 All right, welcome into another edition here of the fan duel hurry up I'm Joe Ranieri joined by Jim Sonnis of number fire and no better time than the present to start talking a little NFL division winners and is there any value on the board? Well, we'll certainly cover it with Jim here figure it out And why don't we start Jim with what the very top and it's a division that a lot of people have had some questions about It but some people think it's a two-team division But what do you think when you're looking at the NFC East for a division winner? Yeah, I think that I'm kind of in the camp too where it is a two-team division given the concerns that we should have about Washington and New York I think it really is between Philadelphia and Dallas and both these teams right now are plus 125 that fandals sportsbook So honestly, you could just go both if you think it is a two-team division Between those two I do have a slight preference for the Dallas Cowboys at plus 125 to win the NFC East They are losing both Byron Jones and Travis Frederick and those are pretty big losses But the Eagles also their own losses They're gonna be moving to Andre Dillard at left tackle instead of Jason Peters And they haven't really addressed the wide receiver position as much as I hope that they would so a slight preference for me With the Dallas Cowboys returning a lot of the pieces that led them to have number fire Second schedule adjusted ranked offense in the entire league last year Dak Prescott Amar Cooper both back We should see their their tackles at least back and fully healthy once again this year So it was disappointing year last year for Dallas, but and they do lose some key pieces But I still think the pieces that they have returning are good enough to make them a good value plus 125 But like I said, if you think that Philadelphia is that team, I think they're on the same par here But the overall the overriding theme for me the NFC East is I think it's really down to Dallas and Philly I am okay with either side, but I've just a slight preference for the Cowboys here interesting enough You know the the Philadelphia Eagles the only team in that division with the same coach coaching staff A lot of new faces gonna be on the sideline there in the NFC East So it'll be interesting to see how it all pans out and not so much of course in the NFC north where I think Everyone is already circled one team kind of penciled them in that being the Green Bay Packers What are your thoughts on the end the NFC north? Yeah, I kind of went into this all season expecting to be off of Green Bay because last year They overperformed the record pretty much the entire year their record was a lot better than the advanced numbers around them more And what that says is that they'll likely regress in the upcoming year So I go it went into this all season expecting to be down on Green Bay relative to consensus But I think this number at Fandall's sportsbook is pretty appropriate They're plus 165 to win the NFC north and it's interesting because this division I think has taken a hit because the Vikings did lose Stefan Diggs traded him to the Buffalo Bills They do have two first-round picks now, but it's hard to replace to find digs the rookie And they also lost ever some Griffin on defense We have concerns around Chicago's offense and then Detroit is coached by Matt Matt Patricia Hard to be really optimistic about that for sure So I kind of think the Green Bay Packers Despite the fact that they are due for some record regression for next year I still think they check-in is it as a bit of a value of plus 165 We saw Aaron Rodgers play some good football at times last year even with a really poor supporting cast around him He does lose Brian Belaga, but that defense brings back most of its key players And they could add to the weapons that Rodgers has to work with via the draft So I think it's still a time to buy Green Bay I wasn't expecting that to be the case, but with this number being where it's at a plus 165 I think that Green Bay actually does wind up checking in as a good value bet to win the NFC north Yeah, expect Green Bay to do a lot in the draft to address those those skill position Spots there certainly on the outside got to give Rodgers some weapons to be able to take advantage of and Speaking of weapons to take advantage of he hasn't had them Well pretty much ever when you take a look at the NFC south The Tampa Bay box and Tom Brady. He's got a few weapons out there to throw to how do you think that division shapes up? Yeah, it's a really interesting division because you have the Saints obviously at the top end a loaded roster across the board Atlanta should have some better injury luck this year than they had last year and Carolina is I think better than people thought They would be as well because it does seem like they're gonna be trying in 2020 So not an easy division, but I think we're still underrating the bucks with Tom Brady in town here And a lot of the reason that I think we're underrating them is because we don't appreciate how good their defense was last year They ranked fourth and schedule adjusted overall defense based on number of fires metrics They did just resign and Dominic and suit slowly back there to join Jason Pierre Paul and Shaq Barrett So the catalysts of that good defensive ranking last year will be back in town for 2020 as well on top of having a really athletic linebacking course So the the key pieces that led that defense to be good last year are back in place now You upgraded Tom Brady a quarterback now James was not a bad quarterback by any means But going to Tom Brady from James is a is an upgrade and it should improve the outlook here for Tampa Bay But they're still plus 175 and I think that number is a little bit longer than where you would like it to be The Saints again, like I said, they're a very good team But now they have less depth that quarterback with Teddy Bridgewater being gone It's something happens to do breeze once again They could be in some trouble for sure Elena's defense still a big question mark as is Carolinas So I think this is a good time to buy into Tampa Bay still I don't think this number will be as long as plus 175 Once we get to week one. So now's the time to dive in I think there is still some good value on the box Even though people have been pretty aggressive with them in betting markets since Tom Brady signed on yeah at 432 I'm sorry at 43 years old. Are you still getting an awful lot of love? That's for sure. How about the NFC West? Of course the 49ers that was was all about the 49ers last year in this division But Russell Wilson certainly not going anywhere the Rams Arizona's improved this you know all of a sudden now is a very very Interesting and competitive division. What are your thoughts on the NFC West this year? Yeah, I think competitive is the right word because all four teams are like viable given the Improvements the cardinals have made so far this all season But I think we're kind of forgetting about the Los Angeles Rams They're plus 350 right now in Fandall sportsbook And I think that's a pretty good number and helps account for the issues that this team does have And I think the big issue of them is going to be their defense because they have lost a lot of key players Defensively, but they help make up for that a bit by having Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey on the same team For a full year coming up this year They were kind of forgetting how good those two players are they can make up for a lot of holes all by themselves Then you look at the offense obviously there were some pretty major struggles at times last year for the Rams offense But they reshuffled their offensive line prior to week 11 and from week 11 on Jared golf average point 2 oh Expected points per drop back that was up from point oh eight prior that's a pretty big deviation from Jared golf And he was a top 10 passer over those final couple of weeks when they had their offensive line reconfigured and kind of shifted their scheme to account for the personnel they had on the offensive line as well that offense Despite losing Todd Gurley the key pieces are still intact that offensive line will be healthier Then it was last year because they had a lot of guys go down due to injury and now have a Competition at several key spots which they did not have last year also getting Andrew Whitworth back at left tackle That's a good thing and as of right now all three of their key wide receivers are back as well So I think this Rams offense is going to be good once again in 2020 The question is whether their defense can be good enough to support them in a divisional run And I think that's a very legitimate question But when you're getting in a plus 350 given that they were just in the Super Bowl two years ago I kind of think that accounts for their imperfection So I do want to buy low on the Rams and I think this is the best route for doing so betting them to win the NFC West at plus 350 Rams made a lot of win now moves over the last couple of years So let's see if it can all pan out for him should be a fun division to watch for sure And we'll take a look at a couple of AFC divisions and one thing that I can tell you I've not heard about And I think this is a good thing in the AFC North I haven't heard a damn thing from Baker Mayfield or the Cleveland Browns Jim That's got to be well. That's got to be a good sign. Isn't it in the AFC North? Yeah, I think the good thing is the Browns are making improvements But they're not it's still getting like major headlines for it And I think that's good from a betting perspective because last year when they they made the Odell Beckham and Olivier Vernon trade It got a lot of headlines and they made them a tough team to bet because a public was so high in them But given what happened last year We're not seeing that right now The other reason that we're seeing the Browns be a little bit lower on the totem pole is that we had the Ravens as well The Ravens deserve to be the favorites in this division because they're gonna be really good once again next year But the Browns secretly making gains. They added Jack Conklin and Austin Hooper on offense They're both expensive But the Browns still have a lot of cap room to negotiate with and they could add a left tackle In the draft as well That'd be a good offensive line once again if they could address that one position on defense They get Miles Garrett back their defense hit the tank after Garrett was suspended last year That's a big re addition Olivier Vernon missed a lot of time due to injury Denzel Ward greedy Williams Those guys were hurt last year too So I'd expect this defense to be pretty solid given that they have all those guys Coming back for next year in addition to Odell Beckham and Jarvis Landry So depth is still an issue with the Browns And that's a big part of the reason why they did not play well last years because when guys got hurt They didn't have pieces to step up And I think that's going to be a concern for the Browns for a couple years now until they could build this thing back up via the draft But if you look at the starters on this team The starters represent a team that is much better than would be indicated by a mark of plus 460 to win the division Again, the Ravens need to be the favorites in this division because they are very good They've made some pretty major gains this all season too So they should be the favorites, but at plus 460 I think the Browns are a little bit undervalued and I'm looking to to buy in here Given the like you said the hype has not been quite as big this off season as it was last off season New coach too stafansky see what he brings to the table so far. You got to like what you see there from the cleveland browns in that division All right, and finally, let's take a look at the afce To let's face it. Tom Brady is gone. The buffalo bills are on the rise. Miami dolphins on the rise People are sticking a fork, of course in the new england patriots. What say you jim about the afc east Yeah, I think it's a pretty wide open division which presents us some good opportunities from a betting perspective to take some longer shots and Bet on a team that may not seem super obvious And they're not super obvious for a reason with with adam gaze being their head coach But I think that's the jets at plus 750 because the patriots right now do not have a quarterback You know, they have brian hoyer hoyer and jared sit him But that's not really a competitive quarterback room If you're trying to win a division and they don't a lot of cap space to change that right now picking 23rd in the draft That's not a place we're going to get a win now guy like joe burrow or to a tongue of i loa So I don't expect them to turn around that all important position anytime soon the bills In theory have a quarterback But I think there's a lot of question marks about him too because josh alan last year ranked 27th in expected points per Dropback so although we talked him up quite a bit the advanced numbers around josh alan Were still not that great last year so I think that that's a little bit of concern if you're trying to bet the bills But the jets have some parallels to what the bills did last year specifically around the offensive line because they have not Didn't make a big splash play they haven't brought in any big name free agents along the offensive line But they brought in competition at pretty much every position They didn't add connor McGovern That's a pretty big upgrade for them at center Which is one of their biggest weaknesses on the entire roster last year And they brought in other guys who can't compete for a spot potentially with the 11th overall pick in the draft as well You kind of throw stuff at a wall see what sticks there along the offensive line They had jamal adams back next year cj moseley played only two games in his first year at the jets He'll be fully healthy as well So I don't think the jets are a great a great option if you're picking things straight up to win the a at sea east but They're plus 750 in a division that seems to be kind of wide open right now because i'm not as sold on the bills As some others seem to be so I think it's a good division take some long shots Maybe you're more enthused about the mammy dolphins, uh, which I think is interesting as well given the byron jones edition And some other moves they have made but i'm gonna side of the jets here a plus 750 given the Slight upgrades they've made along the offensive line the competition they can brew along that Along that ever important position mark and I think that that bodes well for them So we'll see what happens But I think it makes sense in the aces to take a longer shot and I prefer the jets there a plus 750 Love the way you're going there I think the draft for all of those teams in the a fc east going to prove to be vital On how they go from there. So there you got it You got some uh division value moving forward here in the nfl want to thank jim sonnis of number fire I'm jo renari and that does it for us. It's been another edition here of the fan duel hurry up Be well. Good luck with your day