 Oh my god, they're doing the Ligma stuff again. So I think we're live, right? Hey, we're live. Hello. OK. I'm still showing as waiting for amusement insiders on YouTube. I restarted it. They're refreshed. Guys, I'm getting it. Just go ahead and refresh. That's so weird. Yeah, we're live. OK, perfect. Yes, it shows live on Google Hangouts. But they don't know. Hey, guys. OK. So just to start it off, this stream is not going to be our typical weekly update stream. This is actually our Cedar Fair 2019 predictions. We're going to do them as a team. That way, you get more than just one person, one dude, or one girl behind a camera going, yeah, I think this part is getting this. It's a discussion. And I think that's better. I think that's better idea of what potentially is going on when you have more people discussing it. So hopefully you guys like this kind of concept. Also just wanted to say this is one of, it's either the last or second last time we'll be using Google Hangouts. We are in the process of building a paid service, using a paid service to host our live streams now. So it will be higher quality. Our patreons will be able to connect with us and participate live on the screen. So we have some dude building us a really cool concept for that to incorporate more of you guys into our streams and be more participation. So hopefully you guys like that too. So let's get right into it. So these aren't really ranked in any order. So don't get triggered. We're just going to go like biggest to smallest. And by biggest to smallest, I mean, multiple factors. So don't get too triggered. Let's start off. So you have Cedar Point. And Cedar Point just got steel vengeance. There's a lot of rumors going around about Cedar Point. Will Wicket Twister be removed to make way for the open beach concept? Is it going to go to CGA or another smaller park? And I actually strongly disagree with the whole Wicket Twister removal. And the reason I disagree with this is the coaster wars, despite what some may think is starting again. Magic Mountain and Cedar Point are definitely going head to head in some form of building these awesome massive coasters. And I just can't see them removing a coaster on top of that. Canada's Wonderland and Cedar Point are tied for coasters. And if they remove a coaster without replacing it, they're actually allowing a park like Wonderland to step in front. And that would never happen. That's part one. And part two is the kind of attraction I see coming to Cedar Point is I see a Sky Roller or a family expansion or a dark ride. Those are the three rides that I think we could potentially see at Cedar Point. To be honest, any one of these could be a great concept for the park. And I would be excited for any one of them. The park desperately needs a family expansion in my opinion. But I think a dark ride would do wonders for the park. And I also think a Sky Roller would be really popular. How about you guys? What do you guys think? I agree with the family expansion. Well, I'll jump in. I personally think that we've seen a lot of ride expansions at Cedar Point for obvious reasons. It's, you know, the favorite park of the chain in a lot of ways. But I know we also saw sandcastle suites come down. So I think it's about time that they focus on either a new hotel or maybe a show building to replace what's been removed. Mm-hmm. Anyone else have anything to say? I was coming to Cedar Point if it's different from what I said. So obviously we're getting their removal of which is a wheel, which is their enterprise, Gen 1 enterprise. I agree with the family area expansion. But we can also see something other than a Sky Roller. We could be seeing a Gen 2 enterprise in that spot. So basically like replacing which is wheel. And if they end up do actually going along with a kid's area expansion, maybe we can be seeing a kid coaster there. Maybe something small like flying a serial chase or kitty hogs or a thing. But yeah, that's what I think is going to come. But a Sky Roller is not out of the question yet. Mm-hmm. And I think they could also get something on the lines of a Zamperlet air race. Looks like a pretty thrilling ride. Seem to be decently reliable. The Gen 2 enterprise thing is pretty cool though too. Yeah. All right. I mean, it could go any way for Cedar Point. Cedar Point's the biggest park, but they just came off of a massive year. So we know it's going to be somewhat smaller, but Cedar Point's under like a massive expansion plan despite, you know, enthusiasts hoping that Cedar Point isn't going to get anything big in the coming years. It's actually going to be quite the opposite. They just built a massive hotel and they have to match, you know, the expansion of their hotels and the property they're buying off property with investments. So I wouldn't put it past them to even get two of these on the list and still get a big roller coaster in 2020. Just based off of the dollar for dollar that they have to match in terms of investment and they need people to come to those hotels and stay there. Does anyone else have anything to say about like other things like the beachfront, what they could potentially see? You know, I said something about Wicked Twister not being removed, but do you think it could be moved elsewhere in the park? I think it could possibly be removed. I think if they wanted to use as much land as possible, I think they could possibly pull the disaster transport like and remove it for like to work on their boardwalk or like a boardwalk expansion too. I agree that it's possible. I think it would have to be financially really worthwhile because that is not a cheap feat to move a ride like that. So it would have to be for some kind of gigantic expansion or really huge new attraction. For sure. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. For sure. I don't think the removal of Wicked Twister is like fully out of the question yet. I don't think it'll happen this year for during the 2018 off season, and I also don't think it will happen in 2019. But maybe in the 2019 off season, maybe we can you know see how because, which as we always removed, because of the attendance, maybe depending on what could twister or like how much money they're using to maintain that, you know, then we can see from there. But for now, I just don't see them removing it. Yeah. All right. Anyone else have anything to add on to Cedar Point for 2019? Carolins. So this is one of two parks that is the biggest announcement in Carolins history. And to be honest, we all, I feel like everyone was kind of shook by the Carolins one. The Canada's Wonderland one, very predictable in my opinion. The Carolins one, not so predictable. So I was sitting here like, well, it's not just going to be the Mac multi-launch because of Fury, that year, if I, no, no, that was 2012. But so my prediction, so this is an expansion park. So Carolins I predict is probably going to get a Mac multi-launch. And by probably, I mean, they're getting a Mac multi-launch. With that, they're going to get a new themed area that's pretty evident in terms of the construction that we're seeing around the area and teasing and the theming. If it's going to be a lot larger than Fury's investment, I'm predicting a family flat ride and a restaurant to go along with it. Now I predict that some of you will probably have differing points of view. So what do you guys think? What's coming to Carolins in 2019? I think you hit it on the dot there with everything, especially with the family flats and the restaurant. I think they're going to want to make an immersive experience in 2019 at Carolins and everything you put on there essentially does that. So I think you hit that right on the dot and I completely do that. Yep. I would agree as well. I think it's going to be a big overall sort of revival and retheme of the park. And all these characters that Carolins has been slowly bringing into the framework, including Granny, including the mayor, including all of these characters that are for each of the rides. I think we're just going to see a lot of that become a lot more present in the park. And I think it's going to be a big sort of overhaul. And it's just going to make the park refreshed and look like a brand new park. Whatever this is, the biggest announcement, it's got to be bigger than Fury. I mean, so I agree when we think that there's going to be a whole new area of the park with a new restaurant. Of course, the Mac multi-launch. A lot of people are saying that there's a possibility of it being an extreme Mac spinning coaster. But personally, I just don't see it. But yeah, restaurant, the coaster, maybe a flat or two. But with this, I mean, we can really see how Seerfare is really bringing back something in such a big way. Because this is one of the few coasters. I mean, we're starting to see Seerfare just step up their theming. And this, with the whole process of this and the storyline of the other coasters, that this really just shows how much thought they're putting into this. And whatever it is and whatever else that comes and accompanies the Mac multi-launch, it'll be sure to be a fantastic addition for the Carowinds folk. Awesome. And what about you, Cobas, anything to add? Also, adding one really quickly. Don't forget that they're adding in a hotel in 2019. So that's an interesting topic of discussion. Sorry, I just like totally inserted myself there. But are the hotels included in these announcements? Because as we know, Seederfare says that hotels are not part of the the investments. So when they have their two separate investments that Seederfare do, they have their in-park investments and out-of-park investments. So it's interesting because it very well could be that. But based off of Seederfare's terminology, these aren't included in investment. It would be weird to see Canada's Wonderland announce a hotel two years in advance. Yeah. It's interesting topic of discussion though, Easton, though, because you could be very well right. It could just be including the hotel. They could mention that they're getting a hotel but not, like, give out all the details. And then the following year when it's supposed to open or whatever, if it's not opening next year and the year after, they could give the rest of the details. So I don't know. Anything else to add on to Carowinds? We're here for Carowinds. Kings Island. Five is a live triggered. So Kings Island is definitely not getting anything big in 2019. We don't see any teasers. We see teasers for 2020. I'm sour about it. But my prediction is Kings Island is probably going to get a flat ride, maybe a family flat ride on top of that. And we're going to actually start to see prep for 2020. Now a lot of you, when you saw the video, Son of Beast being redone, blah, blah, blah, you're assuming that I was saying that they're going to rebuild Son of Beast. In no form do I think they're going to rebuild Son of Beast. What I'm trying to get at is the lore of Son of Beast is probably going to come back. And I think that's going to be kind of like the theme of the new coaster that they build. So if I had to make a prediction for 2020 in this video, at this point I'm saying either an RMC or a giga. And in fact, if it's an RMC, I think Coasternet is the closest to the right answer in terms of what kind of RMC they would go and get. So if you want to check that out, definitely go check out Coasternet's video on the Son of Beast revival if you want to call it that, because I think they hit the nail on the dot if it's an RMC. But I think we're going to see something different and bigger, and it's going to be something to do with Son of the Beast and the storyline. Not they're going to build an RMC Son of Beast. But what do you guys think about King's Island? This is a tough one. Just before we start this, thank you to CoasterCamp. CoasterCamp says King's Island giga 2019. Oh boy. But concerning 2019, yeah, probably a flat ride or maybe towards the families and maybe a new restaurant or something like that. This year they added in a new restaurant so they might do the same thing. This next year, just something small just to get ready for 2020. I think I definitely think that it's going to be a site of an off year for them. But at the same time, them receiving a new ride. I believe it will be a flat. Could we see it being a thrilling flat? I don't know. A lot of people have speculated that it's going to be ANSI cars. That's a very popular rumor. And that was actually the rumor for last year. I do agree with for 2020. And I actually also believe this isn't a I think that this is personally an unpopular opinion. But I can see King's Island getting a sky warp. Feel free to fight me. No, I can't. But I feel like we can definitely be seeing a sky warp. It's up to you guys if you guys want to call it a coaster or not. But I'm kind of like mixed between them. But it could be a sky warp. You know, that's something new. Something innovative. And I think that it'll be very thrilling for everybody. So, you know, I'm triggered. Okay. Anything to add on top of that? So what Easter is brought up the King's Island Giga 2019 thing to that I say King's Island Giga 2020. I think this year is going to be a year with a smaller addition. Yeah, definitely. Sorry. Sorry, would you say Jasmine interrupted you? Oh, no, I was just saying I agree with that too. I think it's possible to see a giga coming, but I don't think it's going to be next year. Okay. Everyone wants to fight me now because I said a sky warp. I don't think Cedar Fair is investing in the sky warps. Not yet. We don't know yet. I mean. All right. Let's move on. Anyone else have anything else to add on to a spoiled park in a good way? Don't they're definitely getting something big coming soon. And Vince, I did just get your message on Instagram. I can't read it yet, but I'll definitely read it as soon as the stream is over. Thanks for messaging me. Canada's Wonderland. Oh my God, Easter. So out of nowhere, I just want to talk about this for a second because not only are we not getting a media event. So they're not having a media event. They dropped this news two days, pretty much two days before the announcement, our biggest announcement in history. And for those of you that know, if you want to deny it or not, or if you don't believe me or not, that's totally fine. I actually totally understand why people would think the blueprint, blueprints are fake, blah, blah, blah. But we've known some stuff about 2019 and we weren't even expecting it to be the biggest announcement in history. This one's a little confusing because the hotel is not opening until mid or late 2020. So I can't see the hotel being announcing us. They're going to announce it with this, regardless. But I still find it weird, you know, that it's our biggest announcement in history and it was just dropped. No tweet, no nothing, no mention of it, just on their website, our biggest announcement in history. I found that a little, I was like, could have been done a little better, but that's okay. So my prediction for 2019 at Canada's Wonderland, and this is a rendering designed by Dustin, one of our patreons. So the height is, my prediction for height is 213 feet. It's going to drop into a 15 foot valley and we know that from Google Earth. And then the tunnel depth is around 24, 25 feet. The total height of the drop, sorry, the total drop in this coaster should be around 255 feet. And for those of you that have followed us on this journey, the longest, know that the, we've always been mentioning 255. That doesn't mean we've always been on board with 255, but 255 has definitely been a recurring number for amusement insiders and our predictions and all that. So it's interesting and I can definitely stand behind that number firmly and say that I strongly think this coaster should be around 250, 255. The length according to Planet Coaster and No Limits brings us to anywhere between 3,800 feet and 4,300. I'm going to put myself at 4,000 feet to be safe. I think there's going to be three inversions, but four is kind of a stretch that would be lucky. I don't think there's going to be a fourth inversion. So for those of you that watch the prediction layout, I actually think the fourth inversion after the MCBR is either a splashdown or an airtime hill and not a corkscrew, but we'll see the announcements in two days. So we'll know soon. And I think coming with that will be Winterfest. We're going to see a gold pass. This is going to be a new themed area from the entrance of Timber Wolf all the way over to the coaster. You're going to see a restaurant Renault of Backlok Cafe. You might see a movement of another mountainside cafe. You're going to hopefully see a vortex revamp. And by the way, these are listed in most likely to least likely a vortex revamp. And then there's been a lot of weird activity in Splashworks. And I think that if it's the biggest announcement, someone's mic is... And you may see a potential water park upgrade like we see every year. I mean, it's not out of the ordinary. Wonderland's been getting really large investments every year now. Last year for a small year it was still really large. You got the water park expansion and it was a big one for the kids. And you got two flat rides. So who knows? Biggest announcement in history. I mean, we had Leviathan's Starlight Spectacular and Dinosaurs Alive all added in the same year. So this has got to outdo that. What do you guys think? That was a lot of words. So I feel like part of their biggest announcement thing is going to be appealing to the three types of crowds. So those who like high thrills, the families and those who like to splash around in the water park. So there's the big coaster that's coming. There's going to be some family ride for sure, in my opinion, as well as a water park expansion. Either a slide tower or some new addition to the splash area that was just added. Something like that. In terms of a restaurant reno, I think they will do that, but possibly add in different food options around the ride area itself. So, yeah. I completely agree with what you said, Brendan. I think you got a pretty spot on because with them adding in all these new parks and winter fest, I think that will all add up to the biggest announcement. And we can also not only are we talking about the dive coaster, but we're also talking about the whole theme around the dive coaster and adding in to that biggest announcement. And that's it just all adds up into their biggest announcement. I think they could easily lean on the fact that they will no longer be a season, a single season park as the biggest announcement ever because people have been long theorizing that Wonderland is going to build a dome over the park so they can be open year round and all of these silly things that may or may not have some truth behind it, but I think that just saying like, hey, we're going to be open, maybe not fully year round, but they can kind of harp on it that way to be like the biggest announcement because it's something the public has wanted for so long. And it is a pretty big deal that a park this far north is going to actually open its doors through the winter. So I think that alone could actually be used as the whole biggest announcement in history thing because it's a very big first for them. But I totally agree. I think it would be a big part of the development market. Upgrade the splash park, add in something for families, and add in this new big thrilling coaster. But yeah, I think there could be some other stuff going on as well. Like I'm really, really hoping for a new front gate. We really need to see a revamp there and they could use that as a way to re-theme larger areas of the park. Like we could really re-theme that front entrance that kind of is just generically themed right now and really make it part of that theme. And I think that can spread into other parts of the park and they can really give the park a single unified theme and that would be a pretty big announcement as well. For sure. It's definitely interesting. Yeah, I completely agree. Winner Fast, Gold Pass, basically everything you said. I'm actually really interested to see what they re-themed for a text to that I think would be mine cards that they revamped the park. And I think that's a sign that it was going to re-theme and I'm really interested to see what they're re-theming, but overall, yeah, I think we're needed on the dot and I think Cobos also needed on the dot with three markets and going with each of them. So I think overall, yeah, huge year and I think everything everyone has said has been absolutely correct. Awesome. Anything else to add? Well, it's an interesting topic of discussion because they just announced on their stock will just call that we're going to be seeing the removal of rides that are no longer popular, right? Yeah. So I mean, there's a lot of rides at Wonderland I could see on that hit list. It doesn't generate a lot. That should be in itself. This is half of CGA Plan Snoopy. All right. Blake, it does not. Does it? 213 plus Skyward is 301. I'm not even I'm not even touching on that. I'm moving on. Moving on. No comment. The Giga theory is dead and not it's very far. So this is an interesting park because it has slid into the expansion park territory. If you notice I didn't list Canada's Wonderland as an expansion park despite them calling it an expansion park. So yes, we are definitely receiving very expansion like investments, but we're not listed as one. So I didn't want to call this one. So not spray farm next year. They just got hang time. So next year I think they're going to get a revamp. So almost if you notice not spray farms been enhancing themselves and it's working. I mean, they crossed over the four million attendance so I expect we're going to see a family expansion with that revamp or a water park. Some sort of smaller yet decent investment that involves revamping an area in the park. What do you guys think? I think if the rumors are true that not it's getting something big in 2020. I think 2019 will be an off year like a new show or just general park improvements and even minus the 2020 they did just get hang time which is maybe I don't know like a family ride or a new show or something like that. That's what I mean. Can I just point out that Jezum stole my giga fans? Oh. I love it. Jezum's now the queen of giga. I am not letting this theory go. I think there's still hope. I'm not the only one that is fun. Can we get a crown? Yes. I agree with you. I think that there's a bit of hope still for the giga but there's still hope. It would honestly be Wonderland's best kept secret because of how many times we've tried to expose it. And it didn't work, right? I mean like Oh. Fluffy, something's wrong with your mic. It sounds like you're almost like sitting on it. I was not. Oh, okay. It sounds like something's covering it. It makes sense. Oh, that was probably my hand because I was like emphasizing with my hand. Back on topic. Not spray farm. Anyone have any different suggestions or beliefs? Flat ride maximum personally. But I think they're just going to focus on general improvements and get maybe a new festival or like event. I would agree with that. I would personally like to see a retheme of voyage to iron reef because it's obviously going to be a smaller year for knots, not a gigantic new addition. So I think it would make sense to retheme an addition that's existing. And that's just my own personal want because I don't love the amusement dark additions that have happened to some of these parks. I think that they were done pretty quickly and they kind of feel cheap in comparison to other parks, dark rides and you know, like look at Universal look at Disney and that's what they wanted to compete with with this whole amusement dark ride. So I think it would be smart of them to retheme those and to do it in a more immersive way, maybe with some animatronics like that and animatronic dark ride would be really fitting for knots and I would like to see them make that investment. But again, that's not what I think is going to happen. That's just what I want to happen. Anything else? I feel like if there's a revamp coming in, they can probably do something to either the calico my ride or the timber mountain log ride. They just did the timber mountain log ride like big time. Also, they need a revamp that towards the back next to voyage to the iron reef and the Charles Schultz theater. So because there's a supposed secondary entrance and I have never seen that be of use or or anything. It's really just a train track going like straight through like and then curving and then there's just like a gate there. And it's really it doesn't really look too good. And so I really think that they should revamp that whole area. Anything else for knots? Moving on? Yep. Moving on. California's Great America, fluffy no ranting. Okay. South California's Great America. They're an expansion park for sure. And I think they're going to be getting a not just a water park expansion but a massive water park expansion with the potential for a flat ride. And I say that and a lot of you are like, no, but they're getting a massive water park expansion. Again, look back at Canada's Wonderland. They if a park like them can get a bunch of attractions in one year. So can California's Great America, especially since it's on a five year development plan if I recall. It's a 20 year plan to add. So I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a massive water park expansion and a potential flat ride. And I also wouldn't be surprised if it just ended up being a massive water park expansion. But what do you guys think? It's a 20 year plan from what I can remember. Oh, snap. Yeah. I was reading something online about approval for a 230 to 240 foot attraction. So I think you're right that there's something else coming as well. They're avoiding the rent. For 2019 for CGA I'm going to predict this being like another off year. I mean, minus the water park expansion. But besides that, I think it'll be the water park expansion and maybe a flat ride. I mean, I don't know. Depending on how large the water extension is, maybe that'll be the only thing. But all I'm going to say is that 2020 probably will be the year for CGA. So I think that's going to be a three K pass. They announced that on Friday. So come on and bring your kids. I agree about the water park expansion. I think that's needed and I think it'll draw in an extra crowd that, you know, it's kind of just himming and hawing over the water park right now. I think maybe we could see like a hotel or resort as well. But like that would count or not. Um, from what I can tell you, there's like, I don't believe there's any way that we're actually going to be getting a hotel. We will at least start seeing land clearing. Fair enough. I think it's just the trend that we're seeing across the board with Cedar Fair. They're realizing like for years and years and years at Wonderland, they said, no, we don't need that. No, there's nearby hotels they partnered with and now all of a time. Definitely. Anything else to add on to CGA? Oh, I can go on for, I can go on a ramp. I'm going to save you guys the time. On that note, Valley Fair, kidding. All right. So Valley Fair, this is an interesting park. No one's talking about it, but on the stockholders call, they were listed as an expansion park. Now they're not listed as a current expansion park. And this is great news for anyone's home park that is Valley Fair. From what I've been hearing, the season past sales are up significantly. The park is seeing a growth. They're seeing growth and they want to invest in it because whenever you see growth, you need to match it. So I think we're going to see a small flat or just a small family ride added next year. And I think bigger things are on their way. You got to give it two to three years for them to be able to plan these things out and do them. So just be patient. I think bigger things are on the way. But for now, still small attractions for the next one to two years. What do you guys think? Sorry, go ahead, Eastern. You go. I was just going to say, like maybe a family ride. Let's breathe family rides. And yeah, something around the lines of that, maybe. I agree. I think next year, we're probably going to see one small addition, maybe some sprucing up of the park. But I think in the future, we're going to see a pretty large water park expansion. I think we are going to, I think we're, we're, we are going to see. I think we are going to see a small flat ride. But can we just note that it says new family thrill ride now open. It doesn't even say the name of the, of the ride. Well, so is it right here? Yeah, but the text is covering it along with all of our icons. So, you know, anyone else have anything to add on to valley fair? I agree with the water park thing. The water park. You know, just up till now, I actually forgot that they had a water park. Hence the need for the expansion. All right. So we're out of our expansion parks now. We're moving into kind of the the medium sized parks and smaller parks. Valley fair was only ahead of Kings Dominion. Trust me, Kings Dominion is a way better park than Canada's Waterland. Please don't get triggered if you're a fan of Kings Dominion. It is only here back here because they're not getting anything big in the next one to two years. That's the only reason I have it back here. So my prediction for 2019 is just a flat ride or small family expansion to Candy Apple Grove, maybe continue it a little bit and continue to invest in Winterfest. What do you guys think? I would say nothing big for the area. I'd say maybe family ride or something like that. So since they did just get to September's and they're announcing Winterfest in 2018 and I can see them also expanding Candy Apple Grove as well. I think they're going to replace their tornado slide that they just had to tear down. Do you think they could purchase something that quickly? Possibly. If not this year they're just going to let it sit and do it next year. Yeah. Remember we saw Wonderland remove those body slides and they set that plan set like set bacon for a long time. They're giant sores alive is getting removed, correct? So I think we could potentially see some prep for what's going to happen to that space and or other spaces in the future. But I totally agree. I think it's going to be a smaller year. Seeing this has me super excited for Winterfest because I think that's going to be a really awesome event. So I think that may be the focus for this upcoming off season and next year we'll see smaller additions in preparation for larger things to come. So we have a correction. So it looks like there is land clearing going on at King's Dominion. I can't confirm this but it looks like they're maybe getting a matte racer slide like at Canada's Wonderland added. I'm being told I should do my research. I'm being lectured by a King's Dominion fanboy. It's okay. Yeah, I dare you not keep track of every single Cedar Fair park. Yeah, I think they're going to get a water park expansion. Well, yeah. And I mean maybe a refurbishment on a volcano. Maybe they'll after a cataract to be seen and to see it open and running well again. And yeah. All right. Moving on. Yeah. Worlds of fun. So this is where it gets interesting. We only have two coasters we know of or even have signs of at Cedar Fair. And I think if there's going to be a third one it's definitely going to Worlds of fun. So my prediction is and this is really out there prediction so feel free to comment down below. My prediction is either it's going to be a small family coaster. Or it's going to be a flat ride. It's evidently not going to be anything high thrill, large scale. We would have already seen something. I mean at most maybe we can see an RMC Raptor but I have a feeling Cedar Fair may have turned down the dial on those if they did have them ordered. Maybe they delayed them by a bit to make sure they're working or all the kinks are knocked out but I definitely think a small coaster at most RMC Raptor or a flat ride. What do you guys think? Brandon, I wish you could see my notes right now because I literally have Worlds of fun. I have one note underneath that says small coaster or large flat. Great minds think alike. True. So someone Well someone on discord said that they are like 99% confirmed to get a food court expansion and then they are either going to be getting a Zamperla Hawk or some other thrilling flat ride but I can see what you mean as in like a small family coaster but I personally I could either see a Superloop or a Zamperla Hawk for their flat ride. Something that doesn't really take up too much space. Otherwise you know yeah we would have seen some sort of clearing going on by now but yeah just something like small like that and some more general improvements as well but Worlds of fun people who go to there just remember I think your guys time is coming. I think you guys will definitely be getting a coaster within the next three years and you guys can quote me on that and yeah I actually agree with you Fluffy if it's not next year it's coming soon and now that you said Zamperla Hawk I'm kind of trying to go on me anything else a lot of you have muffled mics today I feel like jazz and I are like really? yeah we're like the rulers of mics today hey it's cool hang out man that's why no no this is like a you problem I can tell right jasm wow all right moving on Dornie Park to be honest this was this was a hard one because Dornie Park as sad as it is to say it almost fell off the radar for me this year in terms of predicting I really don't know this is one of those parks where I'm literally just throw a flat ride or family attraction at them for my prediction hopefully maybe one of you has some more exciting news for that park right now anyone? I think they could possibly do a water park expansion because Dornie Park and Wild Water Kingdom and they are very famous for their water park so if they wanted to draw in more crowds by not only adding in a family ride I think they also could possibly add in a water park expansion but since their water park is so huge and I think that they could do expanding in there and make it better but yeah do we remember all those those Dornie Park GCI blueprints oh my god that's not earlier in the year I don't think it's for real it's already been confirmed they're not oh okay never mind but as we know they don't like to they always don't add in new things every single year so I don't think that I think this is one of the parts that unfortunately will not be getting anything but maybe in the future I mean maybe next year they can get a nice big thrill ride or heck who knows maybe even they can get a raptor I want to be the devil's advocate here for Dornie Park I'm a stand up for you Dornie they did say when they were removing when they announced the removal of Stinger that it was specifically to make way for future development so I put in my notes here that a new coaster would be nice and I'm going to go ahead and put it out there that it's totally possible I don't think it'll be something gigantic maybe not even something custom it might be moved from somewhere else it might be a clone of something but I think they're making an effort and they wouldn't be saying that if they didn't have plans to do it and Cedar Fair usually makes good on their plans even if the timelines have to shift a bit they're not known to make an announcement saying oh we're going to have future development and then do nothing so we may see like you guys said maybe something smaller for 2019 and bigger in 2020-2021 but I'm going to go ahead and put it out there that it is possible that they plan something for 2019 they're getting wicked twister they can have two intimate impulses yes all right moving on moving on moving on Michigan's adventure now no jokes no way to make this serious so I actually have so Dorian Park may be included in this as well but with the announcement of the big parks since they have so many attractions I mean you look at Canada's Wonderland they have way too many attractions to to run and you have a lot of older attractions it's just really costly for a park like Wonderland to have that many attractions and all the other parks too but Wonderland has way too many attractions and they need to give some up especially those that have zero lines a lot of the time during the day and you have parks that are dying for attractions like Michigan's Adventure, Dorian Park so I think we are probably going to see in the next like one or even zero, zero to five years rides being shuffled around a bit almost rides that aren't necessarily popular at Canada's Wonderland or other bigger parks being moved to the smaller parks that need those investments for hardly any cost and I think that would actually benefit these smaller parks I mean who knows maybe they're going to see one of our flat rides or another flat ride from another park maybe they'll see one of those smaller end coasters that are small for the big parks but wonderful for a park like this imagine Michigan's Adventure getting Time Warp I'm going to get punched now by the Michigan's Adventure fans but imagine that it would do wonders there yeah I think in 2019 they'll get their general park improvements and possibly this is a weird thought so take it as well but I think they could possibly get which is real which is real when I've heard it doesn't have too many issues and it's just like a low attendance ride when I've heard it could be wrong so correct me if I'm wrong but I think they're removing it because it has low ridership so they I could definitely see them possibly moving it to Michigan's Adventure and making up their new ride of 2019 possibly so Eastern I had the exact same idea oh interesting I had the exact same idea but currently right now what I'm doing is I am seeing if they have an enterprise and it looks like they don't they have a mini enterprise like a kiddie one it looks like they have like no rides I'm literally I said no shade okay so from a business perspective this park is at the point where it has to do something if they were looking to sell this park they would still have to put some effort into it into the next couple of seasons in order to attract a buyer because as it is they haven't received a coaster since what 2008 and they haven't received any kind of like thrill rides since the early 2000s you can't count bumper boats as a thrill ride which I guess would have been their most recent attraction so something has to be done whether it's just a matter of keeping this business afloat and making their earnings worth it to actually open the park every year or even if they are looking to sell this park they've got to do something they have to put some kind of investment so I agree with you guys that maybe it's going to be an adopted ride from another park or two but they're definitely at the point where something's got to be done in 2019 I agree I also think that they could possibly get a couple new restaurants or maybe just one new restaurant along same with Nautz maybe they get a new festival or activity field events sort of like how CGA does Taste of War Leans and how Nautz does the Boisenberry Fest or whatever it's called so I can also see that going on as well that's a cost effective way to revive the park I honestly feel like that's why CGA is also doing a little bit well is because of these events and they are very, very popular I'm going to go out on a limb and say if Cedar Fair kept Nautz's Boomerang this is where it's going to go yeah if it was here or next year this is where it would be they'd probably send it back to Holland to get it refurbished and then it would come right back here do we think that if worse comes to worse that they could sell the park worse comes to worse I don't know but so I'm going to correct a lot of enthusiasts here Michigan's Adventure isn't doing poorly Michigan's Adventure is just one of those parks that sits in between King's Island Cedar Point and Canada's Wonderland so it's a park that doesn't need investments like you see at those other parks because it would actually draw away from so I mean if you go through Wonderland's parking lot any given weekend or day in the summer the amount of Michigan license plates that are in there and you go to Cedar Point the amount of Michigan license plates that are there and you go to King's Island, same thing that's the reason Michigan's Adventure isn't getting investments it's not doing poorly by any means it's not up there with any of the other parks but every park is definitely making money and as long as a park is making money they're going to keep it because they're putting that money into other parks so I don't think Michigan's Adventure is going to get sold that could be wrong but until I hear on the stockholders call we're like yeah Michigan's Adventure is holding us down or you know they're you know what I mean but I think they're just lining the pockets right now of Cedar Fair and they're using it as that kind of park I think you could be right it's just weird for a company like Cedar Fair to have a park that they choose not to invest in because they're always looking for growth and that's the one park that they've kind of left stagnant for a while yeah when's the next stockholder call do you know we just had one so it's about two and a half months three months away two and a half probably alright so around October I want my birthday but I think that's it right do any of you have anything else to add on this anything we missed oh maybe a maybe a water park slide for Michigan's Adventure but we are going to do one of these for Six Flags as well we'll probably do that next week or the week after obviously before they announce we just wanted to get this out here because announcements start in two days for Wonderland but yeah I guess that's it thanks for joining us guys have a good one bye thanks everyone oh my gosh