 That's right. I am humbled to be the first Democratic governor reelected in the great state of New Jersey Since my dear friend the late governor Brendan Byrne did this in 1977 Thank you, New Jersey And there you just heard Democrat candidate Phil Murphy giving his acceptance speech yesterday after being announced the winner in New Jersey's race for governor and Joining us live now to discuss one of the many elections that caught the attention of Americans is CEO and founder of stock swush Melissa Armo joining us on the right and Executive and director of common sense democracy Haven McVarish joining us on the left nice to see both of you So we just spoke with our very own David zeer about the New Jersey race and Republicans Coming out quickly criticizing the media for calling the race too soon in particular pointing to the Associated Press So I want to ask you Melissa. Do you think that this was? Too soon to make the call with it being so tight as it is. I Think it was definitely too soon And I think the problem is in order for people to have confidence in the election outcome They need to let all the votes be counted They need to go through the process when it's neck and neck and really tight like that They have to wait when I went to bed at night the election night I really thought that Murphy was going to lose it was neck and neck was within I think 1100 votes and then you get up the next day and all of a sudden Murphy's declared the winner This is really reminiscent of what happened with the 2020 presidential campaign Which every day you thought Trump was up and then the next day was down He was up. It was down people need to have confidence in the election outcome And I think it's a problem when the news media Projects it or says it or announces that then most of the country is just going to believe it and then it's really hard to turn it around Haven't what are your thoughts because again speaking with David Zier. I asked him if he thought a recount was likely he believes so Do you think it's likely and also same question to you as I asked Melissa. Do you think this is too too close to call? Yeah, I mean Republicans anytime they lose now They start to declare voter fraud your reporter David said that very thing three times that he suspects voter fraud that all of a sudden 40,000 votes came out of nowhere That's just how elections are run elections. You don't count everything in the exact same moment Sometimes you get boxes that are piled up and they then count overnight and overnight you realize that You know this particular county is definitely deep blue or deep red And all the votes are going for one candy and that changes it So at certain point you can declare someone's one you don't have to wait for every vote to be counted When statistics will show you that the person is going to win based on the fact that they have more votes And that the votes left to count are 70 or 80 percent from democratic precinct So, you know, I don't know what to say every time Republicans lose nowadays. It's because of voter fraud And you know, yet they are unable to show any voter fraud anywhere at any time Well, first of all, I didn't say there was voter fraud. I didn't say that whatsoever at all I said that they should And although I will say that New Jersey is typically a democratic state that that was so close that there's no way That he could have gotten that men get the Republican could have gotten that many votes if Democrats hadn't voted for him So he got some of the Democratic votes. So I think they need to wait for all the votes to be counted Whether it's 40,000 whether it's 4,000 whether it's 400,000. That's a lot of votes and I will say this too Why are they pulling boxes out? Why are they bringing a mail-in ballot too late? They need a better system and this is nationwide again So people have confidence of the election outcome and the results get people in your get workers in their higher people Start counting those ballots in the morning Do not wait till 11 o'clock at night. Do not wait till 2 o'clock in the morning There's absolutely no reason for them to be counting ballots that late hire people and start doing it early a collection deck Hey, but let me ask you this Go ahead. Go ahead. You just said you weren't casting doubt on the election and then you're talking about Mysterious boxes being brought in late. That is exactly what I am talking about That is just how elections are counted. You don't get all of the ballots at the same time states are big I did not say mysterious boxes, and I did not say election fraud I said count all the votes and count them on election day. Why is this so difficult? So then you don't find anything suspicious about this election Hold on. Hold on. Are you a mistake that this election like Trump's election was fair and that there was no fraud I don't know if it's very not because they have not counted all the votes We're talking about the fact that the AP and the media came out and declared Murphy the winner before they've counted all the votes But haven't haven't hold on hold on I want to I'm going to break this up a little bit because we have a lot to get to So haven't real quickly there has been proof of cases of fraud not widespread If that's what you're going to report said it was widespread have to change the outcome So I want to clarify that also going back to Melissa's point in the initial question In the initial question though that I'm asking is a race too close to call Yes, or no, it's a it's a simple question. No, it's not we're going to find in a week. Okay one After every vote to count it, but we already know that now you don't need to count every vote to know Someone's going to win if they're winning by enough votes Okay, I want to bring in another member of our panel as I said we we're going to have three today So it's going to be a packed house. I want to bring in uh john jackson He's the chairman of decalb county in georgia for democrats So you've been hearing the debate going back and forth between haven and melissa nice healthy debate Which is good gives our viewers a lot to think about uh john jackson I want to get your thoughts on this and we're talking about in particular the new jersey race A lot of republicans criticizing this racing. It's too close to call melissa says she believes it's too close Haven says it's not what are your thoughts on this race? Well, you know, I think that uh, you got to look at the facts And you know once the the results are certified You have to accept the results of the election, you know, I think that For democracy Unless we see overwhelming evidence that That there was some type of Manipulation of the vote, you know, you have to just You know do what's Normally done and if it's within a certain margin depending on what state you're in you're going to do a recount So you can do a recount. That's what i'm asking So should we do a recount because I want to move on to other topics should there be really depends on what Uh, the new jersey law is if the new jersey law mandates a recount for that percentage Then they should do that if if if a certain side wants to pay or you know pay for a recount If they have a right to basically petition or Or a request a recount then then you know that can be done, but the reality is Uh, we got to get away from saying that an election is not valid because our side didn't win Sometimes, you know, sometimes your side is going to lose But how do you do that? But how do you do that because there have been polls after polls and I understand You know what you and Haven are saying but for a lot of the viewers that are watching right now They do believe that elections were stolen. They do not trust the election system So how do you convince them? Is there anything that you can do to convince them otherwise? In other words, can I know there's a lot of to ensure election integrity? Yes, go ahead This is what I would say. I know that there's a lot of passion and respect for former president trump Uh, and but he sold a lot of you know, disbelief An election that was legit his own administration Said there was no widespread voter fraud And so a large portion of conservatives now don't believe in election results when republicans lose because former president trump Acted irresponsibly after the election. The reality is Is his own administration Uh, his own homeland security department his own justice department found no widespread voter fraud So we can't get into this but the key there but the key there though And I'm going to inject real quickly because we're going to have to go to a commercial break And I want to get all of you a chance to respond but the key there Widespread fraud. It wasn't that there wasn't fraud It's just it wasn't widespread according to these reports enough to change the outcome of the election So I want all of you to weigh in on that we're going to make a commercial break So I don't want to have to cut you off. So Haven melissa John, please stick around. I'm going to have talk about that also We're going to get to what all of this means moving forward, right? Because we're dissecting all of these races And some republicans are saying that this is a blueprint for the mid-term elections In fact, some are already making predictions such as Former house speaker newt gingrich saying that republicans are headed for an electoral tsunami That he says could flip four us senate seats and as many as 70 house seats to republican control We're going to see if our panel agrees with that coming up next You