 Yeah, yeah, we're cavemen living in a very advanced. I was watch society. I watched a show yesterday. Sometimes I like to cave person Sometimes I like to play politically correct. Yeah Cave people this guy goes around the world looking at prisons. He served like 15 years and he went to a prison in Papa New Guinea, so it shows on Netflix. I think it's called like worlds. Yeah world's most dangerous prisons So I'm fascinated by cultures in different places. Yeah So this guy's in Papua New Guinea and he's interviewing this one guy in there for things on death death row And he's like what are you in here for is like I killed witch It's like which and So like for me, I'm I was fascinated by I'm like So I'm here. I Have the power. I have more power in the hands of my hand the King of England did a hundred years Oh easily and then I'm more than NASA did in 69 and at the exact same time I have a guy halfway across the world still believe me in witches. Oh, dude Good. Yes Hey, let's So I applied for a huge grant. Yeah, I have a I had a not-for-profit called the critical thinking project That's what took me to Guatemala to teach teachers to teach critical thinking after a five decades long civil war And I applied to this huge MacArthur grant hundred million To and we might want to think about re-applying in the next two years for this my idea was to create Mobile critical thinking units in countries where superstition is still strong to be able to go out into the rural areas like in Africa Albinism how albinos are killed killed. Yeah, and then their their fingers and stuff are used as her talisman is You know sacred kind of religious Voodoo Voodoo black magic. Yeah, and so I wanted to put together these task forces kind of critical thinking mobile units That would go into these you know the hardest hit places for superstition and there's this group in India That's doing it extremely well This shaman goes into a village and does all this stuff and the people gather round and they can't believe it And then he takes his wig off. He takes his makeup off does this and then he shows them exactly how he did it Haha, it says none of this was magic. None of this was what you thought it was. I'm not a magician I'm not a shaman. I don't believe this stuff. Okay, so there is an episode on Star Trek called who watches the watchers Do you remember this so they're paying attention to a pre-warp civilization Going through a period of their history where they're Slowly moving away from superstition and starting where they have the cloaked device Observatory they're looking they're observing this this town in real time in real time. It's a gigantic Truman show and something happens and Their their cover is blown and now they got to solve this problem Right because all of a sudden these people now are aware are aware and they believe in this new God the God of Picard Mmm-hmm He calls him the Picard the Picard. I saw the Picard. I saw you healed the dead I saw the Picard and so now they've they're in this conundrum this situation where they've literally put the The civilization backwards, right? They were on their way out so much for the Prime Directive now and so much for the primary So Picard decides There's only one way I need to I need to fix his damage and takes one of them the one that was now religious and brings him on board and Shows him and says look we used to be like you Mm-hmm. This is this is the part that just like it's so messed up because we used to be like you You know we've evolved look you there's nothing special. Look, I'm I'm just like you you know I have blood I have respiratory system and After this whole like ten minutes of the show of Picard trying to teach this woman That you know they will eventually evolve to be Stargate like She she turns him says you are very wise the Picard Please I pray to you and she'd like she completely missed the boat after all of this After him trying to explain this whole she completely missed the boat and it goes back to what we were saying I don't know half an hour ago. Even when you give some people the evidence Are they willing? Well, we know for a fact in science that data does not convince people well And then this is it. How do you what do you do we need to do what so Buddha does there's Buddhism 101 here You cannot come with you cannot come as an outsider to do it So you mentioned the shaman in India. He came as an insider as an accepted person. Mm-hmm You need to approach it that way Interesting you have to have somebody they have rapport respect for that they can relate to that's right If you just show up as like let's say I'm a gringo. I show up Well, look at look at Ebola right they're blaming the people who will save their lives as the ones who are bringing it see So I mean you have to do a Houdini on them something like an inception. You have to meet them on their own turn correct Yeah, you have to oh for sure. It's also like basic human psychology is like it's like egoism. Mm-hmm It's like well, who are you to tell me otherwise? Mm-hmm. You're not one of us. You're some outsider, right? And the in the psychological field this is called nudge, right? This is nudging people I don't know if you guys have been to Amsterdam. I have or not. Yeah, the airport Did you use the urinals at all cuz I think so actually they paint little flies in the urinal exactly where they want guys to pee So it reduces the amount of splash back Obama brought him on for his administration to help yeah nudge Yeah, interesting. We just need to hit the target. No target. We're all over the place Yeah, I think we can do that with traffic on the 400 series highways Traffic and I've met with the Ministry of Transportation. Yeah Nash John Nash beautiful mind. Okay. Yeah, so he figured it's game theory. Yeah Yeah, so he figured out how pigeons when you run through them They don't all hit each other sure and fall down, right? There's an algorithmic principle behind that So I took his ideas And I developed them into three basic algorithmic principles That if all people abided by in rush hour traffic, everybody would get to where they want to go quicker Always two car lengths in front of you at any given time. Yeah maintain the same speed of the person in front of you No matter what and stay in your lane Unless it's your time to get off you got to just stay in your lane in your lane Yeah, if everybody abided by that, it's like pouring rice through a funnel, right? You do it nice and fairly casually it all gets through the funnel you dump it You get this huge backup of what I call undulating the human behavior. No one's gonna follow those rules, but we're Canadian We're very good, right at cooperating. Yeah, we're automated cars self-driving cars. That's all an automated Distance true all the way through And you can see you can start to see it and truckers already know it right you can tell truckers move from the trucking lane into the center lane and If you stay with the trucks that lane tends to do better, but as soon as it starts to do better What happens is yeah, right the undulating idiots get in and want to take up that space that allowed it to Move more freely than the ones that were bumper to bumper. I predict in our lifetime. It'll be illegal to drive as a human Hmm in some places. I don't know global in some places. I think there's gonna be a lot of people who are just I Don't know that I mean it even listen Guns I'm like, I don't know when's the last time you check be many people fucking die of car accidents We suck at driving. Yeah, it's getting worse. Yeah year with All of my all of my patients all of my clients for psychotherapy with my one Separate client or motor vehicle accident. Holy shit. Wow all of them and it's like the same story. It's like Why didn't they stop like why didn't they stop and it's like I can't answer that I can't answer that huh? But the reason why I'm doing psychotherapy in the trenches right now is to see if some of my ideas and cognitive therapy are applicable and actually do have Beneficial value to these people the relational system X when you try to explain to people the reason why accidents occur Yeah, it's like if they've seen hope fiction. They can better understand causal influences of well Buddy got up that morning and whatever was going on in his world for whatever reason He was looking at his phone when he shouldn't have been and he plowed Right into the back end of you and now you feel like this and In our legal systems those people never see each other again. There's never closure right here So bizarre there's no healing they hate the other person in many cases and it's like well, I can understand that Well, where is he now? He's driving around He's fine. His insurance is taking care of everything and I'm not I had a great career. I was doing this I was doing that and now I can't and it's like Not the easiest thing to try to to get somebody to realize why This occurred to them when it did but when when I use a relational systemic model of information Some of them are and the majority of them are very Adaptable to to be able to then see themselves the day of that accident in connection with all of those non-linear factors That were going on at that specific time where if they had started out ten seconds later that day Probably wouldn't have been in that so there's no fingers to point in anybody. There really isn't it's just as huge Deterministic causal chain of events of which you are unfortunate enough to be at a locus point Where there was a convergence of non-linear factors that led to your situation. I always bring up this book I recommend people to read is Victor Frankl's man search for meaning. Hmm. It's like listen I've heard about this. Oh, it's fat one of the best books everyone should read it It's like I can't control what Chris does. Mm-hmm. I can't control that. I got hit in a car accident It just sheer chance. Yeah, you can be More aware blaze Pascal once said, you know chance favors the prepared mind. Yes, so You know, I'm a basketball player and what is that but a series of non-linear events with ten guys. Yes, and Then you have to anticipate Not where everybody is but where everybody is about to be Yeah, so I know when I see this guy heading to the hoop this way, but I'm looking that way I know I'm passing the ball right past the ear of the guy who's on me right in the buddy's hands Because you play it enough, right? It's patterns patterns of non-linearity Yeah, and if you can do that while you're driving you might be a you know that much more capable of trying to Anticipate somebody else's screw up. Yes and get away from that person Yeah, I tell my children when they're crossing the street to always look at the face of the people Driving don't look at the car Look at their faces because that's when you can tell that somebody's paying attention Mm-hmm. I mean if they make eye contact with you, they know that you're there But if they're like off on their own going back to what Chris was saying with his patience and You know, there's there's the fact that what happened to you and Yes, it's a horrible thing to happen I think the more you spend in the past thinking about it's detrimental to your psyche But going back to Victor Frankl's book man's man search for meaning the thing that we can't control right now is our response to exactly That's the only and we know what we can control some of us can better than others most people react but the thing is we can at least be Consciously aware that we have an ability to manipulate and Be better be able to understand Because it's not it's not actually the response It's you understanding what you're feeling mm-hmm and digesting and assimilating that feeling mm-hmm and working with it And then I try to teach them how I know you use the term manipulate and I used to use it as well And then I felt maybe it has too much of a negative connotation. Yeah, I just call it navigate Yeah, it's better word but to say now we need to navigate you through those systems Because the pattern is almost always the same for motor vehicle accident victim They're in somatic pain, right? They've got a neck injury of back injury, whatever That pain disrupts their sleep So now they're not sleeping property properly and now that exacerbates the pain that they're in and that gets them depressed Yes, and now they're suffering from PTSD because of the accident that they're in they're having in vehicle Anxiety having great difficulty now something on my mom. Is that right? And it you know a little bit of a tangent, but the Insurance world is just like motor vehicle accidents a bitch to navigate like you pay into this system And then something bad actually does happen to you in this case It did happen to my mom and you're told you can't get better because if you get better They're not going to give you a nickel sure like you may be in pain, but you need to keep the pain You can't you can't you can't try to fix yourself Yeah, it's and of course the insurance company on the other side is trying to delay it So something that could easily be dealt with yeah, oh, yeah within a week and say okay This person actually has a problem. We need we need to just give her enough money for the next six months Yep, standard a physio send her to psych. Yeah, they would rather spend two to three years and Spend that money on lawyer fees to not give that person their just cause and so some people will either try to fix them themselves and In my mom's case, she just ended up Forgoing whatever them out because she's just she didn't want to wait. Yeah, right? She wanted to get on with her life, but she she went through that right? She couldn't sleep She had back aches back aches. She couldn't think clearly. Oh, there's cognitive decline decision-making Paramount she didn't understand. She's like I can't think properly I've got bikers breaking down and they're like why am I crying? Yeah, I said Once your brain goes through a concussion the way in which people Get better varies and one of the most common things we see with Head injuries is They call it empathic emotional outbursts and It confuses them and it scares them right because it's like I was a rock I said, well you got to understand your brain has been bruised Essentially, it's gone banged around inside your skull and there's been damage and every person's concussion They're gonna experience it a little bit different, right? So there's post concussion syndrome and TBI or traumatic brain injury and What we can do is we can start to chronicle Triggers of what makes you go into these outbursts and then we can look for patterns to try to anticipate When you're gonna be in that, you know sequence of events again So that you're better prepared to be able to deal with it when it occurs So it's it's amazing seeing the effects that car accidents have on people from fender benders To people who have lost limb guys who have been in comas for weeks, you know airlifted and on desk doorstep and The different ways in which they respond and come out of it and react and it's just incredible seeing the that whole human Emotional spectrum. Well, I think we'll wrap it up over here