 actually by the way i made our video live and if you all noticed a little live thing all well then not that you're showing anything untoward no pants back on wait this is a podcast not a podcast come on pants not a pants cast so they stay on you you wouldn't even know really you never ever see the bottom half yeah that's one of the lessons i learned uh... coming up on a weekend or not a long weekend at a local fox affiliate that the uh... the local sportscaster came into work he just came up like a polo and uh... like uh... jogging shorts and then he just basically put on a shirt tie in a sport coat and sat down and that was his that was his thing well he's not the weatherman he's gonna get up and walk around a map but how does that sports coat even leave the basement no it actually stays this this thing here uh... rarely i think it left once this past year just to prove i am wearing pants all right i'm glad it was that was how that turned out let's get our show after show sometime during the show i will remove them and then stand up and i will never know when alright here we go the daily tech news show is powered by you when you submit articles send emails and visit daily tech news show dot com slash support your exercising value for value and all the many ways to show the love that's daily tech news show dot com slash support this is the daily tech news for friday april fifteenth twenty sixteen on time they're joining me today mister darin kitchen host producer and founder of the online web series hack five uh... how are you sir oh man tom it's so good to see you it's awesome to be here i'm loving this friday and just like alive so great and wearing pants all of our brand and i also wearing pants we should check with len peralta who's here to illustrate the episode are you also wearing pants land uh... at the right this current moment yes i am wearing pants and uh... it call off call off the dogs it's i should mention there's an amazing venn diagram in fact that shows times in my life when i'm happy times in my life when i'm wearing a pants and we're right now in the car in the uh... country uh... big thanks to jay me lewis by the way who uh... put together uh... a little intro at my request i like could you do one because we can use the old one and he gave me three so keep stay tuned for more jay me lewis interest uh... we are going to talk about three sixty degree cameras cuz darin's had his hand on both the expensive kind and the affordable kind and you're gonna if you're gonna give us a look at creating those videos enough about what they're good for and watching them how do you make them it's gonna be fun let us start off with the headlines trend micro researchers uncovered two vulnerabilities and apple's quick time for windows that are not yet in the wild exploitation would require users to download a malicious video and view it anyway so if you're careful this is not super urgent apple has not updated quick time for windows since january in the researchers a trend say they don't think apple's issuing any more patches uh... and they advise you to remove the program a recommendation seconded by the u.s. department of homeland security apple has not supported quick time for windows eight or ten anyway so we kinda saw this coming would have been nice if this is true which i think it probably is for apple to issue a thing saying hey we're we're not supporting this anymore you might want to remove yet well no that's the thing though is it's still going to be required for so many things especially in the video industry for years and years to come it's just kind of like a staple and it's one of those dependencies that'll just be alive and kicking and to be clear quick time still alive and kicking on os ten so it's not going away it's just going away on windows uh... oh so actually one one could even say that this is actually a ploy for apple to just force video professionals to buy a mac right i mean it's that creeping isolation that i don't like on mobile platforms kind of moving in like we only have safari on os ten we only have edge on windows now we only have quick time well i mean was ten you've only got so many developers so you can only put so much time on every platform unless of course you were to make it like an open standard and let whole universe create for it in which case that what i mean that we all just don't know vlc that would be amazing thanks done over uh... yeah now and you can even get vlc on like apple tv now right i understand i'm just saying like i have too many times uh... played with video production apps that require you to have quick time installed for any functionality happen so it's just sad because you know it's going to be kicking around on some boxes somewhere and so this will be like you know it's like internet of things where you know in a a uh... appliance doesn't get updated because i you know whatever it's just a thermostat uh... same kind of problem there so the upshot of this folks uh... if if if your head still spinning if you run windows uninstall quick time that is what we're install os ten instead because then you get windows no no you have to replace windows obviously uh... uh... yeah don't don't let their confusion just a quick time for windows i had a president shanghai while we had that's the while we be our headsets for use with the p nine phones both versions and the mate eight while we promises three hundred sixty degrees sound along with the video that's their little gimmick the headset delivers twenty millisecond latency and ninety five degree field of view while we will offer for free four thousand movies forty games three hundred fifty panoramic pictures then a hundred fifty panoramic tours they didn't offer us a price or date yet uh... but this is very similar to the gear vr now it is very similar to the gear vr however it is not the gear vr see the gear vr is an oculus based system with its own kingdom it's on walled garden of apps and ecosystem nests similar to how you have google cardboard which is kind of this laissez-faire world of uh... you know things work and we have kind of a front-end ish but there's also no need to necessarily use it and there's millions of different you know flooding the market on amazon of uh... cardboard players that you can pop your phone into so this it's cool to see the phone manufacturers making their own first party ones is obviously it's going to look so much better they know the specifications of of their stuff they can you know tightly integrated the gear vr is a great example of just well-designed vr headset and it's actually the reason why i rock uh... galaxy s seven and why i got the note five before that so i'm happy on one hand on the other hand i would love to see some now that i've played a lot more with the art uh... some sort of standardization across the hand that uh... handset manufacturers and headset manufacturers coming together with uh... more unified ecosystem is frustrating when you know certain apps are oculus another apps are cardboard yeah uh... and cardboard being an open standard doesn't fix that because you you still you still have a silo there it's not it's not widely right microsoft launched a preview of plug-in free skype for the edge browser only uh... it supports voice and video calls including group sessions new version uses object real-time communications or tcs api won't work if you're calling an older version of skype or the mobile app or a non edge browser or landlines but it will work on up to date versions of skype and other people in the edge browser previews rolling out slowly and should be completed by the end of the month microsoft's waiting for each dot two six four video support before they roll this out to chrome and fire firefox uh... and i assume they could eventually put it in the apps as well i feel like i should do my journalistic due diligence and rather than be an open source and standardization fanboy here i should really just like rally behind microsoft and their willingness to make cool stuff like skype available on the web and i put that in air quotes because they're waiting for eight two six four you know something that requires royalties to work on a proprietary browser not to say that we don't have amazing fantastic technologies like web m for instance with its awesome vp nine codex that are supported by open standard browsers like firefox opera and chrome maybe while they're at it they should add support for edge and i e for web m instead of just the proprietary stuff but either way you know why why get everything all standardized anyway i mean so what you're saying is maybe smaller than a baby step but it's a step no it's it's a yes it's a step divergent from the direction of the open web yeah i i wouldn't even say it's divergent it's not towards an open web but at least it's towards the web well at this point times tom i'm actually at sad to say it but whenever i see anything coming to the web unlike all right well i'll joking aside i know what you mean it's like gosh i really wish this was an open standard that was you know available across browsers because it was using web rtc and and and royalty-free codex et cetera but the fact that it's not just some app that's locked up on a platform uh... and has to be developed multiple times or or recoded or whatever is is good and i think it wouldn't it wouldn't have to be if they had just gone with web rtc this is the right but but you know they have to skype a fire so i can't get it microsoft and actually if anything this on the one hand makes me happy that there's something new to the web and not just an app and then on the other hand reaffirms my belief that oh okay okay it's still microsoft because who sometimes they're like throwing bash and windows and i get really confused so more on that later in the show uh... that's not funny is the name of a website and that website has an article uh... where a reporter has found some documentation of new devices from sling tv one of them called air tv they actually have documentation and pictures of essentially it's a device that takes the existing m one sling box hardware and adds a tv tuner then replaces the sling box client with the sling tv client the upshot of all of this is that you could integrate your over the air channels from the antenna into the sling tv app so that you could watch your broadcast channels that you get for free right in the same interface with a m c n e s p n or whatever else you're subscribing to on sling yeah okay here's a thing tom i do not follow enough of this stuff when it comes to like consuming television uh... it's not really a pastime of mine i know that you're it down with the court cutting and follow all this stuff but what i want to know is is this basically area or is it like no it's not air area was a service that said we'll have the antenna and then we'll send this to you what this is doing is saying you'll have the box you'll have the antenna and then we'll use sling sling box like technology to sling it to your app okay so if i'm watching sling tv on my on my ipad right now let's say i can watch e s p n i can watch a m c h d tv c n m but i can't watch my over the air broadcast channels i can pay to get a b c in some markets i can pay to get fox in some markets but what this box would do is say we'll get these channels free over the air and then send them to your app so you get them so i get that is basically an area that you run at home then you're out and there's tons of those okay so just don't integrate into the sling tv service that's right and so the sling tv service is pretty big and i get that tvo does something similar as well so i guess the idea here is you still have to now set one up in the illinois you can watch your home team yes for free right i mean i i have a tvo that i use for my over the air uh and i have a there's a system tvo has where i can watch that remotely uh and then i have sling tv which i can watch on my roku or or my tablets or whatever but this this would say oh well you don't need the tvo anymore except that it doesn't have a dvr now man this is also confusing if only there was a podcast that could simplify it hoardkillers.com folks go check it out we'll be talking about it monday uh page on apple's website detailing the company's environmental initiatives contains a sentence that reads years of use which are based on first owners are assumed to be four years for mac os and tv os devices and three years for ios and watch os so what people jumped on was like aha they didn't say os 10 look at this mac os tv os ios watch os it's the new nomenclature linking out the page has since been updated replacing mac os with os 10 architect notes that brazilian enthusiast site mac magazine recently uncovered another reference to mac os buried in os 10 10.11.4 a few weeks ago i've heard people referring to os 10 as mac os on and off over the years is this just a lax manual writer or is this an indicative that internally apple has switched to calling it mac os yeah i really wouldn't carry the way because if they started calling it mac os it would not change anything for me i've been thinking of it as i'm that guy that's all the constantly correct corrective but i call it mac os 10 i don't know it's os x is it os x is it os 10 is mac os 10 it's the mac os and it always has been and and before that it was the apple os and actually it's it's what's more interesting is just the the years of usage and stuff and i have to throw it out there because i was just visiting this place and in oakland highly recommend everybody to go over to the music the new museum of art and digital entertainment uh in uh oakland because they have all sorts of fantastic gems that you can go and like you know play with uh including an apple 2 running oregon trail so i'm not still getting some use you know that's fantastic uh yeah i kind of hope they do change it to mac os just to get rid of all of that and be like yeah it's the os that runs in the mac makes sense bloomberg sources say that apple has a team of a hundred people working on a program to let developers pay for more prominent placement in apple's app store one option being considered would be paid search placement kind of what google does you pay a little bit your search shows up above the other searches teams also working on improving the browsing experience efforts being led by apple vice president todd teracy who led i add and they're kind of rampant i add down so this may be a thing they want to replace that revenue stream with so yeah again it's just like the open web versus these app stores these proprietary kingdoms you know like aol and prodigy back in the day the the whole idea is oh well once you have the platform you can do all sorts of those you know things to monetize i mean i know that in my amazon search results trying to find the right product there's always sponsored listings and such so this isn't anything new uh the question is going to become you know how far does this go with all of these different kingdoms and when does somebody decide that oh even the browser is actually the the kingdom so but yeah this seems like a no-brainer i mean i would assume that eventually google would do the same thing well i i'm not certain they don't uh in the he's talking about in the play store you mean yeah because i mean they absolutely do on search already so and developers want this they want an easier way to be discovered amongst the millions of apps that are in the app store my only question is do we do this in a way that is unobtrusive uh the way google does it in search isn't bad i know there's people have issues with it uh sometimes but mostly it's not as bad as i expected when they started doing it bing does it as well and they do it well also so there's a way to do it that would satisfy developers and maybe even make it easier for you to find things i mean that's the other part of this is they're working on making it easier to browse the app store my biggest problem with the app store is that when i search for something that i know the name of it doesn't come up please fix that yeah i mean as long as so that brings up two things well first of all if you're watching this on youtube right now look down into the right those are sponsored um the second of all that that is actually the frustration that i'm mainly finding is i don't mind the sponsored videos the sponsored whatever as long as they that advanced search options those advanced search options are there and what what gone are the days of like being able to use bullion operators in search engines like we used to which is so frustrating that's the thing that i'm like not stand i can't stand about like the machine learning world that we're going into is the the idea that you know better than what i'm like no i'm looking for the app with this exact name but yes yeah dooms multiplayer open beta became playable friday uh that's today as we're recording this contents include two maps two play modes team deathmatch and warpath are the two play modes beta runs on ps4 xbox one and steam until april 17th so if you're listening to this april april 17th forget i said oh that is so exciting although i have to ask if you're playing this on a playstation 4 how are you with that controller going to type in idd qd i wonder if there is a replacement for that if there is there a button combo somebody somebody in the comments that has been playing this please tell me that that does something when you type it in on a pc yeah downloaded on steam yet but i'll be signing up this sounds fun i remember when you know q3 demos come out like way back in the day like a lot of times the demos are just as good as the game and they end up getting like cult followings yeah absolutely uh we're gonna guess some of you like podcasts because this is a podcast and maybe you're listening to it for not the first time pc magazine points to a leaked npr member newsletter claiming google will launch podcasts and google play music on monday april 18th google opened a tool for podcasters submit their shows for inclusion last autumn last october they announced that they would be doing podcast uh but they haven't commented on this particular piece of information so we know it's coming it sounds like according to npr it's gonna come on monday yeah i heard they even have a toggle switch where you can filter based on pants casts or non-pants casts uh i actually i'm really excited placement then or yeah maybe i feel like that uh this is not going to have probably the same impact that uh itunes adding podcasts to its library in 2005 did well yeah history but i think it's a step in the right direction it's good to see podcasts still getting some love uh media at google sometimes seems like sort of a mess it's like kind of like how messaging was before hangouts sort of unified it maybe sort of um but between google play and and vivo youtube youtube red on my phone it's like where's the stuff so what i'm most interested is if this is to be the case where do video podcasts uh play in this it is interesting because as i recall i was only able to submit audio when i signed up last autumn well if only google had a platform for distributing video content for uh for producers for download for offline play with youtube red you can get offline play of youtube videos maybe that's what they're thinking that's a placement for video podcasts oh if only there was an open alternative to this on the web like rss or adam or something yeah right well that's that's the thing that gets me as an independent right is all of these places like audible adding it and spotify adding it they don't just add podcasts they could add like oh every rss feed is in here they like they try to make it look like they've struck deals like the old fashion days you don't need to do that just add them up it's sad i would i honestly did not expect this 10 years ago when the when rss and adam and the free and open web was the the thing and we're we're starting to see you know big players get into this arena of making video podcasts and audio podcasts that weren't just you know indie producers and i never would have predicted the amount of walled gardens that we currently have uh and from companies that i love but you know it seems to be a running theme here in the headlines well and just to be clear google's is not a bald garden uh google's podcasts are open for anybody to submit you just you do it's run the way it's you're supposed to which is hey god knows his feed put it here we'll add it to the store oh nice that's the way okay all right well they get a lot more credit back from me lg's 15 inch gram windows 10 laptop now on sale in the united states weighs less than 2.2 pounds and is 0.6 inches thick the core i5 version starts at $1,100 and the core i7 at $1,500 has usbc only 8 gigabytes of ram around seven hours of battery life 1080p display you can get it with 256 gigabytes or 512 gigabytes of solid state drive storage uh and people comparing it to the macbook pro because it's it's a looker that's i mean those are fantastic specs for 2014 yeah i mean that's the thing right this is definitely a more affordable powerful thin and light alternative to the macbook pro if that's where your pleasure lies but it doesn't have quite the ram battery life in screen resolution i don't know man it's it's damn near a kilogram and you know for 200 grams less you can get a surface pro 4 with an i7 and a terabyte and you know 16 gigs of ram granted it's going to be like three times the price although that's a detachable right so yeah true different form factor and i don't know if that matters because it's still a pretty powerful machine i'm just saying grams per gigahertz yeah that's that's actually what i was looking at when i got this so hey thanks to uh loki robert john ellsworth three kiwi red iar h and all those who submitted things that we used from our subreddit and things we didn't use it's always fun to be in there people are always submitting stuff throwing things around there was a story that got submitted got voted up and then people realized it was a hoax there's another story that was submitted turned out it was a little old but that that's the beauty of it is everybody's in there kind of helping each other out so submit some stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and that is a look at the headlines all right so let's get into this discussion story uh last or not last week earlier this week during f8 we mentioned the facebook surround 360 reference design facebook plans to put up the design and software for it on github this summer if you want to build it it's going to cost you around 30 thousand bucks worth of materials because it has a 17 camera array that's 14 wide-angle cameras three fish eye lenses there's one on top two on the bottom uh connect sport up to 8k they they've got some really cool software that handles the stitching it does left right eye disparity to reduce hand intervention in that stitching so it comes out nice and nice and clean uh you do have to have some computing power though to make it happen now 30 thousand dollars is a lot of money uh the gopro odyssey for instance only sells for 15 thousand dollars the nokia oz o on the other hand is twice as expensive at 60 thousand dollars and then you've got all these mario you're like wait a minute at ces wasn't the one that was cheaper well yeah there were tons that were cheaper uh there was the v360 at 449 dollars the rico theta s of 347 dollars uh the codac sp 360 at 450 dollars bunch of those in that price range but those usually have two lenses maybe maybe four lenses sometimes only one lens uh and then doing a lot of extra processing they're not as high a resolution obviously darin you've gotten your hands on both the pricey kind and the affordable kind what are your experiences so far well first of all you have to really know what the target audience is and for the for the facebook camera the surround 360 it is not the same people that's something like the theta s uh which is very much a consumer device is focused on so you know just getting that out of the way because the price really has nothing to do with it at this point like sure the facebook camera is like 35 thousand dollars but that's not the important part because you weren't going to buy it anyway um movie studios or indie filmmakers this isn't actually kind of a you know not a drop in the bucket but it's it's not that bad and actually moreover what's most important here isn't even the hardware uh it's the fact that they've put together the software and the workflow and the entire package and made it open source so they're using uh off the shelf components that's kind of one of the big things here they're using off the shelf cameras that have a global shutter so you don't get smearing when there's moving objects and there's something that you can go and buy today and the design i i'm i'm actually friends with the industrial engineer who designed this so i've been seeing kind of things as they go and it's really beautiful to see that hey this is something that you could download take to a machine shop get made buy these components and put together very much in the open source way and then use their software and that's kind of like the most important part the takeaway from the facebook side of things when it comes to these 360 cameras which is a totally different ball of wax than when it comes to the consumer stuff well yeah because facebook wants you to make video so that that's their rationale for saying we don't want to be hardware makers in this particular instance we we just want you to make stuff so we're putting it out there and theoretically uh thirty thousand dollars now is the estimate but put it in front of an open source crowd for long enough they'll figure out some cheaper ways to do it and like you say this is definitely heavily industrially designed high quality components you've been playing around with the cheaper stuff what have you found there um well just real quick about the the concept here for facebook is their business model is to make money off of content not to create content so uh given that they've put so much investment into bringing vr with oculus uh the idea for them obviously is to enable content creators to more easily create really good rich content and i don't think they really care if you buy their camera or not they just want to see uh look at selling a camera better they are selling a headset though yeah if you buy that well that's hardware though because ultimately what we've been talking about that one of the themes of this show has just been like once you have that platform in that kingdom and that's something that facebook definitely has that kingdom um as far as the the little guys are concerned i've played with a few of them the kodak sp360 and sp360 uh 4k edition as well as various iterations of the theta uh currently the theta s as well as the gyroptic which is really interesting coming out of a company in france that does some different kind of stuff and i've recently just fallen in love with the theta s for pretty much the the reasoning behind it is because the image quality of the steels are are pretty good not great but they're pretty good they're good enough to share and and and they look good um and it's mainly the workflow and just kind of the uh the pocket ability so something like the theta is really something that'll just like sit in your pocket and feel no bigger than an old school candy bar phone whereas the gyroptic is kind of this beast that you're going to need to tote in a bag and for that we think it has two lenses right one on each side right it's using processing to make the the 360 degrees by overlapping the fisheye lenses whereas the gyroptic has four lenses so it doesn't have to do much as much work on the stitching side but it makes it bulkier right so the gyroptic uses three lenses and the yeah and the image quality isn't as good as i as i have found but then again i've also been playing with beta units the um the they're all really cool and it's all going to evolve very much in the first generation of this kind of stuff but for me looking and playing at with these like for instance i would say that the kodak 4k sp360 fantastic except the workflow is terrible and it's a huge honkin camera so it's kind of like the same idea as when you think about like okay well who are you are you that guy that wants the you know the massive dslr and huge lens and you want to bring everything into light room and tweak it and if that's you then there's a fantastic road path to take down for those and then the other side is do you want a point and shoot and for me like it's weird being a photographer and yet wanting to do the point and shoot because i find that the best camera i have is the one that's on me and it the one that's on me is going to be the one that you know slips into my pocket or bag and so for that reason i've been really enjoying the theta s that and for the fact that at least if you're in the google ecosystem it is the only consumer camera that has been anointed by google to be used with street view so i can take photos uh and i've done this there was a there's a really cool graffiti up banded building in fairy point and point richmond which i added to google maps so if you go there on google maps you'll see a little blue pin when you drag the little pegman and you can plop that on there and see in 360 and that's a photo i took and so now i can contribute to you know a massive platform like google maps there's a bunch of other ones coming up that i'm really excited about yeah and and so i like your way of breaking it down sort of similar to what we do with cameras right there's point and shoot there's prosumer and then there's obviously professional right now go pro odyssey even the facebook's around 360 those are professional those are like you've got some money to spend and you want to do the highest quality stuff uh and and it may be a small business but you know it's it's going to take some outlay what do you think as far as like in the equivalent to the dslr prosumer guy and the pocket point and shoot uh what what do you think who are those four who are those people in your mind well you know it's still such an infancy of this industry but i found that the immersive experience that you can have with uh a vr especially with a device as personal as your phone uh it's such a rich way to share something i've had experiences with uh you know oculus on gear vr or with google cardboard watching a video where i have been transported to a place and i am having an experience and just a video not a not a game but a video and but i feel like i'm there like the there's a fantastic demo one where you're in a man's um uh home recording studio in uh british columbia and there's a dog sitting there and he's playing the piano and smoking and and singing and and it's like you're transported and you can't say that you didn't just have that experience so as far as a way to share experiences it's far and away like different than photography it's it's similar to photography in that there are cameras involved but it's different enough in that you the traditional rules of like okay composition are totally out the window because there's you're not deciding where you're going to point it it's pointing everywhere at once uh so i feel like there's going to be um if if somebody can crack this and find a way to get this into the hands of enough consumers to view the media then the hardware sales will follow through and of course you'll have the same thing that you have right now with cameras where some people are going to want to spend the extra and get the bigger bulkier one and spend the more time stitching the photos and videos on a pc and other people are just going to want something that they can use you know pull out of their pocket and use an app on their phone um but right now kind of the problem that we have is that i can't just i'm not scrolling through uh Pinterest or Instagram and seeing a 360 video and then just popping out a headset and seeing that um this is actually kind of uh i was going to save this for the pic but i will say that the hominoid if you if you just check amazon for h-o-m-o-n-o-i-d uh or i'm sorry h-o-m-o-i-d-o uh homidote anyway it's just a uh it's like basically a google cardboard that can like collapse and then i just basically carry this around in a tiny little pouch so that you can just clip it onto your phone and experience those things in um in v-r uh those are some of the challenges that this has and we were very much in a very early adopter phase a very first gen phase for this kind of stuff which is exciting to get in on on the content creation side of it none of these inexpensive and i say inexpensive i mean like you know sub $600 cameras do any decent video i'm hoping that's going to change here with the gear vr 360 and the nicon cameras uh but for stills like that's kind of where we are yeah and it is it is really good you shouldn't be buying these unless you just want to experiment and play around with them uh but you can get them for less than a thousand dollars now and it sounds like you like the rico theta s it's not like we've done a comprehensive roundup or anything if you want to look at i played with enough about these go to our show notes dailytechnewshow.com and we've got uh lists and links to a bunch of the ones that we've mentioned here there's actually a really good roundup on pocket lint uh just recently done in the last couple weeks of various different open source or various different 360 degree cameras that you can look at uh it strikes me that like cooking demonstrations would benefit from this because they're really hard to shoot yeah you have to figure out like okay now i have to show the pan now i have to show the cutting now i have to show me now i have to show the pan if you just have it sitting there and the person watching can just move around and see what you're doing as you do it that's kind of cool um yeah i will say we were experimenting with it we're gonna have uh an episode of hack five here real soon where you can watch it the traditional way or you can watch the segment uh either from my perspective or Shannon's perspective that's great twice and then just put uh a 360 camera on a tripod uh in place of where we would be so you can actually host the show as it were uh and that'll just be like a fun experiment because that's kind of where we are in the industry and i want to throw it out there that that pocket lint article is fantastic there's some great roundups if you are interested in getting into this i just uh my one recommendation when you're kind of comparing these different cameras is it's really easy to get into like all the nitty-gritty specs just like anything else but really uh take a look at the workflow uh check out some like youtube videos of what other people like how to actually process the images off of these things because what i have found my personal experience has been you know well i've played with some really great cameras that are big and expensive and and and uh take fantastic imagery uh if i have to pull 16 sd cards out of gopros and pop them into complicated uh buggy software to get something out that can only be seen by a small fraction of the world um you just keep that in mind like if you can find you know depending on what you're wanting to do you may find that uh you'll use it more if it's something as simple that you can use with a phone all right let's get to our pick of the day it comes from mike and newly google-fibered lenexa kansas uh who said with the announcement of microsoft windows 10 getting a bash terminal upgrade i told you we talk about this i wanted to recommend my favorite terminal tool for windows in the meantime moba x term i know the old standbys putty but i wanted to mention moba since it's backed full of features rdp vnc of course ssh and sftp just to name a few there's a home and pro version home doesn't seem to be very limited compared to the pro also worth mentioning there's a portable version which makes it even a stronger contender as a putty substitute you can just throw it on a usb drive moba x term at moba tech that's tek moba tech dot net none of you ever played around with this i haven't sounds like mike likes it though now you know anything that's going to let you do things like x11 forwarding um is going to be fantastic because then you can have like a i'm imagining once we get bash on windows there's going to be some fantastic hacks to get gtk type applications running in the foreground uh instead of just like terminal based stuff so i'm really excited for that and yeah that's that's a good alternative to putty it looks like send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com you can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks a few messages of the day we had a conversation yesterday about the idea of allowing some theaters to be set aside for those who want to use mobile devices while they're watching the movie and then obituary kandil say uh pointed out in our analysts slack a twitter post from amc this morning no texting at amc won't happen you spoke we listened quickly that idea has been sent to the cutting room floor a lot of people looking at this and saying i don't want people texting in the movie next to me which isn't as we made clear yesterday what the ceo was suggesting but they don't like it and amc has backed off so we're not going to get it uh got some really interesting feedback from folks though and here's a representative sample big thanks to everybody who wrote in on this issue though uh gary the senior geek said hey when i was a tween in the early 60s my mom used to drop me and my brother and sister off at the movies for saturday kitty matt nays 50 cents bought an afternoon of cartoons and short subjects like buck rogers and flash gordon uh there were a few ushers to maintain order but that was it house lights stayed on at a low level no problem moving around going out to the lobby hanging out with friends lots of fun so specialized theater experiences you have been around for quite a while uh then we got a o i saying the movie theaters that show food bother him more apparently most of the theaters in his area are now the pub experience and he says they don't turn the lights down nearly as low the wait staff are wandering around the other the entire time even in the middle of the film when the activity is lessened nothing short of someone talking on their phone is as distracting and as frustrating as people wandering around in front of me with racks of drinks i'm kind of baffled how the older generation finds this less distracting uh two more here amber says i volunteer in an art house theater in portland oregon and at least once a month we have heckle vision they show a movie and just before there's information on how to text commentary which shows up on the screen below the movie so you're this they're doing it they're like yeah this showing bring your phone in text things will do an impromptu mystery science theater while you watch and then finally brandon says i'm one of those phone addicted millennials the am ceo am c ceo mentioned i have to agree that allowing phone use in movie theaters sounds like other hell i've noticed that the most frequent phone users in movie theaters are actually outside the 18 to 24 year old age bracket i've even witnessed a parent in a kid's movie stream a baseball game with the brightness turned down throughout the entire movie yet somehow my friends that i are able to resist the urge to pop out a tweet for the one and a half to two hours of the movie hmm well simple solution we just changed the whole concept of the movie theater to a dark room that we all gather at and put a vr headset on together and yeah then you can see it individually yeah you can bring up an interface and it's fine you know it's funny a lot of people very upset about this idea about even the hint of this idea and i can't say i don't want people to be using phones in the theater i'm in but i guess if they want to have another showing that i'm not going to go to that doesn't bother me but i also don't run into a lot of people who are rude in theaters i mean it happens but i find it doesn't happen that often do i darin i don't know how many movies you go to it does i mean i haven't been bothered enough to care one way or another i look at this story and i really think that this is actually just a shining example of uh you know of social media working and like where businesses and consumers meet and so that's that's the most exciting takeaway from me from this oh i think it was entirely broken down because what the amc ceo wanted to say was hey we might take you know certain theaters and say want to use your device while you're watching a movie go to that showing which would reduce the number of those people bothering you in your showing and everyone freaked out and said no i don't i don't want to understand what you're saying let's not do it so well maybe it's one of those things well they'll just have to try that one again in another generation yeah uh well that is it for this episode of the daily tech news show of course uh lots of stuff going on over at hack five h a k five dot or g what are you shan and shannon cooking up besides this awesome like be the host of hack five through virtual reality which sounds awesome oh thank you yeah that's going to be a fun one and um yeah well i mean being the kitchen i'm always cooking up something you can go over to h a k five dot or g and learn how to build your very own drone we just shot our primer episode on learning to fly that'll air next week we're very excited to bring that one to you uh the current one is our wrap up of our build where we uh basically took some inexpensive components off the shelf and put together our scratch build of a 210 millimeter uh quadcopter it's very generic just gives you an idea of all the components so if you're new to the whole concept uh this is a very kind of baseline built to get you introduced to the concepts and the theories behind all of these things and oh cool takeaway it's under 250 grams so you won't need f a a registration for it either uh you can find that and as well as all of our other shows like threat wire or tech thing and new season of metasploit minute with mubix uh and uh hack tip with shannon morse over at h a k five dot or g lenn peralta you've been busily illustrating our 360 degree camera discussion what did you come yeah i took some artistic license with this idea i know that facebook is not selling the 360 degree video cameras so so let's get that out of the way but i just thought about the things that um you know the end game for facebook and what they've been doing over the past couple years first it was facebook pushes content to you based on your searches and likes for example in this first drawing uh guys eating something called fudge nuggets and uh he's getting information about fudge nuggets right so that's kind of strange sense secondly um next facebook introduces an open source pro professional 360 degree video camera it's not a consumer grade one but you know that's a little bit that's kind of getting a little more invasive so of course what's next of the end goal is the facebook intubation cam where you can kind of see the inside of somebody and you can see their spleen 360 degrees 360 degrees of the inside of somebody through an intubation cam so um once again not exactly the true meaning of the story there is all kinds of different discussion going on about different i'm saying it's not far off it's nice it could happen i guess it's it's uh it could happen i have i have a good feeling this may be hanging up at facebook here real soon through that one out there something on the whiteboard that they're going to sort of throw up and see if it flies i'm gifting this to the person that made the thing in the middle frame right yeah absolutely i like the way you have the 360 degree video camera hovering at menisignal exactly what it reminds me of in fact is the drone from episode four the uh leia bot yeah yeah a little bit like a probe droid from empire strikes back too so yeah uh well i i for one look forward to spleen book where we all share our spleen photos with each other well if you follow me on facebook you know i already do that so it's uh so go check it out lend for all to store dot com it's available for you to look at and buy and i'm not saying he's going to give you 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out to that one this is in a pants cast yolo 360 cam no scopes swag i love that one um skype on the edge daily tech news scar chasm with darin kitchen uh you now ignore your facebook friends in 360 that one's good 360 degrees of my spleen that's good too three into six degrees of me we had a lot of them skype of skype plafi it facebook's vr rig very expensive spleen book i like spleen book i like the one that's askier of checkboxes for pants cast no no pants cast that is a good one i can't believe it's not a mac book air so lean the pack is 360 degrees of meh i like the uh now you can ignore your friends in 360 that's a good one too that's a really good one that's yeah excellent yeah it's it's kind of summarizes facebook oh it even says now you can ignore your facebook friends yeah i was going to say you know it summarizes facebook but i uh i i in the chat room i said you can cannot take zore from me oh that's good yes collaborative effort within vek nice quick time slow death oh man um yeah now ignore your facebook friends at 360 is landslide victory and now i have the theme from firefly stuck in my head not the worst name to have and take the sky from me oh one thing during the uh show it i don't know if anyone else noticed it uh but occasionally use when you spoke tom it sounded kind of echoey but it was it was intermittent yeah i feel like it might have been darin did you have headphones on no i don't and i'm using a different computer this week so okay so i think it might have been the other one it might well do you have speakers on right i have speakers on yeah so i've had speakers on for the last like six months and it's not consistent like it's not happening right now i think what happens is at a certain point the the noise canceling stops listening and so when i start talking i'll get echo for a little bit and then it'll go away once it realizes what's going on because it didn't happen a lot i didn't try this i didn't i didn't do this before the show but yeah no you're okay cool yeah you're definitely on the right mic all right and it was it was usually like if you'd been talking for a while as i started talking there'd be echo and then it would go away so whatever was damping down your echo just had had stopped being active and then when it heard me talk was like oh crap i was stopped that echo again all right well go figure yeah go figure skating oh man i just noticed the figure skating rink which you know i hadn't gone to so you know i'm just as guilty uh closed down there was one over there i've been there forever are you playing city hey you want to use zamboni now think about that yeah right right yeah but we're gonna close this another one opens who doesn't need a zamboni it's people without an ice rink yeah the people close the ice rink for people commute to work in canada no they use dog sleds come on right i forgot about that if you go to the capitol there's actually a thermostat for the country you just kind of turn them in oh really keeps it keeps it a brisk temperature except for the summer hey justin trudeau uh could you turn the thermostat back up a little bit oh um it's actually the governor general i see have you uh you're on a mac right i am at the moment okay but you're but you're using illustrator right oh me yeah no i'm using photoshop oh your photoshop oh okay cool well it's the same thing either way um i no no no no it's not well no no no i'm sorry what i was just about to say i feel whatever to say is whether it's a mac or a windows or an illustrator or a photoshop the adobe suite um will now detect if it's a pen compatible device i've been playing with the illustrator on the surface pro four and i was just in a coffee shop and i needed to do a little bit of editing on this challenge going on working on and i was like i'll just you know fire up illustrator and i was like oh hey we noticed that you have a pen and i'm like oh i haven't even used this pen thing let me try this dude is it cool really cool that's cool i need to upgrade i'm just saying if you walk by you know a microsoft store i'm not you know promoting the the surface pro four i'm just saying like as you know somebody that lives in the creative suite sure there was it was a totally surreal experience because it changes the entire interface completely to make it more touch appropriate interesting yeah it was cool does that does that work with the i think that works with way comes in teaks do you think that i don't know it's it's their pen and i'm sorry the desktop it doesn't change like the apps okay it's just no it does that's oh i'm sorry that's what i'm saying is i don't know what is the surface pro four is it a tablet or a computer but anyway it goes into this mode okay uh i'll have to try it again because yeah i typically just use it i i used to do some like artwork but uh now i just use it to sign documents pvfs i pull out my whack on top of that oh man you got to just keep signature dot png on your dropbox no i want to change i change my signature style each year so i know when i signed it what cool that's like using a fake middle name on spam sites so that you know who sold your info see my my middle name is actually two names so it depends on how i what i put well i'm saying you could come out with whatever one you wanted you could sign a first service and have a tiberius as your middle name i want buck roger buck cheng nice i don't know why buck because every one every time you say buck people think that the following word is naked yeah oh no i was going with the buck roger's reference oh yeah it's always i but i was just thinking like you know when people say buck typically what follows is naked no one ever says buck cheap a buck heavy or buck this work buck this job um so i'm just taking care of i can't wait to all right i better start making dinner spaghetti it is tonight we haven't had it in a real long time so yes do you ever just do a casserole dish man that would require me to spend a lot of time doing it i don't want to spend a whole lot of time doing that i made a uh a while ago i made meatloaf and then it went over like a lead balloon like a lot of just a lump of meat or did you put anything like i put all kind was good i spent some time you know fair you used a lead balloon and then i did it was the kids did not to find that very appetite like what is this day like it's a lead balloon actually you know it's funny though because um because because we're shedding kids and they're like going away uh to college and stuff like that or to work and stuff like that there's usually like only a couple people here so it's not really up for me to make like a huge meal anymore but there's people here now so just make like a couple of subs yeah i might be left overnight but i you know what i think they did that last night or something but do you guys keep like a little list of what you've eaten like this is what we ate last week or this yesterday monday tuesday wednesday nah we pretty much eat the same things all the time because the kids aren't really adventurous you know and then they're do you have lumpy in the freezer no no that's one thing we don't have you know it's also really funny because kids are working they have their own money so they'll like buy their own food and stuff so it's like it's no fun anymore all the kids grown up you know you know it's funny i when i was out of the house like yeah i get to eat whatever i want and then after a while you just start eating the same stuff you just grew up eating because you're out of the familiarity right yeah that's interesting i don't do that you don't eat i didn't know i don't eat the stuff i grew up eating because i don't like any of it did you ever tell your parents you feeding me stuff i don't want to eat i i've told this story before is that i didn't think i liked pork chops growing up uh until i had them not made at home oh interesting i had that brussel sprout experience yeah i never like i'll never like brussel sprouts ever i love brussel sprouts not a fruity joint you know pork chops sound amazing was it just the way that your mom made them or something my mom bought real thin always about real thin chops and then she she cooked them you know she was worried about trichinosis so she cooked them thoroughly and i always felt they were kind of dry okay and then i had pork chops that were juicy and i was like whoa these are good yeah yeah oh man pork loin did you ever tell your mom that not growing up no like much later like uh no my brother listens to the show sometimes so tim don't tell her i'd be watching on our phone in which case yeah you know nor is a big fan of um mexican food so we'll have tacos we'll have burritos we'll have you know chili that's when i have fond memories of and and and and i think that the kids are just going to rebel against it you know because we've had it so much you know which is interesting because growing up we never had mexican food you know we never had we had taco saturdays at our house oh really yeah because my dad worked for pet milk which and he did research for old el paso which they owned so he would just basically we would experiment we were we were getting pigs for the salsa oh interesting salsa from work and then you'd have the old el paso taco shells and and make some ground beef yeah that's cool that's cool the other thing that nor is doing now is instead of making regular hamburgers it's just like sliders all the time so there's like you know those are always like hamburgers those actually make sense because they're actually faster to cook because they're not cooking and my mom would get pork burgers and those were always awesome you know why because it's ground with the fat in it and it cooks it's juicy probably yeah we haven't had spaghetti in a while so it'll be interesting you know we'll see we'll see one you know use like rotelli or macaroni or something besides oh yeah no we actually i don't have that stuff i just have to see because i haven't made it in a couple weeks so i gotta do it so all right guys all right i will be uh i will be in your town next week tom all right so you're not on the show next week no not on this one but i will see you in person yes yes and then i'm home for a week and then i'm gone again the next week i'm in dallas okay so the 29th you're here but yeah six you're out correct that and then i'll probably bug all of you again for your june july schedules okay cool cool see you guys later bye all right thanks all right almost done with the upload here see i hear i hear it's because i've been quiet now i hear my echo echo echo echo amazon echo oh you're supposed to say um i wasn't gonna say it what you know what i realized they really missed the amazon echo they missed the boat so i mean i'm not the first to have this thought but it occurred to me the other day that um if you could name it computer and maybe have the voice done by magell barrett we'd be uh all better people no i don't think she's around is she still alive yeah but you got lots of tracks of her yeah come on yeah but that's not the same thing or i have at least like an easter egg where you can say you know computer girl gray hot and then have magell barrett's voice say something back you are not authorized to take that action exactly you're that my least prime directive i don't know something that's like getting what's his name from boy meets world the teacher to redo the reprise the voice of kit even though he passed away um and just no no no one wants kit man they want the end no people want a self-driving car all right they wanted to say yeah but how many people are going to fit in kit two at the max right you know how many people can sit on a 1701d that's a big ship we can all get down with that we're gonna park it we're gonna park it when you get a parking you can park it in orbit did you hear the rumor about what the new star trek series is going to be about uh please don't be about the ncc 1701 and x not going to have an enterprise it's going to be take place after star trek 6 the movie before the next generation and be an anthology at least that's the rumor so that every season will be a different story and possibly even a different cast well that's interesting yeah i want to see how many of those stories have a plot line similar to an episode of uh the toilet so hmm i would like a tng like experience a self-serving with a good you know like i don't know waffles waffles good waffles like the enterprise what was it about tng that like it wasn't that it had like a good moral you know thing but like it explored the human condition in many awesome ways well yeah because rodenberry was still around saying you can't have humans conflict with each other you have to find the conflict elsewhere and that forced people to get creative hmm like like bring back the one with the flute help me out oh that's the uh the inner light yeah the inner light i mean like that's that's the star trek that i love that's not the episode i love star trek waffle house oh there is i'm sure a waffle house at the end of the universe yeah there's a waffle house probably on city alpha six the there might be i would think there's only one way to find out yeah you could take the intergalactic highway uh stop off at the city alpha six uh exit the cc d alpha sticks is waffle house what if what if they did a show within a show where they had things in my elephant ears i think they're sausage so instead of like having that the like you like the top chef you'll have like the top replicator chef yeah the best an entire season of of reality shows that are being shot in the world of the federation yeah and it's just like you whoever can program the replicator to make you know the most the most delicious dish you got like celebrity chefs come on like me elix shows up yes yeah all right i'm out of the post thanks everybody for a great friday