say it straight away, which means you haven't manifested it enough. No, it's not that. It's because there's so many different artists for different reasons why I would want to talk with them. Give me give me whoever I would love. I would love to tour with Lucy. I feel like his energy is amazing. There you go. Like his energy is put out to the world. Someone tagged Lucy. Get this man on. I would definitely love. I would love a trippy red. Yeah, I would love a trippy red. I would love a skeptic world tour. Now that would be amazing. So any of them dream collabs as well, like on on your on your like tracks. My dream collab is passed away, which is biggie. Oh, I mean, true. Jake, do you Snoop Dogg charges 250K for a bar? What? Yeah. I read this somewhere recently, 250K. I feel like that that sort of stuff is like escalating. I haven't validated it. Did you see somewhere that someone paid Nicki Minaj a meal for an hour over a time? What? What were they doing? Who is that important? Is it just me that thinks that? I mean, I don't, I don't know. Would you pay a meal for your time? I would not. Would you let anyone pay a meal for your time? Oh, depending on what I was doing. If I was thinking about it depends. It depends. It depends on who it is and what I'm doing. Okay. So I thought about this. I've talked about this. Actually, I've actually thought about this. So let's say. I love it when he does this. It comes around. My crew has been looking at my camera because it's one camera. Is it still good? Or is it? All right. Great. So main camera. I have this kind of vision that the Prince of Emirates 13 year old son, if there is an even is one, just finds me on Tik Tok or some reason and just goes, I like this guy. He's my favorite Tik Toker because he keeps the kids come to me and want to take a photo of me at that age. Yeah. Imagine the Prince of Emirates or Saudi Arabia or something just vibes with me for some reason. And then goes, I want him at my 13th birthday party. And then the king or the royal family hits me up. However the fuck they're going to do it. They're probably just going to fly here and get a whole like all these black escalades rocking up and they just come to my door and I don't know how the fuck they'd find me. They have their sources. Trillion dollar family. And then they go, we need you at my son's birthday in Dubai at the Burj Khalifa. I don't know what accent I'm doing right now. Will you come? Will you come? Will you come? We will look after you. Name your price. I'm like, I'm fucking making bank here. This is my bank because one million dollars for their trillion dollar family is pennies and I'm gone. Right. Okay. My demands are million dollars. Deposit. I want three G wagons. Deposit. Three G wagons. Oh God. And I would like to potentially negotiate a retainer for the next year. Cash it in. Yeah. Emirates, you guys own Emirates. And I'll express my problem to them. I don't fit in the economy. I would like a lifetime first class for me and my wife on Emirates for life. And I will make it to your son's 13th birthday. Absolutely no problem. And then they would snap call it. They were like, done. And I'd be like, fuck, I should have asked for that. And then I rock up and then I'm visualizing this. I rock up and I'm just like, Holy shit. Okay. Now what do I have to do? And then the kid comes up to me and I'm just like, Hey, and like, um, uh, some of the kum and all that stuff. And, and I'll wear the, I'll get amongst it. I'll wear the clothes and traditions and I'll learn about all of it. And I know a lot of it already because I've been in Dubai heaps of times. Every time I step into a cow, I'm like, uh, some, uh, Salam alaikum. And they're, they're, they're, they're body language changes instantly. I come in white dude comes in and they're just like fucking tourists. Probably made some fella ease. Yeah. And then they're like, Oh, and then they start talking Arabic to me. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's all I know. But they, but they, that respect is instant, right? Yeah. But going back to the party this 13th, 13 year old party. We're hanging out making Tik Toks and I'm just like sick and you know, like, and then I get home and then there's this G wagon outside my rental property. I've got a mill in the bank, another two mill for going there. And you got two mill, you better not be going back to a rental property. I've got it sorted. But that's what I mean. Like this is how crazy Tik Tok is and social media is you put yourself out there as you are your authentic self and you, you, you never know who is watching. That has status that has money that has ridiculous money. They'll just go. Yep. I want him at my 13th birthday party. Remember the movie, Billy Madison? Wow. Remember the movie? How do you remember that? My classic Adam Sandler, Billy Madison. He passes grade one and he fucking throws this massive rich party. All these kids and, you know, you know, that's that shit. And then Billy Madison sees me on Tik Tok gone. I want him at my party. I used to dream of stuff like that. That's what I mean. It's possible. Wow. That could happen. I mean, I don't dream of being invited to a 13 year old birthday party. That's weird. But but if it's like the Prince of Saudi Arabia and the kids are big fan. I'm coming. I'll come. We'll hang out. We'll we'll do some rich people shit. We'll have about 14 Rolexes. Gift one to Ryan because I know he loves them. And but he goes. He's like, sure. It's 50 K. I'm like, yeah, no worries. Probably more worth more for them. I mean, you didn't have to pay for it. No. Exactly. You know, hustle for my friends, you know, it's like in the NBA or the NFL. Yeah. The sports player wins. The sportsman wins. His whole family wins. I look after him. I love that. Like you give him back. Yeah, for sure. Money's a tool. Yeah. And that's what I vibe when you said that answer. Money is a tool. Money is a tool to then share around with the people that believed in you that have helped you. Yeah. And money is also a tool to find the real, the real fakes. Yeah. And most of them come out of the woodwork on. Hey. Yeah. Like like emo emo when he went into the Australia's Got Talent. I was like, I'm voting for him. I'm actually doing it. And I'm like, bro, you have the best flex later on people coming out of the woodworks. You'd be like, how long have you been a fan for? Oh, forever, man. I love your work. Oh yeah. And then he'll be like, show me the show me the text that you voted for me. Show me the text. And he goes, bro, I'm so using that. You know, just like create, create tickets, create receipts, receipts. Yeah. It's easy in this world for nowadays with like social media for people to portray themselves or something that they're not a. Yeah. Exactly. Like it makes people like have this like guard up. Have people like walk up to you and expect you to be a certain way because of what they see in the video. Have you ever had that yet? I'm like, the comment I get all the time is you just like yourself in your videos. That's that. And that's the difference. Yeah. If you're, if you're a circus performer on video, you have to be a circus performer in real life. Because I feel like people nowadays, like they take social media as like, oh yeah, like that's what that is like. And then when you meet someone or they meet you, then they're like, oh, wait, wait, hold on. This is a total one. Hey, a lot of people because they see me DJ and like nonstop and seem like, you know, I mean, like they, they all automatically think that I'm like very, very like sociable. Yeah. Bro. Sometimes I'm scared to talk to people. That's it. Honestly, sometimes I'm like, yeah, I mean. Yeah. I put it on like my schoolmates. They were like, oh, okay. They were like, so you're the same person since school. That's sick. And now you're, now you're blowing up on the internet. That's awesome. And all you had to do was share it on, on the internet. Yeah. That's it. Now how do you get famous? Just like put, put the content out any time I have an idea out, out, out. Now I'm, now I'm tired of it though, because I mentioned this in, in almost every podcast, but I want to put out more educational, valuable content, less of the being a dickhead. I'll still be a dickhead every now and then. Cause you know, people need that kind of laugh release. Laughter is an instant holiday. I always say that. Yes. One of my favorite quotes. But when that laughter's over, the holiday's over. Yeah. And you've got to be either learning or wasting time. Which one is it? The thing is when you're doing this, you're actually supporting the community. Yeah. When you're getting information out there that people like generally need or like raising up the new talent. You know what I mean? Like when it comes to like, especially when I, now like I'm over here, I really want to get into like hoping like the black community and like helping awareness of like black history, man. I think that's so important, man. 100%. I think that's so important. Cause I feel like it's not taught here in schools and stuff. And I'm like, how is that not, how is that not something that is not, you know? Cause it, that's something that can really inspire like the next president. You know what I mean? Knowing them values and what that, what's happened around the world. Is that so important? Yeah. Especially for like young kids growing up to see that like these guys, we're in the same shoes as you. And this is how they work. Yeah. If you can do it, I can do it. There you go. I think that's important. Right. Right. We've, we've talked a lot. We have. And the cameras are going to run out of battery soon. And I better sign out. Thanks for coming in. Thank you, man. I definitely, definitely reckon we'll do a part two sooner than later. Yeah. And all the best with 2023. Thank you, brother. And how do we find you? Social media, profits underscore underscore. Actually everything is profits underscore underscore Twitter, SoundCloud, Spotify, Apple music. 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