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Michael So man grimace man. Thank you so much for coming on the show my brother. Oh, no, I appreciate you for having me But man when I think talk about your background man I don't know. I'm not from up here, but you hear all the all these stories, man But we want to go you from where you from tree you from tree top tree top tree top In the city of Compton the wonderful lovely city of Boston is what I'm wonderful lovely city of Boston I Born and raised born and raised yeah, so when I hear about tree top or paru I'm hearing about gang, but when you're born you're not born and you just automatically in a gang In some instances. Yeah, really some instances your community can can can can engulf you some areas it's full gang activity and it's more intense and Of course, you're not two years old running around being a baby gang member. I know but it's expected of you But it's not mandatory. Yeah, no, it's not mandatory, but it's it's it's kind of Heavy and heavy persuasion persuasion right, you know, sometimes it's so intense in some communities that if you not doing something like going to college or if you don't have any goals or you don't have Any any any role models in your family with a structure that's gonna prevent you from being a part of a gang Then you more likely will end up in a gang, but if you have some structure Sometimes you have structure and you still end up out there in the street sometimes sometimes true enough But and when we talking about the city of Los Angeles the city of Compton, you know These are some hard cities that have been through a lot. They're not just hard Be just because they hard because they've been through a lot of economical Design disasters, you know designed and by by a government or by a state You know to kind of create crime so that they can get Funding and different things of that nature. What do you understand to believe it? You know when you see politicians and Government officials building private prisons. Who do you think they build them for? Real conversation has there ever been a time that you have noticed or witnessed where Because I've heard about this in the past, but I don't know if they're still doing it now Where there was a certain kid that was growing up and showed promise Doesn't have to have a structured background and so forth but had so much promise whether it be Going to NFL or Studies are so great a straight-A student were they wanted to join the gang But oh geez was like no you need to go ahead and stick to this this and this and you're not gonna do this Yeah, I actually got a buddy that Was detoured, you know, we we grew up in this in in in the neighborhood of treetop power ruin He went to the Super Bowl, you know, he Started in the Nickerson's he moved from the Nickerson's him and his family His name is Solomon Miller. I think he went with the Giants Two Super Bowl rings. Wow And yeah, we we grew up in the streets, you know Me two of his brothers and him and what we used to do is we used to play street balls See, you never know which way an interviewer is going to go. Yeah, you know, I don't know which way an interviewer is Going because I don't have prepared questions. That's how we are That's how it was so cold, man When we used to play street ball. It's it's in the street, you know, and and we we we play football in the street And I used to I used to just be so amazed. I'm so captivated by Good athletes how tally, you know, I'm not a sports person But I like good to see good athletes do their thing if it whether it be basketball I've seen some great basketball players that could have been in the pros when I was in the penitentiary But Solomon, there wasn't a ball that can get by him, you know, he had man When you pass the side the the curve that's out of bounds and Solomon on one hand that sucker And I'm talking about at 13 14 years old, you know, so yeah And he wanted to join the gangs and they told him no I won't say he wanted to join the gangs. Sometimes the gangs want you to join Okay, you know, but it wasn't It it's not you some people you can't press You know, you you have a A structured family and he had a he has a structured family So his brother is heavy in the streets and I was heavy in the streets and his other brother Was quietly heavy in the streets. So no, you're not finna press this young man Not that they did or didn't I don't know what went on in his personal life But he made it up out of there went to play and got signed, you know, signed up with a Professional football team. I believe it was the Giants. I could call him right now and find out but uh And and uh, you know, uh, you know, he did good, you know, he's living his life, you know, and and we still live in ours Wow, I want to ask you about and I'm gonna jump back over into something Tree top. Yeah You hear stories about Jumping in Explain to me. Is that a real thing or is that something that's just on the movies? Which one is it? It's not it. It's not something that's just on the movies. Yeah, they do do that. They do do that I didn't have to get jumped in because we're the people that started it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well So you started the tradition of jumping in then We didn't start the tradition of jumping in that came along through other hands and other minds But if we started we started as friends Okay, we pretty much know what your hands is like already. We watched you, you know, so, you know, we don't have to Figure out if you're tough or not. I believe that's for strangers I would hope that's for strangers because if you know somebody got hands And you talking about jumping to me and I know some people that you could put five of them on them And all five of them will touch the ground at one point throughout this event, you know So that's not a good idea all the time and I've heard of some situations I was just talking to my partner taboo and he was telling me some about a similar situation I don't want to go into detail because I don't want to uh embarrass no people But he told me a situation similar to that and they didn't know this guy had hands and that and that guy He left some people he had he said man. I had to help goodness Well, when I when I talk about the I've talked to a tolamar with he was I think he was free top, wasn't he? Is it I told him? He's oh, no, no, no, no, no, he's I know he paru, but I don't know what he's gonna cut he from compton bompton Well, y'all say bompton, but it's so many different ones of y'all who been in this game forever And and and some of y'all still living like a lot. I'm not here no more I heard stories. We had al shunner. They said evil al was his dad He was a part of the the the blood or pyroo. Well, you have You have different communities. Okay, you have different territories, you know, when you talk about bloods bloods are in l.a Okay, predominantly When you talk about pyroos, that's generally Compton, yeah, possibly watts possibly watts possibly watts Where's nicosin at? Where's the nicosin's world of its own and it's in it's in los angeles, but it ain't nothing to laugh about the nicosins, you know I I come in and out of the nicosins a lot because that's where oj And solomon that went to the super bowl. Okay and cricket. That's where they came from the nicosin gardens Yeah, yeah, and so as kids we always went back over there because just like anything else We are all home like pigeons. Yeah. Yeah when we grow up somewhere We we we we end up going back no matter how far you take me away from compton. I always find myself Back in the city of compton, you know, wow, I didn't been all up in the valley living And enjoying life, but I miss the city, you know, I miss I miss the streets You know, so I gotta come back sometimes and I visit and you know, it's it's just a It's not a bad city. You know, it's been a bad city, you know years ago centennial high school I went to centennial. What what do you think when I say centennial? What was what what comes to mind? Centennial was a good school You know, I had a fight with the principal You fought the principal. Yeah, physical fight. Yeah physical fight. Oh, what you're in the principal doing fighting You don't you supposed to be now he supposed to be on the disciplinary actions Like you was going to alternative school or something. I'm glad you mentioned that I did end up getting kicked out. But yeah the principal I think his name was mr. McCrumbie come closer to the mic. I think his name was mr. McCrumbie Okay, and you got kicked out after that Yeah, I got kicked out, but I want to fight uh Mr. McCrumbie uh Was a big tall dude, but that don't mean he won He was a big tall heavy said dude and he had more anger than he had more physical abilities I was a young man. So yeah, you know, I kind of grabbed him slam him against the uh, the uh the counter that his his uh desk and uh, You know, he Took his he pushed me up out the office and you know, I don't want to go to jail I know what's next the school police. So I just called pops And my pops came up there and my pops had a conversation with him And my pops used to be in these streets But what caused the fight in the first place it was it I used to sell weed at the school Okay, so you were in the wrong. So I was in the wrong, but I didn't have no weed this day You know, they came to my class to to to get me the school police The the cons my consular and they stole everybody back away from him and they took my bags and they searched And I'm sure I'm happy because I'm like you search me all day. I don't have no weed On me or in my locker nothing. This is a bad day for you, but it's a good day for me You know and so, uh They they took me to the locker and they really felt like he's got it in the locker And when they got to the locker it was like two joints in there, right? But those were my personal joints, you know, and I'm like, man, I ain't got no weed So what caused the fight? Oh, I got sent to the office and you know, I got a little mouth on me So I talked a little smack, you know, how dare you Especially when you know that didn't have none of you embarrassed me like this you come upon my person You know and I'm talking smack, you know and and he just know like I know you sell weed motherfucker, you know And uh, it's just like no man. Y'all care what you know And and uh, we got into a little heated argument and he grabbed me and I grabbed him back and I I got a habit I I like to fight big niggas, you know, I like to fight people bigger than me You know, I've been fighting people bigger than me since I was a kid my brother my pops You know, so I come up in a household fought your father My stepdad. That's the only dad I know and I want to say that In the beginning we had a lot of battles But in the end we became the best of friends. So yeah, but he taught me how to fight He was six two six three him and all his brothers was six two six three six four They come up out of the swamps in the city of Compton the Tatum family, you know But um and people know him because they was in these streets before I was in these streets Let me ask you a question. I'm gonna jump subjects on you a little bit man It's a lot of times you hear when you come up here y'all got a check-in procedure I want to talk about checking in what does checking in uh, why does that derive from is it a real thing? Will people lives get saved going through the check-in process or will it be something to put them in jeopardy? you know I don't really know about the check-in procedure I've heard about it And I believe that yeah, it might be a good thing dependent upon the integrity of the person or the entity that you're checking in with Okay, you know, uh, if you tend to checking in with random people that you know don't know Then that's different. You you it's like a crapshoot. You playing you you gambling with your life But if you're checking in with a reliable source Uh, that's well known and has a history of providing protection Which are guidance, you know You know, I don't mean to bring up things but I think pmb would still be here possibly had he checked in And some people get it Twisted and I think that's based on their own insecurities or their own ego But if you come into a strange A strange city and it's and believe me you it's popping out here in in south central Los Angeles In the city of Compton the city of watts in the same city of linwood It's popping out. It's it's shit going on. You know, it's not publicized all over the news They do as much as they want to but it's a lot that goes on especially since the pandemic It's become like a piracy. You know, um It's good to check in You know For people that come from out of state, especially if you're wearing a bunch of jewelry and gold If you're wearing a bunch of jewelry, if that's your thing and you need to wear a bunch of jewelry Um And you have some events that you're going to be going to you would want somebody locally Unless you brought an army with you Okay, like biz marquis RIP to be is yeah, that was my partner man. You know, I drove biz marquis Uh, I used to do limousine driving really. Yeah How was that? How was biz marquis? It was amazing, man. Um, this spirited guy seemed good spirited, man He even gave me some tips on how to how to, um How to use, you know, if you're not rich And even I would say he's comfortable, but Some of the prices on the products in the rooms in the hotels of the nice hotels are just extortion You know, and so, uh, he told me man, I do this everywhere I go I eat what I want in the room and I go to 7 11 replace it and put it back before I check out and I said wow But when I said our army, that's smart. Yeah, I don't even think he said everything that that's in that room Generally comes from the from the from the people. Thank you, right? Yeah Do you think that you hear what he just said? Possibly. Well, I've seen him do it. So But I picked him up every day and what I noticed And v can contest it is because I picked him and v up every day in a, uh, a tie-hole Okay, uh private You know black Blacked out windows tie-hole And I remember there was some, uh, Haitians Always a car full of Haitians I don't know if they stayed at the same hotel. I remember when I arrived there Um, either they was Haitians or Jamaicans, whatever They looked to be very dangerous. So they probably Jamaicans They brought they brought their army with them and everywhere we went they was there But they never made contact with bs. They never made contact with with with v You know, they was just there, you know, and the event that something would happen I'm pretty sure that they would have been real active So but if you're not coming like that to answer your question, I think you should check in with a reputable source Or if you have Family or friends out here that maybe can navigate you through the drama You know check in with them, you know But if you don't have no family or friends and you going into the hot seat you're going and and hollywood can become the hot seat, you know Yeah, let me ask you this man because I'm a big dj quick fan. Yeah Um, real I've been trying to reach out to him too. I'm trying to figure out how to get that ball on boss talk 101 Every time I come to la I'm like, I mean, I ain't hit him up in about a year I think it became when when me and sir charl jones a blues southern soul singer that I rock with We was talking about him. He just talked about that. I was wondering is that the same person? Yeah, that's my guy. Yeah Yeah, yeah, my my my my my ex-girl love that all her friends. Yeah. Yeah, he got something going Y'all got to stop listening to sir But yeah, sir charl jones me we talked about a dj quick man. Just how do you what do you? Y'all he went did he go to centennial too? I don't know, but I know he know he from he grew up in the neighborhood. I mean, I know quickie I grew up he grew up right there in the community Very talented multi multi talents How did you how did y'all link and how did you even know him? Well, he grew up in the same same neighborhood. Yeah You know five streets four streets over five streets over. I think that's the I can't remember. It's the 400 block of spruce and You know, I remember he had he's got a little cousin a tiny shot tiny shot I think that's her name and I used to ride around in the hand of bars when we was kids She was she's a cool kid and and and and he was he's a cool guy, you know and his sister He had two sisters. I was real cool one of his sisters. I used to like one of his sisters and uh You know, he did what he did he he's seen a bigger picture He actually linked up what he did his thing, you know creatively By his own by his own skill, you know in his garage with his music and uh as he advanced I think he linked up with player ham and uh Tweet catalact and they became the penthouse players. Wow. Do you remember that? I don't remember that That was the first group that easy signed First group the first group that easy side was the penthouse players easy He he so he said because I I thought he was a Crip or something Yeah, but this is business being this is being a hero. He wasn't even when you focus on his money the money man It's the money. It's about the money, you know for a lot of people for me I got to be comfortable. That's about integrity for me. That's good. That's good stuff. I don't think If it's something I want I can just take it So DJ quick was the other person that was approachable and talk you could talk to it Quick was approachable as a kid But then you know when you get older and you get professional You have to make yourself less approachable because you don't know who approaching you They got all kind of con artists and slick slicksters out there. You know, you might be saving their life That's something that you said that really makes sense man Because I talked to a lot of people who people seem to say they're not approachable But you never know what a person approaching you for absolutely not only that but phone calls You got to be careful when people call you. I have learned that. You don't know who they are. Don't talk Just hang up Text me Center, that's what I'm seeing. Do I do that? I had to start doing that because too many people calling me. Yeah, and then you don't know You know if they on the other end they're recording me. Yeah, and then they can Use this even though you're not even thinking about anything negative They might ask you something they might not even appear to be negative But in the end when they can store it They can turn it into something negative. So you have to be careful with that. Wow You being out here this this I always keep thinking about it. It's just this is the mecca when it comes down to gang violence Yeah, this is where it all started. I've seen where You were surrounded by a hundred Crips. Yeah Break that down to me. How do how do primates get surrounded and how you get in that neighborhood? What the heck was you doing there? We really didn't explore a lot and jb was more of the explore I think jb went to school in Carson, California. I grew up and was raised and went to school in Compton and He had heard about a party. I don't know who he heard about it from And it was at a park in uh Carson del limo park and when we got there, you know Crips and Bloods can and have Had you know gotten along inside a party Sometimes there's some there's some outbreak, but it can be personal It could be two people just doing a given you know having a it's a one-on-one fade You don't always have to be a whole gang fight. You know, it's not always that so I don't know if he knew It's too late to even care if he knew because we in the middle of it and uh We arrived at the party we seen the party and from the top you can't really tell what's what and as we go down We realize wait a minute. This is all crips. We We're on the wrong sides We we we assume and then you don't want to just turn around and walk right back out because it's it's it's an open area Let me explain that better. It's an open area and and uh It's a park You know and then over on the other side you can hear music going on So I'm saying well, maybe that's where The homies are, you know, so we travel on over there and it's not it's the same thing Wow But here we are we got identifying uh bandanas and rags that that that show We definitely pyros and we're out of our jurisdiction by a long time, but are we a class crew? It's three of us. Yeah Did we panic? No, did we run? No, how y'all had this story look scared? No, you got to sit still you can't just What happens when you panic and you start running they gonna run after they chasing you So we just walked on back through like it wasn't nothing like this wasn't an accident And it wasn't no static. Yeah, it was some static, but it wasn't no static, you know Uh jb did know somebody there and he just happened to be a reputable person So at the end of the day it all broke wide, you know, when no no no harm no fire no harm no fire Yeah, they they gave that pass that ultimate pass, but that person that he knew again The question you asked earlier Uh, the check-in. Yeah, that was Back in i'm talking about back in the 80s. Yeah, that that wasn't a check-in That was a reputable person that was able based on his abilities and his history and His his get down to tell over it was over a hundred. It was over a hundred crypts But to tell them all look, this is my people. That's it. Wow. Let that rock. Let them go. They go man I look at up here and and I just go about what I can see from outside looking in But you you doing interviews now, right? But they got this thing called clubhouse and you got like whack 100 different people that that's what they do It's a I've never been on it not one day in my life But it's something that people entertain like where you go in and you talk in different rooms or whatever Is that something that you would ever do? I don't really like phones. I just told you. Yeah, I'm not big on phones But that's exactly what it is. They go in different. I didn't know that. Yeah I got actually got a message the other day. You got to be invited. Yeah It was an invite to to but I didn't know Yeah, I thought it was for an interview. No, I was half asleep. It was like one o'clock in the morning. Yeah, that's what time they do it That's what yeah, it'd be like that. They want you to get on there and talk never You would never do that. Not really. I never say never. You never know Yeah, it's a big it's an opportunity where people they will start Ask you the other interviews and it does open doors because you might be on there with anybody You don't know. Yeah, I didn't know who who I mean, I didn't I was sleep Because once you pick to go in that room, you just don't ever know who's gonna be in there Yeah, you know, you can't see them But you just be in there and they be asking you questions. It'd be about seven people talking. Yeah. Yeah I'm not with that one But it will put eyes on your brand. Do you know what I mean? But I'm all right. Like I said, I'm not greedy Yeah, it's a new day in time and I just ask because there are so many different avenues that you can expand I've never done certain things and I don't think I'll play privy to it I like to just talk and really give, you know, people something to look at to where Somebody might be watching this one night and say, you know what man, he made it out Yeah, somebody might be watching this. That's what I'm saying to say he made it out. Yeah, definitely And that's what that's why I do it. You know what I mean? For you to still be here And that's the thing for me. That's what it's about. You know, I talk about The things I've done to qualify I talk about the life I live for people to understand I've been where you at right now. You at the beginning I'm at the end I've been through the dark tunnel. I know the twists and the turns the The the hurdles and and and the unseen drops the falls that you're gonna make before you make them And you don't have to you don't have to experience these things You don't have to hurt and experience the hurt that I felt or you don't have to to to to live that type I mean, if that's what you want to do if you just a savage Like they say the demon or you if that's what you are then do your demon thing But there's there's there's consequences for everything And I know some some people that thought they was demons till they got in that courtroom And they started talking about them football numbers or they started talking tossing them ails around with no possibility Of parole and and all the demon left and now it was back to jesus and god lord Jesus please start begging to him, you know, you reaching out to him. That's it man. So, okay, i'm a uh Look at it from a different perspective when I when I ask these questions I've asked them before to certain people that was in This neighborhood when you hear about people in other states other people Who have taken this culture because you guys have blossomed out so much in the other cities I come up around shreveport It's we had people back in the days was flying in to get away from out here running from situations to get to shreveport So they didn't have to deal with la that were from la but when they came they left children They left people there. They started something. We got cooper wrote down and you got all these different neighborhoods You got uh in houston. I think there was the the pyro's ahead of it down there Um different different places where you you guys have captivated these people Do you guys respect them in these on these levels? I respect them. You see what i'm saying because I always ask them because You know, we started this years ago 76 77 had no clue had no intention for it to grow Or had no expectations of it growing like it grew And you know, it is what it is it didn't grow But I respect them because they are part of what we started All I say is carry it and do it right be your own man. Keep your head up. You know what i'm saying I know some people That use it as a tool. I know some people That mislead it, you know, I know some people that Don't have the same Respect for it as I do I do because I know a little bit more, you know, I'm a little older and I was just telling this guy the other day um It's like it's like the military You know, everybody don't get it the first time out and you might need it. Where are you at? Who to say you don't? Well, I don't know what your conditions are what your situations are You know the way the world is going you might need a army within a city to protect your family from the police I don't know what's going on out there, but I do know that Lives aren't free At least mine ain't it ain't for free. You can't have it and if you're coming to get it I don't care what you wear and you better have a damn good reason It don't mean nothing that you got a star on your chest today That you're trying to enforce the law. I don't know what law you're enforcing and and This is how I live So when when we were talking earlier and I told you I hadn't had physical altercations with the police multiple times by myself See, I'm standing by myself when I'm incarcerated How did I arrive when I came here today by yourself? That's how I ride I don't give no police no reason to put their hands on me or to even I don't know what what a person's reasoning is, but I know that day if the police put your hands on you He could take your life. You could take so when you reach out to put your hands on me We're in a we're in a battle and I've been there multiple times. I got 48 stitches in the back of my head 16 in the front. I had this arm broke this leg broke by the police I didn't have multiple I'd have been tortured inside Marilomas county facility and whole Because of physical altercations with the police and these things I say they're researchable You know and all of those altercations was caused by them starting it or by them starting it by their misjudgment By their misuse of power by their being immature individuals you know and and just You know looking at me is and and and and appraising me just to be an average Criminal no, I'm not an average criminal. I'm not an average bad guy. You know, I'm a little educated You know and and and I'm respectful I wasn't raised to be disrespectful But when you press I press like the police because I know how they press they if you press they press 10 times worse 10 times harder. So I press 10 times harder, you know because I'm used to My fights used to be With them over silly stuff, you know a traffic via a traffic violation And you want me to get out the car and lay down put my hands up in the air Spin around and dance and then lay down on the ground. You don't do white folks like this So you're not finna do me like this, you know, I'm going off a little off track. That's okay No, you're passionate about it. That's right. Well, you think about uh the side of town that you come from dr Dr. Dre is another one dr. Dre. I remember when uh The eve no, it wasn't the eve after dark Was it the eve after dark overall else he got to a central is that's where he started okay starting spots uh, they used to do A hell of a show up there every every every saturday, I believe The booty shaking contest I'm talking about back in the early 80s, man, you know They give a hundred dollars away back in the 80s somebody giving a hundred dollars away For a booty shaking contest you could have a room full of beautiful sisters in there shaking their booty in the ring You know on on on the dance floor and they didn't squared it off and poured it off And uh, man, he used to the doctor he used to wear, uh, like a white, uh Doctors out. Yeah, man. He was a dj. Yeah. Wow. That's uh, I think dj burn one got there from dr I just interviewed him in at level. Yeah, so it was amazing. Yeah, it's funny how these people the way they start It influenced people everywhere and we would ever knew that starting right there and I can't say that's where his actual start Started from but for me, that's where I first encounter The music that he dj's and the the magic that he does was on el sigando and central upstairs They know where it's at. Wow. So, um Yg yg You also have, uh You have you you you and him know each other? Definitely. We did music together. What uh, what was it like working with yg? He's a he's a hard worker. He's uh, he's a worker hauling actually he's he's He was pretty skilled for it putting my poetry with his music. Wow, you know, uh He mastered that he did that You did he did you write for him or no, no What was the poetry that you did on give me some street and i'm hood Ain't nobody ever gave me shit. So when you see me shining, it's because i'm steady grinding A state paper chasing separating the real from the fake the fake from the real i'm living to die And i'm dying to live nigga. That's why I got so many women I'm trying to go deep hit them ass chiefs bust them guts make her come You know the game ain't a motherfucking thing change Bitch, who do you love? Man, and you wrote that and you put that on that was on this uh, that's so big That's on who do you love? Oh, who do you love? That's the end of who do you have going if you watch the video The video you gotta watch the video. You gotta watch the video or buy that When did you know you had a talent in poetry like that? I knew that early on in my community in my neighborhood. You would do it on the streets Well, there was a gentleman that big old light-skinned a gentleman, uh He used to hang out by terry tarzan's house. I don't want to say that in my last interview But uh, terry tarzan is a g for my neighborhood, which would be my g, you know, and I grew up with his with his little brothers and uh We used to all hang out. He stayed across the street from from the junior high school his his uh His house was there and uh terry was a motherfucker His name is terry tarzan. That's just about geed an idea The the the streets was like a jungle to him. You know, he swung through the streets Uh and handling his business. He had the best low riders. He was the most creative crime criminal And and and I say that because back in them days if you wasn't You know, the money that they was offering wasn't Was it worth the time that it took to get it? Yeah, you know, when you see Of the privileged people moving so swiftly in life Do you really want to be On a nine to five for five dollars and 25 cents an hour every day 12 hours a day No, do the math on that So, you know, they were creative. They came up with other ways of making money other ways of enjoying life You know the low rider scene that's when it was created, you know And and he had him he had some of the most amazing low riders You know that you ever want to see, you know, he was one of the most amazing people that you ever want to see He was resource but he was nobody to be played with. No, he wasn't the one to be played with but you know, everybody You know Everybody talk about they want to meet Jesus until it's time to meet That's real. You know, everybody talk about they want to know god until it's time to have a talk with him Wow, so um, do you think that Where things are now, uh Black home businesses, um Things in the bumpton area where do you think that have we moved the needle at all? We've made some progress. We made some progress. Uh But There's there's still a lot of work to be done. There's still a lot of work to be done There's still some blockage up. There's there's still some some corrected corrupted Uh political criminals that Consistently conditioned the community to lose By making it look like it's winning, you know When you take all these aids and and and you become you become you become dependent upon them You cripple yourself because naturally people They they can strive to do better to grow if they have the push From the desire and the need but if you've been given some if i'm always giving you some food stamps I'm always giving you a few extra dollars. I'm always giving you this you can depend on me every month Some people just don't want nothing more Wow, man, you know But it's conditioning conditioning and then for the the ones that do You know, they they see they see they see the manipulation and the ones that do they like I want more out of life than that I want more than nine hundred dollars a month You know, I want more than what you're offering at that job And I know that you got what you got By breaking the law in the 1800s You know, I know that you got where you at you you living off a generation generational wealth But your generational wealth was obtained criminally Let me ask you this you bet you was around when when when you had the I interview doc A while back about two weeks ago now we can have loved his raspy voice But he he basically Talks about he he started off owning Defro And yeah, and and then it threw me off because I didn't know but I read on it And he owned 30% of it when it first was lunch. He was one of the original owners of defro Should night when you look at how he blazed through you hear people now Speak on his name But when he was around I didn't hear people speak on his name. Yeah Listen now I'm going somewhere. I'm just so virtual. So You was around during these times when it was real strong. Yeah And you to hear the way people are because of now the time we in versus back then and the voices that's being displayed What do you think about that? I mean It's apparent. It's obvious They know he's captured You know, um They probably Look at the fact that He's gonna be gone for a long time So let me get my legs in You know some things they probably wouldn't have said when he was out here, but he was created for a reason See when he was when he became who he became and started doing the things he did It was generally because people in the industry that had been here for years screwing people Now they're being challenged by a force That's uh equal A daring more daring than you expected you know, so He negotiated certain people's contracts I don't really remember. I think Mary J. Bly was one. Well, I'm not certain but I remember a few tales about a few people Where he negotiated their contracts and sometimes you never know what goes on Behind closed doors. So you can't never point your finger and say yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada I don't know But I do know that there's been people in the industry that will rob you You know, and if you have a resource That can force you to do right Make you by a phone call Because you know his reputation is I don't see nothing wrong with that when we talking about music Yeah, that's this and business when when biggie was killed in la Where were you at? I was in prison What'd you think when you heard about it? I mean you heard the in and you heard it in the music it was west coast east coast east coast west coast um You can't never say Who did what You know, if you wasn't there You know, I did a lot of research on it. I've looked at a lot of youtube stuff But they still having arrested anybody for that's right. So, you know When you don't arrest anybody for stuff that everybody knows about Who do you think's behind it? Wow Who do you think's behind it? When there's been a crime committed The government I wouldn't say the government the the the government of the city the government of the city What you went to prison? How long was you in prison? Seven and a half. I did seven and a half years seven and a half. Yeah What would you what you seem like a good guy? I am a good guy You seem like a good guy, you know, I said and drink coffee with you and hang out with you. You know what I'm saying? What happened you was just young I would gel for robbery kidnapping Oh, we got serious when I was young. How old was you when you first went into my 20s? Come on up. We got here in my 20s. This is really good. Why would you want to kidnap somebody? I didn't mean to I didn't intend to how do you not intend to kidnap? How It's in the middle of robbery I tell you to move I just kidnapped you and I didn't know that Oh, that's crazy line up over here damn it No, you know somebody make sure that you don't get shot. That's what it is. I want to make sure I don't have to hurt you Get what I tell you stand what I tell you and everything will be all right And it wasn't you know, it happened inside of business when it wasn't about the business It was about the drug dealers. I don't really mess with businesses. I was chasing the drug man You know the dope boys and they ran you into the business. It. No, they were in That's what I was saying. The business was either a front or A co-partner whatever it was, you know, but um, I'll tell you It was in one of the most prestigious cities in In the county of los angeles, which is city of torrents. Okay, and uh I remember I left and you were doing this by yourself. No, I had a crime. He never got touched I left my fingerprints inside the safe As well so and inside the facility so That's how they do that. I I didn't wear gloves. I forgot I'm 21 years old Yeah, but I wouldn't I wouldn't I wasn't expecting to go in there and get it myself, you know usually you you you uh You uh You you get these jobs to the people that's there open it and put it in the bag, you know but this is when I was a young man, you know and and uh You delegate that to somebody normally, you know, so So so I end up, you know in there and did what I do and got away and Back then I was so active. I probably did five more crimes How much did you get? Well, it wasn't like I said it was Wasn't about the money. Yeah, it was about the pounds back in the day. So you weren't even worried about no You were about about the about the work about the work that was there. Okay, and uh Well, we're here. We might as well take the money too, you know So when you get ready when you get caught and you end up catching the seven years, which where do you go to San Quentin? No, I went to uh I went to wasco and it's interesting that she said that was another fight with another deputy. Wow I went to the county I ended up in torrents court. They started off at 35 years. Wow. Yeah I had a robbery prior to that that they that they they They they called it a joint suspension. That's where it's like you went to prison, but you didn't It's equivalent to going to prison on paperwork. So if you get into another incident or you you you you you commit another crime We can hold you we can we can use this This this this against you which is going to give you more time which bumped it all the way up to 35 years You know and so I fought for uh a year and some change to get it from 35 all the way down to 10 years And then I fought it for a year and some change. So they gave me a year and change credit Wow Yeah, so the and back then it was halftime. So that went so back because I always made a promise to myself If they ever give me more than five years. I'm escaping to sugar shaft I'm escaping to sugar shaft So when you when you with what what you're doing, let me share with you I'll go ahead. So they have transporting deputies, right? So And I'm minding my own business. I'm on this They call it the gray goose. I'm on my way to wasco state penitentiary. I believe it was Yeah, wasco state penitentiary and uh, I'm handcuffed on a four-man chain To three assholes, you know, I don't know. I'm never met them Don't haven't even had one word to say to him because they're so childish, you know um There's a I mean, she's a sister. I don't give a damn what she wears. She's wearing a l.a. County sheriff uniform and she's driving the bus and No, she's was she driving the bus? No, she she might have been driving the bus very, you know Put together nice beautiful and all the way they just being insulting and disrespectful and and and you know That's their way of flirting, right? Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Okay, pardon me. This ain't gonna happen We on the wrong side of the cage for you to even entertain meeting this woman But when you talk about my boy sugar shaft, that's not always true You know, I'll tell you about that. That's all right Sometimes it go the other way. Huh? Sometimes it go the other way depends on your macking skills. So uh Yeah, so You know, they talked about her her parts and everything just totally disrespectful She had this big old cornfield white boy, you know, who was the sheriff? That's her partner and he's in the seat the whole time. He's looking in this mirror And he could see pretty sure you can see who's doing all the talking But because four-man chain to see a secede here in a seat here to a two-man seat So I'm on the chain But I haven't said a word from the time we left the county jail Till we arrived at this state prison and I learned something that day and you're gonna learn the two when I tell it to you uh When they uh pooled in there, uh, he came to the back. He said, okay He put his hand between on on these two Chairs on he said everybody Get up and exit the bus except for these four right here And he undid the chain Uh, so that the rest of the people can go And then he grabbed I'm on the I'm the last man on the chain He grabbed each one pulled him snatched him to him after the bus was cleared and everybody was off And over to the side and he said was that you talking about my what you got to say about my partner now, man You know talking real rough. I'm a whoop. Yo, you know, and and um, each one of them. Oh, no, it wasn't me Lord, no, it wasn't me each one of them all the way through. No, no, no then turn into months You know, and I promise you man I didn't say one word from the time we got there From the time we left to the time we got there So you don't have no reason if you've been looking in that damn window mirror You you should be able to identify who back there talking So when he gets to me and he posed the same question, he said I'm a who I said check this out I said not one word from the time we left the county jail to right now And you ain't gonna do a motherfucking thing to me and he snatched me and he grabbed me And he was strong So I wrapped my legs around his legs. His intentions was to throw me down the county the the the bus And if anybody's ever been on a A prison a county jail bus, you know, the the the steps are steep But with the with the body weight I had I wrapped my arms You know, I wrapped a whole hell on to him tight And he didn't took one cuff off because he you got to get off the cuff to get out of here So I grabbed on to him and we both fell down the stairs together because I'd wrap my legs around his legs We fall down the stairs. We hit the ground as soon as we hit the ground The prison guards grabbed him and they grabbed me They Four or five of them grabbed him and ran him into one corner grabbed me and ran me into another corner Now these are brothers. These are southern brothers Big league big lee And he had a wife that worked there at the time. I forgot her name, but they worked They were you know, uh item they were married and they were but big lee was a good six Probably one of the tallest guys you could ever imagine and big old big old voice and big old guy And he snatched him and ran him to the corner he ran they ran me to the corner And they took me in And they told him we don't do that here We don't do that here and he told him when his paperwork was messed up He got to go back to the county jail And I said, well, you can whip my ass here You ain't got to take me all the way back to the county jail to beat me up But you know at the end of the day, I ended up going back and he ended up, uh Confessing that I don't really believe you was one of the people that was talking But I'ma fuck your time up for the little situation you You know that that was created even though it's by you you caused it I just participated in protecting myself, you know, and uh, I ended up having you know what they did was If I would have started my time then I would have hurryed I would have went through process got a job and started my day for day Him sending taking me back to the county jail slows me up Now I have to get put back on the transfer transfer list to go back to the prison That takes months and months and the longer it takes it It puts off your day for day. Wow. You get day for day when you start working. That's your pay. Mm-hmm day for day Every day you work you get a day Wow, did you uh Your were you locked up when took it Williams, uh was now you was out by the end when they when they, uh Put him to death. Yeah, I was out. Yeah, I was out. What did you think about that? Um Like anything else. I'm sure they've had other people that they could have put Given the death penalty to I don't know You know, I've heard of some of the things But I haven't did my own research So I don't really know what really transpired But I believe he was a he was incarcerated in a time when the police Was more racist Than Didn't fair It was more about racism back then. I believe I believe the police were more racist back then I would agree. You know time just kind of and the system itself was more racist I believe because it's people that have done a whole lot more than what he done Back then now and they've gotten a life. Wow, you know, I'm gonna wrap it up. Well, um When you think about the people that move out here and it seems as if almost it's a Claws of blanket on one where the the celebrities they get with different groups or whatever Is that a real thing where you know the gangs and all of them they they kind of look out for these different celebrities What do you mean in terms of checking in? Yeah, we talked about checking in earlier. That's a checking form, too Oh, you mean when they come in there showing yeah, no when they come and they just basically Doing music here. They mean, I know nobody but they're trying to figure it out You know, it is it better to know somebody when you come in. I mean, it's better to know anybody Know somebody because somebody when you're going to a City that's rough, but they don't this don't apply to our brother white white constituency. No, it don't not at all That's crazy. Yeah, you know, well, you know, it's a reason for everything You know, the white folks got they sit together, right? And not to say the blacks not to say the blacks don't but our people's a little bit more greedy. They want to they want to become Uh, uh, everything they ain't never been. I'm gonna be your manager. Well, how you gonna manage me? You on gr Thank you Man, I can be the whole day if they try to make up with you Man, you hit me on grimace 400 man. That's g r i m m i s 400 Instagram, facebook, henry russell, you know, you can check me out, man We got some music that just dropped. You're so distro kid sugar shaft the gladiator Damn me. My boy is up in houston texas right now and it's going wildfires You can find it on on on apple. You can get it off your apple phone. It's called look at what the world found to You Look at what the world found to and you spell sugar shaft. Let me say it right sh uga Shaft okay, and and you can go to any any digital Store and man, you can even I'll even send you a sample that we had we was passing out when we first started this I mean we was actually supposed to be doing that doing something at the superbowl but he's got a Very important engagement uh coming up I believe monday or tuesday couldn't take the chance, but uh man check it out I'm talking about if you if you make all the support and going about it, man You're gonna love the album. I'm not talking about no bullshit. You're gonna love the album. I promise you you're gonna throw it That's gonna be what you're gonna be banging. That's what i'm banging right now. I mean my dad grimace, man Thank you so much for coming on the show, man. We love you, brother. Thank y'all boss talk one on one What a boss is talking with a boss is talking man boss is where these hats do That's why I like it so much, man. That was hard, man It's a boss hat, man Man, and we out, man