 So that is taking everything we're talking about and beginning to transfer it across the board, you know, to everything and what happens is you'll find like the ego was like, okay, go ahead and you can do it with this and this and this, but there's like a, like the old days of the Wild West or the Cowboys or the Karā. You know, what's in the Karā? What's in the Karā is what's being protected, you know, there's a fence. The Karā is a fence. The ego doesn't want certain things out of the Karā because it's out of business with that Karā. Somebody leaves the gate open, it's like, all of the, they're gone. They're roaming, they're free roaming, they're not contained anymore. So you could start to say that as we go deeper into things, you start to see that there's certain concepts that the ego will protect because it made them up to be kept and, you know, and it's because the ego wants to be kept. It doesn't want to be released. Like, for example, relationships. We had interviewed a day and my friend David came across and she's setting up her cameras and she's like, can I, can I ask you people personal questions? And, you know, this is, you know, kind of, this is, it's like, she just looks over YouTube together. Are you two a couple? And she's looking at Francis as Francis is like... Okay? Okay. And then we went on to think, there was another time where she was talking during the interview and she was talking about, she was asking Francis about her mother and there was a discussion that Francis and her mother had a while ago where her mother was like, go on, or from China. There was a scoop thing. How does this actually work? How do you live your life? Like, practically speaking. How do you live your life? Like, do you have a bank account? Is it your money or their money? What is yours and what is theirs? Another question. Like, practically speaking. If you want to go out and buy some clothes, is it yours or theirs? And then at some point out of the mouth came... Listen, I don't think like that anymore. It came from an experience. Now, whether you're talking about relationships or whether you're talking about something as simple as yours and mine. Or mine and theirs. Whether you're talking about a relationship or a person in an organization or a person in the government. Or, you know, whatever, a citizen in the government, he still comes down to what is yours and what is mine. There's still...as long as that seems like a practical question, then you really start to say, wow, I've got some assumptions underneath. Because when we talk about living in divine providence, it's not a matter of changing the form. It's a matter of freeing the mind from those kind of thoughts like that movie Solaris that I use with George Clooney. At the very end when Rhea comes and appears to him at the very end, she says, you know, he says, am I dead? Am I alive? That seems to be a pretty important question on planet Earth. Am I dead or alive? And she says, we don't have to think like that anymore. In other words, there's an experience that transcends, am I dead or am I alive? You know, if somebody was in a car accident and they said, oh, it was a major car accident, that could seem like a pretty practical question. Are they dead or are they...did it kill them or are they still alive? We don't have to think like that anymore. We need to come to purpose as the only choice. We need to come to the life choice of the Holy Spirit and see that the ego is a death wish. People don't really die, cats don't die, dogs don't die, plants don't die. That's a projection of the death wish. The ego in the mind is a death wish. Then it projects how the world of duality goes on. Living, dead. You see, those are just categories. Those are just projections of a death wish that wants to keep going. It wants to keep going in your mind. That parasite needs to feed off of your mind, use the power of your mind. God created you with a very powerful mind and the parasite needs something to even seem to exist. And that's the mind's energy. What is a belief? If you withdraw your mind completely from the belief of separation, the belief of ego, it's gone. Jesus says the ego was made by belief and it can be dissolved by withdrawing yourself from it. So you withdraw your mind from the belief and then the belief is no longer. It's not killed. You don't have to go to the sword, machete, get you a little bastard, chop you up into a thousand pieces and kill you. Isn't that the way all the fairy tales go? Kill, how many movies have we seen where it's like there's the evil, the bad guys, the bad entity, the bad alien, the bad force, the bad indisible force, whatever. It's always like try to kill the evil. And that's just not going to work. The ego likes a fight. If you try to kill it, oh, it's having a good time. You've got to have the right magic sword, too. It's always got to be the magic something or other. Otherwise it's not going to kill it. The subject of the course though is that he didn't even say let go of. He said withdraw. And I don't need to be legalistic, but I love the words he uses. Because withdrawing, see letting go is like something I do intentionally. Like an active thing. Oh yeah, really active. But the Gospel of Thomas though, I love it. The whole Gospel of Thomas is two words, be passers by. Isn't that wonderful? That doesn't even, that doesn't sound very active. Be passers by. In fact there's a part of the Course that says the miracle is quiet and quietly does nothing. It looks and waits and watches and touches not. Isn't that wonderful? It's giving us much more of a passive quality of just seeing the false is false. But it takes away this active sense that I kind of do, do. That's where the pressure comes in. Do the lessons right, forgive. Do it right, do it right. And the very assumption that it's a doing puts that edge on it. That really raspy edge, you know, that's guilt. I mean do nothing. Is that there? That's why that comedian said he wasn't a Jehovah's Witness, he was Jehovah's bystander. Physically. The choiceless awareness then is to see that there is no choice. Yeah, it's like the question of are you a couple or are you in relationship? You have an experience where it's like what's the marital status of the number five? It's not that you did and you let it go. Who's the one to let it go? It's actually seeing the impossibility of it. And that's what we can do with the same thing like what is mine and what is yours. There never was a mine or yours. Everyone's so concerned about dividing the pie up in being fair. I want my fair share. What if there never was a fair share? That Jesus devotes a whole section in the Course called the Justice of Heaven. And basically he's saying there is no justice in this dualistic world. Well thank you in hallelujah because how many of us have been justice, freedom fighters, justice, you know. Do it right, make it fair, redo it, make sure that the victims get compensated and so on and so forth. We saw a movie not too long ago, what was it called? America. America, it was called America. It was the telling and the retelling of history. One perspective was kind of a victim perspective of who all had their lands stolen and who all got killed and massacred for this genocide and all this. It was like you could look at history from a victim perspective. It's very dark when you look at everything and who needs to be recompensated isn't it? Or you can just see the impossibility of history in the first place. Jesus says history would not exist if you didn't keep making the same mistake in the present. Oh thank you. I even projected out of my biological mother was a history teacher. So they're talking about reinforcing that, bringing it home with you. When I got to that part of junior high though they wouldn't put me in with my mother's things. One is a mother and another one. In the end you have to start to really let go of the causation because isn't it false causation? False cause-effect relationships that make history what it is. It wouldn't be history if there wasn't this false sense of cause and effect. Oh these people they decided to take this land and they crossed the line. They crossed the line. They were spying, they were living there, they were coexisting. And then they crossed the line. There it is another war caused by something. And it's just starting to see the folly of the whole thing. Modestification with you. I think about Jesus in the Bible when a man came to Jesus and his father died. And he had to get his part from his heritage. And he comes to Jesus and asks him, let them give me my honest part. And Jesus looks around to everybody, am I a divider? Right, exactly. Who says that I am? It really comes down to the idea that we're whole. You were talking about Bill Setford while he was talking about being wrong or telling a brother. Isn't there a line somewhere where it says you never tell a brother that they're wrong? Yeah, don't correct a brother. And he's always right because he's the Christ. You see what it would take. You would have to go past opinions. You would have to go back past this idea of specifics, this idea of persons even to come to. And he's always right because he's the Christ. It's a mind state. And that's so beautiful. Because in the early years the students would take something from the Course and they would come to me. They would all get all fired up about something they'd read in the Course. And one time they all came around me and they were like, what does he mean by this? He's ridiculous. I said, who's ridiculous? Jesus is ridiculous. I said, what's he said now? And what they were all so upset about was he had one line in there that said, no one can be angry at a fact. And they were like all hot about that but no one can be angry at a fact. And so I said, don't you see the obviousness of that statement? And they said, no. I said, can't you see the truth of that statement? And they said, no. So then they had another question for me. They said, what is a fact? It's good to come right back with what is a fact. They said, God is a fact and Christ is a fact. Follow me. Follow me. No one can be angry at a fact. And it's always a misperception that gives rise to the experience of anger. You have to have conditions in your mind. You have to actually have the belief that you've been harmed, you've been wrong, something's been done to you by something not yourself. That is the condition of anger. You have to have that belief. You couldn't even experience anger unless you had the belief that you've been wrong by something not yourself. And you realize that that's part of, there's a healing direction in you. The secret of salvation is with this. I'm doing this to myself. It's not that it's going to stop there. Because the I, the Christ is doing anything to itself. But it's a starting point of starting to take responsibility for the state of mind. And beginning to open up to see that there is nothing outside of me. And I'm talking spirit to me. There's nothing outside of Christ. You have one with God. I and the Father are one. There's nothing outside of I am this. That's real and true. And that is so beautiful. That's just coming to humbly accept the truth. There's another part of people that don't like that. You say, what's he doing in there in the workbook? The truth is true and only the truth is true. Does he think I'm an idiot? What kind of sense is that? The truth is true and only the truth is true. But he goes on to explain that even though the sentence has two parts, you must accept both parts of the sentence. The truth is true and only the truth is true. Yeah, but there are no exceptions. The power of decision is my own. He does the same thing in that lesson. My journey from Christianity starts actually when I'm from Hell's not true, but also that the true will make you free. You shall understand true that will make you free. And that's also the, okay, then there is no true what will bind you. True in itself is freedom. There is no opposite of that. And that was really... I will hold it so long in my mind if I did not know it anymore, then I compete to that. That's really true. It's just a true and that makes you free. There is no true that binds you. That's so beautiful, Peter, because that's just going so into the core of it. And then, as a contrast, there's all these theologies that are part of even Christianity. There's many, many theologies. For example, Mormonism, baptism, or resurrection of the dead. That believes that there's separate dead people or dead souls and that you can resurrect them. At one time I was out there and there was this Jewish family that was so upset that the Mormons had resurrected their dead. Like, don't tell me you resurrected my dead. The Mormons are not... These are our dead, we'll do whatever they want us to do. We don't want some other denomination resurrecting our dead. It just gets really humorous when you start to look at theologies and beliefs. If you really want to have a good laugh, that's why I play that Bill Maher... No, really. ...religious movie because it just goes after everyone. I mean, it just goes after Islam, Christianity, different denominations. And that's funny. To me, I find pointing out contradictions and just having a good laugh, I find that actually funny because it's just, again, the truth is true and only the truth is true and there's nothing specific about any of the specifics. It's just starting to see how silly that the ego is with its many variations of nothing. That's my kind of humor. I don't know. I find that funny. Because it's still coming back to the truth is true and that's the wonderful thing, you know, that the truth is one, the truth is true. Yeah, because there's also Jesus said, I am the way, the life, but also I am the true. And this is a craziness to say I am the true if there's also an opposite and then there's an inevitable truth. Then it makes no sense to say I am the true. So the true has really a meaning of something, wow, this is all there is. And you see too, in accepting that it's the end of arguments because there's nothing to argue about. Not that anybody wins or loses arguments, but there can be nothing. That's like when I was going through it going around the country in the world and the seeming Course in Miracles copyright thing arose and I think I blinked. I was just out and about and I blinked and there were seven courses, seven Course in Miracles losses going simultaneously. And I was like, and then people started to write to me and call me, which side is right? Which book are you reading? Which side is right? Whose right? This is non dualism. This is transfer of training. It would be like the same thing. And then at the end, who won and who lost? Oh please. Doesn't that sort of speak to that verse or that second end that says you we don't have the ability to differentiate our gains from our losses but we thought we're gains or actually losses and losses were actually retreats. Dance from retreats. At one point Jesus says in the Course you cannot tell the difference between pain and joy. And then he goes right on to discuss what he means by that. Because on the surface it's like, what do you mean? What do you mean I can't tell the difference between pain and joy? You talking to me? But you know in the end it's like because the mind can't think that pain and pleasure are different that it can't differentiate between pain and joy. Because it can't differentiate between pleasure and joy. That's deep teaching. That's of really deep teaching. And for example Jesus says I'm calling you out of the world and get you lessons like 128, the world I see holds nothing that I want. If that's actually the truth then it would seem that it would be pretty easy to drop the world. If it actually has nothing there, there's nothing at all there but the ego will try to make some things, some illusions attractive and then the mind falls for the bait and thinking no I don't want to believe the world I see holds nothing I want because I want you to see how it works. Is it magic to make pleasure the pain? It's magic in the sense that both of them are fantasies. Yeah so and then you can handle the pain in a little bit to use magic and to see it as pleasure but it's still what it is. Yes in the end it's magic that has a compromise component underneath it. There's compromise underneath it and the whole point is to expose and start to realize that salvation is no compromise of any kind. It can't be a little bit of this and a little bit of that. There's no mixing. Just like you don't mix oil and water in this world. You don't mix spirit and linear time space and form. You can't mix the two. So really you might say again it's a convincing job. The Holy Spirit has a convincing job to show the everythingness of spirit and the nothingness of form. Remember from the Bible the Bible has said that which is born of the flesh is flesh that which is born of the spirit, the spirit. It never tried to mix the two. It never said you know we have a good mix between the flesh and the spirit. It's just not there. It's not in the core since it's not in the Bible. The ego will try to make that attempt to mix that. I mean one time ago years ago there were some people out doing some teachings and they were teaching and somebody said what kind of relationship do you have? The Course talks about special relationships and holy relationships and they said we have a Spoli relationship. And of course those chapters from 15 to 24 those nine chapters Jesus never uses the term Spoli. The whole nine chapters are discerning between the two so you can release, expose and release special relationship and open to holy relationship but he never uses Spoli. And the thing about it is that's what to me is so good about the Course that's what is emphasized here is that there's a discernment that's coming clear. I can use these terms in the Course like attraction to guilt. There's one chapter where he's got three subsections attraction to guilt, one of the subsections. The first time you read it you go That's sick. What a subsection in a book. Attraction to guilt. Then you read the next title Attraction to Pain. This is the attainment of peace. And then again attraction to death. Attraction to guilt, attraction to pain, attraction to death. Three subheadings of sub chapters. And the ego just wants to skip over that because it doesn't want to understand the dynamics. It even says in there Jesus says the ego does not want this attraction or this connection brought into awareness. Why? Because if it was brought into awareness you'd drop it like a hot potato. You'd say I have no need for this at all. I would rather have peace actually than pain and guilt and death. You see how it's all about raising it up into awareness so that you can just see the obvious. Not that you finally go whoa I'm going to slay the dragon. It's that you see there's no bookie man. There's no dragon there never was. But if you're in a game of trying to hide something then the world will act out. Lots of dragons and bookie man. It's designed to act out what the mind believes.