 So we were looking at some important aspects of planning and some very practical aspects just to have a proper mindset when it comes to planning so that we don't feel guilty and we also don't shirk this aspect of our spiritual life, which is to plan. So we don't have to feel guilty about it, we don't have to just get the responsibility and saying okay, maybe it's not a necessity, well it is, right? So we can do it joyfully, we can do it with the assurance that yes, this is in fact as a person, as a child who's created an image of a father guard, this is a characteristic that my father has and this is something that I'm following his footsteps by doing this, right? So there's a right and wrong way to do and that's why we are looking at these guidelines and as you can see it's all based on scriptural principles that is to acknowledge who he is to be led by the spirit of God and so on. So we looked at, the last one we looked at was that we dare to dream, that we dare, which means that think out of the box, maybe think creatively, think big, go beyond what we are normally used to, right? And the thing is, we could be limited because of our human experience, right? We could be limited in our wanting to dream, in wanting to do things, not just like a selfish ambition but really for the kingdom of God and maybe God has put a very certain strong desire to create, to build. These are all things that we have, these are all the possibilities or these are all the abilities that God has put in us, the Lord has put in us to think creatively, to imagine and to do those things. So dare to do that. What really kind of destroys that is, you know, when we don't, when our identity is not rooted in Christ, when our self-image is rooted in something else, then we find that we're not able to, even much as scriptural experts and we see this but we're not able to and we go back to our reference point, which could be our human experience, which could be maybe something that we were hurt and we were, you know, we go back to that and maybe we tried and failed and that's big in us rather than, you know, the, our identity, right? This is who we are. I remember the first time I actually, I was in that stage of life and you're conscious of your, you know, your image, you're conscious of your physical, you know, how you look, et cetera. I think it was just the three teams kind of a thing and my voice had not broken yet, you know, it was still, you know, that kind of a stage. So I enrolled in a music competition, I was never confident to do it but I enrolled in a music competition and I don't know if I shared the story, please forgive me if I'm repeating it. When I enrolled in a music competition, then I went and, yeah, I practiced, it was a Michael Jackson song. I'm saying this could be class, I don't know, maybe four or five or maybe five or six. Okay. So, so it was a Michael Jackson song that I'd heard, like a ballad. So I learned it and the only problem was that I, you know, I learned it on a guitar that I had at home and so I learned it and I had to sing in the competition. I came to school. It was on a different guitar, which was tuned way higher than the guitar at home, my guitar at home. So I played that chord and something was off. Oh, okay. I just went about singing it and I could sing it only in one particular, you know, let's say C scale. No, I could just sing it in that. So I started singing in that and it was so high, okay, it was so high, my voice sounded so squeaky and so I just wanted to go and hide halfway through the song but I had to finish the song. So I finished it and I came back and I saw, you know, I finished and people were polite. A few of them clapped. I think everybody was like, what is this? And then it was in front of the whole school, right? Everybody's sitting and listening. And then my friend, my deskmate, so he said, hey, what are you, sounded like a girl. So you may imagine, right? You finish and you come and immediately this is the first thing I hear. You sounded like a girl and, you know, being a boy that age, it was like the most insulting thing that I could hear. So I was like completely, you know, and I just gave up singing. I remember I stopped going for, you know, music, I just gave some excuse or the other. I didn't want to be part of the choir. I just said, I don't want this at all. For many years, I remember many years, I just shy away, no, nothing in public. I would not, you know, so, you know, literally, that was my reference point, right? Whenever there was an opportunity to sing, opportunity to perform or some competition, this was my reference point. Oh, man, I sounded like a girl and I'm not going to do it, right? So it took many years to come out of that. And literally, I think from then on, till maybe when I was the 11th standard, okay, is when I kind of, you know, again, went back to, you know, try out and sing and all that. So it took, you know, a gap of many years. But of course, I did other things rather than singing or being at the choir. So I'm just saying that our reference point for the whole thing of being free and liberated to dream big, our reference point could be, you know, an event, right? We go back and we say, okay, this is the thing. So we restrict ourselves, we don't go beyond that event, right? That seems to dictate everything. Okay, this is what you did. This is what happened. You cannot, you can never go beyond that. So we go back to it. Okay, this is what you tried. You tried praying for healing. Okay, I'm just giving some ministry example. You tried praying for healing for this person, that person. It was in front of a whole lot of people. Nothing happened. That's the reference point. You know, we did organize this meeting, organized this. No one came. You know, maybe two people came. Okay, this is the reference point. You know, we always default back to, you know, if we're not careful, we default back to that reference. And then we say, and then that's it, you know, I will not go beyond it. Yeah, Isaac, you have a question. Go ahead. Go ahead. Please ask if you have a question or have you put anything on the chat? Nothing. We can't hear you, Isaac, so. It's a mistake. I don't have a question for now. Oh, I see. Okay. Okay. So sorry. Okay. Right. Okay. Let's continue then. When we see that, okay, this is scripture that he is able, right? He is able. He's bigger than that event that we are defaulting to. He's bigger than those things, those experiences. Well, it happened where a number of reasons, maybe, you know, whatever, reasons X, Y, Z, but he's able to do exceedingly and abundantly above all that we ask. So let's not be afraid to dream. Maybe we are hurt, maybe ask, you know, sometimes the spirit is crushed, traumatized, maybe, maybe because of previous abuse and so on. So we are not in the place to dream, we're just surviving, right? Doing the safe things, just surviving, right? So don't be afraid to dream, right? He is able to do. And of course, we need to not just dream and have those big pictures or big ideas, but we need to practically execute them. So let's look at the next one, you know, it says be realistic and be practical in a sense. It seems almost like a paradoxical thing, opposite, contradicting the fact. If I can dream, then why should I be practical and realistic? Well, the reason is this, we can have those big ideas and big pictures, but it also needs to be tempered by, you know, what do I need to do now? What do I need to do next? What do I need to, what do I need to accomplish? So in the dreaming, it should not be, you know, there's a thing, right? We can be escapist in our dreaming, like I can, for example, I can just say, okay, I just want to go and live in New Zealand. So I just can't, you know, this traffic is too much, the pollution is too much. I just want to get away from it all. Have a fresh start in New Zealand, where it's all, where I've seen those pictures, I've seen those videos, oh, it's beautiful, no people for miles together, you know. Now that's a, that's again dreaming, it's again dreaming big, it's uprooting of everything and, you know, shifting and starting all over again, but it's, it's not considering, you know, the plan and purpose, it's not considering the season of life, right? It's more like an escape plan from the situation. It's more like I'm just retreating, even though it looks like, okay, I'm doing something exciting, it's more like retreating, right? So that is what we mean, you know, be realistic, be practical. Efficient 5 and verse 15, see then that you walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, walk circumspectly. Think, where am I putting my feet? Which path am I on? Walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, redeeming the time, you know. Again, if you look at that idea, how can I redeem the time? How can I take back, once the clock moves, once the second stick away, you know, can I just put it back in into a container? But the idea is this, when I live circumspectly, you know, it's as if time is even short and that I'm able to do the things in a short span of time, what would have required maybe days, I'm able to do those things, you know, within that thing. So I'm redeeming the time, right, or the time I am taking it back, it's so to speak, right? Do not be unwise, but understand what the, we love the Lord is, okay. So again, as children of God, we have the ability to hear the voice of the shepherd, we need to make that time and space to do it. And God is more than willing to reel the plans and purposes. Well, sometimes he gives us a big picture, sometimes he gives us, you know, years in advance, things what would happen in years in advance, he reveals to us. And so we can, like, lean into him and sharpen our spiritual capability, you know, throw away whatever is hindering, blocking us from hearing. What is unblocking? What is, you know, clouding that whole perspective of God? Am I doing something? Have I allowed something to come into my life? Have I, you know, is my heart captured with something else, right? Which is taking priority and I'm not able to hear the voice of God clearly. Well, let me do away those things so that I can hear him clearly. And so I can understand what the will of the Lord is. Because we know the will of the Lord is not a mathematical formula, but it's a relationship. It's a walk with him. It's very practical. It's something that is doable and it's not something which is fuzzy and unclear. It's a relationship. So we walk with him, right? Okay, let's, we'll take some questions after we do this next section. Okay, here are some practical tips when making planning and setting goals. Okay, start with what you have, whatever it is, maybe it's resources, maybe it is things. What, what do we have? Consider that with the Lord Jesus asked, you know, what do you have? This is what we have. So, so many fish, so many loaves said, bring them to me. Start with what you have. The next one, when you understand the time, schedule, responsibility, season, don't take on more than what you can handle. You know, if it is going to be something that's, that causes compromise on especially the core responsibilities, right? It's causing you to compromise on core responsibilities. I'm supposed to know this is something that God is interested, but I'm unable to do it because I'm, you know, taking on more of something else, right? Do not do that. Right? Though, even though it might seem like I come from a, you know, great place, I need to do the same, you know, the, the loss must be saved, the sick must be healed, and they didn't have to be raised up. And so, you know, I'm going to take on more and more and more, well, are the other areas suffering? Right? So that's something that we don't think of or we need to, right? That was who interested that to us and his Lord himself, right? So in this season, okay, this is, this is what I'm going to do. It might change. It will definitely change, right? As we progress, as we, as we continue on our journey, that will definitely change. But this season I'm going to do this, right? And I remember, you know, even when early days of ministry, when I knew, well, practically nothing about ministry, I just stepped in from, you know, working in corporate sales. And so I was observing and seeing what was happening. And so Pastor Ashish would was running the software business and he was doing ministry time was very, very, you know, it was 24 hours and there's a lot of things to be done. So it was, it would never, you know, it would steward that very, very well. And he also understood that this season of life, he was in the stage of growth the church was in and the ministry was in. So he would not go beyond that, just focus on building a strong foundation, right? There's no touring, no, you know, no touring in the sense, okay, you might take on one or two, you know, outside of Bangalore, one or two assignments, speaking assignments. But it was all focusing on the foundation, you know, you know, knew that this had to be priority. This had to be done focusing on raising leaders. All that was happening in those years. So there came a stage when, yes, it was time to, you know, expand and move and, you know, to be the voice in the nation and do all that. And God was opening up territory and it came in the form of opportunities and invitations and then that happened. So, so the thing is that, well, understand that, understand the stage, understand the growth phase and do it. So in that sense, that is the context when we say, okay, do not take on more than what you can handle, right? Okay. Then gather information about the task at hand, right? Problems, 13, 16, every prudent man acts with knowledge, but a fool lays open his folly. So when you're planning, okay, there is information available that we can research and find out. And even when you're making purchases, let's say you're purchasing something, buying something online, you check, you know, if it's something of significant expense or value, not value, really expense, you check, see whether it suits, read the reviews to see whether it's okay, you know, we do all that, right? So gather information about the task at hand, okay, how much time will it require, you know, how much manpower will it require and so what expertise is required, what skill is required, what tools are required, right, and then plan. So about the task at hand, the next thing is that yes, information, we will be able to gather information about the task at hand, but we will not be able to know everything, all details, okay, because there will be a limit, but plan according to what is, what information is available and what we do know, okay. Problems, 20, 24, the man steps are off the Lord. How then can I may understand his own way, right? Well, you can gather information, but we may not know everything. You know, there's someone who knows everything, who has infinite knowledge and understanding, and we are finding it, right. So there is a limit, no problem, right, but plan according to what we do know, the information that we do have, plan according to that, okay. The fifth one is don't be in a hurry, okay. Take things a step at a time, don't be in a hurry. Proposal 21 verse 5, the plans of the diligent surely lead to plenty, okay. Who's a diligent one, one who is, you know, one who is industrious, one who's not complacent, one who's willing to put in the hard work, one who is thinking and, you know, planning, but to those of everyone who is hasty, surely to poverty. So one is not planning diligently, but suppose one is in a hurry and hasty and, you know, it leads to poverty. So why do we, why are we, why do we, you know, come to that place of being hasty, right, maybe we realize, oh, there's things to be done and I've not done it, right. We have to hurry, we are hasty, we are in haste. So we don't consider the outcome. We don't consider the information at hand. We make a hasty plan and a hasty decision, right, get in a hurry. So we don't consider all that. Sometimes we are hasty because that is, oh, well, it looks like something that is good and we are excited and we don't look at all the other possibilities. We don't weigh the possibilities. We don't weigh the options, right. So we could avoid being hasty. We should avoid being hasty and not being in a hurry. No other priorities. This again, when we consider other things. What has God entrusted? What does God want me to do? What are my core responsibilities right now in this season? Maybe in, you know, at the role that you are in, maybe it could be informal leadership role. It could be a formal leadership role. Like I'm saying, it could be as a homemaker. It could be as a working professional. It could be as a pastor, teacher, whatever. Know our priorities. We need to know our priorities when we are planning. Props 24-7, prepare your outside work. Make it fit for yourself in the field. Prepare your outside work. And afterward, build your house. So he's talking about the priority. Like we were looking at that example of cleaning a particular place. Again, priority. What is it that goes first? Do that first thing in order so that the second thing can follow. But other simple things, write it down or capture it in a document. Document the plan. It's good to do that. We don't remember everything. We cannot humanly remember all the details. So document it. Document it also helps us to share with others. So we need to communicate if there are others who are involved in the plan. There's a team and you are leading that particular initiative project. Well, everyone needs to know, right? You cannot be sharing it at each and every step. And then you finish the first step and then you share. Each one needs to know. Yes, we can remind them of each and every phase, each and every step. But everyone needs to know. Everyone who's involved, everyone who's required to do their thing, needs to know what the plan is. Okay. Any questions while we look at some more things, guidelines to planning? Any questions till here? You can even share some experiences, some challenges. Any questions at all? Yes, can I ask? Yeah, sure. Is it? Yes. It's clean about planning or desires. And according to your explanation, which is true that we should lean on, we should not lean on our own understanding. But we need to plan with God. But there are certain times in life who desire things, maybe it's not actually the will of God, but sometimes God allows that to happen. Like I remember in the story of Israel under Samuel, Israel asks for a king like any other nation, expressly it was not the desire of God at that time for them. Samuel knew what God said, allow them to deny you, they are denying me. Why did they allow them, though it was not its will at that time? Yeah, so the thing is it was the people's desire. This is what, if you read through that portion, you see that this is what people were craving because all the other nations were having those people who were, I mean human rulers. So even though God said that I will lead you, so people asked for a leader, people asked for a ruler and then he just said okay. So the thing is this, we also have free will and God respects that our choices are actions. Well, he does orchestrate things, he does speak to us, warn us in advance to tell us what is best for us. But beyond that he, it's just that, he just opens up and says okay, if this is what your heart is bent on, I warned you, I've guided you, because I forget the reference but we see that God gave them the desires of their heart but also along with this, they had the leanness of the soul. Because this is not what he wanted for them but he gave them the desires of the heart and along with this scripture says that the leanness of the soul. So yes, so that is the thing, when a heart is bent on something irrespective of what we're not considering, what God desires then, well God is not going to just force you to do it, but then he'll just allow, because this is what you want. Okay, thank you pastor. Right, Isaac. Because like he actually said, he told Samuel, he said, tell them, advise them, this will be the ways of the king, but it's their desire, okay. Thank you. Right, right. Okay, right. Okay, so this is the part and parcel of leadership. So let's get comfortable with that, and maybe some of us are skilled at doing it. It's part of our routine and things like that, but if not, but then we need to renew our mind to this, make that shift alignment. Okay, so somehow guidelines here on planning, receive Godly counsel, have people speak into our life, bounce your ideas with people who have already been there, done that, no harm in receiving counsel, but also be discerning. We can learn lessons how to do, how not to do certain things from the experience of people and how they've lived their lives, but at the same time be discerning as well. So Proverbs 11 and verse 14, where there is no counsel, the people fall, the institute of counselors, there is safety. So Godly counsel, God uses people to bring it to our hearts, and let's be humble enough to receive it. At the same time, lean in again to the voice of the spirit and say, okay, God, you know, is there something that you want me to do? Proverbs 19 and verse 20, listen to counsel and receive instruction that you may be wise in your latter days. Proverbs 20 and 18, plans are established by counsel, by wise counsel wage war. So Godly counsel, God might bring it in ways, there could be even surprises, who brings that counsel, whom God uses, but if we are sensitive, then we would receive it. So sometimes our own pride disallows us from receiving that counsel, because it's through someone whom we, maybe we don't consider as skilled or experienced, but they have. God has spoken and they bring that wise counsel and sometimes that's the game changer. Right? So let's be aware of that. Okay, seventh thing is be open to change, revise your plans, learn to wait. That was that we read, come into your plans, works through the Lord and your thoughts will be established. Verse nine of the same chapter, Proverbs 16, a man's heart plans his way, but the Lord directs his step. Okay, so we plan, but then the Lord directs. And so we can plan, set goals, but be open to change. Let it not be so watertight that there's no scope for change. Should the Lord revise, should the Lord do something, be aware and be free to flow. Right? And that, okay. Okay, times of waiting. Again, let me just mention that there could be, well, there's a reason, well, certain things, you know, we've done all our, we've done our part. You know, there's nothing that is wrong from our side. We've done our part. And there seems to be a delay in things happening. Right? Well, God is doing something, definitely he's orchestrating things, people, places, putting things in place. So be assured. And when you know in your heart that you are in the right place, doing the right thing, and you know, you've done your best in planning and everything, there doesn't seem to, because God is well able to point to us, show us, okay, this is something that's left undone. This is left undone, you know. So that's things are not moving. But you know in your heart, your conscience is clear. Well, things have been done. So things are still, you know, in that place of waiting. No problem. Right? We open to that and say, okay, God, you've got a reason to tell me. Okay. I'm not going to be discouraged. I will wait. Okay. Then the important thing is this, you know, when we plan, yes, it's important to plan, but we also need to implement the plan, right? Meaning act on it. Execute the plan, work the plan. Right? Problems 12 and verse 11. He who tills the land will be satisfied with bread. But he follows fruity is devoid of understanding. So the tilling of the land is the actual work, right? So tilling is not sowing, tilling is not watering. It's much before that. It's the first stage to prepare the land. It's like a plowing, preparing the land for sowing, preparing the land for the last stage is the harvest. And then processing the harvest and it becomes bread. Right? But it starts with this. But maybe we're thinking, okay, I need to, these are the steps. This season, this timeframe, you know, on this day tilling, this day sowing, and this month, you know, and then after that, the watering, we could plan everything, but unless we put our hand to the plow and actually do it, it doesn't start. Right? So we need to work. We need to implement verse 27, you know, that same chapter. The lazy man does not roast what he took in hunting, but diligence is man's precious possession. So even whatever is ours actually, whatever has come into our possession, right? Maybe we worked for it. See, hunting is work, right? Gone and maybe you've gone and hunted. Okay. Now you've gone and bought, right? It's like that. It has to be stored properly so that it doesn't get spoiled and it has to be used. Right? So one who is complicit or lazy does not roast what he took in hunting. He did part of it. The other part of it is left undone. Okay. So plan the work, execute the plan. Right? So many examples that we see, scriptures that we see, Proverbs 20 and verse 4, the lazy man would not plow, sorry, because of winter, because of the external circumstance. Well, it's true that it's not harvest, but in order for the field to reach the harvest stage, there has to be the plowing which happens in winter or plowing happens much earlier than that. Okay. So plan and execute the plan. Okay. So do not let the present circumstances or present activities keep you from what you should be actually doing. And an important thing to understand, it's not, sometimes busyness becomes a barrier for us to actually achieve our goals. We are busy. We are busy doing this, busy doing that. But are we actually busy doing what we should be doing? That's the question. Right? Are we busy doing, because in busyness, we can be satisfied. Wow. And today was a busy day. The whole day, nine to five, and even beyond, I was busy. I was busy doing this. I was busy doing that. And we did not actually, it didn't seem like a waste of time really, because we were totally engaged doing this and that and the other. The thing is to take a step back and ask ourselves, was I busy doing what I should be doing? Were my core tasks or core responsibilities this busyness and what I did in this flurry of activity, did it actually contribute to that? If not, then I, yes, I've been engaged, right, that timeframe, but it didn't really enable me to execute the plan to reach towards the goal. So need to reevaluate and say, okay, these things, well, these activities are good. Maybe I need to do it, but then I need to do it on a later day. I need to do it only on certain days. So we need to re-prioritize those. Okay. So we're going to look at another aspect on those lines, which is organizing. Okay. Organizing. So organizing, similar to planning, it means to arrange something. It means to arrange something in a systematic and orderly manner. Okay. So we're looking at ministry. We're looking at church maybe. We see that every ministry has spiritual responsibilities, right? If you're looking at the ministry of worship, if you look at ministry of, you know, whatever you look at, it has the spiritual responsibilities of, you know, being in prayer, being in personal worship, being led by the spirit of God, preparing our hearts to hear from God and the direction that he wants to lead for, if you're a worship minister, you know, the direction that he wants the church to take when it comes to worship for that particular day, for that particular meeting, right? So there's a spiritual responsibility of the worship minister, investing time to do that praying, feeding on the word of God, meditating on his word, listening to the voice of the spirit, receiving a prophetic word, a prophetic song, all those things. But there are also the administrative responsibilities. The administrative responsibilities could be, well, preparing the song list, preparing the key for each of the songs, making sure it is okay for you and the others to sing it out, ensuring that the song list is sent well in advance, communicate, okay, this is the plan to each and every member of the team, making sure that the song list is sent to, and the words are sent to the media team, you know, I'm just talking about like a contemporary church in today's world, to send that the words of the song and the song list to the media team so that they get things ready. And nowadays, you know, you also have the crew, the camera crew, because maybe the church is streaming, recording, streaming it live. So the camera person needs to know also where to focus, right? There could be multiple cameras. If it's one camera, it's fine, but there could be multiple cameras, and even if it's a single camera, okay, this person is singing the song. This is how the song starts. This person is going to be playing. The drummer is going to be playing first. So if the drummer is playing the beginning of the song, just the drummer only, and if the camera man is focusing on someone else who's not doing anything, well, you know, that's bad planning again, right? So that's, so it doesn't really enrich the viewing experience. So you need to be where the action is. So, okay, this is what, so they also need to know. And they will not know unless the worship leader, one who's prepared the songs, you know, he knows musically what is happening. He or she knows what is happening musically. So that also needs to be communicated. So, you know, you see that there are these spiritual responsibilities and there are these administrative responsibilities and both need to run hand in hand. Well, you might say, okay, I'm excited about the spiritual responsibilities, I'm not too keen on and I don't want to, you know, I think these are less important. No, because it's going to influence that spiritual responsibility. You know, people need the words to sing and how can you expect them all to join in singing in one heart and one mind if, let's say, if it's a song where the words are not put up? And how can, you know, how can we sing if the whatever tools or devices that you require to present the song with maybe the laptop or the projector is not in place, they are not prepared. So you see the tech side of it, the administrative side of it. Right from the venue, the chairs, the space, everything, these are administrative responsibilities and these have a tendency to either influence or hinder or enhance or hinder the spiritual work. So both are important. Like one cannot do without the other one. It needs to go hand in hand. So to be organized as a ministry is to make sure that this, make sure that we, you know, arrange things in a systematic orderly manner so that the spiritual ministry does not get hindered. There's no barrier to it. There's no blockage of that. It happens slowly. You know, every time the mic is switched on if there's going to be one, you know, that squeak, that high frequency, you know, sound, it's going to be very, very disturbing. And I remember in a church where we used to worship earlier, you know, we had this person, we used to call him Mike Danny. So he was in charge of the sound. He used to stand near the amp and the, you know, the mixer and everything. So, you know, obviously he needed help. He was not fully aware of those things, but he was the person who was responsible and he was there, was available every meeting he was there. We call him Mike Danny. And these, you know, mics would always, there would be some issue or the other. There will be this, there will be this hypers thing and everybody will look at him and he'll be like trying to fix it. Nothing would happen and all that. So it really was kind of a barrier to the disturbance, you know, for the service. So we understand that. So we need to organize so that the spiritual activity, the spiritual responsibilities are carried out, you know, best, the best way possible. Okay. Okay. So here are broad categories that we could get organized in. Now we're talking about ministry. We're talking about church and ministry, but it also is applicable. You know, if you can actually apply it to personal things, we can actually apply it to things at home, right? So if it comes to ministry, okay. Organizing church, ministry, organizing people, organizing schedule, organizing finances. Okay. So these are some broad categories. If you're looking at your personal life also, it could be, you know, there could be broad categories. I mean, organizing finances, organizing my, you know, what I'm supposed to be wearing, where I, you know, organizing my, okay, food and kitchen and cooking. So, you know, there are these things that we can actually look at. Right. So organizing church and ministry. Okay. So for church and ministry to be organized and to be effectively flowing. Now, what we're looking at, you know, we will study it in great detail in the church administration, right? So this is just an example, right? So one way to organize is to be better functioning is to do it in the basis of who is our target audience and how, what are we doing as a church and ministry, right? The people whom we are reaching, the people group whom we are reaching. So that way the ministries can be organized. Okay. So what are the ministries within the church for the people in the church, right? Who attend? Okay. So based on understanding of the people, the needs and the ministry outside of church, right? So outreach, evangelism and beyond the immediate locality, we could call it mission. So we organize things in that way. We can plan. Okay. What do I plan for internally? Now, obviously certain things that we do for, you know, people in the local church, we cannot extend it, extend the same thing to let's say missions, right? The priorities are different. So therefore the kind of activities that we need to do, it could be, it could be focusing on certain things alone. We may not be extended, right? We won't send birthday cards to people who are, you know, who we are reaching out to missions. It is for those who are part of this church community and so on. So that, you know, simply put, that's, this will be, this will really help. What is the outreach? What are the missions, activities, what are things that are within the church? So organizing church and ministry. Second thing is organizing people. We realize that ministry does not happen in vacuum. It happens with people to people, right? That's how God works. So God says in one Corinthians we see Paul saying, you are God's building. You are God's field. And who's he addressing? He's addressing the Corinthians church. You are God's building. You are God's field. So people. And he also, you know, he's talking about, he talks about his team. He's talking to them. He's saying, you know, we were, you know, what manner of life we lived, how we conducted ourselves, right? And so there is the people who ministered and the people who were ministered too. So people are there, part and parcel of ministry. So that needs to be organized as well. If it's a ministry team, okay, leaders, ministry leaders, they need to be appointed for specific areas of ministry. Maybe there is a marriage enrichment ministry. Maybe there's a life group ministry. Maybe there's publications, books, there's worship and so on. So who are these leaders? Appointing leaders. So that's, that's organizing the ministry because it cannot run randomly. So we need to appoint leaders. Okay, this person is fit, this person has journeyed on with church and of course, you know, we'll look into the details in church administration. But then of course, just saying that, yes, there needs to be ministry leaders. Okay. So within the ministry, there could be various teams. And that also each team, like, let's say, for example, if you take a church location, maybe it has an associate pastor and it would have various teams like ushering team, worship team, welcoming team, the media presentation team. So all these teams need to have functional leaders. So team leaders. And in the steams, there are people who are serving to ensure that all these activities happen at the right time, happen well. So there are volunteers. No, they are not staff. They are volunteers, which means they are, they are volunteering their time, volunteering their, all the efforts and resources to be part of this team to do these tasks. Right? So then we need to have a process in place, series of steps in place to give opportunities for people, like to actually advertise or to announce that here are opportunities. You're in church, here are opportunities for you to be plugged in in order to serve. Right? So we need to organize that aspect as well, organizing people. Okay. Okay. So we'll stop here and then we'll continue when it comes to organizing our schedule. What are some practical things that we can do? Okay. All right. Okay. So thank you. We'll meet again next class. God bless. Thank you pastor, thank you. Thank you pastor.