 But you wouldn't pay for it, right? Yeah, I'm Tom knows I'm super into comics, but that is a movie I would have just waited for and I actually watched it at home, but just waited for it for the home release I would saw no need from from anything I saw him that the trailers to go watch it in the theater As opposed to that's because in Wonder Woman's one of those movies where I was on the fence But because of my past exposure to the man of steel Batman versus Superman I was kind of leaning toward well, just wait till it comes out As opposed to oh, I want to see it with everyone else in the movie theater. Yeah So how would you rate Wonder Woman Tom mind-blowing great great Wait, what's the what's the scale again mind-blowing amazing great good. Okay I Think objectively as a movie It's great But I think for what it means for super hero movies and female superhero movies. It becomes amazing Yeah, well for for female superhero movies It might even be mind-blowing right if you're just looking at that slice and for DC It's probably amazing because DC has had so many misses recently. Yeah, I think no I think actually I think it's an amazing. Ah, that's so hard. It's not making it easier merit Well, and my great was my before I thought of the scale and I was like, but wait a minute. What what so I love Gal Gadot I think she kills it. Uh, I I love the mythology and how they handled the amazon part Obviously the no man's land scene is great There but there are some parts of it where I'm like, well, this you know This isn't necessarily an innovative story telling in this part in this part So, you know, that's why I'm like, oh, it's great. I didn't come out of it going. That was amazing But I might have If I were a different person. So I don't know Well, you know, it depends on how you qualify that movie Do you qualify based on entertainment? Do you qualify it more critically based on plot? character development The scale the scale that we're talking about is my emotional reaction not a critical reaction Exactly. I don't think you can dive into all of those elements Roger because if you do then it's very comp the scale doesn't really work anymore It has to be the reason why I bring it up. We have got to start the show because we have so much and I can tell we're We're getting too into this wonderful conversation. I'm hiding them All right, uh, sorry. That's hard to play the heavy. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Here we go Daily tech news show is powered by you. Thank you so much If you actually aren't supporting the show yet, you can take care of that find out more at daily tech news show.com slash support This is the daily tech news for monday june 5th 2017 i'm tom mera We have got lots to deal with today and thankfully patrick beija is in on a monday Veronica had to move to tuesday and patrick's gonna be in here to talk about all the stuff out of apples W w dc Announcement, how did you survive patrick? Wait? I thought apple. I w w. I thought it was wonder woman What are we? Oh, you just watched wonder woman again. I see. Well, that could be fun, too I thought it was great, but um the w w dc Keynote interestingly was longer than that wonder one movie It was kind of interesting as well I I actually was surprised that I enjoyed myself At a few parts of that keynote. Yeah, I thought the google announcement at io was a breakneck pace But apple was pretty breakneck too, even though it was two and a half hours long It moved most of the time there are there were fewer times than usual where I just felt like I was They were wasting time or taking too much time. They packed in the announcements In fact, let's start with a quick summary of the things you should know About w w dc Apple started by announcing amazon prime video coming to apple tv and integrating with the apple tv tv app That's happening later this year. They didn't give us a date They then spent the next two and a half hours talking about new features in ios 11 Including an augmented reality developer kit called ar kit peer-to-peer payments and an apple cash card in iMessage A redesigned app store as well as drag and drop and file system management for the ipad There's also a new ipad the 10.5 inch ipad pro starting at 649 dollars MacBook pros and iMacs got a spec refresh. They now have cabi lake processors inside And a new iMac pro Is coming later this year with xeon processors and radion vega graphics. That should arrive in december for 4999 dollars And the pa stif resistance the home pod is apple's new smart speaker with siri built-in That's coming in december for 349 dollars patrick and i are going to dive into More details on these announcements in a few moments, but if you had to summarize it in five words patrick What would you say? five words So many things to discuss. That's absolutely right. All right. Here are some more top stories Former oculus founder palmer lucky has a new startup working on surveillance technology for national borders and military bases and the like The system uses lidar and infrared sensors to detect things mostly humans But also it could detect drones, you know unmanned aerial vehicles moving through restricted areas Lucky claims the system would save taxpayer dollars while keeping troops and citizens safe I am so divided on my comments on palmer lucky But i think it's probably best That i don't comment too much. Well, you got to separate the personal right whatever you think of him His personal opinions and whatnot. This is an interesting direction to go With with a startup. It's not what i would have guessed uh from a guy who found out to us Yeah, and and it seemed for a moment that uh after having left facebook with everything we know Um, he might spend a lot of time spending his money in ways that might be the most Responsible ones or at least that's the air that we sort of perceived around him and uh apparently He is back to work fairly quickly after having left facebook. So yeah, maybe we misjudged and Working on a serious project, right? Yeah Nick k reports amazon and apple have joined Foxconn's bid to acquire toshiba's nan flash memory manufacturing business Foxconn faces resistance as japan's government would prefer a japanese buyer Foxconn also recently acquired japan's sharp electronics So yeah, amazon and apple would like to have an in on a supplier of these parts So that's why they're willing to throw in some cash Foxconn needs to build up a lot more cash If they're going to be able to throw enough money at japan to let them buy another japanese company at this point So they're pulling out all the stops And it's you know, the other aspect of this is concentration It's getting kind of crazy how concentrated all of the Mobile manufacturing business. Well, not just mobile, but it's it's used mainly in mobile devices Are we're seeing it's I wonder I don't know that industry enough But I'm getting enough hints that I'm starting to to wonder if that concentration isn't starting to become an issue You know or might become an issue in the near future Well, apple is notorious for locking up supply chains on low yield parts And I can't imagine that anyone besides amazon who's in on this deal Is going to be pleased at them having even more leverage on something. Yeah, and we've also heard that some of these luck ups were Causing issues to nintendo for the manufacturing of the nintendo switch for example, so Good news for morse law. IBM samsung and global foundries announced the world's first five nanometer silicon chip process It's the first chip to use horizontal gate all around transistors. You'll see them abbreviated as gaa And and if you're familiar with finfet, which is what the current like 12 nanometer processes use This is gaa fet or gaa fet They're using gaa fet in combination with extreme ultraviolet lithography or e uv That can make the chips as small as three nanometers when you combine the two So they've got a five nanometer chip. They think they can get it down to three A five nanometers alone would offer a 40 performance boost if you keep power consumption the same or you can go the other way And get a 75 drop in power consumption if you keep the performance the same They can squeeze 30 billion transistors on a 50 square millimeter chip. That's up from 20 billion Transistors on a seven nanometer process. So this is good news For the ability to keep squeezing more transistors on chips But really seriously 2021 mure's law like for sure this time we're certain it is going to end in 2021 I mean, this is incredible. Does it does it mean tom? Please tell me Does it mean that we're finally after this one going to reach the limits of mure's law? Who knows right they've been predicting the death of mure's law since the 80s Right and there's there's because every time you say well, you know with finfet Finfet hits a limit and then you can't go past five nanometers and then somebody's like well, what about gga a fat And like wow, you can't make that you can't make that practical Well, ibn samsung a global founders just figured out a way to make it practical So there's always somebody working on a new way. I feel if you ask my gut my gut feeling is That mure's law Will be unnecessary before it dies in other words We will find a way where the number of transistors on a chip is no longer relevant to computing power Before we reach the limit of people's ingenuity and and how to get around it After attacks in london this weekend uk prime minister therisa may we don't pronounce it the same way in french and so i had a small block in her on her name Called for international agreements that regulate cyberspace to prevent the spread of extremist and terrorism planning May has previously supported backdoors for domestic encryption And facebook director of policy simon millner said we do not allow groups or people that engage in terrorist activities Or posts that express support for terrorism So this brings up the whole you know backdoor In encryption debate again. We've covered that quite a bit on daily tech news show We really don't have time today to go into it again But it seems as if The prime minister is saying she would like to revive that debate and the short version of the debate is When you put a backdoor into encryption, especially regionally like just in the united kingdom It means that the folks who you're trying to shut down will just go use other tools in other parts of the world Because you can't stop math and encryption is just math And you've created a weakened product that could lead to a vulnerability for law abiding citizens Who would be forced under your law to use them? It is surprising that given what we've seen About hacking in the past year or so This is still a topic of conversation and I'm sure there is some genuine concern. I mean there is some genuine concern But maybe some genuine intent on the part of the uk government But it also feels like a Saying something just to be able to say something and to to appear Yeah, that's possible to appear strong But facebook google twitter a lot of them have responded to this saying We are working hard to make it not a safe space for discussions And I have mixed feelings about that on the one hand. I also don't want This to be a place where people can exchange information on how to blow me up Or other people But at the same time if you drive them out of there, they will go find other places To discuss these things and to spread propaganda. So I think it's a more complex issue than just shutting them down on platforms but This is maybe the you know, maybe this is just a political move which said hey, we're going to revive that encryption debate unless You do more to crack down On posting. Yeah, that doesn't it doesn't I mean who knows but it doesn't feel like that and also Every one I've seen uh has a very hard time connecting this specific attack to You know anything that would be improved by backdoors Uh of the type she's talking about so but again, as you said, it's a very Complicated in long debate that we don't have time to dive into I'll tell you what though if you want to finish on a positive note, uh, the uh, the one love for manchester, uh concert was brilliant Uh, I have still blown away and I said this on twitter that the response to someone bombing a concert was to put on an even bigger and even better concert And and that that's a good response I think I do think regardless of on where you fall on these issues and we're veering a little bit away from tech here, but I think everyone would agree. We do have a lot of discussions about the dangers Of terrorism and the negative aspects of it and certainly it's hard to talk about positive things, but I do think that terrorism Terrorism's main weapon is to breed fear So one of the weapons we should use more than we currently are and I think it's changing a little bit is To I know it's hard to say but it'll almost laugh in the face of that fear And I think it can it's not just It can be effective Of course has to be accompanied by a lot of police work a lot of you know actual It's not a simple issue. Of course, uh, but yeah, I mean live streamed on twitter I mean, when have you seen twitter facebook live youtube live like the bvc? Like everybody just willingly sharing their live stream around that was pretty amazing Hey, folks If you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com You can also get it as an amazon echo flash briefing or on the anchor app Go check out the anchor app. It's got annie gauss and scott johnson and jeff canada and myself all on there at anchor dot fm All right, my summary of the w w dc is apple wanted to be sure you know It has a lot going on with machine learning They were working it into every single announcement that they could make an argument to work it into And it's committed to professional users They were bending over backward to combat this perception that they don't care about high end pro users They talked about final cut pro x. They talked about doing, you know high end graphics work There was pro pro pro thrown around all over before we get to talking about the home pod Which I think is the first of the announcements we want to get into. Do you have a high level reaction like that? Um, yeah, the machine learning definitely It's not a product or one thing that we can point to but uh, you know, I think I'm not sure how I mean, certainly it was intentional that they talked about it But it does seem like it's just embedding itself in everything that everyone in the tech space is doing So it's kind of reassuring for people who root for apple to see that they are using that technique But I wouldn't go so far as to say that they are Artificially mentioning it more than They would otherwise it's just that that's you know, the way things are done in many areas now Yeah, it's a matter of of emphasis If you will Let's let's talk about the home pod. So speaking of emphasis They were emphasizing Music, which I thought was a very clever way to pitch the home pod because what they're identifying is Well, the google home has decent sound, but it doesn't always work great And it's not perfect for that and the amazon echo speaker. Well We all know that's a very bad speaker and the audio files tend to pick on the amazon echo speaker So they really leaned into that they talked about seven speaker array beam forming tweeters Four inch upward-facing woofers the a8 chip that can do real-time acoustical modeling and audio beam forming and multi-channel echo cancellation So they they were showing like we have this really good quality sound that is important to us And we've got this intelligence with siri in there that can pick the perfect music for you And it can stream it throughout the house to different speakers if you want an apple tv can control it Oh, and you you can do news and stocks and sports and our podcasts That is exactly how it felt. You know, it's like all of those things that you're describing. I'm sure for a music music file It's gonna sound really cool, but essentially it's like yeah, it's a good speaker. We get it like awesome great and that as You know, I was saying earlier. It's not intentional I think that they pushed in machine learning in their different product announcements in For this one. I'm certain they shaped the way they announced it very specifically to To to convey to the audience We're not doing the same thing as the other ones We're like, this is about music and then towards the end. Oh, and by the way, it's also a virtuoso I mean, we're not gonna limit it if you want to do this other stuff, right? It is siri after all Uh, but I clever clever way to set expectations though. Absolutely definitely, but I don't think the the main This is a way of getting siri in your home I think in a way that maybe prepares it for the future or that will you know, Hopefully if siri manages Render the same services that uh The the amazon echo or the google home does so it's not like this is just a music thing and It's the other things on the side. It's really It's really that product from apple So they're kind of trying to pull one over us and and saying this is yes It is better at music, but it's a home assistant. It's not right exactly because they talked a lot about home kit And the fact that the home pod acts as a home kit bridge And you can control your home kit devices with your iphone if you have a home pod On the other end. So it is in a sense a hub for a smart home But I get where if they position it as hey, here's a smart speaker like amazon echo People will say well, I already have one of those or I already I already like the google home I don't think siri's that great compared to uh, you know the other ones. So You know if they push position it as a smart home, then it sounds complicated to a lot of people like oh I don't know if i'm ready for a whole smart phone home. I don't really have bulbs or any of those ring things But if you say hey, everybody loves music, right By this thing all you're trying to do is get it into people's homes So then you can start showing them what else they can do with it Absolutely, and this is you know Apple's super clever marketing at work and not marketing in the sense that they're uh, you know lying about you about the product to you It is apparently a really great speaker And it is awesome to listen to music and i'm certain that a lot of people are going to be very happy to have it In their home to listen to music, but it's it's still uh, you know showing you what they managed to do is For most people this is not going to sound like a me too product and that was really hard to that was the key Yeah, because I I guarantee they're going to be audiophiles criticizing this and showing why it's not as good of a speaker Is apple wants you to think it is compared to high-end speakers out there But that's not going to matter to a lot of people either all it's going to matter is that they're like oh music thing Yeah, I like the musics and this one and this one objectively sounds better When I play the three side by side, so What do you think about the price 349 dollars? Two colors white or space gray shipping in the us uk and australian december Another another clever bit of positioning where they mentioned a bunch of higher prices before they came out with 349 Yeah, that was a little bit more transparent. No, this this 349 dollars is a fair price I think it might be slightly on the high side, but it's it's not unreasonable It's certainly not a bargain though Yeah, yeah, no, it's not but if it is if one of them is enough to Make to fill one of your rooms with High quality music as they're implying not, you know the best music in the world But high quality music It seems like a decent investment to have music in your home because it is true, you know when you think about it We don't have any devices anymore that can do like you can have a portable speaker But there's not like the one product that you want and for people in the apple ecosystem You can now have music in your home again. How does did it ever work before that thing? It was sonos it was sonos before but but it wasn't voice activated So I mean that's that's kind of what they've done here Uh and sonos is in the amazon voice services system And I would expect them to come out hard with it built in if they are going to come out with a voice activated sonos Because that would be the biggest competition here And then would sonos disappear from apple stores everywhere? Yeah, I mean Sonos is having cold sweats. I think it with this announcement. I they knew it was coming But yeah, I no one thought that they would push the music thing as hard so Sonos has been I believe mainly a product for apple People who want a music solution. Maybe they're big on android as well, but it seems all of my music Loving apple friends are you know saying how awesome sonos sonos is or or was I think they're they're in trouble Let's go to ipad We get the 10.5 inch display that have been rumored with the 40 smaller bezel Not quite the same size as the 9.7 inch ipad But pretty close and still only a pound They made a lot out of the 600 nits of brightness in hdr video and and calling the 120 hertz refresh rate pro motion Instead of just saying it has double the refresh rate But it is a it is a solid Tablet and yet it is a tablet. This is got usb 3 fast charging. It's still lightning It's got the same camera as the iphone 7. It's got an a10x fusion processor But it's going to cost you $649 for a 64 gig version 749 for 128 and 949 for 512 They've got they've got a much bigger version now 10 and a half inch model The the 12.9 inch model will cost you $799 or 899 or 1099 And of course there's lte which makes it even more expensive order today shipping next week So these things are here what made it more relevant because I think a lot of people It wasn't a ton of clapping when they said hey, it's a new ipad pro when they started talking about what ios 11 will do On the ipad pro that's when it started to turn some heads because now you can call the dock up No matter what app you're in Uh now you can pull an app from the dock and put it in the side now you can drag and drop things like URLs Uh and text and images. It's starting to act like a computer and granted every time they do something like this I I like to poke fun at the fact that hey all of these features that we had in 1989 are finally showing up on tablets Well now they're they're showing up in enough ways That it's starting to feel like a functional computer and and the biggest part of that was the files system so nested folders uh support for iCloud dropbox one drive and more And the ability to just drag and drop things into files and see a file system Not as robust as on your desktop by any stretch, but man that has been something that has bugged me for a long time I don't know about you I mean, yes for sure. The thing is it seems that with this update. They are Uh a lot of things to say about this, but they are addressing one of the issues that we have on ipads when we try to do Uh work. I don't want to even say serious work, but work Um and that's getting stuff from one app to the other like getting stuff around is a nightmare on the ipad you will need like Seven or eight steps to copy something somewhere else when on an actual desktop. It's a couple of clicks So that is incredibly important. I think to keep moving the ipad forward um and for it to start to be considered as a Valid work tool Um and beyond that you're absolutely right the ipad itself the hardware is kind of yeah, okay, it's a Different ipad, but what really makes it shine is this uh ios and It it it's really surprising at least it surprised me That apple is still going, uh Full steam ahead on the ipad I think it would have been easy at least that's what I did uh to conclude that well, you know The ipad has its place, but it's kind of okay. It's not amazing. It's not doing amazing numbers wise It's doing well and you know the ipad business is probably three times the business of any other big company But still it's not the iphone. It's not the huge Read the category. It's not growing. I mean there's the biggest part of it is the yeah, it's not a growth area right now But they're still pushing it They're pushing it on the hardware side and they're pushing it very significantly here on the software side And again, you mentioned it, but it is significant updates on the software side. It makes it It brings it again once I mean when you look at the way it works now um, it feels almost like a desktop, but It's not the dumb down the desktop option, uh, which some uh have been going with it's the push up the uh multi touch Version of a of a device. So my point is it's still a multi touch first device and If they keep at it like this, they might finally whatever 10 years after the introduction of the first device Reach that goal of making it a serious machine and and the fact that they had so many updates with this Uh, uh version of ios I didn't expect that did you? No, I didn't uh, and in fact Let's real quickly uh new new keyboard covers. There's a leather sleeve coming back with built-in storage for the apple pencil They added some features to apple pencil Uh, trying to take some shots at the surface pen Uh mark up anything you can print searchable handwriting and notes that is kind of nifty But yeah, the the whiz bank ios I'm interrupting just for a second, but we're maybe we're not doing a good enough job at explaining productivity wise It's the a ton of tiny little things that will make your work day Easier will make your life easier as you're trying to work things like on the keyboard if you flick one of the keys it uh prints You know, it types a the symbol on top of the key like for a number or something like that You don't have to switch the keyboard or things like when you go to the App switcher the apps that are in the history are groups of apps So you would have you know the two apps that you work usually waves uh that are available and you can Tap on it and it comes back so you can alternate between groups of apps All of this is going to make it a lot easier to work. So sorry interrupted, but I know I was that's all right along with what I was going to say Which is we had a lot of more features announced for ios in general for the iphone But none of them nearly as compelling as the stuff we were getting With ios 11 and those were some of the compelling things that you're talking about. I mean overall on the ios side um You know they're making the siri voice more natural as I mentioned There's person-to-person payments now in apple pay And they have this apple cash card where you can store that money and you can do whatever you want You can send it store it transfer it um They made a lot about the fact that siri is now learning on device So it will it will learn about you and store it only on the device But it can sync it to your other devices apple never sees that stuff So a lot of privacy protection as you mentioned the carplay Do not disturb Social features so ping is back for apple music And and I guess probably the two biggest were the app store redesign and the augmented reality I think that's a good thing Yes, however before we get to those I do want to mention uh the natural sounding siri Was mind-blowing to me mind-blowing. Yes It was I mean, we only got two sentences But it felt maybe I didn't hear right. Uh-huh. It felt like a real person speaking. Okay It's not blown away. I was like, oh, I guess that's kind of better It's well, maybe maybe I didn't hear it right It's a funny way until it again, but it fell to me like science fiction. It felt like a actual person speaking So to me, that's that's big the apple pay. I also think it's pretty big because they're creating their own card their own cash card, which is if it fit effectively making them into a bank And it bypasses other banks that aren't working with them on apple pay And makes you able to use apple pay even if you're a bank or your visa card or whatever Doesn't uh Is incompatible which is a big problem in some countries including france We only have like one or two banks that works with apple pay. So I'm wondering how big this is going to be in certain regions And probably not the the less developed countries in africa or these kinds of areas The problem is heavy. Anyway, most people have android in the world not just in exact countries. Yeah, yes, but Uh, a lot of people that do have uh, apple products can't use apple pay because of the lack of corporations of the banks So that might be a solution for that now, um You were talking about the ar stuff, right? Uh, well the app store redesign and the augmented real right App store redesign is long overdue. I think the really interesting aspect of it beyond the Cooler looking stuff is the fact that it it's actually Well, there are two things first There's a today tab which is reminiscent of the apple music today tab now We know why they hired all those journalists, right because they're writing these these write-ups of the apps And that's the thing there's stuff to go check out on the app store There's, uh, you know news tips like stuff that might interest you And then they also separated the games section into its own tab which Makes a huge amount of sense because obviously games are the main category for Apps and it was kind of polluting everyone else's Everyone else's app Ranking and and so now it's like two completely separate app stores Almost there's a game app store and an apps app store um and then for the ar stuff I thought it was incredibly impressive especially when they showed a demo with a Just an ipad meaning one camera and not two with the iphone seven And the way it detected the surface was Rock solid like super stable and they even had like dynamic lighting of a lamp On a table that would light up the physical like the virtual light would light up the physical table in your screen However, it's an incredible tech demo. I see no practical use for it. Well, it's a fishing expedition They're throwing out a our kids and saying hey devs all the devs in the audience Uh, this is what it can do got any ideas Here you go I'm not sure that's the only thing they're doing It might be uh preparing the terrain for a potential device that is dedicated to a Oh, certainly. No, that's the next step after that. You're absolutely right You throw it out to the devs and see what they can come up with and then that helps you formalize a strategy to launch A device which has definitely been rumored that they're working on right exactly So I don't think consumers are going to have any use of that technology on their iPhones and iPads beyond the you know ikea put up your couches and and and uh furniture in this room and take a picture to see what it would look like Uh, you know the last thing before we move off ios I do like the airport maps that they have and I know you can get those from other places But it looked really well designed. So that might make me try apple maps in an airport potentially It's getting better. It's it's not quite at the level of other maps And the other thing is like if I use google maps, uh, and then I go to my chrome browser Or I go to my android device my pixel c or my phone android phone All my google maps history and in favorites and I could send routes from one to the other if I use apple maps I have to be using an apple device the same problem with all of this stuff. Um All right mac os high sierra Faster safari new split view for mail some some cool editing tools and views for photos Uh big things to me were apple file system being replaced Or i'm sorry hfs being replaced by apple file system, which has native encryption and crash protection Uh, and the external graphics, which we're going to talk to peter wells here in a second Uh, also something that he liked and roger chang, uh liked as well the ability to natively support external graphics processors Yeah, I'm not as impressed as some by this and that might be because I'm looking at it by through this the prism of gaming um the problem Of so just to be clear. This is going to be great for pros for people who have a professional use of of These things they're they made a lot of noise about Developing vr and these kind of things on mac Which is going to be possible now, which is great But for games if some people think well, you know, I'll have the the Mobile machine I take with me when I go somewhere on the plane and I come come home and I can play with my External graphics card the problem with the mac lineup is that there aren't enough Devices that have a dedicated uh discrete graphics card to motivate developers to put their games on the platform And that is not going to change this so this is targeting pros This this is goes back to my theme of targeting professionals who are like, you know, I just for my job I need to plug in an external graphics card. Well now you can Yeah, but I mean they made a lot of noise about metal 2 and how much faster it is for games and for this and for that It's still no it's not going to change the situation. They need in order to bring back You know game developers they would need to include way more discrete graphics card in their machines And they're not doing that to Sufficient extent we also spent time. Yeah. Oh, roger. What do you get to say? I was going to say for the pro thing and especially with metal They essentially combined what was open gl but also open cl was this compute language, which is basically doing General processing on the gpu. So not maybe graphics specific, but probably something that is a high floating point computation intensive and so you can kind of shunt that off to say like an external gpu that can crunch it and I think they're using Games because that's what people can most easily visualize and say ooh ah and they get it versus like hey, you can do like, you know You know a double level precision when you're in your CAD program And you don't have to worry about real-time Render or don't have to worry about rendering because it happens all real time because you have this super fast gpu connected to your laptop Which previously if you wanted something like that, you needed to buy a very big very heavy And very loud pc laptop to do So, I mean it's cool. And also the side benefit is for intel is that this just reinforces and legitimizes Thunderbolt as the the go-to port for basically offloading high bandwidth devices because it's essentially just a pc i express a bus On the on the side of your computer instead of inside it where you have to open it up, but that's just right two cents Good I'd say that's at least three cents That's that that's good stuff. I'm going to skip through the new iMacs There's there's some spec upgrades, but it's mostly the fact that they put cabby lake Into the iMacs same with the macbooks. These are all shipping today It's the kind of thing you used to see just pushed out the same day as the announcement But not mentioned, but the fact that they you know, they're giving the macbook air a speed bump And everybody's like, ah the macbook air isn't dead, but that's kind of cool And there was a price cut uh on the 13 inch uh macbook pro With uh without the touch bar that went down to 1299 But the star of the show I think was the iMac pro Uh 27 inch space gray 5k display coming in december for $5,000 Ships with an eight core xeon processor, but you can get it configured up to 18 cores Radeon vega graphics available with up to 16 gigabytes of vram 400 gigabytes per second of memory bandwidth If you know what this means, it's impressive 22 teraflops of half precision computing That's big for machine learning if you're into that sort of thing again machine learning professionals And and really that's entirely what this was targeted at was no we don't have a new mac pro Instead we have an iMac pro. Uh, it's a mac pro with a screen built in Basically the only difference is that it's not upgradable. Although, you know, they're uh trash can mac pro. Yeah, yeah, exactly so It's kind of it's coming out of left field, but i'm sort of Wondering if pearls, you know, it seems to me with what I know about all of this and computer stuff Uh, this is an absolutely viable workstation machine and it has the uh, You know the handy form factor, which it's just a all-in-one and it's an incredibly powerful machine I could absolutely see Companies that need that kind of a computing power just figure, you know what? Screw it. We're just gonna buy 10 of them put them in our, uh, you know in our our open space thing for people to Do their computing and we're gonna be fine. They don't need to go with a, uh, you know Mac pro or any other of those things it seems like it answers those questions, which is unexpected for an iMac To do that. Yeah, it's it's weird to me and I know it can drive external monitors But just as a form factor, it's weird to have that monitor that's built into it that it's an all-in-one That's doing this But if you get past that or if that doesn't matter to you Four thunderbolt three ports 10 gigabit ethernet built in, you know starting at eight core zion processor Like it is an incredibly powerful machine. Look at the specs. That's what matters for these kinds of questions Uh, that's what matters and it has the specs so It kind of is like it it it's it is true to its name It's an iMac, but it's a pro machine like Who who who that doesn't need that kind of computing power? Would buy this no one you specifically buy this because you want a lot of computing power So yeah, it's a it's a very capable pro machine Uh, and then the big thing with watchos 4 and they had a lot of announcements around watchos But uh, you can scroll vertically through a new dock of both recent apps and siri cards So siri will figure out what you need to know And put it on your watch so that you know when you're in the airport, you know, you're you're Boarding pass shows up, but it'll also tell you if you need to make a phone call within a half hour all that kind of stuff New watch faces cards. Yeah, exactly. Um, I thought the watch faces of woody jessie and buzz from toy story Those are nifty the kaleidoscope one was trippy Probably the thing that impressed me the most was the nfc connection With 85 of the gym equipment that's coming out starting this fall now granted You're going to go in a lot of gyms especially in hotels and it's not going to work because it's older equipment But the newer equipment as it gets replaced It's kind of cool that you can just have a watch on Pair it with your gym equipment and then the heart rate gets sent to the equipment You don't have to wear that funky band and all of the data being collected by the equipment gets sent to your watch for the activity monitor Yeah, it seems like uh, first of all nfc, they're also going to enable nfc reader in the iphone which is also quite big But um, and and all the android users are looking at us going like um, but yeah, the this it seems like they're they They didn't create a new explosive Explosive growth category with the apple watch but They made a solid space for themselves in that category And it seems like they're again kind of pushing it slowly, but surely and for this specifically apple has enough oomph that it might become the de facto Uh device that people are going to use when they Go to the gym and care about all of these things. It's it's just you know It becomes a kind of a standard for this merry makers report Last week Emphasize that wearables and the health market are really the two big things And so what apple's doing here is one pillar of that health market is fitness They're emphasizing that because they already have it, but I would expect health kit To be integrated more and more into the watch as well You didn't hear i'm talking about a lot of things outside of health and fitness Here and surprisingly not enough about health uh this time around I expect them to say more about that in the future Uh, and as we mentioned at the top of the show the only tv os announcement was amazon's video app coming to the tv os But they did say we will have more about apple tv later this year, so I mean come on it's got to be at least a 4k if not an ultra high def version, right? That's the difference between 4k and ultra high def. Well, you get the uh high dynamic range Oh the hr. Yeah, of course. It's going to be 4k hr. Yes for sure Uh, thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.redit.com especially helpful on days like today where we know the bulk of the Stuff's going to be apple, but we want to find out those other stories to put in there as well So we appreciate that Got a chance right before the show to chat with peter wells. Who's actually at the w w dc Here's what we said, so thankfully through the magic of time travel Peter wells is joining us from the actual apple event. How you doing peter? I'm not too bad I'm a little bit tired. It was a what a 17 hour discussion just then but yeah, no, I'm feeling okay. What about you? Yeah, this discussion was longer than your flight from australia. I have a feeling uh Patrick Beja and I have just gone through most not all of the details That they just announced and I know you got a chance to put your hands on some of these devices What what have you gotten to see? Yeah, so they've got everything on display. Um, so I've played around with the the new ipad. I think the the ipad to me Was the 10.5 inch ipad was the the highlight of what I've played with. Um, yeah I mean everything else it's hard to tell that you're looking at new products I mean the the new MacBooks are pretty much the last year's macbook with the new kb lake processor. Yeah, you can't see inside and see the Yeah Indeed indeed, so they did actually show a couple of a new new software that is supporting the touch bar so, uh, you know all those people who assumed the touch bar was a bit of a I don't know. Um, an idea that might have passed its time. Look some people are still developing I saw a photoshop using the touch bar just just a moment ago. So that was fun Um, but yeah for me, I really did think the ipad the 10 10.5 inch ipad was the the nicest of the device This isn't certainly the one I I want to uh, definitely get my hands on first So what about the home pod? Did you get a chance to look at that? It was right at the back of the room It had a gigantic scrum around it. It was very hard to get your hands on and it wasn't playing music So, uh, they spent what a good three hours talking about how it was the the most beautiful sounding speaker You'll ever own which I believe I've heard that from them before but anyway, um, yeah, that's what they said Yeah, yeah, um, so they said all of that and then they weren't actually playing any music on the on the speaker in the demo area So, um, I don't know. I guess we'll we'll find out a little bit more about that one back in december when when it finally ships Not quite ready for playtime Uh, that's that's very interesting to know. Uh, so no demo on that just just a just a chance to look at it It looks like a squat little, uh mac pro with a grill It really does. Yeah, it looks like they're recycling some of their their older mac pros that maybe the ones that had the graphics card issue um, but yeah a bit of a bummer I I did like uh, some of the the other things I mean, I I'm sure you guys have already talked about the do not disturb while driving But I've got to say as an old man. I really love that feature Um, I'm so glad to see that that was one of the highlights of software There was not a lot of software highlights that I saw today Now one of the things that the verge noted in their live blog, uh, is that people were very excited about the iMac pro when it was announced Not terribly excited about the ipad pro when it was announced. Is that the mood you felt? Um, not really. I mean, I was sitting. Uh, I mean at least my twitter Stream was all about the ipad. Um, you know, we were joking today that the ipad The ipad was the winner. I saw one person say the ipad became the president today Um, but yeah, it seemed to be that that was the thing that caught most people's attention that I saw Um, it was interesting actually in the demo area To see just how heavily they were going with vr and ar so those uh demos that they showed on stage They've they've got whole sections of the the hands-on area devoted to the uh, vr and ar I do think the ar is a hell of a lot cooler to play with Vr is still a little bit wonky for me I feel you know, I still don't want to wear one of those giant oculus headsets and but you know Look, it was still great to see oculus plugged into an iMac, which is something I have not seen before in my life Well, fantastic. Uh, thank you so much peter for taking time I know it's super hectic out there and really appreciate you talking to us Always love chatting to you Tom. All right. Cheers. Yeah. Thanks again to peter wells for doing that and patrick to your point about virtual reality and augmented reality They didn't have a lot Yet, but they certainly spending a lot of time Trying to convince the press that they're a vr and ar company by showing it plugged into max I think what they're doing is showing people that they can develop for vr And that this is a viable platform for pros to be used to Uh, yeah to just make that development because they understand it's it's very important at the moment And they don't want to seem like they're left behind I don't think you know Anytime soon we're going to see uh headsets being plugged for by consumers for actual use I'll tell you what though as we wrap up here. My final thoughts are It did feel a little bit like someone explaining too much at the end of the day Uh, no single announcement Struck me as odd, but the fact that they felt They had to go two and a half hours and talk about a lot of hardware at what is usually a very Exclusively software focused event. You know in the past few years. It's been hey, it's a developers event So we're going to talk about the operating systems for the developers Uh, it felt like and and because it's developers probably this is why they really needed to convince you that We have not forgotten the pros We have not forgotten about, you know, we are on the cutting edge of machine learning And yes, we just saw microsoft and google do their big announcements and facebook as well at f8 Here's what we've got going on. We're still in this race And that's kind of an unusual feeling from apple which usually doesn't feel like they have to explain themselves to anyone Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I I understand this is the sentiment that a lot of people have expressed I think they just have expanded Their product lines so much That they have to talk about a lot of things and they don't have 15 events every year So you have to put them somewhere. We all know that the main one is in the fall when they present their new iPhones Uh, they might have another one in early in the beginning of the year and they use that for The new macbook pros which a lot of people were eagerly anticipating They're not going to start making, you know, six events a year. So I I do think it makes sense to talk about all of this at this point All right. Well, that is it a little longer Today because we had so much to go through but uh, patrick beige. I thanks so much for for doing this with me today Thank you for having me. 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Someone said ios goes to 11 I think it was tim kook It's a spinal tap reference reference reference Yes, he was making that reference on stage WWDC breaks all the records at the box office Is that a mac os my ios? Tom's gut says Um savings and iphone supreme court of physics upholds morse law That's not really that's kind of misleading I I kind of like home pod. It's an ipod for your home Plus it also does all those other things Yeah um Stop now home pod time I think it should be stop Oh ipada when uh padawan your maturity is almost complete Oh, that is covered The ipad gets siri us Hi gringots WWDC breaks all of the records at the box office confusing the wonder woman Will this company be more lucky this time? Oh, it's palmer lucky. Yeah Have to say we're that as good as that is We are definitely not using a headline that does not relate to WWDC since that is by far the bulk of the show all right, uh Home pod it's an ipod for your home That's your favorite Um Savings and iphone's apple. We heard you like to give us money. So we turn your money into apple money It's too long, but it's too long, but it's pretty funny. Yeah Fox chances you all ain't from around these parts. No japan says that to fox I really want to know if They applied for bank licenses in different countries I would imagine that the the abilities that allow them to do apple pay where they operate virtual credit cards Are what allows them to do uh apple cash, but that is a good question. Like how does that work? Yeah, because it's I think it's kind of an under the radar thing, which It's pretty big. Yeah I mean, there's a different there's a different level of what you can do As a paypal square type thing versus being an actual bank Yeah, I know there's maybe they don't need to do all the other things. Maybe they just need the paypal square thing Because people can do a lot of things because they're they're holding it in transit. So to speak Are they the the cash? Yeah, though, that's what paypal does Uh, IOS goes to everything with paypal. What's the difference between? In transit, I don't I know I don't know okay But I know that paypal has different regulations applying to it than like bank of america city bank or something because they're not well with a credit card I don't know. I mean then pay it's confusing because paypal has since started to issue credit cards and stuff So I think they they now fall under it, but when the original paypal system Uh was around right IOS goes to 11 No, it's not even IOS that was the impressive thing Yeah, I mean, that's a good IOS title, but I would like a more inclusive title. WWDC goes to 11 That doesn't make any sense All the announcements WWDC colon all the announcements Home pod it's an iPod for your home. Maybe yeah, but that's not any more inclusive than saying IOS goes to No, but I was I don't think it's more important than IOS I have an unspoken train of thought since I said that which was like Yeah, but trying to be inclusive is going to be boring and the most important announcement was probably the home pod Oh, it's an iPod for your home I'm curious to know what the frequency response on that speaker is Yeah, I'm going to bet that there are going to be a lot of people who know what they're talking about critiquing the home pods actual fidelity I mean, it's the way it's designed makes sense, but you're not going to get a very I got I I speak from ignorance when I say this, but I got a very boze feeling from their demonstration Yeah, boze is really good at making sure the the the mids are emphasized and so people kind of Feel very impressed, but it's not that's not what you want one and in a high fidelity dent with a speaker with a high dynamic range And all that beam forming and like acoustic sampling You know, see that technology has been around forever It's it was first used with surround sun receivers, right when you had surround sun speakers And instead of you trying to just match it with your ear, you would have a little microphone You put it where you would sit and then you connect it to the receiver It would figure out how to adjust the various levels for each speaker How about apple's still a pro? Yeah It's not funny as a home pod. It's an iPod for your home Yeah, I mean it's kind of It feels like something that apple was really emphasizing So I wouldn't feel It wouldn't feel inappropriate to Talk about apple being pros still, but Well, really they're in the they're in the business of making money. They'll be whatever they need to be No, but you know, there are all of those questions about apple being Oh for they had that whole sit down where they're like, hey journalists, we still care Yeah, so it's definitely part of that We care about money Yeah, Shane has a good idea. We should see if we can get robert on once the home pod Yeah, I know I've been trying to reach out to him and he's respond. He's responded But he hasn't responded to my follow-up questions. It's like, yeah, and then okay, cool. How does this work? I'll ping him again this week It might be busy Or it might be a boy. No, he Shane was saying when the home pod comes out, which isn't going to be till December We can have mom before we should get an audio guy on definitely Um Yeah beamforming is very curious, but um Yeah, it's going to be It's just an odd placement for the subwoofer I think they do that because they want to bounce off and up Mm-hmm into your ear Yeah, because the subwoofer is on top. Is that right? Yeah, which is kind of which is usually the reverse of what you normally want to do It's sub woof bass blow down. It's all supposed to be on the ground Right, I bet you doesn't go below 60 60 Hertz Maybe 50 you try pushing 50 by that it I mean All of that said it's still going to be better than the amazon echo Yeah, yeah, but this is the amazon has to be this is the amazon echo have like, um Well, I guess that means you would have to buy like anything stereo plug Yeah, no the echo dot right you plug it into whatever speaker you want That's amazon's answer. It's like no like the echo speaker than by the dot put it in whatever speaker you feel like I want to put my surround sounds back up But I have a kid that's gonna knock him over and then to collapse on her head. Yeah, you don't want that That's probably not good I don't know if I want a home pod is the thing I and and and it's it's it's system lock in for me. I have an amazon echo And as bad as that speaker is it's the speaker that's in my house already Do I want to spend 349 dollars not only to get a different speaker because it's better But also to have a different assistant and a different ecosystem that you know All the stuff I set up on the echo isn't going to work on that's the problem with smart speakers for me right now I will only buy a smart speaker when it comes attached to a moving robot chassis Well, that's just an entirely different product Exactly It needs to follow basically you're just saying you don't want a smart speaker I want an r2d2 is what I want top. Yeah, you want an entirely different thing instead of a smart speaker I want a robot that can look my kid in the eye It's one one red eye into two into two human eyes Stare her down The the dome pops off and serves you snacks Or like cold beverage Yeah, see it that would be a totally killer product It's pretty jabber the hud of you Do do do oh wait that was that canteen Home pod that's the problem with the sale barge is it did not have a catchy song Yeah Also it was sailing over the sands who takes a trip over sand dunes You know that's Huh, well, you don't want to be him in a period. Yeah, that's why you sail over them No, it just seemed like they seemed like you know something you would do is a leisure activity I don't know look if you got to get out to the sarlacc pit. It's probably the best way So is the sarlacc pit essentially just the ass end of tattooing? Ah, bum bum bum get it. Hmm. I think I get it I was about to say bluetooth spear. There is no end There's no point. It's a ball, but do you make ball points? Oh We're tired. We're so tired I am impressed You're impressed I He was impressed into a service pressment They don't do that anymore. Do they Pressment I still want to hear what patrick was impressed by Uh, the joke Oh Yeah This is a rigging endorsement there top. Oh That was I was expecting that's all Uh, biocast say cut the stream cut the stream We are going to cut the stream actually You guys have anything I'm it's going to take a while for this to export and upload so um And I know it's getting late for you patrick any any last thoughts wonder woman home pod I wish I had found a valid acronym for w w dc which started with wonder woman Wonder woman Doesn't care wonder woman destroys I don't know wonder woman digs computers He did in the uh in her third season with linda carter She dealt with a super computer named ira Wonder woman develops Currencies It's our new pay payment app See everyone knows that song almost everyone knows that song I played that song and then the new theme back to back on when we were driving over to the theater last week It was interesting to hear them Back to back there's some similarity somehow even though they're very different They both feel like wonder woman somehow How do they make you feel? You're not helping leon. Why is that? Turtle is on its back But you're not helping roger. Why is that? Because I wanted to cook turtle. It's probably the fastest way to cook it You know you see I always knew roger was a replicant Why wouldn't you well technically it's a tortoise, right? It's like a turtle. It's like a turtle. What's a turtle? What's the difference between a turtle? It's like a turtle What's the difference everything you're saying is feeling the void contest? That's all I know so a turtle is semi aquatic A tortoise is land-based No, no a terrapin is a semi aquatic a turtle a true turtles like a sea turtle Is a true turtle and then terrapins are what you like box turtles and stuff and then a tortoise is like a galapagos or Kind of desert dwelling animal Okay All delicious with the right herbs right cooking methods delicious Maybe shea maybe I should invest in a sea turtle for ranch Sorry, I was watching the mailman try to shove all of the advertisements into my mailbox. I'm like just leave it on the ground, dude You know those those flyers junk mailers and sunday samplers Those are what keep the united states post office. It's it business. I know But you know what I I I'm actually pretty impressed overall Since I've moved down here and I have a place for them to dump packages Without carrying too much You do a pretty good job Well depends on where you live Yeah, my last one can't give me someone else's meme mail the uh the carriers here seem to vary Regularly like we don't have the same one for very long like we must be the training route or something Uh and and I can tell when we've got a professional because all the mail goes to the right people Instead instead of my neighbor's mail being mixed with mine and vice versa. I've had that once happened to me once Um, but I can always tell it's a regular mailman because he's always talking on the phone Like he's always this guy is do It's like honestly, I think they're just calling each other. They're just telling like, yeah How's it going on the other side of the city? You're almost done. Let's go get tacos at whatever. I'm in taco sound good All right, I'm gonna go get tacos. Thanks everybody for watching. Hope you enjoy the coverage Uh, let us know what you think and we'll be back tomorrow Oh revoir