 Ranting. Reflecting. Reasoning. Reckoning. The Huddle. Newstalk said B. It is now 1926. Jock Anderson from the NZ Herald. Hello, Jock. Good day, Larry. And Cameron Slater from Whale Oil. Hello again, Cam. Good day, Larry. All right, Jock. David Kahnliffe calls it quits. He's not going to run. What do you see on this? You see the writing was on the wall some time ago. How do you view it? Yeah, it's, I guess, from the Labour Party's point of view, it's a bit too little, too late. It's something I think he should have done earlier and allowed the remnants of the Labour Party to try and get his act together and sort out a new leader. It will be interesting to see from now on where Mr. Kahnliffe goes. I have my own personal opinion on the view and it wouldn't surprise me at all if, in fact, he does offer his resignation from Parliament at some point, perhaps in the new year. That would not surprise me at all. I think he's taken a king head on this. His pride and his reputation's been severely damaged. I don't think he really appreciated in himself that he was really the wrong guy in the wrong time. And it will not surprise me at all, Larry, if he goes. Cameron, I think he was desperately trying to get the numbers and he felt he was a long way short and we had Mr. Parker and Mr. Littleton of the race as well. And I agree with Jock on this. I think he will walk probably after Christmas at some point. Well, if he had any humility at all and we've seen over the past few years that David Kahnliffe actually doesn't possess any of that, if he had any decency even, he would be announcing his resignation from Parliament immediately. His political career is over. It is finished. He cannot be resurrected in any way, shape or form. And the reality is that when you're as washed up as he is, then you're best to get out and go somewhere else. The interesting thing, Jock, is about being washed up and you can't be resurrected. A lot of people would have said that about John Howard in Australia and Kevin Rudd. They were washed up and they came back, Jock. You know, it is possible. They're Australians. Yeah, I know. Things differently over there. It's much more of an enjoyable game, I think, in Australia, the politics game. But I think at the end of the day, and not being particularly wanting to be particularly unkind to Mr. Cunliffe, he has got a, he's lost an enormous amount of personal mana over this and it will take a while, take a while for anyone to come back from this blow. He will always be remembered. But Jock, I think he should put the boot in because that personal mana that he had was puffery from his own little team. He didn't have the support of his caucus in the first place. He only had the support of the hardcore rump of loony leftists that are remaining in the party. They talk about this great democracy that exists within the Labour Party. We're talking about less than 5,000 people who were selected that do not represent the wider society. If you have a look around some of the left-wing blogs today at the comments, they're all saying it's fantastic that he's given the kiss of death to Andrew Little, that Little can now come in and rinse all these people on the right and the ABCs and move Labour further to the left and that'll help them win in 2017. These people have rocks in their heads. They haven't seen that 65% of the electorate voted for centre-right parties in the last election and their solution is to be further left. Frankly, the Labour Party is a dead duck. I don't think for a minute that his support of Andrew Little, if that's what he's given today, I don't think that's going to help Mr Little at all. Not at all. I agree with much of what you say. But I think, you know, from the man's point of view, rightly or wrongly, he believed that he could walk on water. He believed he was going to be the next Norman Kirk. Well, he thought he was the Messiah, but in reality, he was actually just a very naughty boy. So, to Larry, what you said, I think his chances of making a comeback in the future are non-existent. We'll come back in just a moment and talk some more on this. Thank you, Slater. News Talk ZB, it's 15-2-6. Bring home the point. It's Larry Williams Drive with A&Z, providing business banking expertise near you. On News Talk ZB. Back with Jock Anderson and Cam Slater. Cam, let's carry on with Mr Canliffe and who's in the race now. So, we've got Mr Little, Mr Parker, Mr Robertson, Mr Shearer, we don't know about at this point. But Mr Little is now saying he would like as a deputy, I think this is what he's saying, he would like as a female Maori or Pacific Islander. I would have thought you would have picked the best candidate for your deputy, no matter, you know, where they come from. The party doesn't believe in meritocracy. They believe in quotas, bans, restrictions. But using that criteria, I think you could almost pick that the person who's going to be his deputy will be Louisa Wall. She's a woman, she's Maori, and she's lesbian. So, she fits all of the quotas that are going to be required in order to placate the various factions that are in the labour caucus. How do you see this, Jock? Well, I thought it was a weird one, if that's in fact what he's saying, because again, I agree with Cam. It's not a democratic process and they are trying to, if you like, appease all sorts of strange factions within the labour. It's too early for a potential leader, someone who wants to be a leader, to start saying, no, who they would indicate. I mean, he's got Nanaia Mahuta at his side there as well. She would fit part of the bill. Tanked with Kunliffe, though. But, you know, I mean, who else has he got? But it's a talent pool that's as thin as a carpark puddle in the heat of summer. Which, I guess, to some extent brings the spotlight back on someone like David... What's his name? David Parker. Parker. Don't you think, though, I mean, Mr Parker appears to be a nice kind of guy, but is he Prime Minister Materi? He looks a bit bill-rolling-ish to me. Well, he makes bill-rolling look dynamic, really. I mean, that's a hard ask in the first instance. But, I mean, really, when you look at it, everyone who puts up Jacinda Ardern as a potential deputy has never spent more than 30 minutes with her. I mean, I had the displeasure of a three-hour lunch with her in the 2008 election campaign, and I was bored witless after about 30 minutes because she's nothing but a collection of bumper stickers, and her CV has been in the nicky case. All right, issue number two, Jock. Just briefly, the government has announced details of a review under the government's powers to deal with New Zealanders becoming foreign fighters overseas. So this is going to take some time, obviously, about a month, and they're going to consult with the other party. So I think this is the right way to go about it, don't you? Yeah, totally agreed. This had to happen. Things are getting worse, you know, with the ISIS terrorists and all the others around the world who would like to murder us and blow people up. And why has it taken a month? I don't know. Maybe they should be fast-tracking some of this. But, you know, this is inevitable. It has to be done. And, you know, just wait for the squeals. They've probably already started, you know, from the hand-rigging, you know, sort of human rights people, you know, who will see on. Oh, this is dreadful. We're going to be surveilled. This is going to happen. That's going to happen. Well, it's the real world, and we have to protect this nation, and we have to have proper security and intelligence. Cam? I totally agree with Jock. You know, we have scumbags among us. We have people that are assisting, aiding, abetting, and even plotting to commit crimes, crimes against New Zealand citizens. And you only have to talk to a couple of people who have actually been in Iraq or been in Syria. And there's one MP who, in fact, made a speech in Parliament about some documents that he discovered when he was in an operation in Iraq, which clearly points out the involvement of Kiwis in New Zealand in assisting terrorism. And, look, I've got no time for the terrorists and the scumbag people that support them. And, you know, there are some moderates out there. You know, just today I posted an article by Sheikh Mohammed from Dubai, where, you know, the UAE is participating in this fight against ISIS. He knows very well the danger of the ideas and the ideology of ISIS gaining a foothold. Thank you, Cam. Cam Slater and Jock Anderson. It is now 726.