 So, now we're sitting down with Tan Honi, author of SCP-5000, Bobble the Clown, and I think it's approximately 128 other articles on the SCP Wiki? It's near that, I think, I might be like 124 of the ones, yeah 128 in total, yeah. You recently moved up to fourth place on the Total Articles list, which is the only list that really matters. Quantity of quality, I guess, but hopefully there's a bit of quality. Well, to be fair, that's really quantity over recency, right? Because, like, the quality of work is not necessarily reflected in its rating, it's just how old is it? Yeah, there is a bit of that, I don't know if it's a belief. Yeah, so, first of all, I'd like to say welcome to the channel. Second of all, I'd like to say, how dare you, and what gives you the right? You have to be more specific. I've been chasing after the top five of the, by Total Articles account for a little while now, and here you are just blowing right past it. I just, it's so annoying, so annoying to watch. At the same time, I mean, at least you're creating mostly good works. You know, there's actually a meme, because I don't know if you know this, but I do dank memes from Site 19 videos from time to time. Yeah, I've seen a few. Yeah, there's this meme going around every once in a while, and a lot of people have said this. This has happened with various videos I've done. Like, people think that I care a lot about the D-class terminations thing. One of the memes going around is that they think I hate SCP-5000. Right, I have. Because I keep saying, because, you know, because I believe my exact line was who the fuck cares, but then why, you know, why who the fuck cares? But let's talk a little bit about SCP-5000. I think that's a good starting point since I believe that's your most popular word currently. It is right now, yeah, which is a bit surreal. As you said, I thought it would be Bobble Forever pretty much. You thought it would be Bobble. I was about to say, you thought Bobble the Clown would be your legacy for the SCP Wiki, didn't you? I did. So let's talk a little bit about SCP-5000. What went into, what was the idea, the genesis of that article that you talked a little while? It was sort of just that very general concept all started from my wife, the Foundation Turn Against Humanity. And then I just sort of added on to that sort of build on sort of, I'm not being so eloquent here, but it was all about, there's a few ideas, mainly. So it was the Foundation Turn Against Humanity. And it was also the mystery theme. I wanted to sort of do a mystery from the point of view of someone who never had a chance of solving it. Like it's both sides of the near the end, the victim in the murder mystery. I also wanted to make a mystery that the origins could maybe solve, even if the characters in it couldn't. And I don't know how successful I was with all of that, but people liked it, I guess. So it's a SCP-5000 now. Yeah, you hid shit in the find, I think, somewhere near the bottom of the article. And every time I'm like, I don't really, because I mean, I do have an opinion on it. I think my opinion is that it's a good article. It's an okay article, but I don't really, I was surprised to find it made it as the SCP-5000. Not that it was a bad article, but I'm surprised that it was the most popular of all of the possible. It took me by surprise as well, because it was weirdly ahead by quite a big lead. I don't know what really contributes to that. Because I think 5,001 was second place. That's really good as well. So I'm not sure what... Which one was 5,001? That one was Sacrosan by Yossi Posse. I'm sure I've read it, and I don't remember it, which is not a great sign. I always consider that in my evaluation of an article. But just like I'm saying, I'm not sure exactly what separated why from the other articles that gave it to that large metric. It was definitely meme-ier, and I'm not saying that as if it's a bad thing. It was easier to share, right? Fuckin' meme-er was on Dang Me website 19 for a week. This is a communication from the U5 Council. Well, I mean, and that's not necessarily a bad thing, but a lot of people, a lot of authors don't get this, I think, and they'll be confused. Not on the outside looking in, not necessarily like you, where you're confused why your thing is doing so well, but they'll be on the outside going, why is this doing so much better than my stuff? And I'm like, well, if it's more easily shareable, it's more likely to get popular. The quality is, you mean a minimum level of quality, and then after that, it's how easily can you get people to read it. Yes, it's a latch on to. It's all about attention, really, I guess, because they can't vote unless they read it. Yep. I mean, I'm not, and that's not to say that, you know, certain high quality isn't necessary for things to get high rated, but it's not the only factor, it's the best way to put it. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of authors don't get that. But after you've written 120 articles or so, it starts to become pretty apparent. And I say that if somebody else has written 120 articles, even if I haven't written as many as you. Yeah, it's like with the Garfield SCP as well. Oh, yeah. Despite how much I may not want it to, it has become the Garfield SCP at this point. I have yet to read it, but I've definitely seen it on the Internet many, many times. You've seen a giant spider Garfield, I imagine. That's not what it is. That's the image that's being attached to it, because people want to write Garfield memes and there's an SCP that's Garfield, so it's very convenient, I imagine. But it isn't a giant spider Garfield monster, it's just a guy in a Garfield suit. Yeah. Well, you've done more than just that at this point. You're starting a YouTube channel, aren't you? Yes, very recently. Given it going for a while, I've just put this podcast I've been doing on it, but I've started to do a few more short videos outside the podcast as well. Is it still just a podcast? I mean, you know you're saying you can do other videos, but is it still like the primary purpose of your channel just podcasting? Mostly for the moment, yeah. I'm going to try and do more diverse content there, see what people like. But the podcast is something I enjoy doing, so that's always going to be there, I think. What's the topic of the podcast? So the podcast is called Discovering SCP. It's me and one of my friends named Arnell. And Arnell doesn't know that much about SCP, so I've basically been going through the articles chronologically. So in sort of the order that I think best shows off the universe, to sort of get his reactions, his opinions on articles that are sort of really old now, but he's reading them for the first time. Well, so actually it's an interesting way to look at it because it, you know, introducing new people to the SCP Wiki is like the whole purpose of secondary media for me. Right, yeah. Like, hey, look at this. Look at this. It's the SCP Wiki. And it's not. It's not what everyone tells you it is. The data expunge, the censoring memes, there's more to it. You know what, that's related to another concept, and we'll get back to your channel in just a second. But do you think of the SCP Wiki as more horror or science fiction or contemporary fantasy? Well, I think in any given article, it can be any of the three or maybe a combination. And I think sort of the underlying genre just shifted over time. We started off as horror, of course, and there was a bit of weird sort of comedy in there. Then a lot of fancy elements, sci-fi elements got started on it. And at this point, we can pretty much do anything with an SCP article within reason, I should say. But it's a lot broader than series one, for example. Yeah. I feel like series two is when things started taking more of a sci-fi bent. There was a little bit of it in series one. But series two really started to take it in a sci-fi direction. Yeah, especially SCP 2000, I think. That's not series. That's the sort of either end of series two or beginning of series three. That's sort of the zenith of the sci-fi I can personally sort of comprehend. Well, series three did it, too, by a lot. There's a lot of science fiction in series three. Probably one that's my favorite. But yeah. Because I've always been a much bigger fan of, I don't really even enjoy horror, which is one of the things when you tell people and you're like, wait, you write for the SCP Wiki and you don't like horror? I'm like, yeah, that's how it works. I don't think I've ever written anything actually scary, honestly. I mostly just like... I've tried so many times. I come up with ideas, and I've done a couple of horror articles. In fact, I think the, what's the one, No Fury, the one about the, I don't know if you've read it, but it's one about the immortal, it's another immortal white guy, which is sort of my thing. But it's about a guy, an old cowboy who gets buried alive, or no, it's a cowboy that buries somebody alive for like 100 years. And that's someone was like, that's horror. And I was like, I didn't even, when I was writing it, I didn't even think of it as a horror story. Is that to do with the Aces and Apes thing you have with SCP? It isn't, but it is somewhat related to the concept. It was, I think it was around the same time, roughly, that I started working on that. So it's been DNA going into it, I guess. Watched a little bit too much Deadwood, decided I had to do something in that vein. But yeah, back to your channel. So I've noticed, most importantly, the thing that, let's just say, I'm going to be clear here, the thing that got you an interview, that made me wanted to want to interview you and talk to you on my channel, is your content about writing SCPs and writing tales. Right, yeah. Is that the kind of thing you're planning on doing a lot more of? Because if so, I think there's a huge audience, because I always talk about this with YouTubers, like everyone has to find their niche, you know. There's a thousand that's to keep reading channels, for example. Everybody wants to do readings because it's so easy. And it's not, well, okay, let's put this way. It seems easy. It seems easy. And once people get into it, they realize it's not. So it seems easy and everybody wants to do that at first. And then once you get into it and you get a little bit of experience with it, it comes easier over time. So, you know, but for me, it's always been like, at first I was doing explanations, and then I developed the channel a little bit further into some writing advice stuff. And that was like a stopover to me giving out my opinions on stuff. And now that's what I do. So I don't even do writing advice videos anymore, but I still think there's a big audience for it, if we can find it for the right channel. Right. Well, hopefully if anyone's interested in that, maybe check me out, Shameless Plug. Shameless Plug, that's the whole point of, you got to promote. I talk about this all the time. SCP Wiki authors, hopefully you're not one of them, but a lot of SCP authors just find the idea of self-promotion to be, what's the word? Anathema. Oh my God, I'm supposed to write this article, leave it on the ground and hope somebody finds it. If it's good enough, they will come. It doesn't work that way. Yeah. No, that's not a real world. I mean, I get it. Yeah, I get it. I really sometimes wish that is how the world worked, like the quality of an article decided how popular it was, but that ain't it. It's how shareable is it? You need me to minimum standard of quality. How shareable is it? And if it's not super shareable, how well can you promote it? Those are the options. In the past, I have been a bit, oh, I don't want to plug too much, but now I don't care anymore, throw it anywhere anyone looks at it. Yeah, as long as it's within the rules of whichever location you are at. That's the thing about my server. I've talked about this with some of my moderators before, because every once in a while, I've seen some of my moderators be like, you can't, should we limit promotion here? And I'm like, no, that's the opposite of what I want. If you want to become a successful author, and this is the thing, not everybody wants to be a professional author. For a lot of people, this is a hobby, and that I understand. But if you do look at the SCP Wiki as an opportunity to get experience and become a better author, part of being a successful author is learning how to promote your work, period. Definitely. So if you're going to do that on the SCP Wiki, got to be a thing you're going to learn. So you were talking earlier about... So go ahead. A few years ago, I think I did actually get in trouble on the SCP IRC, because I was throwing out a link to one of my articles every three minutes or so. Yeah, they frowned upon that on the SCP Wiki still. And there's still an undercurrent of the feeling that that's just not a good idea. Or that's just, it's not best practices. Let's put it that way. They'll tolerate it to a point, but if you push it too far, I think I was getting to the point where I was just interrupting people's links to my shit. So... Oh, yeah. Even I'm a little bit iffy on that. If there's a conversation on going, and you're dropping your links in the middle of it every three minutes, I'll be like, yeah, okay. This was many years ago. I'm not the same person, I swear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we were talking a little bit earlier before the interview started. I wanted to save it for the actual interview, but we were talking about audio equipment and just journal channel stuff. I would suggest, actually, it sounds to me like your audio equipment's pretty good. Do you have... What do you use for audio editing? I'm not the most technologically savvy person, so this might be shameful, but I do just use audacity, to be honest. Well, audacity works too. I have found as great as audacity is. You were talking about you have a little bit of... Sorry. You have a little bit of background noise you were talking about? Yeah. Now, you can solve that in multiple ways. There's... I mean, for me personally, there's no... I live... I'm in a room with a server and a refrigerator and a computer that's actually pretty loud. In a house, it's pretty loud, filled with electronics. So I know there's going to be a level of background noise I cannot get rid of. Because I can't soundproof this room anyway. So it's got to be sort of post... I can get it down to a minimum, but there's got to be some sort of post-recording processing that I do in order to fix it. And I actually have found that while audacity's tools for that are pretty good, I would suggest you look into getting an Adobe... Getting access to the Adobe Suite because the noise removal on Adobe Audition is, as far as I've found, peerless. I have not found anything nearly as good. Okay, I'll look into that. But if you're looking for better equipment, what are you using right now? Again, it's a shameful... It is just, I think, a little sheet of headset I bought off Amazon. So I'm not sure how I'm getting sort of limited performance I'm getting now. Well, the headset I'm talking to you on right now, I've got multiple microphones. I've got a lapel mic as well. But the microphone I'm talking to you right now on is actually a headset microphone as well. And it's a fairly high quality piece. You can actually do pretty well with those, at least as a starter piece. I often suggest to people for their very first microphone, if you're willing to spend about 60, I think it's anywhere between $50 and $70, depending on what time of year it is and just in general. The snowball mic, I'm sure people have suggested this to you before, but a snowball mic is a good first step. It's usually a good upgrade from whatever you're currently working with at the bare man. Yeah, name's cropped up a few times. But it's only like $50 or $60. I have a USB mic right now. If you're willing to spring a little bit higher and you still want to go with a USB mic, and a USB mic is... No matter how good your USB mic is, it's still essentially at best a little bit above entry level. Because USB mics, they don't have a sound mixing. It's the whole thing. Which I still haven't upgraded from that. Personally, everything I use is a USB mic, except for this lapel. But if you want to get that, you can get something decent for about $120. So it's not a prohibitive... It's... That's an investment, but it's not prohibitively expensive. So if it's something you want to get, I can't remember what it is I'm using right now. I actually look that up on Amazon. So the easiest way for me to remember what I have is just looking on Amazon and what I bought previously. It's the same for me, honestly. I don't know what anything around me is. I'm looking at it. I know what it is, but what the fuck is it? Just items that have accumulated over time. Page two. I think I bought this this year. Did I buy it this year? Yeah, here we go. $128, the Samsung G-Track Pro professional USB condenser microphone. That's what I use for... Any time I need like professional grade quality, that's the... Because that's the highest quality one I have. And it's still only $129. It's pretty good. Yeah, if I need something that's like to a professional level... It's a... You could kill someone with this microphone. I'll tell you that right now. It is a heavy duty piece. But if you hit somebody with this hard enough, yeah, you could kill them with it. Multiple uses. That's not what it's for. That's not what it's for. It's for recording. And I actually suggested... It's probably one of the... For bang for buck, it's probably one of the best condenser USB microphones you can get. I'll send you a link after. Yeah, sure. Down here if you... So have a browse through what's available. Yeah. You can... And I will always suggest like... Because this is the Internet age, right? You can just go on YouTube and look up somebody using the technology you want to buy and find out if it's to the level you like or not. Yeah, you can find out pretty much anything. Yeah, there's whole... There's whole... Something I learned when looking for stuff is that there's whole channels devoted to just reviewing audio and video equipment. It's no... There's a channel for that. Hey, look at this. Multiple channels devoted to... The audio equipment. There's a niche. YouTube review community. Yeah. There's a niche apparently. Well, there's niches for everything. That's the thing. Once you find your niche, you'll be surprised. And I guess those people probably get some advertising dollars from sponsorships from time to time. But yeah. What else did you want to talk about? So just in general or at least somewhat... This is just a friendly chat. This is for... If you feel like talking about some other topic, that's fine too. This is a friendly chat. I'm going to edit this down afterwards. Right, okay. You know, yeah. A little less than a year. That is that we get as much as possible and then go from there. So it's just... There is interest in how the writing style on the Wiki as well has changed over time. Specifically, we've got a lot of more of the long story form articles. Some people say a lot of the STPs now have sort of tails. I don't really buy into that, but... It does happen though. I've seen that happen a couple of times. My favorite version of that is probably when day breaks, which I think would have been better as a tail, but it would not be nearly as popular as a tail. Right, yeah. And I think like 001 proposals can get a lot with a lot more, usually. That's true. I remember Kalinnan's. It's basically a tail series. Yeah, that is just a tail series. Oh, that is really good. I need to read that again sometime. Here's my thing. Kalinnan is probably one of the better... Like just straight up, if we're looking to talk about pure quality. He's probably one of the better writers on the SCP Wiki. In fact, I might put him in the top three or top even top one. But I was disappointed by his 001 because not because it was bad, but because it was just good. And that is such a terrible place to be where you're like, the expectations for your audience are so high that you can make something that's good. And they're like, wait, that's it? There was a lot of hyping up that went into it as well. I remember there was that article called The Countdown. Yeah. And I can't remember the number of it, but that did serve the purpose of just building up to this 001. And the release schedule, where it was like one at a time over a couple of days. That's what got me. Because I wasn't super... I mean, I think I had read the previous article, but it didn't click to me that the timer was counting down and that something would happen when the timer... Actually, what happened when the timer counted down? It was the fact that it was a serialized format. So I kept like being, okay, here's the first one. That's pretty good. I mean, maybe it's the next one. Let's see what the next one is. Oh, that's pretty good too. And I got to the end and I was like, this is underwhelming. The build up was too much, I guess. Yeah. It's like a roller coaster that you go up this giant hill and then you sort of just go down a gentle slope. So that actually brings up a good question. What is your favorite 001? And why is it the Sumerian cactus proposal? Hmm, my favorite 001. I like a few of them for different reasons. I don't... Like you can just cast over it. Yeah, that's the cop out answer. Let me give the real answer. I actually quite like Dr. Gears proposal just because of the simplicity of it. Just... Gears is which one again? It's the prototype. So it's just literally the first creature that came along that could be classified as an SCP and everything sort of built around that. I mean, it is a bit... It hasn't aged that greatly, but the concept just sort of carries it for me. Like how you're not nearly as self-centered as me because I'm always going to go... If anyone has ever asked me what my favorite 001 is, it's the one that I wrote, even if it's a dash J. You've got two on the wiki. Yeah, the second one's quite recent. Thinking about the first one that I wrote, it wasn't originally intended as an 001 proposal. It... I gave it like... At first, it was just like the first section of it. So it was sort of a nine-to-five-minute thing. I showed it around and you're like, you should have more to this. So I did more and more. And then I showed it off and you're like, this reads like an 001 proposal. And I was like, okay, I guess. Actually, this is a good topic of conversation, especially with two major authors on the wiki. Because, okay, I've written a dash J 001. And I have had concepts in my mind for 001 proposals. But I didn't get around to them in enough time for it to feel like... I look at the list now. There's like 30-something 001 proposals. Yeah, they don't all fit on the page anymore. Yeah. And it feels like... I'm not saying that it's a bad or a good thing, but it feels like the prestige has kind of worn off of the 001. Not completely. People still feel like there's some prestige to it. But it used to be like the Holy Grail. Your magnum opus was your 001. Nowadays, it's just, oh, I've got an article idea that fits and could be an 001. That's what I'm going to write it as. Mainly the reason I written two is because, as I said, my first one wasn't originally intended as an 001. And I wanted to do one that was from the start in my mind. I'm not judging you much. This isn't a tribunal. But yeah, the point I'm making is that do you feel that maybe there's some devaluing of the 001 as like the article for a particular author? Like it used to be like that. I do think it isn't quite as big of a deal as it was previously. But like what we said mentioned before, with the older articles getting the most up those, that could just be a time thing because it is inevitable that as more authors come around, they'll write more 001s. And as the bigger, longer that list gets, the less special it gets. And also the less likely people are to read it to use the other app of it. Yeah, yeah. That's why you have a lot of SCP 01 articles now that are like, they may be really good, but they're only like rated 100 or 200 or something like that. And a lot of authors who aren't us will be here as talking about like 100 or 200 as though it's like mediocre and be like, what the hell is wrong with you? But yeah, it's like at some point you have expectations and they go a little higher, right? Yeah. So it's, again, a lot of articles sort of post it. It depends on a lot of things. It's quality. It's the time you're posting sometimes even. The memeability like you mentioned before. So you can't really. I like to call it the shareability because memeability makes it sound cheap. Yeah. It's the share. It's how easily can you share the link? It's a better question. Well, it's stressful for the world. That's the reason why, let's see, yeah, it's a little bit less. When you, there's nothing wrong with something being quote unquote memeable, but I feel like it gets kind of, it says a bad reputation as a word. But like it's like LurkD's image only SCP. That is the best example I can give you of this is what happens when you have an easily shared SCP. Yeah. Yeah. I mean like straight up, you send that to somebody and they can, I love it's been quote unquote translated and I think every language for all of the SCPs, but yeah, they just take the image and throw it in their wiki because it's, anyone can understand it. That's the whole point of it. Yeah, that was for a short works contest, wasn't it, if I'm not wrong? It was, yeah. I remember when, I remember looking at the draft for that and being like, because originally he had, I don't remember what it was, some sort of complex, like really overly, the one thing I can say about that that I have actually helped with within the critique was, because it's an image article, like how much critique can you really give it, but I had this overly complex thing for, actually I don't know LurkD's pronouns. I'm going to use they for the moment. They had this overly complex height thing to show height. And I was like, why don't you just put a little ruler next to the thing? And that's the only part of that that I think I helped when it came down to the critique. That article sort of relies on the simplicity of it, I think with the concept as well. And then, yeah, it's like I said, shareability. And then I think, I honestly think, shareability is the number one factor for success on the SCP wiki. I would probably agree. And then we're not, yeah, like, because we've, we mentioned this at the top. If you can't get people to read your work, they can't up the period. Doesn't matter how good you are, if no one ever reads it. Right. And that's the thing. That's why people like Cactus can get away with writing of, you know, short story or almost novella length articles is because he has a reputation of quality. So people will read it because they know it could be good. Exactly. Yeah. So when I see, for example, that DJ Cactus recently posted his latest article, I of course wanted to check that it was a draft. Because, uh, Yeah. This is going to be really good. It's just my automatic full on it was. And everyone's got their own reputations for, for different types of things. But it's like, and if a new person came along and read the same article, I'm not saying it would get voted off the site, but it probably would just be, you know, below 100 for sure. Just because nobody would take the time to read it. And, and to be fair, it would be very difficult for them to get it onto the wiki in the first place, because if you go up to someone and you're like, hey, I've got a draft that's about, I don't know. 12,000 words. You want to give it a read? Hell no. Here we go. No, I'm, I'm all right. Thanks. And it could be amazing, but you're not even going to click the goddamn link. Or if you do click the link, you're going to look at the scroll bar and be like, nope. Yeah. You need some very generous people if that is your first article. Yeah. It's, it's pretty, yeah. One of those things is like, and a lot of new authors, probably rightfully, just feel like that kind of thing isn't fair, but it's the way of the world. It's not just on the SCP wiki. Yeah. It's not really something that can be undone, really. It's just sort of a natural consequence of the way the site and most sort of collaborative projects work. Or just entertainment in general. Yeah. So the issue goes a little higher up than the SCP wiki sort of set up. It's like, if you want to, if you want to solve that problem, you're going to have to solve culture in general. And I don't think that's the thing that's solvable at this point. And is it neat to be? Because it's worked for, it's worked for 100 years of modern literature and television and movies and everything. Like is it, is it, it's the way we discover things. It's natural, it's pretty natural. So yeah. You learn people by reputation. This is my thing. If I suggest to a new author, that would mean to keep interrupting. But if I suggest this to a new author, I'm like, hey, do this. Build yourself a reputation first. That's all you have to do. You want to write your big old magnum opus. It's 25,000 words. That's great. Do not make that the first thing you put on the wiki. We do say this, but there was a four, two, three, one. I believe that was the author's first thing on the wiki. Is that right? Which one is four, two, three, one? That was the one with, that was the Montauk House. And that one did fairly well, if I remember, right? Vaguely remember that. Well, see, that's the other thing. None of these rules are absolutes, either. Yeah. There's always a connection. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes there's going to be, but you have, when you give advice to people, you have to give the advice that works more often than not less often. Yeah. And like if you took, and that's the other issues that new authors will point this stuff like that and be like, oh, obviously I can make it work because this person made it work. And I'm like, yes, that one person out of, I don't know, maybe 20 or 30 authors managed to get that to work properly. But your best bet is to start small. And this is the same thing with creating an author avatar character. Build yourself a reputation first. Build just, you know, do these things and then start thinking about the more, you're spending social capital regardless. You want to get somebody to read your 12,000 word article, you're going to be spending some social capital to get them to do it. So you better have earned some by that point. Right, yeah. It's like, as well, it's like we said previously, just the quality of the right isn't always the thing that goes into it. These exceptions have sometimes come about because of circumstances like being posted at a certain time on a certain date where just people, more people happens to be looking. Or just, just sitting in at the top of the recently created for 24 or 48 hours because nobody else either gets a successful article or just doesn't, nobody writes anything. Yeah. So all this stuff goes into it. An exception, even though exceptions are usually quite pretty high quality, that isn't the reason they're exceptions. Yeah. Man, we could talk about this kind of stuff all day because we've, we've got the experience at this point to know that like what the rules are and then also what the rules can be broken. How you can get away with it. Right. But there's, that doesn't mean the rules aren't there. It just means that once you know they're there, you can steer around them from time to time. Yeah. If you're tricky about it. Some of the rules I can bring myself to go around even because I'm, I'm not bold enough for some of the stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah. Right. Well, there's the things like, I mean, you have a reputation at this point. As I said this before about my articles too, once you have a reputation, you can get away with just a sufficient level of quality. You know, you hit the good enough and then you post it and then it's going to probably sit there. I mean, not, might not be plus 500, but you can have a successful article pretty easily after that point. Yeah, you can. Obviously, that isn't the goal. It isn't just. No, it isn't. Everyone was. Well, I say that. I say that. And then people are like, are you saying that that's the way it should be? I'm like, no, I'm saying that's the way it is. Yeah. I didn't like it. And then again, it's like, yeah, I've used the terminology like sometimes it's like, I did a shit out an article and that's what it looks like. And they're like, that's that's not what you're supposed to do. And I'm like, well, I know that, but sometimes you just write a thing and you're like, I'm going to post it and see how it does. Right. Yeah. I can't lie. I have done the same for a few. Yeah. Sometimes you get it, you know, you get an idea in your head and you have to put it down and then you're finished with it and you're like, I have no idea how well this is going to do. Let's find out. Yeah. That point you don't really want to find out from someone reason going, this is shit. Don't post it. You want to find out for the actual audience. Because sometimes that you'll find that the even good authors can get that wrong. They can be like, this is not going to survive. And then you put it up and maybe it doesn't do great or maybe it does fantastic. Yeah. It's easy to confuse. This isn't going to survive where this doesn't work for me. Yeah. And then let me, you know, you learn, you learn things when you're writing for the SCP Wiki. And we could talk about this all day because this ties into your writing advice towards stuff. But it's straight up. It's you have to find a set of if you're looking for critique, you can't just cast a wide net and ask everybody potentially in the entire world to look at your article and then be happy that like three people looked at it and gave you some feedback. What you have to do is find people that fit your style and your story writing capacity. And like, you build a group of people that you trust. Right. I mean, that's how I've always done. Yeah, definitely. That's you build a group of people that you trust their critique and even great writers. There are plenty of great and a lot of people don't probably I am never going to name names. Okay. There are plenty of great writers on the SCP Wiki who are shit at giving critique or not necessarily. I want to say even shit at giving critique. They're just they're very, it's very difficult for them to separate what you said earlier. The this doesn't work for me from this is bad. Again, I don't want to name names even if it has some is something I've run into as well. Yeah. And we're talking about like, like big names too. Again, not naming anyone. I'll keep saying big names. People that would be recognizable to the general audience. But yeah, it's just how it is. You have to learn to live with that. And then you built as you're going along, you build a group of people that you trust to give you feedback. And if it works, it works. So what happens naturally, I find. At first, my first, you do have to sort of cast a wide net because you don't have those relationships yet, I guess. But as time goes on, that will happen naturally if you hang around in those kind of communities. Sadly, what I've learned about these kind of communities is that there's a lot of people being in flux, right? So you like, you build a nice group of people that you trust, but that's five years ago. So those people are either gone. They're not writing. They're like, I don't really have time for this kind of thing anymore. I've got other jobs that I've got to do. And then you're like, you have to find a whole new group of people of it. I spent a long time in the middle there where I was just like not seeking critique at all because it was just easier. Yeah, and hunting people down, I guess. Yeah. Well, I mean, my previous group or people, the set of people that I trusted to give me feedback were just not available. So I was like, well, what the fuck do I do? I trust myself. All right. Let's do that. I don't know how much I can really say about this without being a hypocrite because I do disappear for long periods of time. Everyone. Yes. That is like, that is like your thing, actually. It's my brand at this point. I have to do it. Yes. That is your thing. I like I pointed this out and when I was doing that, I was, I don't know if I'm ever going to finish that video because now the numbers are switched up a little bit, but I did a top. I was starting on a top 10 authors thing by article count. And I got to you and I was like, he keeps showing up and posting like 20 articles a month and then disappear. And again, I'll catch up to him eventually. And then I stopped posting. Like I didn't post another article after that. I was like, I'll catch up to him eventually. The slow and steady wins the race. And then I just stopped posting because I was like, I got to the point where I like the channel stuff is keeping too much of my attention for me to truly devote time to writing. And I wrote, I've written four things in between three of which I posted and stayed in the single digits. So I took them back down. Right. I'm going to say that again. Three of them I posted and they're in the single digits. So I had to take them back down. But the, yeah, it's one of those things. And then I've got, that was that article I passed to you yesterday, which I worked on. Like I've worked on that for like a month. And by the way, I don't know if I told you this in the chat, but I've spent like $75. You did mention that. I was a bit taken aback by that. On production for that. I've never spent a penny on my SCP, so I feel a bit inadequate now. And that was when I posted. I actually, that was when I posted it, stayed in the single digits. So I'm like, I don't, I don't, it's like, yeah, I've got, it's one of those things where I was like, I was like, I don't know what I'm doing wrong at this point. And I don't, I don't want to let it go because I've already invested too much time and effort into it. But I'm, I'm, I've got no ideas. And I've got, I've lost all my enthusiasm for it. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's so gone stale for you. Yeah. Yeah, man. That was great talking to you, man. Yeah. Well, tell everyone what your channel name is. I'll make sure there's a link in the description. And yeah, just a, do you have a custom link yet? By the way, that's the thing that you can do on YouTube. I don't think I have one of those yet. My channel name is listed as Tanhoney. So it's very imaginative there. Oh, yeah. Tanhoney. Yes. And I'll make sure that there's a link to it. I think if you, I don't know, I think I Googled it and like I managed to find you. Let me look on the Tanhoney. Yeah. Your name shows up. You're right at the top. So if you Google it, or if you look on YouTube, should show up right on top. I don't know about Google. Actually, I'm on the YouTube site. But yeah, your channel, because it's a, I mean, that's a somewhat unique word slash spelling, I think. I don't think that's anywhere else. As far as I've found is one of a person who has the same username as me, but they don't post that much, so I should be safe. All right. What was nice talking to you and maybe I'll have you back another time. Yeah. Keep doing those writing advice videos, man. That's exactly, I say that if you have, if you have to find a niche and carve out a niche, I think that's really a good place for it. Very much so. Yeah. I'm thinking about doing some stuff with GUI formats, but that of course means I have to write some GUI formats first. Anyway, thank you very much. Thank you for having me. Thank you very much for watching. If you enjoyed the video, please hit the subscribe button and then hit the notification bell next to that so you're notified when I upload new videos. And if you really want to support the channel, head on over to patreon.com forward slash D. Samarian and pledge at any level, like everybody here on the screen already has, including SCP-6277, who is pledged at $50 a month. VV, who is pledged at $40 a month. Lawful Evil, who is pledged at $40 a month. 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