 Welcome back to esoteric Atlanta. Of course you guys know me. My name is Bryce and you know Cindy from sacred garden yoga She's been on the channel multiple multiple times. I've known Cindy for years now I always like to say out of all the people I film with I actually see Cindy in real life And then of course my dear friend Mary who's also been on this channel one other time and Mary I have to say since you've been came on the channel We've got such positive feedback from all of your healing session sessions that you have done for subscribers And of course Cindy you've been doing this for years and I've been lucky and fortunate enough that I have been healed by both Mary and Cindy and they're both the real deals and I wanted to bring them both on this show today so that we can kind of talk more about energy healing and As we were saying before I hit record One of the most fascinating and interesting things about this great awakening shall we say is that a lot of people are finding? Their spirituality not like it ever really was missing, but they're actually Activating it and so sometimes that can be very very Overwhelming for people and especially if it's new especially when we're talking about the healing aspect of energy Because most of us are really used to going through the medical aspect of healing and now we have this whole other perspective About the body being the minefield and so therefore it's working with energy and vibration And so I wanted to bring these two ladies on the show today back again So we can kind of have a conversation about that of course I am I have taken a level one and level two reiki course before many many many years ago I normally don't even mention that because I took it just I don't want to say for ships and giggles I took it to try to understand it more, but that was never going to be my modality I knew that walking into the course that I was never going to be Practicing this it was just more for me to get a better understanding of what it what this energy healing actually is And so I'm gonna so with that being said I'm gonna let you two ladies kind of direct the conversation I know Cindy and Mary we kind of spoke about starting off like you know Where do you start if you will start there? We'll start at the beginning where do if you're someone that's just now Awakening to the spirituality where does one start in discovering this? You want me to go first So what I did is because I was a healer my whole life when I knew this Like I said before I didn't know what it was called I didn't know what what it meant when I pick up a little bird injured and put it in my hands and heal it You know, it was something that just came natural to me to use my hands for everything I have a friend who is a Reiki teacher and a Reiki master and she says well, you're a healer So if people in tune to this and they understand what I'm saying They know that they're guarded, you know in their intuition To seek out a Reiki teacher and start taking the Reiki ones Reiki two and then Reiki three because you got to be a Tune to all of them, you know and go from there and then from there. It just grows That's what it's doing for me. I Would definitely say if you start to get the feeling that there's something Something bigger for you within the realm of healing you start to get the calling you just get a calling something you get sometimes you don't get sometimes you just get an interest and Kind of like how you said Bryce. I'm curious. I'm curious about Reiki I'm gonna take the take these courses. I'm gonna find out what these attunements are about and Then from there you realize oh wow I mean, maybe not necessarily you Bryce, but then you realize well, you know, I want to continue on with this I want to continue to expand and then there's where you just simply get like a calling For me, I think it started more out more out as a curiosity Honestly more than just a calling at the beginning. It was a curiosity about all of the different kinds of healing modalities and The number one thing I would say is yeah What Mary said is is find you someone that you can work with find you a teacher that's going to To guide you whether you're going into the realm of Reiki which um, I Mean that is with my energy healing. I actually started off. We had this conversation last time Bryce with I became a certified hypnotherapist Before I became a yoga teacher or before I became a Reiki Master and But it happened to be that the the hypnotherapist that I worked with He was basically just an energetic healer and it was through his training that I learned all about like spirit release and Entity attachment and all that stuff So I started off so that way Then I got like my yoga training, which is all about learning and understanding the the body and then Soon after that, I got my Reiki certifications and then from there it went on to More understanding my roots So the kind of energy work that I do is a culmination of you know kind of Reiki Some of the things that I learned through the hypnotherapy and then it's also vastly shamanic Yeah, because I you know I trained with with some shamans and spent some time with them them as well And so it became a mixture of all these different things But throughout the way throughout the whole entire time. I had a teacher You know, I mean it's changed and it shifted, you know, I had the Reiki teacher I had, you know When I was learning hypnotherapy, I had the the shamanic teachers. I had of course my yoga teachers So having the teachers definitely absolutely Get you one. Yeah crucial They will show up They will show up Yeah, the right ones will will show up for you because there is so much Information out there these days kind of what you were talking about Bryce how everyone is feeling this awakening and because of that and because of the access to to YouTube and to to To the internet There is so so so much information that when you just try to search online or YouTube It can be too much. You don't know where to begin You don't know how to hone your skill and if you try to do it by yourself It's just so much harder. Plus your teachers and I know Bryce, you know, that's just through the ashtanga your teachers They pass on it's it's almost like there's a there's an Initiation with your teachers with it where they pass on they transmit their It's it sounds like a physical it's not just a learning transmission, but almost like this physical transmission Yeah Yeah, it's so we call it up and Sanskrit literally is guru to students and yeah It's not just you sitting in a teacher saying X Y and Z like in a classroom. It's everything It's being around that teacher and picking up there through osmosis their energy. It's For a strong guts feeling the physical adjustment Over and over and over again from the master teacher that you then inherit into your DNA And it really is I think that's one of the biggest differences between some like more will say more matrix more matrixy jobs and Energy healing is that you really have to embody? Within your DNA the ability to carry this You know and and you don't become a master teacher overnight that takes many years many years I don't think we're ever done learning anyway. That's just my opinion. We're never done perfecting our craft and And and it is important. I think that is important too because yes, as I said Rakey was never my modality I knew that going into studying it that I was not going to be doing this like you ladies do it I just wanted to learn because knowledge is power and so I want to say that's people too. There are so many There's a wide variety of modalities and you don't have to do them all. What do they say? What's that joke Jack of all trade master of none? Find the one that works for you Yes, you know and and that is your calling and I know I guess that I've had healing from both Cindy and Mary both Excellent and super effective, but they do them differently because they've they've embodied it within their own experience again Cindy with your Peruvian lineage that comes out as well with your healings You know and so and so it's it's powerful because then you've stepped into your own And I will say the dangerous thing about the internet too is you don't know what's real and what's not sometimes That's what I absolutely as I'd be careful Because there are a lot of people out there who have a tendency to say I can teach you and they just actually take your money and go Because I've had that happen to me Thankfully didn't cost me an arm and a leg but you know it happened and you know and just with Cindy was saying too There's so much out there and that you can learn and that's why I'm here because I still want to keep learning I mean I can do the matrix scene like just with the quad with the rakey. I combine the two, but I want I know there's more I'm not specialized in Deemer removal. I don't know if that's my gift I can do you know the healing part. I can see like Okay, I asked open-ended questions now if she had a stomach. What's in her stomach? That's making her sick and sometimes they'll show me the oddest looking things like ever, but it's a it's a It's like a metaphor remove this item put it in the violet flame of Saint-Germain and send her healing And that's what I do that kind of removal. So it's not like a demonic device removal I don't know how to I'm not sure on that, but if that's my calling I will do it, but I'm gonna get trained first I'm not jumping into that Well, and that's how I like how you said so I want to I want to stop Paul's on this for a second because I don't know if our audience picked up on what you just said that was so important So like when you're healing Even and I know this as a teacher as well as a yoga teacher. You're really just the conduit Yes, because I don't know if you guys heard what she said they they show me they tell me yes There's some there's another and that's that entity of understanding entities is that you're you have a nobility to see But you're I know because I know you call in Michael you because you call in your higher self like you you caught to show you Where there needs to be work done on the person and and so and I know and before we hit play or a record play listen to me I sound like I'm 1996 again hit play But uh Cindy you were we talked about this before about we talked I mean I always laugh with Cindy if you ever come to my class on Sundays and Marietta with Cindy usually afterwards We have the gnarliest conversations and I love them Because we talk about yeah We talk about all sorts of stuff is some random person would have walking off the street They probably think what cult is that but it's so fun but we talked a lot about entities and entity attachment Cindy because that's something you do do and Can we because yeah on Sunday? We were talking about you know, we have demonic the literal demons Then you have like poltergeist then you have earthbound entities Can we talk about just briefly the differences like what the different categories? are of of attachments Yeah, probably the some of one of the more common are uh, just what we call earthbound in other words They're they're disembodied spirits. They're probably human at some point But they didn't cross over for whatever reason they're still working out some stuff So they haven't crossed over into the light yet and if they happen to Find somebody or notice somebody who um their energy is low Or and it's don't even have good intentions You know, they'll see uh, you know a real person a real embodied person their energy is really low, especially children and they're um uh, maybe even Not necessarily that they're saying out loud, but maybe they feel very lonely and the the entity can sense that there's loneliness so they come in to help But when they come in to help, they're also bringing in whatever issues Of them not being able to cross over To that person. Do you see what I mean? Yep And then um, they get comfortable with each other Even though the person might not know that they have this earthbound presence with them Uh, what when she started to get into the work And you you actually start having conversations with the entity and even the conversation with the person And then they realize at what point that the entity was invited into their space And that the entity had been providing comfort to that person without even knowing it And so that creates almost like this this attachment And so part of that work is simply them realizing Oh, you know the the the The the the entity itself. Oh, I didn't mean to be hurting this person I was just trying to help Right sending the entity in the light. But what's uh, most important is for for the person who is in body Is helping them re-empower themselves Helping them with whatever traumatic stuff that they have going on that kept that thing attached to them in the first place If you go there if you start with that root Then nothing else can Can attach right and what happens? um So like when I do things and it's not necessarily um You know a person doesn't always come to me and say oh, I've got attachments and I've got this and this going on They come in they come to me probably that like how they come to you marry So I may not just have issues. I don't feel good. I feel stuck You know, I feel this is going on they they calm it because they're they're just having symptoms They've gone to the doctor the doctor can't help them and they come to me as the last resort And So then in the process of just going in there and figuring out Then You see their issues like their own trauma And then you can see where something might have come in and attached because of their issue So uh entity doesn't just can't just Attach itself to you if you are fully In your higher self do you see what I mean? Yeah, and anything it can only attach it if um If you're experiencing some kind of vulnerability your everything was down or your um, you know your orc field was down That is when they usually come in But you work with the individual at least this is the way I do it. This is the way that you work with the individual first Then it's much easier if there's something on there attached then that can release much easier and it can go Do you see what I mean? But and and then that goes so you're talking about the different kind of entities like the earth bounce Those are the probably the most common ones. There are um implants Like someone can like actually get like implants in them like little things that are keeping there and the implants can come from um other being like alien type other beings and uh light workers are prone to implants because it's a matter of trying to keep them down Like there are curses curses are interesting when you see them on people I don't know if you've ever seen curses mary or time routine. They just show up really talking about things showing up weird Yes, I think I said I've had people where I don't understand what this is. I'm like, what in the heck am I And my guides are saying go in there Wrap yourself in the armor of god and you got to remove it. I went. Okay. Okay So I'm trusting them to have my back and yeah, I city. I know exactly what you're talking about I've seen some weird stuff Not yeah And they're they're entity like Yeah, because I don't know like they're entity like But they just have they're either like black or tarish or have these tentacle things on them and I don't know I had it in my head Like goo, you know Yes, like kind of like is like tar I guess me the goosebust when you say that because that's exactly what it looks like That's how I would describe it looks like tar and some actually look like Octopussy thingies. I'm like, what the heck is that, you know, and they'll they'll go into like some of them Are very autopsy looking where it's like suction cups and other ones are like very pentakly where it goes in Like thin tentacles and it just goes in and you're having to like try to pull all that out That's what I call those are So those are interesting. They're I mean, I don't know how you describe it, but they're kind of like entity like But not really there. I don't know because I have an energy. They have a vibration. They have something to it Yeah, these curses maybe they're one in the same But is it something like if if someone puts a hex or a curse on a person or is it also lineage-based where someone inherited? a curse Yeah I had an inheritance one on me Oh Like big ancestors All right, Cindy, you need to scan me man. How many do I have? I have family members that just digger me because they they don't understand what I do So they just want to attack you. You know what I mean? And I'm just like, no, no Yeah, so, you know, so there are those and Again, oftentimes those are what curses look like, but they're not always curses either. They're just I don't know Things that have somehow managed to to leech on to a person Right. Can you curse yourself? Can people curse? Can people curse themselves? Not realizing it? You know, this is a great question. Yes, because this is what happens when people often say they have entities Where it's almost like they created an entity for themselves So just because they believe in it so much You know, like they they somehow Have felt disempowered or you know felt traumatized or they got a lot of shame or self-hatred all those things going going on within them That that in itself create like all that can create an energy and then if they start believing That they have an entity they can like create one Based off of their own self-hatred and shame and all that stuff. Do you see what I mean? So yeah So if that answers your question that like cursing that they can create I don't know if you've had this experience where they can create their own Entity thing just because they believe in it so much That they believe in that more than they believe in their power to heal themselves Exactly exactly Yeah, I see it's almost like it's like sometimes the hard parts of being a human of humaning You know dealing with abandonment shame guilt all the the the shadow of of humans and sometimes I've noticed that that people Who don't want to have to sit in those feelings will try to create an entity to blame it on Instead of actually doing the work And and and the thing about how dangerous that is too is because if there is you know In yoga we call it the karmic cause and effect the work that you've agreed to When you came on this planet. So if you've got abandonment issues, which is a big one for a lot of people Instead of actually working on the abandonment you will say oh a demon did this. It's not my fault. It's not so-and-so fault my Boyfriend husband whatever didn't abandon me. It was this demon's fault Well, then that negates the work that you need to do and what can happen is that abandonment issue It's just going to keep happening over and over and over again until you work on it But then you'll keep feeding into the idea that it's not an issue. It's this thing It's the projection onto this imaginary friend that you've really created You know, um and humans do that it's escapism. That's just we're humans are really good at doing that We're really good at like projecting out of us instead of just actually sitting in our shit And um and working through it realize how powerful we are that we can actually do that that we can create like the shadow Belief of an entity and then actually make it happen That's how much of a create how powerful of a creator That we are and and for that it's just a matter You know, there's has to be a lot of shifting. That's why it's always important to just go back and do the internal work Instead of just saying we're just gonna get rid of this thing and then leave you alone then you're all fine Yeah, because it usually doesn't even work that way anyways You know, I find it too that even when that you're working within the realm of that even when you're You're trying to help someone release an energy Whether it's an entity or whatever, but it's just like this Energy that's this heavy big energy that feels like it's I mean they create it created its own essence, right? um that The the real work still had like okay, so maybe use soften some of that Where it what you know kind of going away, but then the real work still has to happen What created in this place? Yeah true work of Where did that like how? Let's shift that All of that creative energy and let's create something good and something beautiful instead of something Where you're feeding into your sense of powerlessness, right? I tell people all the time is when I do healing for them. I said I get a sense with them and there are a couple people I said I think I said I can remove this but you have to also keep it away I said because I think a lot of people miss it when you take it out Do you know what I mean? Like you remove it Where'd it go? Oh, I'm not myself. Oh, I'm done. I'm and I said you got to stop that I said because what you're thinking you're putting it back I said start saying I am powerful. I am strong. I can do this start saying I can heal myself You have the power You know, I tell that to the couple people and I said you got to take your power back and stand in your own I can help you with it, but you have to do the work as well I can't just do it all for you because if you keep wanting it back. It's coming back And there's nothing I can do about it It's exactly and I've I've had that It's it's my visitor. Yeah, my family She's I'm sorry. She wasn't here before She's the star. She's like camera. Where's the camera? But yeah, I would agree with that 100% Mary it is it's not just a matter of saying, okay I you know, we got rid of this your work is done It's like it's done Yes, because they will miss it, but they don't know they don't think that they do They don't realize how much energy that they've been putting into this thing Right that when they break that trauma drama It's like, okay. Well, then what's what's left and owning your power Can be so much. Um, it can be frightening when you have to do it It can scare you like to own Just how powerful and beautiful and creative you are Right, it can be easier to be the victim Right Like even though you would never really wants to be the victim subconsciously we choose it Because we know it. We understand it. We've been believing it for so long. It's just what we know and then when you have to Uh retrain and reprogram yourself it's um It's it's it can be more challenging than you think for sure Yes, and they feel that void It's like they feel the void and they don't know what to do with themselves So they kind of create that drama back and like no no no no How about using positive affirmations like okay put light in your heart put healing in your heart See see I always tell them get out in the sun Get out in nature I always tell them do yoga walk whatever you got to do because you got to keep yourself empowered and enlightened And I said do not allow these negative thoughts any longer. They like If that's what's attaching to you they kind of like that they feed off of that so don't give them their food Exactly, and then and then just you know helping the person that you're working with understand that Okay, can you believe it in yourself more than you believe in this entity, right? Can you believe it in your capacity to create something? You know really beautiful Can you believe it? Can you believe in that more than you believe in this thing that you can't get rid of it? Right because that's another thing is that they start to believe. Well, I can't get rid of it I can't get rid of it. It's like absolutely you can but you're believing in that so much That It's like no instead of believing that you can just simply believe that you can do Whatever you want. Yes. I have one lady right now that I'm emailing back and forth from I believe the UK if she might be Ireland. I'm not I think it's Ireland actually. I'm sorry Wonderful lady, but she's so Hard on herself and she's always emailing me and stuff. I'm constantly lifting her up. I'm like no no no And she goes I'm sorry. I bug you. I said you're not bugging me. This is my job I said it's called being a person. It's called loving someone and caring, you know I'm not just gonna sit here. Oh, I heal you goodbye No, I'm not healing you first of all your guys and angels are working through me. Okay, let's get that straight Second of all, this is what God says when you have a heart do unto others, right? Why would I charge anybody? I said I don't charge outrageous price. I don't believe in that and if you need a healing I'm gonna hear for you. You can call me. You can text me. You can email me I do it anyway. That's who I am But I I'm trying to empower her To start staying on her own two feet and start doing it herself I said I can talk you to you, but you got to start doing the work too Let's hit on that because that's where I think we're heading because that is something that I see All the time in yoga, especially a practice like ash danga. That's designed intentionally to trigger people I think a lot of people who are new to the spiritual world and doing the spiritual healing They have a misunderstanding That when you step into this healing the spiritual healing, it's going to be rainbows and butterflies and light and love And that comes way later Because when you have to heal it's hard work And you got you can't like you can take you can lead a horse to water But you can't make force him to drink You know as I know for me as a teacher. I can I can say all the philosophy I can tell you everything about the philosophy. I can talk you through the practice I can tell you how to pull your stomach in engage your bundles, but I can't do it for you And with the healing there's also an aspect of that I from my understanding with reiki and any type of Other modalities as well as that you are the conduit But the person who has the issue Is the real spark of life there and it's like when you talk about I see I mean we see I think we've talked about this Cindy like you know a lot of people I always laugh sometimes people come into a yoga shala. They're not it's not because they're happy Like they want if there's something they want to fix like it's not that they're unhappy It's just they know something is missing and so they have or they're intrigued they want to try this There's something that they that's about this that they they want And so but once she gets real Once feelings start to come off that are now going to be the resistance needed to create the friction to create the change all of a sudden there's a panic Because a lot of times people I talked about this morning with Catherine Edwards and Wendy Smith a lot of times people we And I do this i'm guilty of this I'm sure we all are of holding on to old patterns that we don't like because they're familiar Because we know them we know the outcome. There's no surprises Instead of just letting go moving through it and stepping into this world that we don't know that's unfamiliar And I think we're so programmed to think oh my god All the things that could go wrong We're not programmed to think about all the things that could go right Exactly and what that liberation is going to give give you from working through your own stuff And and so I want to with that that idea of working through it Let's pause on that because if someone comes to either one of you for a healing It's not just one and done is it you don't just stop with the healing and that's it like popping a pill and there you go The magic pill it's done. You're free. You're liberated. You're in you're in bliss now It's not like that. Is it no it often that opens up Which is why um, I also offer like more intensives where okay, I'm doing this whole a big package To help because what it will do very often one session Can it open a pandora's box? Because they're they are accelerators the energy set The energy sessions there are catalysts and they're accelerators And then suddenly you're pushed into it and then all this energy and then all these emotions get you know pulled up That then you're like, okay I do now So that's it's usually just one session if you just have like one it's usually just the beginning Okay, correct Yeah, and that's what I tell them. I said I can't carry you You're you're gonna have to do the work but and I and some of them I have one lady today. Oh my goodness From the moment I tapped into her I just started hurting from head to toe But she's been through so much physical trauma and I said I know you're gonna need more I said, please don't take this as I'm shoving myself on you But I said I truly want to help you because I can feel your pain And I said you definitely need more because you've been through so much in your life And you got to release all this mental physical emotional psychological trauma right now And I said And she goes, well, did you see anything attached to me? I said actually no because they only gave me so much to work on you because you have so much I said, I'm afraid if I take you any farther, it's going to be too much for you So that's what I do And it's interesting that that you said that because it reminds me too You know bringing it a little bit back to the entities is a lot of times the entities they won't show up on the first session No, because the first session there's so much of their stuff coming up going on That it's like you have to go through the layers and it might not be until three or four sessions layer We're like, oh, there's there's an entity there But it's been feeding on all this other stuff that Yeah, so um That happens pretty frequently as well He's going oh shit. Oh shit. Oh shit. Oh shit. Oh shit. We've got to hide. We've got to hide. We've got to hide Exactly. Well, I'll do that I'll go under Yeah, yeah Yeah, it's I did I had this as image in my head. I was thinking of a conference in India where there's like So many people sitting on the floor and of course you're out there speaking I'm thinking I wish we could see like how many Other beings are following each person around like how packed that room would really be You know to see like how you know because we can't see it. We just feel it. We we can't see it Um, but yeah, I I'm so glad we talked about that because guys Yes, anything that the same with yoga too like anytime and it's people have said that in ashtanga as well It's because the ashtanga practice itself is designed again. It's designed to piss you off and to force you to like Deal with your ego and to deal with your own attachments and stuff like that and um, which usually come up through the patterns of the ego But somebody said, you know, all these issues Some of i'm paraphrasing what a teacher said once all these issues that the practice pulls up Were issues that you were already going to face in your life to work through we're just going to put it on on a hyperdrive Right, we'll speed it up right now. We're going to pass that we're going to really just speed it up And that's and that's what you picked you picked to speed it up Um, you know, so literally how to keep carrying it on lifetimes. Yeah, exactly On lifetimes. Yeah, I mean charat said once in a conference and I thought this was so fascinating. He said that um, you practice yoga every seven lifetimes And that said to me that it took seven different seven lifetimes for your psyche your consciousness to process All the work you did in that one lifetime where you were dedicated to the practice That's how much is really happening that sometimes you're not even aware of because it's such a subconscious Change, uh going on with you. Um, and so I really want people to understand that whether you're going to marry or Cindy Are coming to my class You're signing up for for work to work Yeah, and all we're really doing is saving you time. That's what I realized at the end We're just saving you time. That's all Eventually, you know, it's going to come out whether it's now and it just depends on the the kind of quality of life That you want right now, but you can keep carrying you as your choice You can keep carrying it with you until you die whatever Or if you want help now, you know, then that's all we do is just save you some time It's like when you're fed up fed up enough. That's when you come in you're like, I just got to do this well, I allow you know as souls we're eternal beings and so God doesn't care how long it takes you're going to have to do the work at some point It could take 20 lifetimes before you finally go enough is enough It's just it's going to have to be done though eventually and you're an eternal soul. So god's like take as much time as you want So I know You know until until you actually do his work But you know we want to pedal around for 20 lifetimes. That's fine But eventually you're just going to get pissed off enough to be like, all right, let's do this Right, you know, um, so well, let's talk about the big one Which is the demonic attacks because I have been a victim of this many many times and of course I do have my own abilities where I you know, I don't Talk about them that much. I'm starting to talk about them more. Um, and I do know the difference between self inflicting attacks versus actual entity attacks From from the demonic realm. So can we we and a lot and Cindy we talked about this on sunday This is actually one of the least common Isn't it the demonic attacks? Yeah, I mean like the big ones You can have little implants that are demonic ish, you know, because um, my teacher used to say anything that comes on to you For the pure intention of being malicious Or to break you down he considered that That was his definition of demonic like these earth-bound things They don't they don't come in with the intention of causing harm, but they just cause harm without Just This is a coat of pen a relationship so Yeah, it's perfect And then he would call like the the the demonic any kind anything that was their energy was It was purely nefarious. It was brought to you to to diminish you and to bring you bring you down And so his definition was just anything that was that and that could be like small little things too like even small little implants or um because because uh Let's see. I was So let me see how I can say this without being weird, but I think we The weirder the better the weirder the better it's fine. That's welcome to the great awakening shit gets weird Because there can be little entities that are brought in by big ones So in other words, there could be like these big they're they're more out there I mean, you know talking about like the head of things like the head The head of the reptilians or something like just big And then they have like their little um, which caught that they send out to There's certain their minions. Yeah That's the work. So these these little minion things those are more common But that would you know, my teacher would consider those demonic as well, you know, the little minion type beings Those are usually, you know, pretty fairly easy to to get rid of as well Once you realize where they're coming from and then sending them back to where where they come from So there's like that kind of demonic, but then when you're talking about just like a full blown on like you know, one of the demons from uh um, the Solomon's book, you know the The lesser book of Solomon like, you know, the from the the goetia the ones that have names. Yeah The ones that have names. Yeah, like those those are actually extremely hard You actually have to call them in. Yeah. So those you don't just get them I mean, you have to invoke them to come in, you know So, you know, like those kinds those are very those are actually very difficult to you to get on you Yeah, um, so yeah, so there's like the the realms and then I think what you got uh, Bride Brides from from I understand they it was uh, it was like more like a curses kind of a thing that created like It was like Yeah, it was little minions coming from, um curses Coven that actually worship Lucifer Conjured up, um, I've learned way more about luciferianism than I ever ever planned on learning but you know, that's So it is, um, but yeah, it's um, it's it it involved Involved. I don't know if I've shown you Cindy the video of Ravi Early one morning when there was something in our in the house. I don't know if I showed you that video I know I sent it to Mary, um, you know, and I tell people a lot, you know with with this It's like there's physical Attacks where you actually people have actually seen me get physically attacked by something Major scratch marks blood Bleeding waking up with blood in my mouth for two months straight Um, I had a tracker in my neck and I remember Cindy you even saying back in December You notice I'd lost a lot of weight and that was when But this the this coven was using my natal charge In harnessing my and according to another friend This is um common and that you do all of a sudden you can't eat because they will usually put something in you And it was in the back of my neck and once it was removed. I was then able immediately to start eating again Um, and um, some other things have happened that I'm not going to say on on air, but uh, you know, people have witnessed people in my life have seen You know body being lifted up have seen the actual attacks and uh the video that I I actually put it on my twitter with my dog Ravi who Cindy has met It was like five o'clock in the morning and usually when I'm up that early I'm usually about to practice and he usually is snoring on the sofa which next life Just side note next life. I want to come back as Robbie. I don't you know, that's his morning practice is snoring on the sofa So and all of a sudden I was getting prepared and all of a sudden he jumped off off of the sofa and the corner His hair was standing up. He just started barking like crazy Barking getting in front of me. Of course, I couldn't see anything there, but I could feel something was there As I told a lot of people I was way more paranoid because I've dealt with this for so long It takes a lot to really scare me. It normally just pisses me off at this point But um and listen, I I've laughed about this before Cindy knows the type of yoga I practice I've had my legs pulled behind my head so many times in india You can't break me. You can't, you know, physically break me. It's not gonna, you know, it's it's fine But uh, Robbie, I was so nervous about waking up the neighbors because it was five o'clock in the morning That was that was the thing I was most worried about but I kept telling it. You have to leave. You have to leave I don't consent I could tell when it was getting closer because Robbie would like back up and then charge forward Um, and of course I have Florida water Do I don't have any honor right now Florida water It's like grab the Florida water and I started throwing it in the corner And all of a sudden I told I told mayor all of a sudden this like awful smell like sulfate Yeah in a video, I'm like, oh gross like just came up and Robbie all of a sudden relaxed So I could tell it had left because all of a sudden Robbie was relaxed again But there's all these tell-tale signs when it's an actual assault on you You know, you're gonna have signs of it. It's it's um You know, if you just think something's watching you or you just kind of feel a presence That's probably different than something that's been sent to literally um annihilate you because demons They're cocky And if they're working for Beelzebub, they want to have a good report when they come back to show what they've done They're not going to leave without you knowing that they're there. So um, and so it's it's uh, yeah It's um, but you know those who and you said this Cindy to me a lot and I really appreciate this I know it's true that when people do participate in like black magics every time you do any type of magic Whether it's light or black it has to go through you first And so a lot of people who participates in black magic it wears and tears on their body You start to see it on them mm-hmm Yep, um One other thing I will add as far as like how things can get on you Uh, is it if you mess with uh, an item That has been like maybe part of a ritual a voodoo ritual or something very specific And uh, because this is I mean I've had this Not me personally, but you know, I've worked with someone who couldn't figure out what the heck was going on But you know, you like if you there's an item and you add it, I don't know First thing if you see anything in the woods Not just ritualistic or or even I always tell this to be like even if you see a rock Yeah, even if it just looks like a beautiful rock Ask it if it's okay to come home with you before you just bring it home and do whatever with it, right? um, so anyways Uh, this she had brought it home And because it was like this curious looking, you know, and she thought it was like, oh, this is a cool thing It was it was like meant for me that kind of a thing Put it on put it on the altar Of anything so she's put the you know puts it on her place of worship like a Stephen King novel And it caused something whatever ritual was being performed there whatever whatever Entity that they were calling up From that it got on her. Oh gosh So that can happen You so you can get stuff by picking up things that have been part of rituals or ceremonies or You know that just have that that energy in it So watch the things that you bring home That's why I will never go antique shopping because oh no no no People actually bring home all the people's clothing. I'm like, why would you do that? Why would you do that? I never bring home antiques or anything if I don't like the vibe. I'm gone I won't try I was thinking the same thing my mother so most of the furniture she had was inherited through the family But I had this like vanity in my bedroom when I was a little girl and for those who don't know what vanity is It's like the mirror with the little desk or the little for makeup and jewelry And I was little and it sat kind of caddy corner in my bedroom And my mother was very house proud. That's a very southern thing So like we couldn't hang posters in our bedroom, you know, it was she had paintings and it was all antique I would literally lay there in my bed at night with the covers over my head because I did not want to look in the Mirror of that vanity because I was sure I was going to see something and even as a little kid I was like, no, no, no, no, no. I was like so out by that. So I get that I totally get that I'm sorry near as to our portals. I mean has one that's haunted. So yeah, she covers it and it's in her spare room I don't I don't have mirrors in the bedroom for that reason. I don't either. Yeah Listen listen, Cindy knows down here in the south everything's freaking haunted. So I take that seriously So We don't we let me know codependency. We don't we don't need any like you need to go in the light It's fine. Just go into the light. You don't want to live in the mirror for the rest of your life And I definitely don't want to my bedroom with me. So Um, so yeah, yeah for sure So with people who are dealing with like myself like I know for me I know what I've been doing and it's been working and it's been great because I've had experience in this But if somebody for both you ladies if somebody thinks That there is an issue with an entity or a demon or whatever What would there what what does a healing session look like if that is the case? Like let's say it's a demon. Let's let because we talked about the entity removal and it's working on the person but if it's an actual Demon that's been summoned and is following our the person picked it up not knowingly What does that type of healing look like in order to cut those? Those cords that are attached to that Cindy, I don't know. I haven't had that yet. So I don't know if you have thankfully I haven't had that yet But you know when it gets to to that point is it's usually a convert for me Because this is the way that I was taught how to do it You I it's I have a conversation with the demon. We're we're in conversation And this is where I also get to find out more there and and this is where um to They can be very Manipulative when you talk to them and they can pretend to be of the light They'll they'll tell you whatever they need to tell you so that you'll you'll leave them alone But it's usually and but uh, it's also the conversation has had through the person So the person that has the entity They are the ones it's their voice So it's their body because it's on them They're Chan. It's almost like they're kind of channeling the the information the voice of the entity And then the person then who's uh, who hasn't attached they're participating in it as well And so it's usually just a conversation Um, and then it there's a lot of like dialect like convincing and then there's the person Which is a really important part of it the person who it's on They have to really step in and help to push it because I don't pull it out by myself They have to because if it got on them There was some kind of invitation of some form Even if it was a subconscious invitation even if they didn't mean to they said even if they were vulnerable Yeah And they have to break you like you have to go through the process of them If there was contracts they have to break the contracts, you know, they have to I mean it it it actually just really depends on I wouldn't say there's like a one-size-fits-all way of doing it because it very much depends on the entity It depends on the person and it's just like this dialogue and then yes, there's a lot of art like archangel michael The the warrior spirits of light. I mean you're not I'm not like in this even the magiling, you know There's a lot of um, because you know how we talked about how the magiling there they they That's part of what they did too as priestesses. They could get rid of demons. So it's like you have all these Things that are working You know like the sacred beings the true the true beings of light Who are there as well? And uh, eventually at the end it's the person becoming strong enough To finally push it off and then you're just helping them Pull it out back on the archangels and everything you're just helping them pull it out and just sending it Sending it into the light, but that person has got to also push it off So let's pause on that for a second I want to make that clear If if a demon is being removed the person who has the demon is the one that's actually doing the bulk of the removing They have a person a contract. Yeah Yeah, if that person isn't involved the demon's not going to go anywhere because there that's that you're the one You're the contracted one And that's what I did months ago. I did one with uh shanti in south africa She actually had me go and speak under like hypnosis go and speak to this demon and ask it what it wanted I had to communicate with it in order to help push it away Um, and so I totally get that and so I want people to understand that like Cindy mary anybody that's a light worker is not the person removing the demon They're just there as a spotter They're back up Yeah, you're the backup. I'm glad Cindy said that though brice I'm glad Cindy said the maglan and michael and I call on yasha because I call all three of them of every healing I do And there are times I have to have them come in and remove things and maybe I haven't been shown That it's a demon attached to somebody But I've actually had to have them come in and help me remove stuff that I know I couldn't physically I can't you tend or go right past I know I see that all the time I keep doing I'm thinking what's in front of me But just like I'll go and hey girl. Hey, yeah But I have I call him all the time I call all three of them and so I'm so glad you said that Cindy about mary maglan I'm like, oh my gosh. I make so sense why I call her Because there's just and I'll in mother mary. I call everybody. I need help. I need help And then I've had a couple people where I had to have their help me Literally helped me remove stuff But I didn't see like the demon. I didn't have a conversation with it But I know I'm gonna get training on that now you say that I keep hearing the downloads You've got to do this. Oh jeez. Here we go Yeah Well, it's scary. I mean for me when shanti put me under and I had to go talk to the demon It's a little bit frightening to go and look but that but that but that in itself Is part of getting your power back He's actually standing up to it and the weirdest that's happened when I actually walked up and like looked at it it kind of shrunk Like it was actually freaked out that I was like wtf Yeah, you know, yeah, they don't they don't like to be seen Yeah They prefer to go back and and they'll get mad at you when you keep calling them up Because they're like leave me one of the first things that they'll say to you when you're trying to talk to them Is they'll say leave me alone It's like leave me alone And this is where you need the help mary right? It's like then you gotta Cause it's like nah, we ain't we ain't leaving you alone now You haven't left me alone. I'm not gonna leave you alone. Stop. Leave me alone. Stop. Leave me alone I don't want to go anywhere. It's like a very stubborn feeling to to them Right and see and then because I know I've been a warrior multiple lifetimes I know I've been a female warriors put it that way So it resonates with me Cindy that you say that they're not going anywhere. I'm not giving up because I'm not a quitter I'm a fighter. I will I will I will help somebody to be free Hands down hands down. So I don't care if it takes me all day. Yeah So, yeah, um, so that and it can take more than one Well, you know, then this is where we get back to okay, is it something that they created themselves Is it a real is it a real presence? Like how how long it actually takes for them to feel If they were even if it if you know if it was a true demonic thing Did they have some kind of attachment to it? Are they Yeah, so it can take more than just one Session to recover because then it's a matter of then you have to like help them reprogram their whole body. Yes. Yeah Yeah, and I and I will say like for the last four months This has been like a battlefield for me because I know I know where mine's coming from I know exactly where mine's coming from and it's a coven and they keep doing more and more spell work and it keeps But but I actually feel like over the last four months. I actually Getting healthier because the more it happens the more I now know how to push back and so um, so yeah, it's it's it's so much about the person that's experiencing this you are You are whether you want to be it or not. You're the star Who the person that's getting attacked you're the star of the show And so you can't come in and get someone else to do it for you But isn't that isn't that just true in any type of spiritual realm? No one's going to do it for you They're just a pack of dancers. You got to do it yourself. Right. And um, I'm just here to help. Yeah So it's a guide. We're just guides guides to give you more information You know We were chosen to be that conduit they choose us because they knew we could do it And there are times you think I really can yeah, you can you know My guides will tell me the whole time like I told Bryce. They literally had to kick my ass in the shower Get yourself out there and I'm oh jeez. Here we go Let's let's focus on that doubt too because Cindy mentioned that in the beginning about the doubts that that creeps in So let's let's end on that because I know a lot of people experience self-doubt And as I said before we have record, you know crazy people don't think they're crazy If you think you're crazy, you're probably not I think I'm crazy all the time I wake up Yeah, every you know, it's pretty normal for me to wake up and be like, damn, I'm not just crazy But sometimes like this wind Assault doubt will come through with that and um, and I think it's very common for you So that if you if you're watching this in in your healer, especially this kind of healer That's that deals with things that are just on the fringe and strange And um, it might not make sense, you know, it might not make medical sense It might not make rational sense because I'm actually a very rational person. I mean I studied um, you know, what's a college? I was a biology major I mean, I love all that is medicine and science And so like that part of me Very much exists And so I think that part of me very often comes in and says girl He just he's just making this stuff up And then the self-doubt comes in too of What, you know, can I do a shit? I or And am I really doing anything? Am I actually really helping people? Am I, you know, am I just making all this up? I mean it's it that comes through. I think More frequently and and this is after years, you know, and like you'll you'll go through it when you first start Of course, you get like the whole imposter syndrome. Yeah, but 20 years later It still shows up. It'll just come out of nowhere like this thing this doubts It's like it's this almost like this wind that comes through and just fills you with that same idea again You're like, oh my gosh. I thought I've already dealt with this But that's the interesting thing about I think just healing in general being human It's we're always on the spiraling path and so the things that you thought you've dealt with They'll just they'll come back And you're like, oh, there it is again. There's that doubt again Like you've seen the lacking confidence of yourself and your abilities and I think that's just part the part of being human part of the process Yeah, it's I think it's a healthy part. Actually, I'm not most too much doubt is a bad thing But I think when that doubt creeps in it does help us to keep ourselves in check With our own ego with their own reasons for doing this and and um, so when that doubt creeps in what do you do to reground yourself I just talked to my guides and angels. I just like no I was chosen for this I can do this, you know, if I meant to do more of the DM removal Even though I doubted myself but deep down in my in myself here in my heart chakra I know I can do it, but I'm getting the training. I'm not doing it on a whim. There's no way So when that doubt comes in I just say nope not mine gone. I know I can do it. That's exactly what I do For me depends, you know depends on what is kind of what is springing up for me If like if it's like a true like a wound that's resurfacing And then how I have to talk to myself again through that. Is this like the is this the inner child that's coming back again? Or is this like you know What's actually what's the deeper thing that's that's going on here and um But there's part of what I do through my work too. So I think that I uh, that's why I do it to myself Is you know the shadow work which I do with the energy is like helping people with the inner child and those voices and all that Well, I still have one too. Yeah, you know mine mine are still there. So, you know for me, it's just a matter of Looking at what still needs Healing there a little tender loving care. Well, that's that's important. Yes Even though we move through I mean we see this in the ashtanga practice all the time because as Cindy knows There's six different series and so you'll go through a primary series Which takes a while to get through years to get through sometimes And you'll work through all the stuff that comes up as your body starts to open and create new patterns stuff Obviously surfaces and you think you've worked through a lot of stuff and then you start second series Which is the bash it crazy series and that's when all that stuff will come back up again, but like Magnified and so and that's that's just part of being human You know and understanding that these wounds are always going to kind of be little soft spots in you But part of that power is understanding what that is You know and not living in that wound when you can spot it for what it is and then there's power there there's a sense of like Not necessarily controlling it, but like understanding it for what it is And and that I think that in itself is part of taking your power back in your healing when you have that liberation I know shri swami siti jananda talks about that is separating knowing. Okay My body is feeling this right now And when you can say it that way you can start to observe it and look at it except for like totally Identifying with it to the point where you're projecting stuff out and then calling things in unintentionally, you know Um, and that's part of the process. I mean we're wherever. I mean even after we finish this life We're still going to go to another planet and have to do it all over again more stuff And then I find usually on the other side of that that there's usually an up leveling that will happen Yeah, I was going to say that There's something that happens and it just brings you down You know, but then you you exercise like okay. What is what is this? What is this really about or is this also me just sabotaging because I have a tendency to do that Like I will feel some create something because I want to stop myself like for whatever reason More growth is I feel like it's too much for me or I don't know, but there's You know oftentimes when something comes out there's On the other side of it. There's an up leveling growth And I met the part of me that's resisting it Yeah, you know that that doesn't that's that just kind of wants to stay within this nice little cushy But I know I know that we're talking about the subtle body the energetic body, but even with the physical body I tell students all this to all the to the gross body Usually when a student Is like all of a sudden they're trotting along their practice their practice and all of a sudden they get really tight And clumsy and they feel like they're taking like five steps back I'm usually like just wait a couple of weeks you're going to bust through and all of a sudden a couple weeks later It's right before they bust it through and all of a sudden flexibility has increased drink has increased It's funny, but it's kind of like I heard somebody describe it like um What's this slingshot that I was like David and Goliath. What's this thing? Pictionary here. What are we doing? Where you have to sometimes you have to pull back into the darkness Before it releases and you spring further into the light and so you can feel that coming, right? I heard somebody explain it once here in the united states where we drive on the right side of the road If you're going to make a turn left You have to stop first before you change direction You know it's that pause Because something's about to change And so I'm glad you brought that up. I was thinking actually I was thinking about the tarot cards like the hangman Sometimes you'll see that in people's reads and the next card next to it is like the three of cups where it's in celebration So it's like telling you you're in this pause right now You know and things can surface a little spring cleaning and then boom I'm going through that right now, right? So I know exactly what you two are both talking about It never ends never ends I've been feeling it too. That's why I kind of brought it up because it's it's real It's it happens. I mean it happens And I think especially when you get when you're doing the the healing work, whether it's you know teaching yoga or the That passes through you. So it's it's good. It works through you first So all this stuff that you're channeling it's like going through you and and it's going to work your body And it's going to work your traumas and it's going to work all your insecurities It's going to do that Just as much as going to do the other person's because you're you're the the conduit that it's happening through and so You're always I know I always feel like I'm in process Yes, I get that. You know like I'll feel good for a little bit suddenly. I'm like, oh, what is this? What is this thing that's this feeling that's creeping in? You know, it starts to come up. Yeah Yeah, yes. Yep. No. Yeah, that's you know, it's that yeah, and that's why I mean on a daily basis That's why a lot of our stronger teachers get up at two o'clock in the morning to practice before they teach because they want to work through themselves Before handling somebody else's energy Listen, I don't I practice I don't teach my sore anymore But I didn't do that I did that a couple of times and I was like not for me I did it afterwards but uh, but um, you know that that is why that's the purpose behind that is to work through yourself Because you're about to take on other people's energy and so you got to like stabilize yourself first So all right ladies, we're like over an hour now I don't want to keep you guys too long so now you're both super super busy But I'm going to put down in the description box of as always Both Cindy and mary's contacts. Of course Cindy has her youtube channel sacred garden yoga where she has so many fascinating Uh discussions and topics on different uh Different little subjects regarding the big subject of healing So if that's something and you're new to the spiritual world, I would totally suggest going over to a channel So you can listen to all these conversations. Do you knowledge is power, right? I mean ignorance is less, but knowledge is power yes I mean But interesting is that far we were just blissed out But you know so so the more you can learn that the more you'll have a better understanding for yourself of your journey that you're now embarking on So um and of course mary, I will be putting your email address down below People want to contact you for healing as well and um and yeah And from everybody listening like let us know if you have any more questions and I've said this to Cindy before I think I've said this to you Cindy before You know for the three of us we've been in this world for a very long time And so sometimes I know I forget sometimes that there are things in the spiritual realm of healing That I just assume people know but they might not know And that's just my bad, you know And I think that's common when people are just used to talking about things used to being in this world That they take advantage of the fact that there might be some stuff that You just assume people know so there are things that you want us to elaborate on more That you're maybe confused about just leave that down in the comment section below And we can do a follow-up and answer your questions and try to help you guys gain some clarity on your own journey So yeah, and remember you don't have to do it alone. No, that's what we're at Yeah, you don't have to do it alone. It's much easier. I mean you can try to do it alone And you're more than welcome to do it alone. There's a lot of people but I find that just having people it's it's so much it's so much easier Yeah, and we've actually taken regard and we've got a few students coming in now from the esoteric atlantic community That are now coming in and participating So Yeah, I know I'm always I'm always I'm always like, oh no when they come because my class is like kind of the mean class I'm always like sorry So anyway, all right guys, well, thank you ladies both so so so much and thank you guys all for watching we love each and every one of you and You know, this shit is hard sometimes but as rom dos the beautiful rom dos used to say as I always say We're all just walking each other home. We're all in this together No one gets out of this world alive. We're all just walking each other home. So so Just know that you're not you literally aren't alone every bit. We're all with you in this So, all right, ladies. I'll talk to you both soon. Bye guys