 And we're live. I'm Anthony Dream Johnson, founder of 21 Studios, here with episode 51 of the Red Mag Group. This episode's on the Red Pill lens, how it applies to your life in total. We are broadcasting live out of 21 Studios Global Command in Orlando, Florida. We have an epic panel today, including myself, obviously. And from my left to right, we have Socrates from the 21 convention, Manning of Smart, Drew Bae from bae.com, alumni speaker of the convention, the one and only Elliot Hulse from Strength Camp, world famous for being Elliot Hulse. We've gotten to know him past a couple of days and it has been absolutely fucking awesome. To my right, we have Richard Cooper from Hot Shapirs and Cars, alumni speaker of the 21 convention. And of course, the Godfather of the Manisphere with an upcoming keynote address, Rolla Tamasi, author of the Ration Amel book series. And you can find him at the rationamel.com. Gentlemen, thanks for joining me here in Orlando, Florida. Thanks for having us. Good to be here. Good to be here. So let's start off with a quick round table, two minute recap. Sock, what you got going on, man? Dude, we are just finalizing a production on a children's storybook series. So it's essentially filling a gap for strong masculine role figures, fathers, and having a positive influence and starting with children and fathers before they get broken. You know, when we talk about improving men's lives, usually you find the red pill after you've been broken. And what we're trying to do is provide the segue for men who may have been grossly under fathered or not have the skill sets or something imprint on as a role model appropriately to be appropriate fathers and to make that connection with their children and to develop those life skills and transfer that kind of knowledge forward and provide that tool and ability to do so. So we're looking at kind of finalizing that this coming week and then getting into post-production work. Yeah, yeah. Drew? I got some books on physique transformation and physical performance coming out in the next couple of months and getting something special prepared for the next 21 convention event in May. Yeah, the upcoming patriarchs event. Got something planned for all the fathers there. Hell yeah. Nice. Elliot, this is your third time at Redman Group, second or third? I think it's the second. Yeah, welcome back. Thank you, pleasure to be here. Yeah, man. What do you, obviously, you've been hanging out a couple of days here in Orlando, but what do you have going on with your work right now? My work? Well, two of the biggest projects are strength camp and grounding camp. Okay. And strength camp is where we transform boys into men, get people to be the strongest version of themselves, through lifting. I was a professional straw man. I played college football. So initiating people through the iron has been a passion of mine for many, many years. And then grounding camp is really where we're ministering to the souls of men. We've got the body, we've got the soul here. And grounding camp has evolved into a sort of initiation process whereby we get out of our own way by unstifling through active meditation and bio energetics. So a lot of breathing and movement and embodiment, chest pounding and shouting and shit like that too. And these are live events you host throughout Florida. Throughout the US, actually we were just in London, London and Amsterdam. And I did some there. Last time I did an event in London, we had 500 Brits show up and we were shouting on a Sunday morning. I said, let's wake up the queen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was a good time. Badass. Where's the next one at too? It's June in New York. Okay. Yeah, it's an incredible location where we can just be men away from society. How do people get tickets? Uh, groundingcamp.com, but they're not on sale yet, so. Okay. I know the feeling, yeah. Yeah. We got tickets launching 31st for the 21 convention patriarch edition. Pretty excited about that. Excited to be there. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, there we go. Yeah, it's the cat outside the bag now. So we had a big surprise. Elliot signed on last night for the 21 convention patriarch edition. Huge addition to the event. Very excited to have you, man. Yeah, very excited. It's like a dream come true for me. Honestly. Yeah. I was thinking deeply about fatherhood all year. It's just been a theme in my mind and on my heart. Yeah. And to see what you guys are doing and to have this invitation. Like I said, it's literally my dreams coming true. So thank you. Hell yeah, man. And big shout out to Hunter Drew for inspiring the event. It was him asking me about doing an event for him some day that really brought that on. And then finding you guys, the fathers. Everyone here will be speaking at it, except me. I might use some small. We'll see. We're working on that. I'm working on that. You got 20 years. Four fathers by fathers patriarch edition. Just like the red mag group patriarchs. Yep. So, Rich, let's move on, yeah. It's been a busy week. So I came down here on Wednesday. I left the Toronto area in a snowstorm and we had to sit on the runway for two hours to get de-iced. And here I've been in paradise. Yeah. And it's warm. It's warm here. We were shooting guns at a tactical training ramp ranch. Actually, Trevor's here. We have an audience tonight. This is the first time we've had a audience. Live studio. Live studio audience. Anyway, so you invited us down to do some tactical training on this large property. It was like 25, how many acres was it? 25? 15. 50 acres. Big ass property. And we shoot Navy SEALD issued rifles. Like these $7, $8,000 sniper rifles with big scopes on them. And you can shoot a target, a small target at range, 800 yards accurately, just by listening to what these guys tell you to do. So that was pretty incredible. I saw you hit a target at 600 yards. Yeah. It was fucking epic. Yeah, two back to back. And that was, you know, that was hard. It was actually hard to get the rifle zeroed improperly. And then today we did some filming in a Lamborghini. So if you guys are following us on social media, on Instagram and stuff like that, or Twitter, where all those live streaming periscope from the car. Yes, we got some very interesting footage coming out for you guys. Some of it, you know, is gonna be tied into the upcoming convention. Some of it's tied into masculine companies that are supporting the creation of content for men, like what we do here. So yeah, it certainly helps us set up studios like this and fly people down and collaborate together so we can put together great content that helps you guys level up in life. So it's been a fun week. I'm looking forward to the next couple of days. We're hanging out for a few more days. We're gonna get a shit ton more done. And that's about it. Then I'm back to the Cold White North. Rilla. You're really in for it. I was looking at the weather report before I came out here and it was like 30 below we're here. Yeah, it's cold. Yeah, it's cold. And it was pretty cold when I left. Just came out here on Tuesday. Tuesday, yeah, Tuesday. And I have a, anybody that doesn't know this, I have a house here in Florida as well. So I'm just doing some things, squaring things away at my new place and then working with you guys. This whole, this has been kind of like a working vacation. I think we did a little bit of fishing on. Oh, the fishing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's not forget that part. Pulled a big ass fish out of the water. Yeah, and there's some pictures of this guy with his first. That was a fight. I gotta tell you like, being a kid pulling those little like bait fish out of the water and then pulling out something that weighed like a 45 pound plate and it's fighting. Yeah, trying to get away from you. I was telling Anthony, I want to do like sport fishing, but deep sea. Like I want to get like a sail fish or a big shark. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to do some charges. You got to do it in the springtime, which maybe we'll be doing pretty soon. Maybe we'll even offer it to the VIPs as an upgraded convention. That might be fun. So if you guys liked that, say something in the comments or put it below just so we know. Yeah, so pretty much we've just been doing some promotional stuff here. Kind of also signing some contracts and some other things and making the red man group a little bit more of a formal organization, a formal company, if you will. Yeah, we intend to do this for a while. Where yeah, this is, we have signed our names on the dotted line and I'm sure that eventually we'll kind of, you know, leak out all of the information, but you know, we've got some things planned and this is one of them. Sat and I sat in a Lamborghini today. And oh, my neck. But so other than that, just working on book four and I'm trying to get to a point where I can just focus on nothing else but the book. And one of my goals for this trip was to see if I could find some way to sort of isolate myself so I can write for like weeks, you know, weeks at a time here in Florida. So you've had a few, yeah, fuck yeah, man. You've had a few big posts come out lately too, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did one on the Gillette commercial, but I did that, that was a little bit more, I fleshed that out a little bit more beyond that. The most recent post I have is called Gender War and it has been, no, actually something we'll probably talk about today. I see the Gillette commercial, I see the APA ruling, the American Psychological Association, ruling that traditional masculinity is toxic masculinity. It's not just, I mean, you saw Dr. Smith, Dr. Shawn Smith's video about that. He risks his livelihood, he risks his license if he goes against that and that is a set of guidelines that is entirely motivated by ideology. And so I was writing against stuff like that but as you guys all know, back on the 21 convention, I did a State of the Manusphere address and I'm looking forward to that coming out soon. January 29th. 29th, okay, so now you all have a date. But in that, and then also on our December 29th show, we made some predictions for the new year and if you wanna go back and look at some of those predictions, you can, but I knew they were gonna come true but I didn't think they were gonna come true in the first two weeks of January. Going forward, I really feel like we are stepping into what I call a gender war. I've got a hashtag called gender war right now. And so whenever I see something that I think relates to that, I'll go and throw that out on Twitter. But I see the APA, I see the Gillette commercial, I see what PETA did, I don't know if you guys saw the PETA commercial as well. And then you've got Serena Williams, that's supposed to be giving some sort of speech about women power on the Super Bowl. And I knew the Super Bowl commercials were going to be very gender motivated but they're already trying to precede it. They're already trying to say, hey, make sure you watch this because this is the year, really 2019 through 2020 where we're going to be getting into a, we're laying the groundwork I should say for the social conditions that will lead up to the 2020 election. And I think maybe that's what you wanted to talk about. That's one of the things we'll get in today, probably some politics, because the red pill, so today's topic is the red pill applied to other areas of your life. And we were talking about you and I a few days ago, we're talking about our relationships with our parents and how we viewed that growing up. Today, we were talking about politics and the red pill and how that all ties in. So yeah, updates are done. Yeah, I'll give a final note here. So I'm 29th, we're dropping the state of Manusphere from Rola Tomasi, like you mentioned, same day as Trump's State of Union, that's going on. January 31st, tickets drop for the first time ever to the 2021 convention patriarch edition. Everyone here is a speaker at the event. Myself will be like ceremonial at it. Are we gonna also be a content speaker though? Elliot is probably the final speaker we're gonna tag on at the event. I think we have 14 now, I'm in 15. Got to double check. That's looking huge. I was expecting maybe 150, 200 guys at it. They might be quite a bit more than that now, 300, 400 guys. I got to put a cap on that, Simon of Dodd and Lyon a couple of days here for the event space and all that. Yeah, so if you want those tickets, you're gonna have to watch out for the early bird price on the 31st. That's right, that's right. I'll make a mention as well, that Tactical Soap is now a sponsor of 21 Studios, the Redman Group, and Entrepreneurs and Cars. So if you're watching this before you get further into the show, check out the description or the video, buy some soap, support a company that does not punch men in the dick. This is a company that supports men. We all know the founder personally, Man Rich and Rolo, and Sock Andrew Bay. He was at the event this past year. This guy's awesome. He supports men, he supports what we're doing. He supports the creation of more content like this. Videos, events, interviews, all these things. Buy Tactical Soap, support the men, support the content, support yourself, support the country you live in by buying soap. Simple as that. Plus it's got pheromones. So I do like the topic that it's, the red pill lens applied to the totality of your life. That's kind of what I was thinking about it. It's like the red pill does obviously affect how you interact with women, affects dating, marriage, children, parenting, all that. Why don't we do this? Why don't we go across the panel and just spend a couple minutes talking about how we've unplugged from the sexual dynamics of what the red pill was kind of solving. Maybe for a lot of us because of trauma. I mean, it was for me anyway. And maybe whatever you've seen differently now that you're red-pilled. Let's start with Sock. Yeah. Interesting you talk about that. I know that probably personally we probably discuss it probably not as openly on a form like this. I can sit down and say we talk about unplugging from the blue pill and seeing the matrix and everything else and becoming aware of the red pill and all that what that constitutes. I can sit down and say my personal journey has led and pretty much changed my life from being not necessarily celibate, but childless, that I would sit down and say I would not be able to put out a genetic lineage. And at 48 I ended up having my own child and completely taken on that role in mantle and it personally is probably the high watermark of my life, bar anything I've ever done in my life. And that means professionally, personally, activity-wise, everything else. And it's gone beyond that. Well, let me take a quick step back further. And primarily I have two people here that's sitting on this panel. I have a tremendous debt of gratitude. First is Rowe's work that extends over past a decade. That he originally, when I was reading some of his work on a blog and on forums, he was a voice in the internet. He wasn't a real dude. It was just something there. You just don't quite believe it. And it's progressed to the point as all this has become mainstream. He and I are actually able to meet. He's been at my house, I've been able to meet his wife and have that personal real-world face-meet interaction. That is very much a reflection of how the red pill has transformed over time. In addition to that, I'm changing my professional work because of it. I look at what I do as an architect and essentially I'm building hollow shells for people to fill. What do you do when that, the people filling your buildings and creations and giving light to society and culture and civilization are diseased and hollowed and decrepit and rotting from within? That it doesn't matter what the architecture is and not only that, culture will not create wondrous architecture when it's in that vein. You look at it in these collapse societies, they did not do monumental work that lasts and tests the time. Personally, I'm taking a big step back. I'm letting that go because it was interesting when you meet people whose live you touched, transformed, Rolo talked about saving a guy from suicide. The first time somebody told me, I still taste the taste of metal in my mouth and guys like you help get me past that. And then I go into work and I'm dealing with client issues. It just doesn't compare. I can't tell you that the best grand opening of any facility I've ever done and it's been $20, $30 million worth of work that it doesn't compare to see people who have quality lives, that have quality relationships who are working on their marriages and succeeding at them and seeing wonderful children come out of that compared to anybody of work that's gonna last beyond my life. And so you sit down and say that, that sheer joy and fulfillment, that's changed my life and that's what Red Pill's done for me personally. Dan, we'll put, Drew, how's the Red Pill effect of your life? Oh man, well a few years ago, actually over a period of time, I had become less and less my own mental point of origin. And at the time, I didn't recognize it as such. It wasn't until after the 2017 convention where things really started to come together and realizing the direction things were going in and how unhappy I was with marriage and just feeling like I'm not accomplishing anything. I'm not going anywhere. Not happy with it. Making myself, my own mental point of origin and deciding I need to focus on my mission and make everything else secondary to that has made a tremendous difference. Marriage improved. I'm much happier. Wife is much happier. I can tell it's talking to you, man. I've known you since 2009. You're like. And well, you know, I can't remember clearly but I think we might have been talking at one point about making plans to do something. And my first thought was, you know, well, I need to find out if we've got anything going on this weekend. And looking back on that, like, holy crap, what the fuck was I thinking? My only thought at that moment should have been, well, do I want to do this? Okay, yeah, then we will. And if anything else is going on, well, they can change it and plan around it. It has been just a 180 degree change. Even not just the marriage, but also understanding this and being able to teach my son this, I think of all the dumb shit that I did when I was a teenager, a lot of it because of oneitis. Oneitis has probably caused me more misery as a teenager and caused me to do more dumb shit for women. And I'm not, I know I'm not the only one. It's probably the amount of dumb shit men have done for women because of onitis is probably almost unimaginable. And how old is that now, Luke? He's 13, he's not gonna go through that because I'm talking to him about this stuff regularly. Actually, he was present for Rich's presentation. And I tell him over and over, you get, remember this stuff, especially you don't pursue women, you pursue excellence and they will pursue you. Hopefully I'm not butchering the quote too much. It's a general idea, yeah. But also, my work is not teaching this stuff to people. My work is helping people get themselves in shape. But most of the men that come to me for that are doing it because they want to be more successful with women. Unfortunately, a lot of them, they come to me after they've already gone through divorce and well, I'm back on the market and I look like shit and I need to get back to where I was. And so not only am I able to help them with that, but knowing this stuff, I'm able to help them avoid a lot of the mistakes that a lot of guys are making that don't have this information. So I feel like I'm providing a lot more value to the people that I'm coaching than what they would get from just the exercise stuff. And I want to give out personal details about any of my clients and their girlfriends and wives and other shit like that. But telling them to read Rollo's books, watch Entrepreneurs and Cars, I have shared your video on not dating single mothers. More men than I can imagine. Every time I share it, a bunch of single mother skanks get mad at me and send me a bunch of hate mail and I keep thinking, you know what, fuck you. I've just saved some guy from putting up with your bullshit, but they thank me and I get the horror stories and the DMs and the PMs about the recent single mother that they dated and all the crap that they went through. So I'm thrilled at how my own life has improved, but also that I'm able to pass all this stuff on and it's making a huge difference in a lot of other guys' lives. So it's been awesome. And having known you for 10 years now, man, you definitely are, I've said this clarity from you and more assertiveness and aggressiveness and it's good seeing you post about it all the time and hearing you talk. Just, I told Eric inside out. Yeah. You know, 2017 lit a fire under my ass that was desperately needed. 2018 poured jet fuel on it. Oh yeah, there we go. So we're not talking about money and stuff. My income's doubled since the 2018 because of the reinforcement of making myself my mission and being more sort of being more aggressive with things like the marketing and just throwing this dating stuff out in there. I've avoided it before because it's fitness stuff, but now I'm thinking, what the fuck? I'm gonna say whatever the hell I want. The reaction, for example, I posted something today and I said, ladies, you know, if your husbands have gotten lazy and comfortable and they're not the stud that you married and they're not turning you on anymore, I can help. And no, not like that, but you've gotta buy them my books. And if they apply the information in them, then within a few months, you're gonna be changing your panties every time you see them with a shirt off. And before, I wouldn't have posted something like that because it'd be like, wow, people are gonna get upset. I don't fucking care. Anybody that would get upset is probably not somebody that I wanna work with anyways. Surprisingly, every time I post something like this, it's the women that are sending me the messages and saying how much they like the difference in the approach and yes, my husband needs to do this. So guys, your fucking wives notice when you get fat and lazy and they're not happy with it and you're not getting them wet anymore. You gotta fucking take care of yourselves and get in shape. But well, just like I wouldn't have said this like two years ago, you know, I don't fucking care. If you do, you're not somebody I wanna work with anyways. But it's been fucking phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal. Set up G. Elliot, how's the red pill effect of your life since finding it? You found McDuff first and you got a red pill, right? Yeah, I did. And the one thing that comes to mind, the overall umbrella feeling is civil disobedience and a simple act of non-compliance. And what I mean by that is that to be awoken to how we're manipulated causes people to do things like migtail. Just okay, I'm being manipulated, so I'm gonna step back. Migtail being an example of how they're being manipulated by women, but what I've discovered is that it's a paradigm that oppresses in this particular way, not just women, but a feminized society, a system designed to the agenda, you guys call it. There's the feminist primary agenda, is that how you say it? Feminism, yeah. Yeah, female primary social order. Right, and so when I started looking deeper into that, I started to see all the other tendrils that kinda came out from that and wrapped itself around us unconsciously. And a lot of that had to do with consumption and over-consumption. And I think the area where we are blinded at how much we over-consume and how it feeds into the feminine primary society. You don't mean it's buying, you mean like over-consuming information or all that shit, right? All of it, yeah. Consumption is, it's very feminine. The school system set us up as boys who are very active and extroverted to be very passive and consumptive, like a vagina. You know what a vagina plays in? The more you're a consumer, the more you're a vagina, the more you're a woman. So spending, consuming information, eating, addictions, consuming, consuming. You just think every time that you're taking in, you're being like a woman, you're being like a baby, you're doing what they want you to do. It's not masculine at all. Civil disobedience is masculine. Boundaries is masculine. Being conservative is masculine. And so as a fitness coach, I began thinking about, I'm always thinking about improving my health. But then as a rebel, which I've always been even before, I discovered Blue Pill. I love- You're the right place, man, huh? You're in the right place. Yeah, I love, yes, of course. I love disobeying and I like shaking shit up. And I think that if we began adopting a lifestyle of saying no, that will make a big difference. And so I've decided to begin that with fasting. And this is something that people have used throughout forever, not just as a means for health and development and fat loss and spirituality, but as a symbol of non-compliance, you know, like Gandhi stopped eating. They all went astray. Our system is set up such that it succeeds because we consume. If everybody would just stop eating, as crazy as that sounds, as mind-blowing or nuts as that sounds, to you right now, because you're so conditioned to consume, to suck in, to eat, to be fat, to be sick, to be lazy, to be dependent. Reminds me a lot of debt too. Debt, all of it. But I see it as the simplest act of non-compliance that will break the system and add to your health and longevity is to skip a meal. So fasting, I'm finding that fasting has been, for many years for me, it has been mind-expanding and also invigorating for my body. But now as a result of red pill, I see it as an act of non-compliance that is a strike at the system that oppresses us. So stop buying their foods, stop eating their shit, stop consuming so much. You're doing pretty hardcore stuff. You're going two, three days at a time. Yeah, extended fasting. I mean, I was a professional strongman, so at my biggest, I was 250 pounds. I knew what it's like to be a consumer. I've got four children. I don't have a minimalist life. But at this point, I've decided that my health, but also my values in life and the stance that I take are far more important than having huge muscles or being big. I'd rather be small and powerful like a fucking spark or dynamite than a big, lazy, fat fuck that can... Pretty sure your personality's still huge. Yeah, let me stop right there. But yeah, stop eating. That's where I'm at right now. Badass. Rich? You go, man. You go. Yes. Let's hear from the commander-in-chief at 21 Studios. So I've been thinking about this, yeah. You mentioned, I think Roland mentioned more at the show went like parents and stuff. So I'll say that one of the ways the repulse affected me that I haven't talked about much publicly is my brothers and sisters. I have one brother and two sisters. So mostly it'd be the sisters. My brother, I understand a little bit more because I'm a man too. He's a young man himself. He's 21. So I have a little sister. He's 27, older one. He lives here with the 21 Studios of me. He's 35. And I've got to know them a whole life. I grew up with them. Our parents still married, grew up together in a big house. But since finding the rep pill, way more than Pickup ever taught me. Pickup taught me how to pick up chicks. It did not teach me about women. It taught me a little bit, but not much. But the rep pill taught me about women. So seeing my sister now at 35, still not married, still single, that kind of shit. I can understand how she's dating now. I can understand her behaviors going out there to parties. We go down town, we meet people. She knows friends of mine. I know her friends. Sometimes a little better than others. Even the younger one too, she's 27. She has a boyfriend now. He's older. He's like late 30s I think. And so I'm watching how they date, watching how they interact, listening to the things they say. And it's enlightening. Like I understand them better. And they're my blood. We have the same exact parents, far as I know. So that's been the past couple of years since finding the rep pill. It's been really neat. And without it, I would not understand them and be as, not that I'm super close to them, but we're pretty close, I think, for being adults now. Especially my older sister and I live here in the same house. So that's been, that was a surprise. I found the red pill through one of our attendees, Nichols Cloud, who watched a speech I gave on a crazy I-sex wife. And I was at that time focused on pickup, getting back into game, and personality disorders, like we're literally seeing on the shelf here. So that was my focus then, but finding the red pill, that was a really eye-opening experience itself. Finding role as work in particular. But I did not anticipate that it would improve my relationships and understanding of my own family. My mother too, my cousins. I got a cousin too, who's now going through divorce. And from a distance, I can spot exactly what's going on. It's the exact same shit that's happening top to bottom. Let me read about all the time. Frivolous divorce, all that bullshit. So without that, I'd be in the dark. I'd be ignorant. And I'm not. I understand a lot better now with a high degree to certainty when I'm watching, when I'm seeing. Another one too is that a young cousin, like a second cousin, Mark a couple months ago killed himself. At 20 years old. And without the knowledge of the red pill and the manuscript overall, but especially the red pill, he was 20 and he opt himself, college football player, star football player. He opt himself over a girl. Had I not had the red pill and the understanding that I've developed through that knowledge and through that study, I would be a big risk to my family. I would not understand. It would be this mystery is like, oh, you know, it should happen. So people die. None killed themselves more than women. And that's it. No, it's more than that. I can look at that situation and understand the blue pill bullshit he was fed and accepted. And then sure enough, a chick came along, oneitis, all that, a combination of factors for sure. But it was the blue pill stuff. I think it set him off. That is what pushed him over the edge to that point and he's gone now. And as bad as that is, it's fucking horrible. I would much rather be enlightened and understand that than just be ignorant and just, you know, look at it as a tragic event. So it's more than that. It's something I can learn from. It's horrifying as it is. So I'd say it's improved my family relationships in a myriad of ways, whether it's sisters, cousins, or even my little cousin who killed himself. It's made my life a lot better. I always think that you never go wrong facing reality. You never go wrong finding the truth, no matter how dark or positive that is. So there we go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you everybody that's shared those experiences. Those are solid. I think for me, one of the things that led me to the red pill, part of that trauma wasn't just the single mommy breakup episode, but it was also what happened for about three years from 2014 to 2015, 16, where I had to deal a lot with lobbyists and political critics on bills in parliament because of a business that gets people out of credit card debt at a discounted rate. And I saw the difference in the values and the views of the political parties. And it was confusing because you hear all these people autistically screeching about how we need to care about people more and love them more and make sure that they've got the skills and tools available to become the better version of themselves. And yet there's political parties that don't support values that accomplish that. There's ideologies that don't support the accomplishment of those things that men seek. And the Rational Mail, of course, was the book that woke me up that made me understand the way that men and women interact and why things happen sort of thing. And it's a deep rabbit hole and you keep going down and I still learn things every day, of course, but the political aspect of it for me was big. It was like, okay, well, recently I've been thinking about it a lot and people ask me from time to time about views on politics. And you'll even see today, like if you go to Instagram, there's a picture of me, Anthony and Elliot standing by the Lambeau. And the comments were, the MAGA hat makes you look like a dummy and who's the Mexican at the end of the picture? I think they called Elliot racist. Yeah, yeah. And because I think you had a MAGA hat on too, right? But like me as a Canadian, like I look at that hat and I just think, well, it's red and it says make a country great again. So what's wrong with that? That seems like a pretty good thing. And, you know, it's time kind of passed. Like when you apply the red pill to the political landscape, I saw really how bad of a prime minister, Justin Trudeau is. And every time I've watched him in an interview since I've been red-pilled because he's our prime minister currently, it's the same thing over and over again. It's let's make men less so women can be, you know, become more. And how does that serve society? You know, how does that serve the tribal nature of human beings? And I don't believe that it does. It's sure as heck not red-pilled. So that's one of the things that I wanted to kind of like go down tonight, maybe, you know, talk a little bit as well about is how do you, how do you identify what political ideology or system best aligns with the red pill? Because I think that's an interesting question. I'll leave it at that. You know, when you and I were discussing tonight's topic, I think it was like two days ago, we were just kind of kicking back and brainstorming and stuff. And I think I was telling you some stories about how my mom is and how my dad is. And my dad was a full-on like hardcore atheist. Okay, I mean, very, very analytical. He was like Mr. Spock, okay? Now, not in a bad way. He wasn't, he's not like one of these guys like, you know, who goes out there and preaches it or anything like that. It's not like, he's not a Sam, he certainly wouldn't be a Sam Harris. He certainly wouldn't be anybody like that. But, you know, he just simply had no belief. And then he said, well, what's your mom's like? And I said, well, my mom is kind of a lovable dits, right? She was a born again Christian. And then when we're talking about this, like how the hell did those two people come together? Right? Well, then I started like going over this and I've done this before. I kind of worked this over in my head and a few times, yeah, I'm amazed that I was even the result of these two, this woman and this man coming together to have not just me, but my brother as well. And so when I look at it, you got to figure out, you know, what the time, you know, what the social setting was, I guess, during like say the 50s or 60s when they were, when they were meeting and dating and all that. And then putting the things that I know about intersexual dynamics into that context or into that framework. Now, the reason I'm saying that is because we have to do that today as well. We can't, I think we have kind of this mixed, why not mix it? We have this kind of like tunnel vision, I think, when it comes to, well, we're in 2019 and we understand whatever it was that Rollo wrote about in the rational male book, right? And so we take that and we go, gosh, you know, it's so consciousness expanding, right? But we have to see that you have to understand that that book could only be produced at this time. If I was to take that, what I wrote there and I try to go through like a traditional publishing house, they would laugh at me as I get the fuck out of here. We're not gonna deal with that. You know, because that's misogynist stuff, anything that's anti-feminist, misogynist. But that book exists now because of all the stuff that's happened up to now. And so I can take these dynamics that are universal dynamics. I was just looking in the chat here and some guys are saying, you know, it's like the Bible. I'm like, well, it's not the Bible, but it is a living text, which is like the Bible, where you keep coming back to it to learn a different lesson about something else. In this case, I was trying to apply it to my mom and my dad's relationship. I'm like, how do these two people, these dis-separate people come together and create a kid or a much less two? And I thought about this. My dad was this very stable, very old books kind of guy. If you've read my book, you know what I'm talking about. He's the old social contract guy. Like you go to work, you put in an honest hour, your honest days paid, you get an honest paycheck at the end of the day and you get a pension and then you go and you retire in sunny Florida and you play golf until you die. That's the sort of the white American Anglo-Saxon dream for guys that has been around for a very long time. After fishing? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, fishing was a lot of fun. I see, I guess you could do that too, but that doesn't exist anymore. But the dynamics that get people together still exist. So when I talk about hypergamy or I talk about just some of the fundamentals in the books, that applies all the way back to ancient Greece, even before that to the 1950s, when my 60s, when my parents got together, the 70s when we're all having sex after going dancing at Studio 54 or something like that. You know what I mean? The mechanics stay the same, but the context changes out. And so when I go back and I look at that and I look at the stories that were created during those times between like a man and a woman, I see the fundamental truths of that, just like you're saying with your family, with your brothers and stuff, you see that happening because you're aware now, it's like when we talk about the red pill lens, you can't unsee what you're seeing. Like when guys want to sort of plug themselves back into the matrix, when they want to sort of ignore things and they don't want it, it's too much for them to accept. And guys want to talk about, oh, it's the black pill, right? There is no black pill. There's only the abyss that you can't cross from going from the blue pill into the red pill. And once, because once you're there, once you have become red pill aware, and once you understand intersexual dynamics, then from there, you can apply that to other things. So we can talk about politics, we can talk about religion, we can talk about race, we can talk about how does those mechanics, those functional mechanics I was just talking about, how do those apply to different contexts? So now it's not just about a linear context of time, but it's into different aspects of our lives, like we were just talking about the Gillette ad. Why is that so triggering to guys who are red pill? Well, it's because we see this and we see the bullshit behind it. And the first thing I do is I go on and look and to see who was the director of it. Well, imagine that, it's a radical feminist who was hired by Gillette, who hired a agency called Gray. Gray was just let go by the NFL. If I can interject on the Gillette thing, I think what's interesting is that guys in the red pill, we see the Gillette ad and we can both get angry at it and break it down like you're doing and understand what went into it might exist. And that's the most frustrating part of that. Well, the others, I'm not threatened by it. I've been accused by being threatened. I can be angry without being threatened. The frustration that I have about the Gillette commercial is like me wanting to say, look, this is bullshit. And just look at all the events that led up to this. And then I see that in a bigger picture. Let me throw some jet fuel on your argument here. So you guys in the red pill and especially guys at your level, you're armed. The average guy right now, that Gillette thing is taken off, they're pissed off, but they don't have the weapons intellectually to break it down and analyze it. We do. Even the right average guy in the red pill understands that shit. And that's the thing, the difference of taking the red pill and that's like one way now it's applied outside of like immediate, you know, how do I get laid or something? They can see this shitty Gillette ad and understand why it's fucked up and why it's bad in their life and everyone around them. So I always have to deal with different sides of this because I'm all about the nuts and bolts, okay? I'm all about, how does the car go together? How was the mechanics work? The proxology. Yeah, the proxology of it. As I think it was Ryan or Carl said, I'm writing the Chilton manual for intersexual dynamics, right? So I look at that, but then I also can't ignore that there are organized forces that are actively fighting against us even being in this room together to even discuss this. And then this was part of my speech. I'm gonna give away too much of my speech but just coming together in this in one room with the 200 guys so we can talk about things like this, that is instantly misogyny. It's instantly hate speech. It's just this side of a crime so far. But when I see that, what frustrates me about that is that I see this as like, you know, I remember in, was it Rowdy Rowdy Piper with the glasses in them or they live? Yeah, they live and you can see like all the stuff and you go take them off and even put them back on. And it's like, I can't take the glasses off, you know? I can't unsee, I can't see. And I think that when guys talk about it, I'm just finished up here. When I see guys talk about the black pill, I think what it is is they want to take the glasses off but they can't take the glasses off. And so all they're seeing is red pill truths all around them. And I do the same thing sometimes. Like when I see stuff like that, I'm beginning to see a much larger picture right now this is why I wrote the gender war post because I see the country sort of building up into what I wrote about in 2016. I wrote a post called The First Female President and just how dedicated everyone was to getting Hillary as the first female president. They didn't care what was Hillary, they just want the first female president and the same thing's happening right now. You've got what four different, five different women on the Democratic side who have all announced that they're gonna run for president within the first two weeks of January of 2019. This is where the election cycle starts right here. And this is what I mean by that, not a single man that I know of has declared that on the Democratic side that he's gonna run against Trump because you can't. Because they want that female. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Beto. There's one, yeah. Beto, okay, okay, Beto, Beto male. So let's talk about the politics of Red Pill because we've got a couple of MAGA hats in here. I'm interested as a Canadian in the States right now and it's like the shit show that I get to watch from my backyard porch. It's like I sit in my backyard porch and I got my barbecue done and I'm having a drink and I'm looking out over the yard and over the fence. There's like some crazy shit going on. Not that it's a lot less crazy in Canada but you guys have two political parties, right? Oh, we have two major ones. Two major ones would get like 90% of the votes, right? So Democrat, Republican, Democrats more liberal, more left-leaning, more socialist values, Republicans more conservative values, right? I think most voters though are independent, not mistaken. Yeah, okay. But they end of swinging either party coming to elections. Yeah, to influence the direction of the country, right? So my question would be like what political value system, and we have libertarian, we have green stuff, there's all kinds of ideologies out there. So what political party would you say is best aligned with the intent of the red pill? I'll just open this up and say that I don't consider myself a Republican so much or a conservative or any of that stuff or a Democrat, hell no. Never been a Democrat proudly, never been a Democrat Democrat. But I will say I call myself a Ron Paul Republican and a solid, very, very strong Trump supporter. So I was one of the Ron Paul guys in 2009 in 2012 and when Trump came around I eventually swung to Trump. I have supported libertarians and stuff at some point at various points, but Ron Paul Republican and Trump supporter hardcore. And that's different I think than being a standard bearer Republican by a long shot, especially the old guard, the old establishment. Also, I like the libertarian party but they never get their shit together for decades upon decades, that sucks. But yeah, that's my political philosophy and the background is objectivism. Do you think that the libertarian side has better ideas than the Republican side? Or worse ideas? I think the Republican party is changing. Better moral line with the red pill? Like I'm trying to keep it connected. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Values in a tent. I think the Republican party right now is changing to be a lot better aligned with like the red pill and true ideas before they were to shit. I mean, five or six years ago I wouldn't give them, in 2012 I couldn't give a shit less about Mitt Romney. That was the most boring, useless candidate I've ever seen in my life. And Obama was, you know, no matter. They were the same candidate, shit. But I would say that the red pill to me is truth. That's what the focus is, fundamentally. And the truth of being a human being, especially a man, particularly a man, is freedom. So libertarianism is very focused on freedom but with that party comes a lot of problems. The Republicans now, Trump, I think is pushing them slowly. It's a beginning towards freedom. So the party got away from that for a long time and that was shit. A long time ago they were very focused on freedom. Conservatism used to mean freedom or it was loosely in that direction. Then they got completely off track over the past 80 years or something. So I would say the fundamental, the fundamental political principle is individual freedom. And that to me is very much in line with the red pill. And that's why now being, the red pill being a political, I think that was useful and it still is, but the political environment has gotten so fucking intense that you have to choose a side. And there's only one side at this point, the right-ish that even cares about freedom. The left has thrown it out the window. The problem with the left is that they, and it's not really a right-left continuum. And it's not even really a two-dimensional plane, but it's probably the best way to think of it is imagine if you got two axes. One, you've got economic freedom and one you've got financial freedom. And instead of being on its side, it's a diamond. You got zero economic freedom, zero financial freedom, and then zero financial to 100% financial, zero economic, or sorry, or economic, zero personal freedom to 100 personal freedom. So you've got left and right, more economic freedom, more, or sorry, more personal freedom and more financial or economic freedom. But as you get towards the top, you have more of both overall. As you get towards the bottom, you have less. At the very bottom would be tyranny, authoritarianism. At the very top would be pure libertarianism. The Democrats aren't all the way to the left and the Republicans aren't all the way to the right because none of them are for absolute zero economic freedom and none of them are for absolute zero personal freedom. They're somewhere in the middle or worse and we're in the middle towards the right and towards the left. And you've got a little clump of voters that were right around there with a bunch of people that were in between that would swing either way. Problem is the Democrats, instead of being kind of middle left, used to be more liberal left, more overall freedom left, but they're moving not further left, but further down towards authoritarianism. The left are becoming the fascists. They're accusing the right of them. Other people of being, yeah. And I've never really voted left or right. I've always thought, okay, if you've got a politician, where does he fall in this grid? I don't care how far to the left or right he is. I care how far up or down he is. More or less freedom overall, or relative to the other candidates, will he move the average up or will he move the average down? So you guys are saying basically the same thing, the closer to freedom, the closer to the red pill. And Trump left Trump used to be a Democrat, I think of the 90s, for example, and a lot of people accused him during the campaign of being a liberal, and there's probably some truth to that. But like Drew's saying, he's pushing the country towards freedom, or at minimum, in my opinion, setting it up for more and more freedom over time. So he's busting his shit off to make that happen. People, for example, that saw some of our social posts today and said things like, you should take off that hat, you look stupid or it makes you look stupid, are basically implying because you support a stronger America and Donald Trump's slogan, you're dumb, and you should be supporting their party leader. Perception is projection. Yeah, yeah, so can you, and these are people, by the way, that follow my regular content. I'm talking about a lot of red pill shit, so they obviously subscribe to what I have conversations about. So I guess another question I have is, can you support democratic values here in the US and be red-pilled? No. I think I was going out the window pretty fast. Yeah. Well, what do you mean by that when you say democratic values? Well, what are those values? What are the values? I think, yeah. The standard democratic platform that I see anyway is the one that Hillary brought to the table, which was just more of what the left keeps autistically screeching about all the time, right? So these guys that are saying, well, Trump's an idiot, well, you really only got two choices. You're either a Republican or you're a Democrat. So that tells me that you're more of a lefty, you like the lefty values, but you claim to be red-pilled. So how do you be red-pilled but support a party's value system that is destructive to masculinity, that supports retarded Gillette commercials about men being toxic, that supports the APAs ruling on all traditional masculinity being toxic? The left is responsible for most of the problems that the families are having right now. 100%. The unintended consequences of increased social welfare are that women now, again, hypergamy and action probably, see that they can have the government as their baby daddy. Well, the government then becomes the head of the household and the man is then replaced. And that's not red-pilled. In black families, other minority families, the instance of a single parent, usually just a mother in a household has gone up consistently since social welfare programs. Well, you can even set that aside and like the general stat throughout, I think it's North America, if not it's just the states, but it's something like 43% of boys are raised without a biological father in place. It's insane. And that couldn't happen. It couldn't, well, not, it would very rarely happen if we didn't have these social welfare programs in place because- Replace the father with the state. Women before they would have to replace the father with another man. And before government welfare programs which are terribly inefficient and there's no incentive for people to do better because, if you get private charity, you can say, okay, well, Sue's husband was killed in an accident at work. Well, she's got these kids. Let's all help her out. Versus, well, Bob got fired from his job for drinking again and not showing up. Fuck this guy. It's been the third time this happened. So- Hasn't the government's size per capita exploded like over the last 100 years? Oh sorry. You know, like the amount of government workers and employees and representatives and senators and- It's ridiculous. Our government- Let's probably get Elliot in here. Tiny size. Well, I have a question. Yeah, that was a great segue. What do you guys think about not needing government? I don't need government. They don't do anything. Because what we're talking about are two men- All they do is milk my paycheck. They take half my shit. It's like an ex-wife. He's trying to take your tax rate and you be that more effective. Like I'm trying to say, non-compliance is our greatest gift. If everybody stops paying their taxes immediately, the IRS could not possibly get everyone for it. They couldn't. Look at what John McAfee is doing. Right now, literally, if every single person in the United States that pays taxes- Pick a day and set a few. It's not taxing anymore. Fuck the problem is that you don't have that control as an employee because your taxes are taken from the employer- Work for yourself. You're not going to be paid legally through the system to rob you before the money even hits your bank account. That's how much of a criminal the government is. They rob your ass before the money that you work for even hits your bank account. We do need government, but we need so much less of it than we have. We need government for a few basic things. Ultimately, the only purpose of government is to have an objective way to defend individual rights, including your property rights and your right to life, to provide for the national defense and then to enforce contracts because without that, businesses couldn't operate. Anything else is a complete waste of money. It's not constitutional. And it should be left to local, city, and state level. And the reason for that is anything else if it's left to the cities and states because we're not just one big country. We are a union of states. People have the option to move from one city to the next or one state to the next. So states and cities have to compete for citizens and taxes. They have to be efficient and they have to provide value for what they offer, but on the federal level. Yeah, we were talking about city-states before when we were driving out to the gun range. I think we talked about it too. We could cut it back to a tiny sliver of what it is though and we'd all be better for it. We didn't know it's speaker Greg Swan. Sok and I know him pretty well. He was the first man I heard say that the smallest polity, the smallest political entity is the family. Family, yeah. Smallest form of government is two people. Smallest form of government is two people. Two people. Two people. Two people in a family. It's a relationship. And what comes to mind there is what's the topic of the show we had the day here and of course upcoming event, patriarchy. Yeah, if you vote for big government, you're basically voting to be replaced. You're voting to be out-ofled. Yeah, you're voting to be out-ofled by a big-ass entity that just wants to keep growing and consuming and becoming a larger borg and it's like the more people that it can have are reliant on its monthly subsidies and food stamps and programs, the greater its voting base will be for its policies and growth and enlargement of the government in the future, right? You know who votes for big government? Volunteerism? We know. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And what do you think about volunteers? People that need big governments, which is a lot of people, because they don't want to take ownership for their own lives a lot of the time. Yeah, volunteerism, I'm familiar with it. I don't think the rest of the panel is, something I looked at a while ago, I think Ron Paul is a big fan of it. I had a theory once that if you could like legally mandate volunteerism, if that makes any sense, which sounds ridiculous, right? So I think one of the fundamental problems, I was talking about taxes and what a fucking rip-off they are. You know, half of it's taken out of your paycheck if you have an employer before you even touch it. You don't even have the ability to not pay. That's how crazy it is now, right? I think one of the fundamental problems with government right now in taxation, specifically as a funding method, right? Government is 100% taxpayer funded, is that it's violently enforced. It is not like, in America, when you fight your taxes, the federal government, you have an option, like a check mark, to pay for a presidential campaign. You can donate like four bucks or something, like whatever little amount it is. If people chose where all of it went, most of the stuff we don't need would be gone. Well, here's the issue too, is that if you don't pay, it's criminal. You will literally have to pay at a gunpoint to go to jail. IRS has like, they have like 4,000 AR-15s or something. Like they have like thousands and thousands of guns. Yeah, it's amazing because they have to serve and a whole set of something, right? It's like, why are you, I'm for government, like a very, very little amount. Why does the IRS need 1,000 AR-15s? They have more than that, and they have like millions of AR-15s. People wouldn't pay them otherwise. Yeah. Do they actually like force people to pay taxes at gunpoint? Like you suggested earlier? They'll raise you. I've actually known some people that have been in situations where the government, the IRS pursued them for a while for not paying taxes. And they ignored summons, they ignored court orders and all these things, saying basically, you know what? I really don't have to pay you any of this. And their arguments are something against improper ratification of the amendment that allowed for the IRS to do this for the income tax. And these people outright resisted and ended up in armed standoff. I remember getting emails from somebody at a house where they were basically in an armed standoff. Of course, the stuff doesn't make the news. They want people to know that. Yeah, and I told them, I said, don't fucking email me in the middle of this stuff. I said, don't fucking send this to me right now. So most of them want a very limited amount of government but if you don't pay it, you won't go to jail for not paying your taxes. You're gonna go to jail. That's not freedom, man. That's right. That's not freedom. I mean, like you're a slave to the system when they steal the money for taxes before it even hits your bank account. It's a very advanced form of slavery. It is. We have a Lamborghini literally in the driveway. Do we feel like slaves? No. But if we don't pay our taxes in a long enough time span, you have law enforcement show up at your house with guns. If you defend yourself, they'll put a bullet right between your fucking eyes. They will kill you. Wow. And a big part of the problem is that a lot of the people aren't paying taxes. They're still benefiting from the taxes. And for some reason, they're still being given a say in who gets elected. If you're not paying in, you should not have a say at all in who the house is being spent. Well, voting right here used to exist based on property ownership, didn't it? Right, that's the only way. Like you could cast a vote if you had done something with your life and obtained property. Then your voice mattered. Until then, you were a nobody and you just needed to toe the line. If we went back to that, it would solve two things. You should either have to own land in the country to be able to vote in it, or have served honorably in the military if you haven't done one of those two things, you should have zero say in who gets elected. If we were to limit it to just those people, the vast majority of problems that we have with our government right now would go away. And right now, a bunch of people watching are probably furious about me saying this. That's because you are the people that are benefiting from stealing our money, a big part of our paycheck. Yeah, the big problem is that the vast majority of the people that make the decisions are the people that are milking the people that are paying the taxes that don't get to benefit from the decisions that they make. Let me pause this and bump it to Rolo. Yeah. Rolo, someone put in the chat that like, if you're red-pilled, you're probably not a socialist. That's not 100%. So my question is, obviously there are dudes and I know some, I know one. I mean, it's soccer in Orlando. This guy's like basically a communist. Hardcore Bernie Sanders fan all that. This guy gets laid. He understands women. So what do you think, Rolo, about the guys who have been able to, in my opinion, compartmentalize or kind of piece down? They understand truth and intersexual dynamics, but when it comes to freedom and personal responsibility, it's like rationality got completely turned off. There are guys who are gonna be the quote unquote natural, no matter what, and that's going to be above whatever your political affiliation is. It's gonna be whatever you think of sociologically. You're gonna grow up in such a way and you know what, you're not gonna care. You don't have any incentives to really even think about why what you're doing is working for you, okay? Cause if it ain't broke, don't fix it, okay? It's the same thing for very gorgeous, pretty girls, right? They don't have the incentive to have the insight to really look inside themselves and say, why is it what I'm doing is working? Why am I not happy or why can I fix the problem? Because they're just simply not motivated to do something like that. So you're gonna have people that are always gonna be natural. So we're gonna say, you know what? I get it from a very early age. And there's other guys who have to learn and have to struggle with it and have to fight for it. For some people, it comes easier. Some people, it's not because you have to get over a lot of personal convictions, maybe whatever you've been conditioned to. That's what we call blue pill conditioning because from a very early age, I've always said we raise our boys as if they're defective girls. Well, those defective girls also grow up to vote. Those defective girls who have always been told you need to make women, womankind or mommy or your teacher, or whoever, you have to make them your first order of thinking and that's where you get guys who are like, don't worry, honey, I'll take your last name instead of you taking my last. That's when you get that kind of thing. But see here, those guys are just as clueless as the natural guy is, because a guy who's been brought up to, like take somebody like, say, Terry Crews for a minute. Good example. Terry Crews. Who's Terry Crews? He's an athlete, right? He's an athlete, yeah. Oh, he's a big bald black guy. He was a black guy that was in the Gillette commercial. Oh, yeah, I don't know Terry Crews. And he is essentially, he is a tool of his militant feminist wife. And he'll go on all of these talk shows and go, we need to, he'll say, he'll sit before Congress, I think, and he'll say. First Me Too movement. Yeah, for the Me Too movement. You know, in an athletic, male role saying, I was sexually, sexually harassing, assaulting. Because they see that as a means to solving their reproductive problems, okay? If I get behind Me Too, I'm going to be able to breed. They're gonna, the women are gonna like me enough because I'm identifying with women, because that's what we tell all our boys is you need to identify with the feminine. Be the friend. You need to get in touch with your emotional side and your feminine side. So that's what they do. But for the guys that you're talking about, there are always going to be alphas and betas within different contexts. Within any tribe. Yeah, within any tribe. So you can go into the most hardcore socialist groups that you can imagine. And there's gonna be an alpha there who's nailing all the chicks in that thing. Because once again, you take the mechanics of everything that I've written about and you put that into a different context, you put that into a social context, the mechanics don't change. The only thing that changes is the paradigm, is the context of that. So whether it's, you know, what, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or whatever and her democratic socialists, I'll guarantee you, there's like, she could probably like point out two or three guys that she's probably nailed within her own political pride, because she was hot for that guy. Why? Because those are the alpha dudes, right? Those are the guys that she wants to have sex with. And those are the guys that don't. She calls her boyfriend her partner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you seen pictures of the guy? No, I can imagine. Go look up pictures of the guy. He is exactly what you would imagine. I'm gonna ruin my life. Exactly what you would imagine him to be. Exactly what you would think. And now everybody in the chat's gonna go, here go this one. We got a $10 Super Chat from Red Man Anon. I've seen this guy before. It's about R.S.D. Tyler. Isn't R.S.D. Tyler Red Pill though? He does talk about lover, provider, dynamic. Talks about the Disney fantasy. Talks about looks are just a part of it, et cetera. Guess I'm not sure how he is purple pill. Rollo, Rich, anybody want this? I'll let Rollo hit it. I think a guy like Owen, a guy like Mystery, and a guy like, remember this is this old guard pickup artistry, guys, that's what they're. They've moved over into really success porn, is what they've done. They've moved over into the Tony Robbins, let's get up and bounce around the room, and they don't really have much substance to them. They don't have nuts and bolts. They have a lot of hype, and they have a lot of feel good. That's fine, but at the end of the day, it's kind of like a big nothing burger, is what it ends up being. Is he Red Pill? Is he Blue Pill? I don't think so. For the same reason, I don't think Mystery is either. Mystery is still to this day suicidal, because he's still trying to make Red Pill, the Red Pill work for his Blue Pill fantasies. So he can learn, just like what we were talking about, about this studly socialist guy, he learns how to do one thing really good, but he doesn't understand how the car runs. He can drive the car, but he couldn't rebuild the car. He couldn't put it back together. He could, if something went wrong with the car, he couldn't rebuild it. He'd have to take it somewhere, and he'd get rid of that car and get another car, right? Yeah, you can sell Neil Strauss right about this. Yeah, Neil Strauss is another guy who at one point understands game, just because you understand game does not make you Red Pill, and it does not make you, or Blue Pill for that matter. Does it mean you understand what? Yeah, those two things are mutually exclusive. So just because you are very good at scripts, just because you're very good at, what is it? Calibrating, that's what that'd be. When you're good at calibrating, you're good at, so you have high social intelligence. That's simply, that's great. You know how to get laid, but you don't know how to live with women. You don't know how to look for dangerous women. You don't know how to deal with a borderline personality. You don't know those kinds of things because you've never had the incentive to really actually study those things. I think that if you look at the lifestyles, the actual real lifestyles of somebody like Owen, you'll see just how Blue Pill they are. For instance, like Prince Harry. Everybody jumped all down my ass for when I said Prince Harry is Blue Pill and he's gonna end up probably putting a noose around his neck because he's Blue Pill and because he's doing everything I would expect a Blue Pill guy to do in a relationship that he is in and she is owning his ass and isolating him and doing everything possible to keep him. Very publicly too. She's all with him for sure. I'm gonna bet he goes with sleeping pills. Well, because yeah, maybe, but then people will say, well he used to fly helicopters and he was a marine, a royal marine or something like that. And I'm like that, I know so many guys in the military that I would also say are very, very Blue Pill. So just because you know how to get laid does not necessarily mean that you know the nature of women and you don't, you know what can help you live a better life by knowing like intersexual dynamics and the mechanics that go with that. So I think that maybe it's, so I'm not saying that maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it from him at all. All I see is I see a lot of practice and no theory. And then I see a lot of guys who are all theory and no practice. There's, I always say that the red pill and game are like symbiotic, okay? Without game, without practice, without going out there and doing it and practicing what you've learned from the red pill, you're, all you are is just, all you are is a robot. You're what Neil Strauss would call a social robot, right? If you, if all you're about is theory and you're just sitting in here and you're just being a keyboard jockey the whole time here, so you're afraid to go outside. All you're doing is just being, you're just living with theory all the time. You know, when I first found your website in 2015 before I got properly introduced to it like a year and a half later, I was actually, I had one of my employees at the time looking for websites like yours, like new manuscript content because I was frustrated that pickup community had completely failed to develop a unifying theory of any degree. It was just the pickup community in 2015 was like this like leftover mishmash of shipping the 2000s. And they didn't know, they didn't know why it worked. Yeah, no one knew why anything worked. So you see guys do really stupid shit try to fail and then that works and they don't know why. You wanna know how I wrote the rational males because I was looking at forums like SoSWAP and forums like Alt Fast Seduction and Mystery Method and stuff. And I was looking at that. In fact, that's what prompted me to actually get into it because I was studying behavioral psychology at the time and I go, what he's talking about right there is operant conditioning, right? Or it's, you know, it's positive reinforcement and negative reinforcement. I'm looking at all, they don't understand why it works, but they don't care if it, you know, again, just turn the TV on as long as the TV turns on, that's all they care about. They don't wanna rebuild the TV. I wanted to rebuild the TV. I love Elliot's thing. He said girls just wanna take selfies and charge their phone. Right. Yeah, the selfies thing I got, the charge the phone. They don't wanna rebuild the phone. They don't wanna code and you know. Charge it and post a selfie. I do wanna get back to this one part though. I understand like the principle question you're asking is which political ideology most closely aligns with what we see as red pill awareness, okay? Obviously that's not a militant progressive liberal, I'm gonna call it liberal because, you know, if you talk to like somebody like David Rubin, they will, he will say that he is a classical liberal, right, which is what I was for a very long time. But I voted for Trump, right? I voted for Obama in the two years that he was there, but I'm like, I'm one of Jack Murphy's Democrats to deplorables and now I've switched because the party left me. I didn't leave the party, right? And I see this now and I look at it and I go, well, as to who I am today, who best reflects those? Well, you know, I didn't vote for Trump. I voted against Hillary because I didn't want her in there. And if there's any woman that runs this year, she's not getting my vote either just simply because I don't see it. It's too dangerous. Yeah, it's too dangerous and I don't see a woman, because I believe in the sisterhood of Uralis, right? I believe that women will never vote against their own interests. And you listen to Turflingi Monkey, he says this all the time, which is women will only ever vote for themselves. They will only ever vote for the sisterhood, no matter what that is. And if they can get free stuff, they're gonna get free stuff. So what do you think about that notion that the McDowell's talk about where they say just take women's voting rights away? I mean, I think as a solution, it would probably work, but how would you even go about that? I agree. I 100% think the guys say that, they go, yeah, let's just, are you ready to take women's vote rights away? Yes, I am. How are we gonna do that? Tell me how we're gonna do it. What's the plan? Does anybody present it as an option? They're not sure, so sorry, that was a collapse. I've done this once before when Drew mentioned this at the Red Med Group at 21Con. So the McDowell's jump to that is an easy solution and I'm actually very skeptical. Obviously like, how are you gonna do that? Second of all, if you actually managed to pull that off, the fucking backlash you would inspire with that would be like, hell, like to me, that would be, that would be like, it's just. 1000%. In the short term, but as society rapidly improved over the following decades, people would be like, yeah. Yeah, but they would have to hold for decades to see the improvement. That's right. Well, it can't be done. You can't keep swinging the pendulum back and forth every four years and take away their votes. It couldn't be, it has to be indirect. They keep coming back to that and they keep throwing that out there, like, let's take women's rights away. Okay, well, again, you know, of course what we say. Voting's not a right though, it's a privilege. Well, okay, but, Exactly. I think you made the privilege to phrase it like that property. We can't take anybody's rights. But see, that is a, to say, let's take women's rights away, that is a cop out. And you know why that's a cop out? Because they know that there's two choices. We take away women's rights or the whole system goes to hell, right? What sounds better to you? Well, I think they want the whole system. Taking away women's rights, right? But guess what's gonna really happen? The whole system's gonna go to hell. That's what they're trying to avoid by saying, let's take away women's rights. No, we're fucked, that's it, okay? We're gonna, we are totally fucked and you're not gonna take women's rights away because there are more beta's out there that will fight you on that than anything. Women won't even have to fight the battle. The allies. Men will fight the battle for them. 75% men are beta's. There's a lot of thirsty, dehydrated, white nights out there that would fight that battle happily for a lady. Yeah, I'm also very, so Drew may I mention earlier like owning properties, serving in the military. Honorably. Honorably contributing to the tax base. So actually, I've seen Black Pigeon speaks to some awesome videos in Stefan Mollin videos on gender voting patterns, women voting for socialism, men voting for freedom. The Libertarian Party in America is like 70% male. Independent of gender though, I'm very skeptical that the fundamental problem is actually gender and biology. I think it's more something like owning property or even something as simple as making voting contingent on contributing one fucking dollar of tax every year. You can contribute one dollar, net positive to the tax base. So you get to cast a vote. You can vote. But if you're a recipient of free shit, you don't get to vote. And government employees. Exactly. If you're on welfare, if you're on food stamps. Well, let's just step closer in the right direction, I think, because you're gonna have people cast votes that support the strong country. And it's aligning their interest with what their voting pattern is. And so for example, Mary Frances was a standup liberal, but when you start having her interest in the family realizing how much of my paycheck is taken out going somewhere else, she saw that number and was like, what the fuck? I mean, and she's like, how often does this happen? Is that month? I mean, no, that's bi-monthly. That's happening twice a month. This is where I felt like this talked about quite a bit more on the boards and stuff. Women who get married and have babies, all of a sudden they vote conservative and shit. It's like it's rapping and all that. Because they don't want to present it. Yeah, it's that. Because they're probably not allowed to present it. How do you put value back in the family structures that's red-pilled base that respects men, respects masculinity, respects the historical behavioral patterns of human creatures, both male and female, and make that work in a civilized society such as ours? And we still haven't figured that out. Well, and I'll tell you, you won't, I was actually, when we were on the boat, I was telling Allie at this, is that women tend to be more collectivist. They tend to be more socialist. For lack of a better term, let's just say collectivist here, because I don't want to apply politics to it just yet, but they're more collectivist. Men tend to be more merit-based, i.e., more capitalist, more focused on your performance, because we have a burden of performance. Women do not have that burden of performance, they just are. Men must become. We're focused on the individual. Right. Well, the reason for that, and I was telling them is that there's, they've got- We like to compete in measure as well. Yeah, we do. Well, here's the thing is, women, the way that they evolved was, they had to stay, you know, we evolved from hunter-gatherer societies. Women stayed together, and they had to rely on each other. They had to communicate with each other, where the men were off, you know, trying to bring back a big old woolly mammoth or some shit, okay? So they would have to be there, they would have to cooperate and organize, because they had to go collect. They had to, okay, you're going to take care of the babies, you're going to go and do this. Oh, it looks like you're going to be fertile pretty soon. I got a great guy for you. That, you know, there's a matchmaker thing. There's the reproductive aspects of it, but all of that comes down to wanting to have an equal base for everybody that is in the woman tribe, whereas the man tribe is out doing something differently. So what happens is, they end up being like, one of these experiments I was telling him about, is they have done these experiments where they will take a certain amount of money or resources, and they will allot it to a group of women, and they will see how they go and they distribute it. And women will almost uniquely just go and distribute money or whatever the resources is, equally amongst that group. Oh, should we get it? Whereas when you do the same thing, I would- Who's got a huge suit on. Woo, we'll get to it. When you do the same thing with men, men will take out those resources and they will dish it out merit-wise. You did a better job. You brought down the woolly mammoth. You threw the spear. You carried it back. You know, they will give out just enough as based on whatever your performance is. And that when we see societies that are more feminine primary, when they are gynecratic, when they are what I would call the female primary social order, which is what we are in now. We have been in this since the sexual revolution. That is why you see us leaning really towards leftist and left-leaning socialist collectivist, like Alexandria Cortez, right? Social Democrat. That's why you're looking, a socialist Democrat. That's why you're seeing this more socialist thing. Everything you guys have been talking about distributing in taxes and voting and stuff like that. The reason we're even discussing this is because we have standardized on that collectivist female style government. And this is also what happens when women get into male spaces. They will turn it from a merit-based space, which is a male space, into a female-based space, which is based on like you get one and you get one and you get one and we're all gonna be collectivists and we're all gonna be equal about it. And that's what fucks up companies, big companies, when they get into work culture, when work culture shifts from being primarily male over to primarily female, it fucks up the dynamic. And that's why you see companies work culture completely change when it's primarily women. So that's something to think about because right now I see that one of the reasons that we have the resistance, we have the women's march and all this other shit that's going on right now. What is that? They're all wearing the same uniform. They're all wearing the same pink hat and they all carry the same placards and they all look alike. Because that is that collectivist mentality for them. So you wanna get to that chat with them. Yeah, let's get to that chat. And second, that Elliot, you made some controversial decisions in your business with the events lately. I don't know how long, a few months ago or whatever it was. You actually stopped flying women into your events. You talked a little bit about why that was and how that it, because this sounds very related. The dynamics have changed. Chris Von Erich, thank you very much for that $60 Super Chat. Yeah man. We'll get to the Super Chat in a second. We'll read them out. Well the main thing was that the men were distracted. They couldn't help but be distracted. So when there were women there, they would virtue signal. Be that guy that gets the attention from the girl. I'm not liking these other guys. And it was a lot of, I was actually a little ashamed. It was a lot of bait activity, a lot of beta behavior. Cringy. We're working together, yeah, very cringy. We're working together to make ourselves stronger versions of ourselves. But then here I see them following the bait, biting the apple, bowing down, cow-towing, and being debated with the girls. And I saw the women, they would take advantage of that. They enjoyed that. And we started getting women that I think were coming for that. They realized they were going to be, yeah. Yeah, that's how you just created a market. Yeah, and so I decided to allow women in first because I recognized that it would bring more men. That was my mindset. So hey, we bring girls, more guys will come. And it was doing really well, but it didn't take long for me to see the flaw in that. That was a mistake that I made. Particularly when we have men that are making bad decisions with these women that are showing up. So in order to do the work that men got to do, we got to create a space that's for men. We can't do this in a collectivist way with women. We're not ourselves. It doesn't matter who you are, how strong you're trying to be. When there's a woman in the room, there's a shift in behavior. We've been conditioned that way. And so the big decision has been to, yeah, work exclusively with men, yeah. Yeah, I was surprised to hear that. I didn't know that. It was pretty cool to hear that. It was impressive. You made a male space. How do you develop a uniqueness and celebrate that uniqueness and develop it when you have to include the other parties? Right. You're watering it down. You're not able to actually format the elements that actually create that uniqueness. Look, women have all their kinds of spaces. Yeah, right. They're creating them all over the place. And men leave them alone. We don't see men trying to be Girl Scouts. But it's great. Girls go do your thing. But we have this encroach upon space that's been created for men. Boy, Scouts don't exist any longer. I think you mean Scouts. Scouts don't exist anymore because girls need to be a part of it. And I think we've forgotten how to be with one another outside of the drinking beer and telling jokes sort of space. That's cool and that's great. But we learned under pressure. We learned about one another under pressure. You know, anybody who's played football or was in the military. You know what I'm saying? Those men become family not because they like each other. Not because they're friendly with one another. In fact, we rip each other and give each other a hard time. And that's great. Those are testing what kind of men are around. And it becomes an order. That's why, you know, the order of men, it's men creating order. A hierarchy, right? Order. And so yeah, I think it's super important. You talked about the culture of steel, you know. So, hang on. I got to hit some super chats here. We're gonna show that. We got the first of $5 one real quick. Fim on men. He said earlier, just look at the Amish and the Muslim Nogo zones in Europe. That's how you take away women's rights and it's happening right now. We also got a huge super chat from Chris von Erich and $60. Thanks, man. It's one of the biggest I've ever seen on Red Man Group. You men are the voices that need to, need to heard. I am proud to support the content and my goal is to one day speak at 21 convention. Fuck yeah, man. Thank you. And by the way, the way you do that is you start broadcasting your own story. Show us what you got, get in the ring, say what you got to say. Yeah. Build, it's a hierarchy. Exactly, Elia was just talking about order and hierarchy. The speakers, I'm building a hierarchy of speakers and content and ideas and brands. These men have built themselves into that process by producing content. Whether it's a blog, a YouTube channel, a book, a blog or YouTube, all this stuff. I'd say exactly what you said. Build the content, demonstrate what you can do. I'd say get in. The next one is from Conk. It's $10 one. Thank you. Conk's awesome. He's always around. Yeah. He's on all of ours. Rolo, women vote for the sisterhood loyalty, but it all goes to shit when it's individual mate competition. Women sexually intimidated by the woman will go no holds barred. Yeah, he's right. Female to female. The knife competition is double. Yeah, I mean, when it comes to, when it comes to like the oppression of Olympics, right? That's why I always talk about the sisterhood is it transcends religion, it transcends politics, it transcends race, okay? If you're a woman, then it's like, hey sister. That's his own mental point of origin itself. Yeah, in a sense, but you have that, What he's talking about when there's, of course, there's intersexual competition all over the place, but that's within that group. When that group is attacked from the outside, that's when they sort of circle the wagons. I missed one super cheddar from Ken Wilder in 1999. Thank you, sir. If women's rights aren't repealed, then at what point will this massive shit test end? I only care because feminism is corrupting every facet of the West, I agree. Must we be invaded to realize our failure or until everything fails? I think the shit needs to be said to the fan. We need a full-on reset. It's like when your computer freezes up and it's not working properly. Sweden is probably going to be one of the tests. Also, it's not a right. Voting is not a right. Voting ought to be considered a privilege. And I think it's important that we phrase it as that because when you start talking about taking away rights, that's... It was designed as a function like jury duty and the origins of America, anyway. I've told 18 times whatever and that changed. It should be considered a privilege. It's something that you should have to earn. Rights are inherent. You just by virtue of being a living human, you have rights. But voting is something that you should not have a say if you don't have skin in the game. If you're not part of the risk, it's a privilege that comes with that. It has to be earned. And I think it's absolutely essential that we stop saying the right to vote and call it voting privileges. Well, it used to come with responsibility too. It was intimately tied to that. It should never have changed. You have just described exactly what I was saying about the differences between how women govern and how men govern. When women are together and they're organizing, again, they are socialist and everybody voting for women is a right. Everybody gets to do that. Voting for men is a privilege that you get if you perform something, if you do something, if you throw in, if you're actually contributing to the greater good of that group. You have a better responsibility. And the make-toes got this one right too, credit words too. It's like they will never vote against their own capacity to vote. They're never going to vote against or vote for something that you're just, you're talking about right now. We're never going to go back to that merit-based version of voting because we live in a feminine primary sub-social. I have a question. Do you guys think that we're at the point of no return? I don't know. Can this be fixed? Yeah, I like what you said a minute ago because you said the city needs to hit the fan. And in most instances or views of that, I would kind of agree. But I think there's one out and that will fundamentally run policies, say for example, in running in 2008, 2012, that tyranny sows the seeds of its own destruction, tyranny, evil, all these things. So my opinion, the presidency of the United States, one of the three branches of government, executive, legislative and judicial, the presidency has become like super powered over the past like 50, 60 years. It's gotten really out of control. And with guys like Bill Clinton and George Bush and these globalist puppets that just do what they're told, that's a big fucking problem. But I think now what we're seeing with Trump is the minute you get a real American who does whatever the fuck he wants, when the fuck he wants, in that super powered executive position, he's literally the CEO of the country of the federal government. That I think is what we're seeing. We're in the middle of a revolution in my opinion. Well, it sounds like he's gearing up to build a wall anyway by declaring it a national emergency, right? It's not just a wall. Everything he's done since he's gone in office, the presidency was overpowered and the globalists, you know, shit was. Overpowered by the globalists. Yeah, yeah, they did it on purpose to control everything else, but now that's the wheels have fallen off and they're fucking mainstream media's freaking out, mainstream culture's freaking out because you have someone in a position to actually do something. But is that enough? But is that enough? It might be. Does he have enough time to actually accomplish what he was hoping to accomplish? We're gonna find out. All right, people give me shit all the time for saying this, but I'm gonna say it anyways. Back in, what was it, 1847 is when Seneca Falls happened. That's when we decided that, when women decided that they were gonna have feminism, right? They came out with the articles of feminism at Seneca, I forget the lady who wrote it on. I've always said this, is that there were never any waves of feminism. There's always been one kind of feminism that has always been a hate movement and it has also been a supremacism movement. It's always been a push for more and more. I mean, when everybody asks you what do women want, the answer is always more, okay? And so, so if you look at this from like 1847, then feminism is interrupted by, let's see the Civil War in the 1860s. Then again, feminism is interrupted by World War I. Then feminism is again, gets up and oh, it's interrupted by World War II. And then finally, when we get into the 60s, 1960s, we have hormonal birth control and we basically have handed over the birthing process, the reproductive, human reproductive process is in the 100% control authority, control of women right now. You guys will say, well, you can put it, you can wrap your dick up with a condom and you have to take some responsibility for that. Yeah, but the thing is, is once that woman is pregnant, all of your rights cease, okay? You have no control over really the rest of your life. Whatever she wants to do, she's gonna do. Whether you wanna keep that kid or you don't wanna have that kid, she has that right. And look at what has happened since we have unfettered hypergamy. Since we have given women that right, we've also unfettered hypergamy by saying, don't worry ladies, now if you have sex, you don't have to worry about getting pregnant all the time. All you gotta do is take this little pill and it'll be good, right? So since then, since the sexual revolution, what have we seen happen? We have seen. Are they trying to give those pills to men now? No. No, no, no, no. I can see this pills now. Well, here's the thing real quick. I had a guy tell me that we spend more money was on abortion or something like that than rather than spending money on birth control for men. Right. Yeah, I thought that was kind of interesting. I understand it's more than the space program. Yeah, well, look at what we've done though. So, yeah. Compared to more than the space program. Yeah, more than the space program, yeah. On abortions, yeah. And now abortions, we can have abortions right up to 60 seconds before the baby is born. Dad's gonna be paying for any of that release this week, right? Yeah, all of that. But see, look at all the things that have happened since we have unfettered, unfettered, high-pergamy is exactly the result of that. Sick. Yeah, yeah. They are working on a male pill. Yeah. They're working on a male pill. Yeah, because if that fucks up, you're nuts or something. It will absolutely kill your testosterone. Here's the problem with that though. Imagine if there was a pill, and especially if this is over the counter, that would destroy your testosterone, the potential for abuse of something like that. Spiking public things and, yeah. If people could just get ahold of it, yeah, what they could do with that. And I would not, I wouldn't even talk about all the things that could be happened. Yeah. Well. Plastic bottles. Oh, the, yeah. All the spitoestrogens. And xenoestrogens. Yeah. I'm starting to get pumped for that. Just take a quick commercial break from our fan sponsors. We are fan-funded. We got some super chats from BJ Tucker Five. Give it to BJ. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I asked this, $10, thank you. I asked this tongue-in-cheek, but some presume that the end game of the red pill is the Handmaid's Tale, a Hulu-like original shower or whatever. Any truth to at least a lesser extent of that world or just ludicrous? Well, that's the opposite side of this that I wanted to talk about as well. So if you're talking about which political party, which political ideology, most closely aligns with the red pill thing. Okay, so it obviously isn't the leftist side of thing. I think that we're pretty much agreed on that, but is it the right side? Is it the conservative side? I don't think the conservative side is the answer, but it is the closest to the truth that it's gonna have any influence or impact. I only agree with that up to a point, because right now there are guys watching this who will tell you that the only valid sex, the only legitimate sex that you can have is reproductive sex, and anything else is a drug addiction, meaning that you will jerk off until you can't see anymore. We have ubiquitous, free online porn. Why is that? Because we've unfettered the male sexual imperative by offering up pornography as easy as it is. They will tell you that, and you guys already know my reasons for not being into traditional conservatives, but thank you. Yeah, I have a comment that I could kind of share in this. I think you'll like a lot, Rolo. So I was talking to Dr. Sean Smith, one of the fellow RMG guys, 21 con-speakers a few weeks ago, and he asked me what I thought about Tradcon beliefs, traditional conservatism, things like that, and if I was Tradcon, I said no. But when I look at Tradcon beliefs versus what the shit we see right now, they're infinitely more rational than we have now. Even so, they're not perfect. And for a fact, we can see that they've led to where we are today. America used to be, and say, the 40s and 50s, a lot more, they had way different beliefs than we do now. That was better, but it wasn't perfect. Why? We're here right now. Whatever holes and weaknesses those things had, they led to where we are today. So when I say in my speeches at the convention and when I talk about the future as masculine, that's what I mean. We have to build a better future that's not just a replica of 1950s. Rolla talks a lot about the, you know, Tradcons want a time machine. They don't want the truth. Yeah, I'm on board with Rolla on that. Like, I like a lot of Tradcon stuff, but I know it's not perfect. I know we need to build something better. The same way this country was founded by building something better than what we had. It's the best thing the world's ever seen. So we need to figure out what that is, and I think we're in the middle of figuring that out. Well, if we were to say, okay, the answer is to take away women's rights, okay? But let's just say that maybe that's gonna be something that's gonna stab off disaster. Imagine telling that to a woman who was a traditional conservative. What's she going to say? If you say, you know what? Sorry, baby, but if we're gonna turn the ship around, we're gonna have to take away your rights. And I know you voted for Trump, but you know, I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. What's she gonna say? I've had conversations with friends in public spaces about this, and I've seen absolute horrified looks. I remember having a conversation about this with a friend of mine, we're in the grocery checkout, and just terrified looks. Nobody said anything, but just, but I've also had conversations with some women about this. Of course, I never phrase it as a right. I would never take away anybody's rights, but voting is a privilege. Women shouldn't be looked at. Yeah, you're right. You do have to stop calling it a right. Yeah, right. You have to change the language. And I've explained it too. And the way I usually put it is, imagine you've got a group of maybe 50 people on an island, half men, half women, but only about 20 of them are of adult age. You have a bunch below that are, yeah, able-bodied, useful. You got 10 men, you got 10 women, you got a bunch of older men, and you've got a bunch of children that can't really do anything. And you have to survive. You have wild animals that the group has to be protected against. They're not gonna value the dependence of the children. Yeah, and security and all this. They might consult, but you don't get to cast a vote. Yeah. Totally agree. You're going to be reliant on the people who are capable of fighting off the animals and doing the hard work. Those are the people that are going to be at risk, though, doing this. So however it gets done should be up to them. They are the ones that are putting their necks on the line for the rest of the group. So they should be able to decide. If you're sitting back at home safe and you aren't the one that's out there doing it, you should be able to have a say. Yeah, I would say so. The ideal sort of scenario? Yeah, okay. The thing I would say is an ideal scenario is great, but what I'm saying is I think that it is a mistake to think that traditional conservatism is any different than the left aside when it comes to the rights of women, when it comes to fundamental red pill beliefs or red pill truths that we've gone from being, like on my first speech at the 2017, 21 convention, I did a speech called Hypogamy Micro to Macro, okay? This is the macro side of that, okay? Now we're talking about where we have gone from like pickup artistry all through our personal lives, how to have a better marriage, and now we're talking about things on a social scale, okay? Just what I said before, the sisterhood of Uber Alice, I would say it is almost even more intense in the conservative side of the spectrum. I would say women will, you will ask a conservative, you will ask a conservative woman. This is intense, huh? Yeah, you will ask a conservative woman, say, are you a feminist? And they'll go, oh no, I'm not a feminist. And you say, okay, we're gonna take away your right to vote or your privilege to vote, whatever. They will lose their fucking minds because there is no, actually nobody in this room and nobody watching this and no woman in society right now who has been born after 1965 that hasn't had feminism in some way influenced the way that they think. So even if you, like all these people say, well, you know, women don't really identify as being feminists these days. I'm like, that's bullshit. Who cares, it's meaningless right now because you were brought up to believe in all of this stuff because it was in your schools, it was in your Disney shows, it was in your music, it's, listen to Beyonce, okay? Oh, I'm a feminist. We don't think of those when we're saying when somebody's asking you, are you a feminist? We don't think about the influence that that song had on us. I gotta tell you, when I found your work, I was amazed at how much feminism had impacted me in ways I didn't realize, it was scary, I hate it everywhere. So it impacted you to that degree? It impacted me for feminism before I found your book and then I'm reading it and I'm like, oh fuck. Well, we've, we have, we have done. Looking back and thinking about the things, the way that you thought about things previously, the things you've said and done because of that programming and thinking back now, holy fuck, what the hell was wrong with me that I would have even considered saying something like that. Like, well, hey, you wanna go out shooting? Oh, I gotta see if, you know, my wife- Check it with the boss. Gotta check with the boss. Why the fuck? Why would you think that? Right, but you, but you think, you know, why you think that because you were brought up and you were conditioned by the blue pill to think that way, to be pre-whipped. Yeah. So just to say that, like, and I'm just, again, I'm playing devil's advocate here. I think the sisterhood over Alice, it transcends religion. I'm writing a book on it right now about religion and just how assimilated mainstream religions have become by feminism. Here's an idea. Politics, race, you name it, the sister. And I mean that in the sincerest way when it comes to politics. We've had several shows or topics of discussion here on this show about red pill women. So I mean, how does that factor in to the conservative side of the spectrum then? If we're gonna say there's no such thing as a red pill woman. Yeah, I was gonna say, is there a vacuum here for a political organization that's red-pilled? Call it. There needs to be something new. Call it the red party. There needs to be something new. I thought. I think if we followed the constitution, we'd be pretty good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. Should we do that? It might be something. Maybe like call it the constitutional party. Properitarian or something. Oh yeah, I've seen him. I always thought on this that, I think the country when they was founded, the founding fathers talked a lot about how they hated political parties and they were surprised, they were forming and stuff like that. Well, that's why they split off from England. That's why they left the British empire. That's why our conversation is based on a paradigm that was not intended for our country to begin with. So we're talking about vote, vote, who should not vote. Really, I don't think the founders wanted us to vote for any of these evil parties. And the fact that we've got such a large federal government really transcends anything that they ever expected for us to have small, localized, state-governed governments. A weak central government. Yeah, a weak central government. With a huge, now we've got a huge central government with a huge army. The states are dying off. And the states are running. It's got a massive addiction to debt too. They probably already be shooting. Look at MAGA though. I mean MAGA, this is maybe hell of a statement even on this panel, but when I see the modern Republican party, the MAGA movement within the Republican party that Trump's leading and then the Democrats go on like anti-free speech, super pro-war. You know, liberals now, 10 years ago, were anti-war. Now they're pro-war, right? It's wild the way things are turning. I think they're just contrarian. Anything that Trump says, they're automatically just unthinking. Yeah, it's tribalism as well. What's striking me is that you're seeing one party, you're seeing two parties in America, the two major parties. One is going pro-America. The other one's going anti-America. That's just what America is. It's fucking hostile. It's aggressive. It's censorship. It's anti-free speech. It's anti-gun. It's anti-freedom. It's pro-dead. It's fucking crazy. Did you see that video? It's been going around my Twitter feed and it's this ball-headed chick that looks like the one from Star Trek, the first Star Trek movie I don't know if you know him. You probably know him. Yeah, a little bit of a Mohawk. And she is just like, she looks like, and yeah, she's talking to the guy with MAGA's hats. And there's a woman there too with them as well. And she's saying that scares me. And she's like, it's almost like performance art. She's like, yeah, she's looking. She's like, that's scary. And then she's trying to say, you know, it's emotions that make us who we are. And they're saying, you know, just go get some facts. And there are the forces of logic and reason. And she's the forces of emotion. The closing couple seconds of that video were amazing. She goes, it's all emotions. He's like, yeah, emotions change, facts don't. Yeah, exactly. Well, and then one more thing to add to put on the fire here, just like I was saying, in a feminine primary social order, it becomes more collectivist. Well, it is also based primarily on feels before reels. That's what Dr. Everett Piper talks about when I'm on Pat Campbell's show. He's the guy that comes on before me. And he has said that he has seen this and it is just is endemic in our political discourse right now, where it's all about how people feel and they need their safe spaces and they need to feel secure. And that's, you know, words are our weapons. Words are violence. Why? Because it makes me feel bad. And that's what she was just saying. That hat makes me feel bad. You've written about this as one of the basic ways men and women are different. Is men prioritize emotions, men instinct, men logic. Which, okay, so you've obviously read that series that I had, it's instinct, emotion, and reason. Men, that's women for, yeah, that's men. For women, it is instinct, emotion, reason. For men, it is instinct, reason, and then emotion because once we figure out what the hell's going on, then we gotta process how we feel about what we just had to deal with. Women see something that our instincts interpret it. Then they, how they feel about that is what freaks them out. And then what are they gonna do about it? Men prioritize that differently and we're doing that in our political discourse. Why? Because women control the social discourse and control the feminine, primary, social order. That's exactly what I was saying. I think what's really hard for guys to understand too is that to women, that makes complete sense. And the great example was that ball headed girl. She didn't know why you don't understand what she said. She was speaking different languages. Ryan had this really great post on the red, on the, I think it was on the red man red, or red pill reddit, about, excuse me, it was a purple pill discussion and it was how one side wants to show correctness and write and be factual, or the other one wants to prove belief. It wants to prove that they're doing, the facts may show, no, build belief. So it's like, whatever is, like, you can show them what is factual and the people on that side of the spectrum believe that that wins the argument or solves the argument, or the people on the opposite side, they think that no matter what those facts are, if you did the right thing or you did those things for the right reason, then that wins the argument. And again, male way of thinking, female way. That's like Cortez saying that she's morally right, even if she's not factually correct, or obviously that's, you can't have that. It doesn't work that way. But that's where the thinking is coming from. But with the instincts real quick though, wouldn't the instincts for men just be heuristics based on rational thought, whereas the instincts for women might be heuristics based on emotional thinking? I didn't think it was before both of those. Oh yeah, I'm just saying, would the instincts just be heuristics based on? Well, when I wrote that series, it was something that I was actually kind of sorting out for myself because when we have, and this is just from an evolutionary standpoint, when just the way that we evolved, when we see something in our immediate environment, we have to respond to it. So it's stimulus, okay? So that stimulus, we have developed instincts over the years to say, okay, like fight or flight, for instance. Is that a saber tooth tiger? Holy shit, I better fight or I better run my ass off, right? That's the instinct part. When men put themselves in front of live ammunition in a active shooting situation, and they get in the way of women that they don't even know, just to take the bullet, that's instinct because that is just how we have evolved. It's something that's part of our mental firmware. That's one way of interpreting that stimulus, okay? Once you're past the instinctual side, then for women, it's how do I feel about what I'm looking at right now? And those emotions are actually a biological response. So like oxytocin can make you feel one way, a lot of testosterone can give you Roydrage and it can make you feel a certain way. There's other dopamine, dopamine hits, endorphins, there's all kinds of chemicals in our chemical cocktail that can influence our emotional state. So don't think that it is just like, one of the things that women do and more than a few men do is they apply these supernatural meanings to emotions just like ballheaded girl, right? Yeah, okay, yeah, exactly. So that kind of stuff. So that emotional part becomes something supernatural to women and that's the most important thing because they have a different way, their biology and their brain chemistry and the way that their brains are wired is more for communication. It's more for interpersonal, like seeing faces, that kind of stuff. I think what Pinker was saying, it was men are interested in things and women are interested in people and that's part of our brain structure. So once you're past the emotional part, then you move on to the rational part, the reason part, okay? And that's what am I gonna do with this information? What have I learned in the past that can help me solve this problem? And what can I do with all this stuff? What does this mean? And how can I use this information to make my life better or to build something? And that's where men come in. So for women, it is instinct, emotion, really big emotion, and then there's reason and they're trying to figure out what they can do, okay? For men, it is instinct, reason, and then emotion. How does that make them feel? Because men and women process emotions way, way differently and particularly bad emotions. There's lots of research on that. Love's a good one, too. Yeah, yeah, love's another reason why we don't share the same concept with them. So on female brain structures, vastly different. I wanna call it a big super chat. I'm not gonna read through it. We're gonna wind on the show in a soon. I wanna kind of close it pretty strong. But big shout out to the two, BJ, Tucker, five again, $10 super chat. Thank you very much. You can respond to your question after the show. So I wanted to say that we started this episode talking about how the red pills affected our lives outside of dating, outside of sex, looking at like the big picture, family, marriage, things like that. We've not gotten into politics, obviously throughout the course of the show, some different ways. We're about to wrap up. We've got 10, 15 minutes left. I wanted to talk about what's coming up next with the red pill in politics, particularly the gender war, the role it's focusing on, coming up in 2020. So I think we're gonna see 2019 that's gonna escalate. I mean, we're fucking a few weeks into 2019. It's apparently how it goes. It's amazing how fast it's escalating. I think we're gonna see that continue through 2019 and then 2020 we're gonna see it blow up, I guess. Time to raise an army. Yeah, let's talk about this though. Like you guys were just saying, hey, what's the solution? Obviously it's not the left and it's imperfect on the right. So what's left is we need to create our own thing. We need to have our own party, our own direction, our own, whatever it is. I don't even know what to call it. Like I was telling you guys before, it's like I don't align with the left. I used to be, I don't anymore, but I don't also fully align with the right. And so like, I don't know what I am. I don't, you guys are, well, you're a libertarian. I've never identified as a libertarian either. I don't know what I am. So maybe that's what we need to do is develop some sort of. That's what I was thinking about earlier based on the conversation we're having here, is that you're seeing the political parties get so fucking polarized that you have two choices, pro-America or anti-America. So that's what came to mind based on that earlier. But the gender war to me is pretty interesting. Like I think we're gonna really see this amp up in 2020 and throughout the rest of this year too. I think it's important to clarify that by gender, it's a war about gender, not men versus women so much, if I'm not standing correctly. Generally. But there's some exceptions. Well, because there's a bunch of males who maybe are male gender, but they're not men. But we just give the gender war. Beachy males. They're allies. They're allies. They're allies. Well, we've seen some pretty savage stuff just in the past few months. Look at the gender war in terms of Brett Kavanaugh becoming a Supreme Court Justice. That, his whole life and family went to hell. I mean, the whole country, well, not the whole country, but millions of women were angry with the stupe, storming the place, spitting, throwing, all kinds of crazy shit was going on. That's not the last time we're gonna see that. No, of course. We're gonna see worse stuff. Ruth Bader Ginsburg is, if she's not already dead and they're just propping her up for things, she will be soon. Yeah. Weekend of burning? Well, you may actually see, instead of reconstituting in the US, you may see masculine flight to those areas in countries that actually support. Relatively traditional human heuristics as far as the development of the family, the value of the family structure, the value of the masculine family. Very big places like this. Well, yeah. No, you're right, and that's that. You see, and Donovan has talked about this. Donovan Sharp has talked about this before. You see this in the black communities. They are sick of black women, and they wanna go to Brazil. There's a documentary on, I wrote an essay on the documentary called Bachelor Nation. And it's, that's fantastic. You guys should watch that. It's just a fantastic documentary, but it's these guys who are saying, I don't wanna have to deal with all the head case with these women who are these empowered black women that are, they're not attractive, they're bitchy, they're bossy, they're unfeminine, and so what do they do? They go off to Brazil to look for a feminine woman because the culture is different there, and they're finding it there. But so what happens when we come back to the United States, they say, oh, you're going on sex tourism or they make them villains for leaving the tribe, yeah. Yeah, and one of the things that I've, looking at restructuring my professional life, it afforded me the opportunity to realize that my partner sits down and comes back to me and goes, whatever you decide, the family's gonna support. And I know in my personal life, we have family history that did not survive World War II that was in Europe because they did not leave. And I have no illusions to fighting my own government. You're gonna lose when you fight your own government, whether you lose physically your life or your integrity with all these other things. Well, we have this counter example. Yeah, well, but there's tremendous risks involved. I mean, tremendous risk. A lot of the government will not side with the left. Right, and so you sit down and say, I could see men get into the point where they say they will leave prior to doing that, that they will seek their own interest over living under these conditions. But ultimately, I look at it and go, that's what MGTOW is. Yeah, that's what MGTOW is. My focus is, I don't care if society, I do, but I'm not gonna focus on whether society collapses or not. I'm fighting for my family and my nuclear set, that smallest foreign government that I can truly affect. My relationship with Mary Frances, my children, my family, and from there, and it's a Tostito family, that Roman notion of the tortoise shell, the basic formation and go from the basic formation up rather than look at holistically this culture and boiling it down to the family. This is one of the roots of the Declaration of Independence. To secure these rights, governments are instituted among them. Property rights, speaking rights, all those things. Fathers literally went out and built governments for this exact purpose. Correct. Now it's getting out of control. Right. Yeah, LA, do you wanna hop in on this? The gender work coming up in 2020? Ever seeing us, Clay? Yeah, and I know we're talking about being led to slaughter and the shit has to hit the fan. I think what's going to emerge as a result is a return to religion. I think, and I know for a fact that our ancestors used stories and used metaphor and used religion to re-league man with our true leader. You know, we're talking about fallen people, you know, Donald Trump or Raven Ron Paul. We're putting all of our hopes, dreams, wishes and belief in the religion of government. That's really what has happened. And as America has become more secular, we've become more radically religious about this war of dust. So it may be the right thing for us to be led to slaughter so that we'd be led back to the creator, to our God, to our meaning, to what the patriarchs of old understood and delivered to young men, which was meaning. Why? What are you here for? What are you doing? And what is the big picture of this all? What are you gonna do before you die? You're asking me what am I doing? No, it just comes to mind as a thought. It's like, no matter what time you were born in human history, now or 50,000 years ago, you're gonna die someday. Every single man sitting here is gonna die. Who knows when? Tonight, tomorrow, 50 years from now, it's gonna happen. So the mission and purpose comes to mind with that. Right, we have no mission but to consume. We're taught how to be really good consumers and to vote for the best slave master. So we have, shit-hitting the fan has to happen here and here first. And we've got the, when we become disillusioned enough that we can not comply and live a life of civil disobedience and in the way the founders expected to take individual responsibility for ourselves, for our families, for our local government, state government and then it goes from the individual integration to the integration of the world. What we're doing is looking out there and saying, they need to fix this, they're wrong. We need that guy as opposed to going from the inside in and say, align myself with my truth, be a husband with my wife, a father with my children, generative with my community and then working out this way. So we'll have, this will all have, this illusion is we're all living in the fucking clouds and this is just one more example of us living in this transcendent, make-believe cloud, it all has to crumble for us to come back home. And I think that's when we'll start rebuilding. I think you're right. I think you're right and I'll tell you why I think you're, well, of course I'm writing a book about this right now, but prior to the sexual revolution, what did we have to keep, well, as checks and balances or as a buffer against the worst aspects of hypergamy or the worst aspects of male, you know, male's sexual imperatives, we had religion, we had social stigma. Like I've made this comparison a lot. My mother-in-law comes from a society or social order that was pre-sexual revolution. So when a woman had a child at a wedlock, they would take that child and put that child away or that kid away and they would have the kid and they'd give it up for adoption, but it was a social stigma, so much so that the family would bring shame on the family, we don't have that anymore. In fact, we encourage single motherhood to the point. Celebrate, celebrate. Yeah, we celebrate, so we celebrate, we celebrated the abortion decision just recently. They were cheering for this, okay? But why is that? Because those checks and balances are no longer there anymore, they're gone. And that's- They don't suffer the consequences. I mean, these consequences were life and death. They were dying. Yeah, you could. And then, you know, you can say what you want to about Muslim cultures right now, but they have their women in check because they still have those checks and balances as part of that culture and as part of that religion. And that's one of the things that the Migtales say, well, you know, it's all gonna go to hell, but it's gonna be the Muslims who take over because they already have that in place because they're aligned and they know where they are in the universe. And if you have a child at a wedlock, well, that might be an honor killing for you or that might be some kind of stigma or some kind of social disgrace. So, you know, if women know that there are consequences for those actions and men know that there are consequences for their own actions, they're going to behave in such a way that you're not gonna have the kinds of social ills that we have today in a feminine primary social order. So yeah, I agree with you. I think that there will be a return to religion at some point. Whenever there's boundaries and conservatism and rules and commandments. We're already seeing that with the lost boys. It's one of the reasons why Jordan Peterson is such an enigma right now. It's like he just says, you know, stand up straight and put your arms back and wash your penis or something like that. And men want that. That's a direction. It might be some screwball direction as far as I'm concerned, but they want that. They want that direction. They want to have what we call them rudder lists. Well, you give them a rudder at least and they can go where they want to. And people get my book and they have some kind of a man, a Chilton manual. You know, they have some kind of manual that gives them at least an idea. I don't do 12 steps in the rational mail, but I give you the nuts and bolts and I say, here's how you can put the car together. Go put the car together. I'm not interested in making better men. I'm interested in men making themselves better men. And that's where I've always come from. A quick tip to our channel sponsor. Need to wash your Johnson. Talk to the soap. Jordan Peterson probably would approve it, we'll see. Link is in the description. And bodybarber.com, B-A-W-D-Y, barber.com. Close the comments? Yeah, we're going to wrap it up. A few minutes, closing comments, gentlemen. The future absolutely is masculine because there's no viable alternative. I'm going to leave it where it is. You guys have been great. Yes, great job, and I don't. Yeah, we're getting good comments on this one. Solid show, solid feedback from guys in super chats. We just got another one, $20 Canadian. Yes. Shout out. Shout out. I'll read it off real quick, and maybe answer in the chat later. Richard was on Tinder and Bumble for three months, 47 matches, no dates, hypergrom is a bitch, I need to be better. What is your number one recommendation for men in 40s to secure a better woman? Get off at Tinder. That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the fish thing. Get off at Tinder and Bumble. Mealman person. Yeah. Old school. Appreciate Super Chatman 100%. Yeah, we'll answer that. That's easy. That's just chase your own excellence and stop putting women on a pedestal. All right. Men's point of origin, yeah. Agreed. So this has been fun. I think we should do this again sometime. I wish we had more occasion to do this a little bit more often. I'm glad we have this panel and everybody's like local and someone remote, but local. It'll give us an opportunity to get together. We did some cool shit with shotguns. We drove a Lamborghini. We were hanging out with other girls. You're going to pay for his fish, man. Not a big-ass fish. I want to go like offshore, like deep sea. Yeah, you want to go in. You want to go. We need to take you on like a big head boat. Just get in there with the fish. Punch and sharks. Yeah, it was fun. Reel it in, man. It was awesome. She's amazing. I loved it. Yeah, that was good. Maybe that's the reason why we should be getting together. At some point, I'd like to get Donovan in here. I'd like to get Ryan down here. We need to build out a proper studio. We'll get Carl, but we'll put a big old mask on Carl. We need to bring you to some jam nights. Yeah, we need to build a proper studio to continue to do this on a more in-depth level. We're all looking for millions of dollars to build 20 and two. That's why I. It's certainly architects sitting over here for it. It certainly helps if you support with content creation that comes from sponsors that actually value men and masculinity, the stuff we're talking about, a guy that got red pill going through divorce and said, hey, why don't I take a soap product and infuse pheromones in it and give a guy a little bit of an edge, right? I gotta say, people have criticized the soap a lot. I like the guy a lot. They've criticized it. I've seen criticized rich, jewelry. You're showering. You're showering. If you're watching our channels, buy soap from a company that supports what we make. Or buy a shaver from one. Let's put it this way too, though. Scott is a guy who showed up at the convention. Yeah, he put his money where his fucking mouth was. He got in a flight, came to Florida, got a hotel, and came to the convention, talked to the attendees, talked to me, talked to Rich, talked to the speakers. He showed up. A lot of these guys, these haters and losers, they don't show up. No action. All bitching, all talking, no action. Soap is where it's at. Tactical fucked soap. Super soap. Time to set off, check out with RMG. The link's pinned in the description below. There you go. Thanks, gentlemen. Oh, last thing, visit patreon.com slash redmangroup. Check out the links in the description for the Patreon. You can get there for a monthly Q&A. It's private, not on the channel. There's also social media links for the redmangroup to Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, all that stuff. Also, hit the like button on this video if you haven't yet. We have, who knows how many viewers, like a thousand or something. 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