 Well, I'm the what the fifth generation now, fifth generation Brandon, and this is my father and this is my grandfather. He's been growing the flowers for the last couple of years you haven't been. And then he does all the hard work like the plant and all the, and I do the harvesting. That's basically what we do every year. I'm Kenneth Bigum and we are here in Table Rock at the Bigum's nursery and this place here belongs to my cousin Wayne Smith and he's lived here all his entire life in this fun place. My grandfather moved to Sam's Valley in 1909. They lived when they first, he came here in 1883 or 4 and they lived on Vilas Road and it was his step-brother which brought him out here to live with him and then they lived right across the road there on Vilas Road. The berries lived there. Do you remember the address? No. Who was your grandfather? Grandfather's John Bigum and my grandmother was a letter bell berry. Bigum. And the step-brother? It was Bigum. William. William Bigum, yes. They lived at, well they lived at a lot of places because my grandfather lived right across the road from the berries and the berries was where my grandmother was. She was a very young woman and he was a very young man and the first time he saw my grandmother over there, she was swinging in a swing out of the tree, you know. And so he says, I'm going to marry that lady someday. And it wasn't too many years, a couple years after that, they were married. And then from there they went down to Sebastopol, California because her folks were there and her father got killed and so they went down there and they were down there for a couple weeks and they had a little baby girl before they went and Mary Myers and she was the oldest one of the family. And then from there they moved down there and they stayed there for two years down to Sebastopol before they came back here and then Bill or William Bigum was born down there in California and then they came back to it and they had a place for the Fred Myers store stands today that was their property there and they had gardens and everything like that there. Out on Crade Lake? That was the other end of the southern part of it. The southern part? Yeah, the southern part. And then they went from there. What did they grow? Do you remember? And why did they choose agriculture? Well, most of the old timers, that's what they did if they were farmers. They just agriculture. Everything, they raised everything because they raised all of it to eat. And so then what they had left over, they sold. I mean, they had chickens, they had eggs, so to say, and so then from where there's that there they moved to... Was that rented property or owned property? That was rented those days. And then they rented a place up on, what's the mountain? Roxanne. Behind Roxanne, on the rock side, they had a lot of farms and things up there. And so they farmed up there for about three, maybe three to six years. And then that's where my father was born in 1900 up there. And I had never been up there all my life. And I don't know if my dad ever knew where he'd come from or not at that time. And those days they didn't travel back and forth like they do today, you know. And my grandfather had to have a buggy and horse to bring all the produce down. He brought eggs. And when they lived up there behind the mountain, they had forty-some different kinds of apples. And so I'm sure they must have sold apples. And it's just a beautiful place up in there. And I always thought it was probably terrible looking, but I really was proud of it. When I went up there to see all the stuff, the farmland back up there behind the mountain. So then in 1909, no, 1903, they moved down to an off-a-violet, towards the other end of the Phoenix Road. And they lived there for several years. And then they moved to Eagle Point on the Owens Place. And then later on they went and some of the kids, I have it in the document, where they were born, when they were born and when they were born. Because when children were born in those days, they didn't know where babies came from. And they'd see some doctor come in with a satchel and then he'd leave. And then he'd come out and say, you've got a little baby brother. So they thought he brought that baby brother in the satchel. So this went on that reminded Dad this about. He used to be in the middle of one. And then they moved from there to, what's that, Creek and Eagle Point? Butte Creek? Butte Creek. Not too far from Butteville Falls. I mean Butte Creek, a place that burnt down anyway. And so they had a farm garden on one side of the creek and they lived on the other side. But the other side was higher than the other side. And to get to see if their property was able to start planting or working up, they'd have to forge a creek, take their horses and go across the creek to see about it. And that's the road produce there too. So every place they went they were farming. And then after that in 1909, they moved to Sands Valley and bought the property in Sands Valley. And we had about, I don't know, over 400 acres at one time. And then my grandfather, he planted watermelons and so a lot of watermelons because the road that went right in front of our house was the main road going to Crater Lake. So all the traffic from Gold Hill traveled that road and then stopped to get watermelons and different kinds of melons we had and whatever was available at that time. And so, and in those days we didn't have irrigation there. But we had thunderstorms and lightning storms about every week anyway. So I can see why the melons and everything done well on dry land because they had enough water to survive, you know. And he just had the beautiful watermelons, beautiful. Where else did he grow up there? Well, we had chickens, we had turkeys, we had pigs, we had beef cattle. I've seen record of alfalfa? Yes, he grew four crops of beautiful alfalfa. And then the war came in 1941. Dairy? Dairy cows? Yes, dairy cows. How many? A lot? Oh, he didn't have too many. He had more of the stock cattle because he drove them to Diamond Lake. Up near Diamond Lake he had a place for the summer range and he'd drive them up there with horses and the cattle were walking down the road. And we never lost one cow with anyone hitting them nowadays. I'm not safe, tall. We truck them nowadays and still can't get them there. Yeah, we have two greenhouses that are heated here and then the other greenhouses are not. So that's why we need stuff so much. We call this time of year cook by day and freeze by night. I think the most helpful for us children was to be in 4-H and in FFA when I went to Crater High School. That changed my life right there. If it wasn't for the future farmers of America, I wouldn't be where I'm at today. And we had such a good teacher, Mr. Koonsman, and he's still alive in Salem, Oregon, way up there in the years, but he was the nicest person you'd ever meet. Like I said, I owe a lot to him. What did you learn? Well, I learned how we should treat each other and how we was able to work on the soil, how we could raise animals. You know, they had classes on chickens and on pigs and all kinds of things you'd learn about those. You know, but being from the farm, you already knew most of it anyway, you know. It was just a review, but it was a good review. Did it bring you in contact with other children? Yes, right. So it created a community for you? Yes, and then every year so many we got to go to Kansas City, Missouri to a convention, and I was one of them the first, second, third years there. I went up there and it was just wonderful to see the thousands of people there, you know. It's all the same farmers, you know. In those days we didn't have women, no girls. I mean, I'm not against the girls and women today, but I mean, nowadays they can do the work that a man can do too, you know. So it was wonderful. Now, what about 4-H? 4-H was wonderful. It was more for, you know, I had the first 1945, I had Grand Champion, the first Grand Champion lamb at the county fair. That was the first fair they had there was sheep. And I had a south down, and they're the littlest thing you've ever seen. And nowadays you get the tall sheep, they want big sheep, you know. I don't know how I ever got Grand Champion on the littlest thing. I still don't know. Anyway, you learn a lot at 4-H how to handle animals and things. I was in 4-H and did these things together. He had dairy animals and I had dairy animals and beef and pigs and sheep and... I don't know what else. We didn't have no chickens. Then we had planted chickens at home. We didn't take them, but it was a lot of fun when everybody was working together. There was just one big family, you know. Don't matter what you had, it didn't have anything, it didn't look good, it wasn't good, you know what I mean? And we didn't condemn one person over the other. It was all the same on he, you know. I've got this article here about 74 years of 4-H service is Notable achievement of local Bingham family. That's right. 13 family members honored for leadership. That's right. I have a picture of all of them. They took it at the fair grounds of us all there. But it was where I had my great- my uncle, Bill Bingham, was one of the head ones there. But I guess the first one that had the 4-H was my grandmother, she had a sewing club in Sam's Valley. And then I had an uncle. My uncles, most of these uncles, Bill and Albert, lived in Eagle Point. And the brown Bingham roads named after them. And then I had another, well then our aunt, she was the only girl of the family that was there then. She was in 4-H a lot, you know, one of the head people. And then I had my dad, Earl Bingham. And so I think there's four of them in there. But a lot of the kids, all the grandkids and stuff were 4-H leaders and everything in their years. So we had a lot of family. Is the hall still Bingham Hall? No, it used to be where Fred Myers is, where it was at. And when they did that, they didn't change the name. They just have a memorial of Bill Bingham at the fairgrounds now, at the Expo. Well, I was born here. And it was just home. I lived there for just 70-some years, just about. And it was hard to leave, because I was kicked off of the place twice. During the war time, we had to leave because the government came and devaluated our property so they didn't have to pay us much money. And then we had to move off in July. But the government didn't pay us any money. And there's a lot of homes back in there, you know. Well, no one, there must be a lot of our older people. What year was that? That was 1941. Why did they make you move out on 1941? Controllment land. They were going to use that from the military. They had the pill boxes up there. You've probably heard about the pill boxes. Well, ours was, our place was right at the beginning, Rhine, where they take the place all the way east. Well, we got the place back in 1948. Did you have to buy it back? Yes. But when we bought it back, we had no houses, no wells, no fencing, no gates. What else did we have? We didn't have anything. Why? They took them all out? Yeah. Well, they destroyed them. My grandmother had a nice house there and it was the beginning of the property where they started. And they kept her house for their help. Is that house still there? We don't know. We used to go up to see if it was there, but sometimes something happened to it. So I don't know if they burned it up. And we sold our house, we had a smaller house for my grandmothers and we got to sell it. But they wouldn't let us sell my grandmothers because they wanted to keep it. I don't think they give it very much. I know what they give them. I got it all on paper how much they give and it's just unbelievable how they got away with it. And so, when we came back, we had to buy it. And just for that, when we left here, we had no place to go. And you had nothing. You had to get rid of everything because you couldn't take it home. I had a grandfather who lived in Grants Pass and had the money that he helped us buy my folks to buy a place down there on New Hope. And we lived for two years. And from there, we went to Ashland six years. Then we came back out here and moved back here in Sands Valley in 1950. And we were the first ones that moved back up in there. And was that the same property? Yeah, it was the same property. The same property. But we had to refence it. We had to do all the fencing. Do you remember what you paid for that? Back? It was all our acre. And how many acres did you pick up at that time? We had about 300 acres there. Was that about the size of the original property? Yeah. My dad, every post, we put wooden posts in and he sharpened every one with an axe to make a point to drive them down. And then we got up on a little box and he had them all and he just hammered the posts down. And he did that all his self, constantly. Never complained one time. But that's when he left Ashton because he wanted to come back home. This is home to him. We had a beautiful place in Ashton, but he wanted to come out here. So that's the reason we're here. And then from then my grandfather died in 1928 and left my grandmother there with her three children. And they were old. They were young. They were in their thirties before they were left home. And this worked there. My dad didn't get married to his 34 years old and he worked on the farm after his dad died and took care of the farm. So in 1950 you had to rebuild everything? We had to build new houses. We had to build barns. We had to build, I think we first built our barn in 1948. And then we didn't build the house until 1950 because we didn't have possession exactly. We wrecked our land. Then we had shells out in the fields. So the first time we went through it was very dangerous. Sometimes we had to call the person to come out and find them for us. And you know, you're out there disting and you never know when you're going to hit one and blow up. But to my knowledge no one got hurt in any place but they did find them. Dad sold several acres off of it. I don't know how many. But then he should have divided it all at that time because then he came to the law that he couldn't divide the place anymore. And when you have a place that could raise four crops of alfalfa and then they got down to where they could hardly raise one. So you know, they wrecked our land. Well, we tried to we got lawyers never saying trying to help us but not a one of them that was any good. All he did was pay him money for nothing. Some of them got what they wanted and then they threw it with us. So what year did the land when did you kind of want to subdivide it? Oh, I don't know maybe around between 2004 and eight. But the law was that you couldn't divide your place because it was a farmland but you couldn't grow anything on it anymore. And some of these big shots would come out and try to grow anything they couldn't grow it either. They know what we're talking about but they don't care. They didn't care. You know, it's sort of sad to think that they kicked us off abridgedly this time in this area. We tried to divide it and we couldn't get it divided and finally we lost it. My son and I lost the price. We walked off of there with not one penny. That's sad. And then from there after we got all that down to then we wanted to move we finally sold my place that I had originally and we moved down on the home place and we had a lot of help financially supposed to be but when they wouldn't there were a bunch of doctors here in this wonderful city of Medford, Oregon that loaned us the money through a loaning company and we couldn't pay what they wanted over $3,000 a month and with my son and I both we still couldn't afford it because we wouldn't have anything left to get machined or anything else or something happens. You know, you're paying them. So we just said there it is, it's yours. And from there on well we had greenhouses on the place and then we moved to greenhouses to have cousins down here where I'm at right now on Glenna's and Wayne's and we've been down here on this farm. I always feel at home here because this is where I was always dumped off when we went my folks went to town because I had Wayne and his sister and his brother and they liked us to come down because see we were young and they were older so they used us like toys uh oh he's not saying anything maybe don't remember it we're on pumice lane on off of what's the road out here? Table Rock Road, yeah, I forgot where is that. Table Rock Road and uh pumice lane Wayne lives right at the corner there and uh he's been here all his life like I said and so he retired from working and everything he worked out and the orchards and things and then when we moved had to move, well Wayne told Doug down here and farm his place and I have another cousin farms back here and so she wanted him to farm his and so that's how we got down to Table Rock and Wayne's been so nice to him to let him do that for us Wayne's always liked this kind of stuff anyway he's a farmer planner I've never seen him when he was a young kid out here picking beans but his grandmother's right next to him so she's kept him working he don't know I have a picture of that right Wayne? I work in the orchard down here before I retired this was my closest place and when they all passed away I was living on it so I just stayed down there Layla and Fred Fred and Layla was a bigam his mother I'm Doug Bigam about 5th generation I guess 4th generation I'm sorry my son's 5th generation and I farm some of Wayne's property and another cousin's piece that joins this property too about how many acres? about 12 acres altogether that we're farming right now would you like to farm more? tell me about that 12 acres is enough to do for just a few of us the bigger you get the more people you've got to hire and you're really not making any more money you're just spending a lot more time working what are you growing? mostly all vegetable plants like tomatoes and spinach and vegetable crops only fruit we do would be melons we don't do any kind of tree fruit or anything like that oh yeah melons do well out here where do you sell your products? we sell our products at the growers' markets in Ashland, in Metford and Grants Pass and then we have a self-service stand here at the farm and we also sell to some of the local store up the road here at Rainey's Market some of the other farm stands also by our stuff and we sell at them too like 7 Oaks we don't really have a problem to find a place to sell it it's just a matter of growing enough what we can keep up with and last year we even sold some to Brookings Gallup and Brookings come over and some years we have extra product and last year we were a little short on product for them but when we have enough is it hard to sell at market? hard to sell the hardest part is getting ready and setting up and breaking down and I've been doing it for 25 years and I've probably done over 3,000 markets so I've done many more markets than anybody in the valley I'm not bragging just to tax I mean when we started there were just a few of us the markets have changed a lot in 25 years since I've been doing it on both ends the size of the market is bigger and also the clientele is a lot bigger than it used to be when I first started doing it people kind of looked at it as more of a swap meet than farmers' markets because farmers' markets are fairly new you can see them on movies and everything else everybody knows what a farmer's market is nowadays so things have changed in a few years people come year after year especially with the bedding plants people kind of see the same customers year after year come get their bedding plants in the spring same with produce people I sell to a lot of people that buy pickling cucumbers and every year they call me up about the same time a year and say the cucumbers are ready and beans are the same way we sell a lot of green beans a lot of people can beans and stuff like that so yeah why are you doing this stuff? well I mean I enjoy it I mean really even though it is a lot of work I enjoy the growing part I also enjoy the selling part of it I like to see where the whole product ends from start to end we start the seeds here and grow the product and then we sell at the retail location like three years ago a couple years back and it was okay it wasn't really anything serious and then we really started to get lots of money by opening lots of signs out by the road and people really knew what we had like tomatoes and squash and stuff like that and they were like oh you have squash and stuff so they started pulling in and they really love this self service we have a self service stand they come by and they're like oh it's self service man I'm 19 now I'm going to be 20 this year and then basically I've just been helping him the last couple years I've been helping him all my life basically doing the markets and stuff and helping him out here and last couple years I finally talked him into getting this farm stand open for us so we can actually make more money and stuff and it's doing well so far yeah but he's getting old on me so is him so I'm helping him out the best I can that was a compliment well it is we're giving you more responsibility yeah you got to take over for us while you're still around so do you think that you're going to continue branding? probably not he was more of a farmer ever since when I like helping him and doing stuff like that but I rather go into something more of like marketing or web designing something where it's like I'm good with money and people so that's what I want to go into and doing a lot of the markets and stuff like that it really helps me learn how to deal with people and all the marketing and stuff like that so do you think you'll stay with marketing and agriculture? I think someone along those lines I have to say you need a website that webby thing is not there yet we have a Facebook page I just don't have a website yet but yeah I take all the photos and all that I put all the information that we have during the spring and what we're going to have at the market the day before we have it there because I'm out here harvesting that night and I come home posted so I've kind of updated him over the years he was old fashioned there for a while writing everything down and we got him onto the computer and got him one of these smart phones where he can actually read the weather and get all that yeah I can read the stuff I'm not too good at posting there's no hope for that one over there over the last I think 2-3 years I've been helping my dad learn more about the future and how technology can help him with the weather and maintaining the frost this year we recently bought a grow light which actually makes the plants grow and get greener due to the not very much daylight in the spring time and then over the summer we'll move it out of there but for frost and stuff like that it's really easy because he used to have to call my mom she would have to look at the TV to see what the weather was to get if it was going to freeze tonight or not and now he can just look at a smart phone and it can tell him everything from it's going to freeze tonight till next Friday it's going to freeze so it's really nice for him to know that and to I mean he still uses the sky and know if it's going to absolutely freeze or not just to know well it's better to know that it's going to freeze than it is not to just randomly guess like sometimes you can know or not if it's going to freeze or not freeze or something like that so that's really changed the technology the technology has really helped and how you've kind of set up the greenhouses yeah we have the heat pads he's had the heat pads for I think when he first started doing this he's had the heat pads and they had the thermostat at night so the plants will grow the heat will go up from the table into the seeds and the seeds will crack open and sprout in the morning and then we have fans that kick on due to the heat that's in there so if it gets hot enough inside the greenhouse the fans kick on and kick off when it cools down then we have electric heaters in there that kick on if it gets too cold in the greenhouse and so we have it all set up on clocks we don't have that set up but the main ones that we use to start the seeds and stuff like that are all set up for that what would have happened before those technologies were implemented it would have been difficult for people so the seed would have taken twice as long to come up it would have you would have had to cover everything constantly with some kind of like blanket or something which would also suffocate the plant instead of using this new remake cloth that they came out with which allows the plant to still breathe but also keeps it from freezing knowing the temperature really helps I mean they've had thermostats for a long time but they're still not accurate even if you look in the sky sometimes you can judge if it's going to freeze tonight or like tonight it's going to freeze because it's clear out but a huge storm could come in and we wouldn't know about it so so technology really has helped it's nice to actually have this trade to teach my kids later down the road actually how to farm and stuff maybe they want to be farmers one day who knows but it's nice to have that that extra trade to pass down to someone and know how to do more than the one thing because stuff slowly dies out over the years and people forget how to do it do you think you'll take an active role in trying to preserve the property in your family as agriculture or hold on to it well this is Wayne's place here so it's all Wayne's property and stuff like that just renting it militarily I might later on if my dad buys a place I might maintain it for him or something like that or if we get a farm stand on here to run full time then I'll probably come and help maintain it at the time will you choose a wife from an agricultural background do you think? probably not I might but the one that I'm falling in love with right now she's more of a historian than she is a farmer and I'm a rancher and a farmer so I have all those stuff but she does want to have a farm later on in life so we might go and get a farm and have horses and stuff like that you think you'll stay here in the area? I might move back east just because she grew back up there and there's a lot of good colleges back there for her and me to go back there and learn but we might come back out here eventually at some point because Oregon's very nice for how green and there's water all the time out here what's the hardest part about doing what you're doing? mostly the hours we wake up at well not now in the winter we just get up anytime we want to come out here and work all day and then go home but in the summer times we get up at six o'clock in the morning come out here when it's freezing cold load everything up go to work, stay there until till about three then come home again unload all everything water everything next day and then vice-versa you do it over and over and over again it's hard work when we first moved to this property when we had to move when my dad and I had to pack up and move over here we had to rebuild all these greenhouses that you see here behind you and that was probably almost a year and a half worth of stuff before we even had the last greenhouse up and over the years we've had issues like last year the plastic got ripped off by a wind tornado and that was a huge issue because two months before that we just bought the plastic and we worked really hard and we got it all hooked on but no you learn a lot I could build a greenhouse in my sleep now basically like that so it's real easy to learn you not only learn plants but you learn weather and you learn building and you learn how to run machinery like a couple years ago when I was getting my driver's license and stuff like that I knew I already knew how to drive all kinds of machinery like quads and tractors and little lawn mowers and stuff like that and shoot my dad would let me drive the truck sometimes too and it was great so if the zombies come will you survive? yeah probably just because I know how to grow plants and stuff will you say that for me? what at the end of the world comes and just everything goes probably come out here, get our generator use all the greenhouses and grow food probably works really good too oh Grandpa you're in the spotlight again no the onions are not me they're my hands where does it come from all the way from Texas? those onions? yeah those onions come from Texas heritage is that what we're from the heritage? yes we have a big heritage in our family you know many of us when you have nine children in the family and I tell you my grandmother was the greatest grandmother there ever was and she always had Christmas she lived right over here in a house and she had to leave up there so she moved down here and it was just wonderful because all the family would come to Christmas dinner and at that time we were living in Ashland and we drove all the way down here to Ashland and be here by five o'clock when breakfast started and as each family came they'd serve them and then another family would come and the others would just get out and talk and visit all nine of them so that's really a big family can you talk about the agencies that have helped? well as far as the future for me it's probably when I'm done that I'm done as far as the future of agriculture I mean there's only going to be someone to take my place out there so I'm sure but I mean it is getting harder and harder with new laws that are coming to effect we've got new water laws coming up we've got new labor laws that could affect farming GMOs just a lot of things that makes it harder to farm anymore and prices just keep going up and up and up on things too I mean the best thing that's happened this year is fuel prices went down hopefully it will trickle down to everything else probably not but it would be nice I just heard last night on the news that they're no longer taking recyclable plastic because it costs more to recycle plastic than it's worth so they're not taking recyclable plastic anymore so what do we do with our plastic when we get done? I guess it goes to the landfill now so it's just different things cycle back and around as far as sustainable as far as soil we don't use chemical fertilizers or harsh chemicals if we do we have to spray these organic methods we're not a certified farm but we probably could be if we wanted to I just never gone that route we grow a lot of cover crops to rebuild the soil to work back in the soil to keep the soil regenerated so we can keep farming over and over and rotating crops around that so we try the best we can to do that I mean it's hard in this day and age to make a living doing that way because it is expensive especially organic products really went sky high because everybody's got into organic farming so organic fertilizers are just crazily priced and so the only way you keep doing it is to pass that price on to the customer which makes organic products go higher I understand GMOs right I mean I don't personally believe in growing GMOs because I just don't think that's it's the way especially for small farms you know and the reason they've done GMOs is to help you know here comes our onions brand sorry you know GMOs are to feed the world I mean we got a lot of people in this world and to try to do it like say with heirloom products you're not going to do it and that's why they've had to you know go with GMOs so I'm not totally against GMOs as far as that goes but I would never do it would have a hard time with minimum wage because the only thing it's going to do is cause everything else to go higher because that's the only way people could stay in business because we grow a lot of green beans and weird they're all hand picked right now we're selling beans for you know two to three dollars a pound well if we bump that up we're going to have to start selling for four or five six dollars a pound you know just to pass it on and it's hard to compete with some big guys that are using machines to harvest the green beans even though our products fresher you know maybe organic or not still you're still competing those two different prices so it makes it hard to for a small farm to hire wages sustainable something that you put the time in like rebuilding your soil making the soil so it's not going to wear out so it's going to last for generations to come so you don't want to use a lot of harsh chemicals on your soils to keep you want to keep the soil alive so it's going to continue to replenish the earth so stewardship I mean that's kind of the same I mean taking care of the property you know being a good steward you know good management of the property heritage kind of a traditional kind of you know continuation of growing heritage vegetables ones that will kind of hand on down to the next generation can keep growing the same things unlike the GMOs sustainable like keeping the stuff in the family and trying to keep future farmers to to keep farming so there's food for the whole world to survive basically making it so even though that a lot of people are being replaced by machines nowadays that it should still have people doing the actual work and farming for themselves so they know how to farm later on even if something goes horribly wrong does sustainable include to you the concepts of finance lifestyle balance yeah so a lot of what farming is for my dad and for us as a family it's a very hard living to make financing stuff like that because during the winter months you have nothing really to grow because nothing grows unless you have greenhouses but over the summer you that's your main point of time where you make all your money and over the years it's been getting harder and harder to make money because everything rises and because that stuff rises it makes it harder to transport stuff to market because of gas prices stuff like that as the years go over the prices get higher and higher and you eventually have to make your plants higher because you have to make the money in order to pay for the gas to move the plants to where you're going to sell them and stuff like that but so far it's been working out over the years we have been making greater progress like we've opened this farm stand and it's really made a lot more money for us and we've upgraded greenhouses and so it's just it's more of like a 50-50 chance one year the weather could be horrible and you could lose a whole crop or the next year you could get really good crops and make a load of money off that because you have so much harvest but that's how it works basically what about the word stewardship stewardship what is stewardship I'm drawing a blank how about heritage heritage over the years my family have been doing quite a quite a job like from my grandpa I learned this last year it was right quite cool so I think 1839 is when we when his I think his grandfather went into Medford and set up a little booth there and gave away vegetables for free just because he had extra ones there and that was pretty impressive to find out and to know that we're still farming to this day and age and we're still selling stuff to people and taking it to market and that's quite impressive to me yeah the future of agriculture the future of agriculture I really I really like how everything is going I'm more of those modern kids where it's like I would have attracted that would be just plow the fields for you basically instead of actually be out there and ride on it all day but I really like where they're going I think they should lower the prices of all this future tech that they want for farming because in order for it to for us lower guys stuff for it to actually use on the property would be great but no I love all the future stuff where you have automatic sprinklers that are chronic and I mean there are some downsides to it like all this GMO and all this these hybrid seeds and all that stuff I mean it was made for a reason but people took advantage of it because it's money but other than that I really like all the how everything gets better and over the years and stuff like that well I mean one thing nice about you know farmers markets versus stores is we harvest everything right before the day before and it goes that morning so I mean it's as fresh as you can get I mean I sell to other stores too but they they'll stick it in the cooler and it may stay in the cooler for two days before they put it on the shelf because they're rotating crops or ours is you know direct from the farm you know to that person they might go home and have for lunch and it's not even 24 hours old and it's just almost impossible to do that when you got a grocery store or something like that I mean it's even fresher sometimes the market is the farm stand sometimes the farm stand's older than it is the market so if you want fresh go to the farmers market you're not going to get any pressure had to put my plug in there