 Yeah, no, I said we know we is very different I have a terrible story to tell your story. I haven't played any Elendring today That's uncharacteristic of you. Yeah, I see this is metal fourth thing Preparation and no one's doing it for me except me. So what? Yeah, it's weird, right? Like the last couple of times the infos were just there. It's like boom. There's all the notes for the movie So, oh, you're watching what are you who's afraid of Virginia Wolf, right? That's what you're watching. Yes And and I realize that is a dense movie There's a lot of going on and I have to take a lot of notes Anyone here seen that? No, I have no Wait, so you've seen it now, right? I'm still not done. I'm like one hours and ten minutes in there's like Sorry, who's afraid of Virginia Wolf? Yes, that's the one who's that? No, that's no the movie will just tell me who's afraid of her I don't I don't know I'm betting to give you the context beforehand. I don't know these days. I don't know 1966 these days you don't you don't fucking clue. Also, can I kind of get a high five for starting exactly on time? Yeah, normally yeah for someone who will not be named Yeah, Mel Hey Hey, you guys don't wait for me That's true. We don't that's true That is the truth So hello chat. How you doing? We're here today To have a discussion more than likely Likely we're not gonna discount the possibility. We never get to the topic we came here to discuss Not only that the possibility there is just literally no discussion. That just doesn't occur. Yeah, we could just not talk Sit around and talk about our history price playing Saruman Dreams and I mean grab a J video to play and I heard there's a cool one with a house Yeah Would be kind of fun meme to do that on this stream at this point to just play that video Take a shit. So that'll be a good timing. Do you guys like the simplicity of the title this time? Sometimes I struggle to get everything in there, but you know, I just read it and Bobding Why didn't you write Batman v Ben Shapiro feels like a missed opportunity We was There is a film called Batman v Superman, why didn't you just write the Batman v Ben Shapiro? Why did you flip it? I don't know how much that would work Still What is the greater utility from the order that you put it in the Ben Shapiro is a familiar face and it's like oh You've covered him before He's the one going after the Batman yeah It's not like the Batman has taken it's gone out to say With facts and logic Was a court case now Amica Adam. Oh, I like it's really sharp on the edges. Yeah, like the guy in James Bond. What so it's like Kung Lao surviving Racers in it. I think wait does odd job predate Kung Lao Yeah, I would would I imagine it was the 90s I think so because odd job is from 1959 1964 I never knew that And the novel and the novel is 1959 Didn't the guy who played odd job didn't he murder someone? No, I got this wrong. You was a method actor. Yeah, I may have Well, I may have gone wrong. Maybe he killed one too, but the mistake I made On the set of Suicide Squad Murdered someone. Yeah, Harold the role. Um, so I made a mistake before you may have heard the mistake from me I don't know but it's actually the actor who played random task in Austin Powers the first movie who's complete parody of odd job He's the one who like captured and ate and killed people or some shit Um, oh Joe son or is it son? Joe son? Because it's he's Korean Son of Joe Random task was 27 years for killing a Kern county cellmate. So he was in prison before that Uh-oh. Oh golly. Oh my goodness. I feel like you're skipping a step here Yeah, and then he was a torture conviction in the rape of a woman Cheese, what a bad guy a very nice person. He sounds like a poor guy. He's a villainous one that guy What we're gonna cancel him? Yeah, he already has been canceled Though I think we can say that legitimately this time he has canceled himself By torturing and raping and then killed So was it Ben Shapiro thinks bbs theatrical cut is good. Please don't take him seriously We don't Maybe this person doesn't know but this is not our first Ben Shapiro video Yeah, we covered Ben Shapiro's rankings of the star wars films and boy was that fun That was something else boy. What a what an e-fap that was you guys should watch it But um, yeah, I forget which number it is. We meet with him once again for his opinions on the Batman of which he's gotten in many troubles Uh, very controversial. They were like, how do you uh, Ben of house Shapiro? And I suppose we'll be finding out what it is that he got in trouble for today As well as Shapiro adding some extra comments that may have been missed about the Batman If any of you should have any if we you know that we missed an our what nine hour discussion Yeah, it was only a quick one wasn't it so you know, yeah, I'm sure something will come up. Maybe I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure Maybe the cracks I saw it again yesterday. I still like it Ew cringe go away No, you Disliking people liking things that are disliked I'm just off my game. I'm off my game. I haven't played elin ring like I'm I'm fucking I'm itching walls You're already rusty There's an episode 100 I think Friggie said something, but I couldn't hear I said you've got withdrawal symptoms Yeah, your elder ring is your crack and you're scratching yourself and you're sitting in the corner The walls Oh Now Come on metal, you're better than that Yeah, I did finish the game last night, but I still want more Give me more. Yeah, I had to stop my stream of it when I was like on the cusp of finding more Oh mel I played the the godskin duo boss. It's one of my favorite bosses of the game probably Really the gods to do it. I find a lot of fun Everyone in chat was like you're gonna get so salty. You're gonna hate this Oh, okay. Here comes the worst part of the game, but I played it. I was like, I was fun. I like that I was still doing my mage build. So it was kind of meh So I am I'm really looking forward to my melee build and see how The whole game is going to change on me I uh, I oh, yeah, I hate the dragons in that area. Yeah, that's just annoying I don't like the dragon fights. They kind of just lame and awkward, but uh, did you Oh, so like Skyrim? Did you kill the dragon on the little platform? Did you kill that one? um It's like off like a little off the map Well, once chat told me it was optional. I was like, no, I'm not wasting my fucking time They're worth like 20k runes or some shit. Oh, it was so not worth it. I lost 90k runes and I got 20 back and I 10 times Yeah It's just painful But uh, yeah with the godskin people the fat guy when he gets to second phase is a nightmare Right because he just crashes through the whole fucking map until he hits you But um, the other guy when he goes to second phase is fine And so I figured all I'll do is damage thin guy and keep respawning thin guy And that should be chill and I was just trying to control fat guy throughout the thing So it felt like a strategy that made sense and it worked and I was engaged and entertained Yeah, um, is that how dating works in eldenville where you don't get to you don't get to You don't get to bases you get to phases Like, oh dude, I get to second phase This hot chick last night. Like yeah, bro That's our rarest attack My final phase Good she she she did steal all my runes though They always half of it. Well, right? There is a girl you can hug in the game That'll take resources from you in exchange for it. So that is I didn't know this game was a fucking simulator Simulator Oh Now I am providing the link in which you can reach This miracle that is watched together And uh, from there we will discover what it is Beneth Shapira has to say Now we have seven in this call I see five in the uh, that's almost seven, right? It's not really seven. It's close Five in the that's too many. It would seem we're still missing one. Oh the watch together looks different the little name things look a little different Yeah, I didn't watch together here in the air for once in a while. Everyone's in a while. Just to remind you So here he is. Yeah No, let's This is Ben Shapiro of the Ben Shapiro show. Yes. He's on air Actually, he's on a he's on a chair probably He should say on chair So was was he named Ben Shapiro as a result of someone designing the show and that name came on that and then he came on He was like, I think I should have the name Ben. I really hope that's the case. I really He reminds me of frank west. He's actually the third host of the Ben Shapiro show It's just a massive cruise and it's the finally the host matches the name of the show I'd like to think that he was reaching for a name and he just saw a sharpie at the end of his desk and just like Shapiro yes Prominent eyebrows too. Those things that'll keep the rain out here No, these are voluminous and thick and full of just they're wow. Those are powerful. Nice nice incorporation of voluminous Ben Shapiro has inspired me Wrote eyebrows to do what I don't know. I guess we'll find out Oh, someone in chat said it. Hey, it's rags moller. I know the other guys. I guess the meme was this is This is capital o opinions. Then we have fringy And then j hello then moller And then there is metal Then there is myself and then we have the meme repository So, I don't know why I don't expect you to skip me. I don't know why It's funny. No, no, no, we couldn't do that the people would ask questions Um, where we hide the body Hey All right, folks. So last night I went and I saw the batman my review of that is coming up in just one moment This video is sponsored by ring What's ring Ring It's the But I don't know Yeah, I always see the water like the ring watermark on loads of home door like security cam footage of like You know like motion sensor at the door kind of things when you're seeing like a funny video of like Porch pirate tries to steal my package and then they crash their car on the way out Then it's often got like a ring watermark They encountered some rough water All the chats are saying elden rings like mal is gone a whole day. Can we please get him to day two without you guys? I mean, I was the one yelling yelling ring just now. It's okay that you did it because you saw in the chat I know it's okay. No, I look after you. Why am I always getting discredited like this? I'll hack your computer and break your elden ring files to prevent you This this freeze frame we have I think it would be funny if that was just the the title of the movie Wow, it's He he the batman Yeah, DC Yeah It's just what an anti-climax there of like the batman the Ben Shapiro show Actually, it's me the Ben Shapiro show. I'm your host Ben Shapiro I mean, that's not a lie. So he's doing well, all right Prepare to get excited I went and saw the batman went and saw it with my wife It is one million hours long and it's one of those movies where I saw and I was like The first thing the first thing of note is that how long it is is the most prominent thing the first thing to say about it That is a surprise. You just to know that that's the first thing I said about it No, it is it yeah, you and him are in cahoots. We are The first thing Mewfully said to me when I asked him about it. He was like well, first of all, it was long Yeah, and I was I got my eye on you both. I got one eye on you and one eye on on Mr. Shapiro, I mean I I wouldn't it was that it was millions of hours long whatever but still close like half a million. Yeah, half a million It's fine half a million half a million Okay, and then I have to wonder a little further Right now, I was like, uh, all right, and then I got to the end. I was like That's your review for today I just kind of want to fucking replay that but instead he's talking about his first sexual experience All right Right now I was like, uh, all right Realizes everything No, I can't help but think that is exactly about his first actual experience. We got a little further We got to the end I like to imagine this is like a print review like on a website Which is like I got a little further in and then I don't just have to download the video now so I can post that clear fact of context That's what's happening. That's going on my second channel now. I don't know like Did you expect him to go? Oh that was circumsuper Oh god Beautiful and then the more I thought about it the angrier I became We're coming through on the promise of Bench beer of as a batman now What about my cocaine vengeance? I took up my the mantle of the Hebrew hammer I am of the shadows He's just it's just not that intimidating. He does look awfully dark. He's wearing black. He's in a black and red Environment the lights are dim. Maybe that's on purpose. I don't know if this video is 4k Sweet whoa, you can see Ben Shapiro's face Ben Shapiro the batman in 4k nice even I only do 1440p Does it oh is he doing 60 frames per second? Oh Maybe we need to know Doesn't look like it. Can we see his eyebrows change motion in 60 frames? Um, we can slow it down. It is not in 60 fps. Unfortunately, right? Fuck. Ah, Fuck. Oh, you know, he may have 4k video, but his temporal his temporal resolution is embarrassing Um That's my review of Ben Shapiro his temporal resolution is embarrassing and he's gonna take that time like a fucking normie And so you're about to hear a lot of hot takes on the batman. Yay. Oh my god. Yay Because Whoa Oh my goodness We got Okay, first of all, I'm just gonna tell you right up front spoilers spoilers are plenty here. So you haven't seen the film yet? You already told us this spoilers aplenty His um his editor is pretty good. Like yeah minimal, but gets the point across I like it I wish everyone's editing was at least up to as good as Ben Shapiro's because I'm liking this so far Yeah, I wonder if Batman will be able to compare, you know, um, you know, he's just he's just talking to camera but um, it's like The the the edits here are because you know loads of people do these edits where they like make their face go like red When they say something like that, right? But this is the same kind of style But it's taken above and beyond in like a really professional way I want to hire whoever does his editing. Oh, wow. It it does seem it's not shall we say indulgent No Of the if you say well, then again, Ben Shapiro is paying up and so, you know, you don't want to go overboard And you want to see the film you don't want to be spoiled. I'm warning you. You've been warned All right, this is detective Batman So if the original Michael Keaton Batman was sort of crime fighting Batman and the Christopher Nolan Batman point What what I mean, I guess we're getting to the I guess we're getting to the point He hasn't made a judgment on it yet I just I was curious if that's normal to people that they refer to the Timberton Batman as a crime fighting Batman as compared to a detective, but I guess he's not as Sure, I suppose to the other non crime fighting Batman's I suppose Because I think the I think that Batman Yeah, I think they all like crime It's how much of a detective they are crime fighting Batman Because there's that there's that big sliding scale between I guess I don't know who's on who's the most detectivey Detective ever who never does it monk, right? There's a monk is on one side of the of the sliding scale and the other's end of the sliding scale is Faust what What if you lost me Or Well, I don't I didn't mean punisher, but punisher works excellently as well People are probably more familiar with punisher But yeah, like and then there's everywhere in the middle. Where does the you know the fighting and the you know By the way, I want to see a punisher monk crossover where they team up And every time he rips off someone's face monk is like, oh punish You know Okay, let me ask you this if we did have a monk punisher crossover Do you think that it would be In what if you had monk say the line? It's a jungle out there. Would you approve of that or? Absolutely Absolutely approve because I would I think I would approve of that. I think it's a really good nod For those of you who are who don't know the the intro song for monk It's sung by the toy story guy and he says Very yeah, we breathe it and So what the lines is it's a jungle out there which might be the name of the song, but I think that would be I wonder if I think I remember. I think tony shalub should play monk and the punisher. That's what I think great name Tony shalub Is that how you say it? I think that's how you say it Because like the word shalub sounds like a combination of the word lube with the effects of lube He was born six years before odd job in that novel Okay That's great. I'm glad for him I hope they call it the munisher if they do that crossover the monkisher a muncher or the punk Ooh, that would work panamon Anyway, um, yeah, don't the don't the batman video games lean heavily on the detective element Oh You'll like go through crime scenes and then pull up like a little holographic mode Try to base it together I remember them being pretty good actually Pretty fun. Yeah, I never played. Um, I never played them. Uh, all I remember is when arkham night Reliefed and it was a huge waterfall because it was just they just you have to the didn't work Yeah, they had to pull it from steam. That's how broken it was for the majority of people And the burner was still broken Mine worked for some reason. I don't know why This is detective Wait, is it do you say your watch killer's not working? Wow, his no, no, no, I said the the the dark night video game thingy worked for me when it came out No problem. That's beautiful batman So if the original michael keaton batman was sort of crime fighting batman and the christopher willan batman was city saving batman City saving City I guess he we talk more on he focuses on like large scale Calamity prevention. I mean, do you know what happens in the both of the Burton ones? Yeah, um, what I'm I'm trying to be like this is what he's saying Because I how could I forget what happens in the but that's why I said he's wrong because there's other This is gartham city at all of them. They're always climatically huge events to be honest with you Like except maybe the dark knight, which is one of the ones he's citing is city saving Yeah, because in the dark night, it's not like the whole city's fate Like, you know, like it's kind of is but it's not like the whole city's going to explode or anything And then batman and robin isn't if the whole world is going to enter into an ice age So that's the biggest like stakes of them all He said michael keaton batman. He's not including the True, but to to refer to the Nolan one as the city saving one is weird Yeah, because he should say and then um, what's the actor who plays him, uh Not christian bale the the the the the Tony shalini, yeah, george kaluni batman. He's a plant. He's more of a planet saver Right. He saves the planet from global climate. Yeah, which you think ben Shapiro would like That's actually applicable too because in batman forever I'm sure riddler's plans are going to go further than just gartham city and probably to the whole world So in a way save the world in both of them. I'm sure nice well It's a world saving batman is shoe marker So this is the thing it's sort of weird categorization like crime fighter detective city saver. It's like city saver. Okay This batman is supposed to be detective batman and this has a long history in the batman comics Some of the best batman comics particularly my favorite the long halloween is rooted in the idea Long halloween. What do we think because I don't have any context Do we have anybody in here who's read the long halloween? Fringy I I haven't that's one I need to read. It's on the list. It's on the list I read it. All right chat. Oh tell us about it I I just read it this week Honestly, it's uh, you know, it's kind of funny about it is that It's um, is you know how in the movies, especially the nullan movies He does like the disappearing thing everyone goes what it's kind of a meme at this point Uh, it that meme is especially strong in the comics one thing I found funny about it in the long halloween is that he'll be talking to someone and then in the next panel He's disappeared, but they never show any of the other characters. He's talking to turn around So it's like he actually vanishes like vaporizes and thin air. Oh, okay Because I feel like having them react to him just being gone is one of the it's an important element to his disappearance So I've only watched this as an animated visionless as well. I'm assuming that may well be at this point. Yeah The long halloween is a very recent one. There is an overarching There's a there's a killer who's killing a bunch of people leaving some clues and as they do who it is Yeah, so well look into this cover. You got joker Two-face Christmas. Oh, there's a bunch of people in it the Riddler's in it scarecrows in it two-face Oh moon gun man Moon gun man. Yeah. Yeah Jim is moon gun man You have mistakenly identified a man in the moon. Oh man, you haven't read moon gun man It's one of the most famous batman villains. I see a man. I see a gun. I see a moon moon gun man Why didn't she why isn't it man gun moon? Man gun moon because that because first off man gun moon is a character from star wars. He was a jedi warrior Yeah, so that name is already been taken about man moon gun man moon gun. That's a chinese director. Yes They do what a disrespect to korea. They want him to have that name alone What about moon face We could try moon face. I don't know if he maybe he has a moon face I guess we'll get close to him. We'll find out And like his face changes with the phases of the moon. Whoa Yeah, like his power level maybe could be influenced by the moon or whenever he's in a city. Maybe the tides rise Oh, we've done it. We've got a comic the long move. Very cool. Fucking Nice Thanks, ben. Thanks, ben Batman not just as cape crusader, but as a a great detective smarter than everybody else capable of picking up on clues Investigating and tracking down crimes Okay, I mean all right. Yeah, I he's definitely he never said if it was good or bad, which is interesting It's more like he's just describing that it's fine so far I just would like to ask him why he categorized the batmans the way he did And I want to know where uh, george colliney batman is Because I have no idea what to do with them, ben. Where's the clue? I don't With venture bureau, you don't know if he would think that they're the best batman movies or the worst You have no clue, but that would be the fun part It would I'm gonna start with what's right with the film because it's gonna be real short. So what's right with the film is It's gonna be real short. Oh, man. Oh boy Great. It is a film the war ish take On gotham city it almost feels kind of like retro taxi driver gotham city. So everything is very dirty It's all taking place at night It's shot in kind of gray scale at times You know when you said it all takes place at night, you probably shouldn't have showed all the shots of it taking place in day That was probably a mistake. Yeah Also, like shot in gray scale feels like it's more like it's it's just I think that would be It's not shot in gray scale. It's it's the anti justice league. I can see colors Oh, yeah, I see colors right now. Yeah, we're looking at colors. I don't see color Um, apparently he ranked the batman movies and put batman robin at the bottom that fucking what? So rude it's got a lot of It was that send him to the pit as punishment. Oh, I know that's okay from fallout It's kind of like retro taxi driver gotham city. So everything is very dirty. It's all taking place at night It's shot in kind of gray scale at times. It's got a lot of I love that. I love that. He just doesn't know what those words mean and he couldn't be bothered to check Is clearly what's going on there? He was unsure of saying that's like it's shot in the kind of gray scale At times I yeah, I guess maybe if you're not it may be for more of a movie normie Which i'm sure he would not be, you know happy with me calling him that but I I can see how people would call it that without knowing like what it is like people who call like People who don't know what frames per second is when they see two things that are different frames per second And they don't know what to call it in a way I mean the words he's looking for is muted colors Or desaturated isn't desaturated. Yeah, desaturated. Yeah Um, but not yeah, it's it's it's not it's not it's not gray scale. Like I don't know what Like it's just not Charitably there are some scenes that are rather uh, like monochromatic like especially like that hallway. See you know what I mean? There's some scenes that's definitely I agree. That's not monochromatic though. It's like chromatic colors and Well, so there are scenes that will Where like the contrast in colors gets so low that it becomes much like it's it's very But it's not it's not yeah, again. It's not like monochromatic or like or gray scale at all. It's just desaturated Yeah, I'm trying to think of scenes where I can be like was there a moment where it was basically black and gray only And it's like I don't think so There are a lot of like sharp contrasts at times where it's like black and red Like uh, when he lights the flare and leads people out, but again, that's not that's not gray scale. That's color. It's just Very being pedantic. So like I'm literally interested in what he probably meant and then what the film actually did I don't actually care that he said this that much. I'm just interested in the conversation. I apologize We even start off by saying that he he just probably didn't know what the word was for it um Or he didn't I who knows it's it's it's not exactly certain We're all interested in it as like video makers ourselves, right? I'm pretty sure that for none of this like I don't think any of us would consider this acceptable And like our actual review of a film is to just be like, I don't know the word for this I'll just say the closest words I can think of and then move on Like I think I know what he means, but that's what the discussion here is about I know what he means To be compared to taxi driver. Yes. Uh, yeah People like those comparisons, don't they? Yeah, the movie's taxi driver From oranges and reds, but against a very dark black. So it's a lot of muttered dialogue. It feels as though That Dialogue I feel like so he thinks that people are That totally felt like we we haven't we haven't quite finished his point that he was like Like as though it was a dialogue is a part of the grayscale. It's like we what? Yeah That was just a It's a bit of jumble of thoughts there In the way he pairs them together because he clearly I I don't even know what he's really saying about the color Whether he says it thinks it's good or bad. He's not he doesn't seem to be making a judgment So much as an observation part of this is part of the what I liked section So I would then he goes into the way the film looks here's what I'm saying But then he goes instantly to a lot of muttered dialogue In the good section. Yeah, but sometimes it almost Like what a weird thing to jump to after talking about whether or not it's grayscale A lot of warm oranges and reds but against a very dark black. So it's a lot of muttered dialogue. It feels as though So it's a lot of muttered dialogue. It's a weird way to There's a weird way to do that. Yeah Is mutter what he's what he's done is he's just turned on the camera and this entire review is an unscripted stream of consciousness That's completely like well. Yeah, maybe that was the editor's way of cutting it Like he went on to say something else Maybe he had a bad take or something because if you watch the clips end and then we're into him talking about dialogue I love this very dark black. So it's a lot of muttered dialogue. Oh my gosh. That's crazy. Okay, pause. It's probably right. Yeah So here's what's interesting, right? That screenshot that you just took of ben Shapiro While you screenshoted that I googled mutter just to make sure mutter is a studio album by ramstein And this is the cover. Oh my god Small world small world. They got that one. Oh my He's on then this was again, you know Ben Shapiro may have done some pictures for ramstein He's not as pale as ben Shapiro, but the album is it is kind of I'm just playing around. It's fine. It's fine. We're just having some fun. Oh my god He said a racial slayer in the editor cuts it. I'm sure that's what it was I don't know why Batman would be friends with It's anyway the dialogue A very dark black. So it's a lot of muttered dialogue. It feels as though In the same city as joker is taking place salvage that cut because like the sentence like bled into the next one I bet you that the I I believe now that that was cut in the editor was like, ah, fuck I just cut the word so that so it just sounds like a separate thing Uh, I don't know. It does talk real fast though So maybe you could fix it by at the end of the statement about the color You play a small clip from the trailer really small that shows the darkness and then you cut back to him saying the dialogue Because it feels a bit more natural maybe Yeah, I think it's ironic that the editor used the word so to stitch those sentences together I get it. Thank you. Do you guys get it? I get it I don't really get it In reds but against a very dark black. So it's a lot of muttered dialogue It feels as though it's taking place in the same city as joker is taking place. So if you saw joker tai phillips Looks like he's new york. I could see it a little bit. Maybe yeah Yeah, more than most other bad man movies. Yeah I and this is in the good section So I guess because this is in the good section. He likes it so You know, all right, I guess. Yeah, again. He's not really like He's not told us why it's good. He's just saying like these are the things that how it is Yeah, if we didn't have any context that this was in the good section. These seem to be just general observances Observations For it, but uh, yeah, uh, not very not a lot of strong statements being made but definitely some observations It feels almost like the the other half of that But it seems more like the take on what future new york would look like if you were living in new york in 1970 That's that's sort of a good way of putting it the music to the film is What really future what even see what he said new york would look like if you were living in 1970s And do we have examples of that and that's not true like what the 70s envisioned to be the future Um, um just movies and stuff Yeah, we would we would have some movies surely showing that I feel like we can just sort of I feel like a more apt description of what gotham looks like in the batman is A modern city that has managed to retain a lot of its gothic architecture and integrate it Yeah I think the way that I I I really like gotham in this film and the reason why is partly because it feels like a city that could exist But kind of doesn't Um, whereas in the dark night gotham is just new york It's like if you were to visit maybe an old new in chicago For the first time and you'd noticed all of the the particular are a colonial style architecture And it's not really that present Everywhere else to the same degree and you'd be like, oh, this is a city. That's just has it sort of a different Style to it like I'm walking down old town Washington dc or something like that like like victoria outside of dc And so the buildings have this kind of look to them and the streets just have this sort of style And everything's sort of positioned in the way that they are in in terms of you know the spacing and whatnot So you sort of know where you are, but it doesn't it doesn't freak you out. You believe it, but it's just clearly a different place Yeah Okay, the thing is um like ben hasn't really qualified what he means by like a 70s vision of the future He was just talking about how the colors are presented in the film So it's like the dialogue was marked. So it's like I I I sincerely doubt that that's what he means So yeah, you know in the 70s, they all thought in the future the colors were going to be a bit more muted I don't think that's That's what he's going for the structure of the sentences would lead one to believe that if they were reading it like kind of a robot But if you more so like that it's just unclear what he does mean because he hasn't qualified That statement with anything It's just like he said that it is a 70s vision of the future As if we're all supposed to immediately know what he means with the context of the film when I'm just like No, I'm not really sure what specific aspects of the depiction of Gotham. He's referring to with that The steel man in his favor would be that he's probably saying that it captures the vibe of like 70s new york But it's in the future But like yeah, like it's like it's still in growth like as dirty and gross as taxi drivers new york is But it's in the future now Behold We want Someone leaves me this on the discord moon face. How do I put that on screen? That is a question you must ask yourself Open link they Oh, no, that just downloads it. Oh, well, sorry guys. You don't get to see moon face. Anyway, you know, miss much Okay, I think the michael geokino tends to be a little bit derivative in how he does the scores Oh This one I've basically man. Nah, I don't agree We hear the whole comment first. He's um, I mean, I don't know He's he's he's gonna he's gonna have a trouble pushing this one against because that's just one of the Universally celebrated elements of the film, but let's see what he said the film is okay I think the michael geokino tends to be a little bit derivative in how he does the scores to the films This one He basically takes the music that han zimmer and james newton howard wrote for batman begins in the nolan trilogy Which the theme goes da da and here he just inverts it So instead of da da it's da da. Okay fine. So it's a little bit Man, if you're gonna talk about how it sounds similar, I would have gone imperial march, but okay I feel like benchco is not equipped to Let us let us remind people of this, uh, michael geokino. What's supposed to his name? Uh, Capuccino michael michael cappuccino, so for reference guys he he composed the incredible Yeah Yeah, he's done a lot Actually might be the Incredibles might be all five all time favorite soundtrack thinking about it just it might be But yeah, he did the Incredibles ratatouille up inside out coco Incredibles 2 jojo rabbit um Some stuff from lost Prepping thing the muppets wizard of oz uh, let's see da da da da Yeah, this he's he's he's an extremely talented individual and he has done. Oh, he's done video games too um He hasn't done him for a while though from what I understand. Yeah, the last one was Lego the Incredibles So I don't know how but we have that might just be a lot of it used his music rather than yeah Did anything for it? Yeah, uh, call of duty metal of honor a lot of call of duty and metal of honors here mercenaries Some yeah, of course you did all the spot a man mc spot a man films Oh, did he? Oh, yes. Wow Not saying I grew a Shapiro, but he knows music to be fair chris duckman knows film right Well, I just wanted to say that so that was clearly a lie like I I actually don't love the main Batman theme in this movie and um, I wouldn't use the word derivative because I don't think like originality is a Value I hold very highly but there is something kind of like simplistic And basic about it in a way that I don't really like I don't think it's michael Was it geochino? Is that his name? I don't think that's like this movie is his best work ever But the way ben describes it as if like, oh, he took the They took the theme from the nolan movies and inverted it Which is just not true in terms of like the music theory of what's happening there. It's that's not accurate and so We need to talk about a little bit more than just it's inverted Yeah, and it's but it's not like the way the way it's actually just played tonally Is much more to it than just the notes, right? Yeah, but it's not even it's not interesting even the same notes in inverted. It's not Interestingly uppity the musician doesn't understand music as much as the internet video editors. It's like, um, I mean, to be fair, I've played saxophone for like 15 plus years. So I was going to start there I've been a musician for like 18 years as well. I will say even with that said I Okay. Yeah, go for it. Thank you. So part one You have no idea what our background of music is literally none for any of us So why would you even like secondly video editing wouldn't know anything about music? It's like, why would you say that? What would make you say that? Well, what an absurd point to make Dude, why is it that you would appeal to an authority? You think musicians can't be wrong about music? They fight each other all the time What I was going to add in as a preface is I played saxophone for a long time I don't have a particularly great understanding of music theory. There's a difference between playing music and composing music and even then You know, like it varies. I don't know Y'all made the statement. He doesn't know music. None of us said that. I never said that. None of us said that He's not equipped to I don't think maybe I did I say that I'm going to defend you because you said that he's not equipped to make this criticism And that is actually true because what he actually said about the music isn't actually correct So and it's obvious that he doesn't actually have Maybe it's because it's like a stream of consciousness rant like we've already said, but he's not making a very specific or substantive criticism of the music so Fringy saying hey He doesn't seem equipped to make this criticism is not saying. Oh, he he must not have any experience with music at all So he doesn't seem equipped And I would agree with that. Yeah, which if you gave me this clip If that is if that is a comment that's uh, people don't like I'm happy to just walk it back to I think that just saying that it's inverted is not enough. We need to talk about Yeah, that's gonna be the Thing that surely everyone can agree on why wouldn't he as a music expert spend more time explaining to us Why the soundtrack is limited or lacking when that's one of the most praised elements of the film right now That seems like there's a lot of insight to give on that Yeah, I thought it was pretty good. I like the music quite a bit I thought it was a good part of the film that it's definitely worth praising um and Yeah, I feel like we need more than that Yeah, because um when I was watching the film like the main thing I was thinking whenever the Batman thing came on Is um, oh, this kind of sounds like Vader's theme. It kind of sounds like Imperial March If I were gonna make like a comparison that would be the one I would go for I wouldn't go for the dark night It doesn't sound anything like the dark night soundtrack And I've watched those films pretty recently like these are pretty distinct sounds from each other And yeah, so no one's saying he can't talk about music or that they're denying his history with music what he said though Ain't ain't ain't matching up with what we understand to be the reality of the movie which we do here all the time Even if it's music Let me know how long I need to play an instrument. And so my opinion is better than Ben's That's the other thing it's just like You know You really get a question james gund's opinion on polka dot bad when he's the writer and he's made movies And you guys haven't it's like Yes You could do this the same way it's like you're really gonna let Ben you really gonna question a professional film composer You think you know better than him? Okay, that's you could do the same thing. Yeah We did this with martin scorsese and You know the mcu not being cinema will it the a bad opinion can come from anyone Yeah, they're kind of beautiful in that way Sort of anyone can be cringe. It's the great equalizer Opinion can come from anyone even even Ben Shapiro Bullshit I really enjoy the idea though. Oh that sentence was going to end in women Da da and here he just inverts it instead of da da. It's da da. Okay. Wow Like I said, it's gonna use way more elaboration of this True. Yeah To know why you're gonna have to give me more than that But the score is totally fine. The acting is so yeah, because you're listing. It's totally fine if it's Listing good things. We've already made it into the Oh, yeah, all right That was a very sweeping statement about michael geochino's capabilities as a composer and the only argument we got is It was That was in the good section. That was a good section. That's what i'm saying. We've moved into neutral now already Totally fine. We're in the neutral section now. We've done good Come with for the bad section. I don't know. Look how long the video is because a lot of the bad section Oh boy. Oh my goodness. You're right Is okay as we'll find out in a second they give robert patinson nothing to do is batman nothing to do He likes Oh I'm going to faint So this might just be like what else can we conclude other than So there's a difference between a non-performance and a subdued performance. That's uh Deliberate in the approach to give you a sense of what the character's currently feeling and thinking doesn't know what a subdued performance is I um, I don't know what I'll say about that until we I don't think we'll get examples, right? Because he's not gonna have the clips. I'm gonna do it. Um Well, we got two notes for the soundtrack. So maybe we'll get uh, maybe you get the acting examples Uh, yeah, I gave him nothing to do. Yeah, let's see All right, I made a slight edits by the way I um, it's all it's the thing we talked about everyone. Have you uploaded yet? Is it like I have it's on my channel now It's on my second channel public venture period describes his first sexual experience The clip with a slight edit made to it Hmm, I'm gonna play it. How long is it? Oh, it's just a few seconds That seems like a very uh, all right, and then I got to the end. I was like, yeah Are you in the more I thought about the angrier? Yes The more I thought about it That's good, Jay. I like it I like it Anyway gold star Where are we? What's happening? Here we go find out you can't do you can't say gold start up in Shapiro What the fuck is wrong with you? All right. Fuck uh green tick. There you go Yeah, there we go Dodge that bullet and they give robber paterson nothing to do with batman nothing to do as batman I didn't think that zoe cravat had any sort of chemistry with robber paterson This is isn't this a section about what he likes we've already moved into Is this the neutral section? No, we're not even gonna do it now. Now or is this clear cut from the intro to the Bat a good section and I was like, no, I'm just gonna go on Nothing that he said in the good section was actually praise Not really. It was more of no observation and then the music was fine Fine, but worthy of criticism We fell off the cliff of the good section and hit our head on the neutral section on the way Down to the bad section. He did title card come on But but remember we got a little card for the good, right? Have we gotten one for the the neutral and bad yet? I'm assuming we're not gonna get one for the neutral He's gonna go to the bad, but he's included the bad in the good So it's like what's happening bad man the editor. I don't know he pays by the edit The editor was probably like dude, you know, this doesn't uh, it's fine. I'll it's fine. No, it'll do it's fine Would Ben Shapiro be stingy with no probably not. Let's carry on Nothing to do is Batman nothing to do is Batman. I didn't think that Zoe Kravitz had any sort of chemistry with Robert Patterson Oh, are we moving on? She's fine. She's kind of flirty me. I didn't see anything wrong with her performance I just didn't see a lot right with her performance. You have jump I liked her and her relationship with Batman. I thought they got along pretty neatly. I wouldn't mind seeing more of them I wish I had examples to the contrary that he maybe brings up Other than I get he just sort of says it doesn't work and I think that their two characters can Because they can go and I think if we had another movie with these two characters I could see them either becoming direct foils to each other Or starting to cooperate a lot more. I could kind of see it go in both ways Where you have, you know, Batman doing his thing and she's like the more Willing to break the rules the more even more morally gray than Batman if that's that phrase makes sense, but um Right, I think it could be interesting, but I guess we're not going to get much commentary on that When it's a huge part of the movie is these two and how they interact Um, I guess he's just talking about acting chemistry. Maybe he's going to talk about writing more later, including their relationship Are yeah, I guess I didn't even consider if he was talking about the acting or the the actors of the characters I have the sneaking suspicion. He's not really going to elaborate on anything at all I have a feeling these topics. I'm going to come back to you. We're going to be talking about something else for a lot of it I didn't see anything particularly wrong with her performance. I just didn't see a lot right with her performance You have John Turturro showing up as Carmine Falcone and he is John Turturro. So he's okay. He's somewhat menacing The best performance in the film false He is so good in that movie false. Yeah, I thought he was great Incorrect He was a great back on you A pox on you fun as well because like I've seen him in so many more comedy roles The seeing him here. I was a little like and then I was like, oh, actually, okay He's taking this very seriously. He's actually like comes across as mr. Boss man exactly Colin Farrell playing the penguin you literally cannot spot Colin Farrell in this makeup There is no way you can see Colin Farrell here the whole movie We went from the actor was okay. We went from the chemistry was Fine to could be to not very good to the actor was fine To you cannot tell who the actor is in the makeup this crazy He just really doesn't like looking at Colin Farrell. So he was very happy that he couldn't see him Uh-huh. I'm staring at him going. That's not how it is Colin Farrell It's the best performance in the movie. Paul Dano gives a good performance in the film Although he's sort of playing the Joker a little bit. All he's playing it more wide-eyed as as Paul Dano is um I guess Yeah, I could see someone saying it but I would like you to qualify it with I Would like to know why you say that Yeah Yeah, because the Joker could be a lot of different things depending on the performance. So I think that's a very broad Description of of someone's performance because you know, you could have a more subdued Joker and have that still work So I'm not I'm not entirely sure or like how how he would qualify it being a little too jokery I think what we needed was we needed riddler to have a tattoo on his forehead No, that said what gets wetter as it dries Just so that we really understood the character That would be really funny um how I I would imagine that uh That it's possible for people that because the other people say no, it's like I I can understand why someone would say it. I disagree with it. Yeah I I would like to hear it's kind of like the like it's it kind of like everything he says I would like to know why you think that not just that you think it Yeah, correct. Um, I agree. Also, there's something I didn't say when we first went over the film But um, it's kind of crazy that they showed in the trailer him getting captured when that doesn't happen for a decent chunk of movie Yeah It's weird because when I was watching the movie I totally forgot that he just gets captured in the cafe and then the scene started and I'm like, oh, yeah Yeah, I am I thought about it for a couple scenes because I was like I was trying to figure out how this would all come together with him getting captured I was trying to figure out why he wanted to be captured before he it happened Um, and I was just really surprised like fuck. We're finally here. Yeah. Damn. They put that in the trailer And I think that's the opening of one of the trailers, right him being captured. Yeah Interesting choice Yeah, especially to like like substantial things in the trailer that come You know well until like the third act of the movie kind of an interesting choice In terms of giving away what happens. Yeah The film is the riddler and herein lies the main problem. Wait, do you see the main character in the film as a riddler? If we needed to have the riddler we we never got a scene where the riddler says i'm a conundrum No Oh, no, he's just totally wrong like the pov character is batman for like the vast majority of the film might even be like 100% of the scenes if you think Like if we actually thought about it He's a hard pov character Not batman It is it is hyper pov. Yeah once again Maybe it could be explained if he was to elaborate and say by made I mean person who Evils reacting to is is the one that's making things happen or something but then again batman was still count in the The whole theme of the film is that it's about his effect on gartham and how what he has inspired And then clues the riddler Range uh thing to say, but okay Yes, it's just isn't just the intro scene Is that actually the only scene where we don't see Because like i'm pretty sure that like 100% of the scenes are batman's pov At least 90 90 percent. Yeah There are some with uh, yeah with selena like when the city was flooding there were parts with selena that don't have bruised Yeah, when she goes to uh at the end when she goes to confront, uh, you're right. Yeah when she's getting a gun ready, right? That's right. Yeah More wide-eyed is he's like majority of the film. Yeah, you're definitely right on that And there's one where when uh, the uh, alfred's opening up the package Maybe one could argue that that is bruce imagining what that event would be but um, I wouldn't want to go that far We don't need to Yeah That is basically bruce's pov of the situation right there Well, it's not that's something that bruce understands to have happened. I guess that's what i'm saying You could have it. Yeah. Yeah contextualizes what he is thinking about But I mean, I don't think that's what we're supposed to think at that point like it really happened Yeah Arkham asylum scene at the end that's definitely no bruce was in there in the little corner doing a peek Stop talking You guys stop talking Character of the film is the riddler and herein lies the main problem Okay, the biggest problem. We shouldn't say the bad now Where is the bad? We're still in the good section We're still in the good section The film hates batman What okay, so you're gonna have to justify this Wait, what was that interesting film hates batman film hates. Okay. Oh, I really don't agree Anti batman bigotry Oh, wow. I don't know what he means Maybe it's coming up now on the ground apparently God intended them to be you never know when this is gonna happen But apparently we've got people who are surprised. We're pausing so much Oh, hi, welcome. Have we got some hero fans dropping in like people who've not seen the show before Who are here to see what what the big hubbub is with me and us and and and Ben It's like it's just so this show we just watch videos very casually We've got no issues with anybody necessarily in terms of their background As as people we're just pausing the fuck out of everyone we watch. Don't worry Not because we just hate Shapiro and want to rip into it. We're just doing it the way we always do it Yeah, we believe in everybody our show is called every frame a pause. This is what we do See it on the screen Right there I made sure that that would be on screen because you can see it every frame of pause All right, we'll be pausing a whole bunch when you say please let ben talk We will eventually let him talk Ben talk He has his entire channel where he talks and he doesn't shut the fuck up So he's gonna be he's fine over there He he can talk as much as he likes and uh to anyone set like a dr. Uzi here Um, he said pausing too much loses context though, you know, maybe that's totally right And if we ever do that then i'm sure you'll be the first to let us know Yeah, just let us know what we miss in that. Yeah, just uh, yeah, give us a holler I genuinely feel like our hyper pausing has actually helped us discover the editing Errors there earlier in the video where I think if you're watching it straight, you may have missed it Because we heard it so many times I think my mr. Sitch has the best opinion on the pausing. Oh, yes. What is that? That's gay Well, I think pausing is a little gay. Yeah, nice to throw a little gay in there sprinkle it in. Yeah But all right. Um, all right. Here we go. This film hates batman If you heard that in isolation, um, I'm sure I'd imagine all of us would disagree with it Um, but hey, well, we like we did it in isolation Well, that's the thing. I uh, it's time to hear the reasoning. I suppose here we go I'm gonna have my mind changed. Mm-hmm Well batman character hates the batman character and this drives me up an absolute wall The biggest problem with the film is not the wokeness. Yes, there's a wall an absolute wall Absolute wall Not one of those shitty sort of walls He's he's doing the like, okay. It's not even the woke stuff. I'm talking about batman He wants to make sure everyone understands this ain't about woke stuff. Okay. I'd be very specific Okay, then one line or the race of some of the characters. No, this is about the film You know, we're talking about the film today. Yeah, what he's gonna make sure that I think he's on a lot of level of crying trying to be like, I need you to hear me out because it's not about those things It's about batman You think he's really trying to appeal to like other Demographics besides the one no, I'm saying like He he's very passionate about this. I think to the point where he's like my own fans You must listen. This is not about the woke shit. This is about batman He's separating himself from his politics when he says this Which I don't know if he thinks that gives him more credibility if it does that would be interesting But uh, just I guess it's for clarification's sake He's saying this is not a politically motivated opinion As a political commentator. This is not a politically motivated opinion. This is a film opinion This is a nude opinion. Really? Like and that's fine. That's true No, it's not. I've never seen someone wear that hat who isn't a nerd Uh Jacob kane He's kind of nerdish. He's a little nerdish Is he he just sits in his office and drinks all day? Is that a nude thing to do? He's not even playing elden ring Wait to be fair a lot of nerds sit in their office all day and drink these days, especially The problem with the film is not the wokeness. Yes, there's some woke touches You have cat woman who is a woman of color who is of course good The Ah the thing about that though is she was she was black in the Halle Berry water. She was uh If the kit always gets referenced, right? She was the one in the tv show without him west I think or at least one of the potential cat women And you could tell there was some Yeah, he he said in a non He started with the in a non-woke way and then went to that but theoretically this means that if Halle Berry wore white face Ben Shapiro wouldn't have this problem with this movie, right? Or would he He'd have an extra problem Yeah, I lack References for whether or not is a woman cat woman has ever been black in the comics or whether Commissioner Gordon has ever been black in the comics. I assume no for both of them. I don't know I probably know. Yeah, and let's there might be like a parallel universe where like, um, you know There's race swaps going on but uh as far as mainstream guys are usually white It's where I saw someone post a comic panel where cat woman was black, but I guess I don't know the context so I I yeah, it could also be like a super new comic, which is hard to count sometimes because obviously I mean the people the people working within this framework don't count that right, you know, that's and that's the um, I guess the The the the playing field that they're on as Selena kyle like there could be another one like another cat woman that is black But like Selena kyle. It's normally white. So what I'm saying Interesting mola didn't speak up to ryan kennel on friday night tights, but he's very vocal about someone when they can't talk back So I didn't talk to ryan about his video at all. Um What he got in trouble for from what I remember or of what I've been told I haven't like seen the whole video Is that he said too many white people were bad guys except the main character and alfred And all the black people were good guys and he just didn't he felt that was motivated politically um I'm trying to think of like splitting that into How you split that into like a categorized like a reality is like is that true? It's like can you guys think of Any of the white people who are good people? That's not his comment specifically was was on his comment specifically. He says, um Too many of the black people were good guys And I didn't like that and you have to From what he means Well, you have to you have to you have to steal man him to get any non garbage fucking read from that like Oh, I I know I think that's the thing. I know him enough to know I know him enough to know that his point wouldn't be I don't like him a black people portrayed as dyes people or some shit like it's just Very poorly worded. Yes It would well That's what I that's what I've heard as well that the clip is some fantastic on its own But again, I just it would be a surprise to me if uh, if you bet something like that dramatically Inappropriate you could call it but um The thing is about like people complaining about the accuracy of races from comics to screen I think that's fine. If you want to if that's a position you take and you apply it consistently For example, like you would be as mad about a white blade and I'm pretty sure they would be And uh, that's fine with me, but um, it's not something that I get bothered by that much at all really That'd be a good, uh, like um, like if I became a ninja The white blade that would be kind of White samurai Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, we could go on adventures together Is battling over whether or not what Jay just said is wrong. They're all at each other's throats. Look what you did Jay Let's uh, I could go and re-listen to the clip to get the exact quote. I guess Let we're all I we're all giving Ryan the benefit. I'm pretty sure I gave him the exact quote I don't believe he's racist at all. He may have said it and I mean ben could have phrased that better You know, like yeah, there's an understanding. I mean, I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt I'm giving him the I don't know him and I don't really care to look into it of the doubt Um, but yeah, I'm not I'm not declaring him to have meant a particular thing Uh, as far as a cat woman is concerned, uh, we seem to have She seems to be a multi multi ethnic character. We see many even animated wise. I'm looking at pictures of her There are there whites and browns everywhere. It's just it's like a big big Mocha frappuccino, it's just you know, it it's all kind of just Whatever you get is what you get. So I don't think it's a big issue at all Um, well, uh, most people know that our position on adaptation. So like it doesn't surprise me that this this would be Something that wouldn't bother us at all. I don't think anybody's brought it up that She's not white for like our analysis sort of thing. I'm much more concerned with how she's characterized And uh, I like her uh in the batman. I still prefer michelle fife as catwoman. I actually rewatched some clips of his She's white Because she's white of the I really Oh my goodness, I wouldn't mind. I would look forward to watching, um, batman returns with with with uh, you Not seeing that that it's a it's quite a fucking movie. It's uh, oh, yeah I've rewatched it recently. It's an interesting one Very interesting Well while we're on the topic, uh, to tony swan who says in chat No catwoman is white end of stroy Commas are very important You see if because no catwoman is white is different than no catwoman is white end of story Right two completely different things commas are very important So Indeed it takes three seconds and it could save your life Where are your seatbelts? It saved penguin in this movie so it could save you too He's a big boy Right Where are your seatbelts? Give a hoot and strap a boot. You know in case anybody's curious, uh, we think it's hyper cringe So she said the comment about the the bad guys being white. Um, that was yeah That took us out of the movie. That was out of nowhere. Yeah The fuck was that very strange Uh, yeah, uh, I guess moving right along to This film thinks about man is the Villainess this may have found the exact Ryan kennel court by the way. Oh, no It is he says that, um Jim gordon is black catwoman is not white and then the mayor is a black woman It's very on the nose for current hollywood. I didn't like that That's the thing if you if you know the context of all things to these Typically looks out in terms of messaging or whatever you you'd have a way better understanding of that But that in isolation comes across as really sus He's also doing the fucking Anita sarkeesian thing Of just hey, this individual film has these demographics. So that's a problem Whereas if you want to ever make a point about, um, demographics in hollywood It doesn't serve you looking at individual films. You want to Um, you want to look at trends and looking at any individual film to try and make a point about demographics Is fucking useless and stupid you probably argue it is part of a trend, right? Well, he he almost certainly would but then to every time a film comes out that has like, you know, whatever race of whatever characters or whatever Genders or whatever, right to just be like this character has you know This character is this race bad because it conforms to the trend That's the issue because no a few Let's let's just for the moment accept this framework that's happening in hollywood that it's all politically motivated Black people everywhere. Um Right, let's let's accept that fully. Let's let's let's say that's uncontroversial right now um Then even then um, what you've got is you can't then set up a sense where every time someone of that demographic appears in a film That you declare that that isn't something you like or even, you know multiple people um in in one film, um Because ultimately that is simply, you know, that's just them being them existing. Um It's it's the trend you don't like and not the individual instances Because I suppose I suppose to make the point clear in a vacuum Uh, I uh, I don't think that he would complain about this If this was like the first ever film um To to to race what characters I don't think he would complain about it. Certainly not in the same way Well, yeah, so from what I am aware of that They would chill with a lot of the examples that you could bring up from like earlier decades because of the fact that There wasn't a push for it. Um They see a push and then they'll use these examples to prove that point. I would imagine Yeah I think it's only ever Failed it to bring up the examples as part of a wider point rather than just making the point individually about every film It does it All right, yeah, let's talk about the movie The actual batman character hates the batman character and this drives me up an absolute wall The biggest problem with the film is not the wokeness. Yes, there are some oak touches You have cat woman who is a woman of color who is of course good And you have the black female mayor who is good and you have the black jim gordon who who is good every I think you need to include your uh, your context for what this is referring to exactly because You guys are the standard chat right like this in isolation will make someone conclude something uh very easily Something else me. I mean Well, I feel like this has to be like a pretty clear example of when you're Communicating something and you think that everybody is like knows exactly what you mean. They're already They're in your circles. They're on your side I guess and like that they know exactly like what you're trying to say But of course plenty of people don't right so like if you look at this Could is it possible that he doesn't care about people who don't know what he's trying to say and he's just trying to preach to acquire her Like he's not trying to reach an audience maybe but i'm not sure maybe but i mean like it just it it looks bad He's just so maybe he's just so used to that. He doesn't even think about its presentation I don't know. I guess it's just like if you're gonna talk about it you might want to like Put in all your additional like because otherwise this is like because we do this with that woman when we see a white male That's introduced. We're like instantly. He's gonna die or be a villain and it's just it always happens Yeah White character is apparently bad like all of them fine. Whatever. I don't really care about that. That's fine. Oh, hey, there you go Well I think they wanted him to acknowledge it But I I think what this is he cares so much more about the issue he takes with the film which is that it's angry at batman Yeah, yeah, okay, but let's see his justification Yeah, i'm curious You have catwoman say stuff about white privileged elites and and she makes a suggestion that bruce wane is a child when His parents were killed. He doesn't really have a right to be super upset about that because of course He was very very rich that that doesn't kind of rings hollow You know a lot of these lines seem like throwaways for for it remind me of that one again I'm yeah, is that what she said? I I don't recall her saying he doesn't have a right to be upset his parents I remember that there was a line I don't think he's talking about that one. I think it's a part where um She makes the observation that he must be rich like he must be because of the way that he his perspective I say Yeah, but I don't believe that that is because I mean she doesn't know Oh man that echo, um, she doesn't know that bruce isn't she don't know that batman's bruce So I'm not sure what he means here I don't either He's referring to Didn't she say that that uh, he's not like I don't know a real Or from like they are because he was looking down on the city from his apartment and not wasn't that riddler that said that though Was it riddler Am I mixing those those two? That could be yeah Yeah, because she doesn't know that he's bruce wane as has been said, so I don't know how white what the link is to It has to be talking about the riddler them, right? Yeah, but she she talked about bruce wane without knowing that he's batman She was just a general talking about bruce wane, I think Yeah, I just think um the part about um bruce wane, you know not being you know hashtag not a true orphan Was um from riddler. Yeah, you might be right. I might mix those up. You're right the line. You must have grown up rich No, that that's something he said, but she doesn't say like she's not like She says she says you must have grown up rich not you must have grown up rich. How dare you be sad your parents are dead He has to be talking about the riddler then because like the riddler was talking He specifically said he was talking about catwoman. Well, pull it back. Let's see Yeah, I don't think she pulls a car. We have some smooth games and chat again They didn't even watch the movie i'm critiquing the critic. I watched it for a second time last night I'll have you know I was asking for clarification if she said it. I don't quite remember. I don't remember her definitely not saying it I was just wondering ask You haven't memorized every line. I'm sorry Jesus Gestion that Bruce Wayne is a child when his parents were killed He doesn't really have a right to be super upset about that because of course he was very very rich That that doesn't kind of brings hollow You know a lot of these lines seem like throwaways for for film He definitely attributed that to selena then I think he's must I think he's confusing details or maybe I could actually understand it um If he's taken the riddler line of like you you don't have the true often life because he grew up super rich And he's melded that into cat womans. Like you are you must have grown up rich to batman They're different povs though about oh totally. That's the thing. That's why it's like Trying to fit he says it says it rings hollow. Um, I don't think I disagree with him That part in particular the I always find it hyper cringe to be like if you're a rich person Then your parents die is pretty chill I don't remember that I don't think it's hollow in terms of um exploring riddler's character and beliefs True. I agree with that. I I I I believe it from the riddler as a character But I guess it wouldn't be like a valid criticism or anything. I guess Yeah, I guess I should clarify that um it as a point to be taken seriously as like an actual reality It's something I I find rings hollow, but it telling you their perspective as a character. Yeah, I'm fine with that You know in essence in essence, I mean maybe there's stuff to be taken from it in essence, um, riddler is jealous that Bruce was getting all this sympathy because his parents were dead when his situation was significantly worse and he wasn't getting any sympathy at all um, you know, there could be criticism of like people's priorities in there, I suppose but, um Of like, you know, I guess the point would be that people should have been taking more care of the even less fortunate Right, just because someone has had one horrific event doesn't mean they need all of the carrot attention Because ultimately Bruce did have a support network around him and would have been is was eventually going to you know, not Not get better from the like his parents were going to come back back to life But he was ultimately going to turn out much better than a lot of more people who needed a lot more help He didn't need any more help than he already had. I guess that's the way to put it I was just going to give a gap for anyone else to add anything, but I'm more happy to carry on Yeah, carry on But the main theme is not a throwaway. The main theme is what matters here. The film despises batman. So every That is interesting when you're working about the evens here It's interesting as well to think about, uh Despises batman. It's just like, I mean, it's uh, without having him explain yet I probably agree that it's critical of elements of batman. That's probably the furthest I'll go I guess, um, I think that's fair considering that batman Changes in a reasonable way and the film's like, yeah, that's a good thing to do I would also think it's fair to be critical of batman Um, yeah, it's fine as a critical of batman. He's a he is a vigilante. Yeah, there's you know, there's a discussion we had there What are we what are we What are we saying about the idea of arcs? If not like we're not going to have any part of the story where like the hero is flawed to some extent Well, yeah, because I guess we'll see what kind of point he wants to make but I mean Is it doesn't mean that you hate the character that like you presented as he's not His arc is incomplete and he's in a bad place and then his arc is completely changes and he's in a better place I wouldn't yeah, I wouldn't say that the first iron man movie hates iron man Well, you'd have to argue civil war hates iron man or something like that You wouldn't argue the first one hates iron man Well, I wouldn't no, I mean by the metric we're having presented because the first one isn't You you might be able to argue as critical of tony star like it hates tony stark because he you know He goes on because I'm assuming that's what your point. You were making there for me, right? Like if you go from x to y and any shape way shape a form with an arc then are you Thus a film that hates x And like I suppose you could be story to hate its character Yeah, like if you go from you know the worst kind of human in every single trait and by the end of the film You're the best kind. It's like does this movie hate Worst people it is like maybe. Um, I guess it would just because I don't think that a new hope Yeah, I don't I don't think that the original trilogy hates luke skywalker living as a moisture. No. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't yeah, I you'd have to really work hard to convince me that this film hates Batman at the beginning of the movie Maybe he can because I would say that right now that the film is just saying it's not It is not directing his efforts efficiently if anything because but I guess we'll find out Right because I think what the film is trying to say is it's just trying to say You know, there's a good way to be batman and there's a not so good way Wow to be batman, but I wouldn't say that's hating batman. I'd say it's just about focusing where the batman energy goes It might be worthwhile before we proceed to lay out. Well, I say we I think that yeah, I'm pretty sure meme and I have the same opinion on this the film is About how batman ought to operate it's questioning the way like what what What do you seek to achieve as batman and how should you best go about it? That's what the film is about So to some extent it is going to be critical of his motives Or the way that he operates But I don't see that as meaning that it hates batman at least Well, I mean, I certainly don't feel like the film hates batman, but I guess we'll see what his arguments are The movie would need to essentially take the stance that the world is worse off for batman instead of batman could be doing better Which I don't think this movie is saying well There is a part where bruce says that he he starts to wonder if he's actually making a positive impact And of course the riddler's existence is like a key example of oh this isn't working Yeah, I don't see that as a condemnation right this isn't working there for give up Like I would argue you know batman at all Yeah, I because I think that might be part of my my most interested and favorite part of the film is like That opening Is like I've successfully struck fear into all these and then I think the rest of film is like Was that good? Yeah, exactly. Is it working? I mean even it's like crime is up. Shit's going wrong. And then of course when you find out that the riddler was inspired by you It's like Yeah, having unforeseen circumstances like Arise as a result is gonna make us think like wait. Oh, okay. Hmm. I am vengeance like damn I don't see how that means. We hate batman in this film, you know that it's He's not he is batman. He is dressed up as batman. He's in the suit people call him the batman But in terms of like becoming The batman that we broadly understand to batman to be that's a bad sentence You know, he's not there yet. He's what he's getting there. I don't see that as Dispising batman, but hey, let's see what his arguments are. Yeah Now fully excited to explain why a man who is a billionaire would dress up like a bat and go around beating up criminals It's not answered and the director doesn't know Wait, what? I'm gonna yeah, I need to do that again Theme is not a throwaway. The main theme is what matters here. The film despises batman So every batman iteration has to explain why a man who is a billionaire would dress up like a bat and go around beating up criminals It's not answered and the director doesn't know No, it is answered. It's It's pretty much like That's basically it. It's a vengeance. It's answered in one word vengeance I Was gonna say I feel like the film definitely cover this Yeah, I am I can see someone saying like they didn't cover this because they assume you know and that's why we're doing year two and not year one I've like, oh the film did definitely go over it To make sure we had that it wasn't without it Um as for whether or not that is how batman does that that should be the reason that bruce becomes batman That's what the film is about. I feel like yeah, the film is looking at that. Um Yeah And I've seen clips and and exits from comics. This is definitely in there This isn't made up and and I believe high top has said this is the most accurate vision of batman. He's ever seen so I mean That is an interesting thought. Um I'm not sure that that's simple though when we're talking about a character with so much history No, of course, I that's simple at all. There's no one accurate version. Yeah, he might clarify You know height. I'll be like no accurate to this run and I'd be like, right, okay Right, your favorite or the one that you like the most. I certainly have no fucking clue I I wouldn't even know how to categorize them like well, I mean if you would have say accurate to all batman or The infinitely more way accurate to the spirit of the character Then wow all of the character can be whatever you want it to be really Yeah, I guess it's just I would say that it's kind of like a mix in certain senses It's incredibly faithful But in other ways like the fact that the bruce wane Personality has basically not existed. It's like well That's usually a thing that you see that it really plays up the billionaire playboy persona Usually is a front obviously but but that's like not here at all. So but but I mean I think that's a That's like deliberate on the part of the writers Someone asked why did I bring that up at all then so ben said That um he did like like the matt reeves doesn't even know why batman why bruce became batman So I assume he's appealing to something of a source like As opposed to because like these are all adaptations He's referring to and it's the adaptations job to reflect the reason the reason not like you can choose your own And he said like matt reeves doesn't know what it is and it's like so it's it is a reason I'm assuming it's from the comics and that's why I'm referencing high top has thought that um A lot of batman aren't good enough like like the films themselves are pretty cool I think he he says the batman 89 is like a disaster as an adaptation of batman Which by the way, I think a couple people in chat will probably agree with I know that's a relative common sentiment I wouldn't know um I don't know if batman returns is Better or worse in terms of that. I have no idea It's just I'm just saying that it's interesting that someone who's obsessed with comic accuracy quote-unquote from I top said the the batman Is the most accurate that he's seen apparently It's a disaster in a way. So disaster as an adaptation. That's what I've been told and and I have seen clips with Tim Burton's like I don't fucking I don't even comics. What I don't do that Oh, no, I'd say that both the Burton films are pretty disastrous adaptation wise Like they're really cool to look at and I think they have had a big influence, but like as far as um, like the more substantial details go they tend to get Do I say dare say almost everything wrong, but um, I don't know if I want to completely go that far I would have to like because that's like there's so much source material to go through that I don't want to commit to everything But I would say there was not a lot right adaptationally when I rewatched it recently Some people saying it kills the fuck out of a lot of people in those movies. That's true Oh, welcome to batman movies. I was gonna say it's pretty much in old batman movies. Yeah, except this one. No The trend continues the trend continues. Yeah And the writer doesn't know and this is the problem So in the Nolan films to take the contrast the question as to why batman does this is because if batman Does not actually intimidate the criminal underworld because the city is so You have failed us Oh, hey, I've been there I think that's the that's the The Nolan may way manner, right? The bat Wayne. Well, you've been there so you can tell us, right? Yeah. Uh, well, I've been there once about a year ago So, so it's oh, so you can't remember anything about it. Well, it's I'll tell you something rags. It looked vaguely like that Oh, um Was was he on the stairs like that just as he's still there. He's still there today That's incredible. That's incredible. Somebody help me please. I want to leave Ben Shapiro. It's like by manner. He can't leave Oh nice Imagine if you were haunted by the ghost of Ben Shapiro It'd be strange. You just I just like echoes of his voice coming through the wall It would be the least spooky voice to hear through the Every time you do something he'd done the proof of Um, let's roll the back bit doesn't know and the writer doesn't know. All right. This is the problem So in the Nolan films to take the contrast the question as to why batman does this is because if batman Does not actually intimidate the criminal underworld because the city is so corrupt No one else will do it and money isn't going to solve the problem And so he needs to create a theatrical kind of fear in order to dissuade the criminal underworld from participating And then as it turns out he also has to save the city itself And demonstrate his faith in the city by becoming a symbol here. You don't really know why batman is doing what he's doing Right. So I'm saying that it's very clear. I don't know why you don't know Ben Yeah, because because what's the way it's it's funny how he lays it out in the Nolan films He becomes a symbol of fear to deter criminals. It's like, yeah, so he tries he tries that in this film. It doesn't work That's the point It didn't work. It had it in fact it actually motivated some people to Which uh Thing to commit crimes like to be like him. Is that his point that you're not supposed to do it that way? But he he he said I thought that was something for the batman always What like the idea that No, like the idea that What he does inspires criminals to be like his opposite in this sense. Um, well, I guess it's it's complicated Um, it's like that vision quite in civil war that our strength invites challenge It's like I think there's a difference between that and like people being directly inspired to like be like you But they're actually the bad guys That's like, yeah, there's a difference. We know so yeah as opposed to they rise to confront you But it's only an element right that like that the the joker and I mean, it's one of the things that's often talked about with the no kill rule, right? It's like What good does it do to just keep locking them up if they're gonna break out of jail again? But then it's like well, is that batman's responsibility or is that the state's responsibility? Like what is batman's role in gotham that's often explored. This is just one Look at it Yeah, I would say this is far more nuanced than the nolan films as far as like exploring like batman's modus operandi and the consequences of that and him having to learn And mature as as a batman while the nolan films A lot of it was was just focusing on on the fear element and there was a little bit of Focusing on consequences in the dark night, but I don't think it goes anywhere near as close as what this film does Um From at least from where i'm standing having Yeah, I think in the dark night He gets the point of saying you should probably hang up the batman to stop the joker from using That as a like excuse to kill people like I'll keep killing people who don't reveal who you are Like batman at that point is being used as a Almost like a you know, like there's a there's a connection there with this film in that film But I agree that like this film this film is doing like the you know, it's pretty clear at the end Right that the the it's almost one of the biggest payoffs in a sense the the girl who grabs him and He's like shocked because he doesn't well at least it comes across a little bit like that that he's not used to this He doesn't know what it means to be like a person that is encouraging and inspiring people It's like wait, yeah, could that be part of you know, your operation and I assume that's what we're going to be exploring in the second film Well, I hope so I'm hoping we get like robin and stuff and we see Because because the idea is that he has been He has inspired people in this film But only criminals which is the exact opposite that he's wanted and he realized that needs to put more effort Into inspiring the goodness in people and not just the people who want to imitate his crazy insane tactics Fear-wise, so I think it's quite a beautiful message in his own way I think the comparison to the long halloween is actually rather Permanent here because I was so I was just reading it last night and there's a part where gordon asks Batman if he thinks that his influence over gotham invites You know crazy people to come challenge him, you know What we've just been talking about gordon asked batman if he thinks that's the case and in the long halloween batman Kind of flatly denies it Or at least that's what he says to gordon. It's not really clear What he believes but he kind of denies that he's like no, it's you know, he kind of denies responsibility for it so I think I think it's interesting That if he's talking about the long halloween is what ben that is if he's talking about the long halloween as like His definitive batman comic adaptation and in that they don't try to blame or associate um Like the the escalation by the villains on batman's presence or his His tactics himself, but in this movie they do. So I think he probably doesn't like that I think that might be where this is coming from and there's a lot of talk of what he is as a symbol in this film. It's uh It's it's not it's definitely not something that's just not present It's just that they seem to have a different idea in this film compared to nolens and uh, that's what i'm trying to figure out If ben recognizes that or if he does like if he thinks it's not there or if he thinks it is there, but it's not right It is difficult to tell I hope I hope he will clarify and I suppose We want to find out Itself and demonstrate his faith in the city by becoming a symbol here You don't really know why batman is doing what he's doing. Yeah, it's never explained. He's very wealthy He doesn't apparently do anything with his wealth. He doesn't try to give charity He doesn't I mean is that so that's addressed in the movie Exactly the movie address. You know that because it's addressed in the movie. Yes. That's how you know That's the only reference to I'm more specifically talking about Him as a character how he's addressing like like alfred's like you should be doing the stuff ben just said And then batman is like I am that's what i'm doing Like without realizing necessarily that there's more you can do with the bruce side of your personality than just batman But that's how he sees it in this film is that batman is all of my work to make things better Um, if you don't like that You know, I I can do with it because this film is tell me why it's bad. Yeah Yeah, you you need to then arrive at a criticism Well, I think what what he's what he's trying to say if i'm steel manning here is that In the nolan movies and in the comics that he likes Batman does use his money to try and help the city, but it doesn't work So he becomes the batman because nothing else seems to work, but in this one It's kind of the other way around Yeah, he doesn't give a bunch of money to charitable causes in the movie at all and um It I obviously the movie does explain why he becomes batman, but I think maybe the the most charitable thing I could say about ben's take here is that He thinks it's odd that he hasn't tried all these other means of helping the city first You know what I mean? um, yeah, I think that the movie is just trying to tell us that he's um He's like incredibly narrow-minded and this is the film that's breaking him out of that as a character that he thinks that like Batman is going to be the best tool to do this with And this is a film where he realizes holy fuck. I was very wrong about that You know, yes, it's the story of batman growing up while still Having the maturity to know that he doesn't have to give up batman entirely Just need to change what batman is and I think the implication is also because they brought it up so many times that he needs to You know bruce way to quote out for bruce wane needs to make more appearances You know, you know, it was a very big deal when he was putting the suit on He was just like oh is bruce wane actually going to make an appearance this time Which to me when you combine it with a lot of the other references earlier in the film with Him talking about how you know, his his parents company is being run into the ground because he's not giving it any attention Um, you know, it's very clear that bruce wane in the film is being considered incredibly important and A lot of the ideas that he needs to stop neglecting that side and balance it with his role as batman I I don't know if that's just not clear to him or if he's taking issue with How that's done, but I don't know for me it was pretty clear Yeah, I think the film relies on it being clear. I don't see how the film works without that understanding being conveyed to the audience Yeah Yeah, it's just like I don't know how you miss it I'm trying to remember the um in batman begins when he comes back from his big old Like pilgrimage slash adventure does he engage bruce wane stuff or batman stuff first? Um, well, I think his main goal is to engage with batman stuff First he becomes he he just makes he makes his presence known at like the stock when the company's going public At the beginning, but um He starts slipping into the bruce wane stuff gradually after he's come back And I think alfred stirs it on a little bit saying that you know, he's got a he's got a he's got to keep up appearances Otherwise people are going to be wondering Where bruce wane is spending so to clarify what I mean is Does he engage in big philanthropy? First or does he do like going his first crime fight and spree first? He definitely goes on the crime fighting spree first unless i'm missing something. Um, I think you're right. Yeah. Yeah Where's the trigger actually made a plot point. He's a bad man. He's white He's a bad white man. Who doesn't actually get bad It's a bad man because he's white Sounds like he's bad There is there's just i'm confused There's just characters being critical of him not using his money, which I think is yeah Part of the reason why the white privileged comment comes out of left field is because There's really nothing else in the film Like that. Yeah, it's out of nowhere. Yep. It's just like there he is Yeah, like I I feel like the film really doesn't care at all that like bruce is white like it's not It doesn't matter like that's not important. It's much more about like wealth and it is about I didn't even oh, yeah The impression that catwoman cared about it that much until she said it Yeah, or at least if she has any care about like Racial relations or whatever right? It's it's not explored at all like it's It's very much like power dynamic That line is something Ben was right about I think that Ben Ben says that like there are a couple of lines scattered in there to get like Lefty twitter talking. I think he was broadly right except they're also there to get like right when twitter talking as well Because the idea of lines like that is to create discourse. So the film is more talked about and uh Sells more tickets. I think that's generally the idea of that, right? Yeah, my issue is that I could just see the studio except putting their hand up her ass to get her to say that line Yeah, just very in your face. Honestly, man. I feel like everyone can agree on that Even if the people yeah, like want to agree like like listen strictly talking about characters It's like seems to come out of fucking nowhere Wealthy he doesn't apparently do anything with his wealth. He doesn't try to give charity He doesn't I mean this actually made a plot point. He's a bad man. He's white He's a bad white man who doesn't who doesn't actually give charity. He's not involved I think I'm pretty sure he's involved in doing stuff with his wealth then I think his favorite would be critical of him for that for her character. That's totally fine Because yeah, well like the thing that the thing that he is doing with his wealth objectively is being batman Like that's gotta cost some fucking money, right? Which is his point That's what he believes to be a response to the idea that he's not doing enough in relation to the Wayne legacy He's like this is what it is What I am doing with my time effort and money for sure all that batman gear doesn't cost nothing Yeah, like because imagine right like you've got some Imagine you've got some fucking volunteer relief worker who's invested a huge amount of his own personal money Into buying all this equipment and what he does is he goes and like goes into like fucking War torn areas and rescues injured children like and that's what he spends Every day of his life doing and someone goes up to him and goes Well, he could be donating more money to charity that guy'd be like you're fucking kidding me Like I'm want to do you do you not see how fucking altruistic I'm being here? I'm like a saint and you're like, oh, but donate more money to charity. Okay I like the idea of that relief work and be like, hey, I'm a saint. Okay Fuck you Like So ben is saying unless I'm I've I misheard him twice He is saying that the film is saying that bruce is a bad man. Well, I'm I didn't get that vibe Oh, I got the vibe that he's a he's a good man who has taken a very flawed methodology to the good. He's trying to do Um, so sure Yeah Oh, yeah, I don't I don't know where he's getting the whole he is one bad angle As people are mentioning you've got to take into consideration pov None of these people know he's batman They just know he's sitting on a lot of money and he doesn't do anything And he's also thinking about how last time the way he's gave money away everything went to shit Right The whole thing the last time they give a billion dollars away Everyone was like, oh, I want to cut of that and everyone says that did all the stuff Does he know that at that point in the film? He doesn't know that yet. That's the that comes in later. Yeah Which by the way, you could argue is the film's way of saying sometimes throwing money at a problem isn't the solution You know it depends on how you want to read everything And he's not playing that as a role again This is part of the problem is that Bruce Wayne and batman are the same character So if you I keep using the nolan comparison as because it is the bold standard for all superhero movies not just batman movies I mean, I just put a cap of face on screen, but I can't We can listen to that again if you would like to j here we go I would like to bad man. He's white. He's a bad white man who doesn't who doesn't actually give charity He's not involved and he's not playing that as a role Again, this is part of the problem is that Bruce Wayne and batman are the same character So if you I keep using the nolan comparison as because it is the bold standard for all superhero movies not just batman That is a bench period take that is his Wrong nothing wrong with that People are entitled to the way. Yes. What what incredible films those are and he believes that they are the gold standard for all superhero movies That is certainly does seem to be an interesting perspective to have fair enough Ben. Yes. It is absolutely. Yeah. How about that? Yeah, you know I do want to just take a brief detour which I'm sure is gonna ruin a lot of people in chat To acknowledge the people in chat who were going to specifically be annoyed by this detour Who I don't know where this is coming from, but it's fucking hilarious people who keep saying that I've like Raided this entire e-fap with my hate for Ben Shapiro Like what? Like what those coins that they're like this isn't this isn't a e-fap anymore. This is just the j hate Ben Shapiro So first off what a horrific mouthful that is. I don't even know I feel like I would I would know I I feel like I'd pick it up if I felt you were Just being mean to him as opposed to his points. I feel like I feel like One of the things that they brought up like loads of people brought up the comment Like there was loads of stuff in chat about what I made fun of his voice for not being intimidating as a Oh That's everyone man. What a mean joke that I made about Ben Shapiro. It's like fucking going I'm going all in on him here. Didn't we all do that wouldn't make for an intimidating ghost. Oh I murdered him. I thought we Ruined I didn't even know that was it does anyone disagree with that They can't possibly disagree with that they could only just be like Me shut up. That's me. Well fine. Yeah, you can you can call it me. That's okay Let's let's get this out of the way Ben Shapiro Happens to be a very popular political commentator if we found that's how we found him Right, that's how we found his incredible film opinions Yes, if we just found him out in the wild As it were we he would he would be equally fascinating with his opinions I just think there's some meme quality that comes from the fact that this is Ben Shapiro with these opinions Yeah, yeah Jay you've been you've been absolutely fine. If not if not gold standard for all reactions including superhero movies Ben Shapiro is like a human being with small dog syndrome I feel like he's just gonna edit a human being You can't make fun of his voice And I think he thinks he's much more intimidating than he actually is So when you look at Nolan's Batman Bruce Wayne is the character that Batman is playing Hey, Bruce Wayne is not real Batman is real Batman is who Bruce Wayne really is and so he has to play a fob In Batman begins he's squire really enjoy that as a clip out of context. Bruce Wayne is not real Batman Um, I by the way, I agree with him. I agree with him on that Sure carrying around ladies and his Lamborghini and he's buying hotels and he's doing all of this just to cover up for the fact that he is Batman So you get very separate Batman and Bruce Wayne get the same thing actually with Michael Keaton Batman and Bruce Wayne are two different characters here Batman and Bruce Wayne are the exact same character There are points where Bruce Wayne is walking around. He's got the same So this is the problem is being highlighted almost as a criticism which is um Yeah, I'm sure that in the next film He's gonna start doing the playboy thing or at least at some point in this story start working on a high imagine Yeah, like it'll it'll become relevant I have respect for the the movie basically trying to be like this is why he's going to start doing that As opposed to imagining someone could be like they could have had it in this movie though It's like you you could theoretically Tell this story specifically that he is obsessed with Batman Yeah, they could have made a different movie. Yes. Yes. Yeah The story they're choosing to tell here Yeah, I I really do think we'll get that very soon in the continuity of this Batman Our expression same glazed look same kind of emo Thing going on as Batman does the entire movie. And so there's no dichotomy already folks will That's the problem though. Oh, are we gone? Oh, are we done? That's the end of that point He is correct But like there's nothing substantive about that as a criticism at least not yeah, not right now You need to flesh it out a bit more. I can totally see someone saying like that is that is a necessary component of a Batman story or something like that It'd be like, um This film is how we got there. I don't like I don't know It's the same as the um as the like people who don't like MCU spider-man because he's not Um Spider-man fully learned all of the lessons that they expect a spider-man to have learned yet when he's still on his way Yeah, uh, I I think it is similar that that's that's not the story They're telling and some people are like, yeah, well, I don't want to fucking watch that story. It's like, all right That's oh, well love think you are in luck. Man. I've got some good news for those people Well, I will I will say The the anger them would come from the fact that they're like, why did three of the 200 million? However, many budget things go to three stories that I wouldn't want and it's like you're unlucky on that front. I suppose um You know what else? Like there are stories that we would all like to see for Batman presumably Um, we won't all get the one the exact that we want I don't know if this was the exact one any of you guys we're looking for specifically I think free is close to like some and you always wanted right kind of Uh, I why I really like it. Yeah, so it's a really cool take There's almost a lottery element sometimes to these things and it's just like yeah This was the one and some people like now is shit Well, I really agree with a lot like I wouldn't say that this story specifically is something I had in the back of my head But as far as like the underlying philosophy of this film I would say that I've been waiting for a Batman film that like presented it. Um, the the philosophy Um in this way. Um, so yeah, I was happy in that regard I think When we have the full context of the trilogy that I think they're probably going to make and you know, I could be wrong Unless I could be proven wrong eventually, but I don't think I will Um is the in the full context of the trilogy. We will have Well, however many films there are we will have something that really fully demonstrates the nature of the discrepancy between Bruce Wayne and Batman because we will have seen him Already being Batman, which is his true self, you know, this is uh, that's just unfiltered him Um, and we will see him slowly form the Bruce character that he plays for the public eye over time, which will make it It's much more unambiguous than any other portrayal that that is um That's what's gonna that it is a separate character that he's playing which one of him is the real Yeah, and the nolan trilogy had him being like he was he was bruce One quote and then he moved into developing into batman while also crafting a bruce Wayne for the public I think that's what the nolan trilogy you'd argue happens in batman begins I haven't seen that movie in long enough now that i'm kind of quoting it without knowing fully about it But like I wouldn't mind watching that again soon because I've had a lot of good things about it In terms of looking again recently and I liked it I I remember this because the batman origin story that I think I most think about when thinking about man's origin story Um, there's a lot of cool things in it. There's definitely a lot of cool things in it Mm-hmm You're starting to sound like the force awakens apologist. They'll flash it out. They'll explain it later on Um, we've already got substance. I think we have an arc and we have a story The story is already there. Uh, if the film if they never made any more we still have a story Uh, force awakens you don't have a story What he's complaining about is an aspect that he would like to see explored which this particular film hasn't done An hour point is they're probably saving that for the next film like although, you know, if they don't then his criticism I don't think it's a valid criticism Like it's not a reason that the film is bad But it is something that it's valid for him to be disappointed about by because it's something he wants and isn't getting I think that you can have all these perspectives and it's totally fine It just gets all good when you try to frame them as these are definitive criticisms of the movie for example I wanted to see Superman fight Lex Luthor not fucking Zod Screw you man of steel and that's my only criticism of the movie. You're like damn when someone says well, Luke's Luke's luther Lex Luthor will be in Probably the next one and be like, oh, so I have to wait until the next one Is that is that the excuse for this film being good? It's like no, it's just all this was about that's all There's a lot of payoffs everyone's going to be looking for right? I want to see scarecrow in this in this universe And if they go, you know Batman 2 no scarecrow and be like, oh, well, I guess I'll still I'll see what they're up to, you know It's probably likely with with all the different things that They can do a lot of people were saying like they'd like to see a mr. Freeze and I'm like I don't even know how they would approach mr. Freeze in this universe I feel like everything's on the table as an option lift Arnie's Mr. Freeze completely don't change him at all and just put him into this universe I would like that hockey themed thugs and everything. Oh, I love the hockey theme Dude I was going I need is uh, I think I was looking for bat bat cliffs to do with batman robin I kind of remember why but um I just as I do with batman robin. I just started watching it and I was like, oh, I fucking love this movie so much When the hockey players arrive and start landing batman robin about to fight them in the background You can hear mr. Freeze say yes destroy everything What was this part of all right, I mean we'll do it. We just I mean What do you mean destroy everything What I think they legitimately might have thought that they were going to play hockey against other hockey teams I think so and only discovered late that this was a supervillain with ice powers In a mole car who just wants to turn the world into an ice cube Well, like the whole place is iced up to be iced the floor to make sure it's suitable for skating on you know He he supports his thugs when I mean he must do he goes in he's like let me go in first guys I'll get it all ready for you. I mean part of he's like, okay What about that is a strategy where you have you get your thugs to wear ice skates and then you ice the floor of everywhere You're gonna fight so they have the advantage Is something wrong with that strategy? I mean play your strengths, man If you if you have a bunch of guys who are really good at ice skating You want to alter the field of battle so that they have an advantage like yeah Genuinely genuinely that sounds like the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard But I can't think of what the actual problem with that plan would be Hey man, if you play zergs spread creep, that's just it's what you do play your advantages All right, everyone chill imagine they did bring him in and they got I don't need to give off the best Most like nuanced acting performance ever and it's a non supernatural mr. Freeze He just wants another chance and he begged Matt Reeves and he got the chance It's like this really contemplative character He ends up like it. It would be cool to see you know it would be cool to see Isn't the uh, isn't the meme with that marketing thing that Gotham loves to come back The on the on that website that they said oh, so that's what I've seen man. I wonder Everybody likes to come back. Maybe it's more likely that I thought Um, although I saw something funny You do know that technically in the Nolan universe the scarecrow is still out there scott free never caught never punished I Don't need this part The bonnisher. He was never bonnished It was punished with a taser. Um, someone said maybe do efab movies for batman and rovid We already Wow, you're gonna be a happy man pop it in the youtube search. You may get something maybe there might be oh my goodness You will not be punished today. No Well, I may not love the batman, but here's the thing real batman knows how to protect himself and protect his Oh, right What's this music by the way? It's ad music. It's chill Ooh, what's the segue gonna be? Well, we just got the segue will batman know how to protect himself Batman invests in ring security systems. Oh, yes, he probably does they're that good And you should too because you need ring alarm. It's true Actual chills Like it's sexy the vipy's going for it. I think so Chat said ben wants to be batman. I I you might be correct. I think every halloween. I bet ben dress If he's like allowed to do that and it is weird religion or whatever He would absolutely dress up as batman. I think so He'd call himself ben man ben man Chat asked if I'm scared now and the answer was yes I'm terrified anything that I've said about ben that could be construed as less than flattering I'm sorry and I take it all back ben I've got a tinkle, but I'll be right back. Yeah Oh Disgusting the tinkler Have you oh, have you seen have you seen the tingler? Yeah, what's that? The movie that the old movie the tingler is that where the villain lies on your arm so that goes old tingly from You It feels like someone else is doing it. Yeah, it's not actually that Um, it's an old movie Yeah, the tingler. It's got Vincent price It's like it's what what the years is like 1960 something like 59 it is That would be an interesting It's one of those old horror movies that might be interesting for an efat movies watch Don't look up anything about it though. The whole thing is pretty well daily I got the mover movie poster here though That counts as looking something up about it metal Oh, you've looked up stuff now man. Oh, that's just when you see a poster like that you're like, oh, it's of that time Yeah, yeah, it's an it's an old that time because back when horror was kind of like shit usually Some sometimes or the way that they would try and present it was very interesting That might be a good efat movies We might have like like a classic movies efap arc where we watch some You know some silly movies like this and maybe the old blob and stuff like that that could be interesting I mean usually aside from the tingler, which is excellent and a massive What we'll have to do is we're gonna have to avoid We have to be careful with our selections because a lot of these old horror movies are military men in suits in an office And 50 percent of the movie is world war two b-roll and it's shit So we have to be really careful which ones we actually pick I make an alarm ring alarm is an award. I'm mr snow Oh, that's why emperor. Yeah, emperor grand patine knows so in the tingler for those who didn't know the Um, but the guy they had a theater gimmick Where this will make sense when you see the movie where some of the seats in the theater They had like a tiny little electric buzz on them so that Randomly some of the seats would give you that little buzz during certain scenes in the movie Which tied into stuff that was happening in the movie and what the tingler was about like shrek 4d I'm not familiar with shrek 4d. You'll have to catch me up I'm not sure if that's the correct title of the film But you know one of them then shrek rides that's like a cinema But it also like squirts you with water when a character sneezes or whatever Oh I didn't want it. Yeah, I went on one of those rides. It wasn't shrek. It was in bush gardens It was called dark castle Metal should like that and it was It was a 3d ride and it would do stuff like that where you'd get some water sprays and things and it was legitimately very impressive Because you'd have the you'd have your 3d goggles on and the chairs would move So it would simulate like falling and going up and down and it was it was really quite good Wish gardens, it's great. They had the griffin and i'm a big roller coaster guy. I love them Can't get enough of them. I think it's first of dark castle dark castle That full ride seems to be on youtube actually Neat If you're just watching it on youtube now, you just have to have someone spit on you Yeah, you can yeah, you can spit on yourself to simulate. Yeah easy Yeah, if you have a fan blowing at you, you could spit at the fan and then it'll just get you know you Oh, yeah, right upwards a little bit. Then it won't like surprise you. You know, I think you need someone to learn the cues for you Oh, yeah, they have to learn the cues Yeah, someone has to teach them the cues, but you don't know what the cues are so that you you don't expect. That's right. That's right So I assume whenever you see water, you're probably be like, uh, this is probably it though I feel like they could spit on you surprisingly. What if you had vr a vr headset to watch the actual material? So you have no idea what's happening? Yeah, yeah, it's dark castle. It's not just the 3d and everything It's the the chair the seat that you're in it moves and it turns around it spins like a roller coaster Uh, and you're in a dark room. So I don't know how much space it actually takes up I think it's probably just the chair is moving But because all of your vision is taken up by the the screen in the 3d And it's incorporated very well in terms of when the objects fly at you and things like that That you really kind of you really kind of buy it and you lose yourself on the ride. It's great. Had a good time Now the the cool thing with the tingler Is um, they had the vibrating seats, of course But um, they also paid actors to be in the movie theater to react as if the tingler had gone after them Because it's just the point in the center of the film where it's just like everybody the tingler has been released into the theater And then the the seats start vibrating and people start screaming and running out of the theater It's it's fun. It's called the tingler and the seats vibrate. I don't know. Yeah Different vibes here. There's an extra level. There's an extra level here. It's not just called the tingler It's called the tingler in Vincent Price's voice The tingler He has a very it's not a low pit. It's it's a very distinctive voice Um, I bet everyone's heard it. You just don't maybe don't associate that with the voice from at least from thriller, right? Oh, yes Yes, yes, that's true. Yeah, that's right Once you hear his voice and know exactly who it is rags is oddly enthusiastic about this. I don't I didn't know it would lead this way I just think I didn't know it would be rags. You're just generally an enthusiastic person. Yeah, this is in character for you Yeah, I don't feel this is a violation of your character. They've not assassinated you with your tingler enthusiasm And I know not only that the tingler is the kind of thing that typically you would get very enthusiastic about Oh, yeah Just wait until we watch the four scorpion king movie. Nope the five scorpion king movies and the four dragon heart movies It's gonna be insane boy top. I'm gonna start reviewing real life and just keep saying that everyone is acting within their own character This is in putin's character. You're gonna start with season one episode one or you're gonna just jump into the new stuff who I'll see what I can find Pretty system with available professional monitoring. It's more than just security ring alarm can help protect your home from flooding Freeze and fire as well. Ring alarm works. Oh my god. He could do his famous quote Not not a really big but wouldn't those fall into security? Or maybe inside like come again. I was thinking about the tingler I think I think I've thought something else. I thought for a second. They're like far and You know, like if the if the town flooded like it could it can warn you of that It's like that's a form of security. I guess right, but then I think it's referring to Inside like if you had if you left your taps on or something which I guess wouldn't come under security. That's more so Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I suppose you could leave your taps on and then Because it I guess it's better to learn about it It does I can tell you a first time that happened to me last week. Oh It lasts. Why are you metal? Metal, what do we tell you? You silly man It was amazing though. What happened? Well, my washing machine needed itself of the pedestal it was on and ripped out the water thing Yeah, I don't know what happened. I just came back down to the base to get my laundry and there was water everywhere Was it? Yeah, have you not seen home alone? Uh, I have but not since I was a kid the wet banded the whole thing You didn't wait. You didn't watch our oh, yeah, leaving the taps on. No, I did. I did see that coverage. Yeah Okay, the wet bandits were not spring to mind though. They should have They should have So Jay, um, I just want to point out that you said Um, uh, isn't that going to cause a flood as my cat right next to my desk was taking the longest piss I'd ever heard in my life Is Yes, that's a great way to phrase that how loud Listening to the pee You can hear it from across the apartment. He just What are you hearing as he pisses? He's going. I'm hearing Right into the box Oh, okay Because generally yeah, you don't hear the pissing itself. Yeah, you hear what it hits thing Which I guess I guess my mind went to something else. I was just I just thought it was odd when you said it because I was like you hear it pissing And I was like, no it probably makes more sense that he heard the urine bouncing off of some Every time the cat pisses it makes the loudest noise it can with its mouth Just to let you know You can add sensors for motion doors and windows their professional monitoring gives you the ultimate piece of line I like the way they show those clips looked like the robber was successful He's got to show up a day so we can see him rags. Otherwise, it would be all dark and you get confusing They can't do that. Professional monitoring gives you the ultimate peace of mind All of their services are part of a ring protect subscription. There are no long-term commitments If anything happens, I have no idea how effective the service is, but if it's good then good Yeah, I wonder if you can just go to like ring.com and buy the little signs that say protected by ring to get discount coverage That is a thing people do that with like They put the signs up just to make you think it's there, which is better than nothing totally protected by a ring That's a scene in mind hunter too where Or are they good? Oh, that's german That happens in evolutionary biology as well where animals will mimic the poison stripes of other animals So that they just don't get eaten even if they are themselves not poisonous. That's the same thing. Yes Yeah, I'd say so. Oh, I thought you meant animals would carry around unloaded guns It's loaded Ben's professional monitoring will call you and can request emergency services festival imagine It's like really good to the point where the thing breaks in that an android spawns and captures him ties him up And it's like why did you do this? Tell me your motivation? Why did they tell you to come here? You know you're in town having a drink and it phones you it's like you must return to your homestead I have captured an intruder Like you get home and there's just like a scared man being waterboarded No, it's your grandmother My kid threw his ball over the wall. I just wanted to get it back. I saw the door was unlocked I do not believe you You're a liar. Why did not you knock and let me know? You could have done it more effectively This seems like the fakest room ever it does That's a promotional room like the the lamp isn't even plugged in the cord of the lamp is just bundled up down at the bottom So it is And there's nothing in this room There's no table or anything like that and they just random plants because humans like those It's just it. What is that life picture? What the fuck is that? Why is that? Why is he letting the plant block the window? That's my question Some people do that to let it get light. Yeah. Yeah Oh, yeah, I get it mutes the the amount of light that comes in depending on which side of the house the window's on Right. This is a very bright little house already. So I think Well, yeah, because it helps plug in the lamp's white and everything's light That'll help the light bounce around on the inside Imagine that which is something that you need to take account into into account into When you paint your house, you need to be aware that different colors will absorb light differently So keep that in mind. I'd be curious if ring is activated by like absurd auditory elements too and it calls you and it's like Beeline urination has been detected Oh It is this other concerning volume Not only are my parents architects, one of my sisters is in college for interior design, so I didn't know how to think you have to go to college to know that the color of your house is important, but This isn't a real play. I think this is a just This is a super fake Is is my point you can they should have tried a little harder And can request emergency services. 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I know what you're gonna say Have all of you guys seen the south park episode about insecurity Because i'm pretty sure that it's like exactly this where if someone breaks into your house or something They called you to ask you of everything is all right And then they'll call the police and then there was like a whole joke that they did in this in south park Where it's like in the time that you've spent on the phone with me verifying Like what's going on here. I might already be in serious trouble I thought didn't you say that they have the capacity to call them and they can call you like they Probably do both. I thought it was that they called you first and then they call the police, right? Isn't that I thought from what he said that say for example You're being chased around the house by a murderer that they would call the police immediately that they wouldn't call to ask If they can call the police. I think that's what I got from what he said That's kind of interesting though. That means that they have cameras on you at all times, right? I don't know. It's probably I think it's probably to limit the amount of unnecessary calls to the authorities That's probably with someone calls you to check and make sure that like it's actually a thing and then based on the response They will call the police for you I'd assume that the Cameras on at all times is with professional monitoring where you've actually got people on the other end looking at what's happening And you can tell them to stop There was that other south park episode about the tsa the toilet safety like administration Where there's the dude with all of the cameras Look at everything Simpsons already did in the middle of a big room with a bunch of scott knows that south park already did it south park's old enough That they can take that meme Everything first everything characters simpsons is the first one And so many great things happen. You just see homo simpson there You see jay. I thought the joke you were gonna make was wow you can pay for a service with and then you could Know like you can contact the authorities. Wow. I wish my wish my phone could do that Yeah, that is the joke. I was gonna make and then for you made his point. I was like, yeah I feel like my time has sailed Your time has sailed Your time has sailed A little clock on the water It's been fun, but I gotta go on my own adventure. I gotta embark Upon the journey Oh and then you ask the clock, where will you go and the clock's like you mean When will I go? And then he's Now and then he's not a whale eats it and it's like, oh It's much more it's wailed Winning professional monitoring for less money than most professional alarm companies You and your loved ones can rest easy knowing that ring alarm is helping to protect your home Get protection and peace of mind with ring. You know, my family relies on ring alarm I'm always concerned about security and ring alarm makes me feel so much more secure I know it's going. Oh, I got him Ah They needed to put the little metal gear solid exclamation mark on his head Ultra bright led floodlights hd cameras and two-way talk Whoa, so you could be like, excuse me, sir. What are you doing? You're like Well, I feel like You're walking outside someone's house and then Ben Shapiro's voice just comes across What are you doing? What are you doing? I'll have you know, my wife is a doctor I see that you have a dog, but that's not I think you're scoping my place out. Is that what you're doing? No, I haven't talked about that If I was a burglar and I was trying to break into someone's house and then I was threatened in Ben Shapiro's voice I would leave No, what ah god damn there's so many memes It should be the ad for the house that uh, professor freak made If it's the next day, you're in the house Get up and run down the street. Oh, yeah, that shit was fucking hilarious This is just crash through and fall on It crashes and then all of the and then they've got the little dolls on fire pull out He's like the people won't people the people won't burn cried as quickly The concept that the safety your house will lift itself from his foundations and run Oh As tends to be the case with a lot of simpsons gag something just bursts into flames for no reason I don't know how the part where it's like It should have the thing as well We're like Bart throws the rock at the house and then lasers just pop out and like Then then the house next to it, uh, runs away. Yes Oh that jokes are fucking good and then it falls down and explodes Like the rock is taken care of and yet it feels the need to get up and run He does the exact same thing the model did God that's so fucking good. It's a great classic simpsons, man Doesn't a burning man fall out as well or did I imagine that but I don't I don't remember I don't think they have the people running out on fire. I don't think they do that Property at all times kind of thing you'd remember I don't think they do it. That's why I don't remember and all this craziness I could see why with all these houses getting up and run away. You don't not remember the Hideously stupid security system, but I love it. It's fucking hilarious The man I've known before but it's true ring not like this ring seems to be pretty good From what I can see. Yeah, well has that award winning alarm go to ring dot com forward slash ben ship hero It's get a great deal on a ring alarm home security if it offered his voice as an ai for the system that Complete it. Oh my god. Yeah. How was your day? Welcome that meme definitely exists with like alexa. Hang on. Let me detect it Someone's definitely made it Your house It would set off an alarm whenever an intruder was in it and we'd just go I do like that We've spent more time talking about ring than we have about like the We get a lot of stuff out of the ass people spend more time talking about ring than the characters in this film No, I'm saying that he yeah, like Please him or run away from them But I want to hear him do a rage hat elections read though Well, the what bench appear one of the most ambitious My favorite Glormack the orc and the best part has a hammer Wait, no, but he wouldn't like that and the best part it's free Oh, he wouldn't like that. He wouldn't like that Wouldn't he what are you trying to I mean, I'm not sure what bench appears opinion on uh Microtransactions with free to play game handouts, you know I don't know. I don't know how he sees maybe I think you probably consider a respectable business model, right to uh, maybe yeah Well, because he would know no, he would know by the fact that promoting it that it was It's a hyper successful game that's making a shit ton of money, but it's free So even he would be like wait a minute. How are they doing? I use great shadow legends to protect my family and you shouldn't Do I summon my favorite character. I don't know what the character's names are in that Chat we're not talking about a big jewish. We're talking about being capitalist that he would want the product rain shady lemons He's a capital jew I I think I would understand someone who's like hyper capital has been like a free to play game What but I'm just once they understand the business model. They'd be like, oh, okay He's a lot a big part of his job is sharing his opinions on matters of economics Maybe he has explained his um his approval or disapproval of of uh ray shadow legends. I don't know It comes out with a specifically ray shadow legends Okay today, that's ring.com forward slash ben Shapiro I've played it. It's right. Oh, pay to win. I recall So this is weird. We did the good the biggest problem the plot Yeah I feel I'm fairly sure his review is just a stream of consciousness And then his editor has to make something go here and out of it, right? I hope his editor pays a lot I think you're probably right make sense that I've been Shapiro's on movies So here is the actual plot of the film batman has only been batman for a couple of years So he's not really good at batmaning yet and he is tracking down criminals And he gets drawn into a plot by the riddler The riddler is giving clues so that batman can track down all the way through the system of gotham This city-wide corruption that apparently is going to bring down the entire superstructure of faith in the city I'm trying to think of superstructure of faith. Does he mean Yeah, the people's faith in the politicians and the systems that yeah, yeah Meanwhile, you have catwoman who salina cow played by zoey cravitz and zoey cravitz is Similarly engaged in an attempt to commit a robbery against one of these underworld figures But she's drawn into batman's orbit by a murder that both of them are investigating at at the same time the murder of her Roommate maybe something more going on there the riddler is correct again. All right Did he forget her name as he was talking there and try to avoid saying it her roommate No Investigating her murder. That's I thought he said he was called and then trailed off. Did I just completely imagine that? It was called her roommate. I didn't catch it. I don't I didn't hear that Maybe I'm going fucking man. Maybe you just hate Ben Shapiro so much Calm down j Stombs out First the main villain of the movie you see the penguin a fair bit Carmine falconi is is one of the big characters in the movie you get a little bit of alfred I like how many people still call him falconi falconi. The film was like falcon Let's get jim gordon whose main job in this film is apparently just to say jesus over in oregon christ It's course whenever something bad happens. He just goes jesus He does some other stuff, but okay, I guess I guess this is a joke Yeah, yeah Batman doesn't have anything to do in this movie Robert Patterson doesn't have anything to do as batman and commissioner gordon doesn't have anything to do besides saying jesus I've watched that film. He takes the name of the lord in vain, which I do not appreciate It was like six miles. He wouldn't think jesus is but jilby Does nothing except for we said basically stop batman from getting arrested a lot. That's that's pretty much all he does Um, I mean that that's not inconsequential to this story surely like that's a pretty important component And there's you know There's a there's a lot of character that would come as a result of Trying to prevent the police from getting to batman, right? Bad detective. He doesn't do anything But It's it's an interesting play because it's like i'm supposed to believe he's a bad detective gets punched by batman A good detective would never get punched by batman. So Uh, I guess so like is he a bad detective? It's like well He relies on batman for a lot of the progression of the of the events for the for the crime Um, I don't think we have enough to say he's a bad detective. Just kind of a neutral one He is a bad detective. I think you could argue that. I think that's fair to argue. Um, because there's a lot of pros and cons to it I I don't know what jay just said because I think I just talked over it, but but but but I but I said it makes sense that batman is in these in the it is flawed Now we just completely lost my train of thought Because you should have played elton ring today. You I think he said nothing about how the he was directly addressed Yes, he was directly addressed by the riddler. So commissioner He's not commissioner yet. He's like lieutenant or something He's so little g and gets them in there because there's he's addressed to him. So it makes sense that he's in there Um, I still even at that point I would still argue that just because of a crazy person has directed a particular person doesn't mean you bring them onto the crime scene I mean, yeah, sure. Sure. I think that uh, they would open it first Um and look at it all and stuff and then ask if they can get their hands on batman be like, does this mean anything to you? Does that also um bring Compromise the riddlers character because there's no reason that riddler would assume that batman would be the Would even see the messages that he sent So I would move to say that the riddler is aware of batman's cooperation with the police And thus he can rely on that that creates the other side of the problem where I don't believe riddler would think batman is his inspiration if he is working with Almost all of the corruption that riddlers concerned with a lot of it is the police in the film The plot is that all these people get killed batman uncovers it He realizes that his dad was corrupt also or that his dad engaged in corruption with carmine falconi Finally, we get to the end. Paul Dano does the it's such a rip off of seven. He gives himself up He doesn't get captured by that's not a ripoff of seven I haven't even seen like you're neglecting a significant amount of information. I don't like it. Well, yeah Why isn't dark night then you fucking joker gave himself like you could be like he didn't give himself up He got captured. It's like that was on purpose. He wanted to be captured. However, you see moller. Have you considered moller? However, that Christopher Nolan batman movies are the gold standard of superhero movies Well, then therefore what you said isn't valid. So this is pretty good, right? Because if they're the gold standard That man a Christopher Nolan movie, I don't think so you have to be more specific than he got himself captured on purpose There has to be more than that This is definitely a stream of consciousness thing because he's getting a lot of wired A lot of wires crossed throughout this whole thing like clearly this movie takes a lot of inspiration from seven Especially aesthetically and so he goes oh well the killer wanted to be captured and it's a detective story So therefore this is a ripoff of seven Instead of acknowledging that the killer wanted to be captured as a trope that's in a ton of things at this point Yeah, and and so man. Is it reminiscent of another era of talking about a Really grounded superhero going on quote movie being a film that copied another one Discourse is always so very engaging By batman batman does not prevent a single one of these deaths Batman in fact is complicit in one of the deaths by accident and he doesn't complicit by accident Wait, which one i'm trying to think of which one he's talking about complicit by accident one of the deaths Um, oh, I guess he's probably talking about talcone since he like brings them out. Ah come in That is not complicit I'm just thinking that's probably what he's talking about. What about if he's talking about What if he's talking about when he dodges the gun to a And has it go into another guy? I don't think so because he hasn't gotten to that part of the story yet And that's like one of the that's not one of the riddlers murders and I think that's what panis is describing here Okay, in that case I I do not know how you could frame falcones Killing like that. That's that's amazing. Yeah Can you be complicit by accident? Is he somehow referring to onica's death somehow twisting it around I don't know. Uh, oh some people saying the da maybe Um, I feel like he puts all the effort it gives all the answers to the riddles life hardcore And nothing about that is his fault directly and you can argue That um, he didn't like do He he wanted you could argue why he wanted the uh, the the rats named to be named Wasn't to save the da but ultimately All the effects are the same like he just definitely doesn't want to be complicit in the da's murder Yeah That's yeah, that's a strange one Well, some people say in the car chase. I I don't But no one directly dies in that that would be we are shown. Yeah, it'd be weird to say that We know people died in it probably but I think he's talking about falcon. I think that's what he's talking about I think he might be right about it. You might be right That is I think that's the best guess. Yeah It's the shot with carmine falconi Finally, we get to the end paul dano does the it's such a ripoff of seven. He gives himself up He doesn't get captured by batman. You know what look at the way that's edited It looks like he would have continued on exactly how it's a ripoff But then the editors cut it out Look at where this goes Engaged in corruption with carmine falconi. Finally we get to the end paul dano does the It's such a ripoff of seven. He gives himself up. Oh, yeah, like He did the whole explanation ended it with it's such a ripoff of seven and all that middle stuff got totally cut out Yeah, and after it his hands are up and then we cut to another shot and they're down and he's talking about someone else It's just like, hmm. I wonder what he would have said Someone in chat suggested that he said another racial slur. Oh gosh darn it, Ben Oh, yeah, probably directed at catwoman. That's probably and it's if he said that like him giving himself up Doesn't seem to make a ton of sense, you know, then then there's something we can talk about But it just being a ripoff of seven is not really a criticism because what if his reasoning for giving himself up was actually really strong? like Well on a thing that now Famous example I've seen started a couple times. There's a lot of the star wars tracks Are inspired by many other tracks that are quite similar if you listen to them by from john williams Like you're talking about music Yeah, and if someone said, I know he just ripped it off. He'd be like, okay We're gonna have to talk about the difference between a ripoff and an inspired work. I suppose. Yeah Yeah, it's difficult to listen to mars the bringer of war and not think oh, this is proto star wars The second best of the planets by holst What's the first obviously being jupiter and you're wrong if you think otherwise Remember people Hidden cuts through Saturn is good though. I like Saturn I think he's a cool guy. Yeah He doesn't get captured by batman Batman does not prevent a single one of these deaths Batman in fact is complicit in one of the deaths by accident and he doesn't actually capture also Yeah, to your question, right? I thought it was an interesting thought. Can you be complicit by accident? Um, I guess I'd have to look at what complicit means I'm not sure I might be confusing it with a different word or concept But I think to complicit you have to be aware of it. I thought that was a fringy complicit You're a lawyer Tell us what in your professional law opinion. What do you have to be complicit by accident? Was your reaction about saying that you're not a lawyer? Yeah, I have to hit it wrong I mean I can complicit involved with others in an illegal activity or wrongdoing Like so I yeah, I think you could be accidentally involved with others in an illegal activity I don't know that I don't know that like complicit is the word to describe it though. You know Yeah, because if you're accidentally helpful to a crime then like what would they prosecute you for unless it's But that would be like negligence or something like that. That wouldn't be I mean implicit in a crime, right? If someone if someone's like, hey, I'm I need you to take this Hey, you're going to taking a trip from Fuck in The u.s. To canada can you take this little bag with you when you go, you know, don't look at it, please Give it to this man when you arrive his name is jumbo, you know, he's gonna be there waiting I feel like you're completely, you know, you might just be very trusting and if accidentally being complicit In a crime Uh, also some people say negligence negligence has like negligence has a more specific meaning like negligence would be That you that you did something where you ought to have known Better is I guess if you broadly describe it that way I yeah, like I feel like complicit is not the word that you would describe for like you brought somebody out You arrested them and then someone else shot them if you go Like the getaway vehicle are you knowing well You knew if if we're saying that complicit means you're involved in it I don't I wouldn't consider that to be involved in it. Like you you didn't do anything wrong You know it says involved with others in an activity that is unlawful of morally wrong So if that definition is trying to tell us they are involved in something Morally wrong from their PO like they're doing something morally wrong Which in the example of the getaway driver would be able you could definitely make that argument Someone who's like Hey, watch out and bumps into you. Well, you're in their way They fall over and then someone is able to execute them as a result of that when they were trying to It's like your complicit. It's like no that you Are you involved? It's like I suppose you are well I guess that's the thing is is that you have more specific terms that are going to describe more narrow So like negligence would be one thing and then there's like My brain's not working right now. Um complicit is like that's too vague. I think Or at least like I don't see how to I don't see how you would say that what happened with falcon was complicit Like I if that's what he means. Well, the fact he said accidentally complicit, right? It seems like he's Almost there with the word he wants You know, well unwittingly inadvertently these feel like better. Yeah, these feel like that's a better word Yeah, we know what he means. We know what he means. Yeah Because the point that he doesn't prevent any of the murders and he doesn't actually Well, what would you say he kind of doesn't solve the case in that the riddler gives himself up, you know As a point of I don't know if that's a criticism But it's definitely something I could see not liking that he doesn't actually solve the case or prevent the murders up until that point Also, I can understand that as perfect Crazy idea guys. Maybe he misspoke. Oh our conclusion. That's what it was Also, I actually didn't really care again that he had said it. I was more so interested in what does it mean to be complicit actually Yeah, like sometimes someone will say something and that starts a conversation within like among the group And then you'll every time this happens. There'll be like, you know, people in chat or whatever complaining guys It's actually not that important what, you know, the exact wording that this person used and we're like, no, we'll be on that now And yeah, I just I find some of this stuff interesting. Don't worry. You don't have to see it all as I hate Ben Shapiro I don't know why you would bring everything that way unless you felt pretty insecure about Ben Shapiro's Being attacked by us, which you don't have to worry about. I have agreed with him on many things so far crazy I just don't know that he's highlighted any criticism to the film I personally am here to attack Ben Shapiro See That's the only reason I came on e-fap. I'm masking the truth My first e-fap appearance. I was I was going one day I will get an opportunity one day Batman does not prevent a single one of these deaths Batman in fact is complicit in one of the deaths by accident And he doesn't actually capture the riddler because he's clever the riddler gives himself up by sitting at a diner and getting arrested then he Unleashes a bombing of Gotham that essentially causes the flooding of the city and Batman goes to the Madison Square Garden Where a mayoral event is now being held for oh man, but I blow it up the whole roof of gloss to get it there Why that was rough? No, that was rough You did the funny thing to me is like wouldn't you want to have the moment of the rifleman or all aiming and they're doing the Thing and then one of them like maybe looks back to get some ammo and Batman's just there and fucking punches him We don't even need a reason for how he got in that's just how Batman do He's been making sneaky appearances all movie and now it it I guess the time for sneakiness is past in his mind I just like to imagine like these people On the floor. It's like oh shit. There's water. Let's get out. Yeah, they finally get to a higher ground It's like, oh, thank god. We did it. It's like oh shit. There's glass Oh, the villains they're shooting out the windows above about I was like, yeah Villains you And like I I also don't really like that. He doesn't actually Catch the Riddler himself because the Riddler gives himself up, you know as far as a Conclusion to the mystery of trying to figure out who the Riddler is as far as the detective plot goes I also don't especially like that. It's not necessarily a problem It's not a flaw necessarily though, you know what I'm saying I think so I get you I get you the way the ban is framed it I can totally see someone taking issue with this but I would just break it down as to Maybe look for the elements of showing that Bruce does have an intellect and does use it I mean the fact that he solves basically 90% of the riddles on the spot. Yeah, he's clearly smart Yeah, he knows his stuff. He's not a dumb guy It's just a problem-solving brain very quick recall. He's just he's got a great brain Got a big old sexy slime brain It's a little lame Narratively that the Riddler just kind of like basically everything that happens after The Riddler giving himself up kind of it takes a turn away from what I really liked about the detective story in the beginning I've seen that take a lot of people pick on the third act. Um, I certainly do For the brand new mayor who is an uplifting black female who has no other story or backstory So she's really uninteresting. It starts to flood. I don't even necessarily disagree with that She's there to be good. Yeah, that's it. That's that's that's why she's there. She's there to be good Yeah, I think the film would probably be better though. She had a few like problems maybe Because then the Riddler's good I was gonna say I don't even need her to be flawed. I just I'd like to see more of her Maybe even believe a bit in her to be like no that they're coming to kill her sort of thing Yeah Yeah, there's just nothing about her that I She has that scene in the very beginning where she's you know, she's critiquing the current mayor or the incumbent mayor And but we don't really get to see that she's actually not corrupt herself or that she is corrupt herself We don't really get to see a corrupt person could say the same things and exactly mate. So yeah Yeah, some more meat on the bones as far as her character would be nice But then again, it all it already is a very very long movie And so one wonders, you know what you have to sacrifice in terms of telling I feel like there are things we can cut. Um, I agree. I agree. I'm just There does get a point where like you can't flesh out everyone as much as maybe we would like to you know Though I think it's worthwhile for her to get a bit more flesh because uh, you know the ending in a in a sense It was we were all trying to stop them from killing her and the people around her Yeah, I mean Is it fine that can't can it not just be that we're trying to Reinvested in batman trying to stop the slaughter of innocents like is that not an well I I guess I'm not arguing it strictly A better choice storytelling wise I'm saying I think it would be preferable because of the fact that a lot of weight is pressed on her And she's representative of the the Gotham turning in new leaf to say like I guess I'll tell you now that um, like if if she was a much bigger character in the story my take would be Um, the plot armor becomes worse when she gets shot and and all those guys are shooting there and she's I think it's equally as bad for someone to not Be that there is just because someone has more screen time. They're not dying From a bullshit. Yeah, or not being shot. You know, it's the same level of plot armor But I think I agree that you you'd find it more impactful as a like save is it because you don't really know her versus She's like a main character. Yeah, and instead of like oh an extra in the background I was gonna say to her through you Consequentially the same thing happens right if you get to know her as a person better It doesn't change how much it changes the world if she dies from the many many shots There's also the fact that the riddler like targeting her it's like a bizarre turn in his character in general So like the whole That's how I feel fine. Yeah And up on top in the wings are a bunch of paul dano's followers our bunch of the riddlers followers Who are all dressed like the riddler and they are shooting down Into the crowd to try and kill members of the elite in gotham city You know, just random thought you know, they're all on those things so the batman can push them off and they don't die Imagine they just like got back up. They like started climbing up little things. Yeah I was thinking that they were just sort of dangling there, but surely there's a way for them to use like their arms legs maybe to Crawl back Did they all drop their guns when they got when they fell off? I think I don't know follow them They don't have side arms. You think maybe I don't know maybe maybe not If they're dangling like something like from there like if the Unless they've wrapped themselves around their own tether. I wonder how what their ability to be Uh to reach back would be like I guess it would be dependent on the person, right? So some of them would be in better shape. Yeah, you need more flexible than others Also, here's the question, right? You're if you're setting yourself up and you are the one guy who didn't bring the the hook and you're like Oh, shit. Yeah, I didn't get to bring that and then the one's like, oh, you can borrow my one of my spades Like, okay, cool. So the idea here is that in case we fall off Then what happens and he's like, we won't die. It's like, yeah, but who saves us. He's like theoretically the police Then you go to jail Maybe they expected to save each other because only one would fall off at a time. Maybe that's it That's really sorry. It's very strange I would have loved the shot if like one of them has his gun and he's just dangling there And he's still shooting at people like it didn't actually See him at all And Batman's like, fuck's sake like I'm gonna have to do something about that I guess that could have been the plan to just like jump off the thing and still get It still sort of keep shooting when no one can actually get to them because they're just tangling from from the ceiling And you have to like because it's so long. You're like, I will cut this. I will stop shooting. You're like, no I mean, I imagine it be throw things at you but you never know You don't kill people Batman You won't cut it You won't do it. I've read the comics Batman And so Batman goes up there and he's beating people up There comes a point where he's beating this guy and he's really like maybe beating him almost to death And he stops and they take off that guy's mask and they say who are you and the guy says I am vengeance Okay, now this is the theme throughout the film. Why didn't you take so in order? Oh, no Why'd you do it like that with the Themes beam Because that's that's just he gets the way that Ben's he doesn't express us himself It's through don't let your themes be memes. All right. It seems like he doesn't My own book Impression from that is that he finds themes kind of, you know, eh fine sort of things which Hey, look, yes, you cannot value themes. Yeah I would assume he was talking about the theme of this movie in particular Not that themes in general are maybe dismissed. I don't know. I got an impression there that he's like Yeah, let's talk about the theme like it because that would have but which is interesting because um I'm pretty sure his whole point is about how much he hates the theme in this film Yeah, I don't think he's I don't think he's disparaging the idea of like themes and metaphor and all that sort of specifically this one. Yeah This is a problem you have to now understand the character of the riddler So it says right at the beginning of the movie who is Batman. I'm vengeance, right? He's just on the streets and he's beating people up I'm vengeance and then people keep calling him mr. Vengeance for no apparent reason Like we don't know why there's no reason. He calls himself vengeance. He says I am vengeance He showed the cliff. His name was vengeance wane Do you think Ben Shapiro just goes around thinking why don't people call me Ben Shapiro? They keep calling me the Ben Shapiro show Mr. Ben Shapiro If I'm if we're trying to steal man him does he mean that like it's weird that everyone else calls him vengeance when Like does he always call himself vengeance or did he only call himself vengeance? Well, I think that's implication, right? Yeah, is the question like why the fuck aren't they calling him Batman? I don't know Yeah It's just yeah, it's just some people in some places are calling him vengeance Mr. Vengeance he must he must say it enough that it's uh I think it's Batman, you know he takes himself very seriously and some people are just gonna make fun of him like that's I think that's what it's gonna happen How would penguin and cat woman know that when he beats someone in the subway? So the implication is that he's probably said this more than once. I think yeah. Yeah I feel like he's almost certainly said it more than once He's come across a lot of terrified criminals who are like why the fuck are you doing this? Who are you? I'm vengeance. I'm glad you asked Actually, I'm glad you asked Okay, give me one second He's he's down to one You got one criminal left. He's about to be him to talk about he's like god. Do you want to say anything? Do you know what I am? Yeah, you're the Batman. No, no, no I mean like what else am I someone in chat says I'm vengeance and I'm rags Well, there's always a thematic component to it Which is to say like nobody like the fact that more people refer to him as vengeance Than Batman is kind of like a subtle way to show that he is he is not doing he is not portraying himself in the way That he should that he should be that people are not associating the the proper identity Yeah, they're not they're not calling him justice Yeah, exactly Hold this for justice I'm a big fan of just yay Hey Because he never actually publicly says he's vengeance. It's in his creepy diary He literally tells you you played the clip of it. You literally played the clip I don't care if it's the editor the video's position is now fucks That's the editor's fault. I guess that now it's incongru, but the editor knew He just seems to not be able to imagine that Batman actually says this quite a bit And his reputation has got around that's all you really okay. Well, I said it once to steal bad him He's probably thinking in his head. He's never announced himself as vengeance to the people or something like that But this is like a press conference. Yeah, but you would never he doesn't do that anyway, but like I think you have to assume that he does to film him saying it and then suddenly it's everywhere, right like I think the the based on how everyone interacts with him You just you just have to assume that he has said this a bunch of times, you know And what's the problem with that the video hates Ben should be Which again is supposed to be a mirror image of the fact that The riddler also keeps a zodiac killer style diary So they're supposed to be two halves of the same hole Batman is beating up this follow-up of the riddlers the same hole Oh, right. Oh Here we go What do you think is for a second there? I was like, yeah, he's good. He's onto something that like I said, I I really got that The pov shots of them them doing a creep on on the buildings, you know It takes off his mask and the guy says I'm vengeance and suddenly Batman sees Suddenly Batman realizes he can't be vengeance. That's not what he's meant to do. He's betrayed his mission And so he then descends on a Yeah, I'm doing a big people suss right now It's like it is This is the good way to carry out the mission Yeah, I'm not I I'm not waiting for the point because I'm already thinking about does he feel he's betrayed his mission? It's like, hmm But I think he's realized his methodology is flawed I don't yeah, I don't Seems Ben Shapiro doesn't think his methodology is flawed in this movie So when he like tries to mature and change from how he used to operate. He's like no, but you were fine the way you were Like that's how it seems. That's the vibe I'm getting Electrified cable because he's trying to stop people from being Electrocuted by this flying electrical wire and he cuts off the cable. He's holding on to it He falls down into the water he rebaptism He gets up and then he proceeds to lead a bunch of people who are not really trapped but Kind of trapped I suppose they're terrified is the point They're active gunmen in the situation Yeah, and they they see batman saying like come on. Let's go. We're gonna get your safety Like I think that it's important. They see that as opposed to just being like should we stay here water? Should we stay? Yeah That's fine though. I did have this same thought I Was like wait how is he saving them? They seem like they were actually fine where they were but then you know as I thought about it more I was gonna say I was gonna say it's perfectly in line with what the film is going for He's a beacon. He's a he's a symbol. It's not that he's actually done anything mechanically in that moment necessarily It's more so look at him. He's an idea. That's what you're saying. Yes He didn't clap before that though Okay And he leads them to I guess a safer place by carrying a torch and then he goes well, yes, they're under rubble in a place and Call it in America. No, no, no they don't I feel like it's the safest bet to get them out of there right now It's not a safe place. Okay. Yeah, I think that's fine. Come on It was up to the top of Madison Square Garden and he is Helping people be airlifted and evaced out medevaced out and this is how he has learned fulfillment What all right? Well, that's the end of that um Lian fulfillment, this is the thing is it's like I don't know it's more so he's he's been exposed to another portion of what he could be doing and clearly it's a good thing and something he should probably look into Yeah, believe me. He was getting fulfillment out of what he was doing. He was fucking passionately Beating the fuck out of people and being like they fear me at the expense of his real persona Yeah, but That's what I mean like I feel like this whole film's about there's more to it. Not that it's Exclusively bad what you're doing. Yeah, it doesn't berate him. It doesn't say like, oh batman, you're just shit and you're awful It's like consider this So Your methodology is flawed There'll be a great riddle of line right there That's an odd place to put like a weird title like it's separating it into chapters I feel like what he's about to say now hopeful Can it's just a continuation of what he was just saying, you know, I would go as far as saying This is why we're here. What's what he's about to say? All of it up to this point has been preamble and set into stage and giving an idea of what he's up to But this is it now. We got well Well, with that in mind pause a moment so I can use the loo because I don't want to miss the reason Why I'm here We intended to lower it up to Ben Shapiro videos today. We're only watching gonna be able to do the one Like this will take another half hour to an hour The that's just you'd never know with these things. I didn't think it would take us as long It's very dense and we went on a lot of tangents. So how long have we been going? Wait, it's a three hours We could No, we we definitely could but the thing is I would rather get the super chest red Because there's a lot that have come in that I want to make sure because like we keep stacking them up Unfortunately because the timer keeps running out. So I would uh, I'm just yeah Well, the thing is his rise of Skywalker review. That's just memes for another day everybody All right, do you know disagreements everybody's every's on board Yep Nolan handled these ideas much better. I Don't I'd have to rewash them to see about I feel like he handled different ideas differently. I think so. Yeah I just watched the bat. I just watched Batman Begins like two days ago or something like that It's a very different movie. I don't feel like they're exploring the same ideas Really, I mean, there's some, you know fear plays a big role in Batman begins But I you know, it's it's a weird apples to oranges comparison in terms of the themes or the messages of the movie I thought someone was saying that uh Bench pair doesn't normally review movies is not a movie review primarily now I didn't he does quite a bit well, so I uh, I didn't know that Bench pair played violin, but I did know that he He wanted to be a screenwriter, right? That was like what he did before he did the politics. Oh god Well, he wrote fiction from what I understand. Well, I don't know. Has he written a film Doesn't even I know that he's I know that he's written a fiction novel. I guess it's just I I wouldn't say that it's like this is a topic that I should expect zero familiarity with at all, right? Like movies and storytelling I would also argue that the main reason that I was more interested in this wasn't because I expect a meme explosion More so because I'd like to hear someone argue that the film was terrible and that the reason being it hates Batman That's interesting to me. I want to see what your references are Um, yeah, if you said yeah, but this person's literally this is the first video they've ever done and it's the first movie They've ever watched. I'd be like, that's fine. I'll see what they say Well, of course, you're allowed to talk about you don't have to have watched a million films The first film you've watched you're allowed to talk about what you thought about that first film Exactly. Um, I think I've said before in any fabulous someone who's never seen a film before It would be pretty fascinating to hear their review of like Anything they ever watch. Yeah I would love to If like get a time machine and abduct gently someone from the past abduct gently and bring and bring them to the future And just like show them a motion picture Yeah, it'd be really cool. Um From different eras like take take some ancient egyptian Say like take a break from the pyramids nephru's got enough dudes Let's go and then and and that you have to learn Ancient egyptian which luckily you still can cop tick egyptian We know how it's pronounced and then we we we grab it and then we bring it Bring him back bring it. It's a person him. It'll be a him because he's working on the pyramids So we grab him and then we bring him here and then we're like, hey, don't worry about it. Um And uh, my manoeuvresus brother and this is watch this tell me what you think and get his movie again Yeah, what movie? Ooh cleopatra. Nah I don't I don't know. That's a good question. I don't I don't want to jump to an answer quite yet. I I would use death to smoochy That's what I do. No, let's not let no, no Um, and then we get someone from like a different time period. Maybe like the renaissance, right? We bring them in the renaissance men are coming. Yeah Yeah Then we get someone from like 1920s 1910s the infancy of movies And then we bring one of them and get their opinion on a modern movie Show them all rise of skywalker. We don't want to tell them the future. We don't want them to think the future is hopeless Why would we lie to them? Oh, no So it's a tva, but it's just rags showing ancient people movies we imagine like How because if someone said like, oh, maybe something like the lying case like Can you imagine them watching the lying king? They should be like, what the f Here's the thing. I would like to know What hitler's opinion of the rise of skywalk would be absolutely That would be amazing. It was so funny hitler if you're hitler if you're watching send us an email I will get you on dude. It would be so great if his initial reaction was just what the fuck was that? Like, oh my god, hitler was why are you so confused, buddy? It makes sense He's just like he just wishes he won even more We could have stopped that movie. We would have stopped this. We only further convince him that of his conviction Well, the best part is he would have zero context for what star wars is and that would be his first experience Potentially with science fiction in general the rise of skywalker First reaction he has is I can't believe that they brawl back palpatine. It's unbelievable Oh, it's someone has a chat hitler was a big fan of westerns. He was vaporized I've watched it with my knowledge I was there on opening day in Argentina. I saw it. I would like to show hitler ironsky. That would be fun Oh, yeah, I haven't yeah, maybe Maybe like he loves wolfenstein Wait rags. Have you seen ironsky? No, I know of it I've I've seen it It's worth watching and there's an ironsky, too Isn't there where they go to the center of the earth with dinosaurs? Is that out? I don't know if it's out. I just saw like the trailer for like 10 years or something. Yeah I don't know. I want to watch that if it's out Make him watch jojo rabbit. That'll be interesting wouldn't it? Oh, that would be interesting He'd like the first part more than the last Maybe we could just stop at the scene in the middle and then just tell him that's the whole thing And then he'd really like it. It is it came out in 2019. It's out. I'm gonna fucking watch this film Ah, I'm really excited for this I'm glad that's great So anyway, I really like the first ironsky film. I look that's gonna be great. You've got movies from what you've mentioned of it Oh my god, the second one is called the coming race the coming race the coming race Ironsky the coming race that film was built for you. Do you win? Do you normally win the coming race when? I whenever whenever coming is involved. I win Yeah, and this is how he has learned the film. Oh, right. This is you. What's it about? So what is this movie about this movie is about how Fighting criminality does not actually help innocent people. He says this at the very beginning. He says, I'm not sure I'm doing I don't think that that's what they're trying to say. I don't think yeah That is I think that is a very that is not a No, that's not what they're trying to say because batman they never say batman is going to stop fighting crime and start Like he's just going to get a volunteer job at the salvation army down the street at sixth main They definitely don't say that And maybe what it is saying is that there's more to it than punching criminals in the face and that that's not on its own That's not actually going to solve the problem His citation is a piece of dialogue of I'm not sure Yeah, exactly. Yeah Like the film is raising the question. I feel I don't I don't think the film concludes Yes fighting crime is bad By fighting the criminals crime is still up. It turns out that batman has to stop being batman No The only way that I feel like this would be proven correct is if in the next film there's no batman It's only Bruce Wayne. It's like What unless they just call it the bruce the bruce I mean, we've not had a film called Bruce Wayne yet, you know, maybe maybe that's what they're working through Maybe maybe they're gonna really do something bold But like I feel like I feel like he would be if if the next film was like just batman like Saving people from burning buildings and he never actually like punches a criminal or whatever, right? Then I feel like he would be proven right, but I sincerely doubt that's what we're in for Yeah, I think the film would have said I think the film would have done something completely different if that was the angle they were going for It's way too nuanced for because saying you should stop being batman is a very extreme position to take And it's not one that I think this rather Uh nuanced sort of outlook on what batman should be doing would lead us to that conclusion Been missing it the whole time What batman really has to be a superman batman needs to go into areas like Madison Square Garden and not fight the criminals He needs to go and lead people with a torch But he does Very important part of what he did in that came from finding the criminal saved Gotham like why would you think the film thinks that's a bad thing that he did The film was like I like what what a weird rating of the film that it's saying, you know what fighting criminals in general Is No, no, no batman and superman they do have a lot in common ben like that's not exactly a revelation you've just had it's Very strange like like the whole climax. He's he's beating the fuck out of people to save lives I don't I don't think the the film then is like, oh, but that was a mistake Like no, no, no people as well Like yeah, I don't I don't get it. I just don't understand it Slightly safer area. He needs to help medevac people on the top of the he needs to build habitat Okay, so uh, once we've done the whole beat people up and stop the deaths Then we have to deal with the wounded and the people who aren't safe That's not like he's describing this as though there was a way to medevac people out by beating criminals It's like no, that's that doesn't no Medevac out the criminals It doesn't line up. I I sort of think I think in our original discussion of the batman, but I think there's a reason People I think often gloss over it because it said so much about him But the fact that batman is called the dark knight Is almost like a contradiction And I think there's there's an aspect of duality in that you have to be You super tough and you have to instill fear in criminals and there is that element of Yeah, edge but in a good way and then there is also the the nightly aspect of protecting the innocent and Yeah, that sort of thing and both of those things need to exist together in healthy measure I think you're absolutely right that um a knight is often thought of as as that ideal Also, why is he called the dark knight? Well, it's because he's a little bit unconventional But he's still got a lot of qualities you expect to be in a knight Like yeah making someone to say see when they need it Does he think he should have beat up all the bad guys and then left all everyone else dealt with the aftermath? So what is that what he wanted to happen? I don't I don't how you come I don't see how you can argue this is really What he's done would you want him to be like superman and batman be superman where he just leaves? I'm thinking loads. This is a thing read a comic rags. It's a play on words. So They agree with you and they don't even know yeah Like they you should you should have said nothing because if that's true Because if that's true, I made your comic better by giving it that double meaning not Knight sounds like knight It's that's a very astute observation um But yeah, I had a feeling I had a feeling some people might listen to what you said and think you're critical of it I was like, no, I'm not being critical. That's a That's what I mean. I'm just like, how did they do it? How? He's they did it. He's saying there's a lot of depth to the title the dark knight. That's not a criticism It's and it's prompted by you going wait a minute. It's not deep rags. It sounds like knight Okay Yeah, I think it was as simple for ben is seeing the beating up of criminals and then He has his baptism right which means everything going from there is the correct thing to do Everything before it was not He's a changed even though I seriously fucking doubt that batman regrets his decision to save everyone's lives from the rifleman I I do not think that is the right with that one. I think he's gonna sleep all right at night All right. Yeah today. I don't know why he would think That considering like do you think the police? Think that they're doing the wrong thing by trying to take down bad guys in this movie because they're doing it too Like if you wanted to be more specific and he's like, no, just vigilantism is is the problem I'd be like, well, there's a discussion to be had there too, isn't there? But um, yeah, I'm getting the distinct impression that he thinks the movie's message is the because he's treating that thing as a baptism I I could understand connecting the imagery, but that doesn't mean everything before it was wrong and evil Yeah That for humanity. He's going to me. Yes Think harder and build houses for homeless people. That's what batman needs to be doing. This really is a I mean Which wouldn't be well, I mean Most typically does do Yeah, that's what you want ben. You were talking about in the beginning. You said you wanted more of that. You'll get it That's what this film is arguing. He's learned about is this probably a good idea there He seems to think that the lesson of the movie is that he should stop fighting criminals and only go build houses And it's like what movie did you watch only go? Yeah, yeah Why are the beds on the ceiling? That's not how normal people sleep This is kind of like saying we have the army. Why do we need the police? Like it's a multi-tiered thing, you know, it's not as simple as one thing of the other Uh, that's a you just remind me by the way, right? I was saying that um in batman robbing so skipping around I don't know if we ever talked about it. We watched the um Yeah, the gold standard for sure But when mr. Freeze hits him and he falls off their little like place with the telescope Batman like flips as he falls and he gets his legs in the bottom of it It's really fucking weirdly edited and um, it it like clamps in in a sense, right? Like the feet have hooked in on some metal stuff so he can hang there and um He like makes a conscious decision It happens in a couple of seconds to cross his arms as though to look more bat-like as he hangs upside down I remember seeing it and being like, why have I never thought about this before like that's just a strange thing to do Because that movie is a delicious buffet with many many things to pick up We were talking about the depth of like potential in in in the name batman robin's depth Infinite just infinite you can never reach the end of it is uncountable the depth it is It is 30 depth and yes And beyond he's sort of uncountable now I didn't expect Habitat for humanity needs to join jimmy carter and build houses for homeless people That's what batman needs to be doing. This really is a sort of attack on the idea that fighting crime helps innocent people It's an almost defund the But also like surely isn't is ben Shapiro not in favor of like philanthropy, wouldn't he like that? I don't even know He's not saying that he shouldn't do philanthropy. He's saying the movie is saying that that's all he should do It's not it isn't yeah So the read i'm starting to get on him is that he wants like the bruce wane component But he wants all the bruce wane stuff to be a front He wants even the philanthropy to be a front and the fact that genuinely looking at that I wouldn't say that I would I I think he thinks this movie said Oh, he shouldn't be beating up criminals anymore. He should just be doing philanthropy and stuff Which is not in the movie and clearly I think Good, why would he why would batman be in his suit at the end of the film if he has come to the conclusion that like Batman as an idea is terrible. Yeah I honestly as batman I think he sees that as just well because he was wearing it before it's like no no That's consciously the film trying to act as being like look He is batman and he's inspiring and helpful to these Yeah, that's You know good old-fashioned That's mario's trying to be like look look look i'm trying to tell you something with this and he's just like What do you mean? He's just wearing this suit because he's wearing it over here It is it is so incredibly Straightforward there's a reason why we got batman in the costume in the daylight with the rising sun In the background news cameras looking at him with him. Yeah being grabbed while he's in the saying like the batman is like Helping people it's not meant to be I Well, it could end the end of the movie they could have very well shown him Fucking off as batman and then shown bruce wane as bruce wane Doing all of the things that the film maybe thinks he should do but they don't they very consciously have him being batman Yeah, like it's exactly why why would they not end the film with him like take it off the mask and the costume and like Burning it or something and he believed that like being batman. It's clearly It is so obvious That the point is the batman needs to be a symbol for hope rather than just fear That I do not understand how you could come to the conclusion That it's saying batman in general is a terrible idea I don't know why in the world it is it is Man like I don't understand it Very bad absorption of the material. I don't know what Yeah, because the material is just very this is a couple lot of this questions that you guys ask him that would poke Real big holes because it yeah, and it would be curious to see how he would react to this like uh Because these questions I feel it would be easy to convince if you just explained what actually happens in the movie Yeah, it could be as simple as he goes. Well, that's not what I got from it You might have just like literally not Remembered or I don't even know it's tough to say like I said, I think he doesn't Uh He hasn't thought about the the batman suit being in the end being worn while helping people as anything Significant I think he just sees that as a result of what he was wearing it before he's wearing it now Any other protect his identity, you know when I think that like It's pretty clear that when he's he's grabbed by that girl That that I think that's like one of the biggest points the whole film is making in that moment there That's like one of the most important things that happens in the whole movie Yeah It could have shown him as Bruce Wayne in the end and they showed him as batman at the end And I think that is saying everything they want to say No, I'm just remembering another thing Why would Selena say that like the city is going to kill you if he thinks that it's just going to be bruce Chill it out and then doing like philanthropy Like how does he how does he view that final scene through the lens of this is the last time that we're ever going to see Bruce Wayne in that suit I don't understand Maybe that's a good question. Yes, he's going to carry on being batman, but this film is saying he shouldn't But it's not maybe Yes, I'll continue being batman, but this film is saying that batman should be a guy who just goes out and air drops people out of danger or whatever I guess maybe maybe lifts air drops will be if he was putting them into danger Going around and air dropping people into dangerous situations Police attitude toward what crime is and it's an attack on the basic idea that individuals are capable of doing justice By finding bad guys and fighting them instead apparently individuals are only capable of doing nice things by helping little old ladies cross the street Um, what movie did you watch ben? What? What a take what a take the chat is full of people asking for kadelp Um, uh, I will sort it out. Don't worry. Um The the because there's a couple I've missed at this point So I decided I completely forgot to write them down. And so now I'm like I'm just going to listen back through this thing and and grab them So don't worry No, just wants an excuse to watch more Ben Shapiro movie opinions. Yeah Oh, was there anything else you anyone want to say about the thing? I'll should I roll it back? Yeah played again. Uh played again for me here That's what batman needs to be doing. This really is a sort of attack on the idea that fighting crime helps innocent people It's an almost defund the police attitude toward what crime is And it's an attack on the basic idea that individuals are capable of doing justice by finding bad guys and fighting them Instead, apparently individuals are only capable of doing nice things by helping little old ladies cross the street. Oh my god That's not in the movie I mean the film goes out of its way to say no, there are good cops empower them Yeah, I mean The line from the film you're a good cop gordon Yeah, yeah, you have him saying you're a good cop We have we have the element at the end like it looks like we're not all corrupt and there's a bunch of cops It's a very this is not an anti-police movie. It's an anti-corruption movie Wherever that corruption comes from be it crime lords institutions and the police it it's anti-corruption It's too good. Why are you have that's a that should be a very uniting message Yeah, you would think so He saw the part where batman beats up that that shooter And they have to like stop him from going too far and it's like he interpreted it to mean that he shouldn't Beat up the criminals at all or something When it was weird man, like if he would just chat with me in real life And he's like this film didn't even encourage people to become vigilantes. I'd be like, um I mean There's a there's a few things to break down there Probably shouldn't man, but at the same time. I don't think it really was critical of batman. It's just as a whole I just don't think so You know, it's about the focus on where that energy is going It's about family. Um, it's it's about because you know the idea is that it shouldn't Be about the criminal beatings on their own It should be beating criminals for the larger purpose of saving people And Yeah, yeah It's this sort of mentality that has led to new york turning into gotham city in the last couple of years, by the way What like anti vigilante We need more batman in new york You see they All the vigilantes in new york, so now it's gotham Oh, we forced them to become trying to get rid of all the vigilantes This this definitely feels to me like his oh definitely. Yeah Well, yeah, okay, so he at the start said yeah, it's not a problem of like it being too political or woke Do It Yeah, you'd think that he would consider this woke messaging, right? I don't know. I don't know It seems like he he kind of wildly interpreted the movie's take on batman's whole mo And then now it's sort of turning into like political at the end. Someone said you knew he was political like What if I told you everyone has so I was about to say everybody has a political leading Not fredrick Right, I forgot about fredrick When he says like there was no chemistry between catwoman and batman. It's like that's not political That's just him saying whether or not he thinks there was chemistry there. You know, it's mostly been a political Until What happened? Well, like when he said defund the police, it's many people in chat were like, oh braindra It's just like how people feel it's like it's like there's there's your your perspective has marred your That's what people would assume from this I don't like we already went over. It's like I just don't think that message is justified At all. I think he's ignoring a couple references to make it so that is the message Yeah They made Shapiro political Do you fundamental to the trail of what batman is what makes batman different from another and Wow, let's let's hear how is it? Let's well, I mean even if we've granted that everything that he said is true It depends on the interpretation Whether or not it's good or not Well, I'd like him to tell me what batman fundamentally is and then we can decide whether or not the uh the film betrays that the film Yeah Let's see what he says he's crossed the street It's this sort of mentality that has led to new york turning into gotham city in the last couple of years, by the way That's a fundamental betrayal of what batman is what makes batman different from the riddler And then any of these other criminals is these criminals target innocent people and batman targets criminals That's the basis of the character Target Not until the end For those of you who are just joining us for this we do have a previous EFAP where we talk about the batman and we we have some concerns about about riddlers consistency Shall I say but can I just point out by the way? I don't know that what they did means they should be fed to rats in the see they're not innocent Oh, well, they're not They're not innocent. They're not clean from having done anything in life But um, it's yeah, like it's not tantamount. Like we're saying riddler targets them Because of a reason not because like they're not just we're not targeting them indiscriminately. Yes. There you go. Yeah And they're not innocent, but his sort of weird extra Just so punishment is not yeah They've definitely broken the law with what they've done and there should be a punishment And amount to whatever their systems are in that world It's just that they've uh, they've gotten away with it and they've taken advantage of a lot of people to do so again, though Not looking to feed them to rats They're basis of the characters the cops are bad at targeting criminals because they're corrupt I mean But that doesn't mean as rag said that's about corruption though. Not that cops in general are corrupts. There's no point in even using Yes The yeah, the film never says cops are shit. The cops The film is very bad. It's funny because I was about to say Falcone is about to be put in prison by the cops So they're not exactly he's not even he's moved but then someone could someone could counter me and be like Yeah, well, why didn't penguin go to prison because they're corrupt? I'd be like no because that's just because the writer is fucked up The writer forgot to put him in prison The price of your guy More so they wanted him to not be in prison. So they just decided he wasn't yeah Yeah, because I want to do more stuff with him. Exactly, which is great. But I mean man Yeah And you can still do more stuff with him with him going to prison at the end of this story There's no reason that yeah, it's infinitely weird when you've got the film's like address all of this potential View in that series like it's all those cops. He's like I owe them. It's like all of them are here to get you like Oh, well, I guess they weren't as corrupt as you thought Falco to the bench feels like nice saying they're all corrupt Yeah, it has it's very much. It's it's gotta it's it's a more subtle Uh, like the the new yorkers on the subway and spider-man kind of vibe. Yeah, um It's And the reality is like several corrupt cops could be among that crowd The point is falcon is being taken to prison by all there isn't enough corruption to get him out of prison He can't like he he considers himself like the king of the city has won essentially he's immune to everything It's like not quite and this is the thing. We don't know what would have happened to him going forward We never will find out but uh, it was enough to get him arrested still pretty big Batman is good at targeting criminals because he's smart and because he's rich and because he's incorruptible That's the entire basis of batman and they take all that and they flip it on its head because they don't like batman Sorry I need to hear that one more time because that's I want to roll them back a little further just because this is the Almost the thesis right of the video of doing nice things by helping little old ladies cross the street It's this sort of mentality that has led to new york turning into gotham city in the last couple of years by the way That's a fundamental betrayal of what batman is what makes batman different from the riddler and then any of these other criminals Is these criminals target innocent people and batman targets criminals? That's the basis of the character the entire basis of the character is the cops are bad at targeting criminals because they're corrupt Batman is good at targeting criminals because he's smart and because he's rich and because he's incorruptible So what do you think of that? There is a lot more that you could latch on to fundamentally about who batman is that I think you could leave all of that out if you really wanted to Yeah, so we already did the the riddler batman thing. Um It does say that the point the point of batman is that he is incorruptible unlike the cops Which is an interpretation of batman. Yeah, that is what we commonly see There's a lot of stuff I Agree with with what he's saying there. It just feels like we're missing lots of other pieces as well as additional Elements of batman's character because I I like the idea is like why does batman get started? It's like well gotham is crime ridden and why is that happening? Well, because the police don't really police it as well as they should why because they're corrupt and they're in the pockets of falconi moroni all the All this I was like, so that's why I get started up. It's like, well, there's a lot of reasons why I get started up That's one of them Well, I say falconi because I'm pretty sure that's the general pronunciation if I'm talking about falcon specifically from this movie I'll say that Okay, I was great because I still I don't even know what's happening. He's called falconi in The nolan trilogy. He's called falcon in this one. So I Don't know which one is the general one, but uh Because in the riddler, wow say like what is what is an italian bird with wings? Hey falconi Instead of it, I don't know You tried What are you gonna say? That's what really matters. Oh no, it's it's gone now um But yeah, like that, you know, why why is what is the difference? Why is batman who he is why is brutal like it's just like there's gonna be a hell of a lot more than That but I agree that these are elements of it, but I'd now like to know Why well, I guess the reason why he thinks this has been betrayed is because the film thinks Fuck the police and fuck batman's attempts to beat crime you need to do philanthropy, which is like Okay, no No No, no, no, no, no No No No, no I mean now it goes as far as to say this film probably pissed off if you Defund the police people with the lines like you're a good cop gordon Yeah, I've looked like they're not all corrupt. Are they? Yeah, just this and yeah This is this definitely has a empower the good police message, which will upset some people I think you just you're just on point with the it's about corruption not the police family Yeah That's the entire basis of batman and they take all that and they flip it on its head because they don't like batman And this is why I have real problems with the movie. It's kind of hateable in this one But they still I think he's supposed to be incorruptible. Yeah And he's upset that batman didn't catch the riddler ultimately. Yeah, but that's what metal said Yeah, that man's great because he's incorruptible. It's like, oh, is he corrupted in this? Although the criticism was that he Is doing philanthropy now instead of beating up colonel subtle. That was the chief. Maybe he sees batman arcing as being corrupted bad Yeah Like the most you could get is that his principles were corrupted by other people who were imitators of him But that's not the same as batman himself being corrupted I don't understand them. Yeah The more I think about it the more I get angry at it because they take the fundamental idea of what batman is supposed to be A protector of the innocent who targets the criminal and they say that if he targets the criminal This makes him no different and criminal. No, no Also, that's in like that's in like all batman stories as well at some point Like what what separates him from them? Like that's an important element for any vigilante. Yeah Like there's no there's no there's nothing wrong with questioning that but at the same time this movie doesn't definitively claim like Oh, he's he's no different than the riddler crony. It's like no Correct. It's just a matter of uh, his messaging can be corrupted Yeah, he needs to be more responsible with his batmaning rather than the batmaning itself is bad And he just I mean the movie just wants wants him to think about What the difference is between him saying he's vengeance and the the riddler followers who also think that what they're enacting is also vengeance And so it poses the question for him Like oh, what is the difference really and he asks to think about that the movie isn't saying there's no difference The most important person who needs to know the difference is batman correct He's learning all about who he really is and who batman is Because paul dano, who's the riddler is also targeting criminals all the way up until the very end when they have to just sort of Add on this attack on madison square garden and new york broad rid for no reason He has no motivation for blowing up a bunch of trucks and flooding downtown like oh, wow I don't know if it goes far so he has no reason He doesn't have no reason. It's a bizarre weird. The reason is a contrary. It's inconsistent. Yeah, yeah So i'm with you there, but i'm gonna give him some room on this I've seen several reviews of this film. Many people don't know why riddler did any of that Um to be fair, that's the first question. I think I asked for him as well I think everybody agrees right the third act is the weakest part of the uh of the film Yeah It's just it is a strange thing that uh to have people questioning is like why did the villain do his climax? It's fine. I don't think Yes for no reason Say the People were very happy to hear that The clip I uploaded from this effect to my second channel of well I'm not from the effect I guess just from ben's video with the edit It's now my best performing second channel video of all time for his first two hours Wait, which one this one here on emperors. I posted in the chat. Yeah, okay. Nice. I mean, it's pretty funny You're not gonna lie and you I wasn't expecting just this 10 second clip of the ben Shapiro show to outperform any other video I've ever posted to that channel jay is learning all of the wrong lessons Yeah, one of the top comments does this lot it into the short set short section if it's so short It doesn't know I was always wondering how to work and and it has to be in vertical video to be a short. I think Okay, okay My my second channel is now gonna from now on become a ben Shapiro clips channel Yeah, but one of the top guys says you've outdone yourself jay. This is gold Could this could this be jay's greatest meme jay have you peaked now? I have that's it for you. I'm sorry. My my peak was a clip of ben Shapiro I'm proud of you None he doesn't explain why he does it Sorry Oh When they have to just sort of add on this attack on Madison Square Garden and new york broad ritt for no reason He has no motivation for blowing up a bunch of trucks and flooding downtown like none He doesn't explain why he does it, you know, he said he does but it sucks as an explanation. Yeah Wasn't the reasoning he wants to like restart to got them basically Yeah, but everyone gets blood but that wouldn't go to them and in he's a smart person He should know that just flooding everything doesn't wipe out corruption. That's fucking stupid If anything that seems well metaphorically effective, but that's about it Yeah Like like I was thinking about a rewatching it yesterday But a better resolution for him would have been if he was like getting all of his followers Like he's already getting them to put on the mask, but maybe now it's a mass Exodus of Gotham like it's a mass siege of Gotham with his Cronies like they're going after all the people in power I'm using the cronies and you don't need to flood the fucking city to do that. It's just very specifically They use no, yeah, well, how would you do it? Yeah, how would you do it? Yeah, tell us in detail how you would enact your yeah Problem with flooding the problem with flooding the city is it's not going to do anything people will just sell their homes and move Yeah Maybe that's how you're gonna do it. Everyone in Gotham moves. So there's no more people in Gotham Hmm. No more systems No more. Yeah, there's no people no system. No system. No problem No more super. I had to make the joke at some point You've made it several times. I have sorry. Which joke is that? Um, also, uh, I thought I was saving it. I'm sorry if I'm just Someone said I thought he said in his podcast that the corrupt elite would make sure they get into the shelter over the common people Thus putting all of his targets into one location. So the problem with that is that it's gonna absolutely include random civilians Yeah, um, so that and he should know that and so all it's gonna do is pack a whole bunch of people into an area And you just nondescript shoot them all including by the way children It is fucking insane that that is his plan. Yeah Yeah, that is a really interesting thing and all the commoners who don't get into the shelter if that's how it works They're just gonna be flooded Yeah, why are you okay with flooding? Gotham? Why is why do you want to do that? Yeah, like don't you live there? I guess because you're in prison now see Aren't you just on like the third floor though? So he'll be fine. Aren't you just harming all the people that you're doing this on behalf of? Isn't that like if you're if your target is the wealthy elite? I've got some news for you Uh, the penthouse is at the top floor if you're trying to Fuck sake. So we'll just set a response to that. Well Riddler is meant to be insane. So he's like, no It hurts my brain I will pull out the comment. I swear to god a fucking comment that perfectly explained why if this is retarded Where did I put it? There it is This is why that's a bad explanation here Are you gonna shoot one of us read it out or are you just gonna put it on screen? I don't know what's happening Yeah, um You did I can read it out if you want You crazy seems like you want. Yeah Yeah, crazy is not actually a loony tunes type thing There are people who have complete breaks from reality to an extent that it's new that it's nearly impossible from an outside viewer to understand What's going on in their heads or to figure out how they might react to anything or why Those people exist, but they are not functional They're unlikely to be able to take care of their basic needs even with an institution that provides them with food and beds and showers Etc They can't create plans and carry them out the mentally ill people who are able to plan ahead and interact with the world and with people in a way that is coherent enough to To be understood and even affect some change are not the ones whose actions when viewed from the outside would seem random They will have patterns of behavior that can be comprehended and they will be able to communicate their understanding of reality to a certain extent a heavily medicated paranoid A heavily medicated paranoid schizophrenic once explained to me that he believed his family including his pregnant wife Were conspiring to do him harm and he was terrified of them and angry and confused But he also knew since he was heavily medicated that this belief was his was of his Was a result of his mental illness and that it was causing The terrible and was causing terrible distress to his family And knowing this is horrible in its own right since he couldn't stop believing those things The thing is even if he were off his medication and couldn't trust the truth as he saw it His behavior would still be consistent if you understood what his view of the world was however distorted It would make sense for him to hide things to try and defend himself to try to spy on his family Etc. It would not make sense for him to suddenly act as if he were superman Or a variety of other behaviors that stem from a completely from completely different delusions that he does not have And there is no reason in writing a mentally ill character to throw away proper characterization because it's perfectly possible And preferable to depict mentally ill people in realistic ways If um if he Because would you be getting this excuse if like in the climax of the film? If people think the riddler's gonna go fight batman and instead he shows up in his underwear and starts clocking like a chicken Like says batman your milk is ready Well, he is insane That's within character Um Insanity is a way to explain inconsistencies not consistencies And someone just replied to it. I I think this is a reply to what I just read out That was a dumbest shit. I've ever read. I've ever read I've heard dumber things. Oh, yeah I've heard I've read dumber things. Maybe they're replying to another chapter. You maybe Dumbest Hey, maybe they want to get past the uh get past the sentence. No, maybe. Yeah, maybe maybe Uh, also someone I just want to make sure we cover it. Someone in chat said, uh It's uh, it's true. Uh riddler wanted wanted to be captured because he wanted to be safe from the flood in arkham It's like there are many many ways to be safe from the flood We talked about this when uh more erroneously That uh, the water would be hot. No, it's okay. We don't we don't have to Oh, look, you know how I'm like I got rags on my side for that one. You got to take us both You know how in real life when there's a flood the immediate response from emergency services to send everyone to jail Because that's the only safe place And we're so welcome Let's just put it this way right again at the end of the film when he's foiled and he's just sitting at a cell It's like that's really like Now what if you think fucking idiot like if you had not done that you could And can't do anything did you think your plan was so perfect it couldn't possibly fail that it doesn't matter You're at arkham's like come on. Did you just want to flex or like? I just go to a hill Yeah, you have the ability to acquire multiple vans vehicles And sea level describes the level that water sits at Uh in the sea and uh land Sometimes higher or lowest sea level In fact, or pretty much the vast majority of land And like it would normally be more sea and i'm not trying to The exception of death valley, I guess not looking to insult anybody, but when you say like, ah He went to arkham to stay safe from the water. It's like, why do you think they're so clever? Yeah, you just said a really weird thing as if it wasn't stupid So When we talk about movies often films will provide explanations for things But just because the film has an explanation doesn't mean it's a good one that you should use Depends. Yeah, which by the way is different from benjapiro's criticism, which is that there is no reason But the apartment above the water line anyway, like I feel like any two Was Was yeah I kind of feel like standing in one story. That was the the amusing part about the safe haven was it seems to be this Middle of the city sinkhole that all the water can pool into it's like maybe don't go here actually Yeah, it just reminds me of in the day after tomorrow a quick to the library not the empire state building or any other tall place I would at least have something to read while we wait this Yeah That's right. Yeah, I'm finally. Yeah, he tells the homeless guy tells him to to wad up the newspaper and put it in a Remember how they wouldn't let the homeless going because he had a dog Also, when the fuck those people they should die for that. Someone just said Not even on the same land Whether or not arkham is on the same land isn't even like why would we why would you ever? If arkham is literally have stayed in bed and been safe I would I would literally like riddler. Why is arkham so safe and he goes oh because it's an elevated a couple meters off the ground Maybe there are other places that match that Like the only I can think of is that arkham might have supply lines that his apartment wouldn't like he might be able to get fed There because there would be but I don't even know how that would work Considering his criticisms of Gotham that he doesn't believe that arkham prisoners are going to be prioritized with food When the supply lines break and he's he's got access to his outfit His outfit is from like a supply store over the list, right? Like i'm sure he's he's probably a doomsday prever to some degree that character I mean like you could afford several vans You can just Walk out of city Yeah, we'll just move Well, I mean I don't want to click would work for him because he has the unique advantage in the situation Few people who actually knows it would it's gonna this event is gonna happen So which is that maybe it was to remove suspicion so you could get away with blowing it up and the minions have to like take responsibility So first of all, they already know Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. It's wrong for several reasons. First of all You have to rely on all of your minions not telling anybody or not showing that you commanded them to do all of it So that's a tough one. Secondly, do you know? Do you know why he's imprisoned right now? Because because that's an illegal coffee shop. You're not allowed to drink coffee there If you that they they just the cops just sit there and they just wait for people to go in and order coffee They sell cocaine coffee entrapment. That sounds pretty good. It's a coffee sting I mean, you know that'd be a hell of a cocktail Anyway, they're why they call it a cocktail, right? Take it away, mr Listen square garden and new york broad writ for no reason He has no motivation for blowing up a bunch of trucks and flooding downtown like none He doesn't explain why he doesn't he doesn't explain what the purpose of it is all the way along He's been saying i'm exposing the true face of gotham. Okay. That's a that's a rationale But what does that have to do with blowing up the city? They add that on just so that They can create a false distinction between Oh, I was I was almost I was waiting for him to say the thing that I would have agreed with Oh Yep, that's why I think it's as simple as that matt rees was like we need a bigger finale It's not going to be like a private thing in a room with two people or anything And this is this is going to be something that affects the city and it's going to be representative of the city I want I wonder if not even matt rees wanted that. I wonder if that was specifically a mandate Sorry, yeah, obviously I'm included. I don't know why I said matt rees to be honest It was wanted and it happened simple as that You know, you've got avalanches in your plan of the apes films. Could you give us a water avalanche in our batman film? I'm not inclined to to just chalk any sort of bad writing decisions up to the studio and not Oh, yeah, sure Yeah, it could have been anybody So I said, how about you let him finish his sentence? No, we already know he went the wrong direction He we know where he's going already said the wrong answer If we play it and then he corrects himself or whatever, you know, fixes the issue will I certainly hope I certainly hope that you say the same thing if we're watching like high top or movie bob Let him finish or or well, then again, it tends to the first time around when the coverage happens There's a lot more of like let him finish, but then after like the second or third video I remember the first time we watched fomento. There was plenty of let him finish. We don't see that so much anymore What he said about the vietnam war Like That by the way Has that made it into the efap hall of fame because that's one of the most incredible comments. I've ever heard about anything He was like quoted like saying the enemies they were like so far into us. They're like aliens. It was like the fuck Oh Moment who did this? It was fomento the poor guy. He He looked at the tomorrow war and he saw the vietnam war The tomorrow war of all things you're like that's vietnam Oh If that should already be efap audience should already know who banjapiro is though like that We don't need to give this because we've covered him before we have star wars rankings Well, but also like is that how our standards work the first time around you get hyper benefit We get pretty good benefit of the doubt. We just don't let them finish. We don't i'm sorry He said they're basically an alien race. That's what he said. He's like the vietnamese are basically an alien race But guys, don't worry. We will hear literally every word he has to say in this video several times over We're not gonna skip anything. It's just we might not get there yet. We basically are watching this video twice That's the thing um, and I feel like people must have noticed this We often go back for the whole thing because ultimately if someone says like I'm gonna bar under water to win the sport game. It's like I've got many things to say about that like There's I would We have like a first thought on that centers and then we roll it back playing like okay now I want to talk about why there's you know, like there's several things to come up Don't worry. We'll get to whatever the fuck point. He's actually making. I mean Several things will come To be clear the goal is not to misrepresent Uh, whatever arguments being put forth the goal is to engage with them in as as much good faith as possible Exactly I feel like anyone who believes that our goal is to misrepresent Ben Shapiro isn't going to be convinced by that I mean, I feel like there are way What else can we do to misrepresent someone then watching the whole video in full and often going Wait, what are the people like that and then going back and re-listening sort of hold on Let's see what he has to say or wait a minute. That doesn't hold on go back Like that's a weird way to misrepresent somebody to replay their perspective to try and figure it out Let me represent this person by making sure I actually heard the thing I just said I'm having a 10 minute tangent on if you could unknowingly be complicit in something This'll show Ben. Yeah, so just to be clear He did like a bc. Did we were like, yes. Yes. Yes, and then he went blank and we're just like, no No, no, no, no, no, no That's not what comes after a c We're right there, man We are right there We are right there, man And so now we're gonna roll the back to a point he made for us now Well, so I think that so I'm almost certain the point He's going to make is that they tacked on the third act to support the point that batman needs to do xyz Not that he should do whatever Like he's gonna that act was there because they wanted a Action scene for you know climax, which is interesting because if he was right like all the references were accurate And that's exactly what was I'd probably be like, yeah, that is a problem You don't want your story to break its back to follow the theme. You want it all to be cohesive Which I think is going to be his point and that's why I'm sad because That's probably not at all why the third act is there It's the criminal and they say that if he targets the criminal This makes him no different than criminals because paul dano who's the riddler is also targeting criminals All the way up until the very end when they have to just sort of add on this attack on Madison square garden and new york broad writ for no reason He has no motivation for blowing up a bunch of trucks and flooding downtown like none He doesn't explain why he doesn't he doesn't explain What the purpose of it is all the way along he's been saying i'm exposing the true face of gotham Okay, that's a that's a rationale But what does that have to do With blowing up the city they add that on just so that They can create a false distinction between batman and the riddler so that batman can change his mission See have you thought about yeah Exactly what I thought he was gonna say but uh, we let him finish the sentence. I guess we'll keep going because that's what we thought he would say Yep I'm sorry. Me. We're gonna say one Oh, just Just as he's speaking all I can think is do you think that maybe There's some these comparisons that there may be a lot of your criticisms here just based on the fact that you didn't Fucking Understand what they were doing with batman pretty fundamentally. Maybe just did you take five minutes to think about that? Maybe I don't know. Well, some of his other criticisms that definitely seems to apply I mean clear I I totally sympathize with the idea that the third act Is kind of disconnected from what comes before it but not for the same reasons. That's the problem Yeah, you know what he says the riddler did it for no reason Uh, no reason that he said That's like, ah, I could have almost agreed with it because when you say no reason That can be our conclusion when we look at his reasons We were like that's not a good reason. So therefore there's no reason but he's saying he didn't even say what it's like No, no, he did. No, he did Yeah That's like and then that's just a thing of oh damn like your references are off Ah Damn like that means we may well not agree That's why I feel like if you could point out to Him some of the specific references you could change his mind. You know what I mean? Maybe maybe yeah Hopefully he's not too passionate about this position that he would be like no, this is what happened okay That would be funny and have his spine changed on what there would be it would be funny if he didn't change his mind It will be funny to hear him argue it Um, it might be interesting to hear him argue it. Yeah, well, I guess I guess, you know Bright side either way is that we either get him to change his mind or we get like a major lee style What the fuck is this will be Ben Shapiro agrees to come on e-fab, what is that gonna happen? Hey, I would love it hope You think he wouldn't only help I think he definitely would you're right He's chomping at the bit. He just he doesn't want to be in the light and invite himself. Yeah He's like a secretary and every day. He's like any um Any email He doesn't even have to say who it's from. He just asked the secretary. Did they email Secretary knows no, sir. They had not yet not yet There's a code in his videos Like the titles if you arrange the letters like a nicole is dead kind of thing Or the first letter of each second aerograin or something when he responds to that's right Like news articles or even just news clips and stuff. He pauses them a lot and he's like, well, I pause a lot, huh? Yep, that's what I do One can even say that I pause every frame at this point. Yeah every frame my boss only I could find a community of like-minded people who do the same thing to join on and maybe Only I could find a someone in a gas mask a dog and a bird and maybe we I'm not a bird You know, Ben's not talking about you know, he's just eluding. Yeah. Yeah from his perspective Exactly, you know bird is code for um Plague doctor. Yes. No, it's not. Oh, just because I've both got beast doesn't mean No What if he said someone with bird like features Like I I'm not sure that that's is that meant to make me feel better about all that Yes Is that me bird like features a bird like a beak is a bird like feature for me A beak is a beak whatever you make of it. That's up to you I feel like a beak is more commonly associated with a bird Than a plague doctor. Yeah We never seen anyone Oh, that looks just like a plague If you if you would allow me to actually if you would allow me to speak All I was saying was I never said that a like a beak is a plague doctor feature I never said that I just said a beak is a beak He's a beak doctor, but you did show opposition to the idea that it's a bird like feature, right? Yeah, it is a bird. I would argue that it's both a bird like feature I feel like it is principally a beak is a beak Um, I feel like you're being obtuse about the nature Yeah What no if if I were the warden I'd put you in the in the hole for a month for that Oh, no I I mean Could I say it could there are some things you think are like some things else right for you? Let's get that sorted as a foundation. Well, there are there are things that are like other things. Yes I I do understand that notion. Yeah Are you a platypus and of all the beaks there's a lot that go to the birds, right? Like they kind of hog it Yeah, um, I'm not I'm not sure that that I feel like you should be sure about that. What what other what categories hog? Beaks Guys, we don't have enough information. We don't know on a universal scale You know where the beaks too Yeah, exactly I'm not I'm only silent because I'm googling the word Octopus monotremes I'm so familiar with monotremes that I'm just like maybe someone else isn't so you could you know explain What what is the population of monotremes and is it comparable to the population of birds? Well, is that how we determine? Is this probably not we should have termed it by awareness, right? Yeah, well, that's that's another basically any category that you can determine the hogging by dolphins Dolphins don't have bees What have we become the big the big unifying factor here Really between all of this is that ben Shapiro is a Jew, of course and in the pints to Why why is that like that? Well, it's like what I he's a Jew and that is totally fine If you're Jewish, it's fine. There's plenty of people are wrong about all kinds of things, right? So Ben Shapiro is you and in Leviticus they say that Bats, you know, like Batman, it's all religions equally. Yeah, don't worry about it. It's not just Jews And Fringy's a bird. So we have Batman. We have Ben Shapiro. We have Fringy. It's all linked together It's all uh, it's all a web Everything's connected So Fringy, I think you might have a point because I just did a google and cephalopods also known for having beaks There are more species known is to um, overall of cephalopods in the hour of birds Therefore you probably go to cephalopods. Wait, do all cephalopods have beaks? I don't think they do I don't know. All I know is that uh, if we're playing you Well, I think I mean Fringy sounded like he knew he was really happy I was just laughing. That's all. No, you were very content in that, uh Yeah, sounded like the information meme gave you was very pleasing. Can you tell us why? I just found it interesting. That's all. It's not a laugh of victory. It's a laugh of man You were also confident that birds just severely outnumber Um, like the those other you objected you didn't even know what they are Numbering as a metric of Octopi and and uh squid and stuff. Yeah Yeah, but you objected to the whole notion that we would judge this based on the sheer numbers You did But now you seem to be singing a different tune I'm not singing a different tune because I never said anything about the the fact that birds sing open That's true. I feel like this tune is rather derivative of others rags, you know, why I think you need to that's uh, you shouldn't say things like that Birds sing really? Wow Well, I sort of like a like a general say of the birds tend to sing right rags. That's all you say. Yeah They all do they tend to sing do they? Yeah, they do. Honestly, I can't think of a bird that does a bird song, right? I know that birds like that is a kind of song. Yeah You sing songs to this little fringy name a bird that doesn't sing From ostrich ostriches love you sure. Oh, they love Oh Birds who sing at night Birds who don't sing now be careful with the google search because google will tell you that like oh imagine dragons. They sing but you know Now we also have to remember that, you know I have to show you this case you go to see this in groogle Is It's it's it's actually it's a little known simon in garfunkel sound the sound of ostrich I like that google auto auto fills that with that exact one as well What is the sound of ost and just says what is the sound of ostrich called? Because ost is a common question, right? It is You think that oftentimes they'd be waiting like google's just chomping at the bit to like which one which one do you mean? Nope, they already know ostrich Um, yeah, I just think it's there. I think it's all very fun about non avian dinosaurs So like the triceratops, for example had a beak So how many of those had the beak because that's where the beak really came from, you know, the Yeah, but they're dead I think we should be focusing on his awareness Yes, like they're dead. So it doesn't matter. I mean maybe to you, but I mean I Play doctors aren't around anymore, but still yeah, I'm with you on that one freaky. I'm with you I'm with jay on awareness I'm I said that first the awareness thing because I think that's fair But the thing is well, I don't see whether or not they're alive or dead smaller unaware Because the thing about alive or dead is dinosaurs are pretty cool, you know Are pretty cool Can't argue and if you want to say that beaks are dinosaur like It must the same way that if you said beaks a bird like I really don't take a an issue with that I just think that it's worthwhile to not like it sounded like a cookie issue with it Yeah, that sounds more likely you problem than anything else, all right You're the one that seems to have Anything So can you yeah, you started what jay said So is a bill a beak all jay said was this bird like and then you were like whoa, bro What's my fault? You're right Look at poor man over here poor little little ben Shapiro over here being neglected. That's true See jay from now on jay say it's dinosaur like all right and we won't have this problem I'm going to say it's cuck like there are so many pterosaurs So cuck like rana dons and stuff most of them had beaks and they probably outnumbered the birds as far as diversity goes We already gave up on the population argument. Okay, and alive or dead. No, I didn't you you gave up. I did I'm still on that island I just like that the freeze frame we have right now looks like he's playing imaginary drums I Also think this is genuinely what his expression would be if you heard the conversation we just had I keep getting ads that he had a conversation with Jordan Peterson I wonder if they talk about birds on their little chat That's the main topic of discussion Yeah, like the biology of birds Exactly guys turtles also have beaks Turtles do have beaks. That's true. It's about awareness. We've been over this all right No one thinks about turtles as beak havers. Okay. Is that is that how it works in awareness? Yes. Well, yeah, so yeah, pretty much You describe something as being similar to the thing that most people are going to be aware of right as a comparison Um, I suppose I can understand why you would think that Are you running for president? Maybe I am That'll be funny if somebody was asked that like in a presidential debate. There are some people who do believe I'm running for president There are some people who do believe I'm running for president. I want to put an answer to these four great people Fringy, I would vote for you. I would like or not. I wouldn't personally But I can't remember. Can you vote for yourself? You can right? Yeah, of course you can vote for yourself You're just one vote. So you're fine But when I was running for school captain one of the piece of advice they they gave us was just like you would be stupid to vote for yourself Oh, man. Oh, you've just reminded me. You talk about school captain stuff. Um, oh, I'm just having a flashback I remember Yeah Yeah, and as we learned in south park, um, when wendy got that power she used it to destroy the smurf village and take all their smurf berries Yeah, I know it's horrible and then they adapted it into a film a little known film called avatar um Dances with smurfs Um, what was that? Oh, yeah, that's right school captains. Um meme. It would have been the same for you, right? You know how like when you had sports days, you'd have five Teams and they give you the houses like different colors. Yeah. Yeah. I remember I was garrow wang Well, did you go to Hogwarts? Is that what you did? Did you go to Hogwarts? Um, yeah, so we're a wang house garrow wang That sounds like a like that sounds like a hentai fetish. It's like coach or something Are you into garrow wang? I like what's that? I was like, oh, if you don't know this guy's called gary and it's just wang I mean rags it gets even better because our our slogan was up the wang and we Had Up the wang that's what we would shout that and it was completely permitted, you know, it was all approved. That's weird We're just like Not entrances When I was in high school as they uh wang It would be great as a freshman in high school We did something similar where all of the classes Would compete in basketball games throughout the year until there was like a winner for the the homeroom class and uh our our uh homeroom Guy was a teacher was his last name was strube. Oh, no strube And so our basketball team name was strube Our basketball team name with strube You cut it out Our our basketball team name You can do a bad it was You can do it It's okay. It's not going to be nearly as good as what anyone's imagining. It's just silly our our homeroom team name was I don't even know if it's a discord at this point It really isn't it's just it's I'm I'm sorry my face hurts It's it's not even that funny. I can't even get it out. I'm just waiting. It's a spence God, it's the way that kevin thon said it. Oh my god okay our classroom Name was strube strawberries And that was it No, I know it's just strube Pretty gay I went to an all-boys catholic school So there were no ladies it was this is the most Veral environment i'd ever been in And we were strube strawberries I can picture you dancing onto the court like And Strube strawberry We played our first game and lost horrifically But you lost style We had to just be expected because all the teams all the classrooms compete in the freshman are of course Quite behind the seniors in terms of just general competence So, yeah, we uh We're sorry. Did you guys have like when you had your sports stuff? Did you have team captains and things like that? Oh, yeah, I just um, we probably school captain. I was like wait Oh, yeah, we had a class president in our classes Uh, no, we had school captain. We had a music captain as well Uh, what is a school captain? So the school captain I think all that they really did was that they were like some sort of Representative within the school for like the students They would go up and do the speeches whenever they needed to like and present stuff and That that was basically it. It's like you don't really do a lot That's that's the same as like class president and yeah, that's more familiar I think we had just like In my school, I was elected to the student play do Uh, someone asked what are the people who didn't want to play do and I said, so you had like 20 25 people In a home room So if you didn't want to play that was totally fine. Yeah, there's only five people at a time Yeah, basketball is normally a 5v5 affair with some substitutions. So Also, this was not super duper serious So The whole school that was okay. I will say I remember I learned like, um Because when I was in year five, which for references you like 10 or 11 years old I remember uh, and that was like the final year of primary school I uh, I wanted to I wanted to be the school captain for my uh, my team And so I prepared like a big old speech. I worked so hard on it. I worked so hard I was thinking about all of the important points I needed to hit It's a terrible racial story No, no, no, no, there's not too many of those. Um, there's not too many of those. Um, there are a few though. Um, But uh, yeah, no, I I worked I worked really hard on that speech Um Is I can imagine the sound of ostrich the camera She's running around the music swells Oh my god As long as they make the really deep noises Hmm You're saying the film would be beautiful Yeah Oh my lord South star instead of south civic with an ostrich and like a Lion the ostrich of the lion forbidden love The lion the ostrich in the wardrobe and the zebra Ha I need to see that one like instead of the white which is the ostrich The neck is so high that it spreads off of the page like it doesn't even fit to the poster Oh, they do the they do the thing from powerpuff girls where we never see the head of the width It's just a long neck that's constantly above you gotta put that beam up to You gotta put that beam up to it's really good. Um, oh, so yeah, so the story so I worked really hard to do the Sorry, Ben speech And I remember So something I I learned I learned a really important lesson From the I I lost I didn't win Um, and I remember feeling that I had presented the best speech Because I worked really really hard on it. I remember I worked so hard on it Um, but I learned like a really valuable lesson that is so simple But just I remember it was really interesting to me at the time um The people who won that I noticed in like all of them Would always have some sort of euphemism that they would say at the end like go The name of the team and that was like a really important thing for getting people hyped up And then like a level of interest in voting for you and it was just like damn You go like get those platitudes in there if you if you're trying to get like a um If you're trying to win like an election like that you just got to get those platitudes in find a way Don't talk you can talk about yourself all you want, but just make sure that you get those platitudes in um Damn, it was like yeah, it's okay. I've gotten over it now. I should have gotten over it by this point Those are those are akinoderms, right Are they akinoderms? I think I think platitudes are right. Sorry. What is that? What is that word? Have I screwed up? Is that not a word is not is that not the word that I mean now platitude is a word. Yeah It's like a big hill that's flat. Oh No, it's not it's not euphemism. That's wrong You're right. It is platitudes It is platitudes. I'm a fool. Will you learn something new every day? All right, rags. What was the word you said? Is the wrong one? It's fine akinoderms. What was that? I thought it I thought I'd Enchiladas is that an alien species or Make sure that when you give a speech if you're writing for political office to give lots of enchiladas that'll get you Yeah, like knuckles the enchilado you do the thing like in The Simpsons wasn't that a thing where like in order to win the pretzels They were giving away like free No, that wasn't that's not a good reference. Sorry That's okay. I forgive you Any simpsons reference is a good reference. That's in in my um in my school when I was about nine I was um elected. Uh, I wanted to be elected every year every year. I tried to get on the student council When I was nine, I finally got in Um, which was my last year at that school, by the way So my last chance and then I was removed from the council by a teacher in a shocking violation of democracy You're on this council, but no, but no Wait, why were you removed? What did you do rocket another child? Okay, but I feel like we've just uncovered an even greater story here. Yes Oh, once I throw a rocket another child. I don't remember I did a lot of things when I was a child. I feel like you should remember this Um, you got kicked off of your put you lost all your political power. Well, what I I can tell you is that I remember being angry But really really all the detail I have you didn't hit him with a rock out of love No Well, you know that there could be like an element of like Some of the things I did wrong was a child barring injured other children We're like I thought it would just be like a funny prank and then it it wasn't Yeah, because I I hit a guy in the head with a rock once and it was a total accident Yeah Sorry, we're meant to be watching Ben Shapiro, aren't we? You got I got caught up in the in all the the talk about birds And political campaigns Yeah, wait, do we want to talk about this wonder thing or we move it on? You mean looks looks looks amazing Um Their mouths Dude she's she's got the expression of she's just walked in on something awkward. She's like Man, you can't even you can't breathe you're dying there It's pretty funny to be fair. It is pretty funny. Yeah They've painted like my god. I'd look into her into her eyes like she's got Why I'm sorry. Why does she have this face? Why someone in the comments said she farted and she's trying She's totally oh full circle full circle we talked about turtles and how they got beat Oh wonder saw vision fucking black widow there's your explanation Man that was a choice that they made. Yeah, I feel like it must have been accidental How was it Through so many points of production, you know, yeah, I don't know. I'm just confused Why is it called lady spook tequila though? Well, I guess because maybe you can't brand it like as a marvel thing without getting in trouble Oh, so Okay, maybe that explains their face they couldn't use a normal If that that clearly is just like oh, this is defective. We're not gonna sell this one Oh, we're using it for the promotional material. Oh, no No, we can't do that This is you know what they used the figure of palpatine on the rise of skywalker poster. This is yeah, I should use they should do the same with this For the multiverse of madness, it's just that piece. Yes, someone make that poster, please Maybe maybe this is actually a like a loving recreation of a very important moment from multiverse of madness And we just don't have the context yet. Well department. She's like, oh awkward Part where she walks in on dr. Strange having a tug Well, we do have some scenes of him shirtless in bed, so You know when you have a tug everyone thinks you're a hero, but when I like he's he's just finished Like he's just finished. So it's really hard for him to hide anything Yeah Welcome to the multiverse of madness you're like wait, what? The multi-tug of madness Then then she says I wish I could go to a universe where I never saw that and that kicks off the events of the film Yeah, yeah like blast the whole of reality everything gets sucked into this eldritch like He grants that wish because that's what dr. Strange does. He just grants. He just does that He's not here to talk about westview. It's not like that would be something worth talking about, you know that that little bit where you enslaved it Why did they oh man, they ruined that they really did The multiverse of tugness No, it really is kind of like but consider the positive which is What a huge weight it is off your shoulders that you just hate everyone involved anyway, so it doesn't really matter I like spider-man Oh, yeah spider-man. Yeah, but like multiverse of madness. You're like, oh, you're just all I like I like Oh, that's right, they're gonna in hell Jesus Christ run Patrick Get out as soon as that's the I know it's a joke, but I'm just saying give him more helpful advice Fly with his break. He'll fly with his floating chair No, he has a floating chair. He'll fly with that. Yeah, he does float his chair around. Yeah, float faster Float away bad. Go go flying chair Charles Xavier will have his own personal puppeteer that will help him to run away What he just kneels down and uses his legs and runs with Yeah, you know, it's like uh, you know, it's like a giant human just puppeteering That's a creature Reacher is that It's a deagle A deagle true true, but isn't deagle desert eagle. This is a dolphin eagle You think Yeah, here's the first creature to ever exist on earth before the single-celled organisms This thing was Like a species or anything. There's just one He's cool. Isn't that the name of uh, Ben Shapiro's take on the bad man? No, maybe I'll get this wrong, but isn't deagle the name of smeagle's friend that he strangles? Yes Oh Well, no, we can't be called that because of the gun. Oh dang Well, who came first him or the desert eagle? Let's figure that out. No, the fucking beat thing down there came first Editor for millions of years Yeah, he is like he he flew up there and he was like, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna sort this out and then he cracked This thing flew out of the big bang perfect. Yeah, and then he He cracked his fin like knuckles in this fin and he put them together and like He turned it around and went With his fins and then he was like, all right, let's get to work and he started Filling it all out climb to a mountaintop and ate some black goo dissolved into a river and uh, we have Why why that? Ah, I see. Why why goo? Why do you think? I I'm asking you I'll give you one chance to guess and then I'll reveal my tricks. Okay. Um, I I don't know if that's my guess It's no Oh, no, oh god. I mean just came in. No, no, no He was doing a prometheus thing for me Imagine a human being's thing that over and over and they still lock him up anyway I just seem fair. It's like, yeah, I don't fucking care. You go to prison Well, it's I mean, it's like what do you want me to say that I am over? I don't know What is Dr. Strange supposed to do with this, you know, like it's not his choice that everybody hates you Like that once you get to know about it have everyone in the universe forget about you. I can do that I could I could sort that out. I'm really good at that But I wouldn't know because I always Get that I've done it Every time I've done it, I've forgotten that I did it. Yeah So, um, well, he didn't forget about the other time he did it, right? Huh, I guess That's a great name I like how slapdash it is Yeah Yeah, you should be proud of it No, it's one bit of demic, but it's just a bunch of fringies going no, no Friggy equals moot night fring night. Yeah, that's Small small one of them's a frog The fringy night rises Oh boy Watchful. All right, Ben. Let's what do you got? Oh What does that have to do with blowing up the city they add that on just so that Desperate to get his opinion out there, but he's like The idea that Ben is watching the podcast really annoyed that we're not paying attention to his points How many people do you think you're gonna be like, wow, you spent 11 hours talking about Ben Shapiro not liking a movie I you know, I don't think anyone's gonna get me. I don't think fucking anyone will care That's great. I thoroughly enjoy the tagline to this movie. He's sad a little bit upset about that mubes Oh We only do it to women it's like all of those men in the queue like wow If someone out there Makes a dr. Tran Parody with fringy and a bird instead of dr. Tran and being a doctor you'll get a million pooch points Whoa, you know that's a wow That's a deep reference but I want you to know In the same way that mandalorian fucked this up you've been pricing most rewards at 10 pooch points So this is the most incredible thing ever a million. You're going to ruin the pooch points economy. Yeah all those people Are the wonders It's not great fiscal management to just bail out the squitches companies and the dog treats companies All right, you gotta distribute that, you know, you gotta think about essential services I know that squitches are they're pretty important, but they're you know And i'm looking at the pooch points stock Uh values right now. Um, dude, I think you don't realize how much of a effect what you just said has had I have a lot of my IRA invested in pooch points. I wish you wouldn't devalue you We're gonna we're in I I said a million that was just me miss speaking. I'd say Oh I had a chip in my throat Rag stop is going down Listen what I meant was 25 Okay, this is like when Elon Musk said he was gonna sell Tesla's pocket for 20 a share I'm at four. I'm at 20 25 a billion. You know how it goes. We gotta have we gotta have those Pooch box is not regulated by the sec I would be Regulated by the me me Oh god, I found the place they're selling the wonder thing and they have every picture Look at her arms Oh my god Oh Her arms are very thin Her arms are very thin as is as good. You can see our nipples They really went out of way to like accentuate like you can though. She has fully sculpted nipples for some reason She doesn't have a camel toe though. So that's yeah, what does she have down there? Whoa, what's going on down there? There's a bulge of some sort. There's some going on down there But it's not it's not big enough to be a cock Yeah, it could just be like, you know a tape. What if it's what if it's just balls? This this face how how did it get to this point that you allowed this to happen So it was like it's a knock-offy thing. It's like, yeah, but okay still like I just look at the other ones they haven't stalked the faces look fine What happened you want people to buy these they all These are made from like a 3d like scan of a person and the person just pulled a weird face Taking a shit at the time. Yeah, maybe Well, apparently they were also fully nude because the nipples got in there Nothing wrong with it. I guess you can add those in post. You could yeah, but why why does that's That because people like nipples It's true. People do like I did a poll a day three people who like Me rags and rags smaller and Lucky guess This is the only um, that's not a superman that I feel really captures the Oh my god, it actually does capture him very well To appreciate the title of of the superman one super angry expression That should be a super hero day It was $50 and 99 cents now it's $48 and 96 cents Oh my god Or another superman action figure I presume and we here's what it looks like just separated from the body Again I just like it's not called bad of steel is called super angry expression When the other one's just constipated So I found one of the flash of Esra Miller's flash just the head What what do you what do you think it's called? I want I want everyone to guess what it's called and then I will show you Super sad expression beta face I gotta see the face to determine what they call it expression face Well, here we go Oh my god Asian head sculpt Would they call it There's so many other options. Why did you Always finishes first I love that it's 42 99 what kind of price is that? I love it. It's great. It's the best price. Yes There ever was if I was going to say if I was paying for an Asian head, I would expect it to be around Yeah, you wouldn't pay 43 bucks for Asian head Wait, wait, did you guys hear about Esra Miller's weird like Instagram crusade against a very specific chapter of the KKK in North Carolina? Yeah, that was weird. That was wild Action to kill one of the most something. Yeah, he made some weird Instagram posts about how he was going to kill Some KKK members in North Carolina. I I think they're gonna fuck you up It was very strange Not a headline I expected to read like that. Yeah. No, no, that's true so Ben Ben, what's up? Faster than him is racism. Is that a record-setting tangent? No, I don't think so because it's probably not the Jenny Nicholson one The Jenny Nicholson one we handed into the Jeb memes not just that we we tangented into like reviewing an angry joe video between her video How can nobody ever talk about that though, Mola? Um, hmm. What a strange thing. I've never even noticed that ring. You know, that's a strange thing you pointed out there That is interesting. Nobody ever talks about the all of the others. It's almost like nobody watched any of it at all Yeah, I don't know Review angry joe's teaser trailer reaction to Kenobi. People seem to love when you when we talk about that What Kenobi Well, you guys are gonna get plenty of Kenobi coverage eventually Really? So Kenobi is one where if you guys said you absolutely refuse to watch I'd be like, okay, I'm gonna watch it though Well, I am I am gonna watch it. Uh, yeah, of course, it's gonna be coverage because I'm gonna watch it Yeah, I want to see what they do to that This is our job Sometimes it's too far, you know, like sometimes We watch You know how many DC movies we watched You think that was for the love of the craft? No, we have watched them all right Wait, no, we haven't watched Shazam. Oh, I've seen Shazam. But yeah, we haven't watched that. That's right. Yeah, we haven't When's that gonna happen moller? Shazam 2 is now coming out this year. So there is a time limit. There is We could do a double feature actually that could make sense. I don't know if that's a limit, but yeah Oh, we can't do a double feature We can't do double feature like Wonder Woman because we won't have access to the film at all, you know So, yeah, we'll start to wait, but um Well, you know, I think I think it lines up pretty well actually because like it means meme will always have videos to edit The other day a double good double feature would be treasure planet and titan ae True That could be cool I want us to roll out and I do want to space them out because of how fucking painful it is But all the disney classics to disney live action Oh And then the lion king Yes, and I would like to invite yms for that. That would be perfect. Yeah I'm so rag for that video rags. Have you seen this comment? And if you haven't I want you to read it and then guess what? um, what what um product they are reacting to It feels this was by free freed link skywalker um It feels much more poetic Profound and epic to me than any other star wars product Not just the series You hear the drama the heaviness of souls and faces in every single shot What breaks this habit of drama? loop playing blissful The new hope the hope for the galaxy Very beautiful. This is from the kanobi trailer Yes, and it's a and I find it very funny that someone could have a reaction to that I find it very funny. Well, we just have so little to latch on to it's just like it's the reveal They played doula the fates. What are you talking about? Maybe maybe they're thinking about chungus nose, man Maybe true. Yeah, maybe it is kind of unreal to me. The nose is in the galaxy more profound Poetic and epic than anything in star wars so far this trailer. It's like fucking out. Yeah, just this trailer Just the trailer the music is great. I totally agree. Um But like what what more can I what more is there to latch on to at this point? Yeah, like if they just started playing lord of the rings music in a star wars trailer, I'd be like, yeah This is really good music, but like you cheated There It is it is very much that you are leveraging more so than what is to come what already came before In order to get the reaction that you want. It just you just bought this so you could play it for me I already know what it sounds like and what's interesting is I can't even like this really wasn't much in the trailer to draw from even like What you could assume to be the plot line. It's like he will be evading Yeah, no, I'm not so I'm not saying it should have more I'm saying that people are like heavily invested in the meaning of it when it's like we haven't even got anything to dig into yet Surely that is more so indicative of what what people are really excited for is like the idea Of a really great in between, you know, three and four ob one story Oh, pardon me Whether or not whether or not that ends up being the case though remains to be seen Well, like, you know You guys could check out the trailers for the boba fat tv show There was a hell of a lot of hope in there like loads. I'm not even saying copium I'm just saying people being like this is gonna be fucking great You know focus on a character. This will be the one this is gonna be cool And it's really interesting to see him rule with respect. You can tell that's a result of all the crap he's been through and stuff like that We're having a good influx right now of of of of meme-age I'm having trouble keeping up actually the flow coming There's a phone coming mr. Way Way Oh my god, man, you really are the meme repository jesus Um hell yeah, but yeah, it's also just a little bit like oh man seeing that reaction being commonly like had just means We're good if Kenobi is used winning. Yeah dizzy's definitely winning. They shouldn't be worried about anything every trailer every trailer is gonna have this reaction Well, they're good at making trailers Well, yeah at this point they're very good at making trailers, but I mean that's how they can make people just think of god It's marketing What's it? I think it's always worth Entering into when you when you're like watching a trailer to remember It's like this is marketing like do do remember that there was something that they are trying to sell you here Which is specifically they subscribe to disney plus it's worth keeping that in mind and just like Anticipation is one thing but like getting super duper hyped always feels like that just is gonna lead to either like tremendous disappointment or An extreme amount of bias When you uh when it finally comes around I I think this is just informed by Oh, I remember so clearly when video games like in video get people get hyped and then they pre-order it And then the game comes out that doesn't work And then like you get such visceral reactions in in defense of that Um, because of course you can order the next thing and get disappointed and then they pre-order the next thing I think the reaction of you know often Sometimes you see that reaction with I mean it happened with cyberpunk right there were people who are hardcore defending that It's like well, yeah, if you were like if you were super duper invested in that you hyped it up You talked about it beforehand. You probably aren't gonna respond super well if it comes out and it's not good It's like well, I couldn't have been fooled. I couldn't have been bamboozled um It's like when people buy something and then they watch positive reviews of the thing that they bought after the fact Yeah, a little bit. It's just confirmation. You know that I mean yeah The the the long and short of it is just let's let's wait and see with uh with obu one The punish man Funnily enough if you if you withhold judgment and just reserve your opinion until it's actually out you you lose literally nothing You have Yeah, you know low expectations. You're not gonna be disappointed. You may be pleasantly surprised Punish man Punish man Frank. He's going to crank. I don't know. I don't get how people pre-order 2042 because I had really great trailers um, that's why Because no one thinks that a battlefield could be that bad a lot of trailers came out Everybody's like battlefields back and it's like a battlefield is back on the basis of a really good in engine Not gameplay in engine trailer That has good music and sound effects that sync with the music and great visuals And it sucks that so many like grown ass adults Are willing to watch something that is in no way indicative of a product Yeah, and they'll still be like this is the evidence that the game is going to be this is the proof that the game is going to be Excellent There just needs to be better precedent for it because I'm not against like live-action or animated trailers in concept But they should just showcase the kind of thing the game is going to be Well, like the dishonored show like the dishonored live-action trailer the first one Not even live-action. Sorry. It's just a you know, CGI trailer Um, it shows loads of the abilities that you have access into the game working as they do in the game It shows the world which is a massive setting Like you know a massive selling point of the game is the world you get to explore and it shows You know the kind of world that it is and it has a little bit of world building in the trailer and in concept You know just a bit of flavor I'm perfectly happy with that but we need to have a better understanding that Or I guess a better etiquette of first of all having them actually represent the game And a better um understanding that they might not represent the game both of those things in conjunction I think I'd further stand for uh I'm always going to think about halo 3 odst and reach had incredible trailers that weren't gameplay related Halo 3 had the one with the miniatures. Halo 3 had Cars on the set with uh a lot of great. Yeah, like halo a lot of people don't remember how many Yeah, yeah, there was the whole believe campaign. There was the Remember had an amazing trailer where it was like you're following the life of this the kid Then he becomes an odst recruit and he's in the battle and then he becomes the leader And then we see the next generation of odst. It was an incredible live action trailer But I mean at that point we're talking about just like artistic I mean, of course, it's all art right even cutting trailers together. That is art in a sense But I remember for any for halo 3 There was a whole string of trailers where you had people who were like talking as if they were veterans of the war That takes place It was a whole stretch of stuff like that and it was like good Like there was a lot of great halo 3 in particular trailers and stuff because yeah That game was just so big when I think I think it's worthwhile to always distinguish between like the artistry of the trailer versus I guess like When you're entering into whatever that trailer is there to promote Yeah, like you're never going to benefit from getting like super duper duper crazy heights Like I think I think it's I think that's the important part. There is a distinction between anticipation and hype I think hype describes something different Ultimately a lot of these trailers are essentially just a short film to let you know Hey, this product is coming and like that you should be interested in it, right? Because like you've got um, I think probably really famous ones of the star wars the old republic trailers, which I've seen all Those were really great. Yeah. Yeah Some of them are a bit funny in terms of tropes that we would make fun of because they're dumb But like, you know, overall they're good trailers, right? both Impressive showcase of tech assassins creed or Assassin's creed had some good Like 3d rendered trailers. They had some good ones like three had an amazing Oh and uh revelations. That's the one that everybody remembers because it was it was awesome um But at the same time if you watch that trailer and you're like assassins creed revelations game of the year It's like wait, hold on like you've got nothing to go off of great trailer. Yes as for the game Well, just wait and see. Yeah the Somewhere along the way we stopped Is a very broad collective we we stopped making companies earn our money and we started to Make come up with excuses to give it away Yeah, no the companies make money and also make you beta test the game for you Yeah, you pre-order it's like oh now we can play earlier, but not the finished product And this might be a product from like months ago. I don't know Well, this is a bit of a tangent. Yeah video game companies. They love pre-orders. They love them Pre-orders are fantastic from a business sense for oh, yeah, you have your money. We haven't even made anything yet That's fucking amazing. They make back the money before the game even releases sometimes Yeah, Grand Theft Auto I hope that game is it's like well. Yeah, that's right Grand Theft Auto 5 made 800 million dollars in the day You guys know that once they announce Grand Theft Auto 6 it's going to pay for itself Oh, it'll pay for itself the day the pre-orders go live. Yeah, once they announce it pre-orders are now live It's it's paid for itself. If if there was a a flood at the studio and it all got lost They think they got the money Yeah Well, they wouldn't get the money until because you could cancel your pre-orders before the game comes out, obviously, but like Yeah, it's just um Yeah, Aaron. It's I don't yeah Chill out. Just chill out. That's it. Yeah, like just chill out when it comes to getting super duper crazy hyped for like a video game Do it whatever pre-order bonus you get it's stupid And you're not special for having it There is a reason why pre-order bonuses are a thing they want you to pre-order think just think about it every time Why would you what what are these incentives for? It's because pre-ordering is way more preferable from a publisher perspective Then if you wait until launched to decide to buy it Um, and I totally understand why publishers love pre-orders because it's really good for projections and figuring out how much money you expect to make distribution like it's super helpful, but um Yeah, like what I just saw this picture of this green bird and someone said it's fringy Oh, that is that is a that is a beautiful little bird. Look at him. Is that a quetzal? What is that? Is that just a picture of you fringy? That's a no, it's a bird It is a beautiful bird Fringy, that's a beautiful picture of you I like how we're focusing on that instead of our creepy ass fucking joe biden I mean that face is perfect you're so worried, but I expect to see it more as time goes by Um Crazy idea. Do you guys want to listen? Let's get back to Ben Shapiro We've been on two minutes left for 10 years Yeah All right, everyone what you've all been waiting for That's pretty good. Oh, we all did it. Oh, it's fantastic. Look at it. No wives Oh That's a that's a rationale But what does that have to do with blowing up the city they add that on just so that They can create a false distinction between batman and the riddler so that batman can change his mission So now batman's mission is not beating up bad guys and stopping bad guys Now batman's mission is to be a firefighter. He's no longer a detective He really believes that baron won't be punching villains no longer He believes that's what's going to happen in the next movie. It's just not like Dude, he's gonna be shocked and he'll probably end up saying, uh, they changed their mind. I listened to me Listen to the feedback It's a firefighter. It's a betrayal and it's a real problem. That's my biggest issue with the film No, okay It wasn't in the film. That's not terrible. I guess Such a sell-out it feels like such a sell-out of what batman is supposed to be Again, it's got a little bit of woke politics. That's really not the problem. The problem is he brought her woke orientation of the film I thought you said I thought he said that didn't matter. I thought he said that he wasn't going to talk about that It's good now. It's I think I think he's drawing a now a line between the Like the like the fact that some of the characters are black and that one line of dialogue And the like thematic through line of the film that he's misinterpreted. I think he's he's categorizing those separately But he used the word same way to describe other than any woke. Yeah, which is really funny I hope the next film is called fireman bat Postman bat postman bat postman bat and his black and white cat Stuffed stuff postman Sorry postman bat is going to To deliver the mail on his adventure absolutely lost it Mailman was a backbone of any society Can you imagine he knocks on the door and he's got he's just standing there with like a blank expression holding a letter It's like who are you and he says i'm vengeance. No, sorry Postman bat is your mail. All right. See you. I want I want postman bat to fight punishment frank Postman bat and punishment frank punishment Uh, all the upbringing wait was was was postman pats british, isn't it? It is I'm pretty sure There is shed cycles down to us and also fine on sam A lot of british stuff cycled down I remember it was it was a meme that we had to put in for one of the boba feats jay You brought it up. It was a show about a sentient yellow car Yes Yeah, I remember he made that He made that reference and then I looked up Because I was like what the what is that and then I looked up. It's like, oh my god I remember that show with the yellow car. I remember it very well No, I actually don't remember it very well at l. I just remember the intro I remember that show very well. It's like, yeah, there's a lot of british stuff that seeps into australian, uh, culture Well, I think my first major My first major obsession was with thomas the tank engine and I very much love the british version of that show Same here. Thomas the tank engine. I used to love that as a kid Did you get raven in australia? Raven what like that's so raven. We got that. No, no, no. I am referring to specifically a um There was okay, so there was a scottish man who lived in the woods and wore feathers That does not ring a bell And what he would do is he would he would challenge children to death trials And it was excellent To death trials Well, I mean the axes were really made of foam and stuff But it would be like there's this like gauntlet that he that he would send children down with foam axes on it and if um If if one of the children was hit with one of the axes they were out of the show. It was really entertaining There was a show called wipeout that had uh adults going through like yeah, it was like wipeout for kids Okay, so it was in in like a scottish woodland Oh, I just googled the word raven thinking I would get it god. I'm smart What's the there was a look at it Tempoly jungly show that was oh the legend of like the forbidden temple or something like that I know what you're talking about golden monkey statues Help me out send random things maybe it'll trigger my memory legend of the temple I remember jungle run That was the the mobile game Oh, I'm talking about like an actual thing temple run is the is the mobile oh example run. Oh, yeah, right Jungle run was a show. I was like this looks so much fun Like I hope is this real fun. It's not all bullshit Now I'm thinking about the road to el dorado. That should be a double feature with some other Animated movie at the time I think we jungle run Especially it was like there's some really great prizes for the kids But if you suck like if you just knock good at puzzles if you can't figure out of where the thing goes They just have to be sad. They just have to be like, yeah Oh, yeah, that happened plenty of times. They got to the very end and they're like, oh, I have to just arrange Yeah, that was that. I just didn't do it because I couldn't figure it Wow, that looks I know they're foam, but jeez that's I now in chat to do the prince of egypt and then El dorado feels like a big old total shift I know exactly what this is. Yeah I don't remember right. Oh my god. They turned raven into a black woman They actually did Batman is a firefighter shed Oh, there's an idea double feature el dorado with atlanta stuff. It was like more of a match-up Oh my god, we've gotten more ai companion memes completely separate from fringy It's Oh really God we never got to finish this video. Are we never There's a person other who's desperate to get to the end of it and they are dying like harm They're refusing to take a piece unless they uh unless you finish the video that's legit me right now That hasn't been me for the last hour. Hey, look, there's no reason why you can't just add a fish bucket. All right. Yeah If it's good enough for his son, it's good enough for you Okay, I wouldn't go out All right Of what Batman is supposed to be again, it's got a little bit of woke politics But that's really not the problem. The problem is the broader Woke orientation of the it's not the woke politics is the work orientation politics. It's confused. I don't know what that means Define woke orientation, please. That's uh, that's just what we call like a little bit of a contradiction there Dude, I am sure that he would explain to you the difference between a woke politics influence and a woke orientation I'm sure he There's no way that he goes that specific side by side without being able to explain I think that maybe this was just another stream of consciousness thing and that He would say this in a different way if he had time to script it and think about it I I think he's thinking of something specific when he says woke politics versus woke orientation Well, I think when he's well, I think to steel man He means is when he says woke politics. He means like sjw moments in infinity war, you know, there was a giant measure in the movie Uh, kind of the kind of thing where it's like that was weird for a moment And over just yeah really politically influenced like a like a thing to get people talking on twitter or whatever, right? whereas by woke orientation, I imagine what he means is a Like a genuine attempt at a political message more so than just a shallow Parade of I guess a virtual He said it was like a selling out like it's weird to describe something as selling out and then like oh But it's actually like a really thorough and earnest Well, I know I think I think he thinks that it's the genuine belief of this film But his problem is that he hates it Like that it's a it's an integrated theme and he finds a problem with it That's a film that's probably if the Nolan Batman was about the idea that you help innocent people by fighting criminality And provide an inspiration to people to fight criminality if that's the idea of Batman, which it is That's completely thrown on its head here. Matt Reeves who's credited as both a director and a writer on the film He does not like Batman and I can't get over this. How do you he absolutely? Comes through with every see I don't get your perspective mr. Shapp He spent like the last five years working on this film and presumably is going to be spending a lot longer trying to cultivate a universe From like this film. He clearly cares a lot and it shows Like this is not this is not a film that is lacking in passion. That is definitely not something I would say Yeah, did you say the same about TLJ? Well, I would say the same like clearly he was passionate about the story he wanted to tell I just thought it sucks Like it would be that he hates Luke Skywalker rather than the project I don't know. I feel like it's probably more likely that he just fundamentally like misunderstood the character more so than I don't know I think I agree with you. I just wanted to I guess check Put out that argument. Yeah Yeah, yeah See what your response would be. Well, I guess I guess let's put it this way I kind of feel like batwoman the show hates batman Um, because it constantly shits on him and tears him down Yeah, and thinks about how much better batwoman will be Yeah, like like that to me is man There is there was just a level of contempt for the ip Seeping from um from that show Or it's like I just do not get that impression with the batman at all I get the opposite impression that he was clearly very passionate He is 150 million dollars to do to make a movie about batman when he clearly does not like batman When he thinks that batman is bad and that batman has to be shown the error of his ways And learn to be a nicer man. Imagine a character learning The hot even the hot take then would be okay. Let's that sounds interesting though like Seeing a take on batman from a creator who really has a problem with vigilante justice as an idea And fundamentally thinks that batman is in the wrong could still be a very interesting film I suppose he would say that he's saying yeah, but that's not batman Well, um, okay, I guess then we'll just have the different discussion. Okay. Sure. Let's even if we grant that what about the film on its own I would be curious to see what he'd say then Yeah, I I would do actually And like you could I actually really interested in the concept of a film where like there's a real batman and then he Maybe he's a principled guy, but he spawns like loads of imitators who just all like Either, you know beat the shit out of the wrong people or whatever or get themselves killed and All of the fallout of batman exists, you know, it could be really I guess um What I find interesting is that I do wonder how much exposure he's had to batman stories because it almost feels like um Like if he it's that pretty common clip that goes around right when batman is sitting there on a swing set with this Kid trying to console her about um, like I can't remember what it was from like an animated film And it's just like that doesn't feel like incongruous with batman to me that he would sit down and have a conversation with someone to make them Feel better And it's like yeah batman down right common in his stories that he worries about going over the line Like that he absolutely worries about going over the line. There's multiple reasons, right? It's a matter of like principle There's the concern if he crosses the line that he'll descend into like madness. He will never come back Just Yeah, and then there's a pragmatic concern of like even if he didn't have the moral and psychological reasons for not going over that line He still wants a good relationship with the police so that he can continue doing his work. So You know, there's many many reasons for this Well, it's just it's just I think that the perception That part of the reason why like the film in terms of the theme it's going for that like batman is solely an agent of fear it's like like He's not always, you know, like yeah, he is scary as a figure, but there's there's other elements that you can explore to that character too Exactly it like well I always say that like batman and superman a lot of their differences Come from optics because um the the thing that's kind of interesting for me is when you put them together A lot of the time superman's just like, oh, you're a vigil you're a crazed vigilante and batman's like Oh, you're a boy scout and then they get to know each other and it's just like, you know We might have different methods, but underneath we're kind of you know, we're kind of doing the same thing You know, there's something there. We ultimately have the same goal Exactly I I will say it's been interesting to me that over the last like couple of years I've really turned around on superman. Uh, I have a much better opinion of like the boy scout Good guy wholesome humble superman than I used to have I'm sick of evil superman. I'm I'm tired of it. I want just like a standard superman as a good guy Hey, what if we wrote a what if we wrote our Subversive story to be about a subversive take on the superhero genre. What if superman was a dick? For the boys America was a dick It's it really has reached that point has the what if x superhero was an asshole It's not interesting anymore You can be by the way the very end of the movie catwoman who at no point has actually demonstrated any sort of moral bona fides Like I'm not sure she does a moral thing in the entire movie at the very end. She says to him Why don't you run away with me and we'll go rob some hedge fund CEOs I was gonna say like does she demonstrate anything moral in the whole movie? It's like I don't When was that a requirement or something? I know Perspective and moral compass that she acts in accordance with but she definitely does but she is not as She's happy to steal and stuff Like she's but but but catwoman's always been like a 5050. She's always been a bit of a mixed bag in that regard Yeah, I think that this is the setup for the criticism though. I don't think the band Has a she without on a sign let him finish his sentence. No, we will pause whenever See He doesn't say back to her You know, that's bad to rob hedge fund CEOs instead. He's like he thinks about it for a moment He's like she's like no you're you belong in Gotham because there's a bigger picture Ben I don't think he cares right now to tell her what individual actions are moral or not He's just thinking about his life going with her as life continuing with Gotham. Okay. That's that's what's happening there But catwoman that's mean The generalized cheap left-wing sensibility is is very silly with regard to with regard to catwoman If I have not made clear at this but the movie's also Wait, what she's always been a thief Yeah, she's always been a thief. She doesn't take much issue with stealing from the very rich That seems to be her position. Yeah, that's her position Yeah Robin Hood's kind of thing Um, maybe I don't know if she Will not not one to one but like, uh, you think for the heart of gold kind of thing is the Yeah, pretty much It just goes on and on and on every shot is composed in order to have people walk across rooms Like Christopher Nolan would snap that cut right to the action I I feel like someone out there's gonna be like wait It goes through the whole trilogy and finds a lot of shots of people walking There's there in all films, right? There is reason to have it sometimes. Yeah, it's the starter template There's so many different reasons why you might have a shot like that You don't just not have any of them ever because it's bad like come on He needs to go more in depth on what the specific criticism is if there is one Well, you sound like you felt there was too many shots of nothing happening, which a lot of people feel Atmosphere and bloat is a fine line. Yeah, I I think it was bloat in snider cut a lot of people were arguing back at me No, that's atmosphere. It's like, all right Atmosphere the way that they walked up the staircase every single step. Yeah, it's very important that we got all that You know, if you watch Dark Knight, there is no wasted motion in that film and it's two and a half hours long This is three hours long and it feels like four I never checked my watch during movies particularly not a Batman movie and I checked my watch at least twice during this film I never checked my watch. I was just Enjoyed it twice and I was never bored. I was gonna say let's sit at that It feels the same shit where you're just like, okay, but I don't know what what are we What am I meant to do with that? It's better than marvel because everything's better than marvel because marvel doesn't take character seriously and marvel Oh my god I mean I do agree. I do agree. They're just better than phase four. Yeah He's right if he's talking about phase four unless he's you know, if he's talking about phase four excluding no way home That's a lot of caveats. We've just put on his sentence Well, the thing is is I am I'm undecided on like if I would say overall But like if the bet because like no way home's got great character work But like the plot in the world If you know, we're in a lot of trouble. Yeah, but he said because this specific character the program He was Yeah, I assume jay was just just what was he said marvel doesn't take characters seriously Um, no way home did at least everyone except no way home did mr What people are going to confuse that with is no there are jokes in the film But they do take the characters seriously as well. You can do both of those Yeah, I'm totally curious, but Like you can even have a character's dramatic moment undercut with a joke and you can still take that character very seriously when you need to Like you can still take their progression seriously We paused him to like almost agree. Like it's just funny. I'm waiting for someone to be like, hey Don't agree yet. Let him finish or something like that Well, I mean, we don't agree with the general statement, right? Um, I jumped the gun and assumed he was talking about recent marvel But even then there's caveats to be made. Like you said, yeah If you watch dark knight, there is no wasted motion in that film and it's two and a half hours long This is three hours long and it feels like four I never checked my watch during movies, particularly not a batman movie And I checked my watch at least twice during this film It's better than marvel because everything's better than marvel because hey, we saw bruce wane climb a mountain in in batman begin So marvel doesn't take character seriously and marvel feels like cotton candy This doesn't feel like cotton candy. It just feels like a I mean, I I wish he's probably talking about all marvel with that to be honest Poisoned cotton candy. Maybe I'd be surprised to say it's pretty better cotton cotton candy at this point I'd be surprised if um If you felt that way about like iron man, most people have really good things to say about iron man, you know People people exclude iron man from like the mcuism's criticism because Guardians from iron man from the mcu Well, yeah, I guess but I think people probably see Um guardians is like the mcu tropes, but like it's good in this one That's what we would we would we would enter a point of him probably clarifying lots of different things But at least with iron man an incredible hulk you can Push them to what was the the difference at that point? It was they hadn't been bought by disney, right? Uh parent. Yeah, I believe that was so phase one. I think marvel was bought in 2009 But all of the films up until Avengers were distributed by paramount and you out in universal, uh, did uh hulk Yeah, I can see what it was separate those two out But if you start separating out like no guardians doesn't count because it's more of a james gun But they're just like, okay. All right, fine. Yeah, okay Let's look anything that's not good doesn't count in my assessment that everything is bad Oh wait english I'll just carry on A fundamental betrayal of the character, which is just it's lazy writing And more than that it's it's not nice to the audience. Oh, it's okay. You know Nice to the audience. It's not my interpretation of his criticism. So far as he fundamentally disagrees with the thematic like The theme present he presented in this movie right that he finds this film's uh interpretation of batman to be insulting Um, but I don't understand how that's ever lazy writing It seems more like that it's a perspective on the character that he fundamentally doesn't agree with I think he's suggesting that lazy is somehow palpatine returned the uh, you know the whole like I Think I think from his perspective He sees it as they had a message to deliver and they just shoved it right in at any cost to whatever was happening and at any cost to adapting correctly They were lazy I Assumed Better than Marvel because Marvel doesn't take character seriously and Marvel feels like cotton candy This doesn't feel like cotton candy It just feels like a fundamental betrayal of the character, which is just it's lazy writing and more than that It's it's not nice to the audience the audience wants to see Batman be Batman and be good at being okay So how do you explain how the audience is very happy right now? Very glowing that we've been defending it for most of this and we have like a much lower opinion of the film than The majority that I've seen like just talk about it. Oh, yeah How do you account for that then you can't appeal to the audience satisfaction? I don't think than that. It's it's not nice to the audience The audience wants to see Batman be Batman and be good at being Batman and know why he's being Batman It was mean. I want to see him be good at big baby. That was that you was that George Peterson? Batman learned the lesson that being Batman is bad that defeats going to a Batman Alrighty, so that is my review of the Batman. I know I know a lot of people really like the movie because How could you even not please the audience You don't get a free pass for being Batman it's not how it works There's suggestions you get free pass for being spider-man. It's like, we know that doesn't work either But folks if you liked this video, please like and subscribe and recommend some other movies that are coming up in the near Future you'd like to see me review or just leave a comment below We get to what we get to we get to the fucking We get to pick the next page of your review. What films or would be recommended to him to review Batman and Robin. Yeah, I want to know if he considers Batman Robin better than the Batman Which someone said he did a ranking and put it at the bottom, but Specifically Batman's character. Okay. I want to know what you prefer and tell me which one you prefer All right, why is that the end? I don't know Because it for a second there I went I went hyper deep. I was like, is that him like saying I got the film Like I got you was like do you know what happens in that scene? You don't win That's what he if that's what he is going for it's pretty weird to throw that in it yet If it means nothing other than just look it's from the trailer. I mean that could be it though Yeah, I like a lot of a lot of companies do that a lot of like Content farms will just put in clips to extend the length of their videos because it feels varied enough that your audience doesn't get bored to And it feels more professional It breaks up I mean almost the monotony of you talking for a long time and it doesn't matter that doesn't add any content because well, you know That's not you would break up the monotony of you talking the only Shut up Of these people is to create something palatable rather than something with worthwhile content and that helps that aim We did it everyone Was something was epic We did it. Yeah, yeah, I was yeah, I don't know It's if it was weird to be like, you know, it's not really the work stuff, but Like politics for a decent chunk of the Not well the work is but it's the workness It was just that it seemed to it seemed to see pin to the observations He made about the film like his perspective on politics. It is woke in its own workness I Wasn't a very good video. No, no, no Would have been neat for him to have had looked into maybe counters to Film a second time though There is a sense that You know, it's like I should be able to share my unfiltered feelings without having to get them counted or even from having a second view It's important, you know, and it's like, all right. I don't know if he thinks that but still His references were incorrect His interpretation oh what in God's Shitting. Oh Lord. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What was that sentence? What was I just saw this in the Oh The Batman 4 out of 10 you've only likes it because they are looking into the future and not criticizing it into the in the present Wait, am I was that a dream that we we spent like a good eight hours just talking about the film Well, so my concern was that we probably spent way more time criticizing it than praising it But that's just because the praises were quick and easy. Did I say well the criticisms were harder to explain? Yeah I Is Bod spelt be a oddsie like a bond Yes, one music. Yeah, that'd be funny. That's like I'd like to solve the puzzle bonds and then birds and it's bonds It's like, oh, oh bars, of course Can we cut to a commercial? Hahaha Um Well, so anyway, uh, I think we'll probably go to super chats now. Um Yeah Five hours and 16 minutes. I don't know what time goes sometimes, but it ran away and we couldn't catch it. Yeah Uh, the army I was going to just say quick If anybody would like to take this juncture as their exit it would make a lot of sense in some ways in other ways It wouldn't But we don't talk about those ways So if anyone would like to Speak now forever hold your peace Now you can't say you're gonna leave ever My leave eventually Well, then I'm gonna start reading these That's what I'm gonna do And uh, what game are you playing? Well, so this is the interesting thing people may have noticed in the last I think two catch-ups. I haven't played a game. This is because I've been playing a lot of games Mainly Elden Ring and so I'm totally chill Not playing a game right now instead just just talking so we got probably one or two Elden Ring streams left With where I'm at in the game. I'm probably looking at one um But I'll probably get back to playing like People didn't play Elden Ring. I even fucking played Elden Ring. Oh, I was No, but um, you know As it's future refabs, I'll probably go back to playing some Dolphin games and stuff I just um, I'm only happy to just chill right now and read and respond and I have a chat so First one. Don't you know I'm chickpea grumble Don't you know I'm chickpea grumble. Very terrifying That's pretty spooky. I don't even know if I'll like the chickpea grumble, but I feel like I have to order that if I go to Um, you like chickpeas um I guess I feel neutral on them, you know Well, you might like it. Yeah Lord long bong of mubtlington abbey Have you given any more thought to a kong fap of peter jackson's long kong when there's less going on? Should be a movie fap for the ages. Yes, oh hi you rag sun screeches for the good boy Oh, hello. Thank you. Yeah, I think we'll give it a shot. It's definitely on our list. It really is We have a lot of things on our list right now Our list must be unfurled Uh, you already agreed to that like several times No, that's the first time I've I think I've seen that message So a kong fap Yeah, yeah, it doesn't ring a bell. I think yeah, it doesn't sound like something we've heard before Definitely not never in a million years Um, where is raw? I don't know I don't know isn't it in the sky or where does where does raw? Where does he chill out? I think they're referring to how he was requesting often to throw people off rooftops But he just stopped eventually been like ages since I've seen any rooftop requests He made peace with the roof. Ah Today is saturday. Maybe he got his account That could have happened, but I don't think that would stop him. You know, I could picture making another one That's not entirely pressable Formerly wrong today is saturday. I'm really known as raw march 12 2022 Uh, it's currently 13th for me as of 19 minutes ago. It's yeah, it's it's been the it's been the 13th for a good while actually Apparently they disagree for you. You can take if you want to debate them. I'm sure they're allowed to disagree I'm not I'm not looking to get into a fight over that Over under 50 ben mentions the white rich line To be fair, wow I would like if someone said like ha, I know I'm so well. I'd be like, I don't know. It's a weird line I could see a lot of people meeting it. We thought it was I know you so well. I can read you like You're gonna mention that line. I can unscrew you like a fucking Torah. Oh nice reference. Good job Uh, would it be unfil or is it unscrew? I don't know Furl unravel Unravel could be uh, maybe because it's rolled up. I don't know if you're jewish Let us know. Just send us an email at efab dot. Um Uh What what is our official business email? Oh, we don't we don't have one Oh my goodness. Oh, sorry. That's exciting. Hmm I reacted to this yesterday. Oh go ahead. Cool. Shapiro the giddler I uh Yeah, that that could line up Uh I reacted to this yesterday. You're in for a treat off my ass off It was it was a bit of a roller coaster of video a couple things to said this and you don't expect some stuff was pretty normal in a way I had fun with it Uh, Ben Shapiro is the rise of Skywalker of people. I think that's too harsh to Ben Like What does that mean? I agree with some of what Ben says. I just wish he would explain himself more not just say something and stop It bugs me so much Yeah, so much more could be explained and I know people be like, oh, yeah, you want it to be longer, huh? Like, yeah, I mean, yeah, I do. Yeah I mean, this is a funny thing if someone said the batman is bad All right. Bye everyone and I go that could that could you know, it could be longer, right? Yeah, I feel But remember if he goes over the movie's limit boom bad video Uh So after a few years, I'm now recording and editing a video about my complete rewrite of the st I think what I put down is good, but it's gonna take a bit longer. This has been very cathartic Well, sweet Yeah, keep out of my dude Few years everyone. Yeah I was much longer than disney have spent on basically anything to do with Star Wars. So nice Um good luck I revoke Loki's trickster title a true trickster wouldn't allow themselves to be put in his position the tv a put him in Yep I'll do you want better anyone with basic intelligence and his abilities would never have let that happen Yeah, you could be a you could be a trickster, but also not good at avoiding capture. Yeah Um The batman or the dark knight Well, what's everyone's opinion about look they they both have their they both uh films That's true. That's true. They both have their specific focus and their own Uh, sort of tone that they're going for Mm-hmm. I agree with that. They both have excellent performances in them They absolutely absolutely. I'm a big fan of the soundtrack in both Yep I definitely prefer the batman, but that's just me. That's just me Do you have a preference uh rax between the dark knight and the batman? Yeah I prefer the batman. What about you mel? I legit have to rewatch the other movie. It's been way too long since I've seen it I don't know I I prefer the batman. Uh jay. What have you got? What about you? I think I prefer the batman Um, I think did you ask this already? I couldn't remember for me Uh, I prefer the batman. Yes. Oh, that's interesting that wow that Oh Yeah, I can't oh, well he's muted. Oh Well, if he's definitely not here, he could be that he was here Um, yeah, looks like there's the answer most the panel prefers uh for the batman Interesting. Do you think there's any reason why that would be the case? Well, I said other than I guess just uh Uh a fondness for that specific tone or I think that's probably a type of adaptation and story. Do you think that's it? Okay Yeah, I think that's probably it because I'll tell you they're both pretty good right else could it be An army of orphans would be called the just us league I don't see how that relates much to that could be any group of people. Yeah Uh Monthly star trek e-fap react when Boomer metal boomer mootle. Wait, why why are they saying boomer mootle? I I don't know because I'm old. I must have said to them in the beginning. That was boomer-ish. I don't know Um, I was talking about elven ring Oh, so boomery uh Yeah monthly star trek e-fap. I don't think so. Oh, I'll tell you what though when I saw the Do you see the thumbnail for red light media's reaction to the first episode of yes It's painful and they open was saying like I actually want to talk about the things I liked and like the first thing They even mentioned they tangent into something they hate like straight away Then they're like, oh hell. She didn't freeze over at all. It's actually yeah I always love watching them talk about the new star trek. Shit that I'll never touch with a 10 foot pole It is honestly strange. You can lack all context and still like enjoy listening to their assessment Yeah, because they love star trek or at least what it used to be they were they're very passionate about old good star trek So hearing them talk about new crappy star trek is it's legitimately interesting So so there's a scene in discovery that always makes me laugh where the main character has to talk the computer through Why it should follow its own programming Oh What what does what does it mean to convince a computer to do what it was programs to do? Well, you see so she's in the brig And that and that room is blown out. So she's being surrounded by a force field And the computer's just like my primary programming is to preserve your life And you know as as you would and then she said but if you don't and then she points out Well, if you don't release me in this way to get me back into the main ship I will eventually die when this force field fails entirely and she goes step by step Explaining to the computer why this Is the scenario that will make her live rather than You know the sophisticated 23rd century computer being able to figure that out itself Man That's just one example of Of hundreds Thousands potentially it's a very bad show. I am tempted by the I To be fair, Troy did beat data at chess once That's true Wait does seem like uh star trek fans in general unhappy with uh, what they've been getting They suffer a lot. Um It's interesting They'll be getting a lot of stuff right because I got discovery and and they're making like an animated show that's like rick and morty But star trek Oh, there are any Animated shows now one of which is completely CGI and stars captain Janeway as one of the main characters as well as commander A kuchi moya And isn't there like a new show as well that's coming out like another live action show Oh, yeah strange new worlds, which is because the the one thing that people liked about discovery was christopher pike So they just gave him his own show So that's a project right with the to s Um Yeah, I've got an interest in Really getting all the contacts for all of it in the sense of like a solo adventure possibly of me just getting through all of star Track, it's just that it's so daunting, you know It's a lot of surreal and granted while there's a lot of good stuff. I mean like There is a lot and some of there's a lot of it. That's just isn't good because there's so much Yeah, there's great stuff, but to the amount I mean, there's what seven six seven seasons of t and g and there's How many about seasons of deep space nine and voyagers worth of watch two and I think that's the crazy part Right because a lot of people like fucking albuffin angel and it's like to be fair most Well, all of one of those is the same as one of the many seasons of Or series I guess of of star tracks just like times is up again, but You know, you just these days you got plenty of them single season series that you can just blast right through How convenient? Oh, yeah It's like, um, when I was taking me met through um star trek I actually was starting to get anxiety at one point because deep space nine and T and g were coming out at the same time and there were events in one show that would get referenced in the other that would be very um Relevant for the world building So there would be like a demilitarized zone established in t and g and then that would carry over into ds nine And feed into their plot lines and then after t and g ended voyager started airing at the same time So you would get references that would line up with that show So I had to like basically have a flowchart in my head of which episode of which show to watch Which time just to make sure that everything lined up Timeline wise it was it was it's a little bit of a process if you want to get like the full experience especially because the movies also interweave between the Shows as well because like the eighth star trek movie references a lot of stuff that's going on a deep space nine at the same time and Uh, it's a whole it's a whole and like this thematically It makes more sense to watch star trek six Around about the same time as star trek five when they get into like Certain similar territories and there's certain cross promotions happening. It's it's a whole it's a whole kettle of fish It's a whole thing. It's a whole journey process Fair enough I rags you beautiful doggo Oh, hello The others have gotten their hellos in normal chat as they are not cool Oh Well, don't don't worry. Don't count them out just yet Um, the syga antelope has a really weird nose that creeps me out, but it's endangered. So that's sad Oh, yeah, these guys I feel one of the uh, this has been an animal for us before we've seen that a few times, right? We have oh It's better than the fucking telescope fish telescope fish is true horror. Yeah telescope fish Um much love to y'all You guys are the best. Oh, it is so nice Uh, we got one for jay. I'm gonna wait a little bit. I believe jay is grabbing a snack arena Luke does ben know that england is a city Maybe I don't know Uh Long movie bad I mean There was a little bit of that here. Yeah This is I guess it's worth You do want to like simply saying the movie was too long. You just like you better you better be careful, right? Because if you just say it felt long I guess that's one thing. But when you say it's too long, it's like The snider cut is long. I don't need to see them go up the stairs. Like I don't need to See them walk up the stairs. Wait, what if I add rock music to it? Oh, that then it makes it not redundant. Yeah, okay What if you're running up the stairs going Mm-hmm Well, no, don't forget the yodeling. Yeah, you're forgetting. Yeah, there it is. Thanks That was so poorly done like It's night a cut man. Oh, what a movie um, you were do Best batman Oh, well, so they're given options, but they've said the boomer gen X or millennial batman I don't know why I guessed 89, Nolan and the Batman. I would imagine, yes. So best Batman, is a complicated question. A little bit, yeah. You mean my favorite portrayal or do you mean the one that is best at something particular? I assume they mean favorite, right? That's the easiest way to look at this. Probably, yeah. I suppose so. In which case? Without any external clarification. My favorite would be Robert Pattison. Well, my favorite was Robert Pattison. Live action wise. Yeah, yeah. We're talking live action. I don't know. I don't remember Keaton that much. I don't remember his super well either, true. Yeah, I got a, I can't say for sure. I tell you, it's between him and Pattison. Yeah. If we're including voices, I'll actually go for it. Because we're including, because with Keaton, right? He's like, he nails the role, but he's not really given much to work with within his films. So it's kind of, so I'm kind of going by both what they got to work with and how well they executed what they got. And in that case, it definitely goes to Pattison. I'm gonna have to speed their back credit cards before I can make a final decision. Maybe I'm gonna change though after Flash when Keaton comes back. What I was gonna say is if we include voices, it'd probably be Kevin Conroy. Like if we have them all together, live action and voices. Yeah, so. Oh, yeah. Jay, you back? Yeah. Yeah. Jay, did you see Vorche's chat calling EFAP alt right? He can be a nice guy, but I swear Vorche's audience is the reason Play-Doh has a warning label. Yeah, so some of that. I mean, I wouldn't be at all surprised that that's happening. That's what happens in any chat really. It wasn't? What? So I saw, I don't know if I have to move forward. Are you like, it's like, I guess like, I don't know why we're singling out that political community for having loads of dog shit takes in the chat, I guess. But like, I don't know. Maybe it's just because I was there. No, that's fair, I guess. Do you think that they should have named all of them in their super chat? Well, no, yeah. I got to the end of that thought and then thought, you know, never mind. Do I understand completely why you singled that specific one out because I was there? That's the thing. And I want to clarify, like, chud logic recently. You guys can even watch the video where it happens. His whole chat would pretty much like, yeah, EFAP is hyper cringe, EFAP is blah, blah, blah, but then like, he was getting annoyed because he wanted references for it. It's an amusing video, honestly, because he gets really mad at his own chat. Much as we sometimes do with you guys because silly things can be said, and if you snip out all the craziest ones, you can make a chat look fucking insane. So I wouldn't judge them too harshly for that, especially because unfortunately for us, that's gotten around as like the truth, but it ain't, it's not even close, but it doesn't surprise me at all that people in Unfortunately I would think this is an alt-right podcast. I guess that's more of a sad reality on my perception of internet culture, I guess. Well, yeah, because it would be, oh yeah, that's the case, have you ever watched any of it, like even five minutes? And the answer is probably going to be no. That'd be surprised if you even saw a clip, like. Well, that's why I said even five minutes. Yeah. Like shocking amounts of research for that. Wow, they can spell EFAP though, good for them. Yeah, something counts for something. This EFAP is sponsored by the Ben Shapiro app. It tells when there are hot Ben Shapiros in your area. Ooh. Oh, oh man. Well, they're just a lot of them lurking around. I think, well, remember when we mentioned, he was, he happened to be the guy who had the name of the show because they knew that it would happen eventually. There's just so many Ben Shapiros. Who's like, we'll hire a Ben Shapiro at some point. And it's just good to have an app to tell you where the hot ones are, I guess. I wonder if that's like a violation of civil liberties. Did they agree to this? Did the Ben Shapiros agree to this? The Ben Shapiros of the world in there, did they have the Ben Shapiro meeting? Or it's like, hey guys, welcome to the Ben Shapiro annual general meeting. And then everybody's like, hello, but in sync. So it's a nice big echo. I'm not sure what they're talking about though. What about the Shapiro liberties? The Shapiro liberties. They have their own violations. Miranda writes the Shapiro rights. What about the Shapiro? What about Shapiro? The Shapiro show. Oh, wait, that's what a show is called, the Ben Shapiro show. I was trying to figure out if there's a way. Can we cut the, can we shorten that? The Shapiro, the Shapiro. The Shapiro. No, you did Shapiro. The Ben Show. The Ben Show. I wonder if there's Shapiro in this guy with diamonds. We could call it the Ben Shapiro experience. Well, does that not feel like it's trending on the heels of another show? He calls it the Ben Shapiro show. Right, that's true. That's true. A lot of shows that are called that. Who superactively stole from him. Peter Parker is Ben Shapiro. Miles Morales is Ben Shapiro. And Ben Shapiro is Ben Shapiro. That's bullshit. Oh, I thought they were gonna say and Ben Shapiro is my city. Maybe. Has anyone done a Gotham is my city? Have they done that? Probably. I can't accept show, though. I feel like a lot of people would have done that, but I can't remember any just off the top of my head. I don't know, feels weird. The Fitness Graham Pazza test is a multi-stage test, high racks. Hello. I have no idea what it's for. See you later, later. Mola, the more I heard that England is my city meme, the angrier I became. I don't remember saying that, but okay. I think Ben Shapiro might have said it. Also, Bonjour to Rag and Meme and Jake and the Australian Birdman. Well, if you want to talk about that, but hey. You're not allowed to do that. I am. The Vivian, Gamraig, Weal or Hell or Rags. Oh, nice. Oh, a lot. Say Shamai, Rags. Shamai. It's gonna be offended for me, the French. Maybe. Yeah. I think I'm worried about setting some wrongs. Wow, wow. Okay. Tarnished. Don't hate me because I'm blessed. Tarnished. Maybe if you drop that ye-ye-ass armor, you get some maidens on your lost grace. Oh, a ham, dude. Oh, hey, did you end up playing Elden Ring, Crane? Not yet, but I will. I wasn't about to say, yes, I'm playing right now. I was like, oh, you didn't meet me, okay. All in good time. What are you doing on it, Mel? Huh? You say you're playing it right now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are you doing on it? I just started a new gorm with a big boy hero character. I want to do like a paladin, tanky, fave thingy. I think that could be fun. All right, pretty good. I'm giving a big one. Gonna make some friends in Elden Ring, Metal? No. No? They're not very friendly. Some Elden friends? No, I thought you were gonna. They're so mean, Rags. Not gonna put the pal and paladin, I see. No. They are so mean. Oh, how did I not see that joke? Oh, I'm so dumb. Yeah, it's so obvious. Come so stupid, just kill me. You sound awfully quiet, Metal. Do I? You sound, yeah, you sound pretty quiet. Yeah, well, I guess he's not gonna put the din and paladin. I don't even understand that one if I'm being honest. Din is a loud, raucous noise, like a crowd. Yeah, that's right, a din. Yeah, OK, I did not have that info, so sorry. It's not a common English word. I don't blame that's all right. Not a lot of. So, Metal Saint Rags is gonna provide a whole fucking book of definitions before you can tell his jokes. OK. A book of definitions, no such thing has been written. I believe that. An entire book dedicated to just definitions. It could be done by that. It could be done by that. I believe in it. If you had to choose one creator to have an eFab for only one hour, who would you choose? Joss Whedon, Mike Flanagan, or Trey Parker? I wonder if Joss Whedon would be the most interesting because nobody's gonna be able to fucking talk to him ever again, pretty much. I have to figure out all the questions, though Mike Flanagan is very tempting and so is Trey Parker. I think Fringy would choose Trey Parker. I would choose Trey Parker. I probably would too, but like all of them are really tempting. Yeah, I'm very, I have lots of things that would be interesting to ask them, I suppose for all three, it's just that, oh, which one's the top tier? I think, you know what, I would leave it to a vote. I wouldn't feel comfortable pulling whatever I want, because it's tough, yeah. I think, what's chat got? Trey Parker, Trey Parker. All good, Trey Parker. Probably Trey Parker. Ask Joss Whedon why Angel Season Four is the way that it is. What? I'm gonna ask Flanagan why he fucked up and ended it in current year and that's all I'll only talk to him about, like. Well, that's kind of- So many people will be watching with face and breath and then that's all that happens and then be like, oh, okay, I guess. So, Angel Season Four. Yeah, if this thing is the, they have to answer the questions and they're on here for exactly an hour, it's like we gotta be throwing all the controversial questions at whoever comes on. The thing is, I don't know what to ask Trey Parker that would be controversial, be like, do you hate that you're great? I don't know. What would be controversial with Mike Flanagan? Would that be asking you about the Hillhouse ending? Why did he write the shitty endings of? I probably want to focus on it, my man, because I know why he did it for Hillhouse. I'm curious what the original, I'd be curious to ask him about what the original ending for Hillhouse was, though. Well, we all talked about it on the video. Wait, wait, public knowledge, what did actually? They all die. Or the implication is that, I think that we have some level of what we actually see in the show, but that it's like, no, none of them made it out, but the Red Room is consuming them and that's what they're experiencing is like, we did it. I thought that was just our, like, how? No, that was the depressing, too depressing ending. That's why people were desperate and that's why they could switch it, is because it could just be like, well, no, it's literal, they did make it out. And you're like, oh, we should probably rewritten while they were making it. I can't imagine how it could be anything else without Slav Dash, it is. Rags, Monk versus Columbo, who is the better detective? I'm not familiar enough with Columbo to know. Lum, Columbo. What do you pronounce it? Columbo. No, silly. But just one more thing. I would say that that should be maybe something we keep in mind, maybe a detective show sometime. What, just watching general? I don't know, maybe, yeah, just to round out our genres, perhaps. Mate, we got fucking all kinds of genres we haven't covered, haven't we? I know, yeah. Detective is just one of, where's our noir series? Hey, hey, you know what? You get both of those, two birds, one stone, I imagine. With the Batman? Yeah. Swashed with the Minks. Wings, quarter of the day, reading his chat. Hey, Wings, have you considered using extra skin to make blankets for Ukraine? Have you considered not being an asshole? I'm sure they have, but... Those would be such gross blankets. Yeah, the Ukrainians will be like, I'll just fucking freeze. Yeah, I don't, ugh. Would you rather use the side that went in, that was on the inside of him, or the side that was on the outside of him? I assume both would be safe to do the inside one. Yeah, it's been cleaned, but it's not been plucked of body hair. I don't want to do this. It is sanitary. Yeah, refuse, I'll freeze. If you don't, you'll freeze to death. There you go then, that's what's happening. Nobody else has any suggestions, so yeah, that's just the answer we've raised to death. Bonus, they play it off like they laugh at me, but they legitimately enjoy me. How often can you laugh? Oh, is that a quote from him? They play it off like they laugh at me, but they legitimately enjoy me. How often can you laugh? How often can you laugh? I don't know, I've never tried. Oh, sorry, sorry, there's two halves. Okay, this is complete. They play it off like they laugh at me, but they legitimately enjoy me. How often can you laugh at, hey, look here, listen for like five years? Oh, ha ha ha, you smell your fingers, fat boy. I guess he's trying to say it couldn't possibly be about the funny quotes anymore. Wrong. Look here, listen. That's like one of the best things ever. It doesn't age. Fun fact, England is the name of a city in Arkansas. Seeing as you, Rags, are from Arkansas, you know what to do. It's a trungos. No. Oh, trungos. Rags, I tried to use my pooch points with Quibgift and Punto, but they didn't accept them. Is there a customer service number I can call to resolve this issue? There should be, but they should have it listed. That's odd. Yeah, it is odd. You get like complimentary pooch points with some of the higher level purchases from Punto. I think so. Yeah, if you complete the... Belch. This, the Quibgift season pass, you earn pooch points, yeah, every 10 levels. Fun little scavenger hunt. They make it with your while. Yeah, they make it with your while. Absolutely, they do. Uh, what movie did the Wains watch before death? The main picks by people are Shrek, the Fast and the Furious, Scooby-Doo, or Harry Potter. Oh. Imagine what it must be to see Shrek and then die. Dude, if they did the scene where they're walking out and it said Shrek, now it's showing, like, that would be fucking amazing. That would be something else. The beam value too much. Well, by the way, Mola, don't think for a moment that I didn't notice that a Machine for Pigs music in TFA part four, gorgeous listen, you absolute legend, also hello rag is. Hello. I love that song in Machine for Pigs. But then again, the soundtrack in Machine for Pigs is just fucking brilliant. It's probably my favorite part of the game. I don't even know who did it. I should probably check out their other work. I'll let home and then you guys are saving my evening, true heroes. I'm glad we good. Mola, how did your mask's eyes close the way they did? Incredible technology. Also, why does Fringy- Oh, sorry, finish your question. Also, why does Fringy look like the Komodo hype emote from Twitch? What is that one? Is that, that's the, wait, is that the? What is Komodo hype? Which Komodo hype? It's not in my Discord servers. Oh, I wouldn't say that I look the same, but that's a good emote. It's a good meme. Oh, I know that one. Now look at how hype he is. Yeah, man. Also, I just, I guess this is on- Oh, that one. I'm right for a, let me double check. Yes, that is him. Tim Pool tweeted out 30 minutes ago. I know I wasn't gonna like the Batman, but wow, it was awful. Oh, no. It needed to end like 12 times, but it just buffs on and on. So I guess that's a second. I wonder if he's gonna make a review. Tim, don't do it. Are we gonna have a political commentator is a wrong about the Batman arc? Oh, no. It could happen. Oh yeah, also, why is meme a grape? Why are you a grape meme? I don't mean to ask. You know, because when you step on me, the juice comes out. So by definition, that makes me a grape. Meme. J. You seem very upset by this. Man, that Komodo was so happy. Look at him. He's happy. Look at any teeth. That's, I mean, it's good for us. Not really, right? Because I'm pretty sure that Komodo is a very bad for people. If they don't have any, if they don't have any teeth, then good for us. I think we would have died. Yeah, we would have died faster had they had teeth, I think. No, I think they're like poisonous or venomous or something. So yeah. Are there saliva is like horrific or something, something like that. We've been told that in Super Chest before. I'm not, yeah, I'm not sure how it works exactly, but they're apparently very bad for humans. Yeah. Little raiser teeth, apparently they do have teeth that's really small. Yep. Those are just generally have teeth, I think, right? Well, you could be an older one. He's lost his just gums. Oh, old gummy. Old gummy, old gummy Komodo dragon. Oh, you guys remember Gumby? Oh, I remember Gumby. Yeah, the Gumby movie and all the other Gumby stuff. Clay everywhere. Yeah, the Gumby stuff. I remember. They have like PTSD, clay everywhere. Oh, God. So much Gumby. You know, I do remember Gumby being a slightly traumatic experience and I don't exactly remember why. I just remember it was. Why because he could get just like bisected and fucked up, but it's OK because he's clay and he could just sort of reform. You know, is that my key? What was the name of his donkey friend? Grawlis. Grawlis, is that what you say? Yeah. Yeah, maybe. I can't remember. Your guess is as good as mine, though I would not have guessed Grawlis. Would you? Grawlis the donkey. Would you see Batman Year One, Batman the Long Halloween, then Batman Hush since they inspired the Batman film? Tell us what you think intentions were. I don't really intend to do that. I'm pretty much. My comic reading and consumption is going to be at the whims of Gary and as whatever they wish for me to check out for the show or stuff they send in the form of a gift, I guess. I will happily have a look. See, I imagine the Long Halloween will be something. I think he's already said he wants to send me the hush stuff as very much likes the hush story. More, I loved part four of the TFA critique. Well worth the wait. So anyway, when's the next part? Review monkey. Um, it will happen at some point in the future. It'll be crazy to have them all done and finally say, told you to. Dead, a set of word. I told you. Fun fact, the recent animal of the day, the telescope fish is called rice and Schwanz in German. This Russian Schwanz this roughly translates to giant peen. It does. Wow, I read it with a confirmation. Hello. Um, my favorite entertainment podcast, reviewing my favorite political podcast host, good start to another day under the sun. Oh, I imagine that. I can only imagine that caused conflict for you. I don't know if it did, though. Hope you had fun. Mubel, you missed my memes on Twitter. Happy Nihilist prehistoric. Prehistoric animal of the day, Anomalacaris. Oh, I know that one. It's like that's, uh, personally, I know, um, normal sets of more of a business. And I can't get a normal. Yeah, I know it from monsters of walking with monsters. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Dude, this thing like is really cool. The secret just. And the guy fucking announcing this shit. He's like, Anomalacaris. It's just like, whoa, looks really early. Like Cambrian explosion. Shit. Oh yeah. This is one of the early lads. Anomalacaris. Look at him. So cool. Like when it was so early in evolution, the creatures just looked weird because other stuff hadn't been tried yet. Evolution's like, OK, buddy, I don't know this. Oh, oh, God, you look so weird. What about life as a frat party back then? You know, that was like the awkward like experimentation years. There's some really weird animals from that time. What they could be, what they, is they still called animals? Like a dinosaur is called animals, or are they just? Yeah, dinosaurs are called animals, Jay. I felt so bad. I've never heard anyone refer to a dinosaur as an animal. So it feels a bit weird. They're absolutely animals. Why would you do anything? My assumption, but I know that they say they're insects. Some people say that insects aren't animals. Pretty sure insects do count as out. Are they part? Are they not part of anything that is fauna is an animal, anything that is for a plant? All right, I guess I'll take it. Wait, but then what do we do with what is bacteria just in its own category? Bacteria would still be animal, I think. See, look at this working creature. Look at this. Look at this thing. This is an animal. Exit like it was alive. OK, maybe I'm. Look at him. You know what, Jay, if he saw a picture of you, he'd be like, wow, how fucking weird. Oh, bacteria are not animals. OK, although bacteria does contain characteristics. I guess anything beforehand are just organisms. And yeah, fungi are not animals. I know that much and they're not plants, either. They're their own thing. Yeah, I guess it's like anything that I guess multicellular life is split into the two. But then when you get single cell, it gets more complicated. Yeah, so someone said virus and not like, yeah, viruses aren't alive, right? They're not technically alive. Yeah, I think viruses are living. Though I watched a Kurtz-Gazart video saying that they're now questioning that assumption because there are certain mega viruses that display characteristics we would associate. Yeah, these are viruses that, like, I think a hunt of the viruses or something. I don't know. Oh, my God. Watch the Kurtz-Gazart video. Well, it sounds like it's contentious anyway, that it's still being. It's like the mega predator that hunts other predators. Yeah. Ew, I hate that movie. Stap it. It was a jaff. Animal of the day, coconut crab. So does that make, so does that make a herbivore that eats other herbivores a mega herbivore? Yes. Mega herbivore. Hey, that's an interesting one. How come you always say herb and not herb? Right, I'm waiting. I don't know how to say herb. They're herbs, right? So herbivore. I have never known the H to be silent in herbivores. Americans, they don't say it. Really? Capitals, do you say herb or herb? Yeah, we say herbs. Why? I don't know. The same reason we say router, I guess. Right. I just generally herbs and spices. We don't say herbs and spices. It's just herbs. We don't say H either. We just say H. I love watching The Simpsons that you say herb. Wait, does that mean you say historian? I'll say historian. No, historian. Don't say the letter H ever. It's a strange thing about the English language. You the difference between whether you need to say A or N is whether or not the following word is going to be a vowel sound or not. Not just the letter, it's the sound, right? Yeah, it is the sound. The exception is historical and historical. You don't say A historical. I mean, I say A historical. So that's not true. Yeah, that's dependent on where you are in the world again, because my teacher in school was like people are often mistaken. It's assuming you say it because it's awkward that it's N, but it's A. And it's like, who do I believe? I guess over here, I guess like everything else. It's local. That's just my understanding of it. And you also have, what else do you have? My brain is gone. Oh, no, brain, come back. Not that it was here. Oh, well, you guys miss out on that beautiful thought, whatever it was. Apparently you miss out on it, too. Yeah, I mean, I had it and then it left my brain. So you no longer have it with him, but I forgot now. Oh, my God, look at this fucking thing. So I'm just looking at Cambrian explosion creatures. This one's gorgeous. I love him. Can't wait to see him in a minute. I figured. I'm I'm waiting in anticipation. Baited breath. Yeah, your breath is baited. That looks like a variation of Anomalychorus again. Well, it's like little mushrooms on his face or his eyes. All mushrooms. You know, beautiful eyes. He's a beautiful lad. He made it back then. So he ran when he walked so we could. So we go. Yeah, I still I literally like fucking two years ago, I think I said I wanted to watch walking with bosses with you guys, because only three episodes in like 40 minutes, they're really quick, but it's super fun. I still haven't. Yeah, I still want to watch it again, because it's loads of fun. They make it all very dramatic when they go from water to land like, and this is the second episode. It's all about giant spiders and all of that era. Nice. No, I'm terrifying. I went to Australia. I'm not 100 percent sure what the context exactly is for these these. What was referenced, I think was you got this one. Oh, ever seen a shaved wookie. I have I have told. How old are you? I don't know like this is the problem. Oh, so this is probably more straightforward. I think that they mentioned well, this is not a novel of course. So that's yeah, oh my God, look at him. And then there is this of my memory is being stretched. I think what was what was the. Like too many thoughts over too many thoughts. Too many parts. Nightmare fuel indeed. Well, I don't think I was looking for a sec. Oh, it was a normal course. I don't do that. OK, well, I think I grabbed them. All right, good, good, good. You was talking about what a New Yorker in the 70s might think a future New York would look like. Yeah, we addressed that. Those were that was literally the words he said, like. No, it wasn't. Well, yeah, never mind the words he says. I trust more on Elden Ring and will buy after Elden Ring stream. OK, I mean, if you watch me play it at that point, you wouldn't even need my recommendation. I know you should be able to tell, probably. If it's for you, I would imagine, especially if you've watched all what, like 70 hours. That's probably, you know, yeah, and you are a good impression. Um. Anyone ever play mercenaries? That game was great on the score by Giocino is absolutely phenomenal. Everyone listened to the main theme at least. Haven't played it. No, I don't even. It sounds very generic is a game called mercenaries. Yeah, mercenaries. I can believe that is that. Yeah, we're putting things in. You guys haven't heard of it. No, we're putting weird things in the chat. I figured I would go. I would dip into the speculative evolution. The Ghostbuster sequel is shit. What is this? So these are like speculations of what future humans will look like. Why? That makes it funny to me that this is the speculation as opposed to something made up completely. Because now I want to know why they thought. Why does the second guy have less of like. People are like, oh my God. This is like that. This is like the Dom Deleuys thing that Red Letter Media did. Mahler, do you remember that? When they talked about how someone accidentally fucked his fat folds and he had a kid that he didn't know about and it fell out when he did his first jumping jack. Yeah, just normal stuff. That's what it reminds me of. Typical sort of stuff. Yeah, you know, as you do. Nothing. And then of course there is the king of the speculative evolution, which is the mega squid. Oh, yes, yes, obviously. Is that an elephant, but a squid? Well, you see, it's a, it's a, it is the, it's in a future where all mammals and reptiles have died off. And so like the squid have claimed the land. The jelly is left. Tentacle for grabbing. Why is that amusing? It's a grabbicle. Yeah, okay. Okay. Stop. Okay. I hate it. It's disgusting is what it is. There's a whole book of it. It's called After Man. The Sloth Man. A zoology of the future. Well, it looks like they're all having fun. Look at that. Look how the face is entirely unchanged on all of these abominations. Abominate, wow. Some of them have intricate backstories like, oh, future humans have genetically modified themselves and then come back to earth where they became wild again. Oh, yes, I can see that. Yeah, I mean, it's a theory, you know, it's a theory. I like this one a lot. I like this one because of the face. Ow! Pain! Yeah, he's attacking him, I think. No, and his friends don't care in the background there. They're just like, no. We never like Steve, anyways. Fuck that guy. He'll be dyes. Oh, and the... Oh, you want to know the author's name? He looks so shocked. It looks like a Bloodborne anime. Yeah. No, wait, the human ones are from a book called Man After Man, which is a sequel to After Man. Yes. Of course. Both written by Dougal Dixon. Excuse me? Dougal Dixon? Oh, I love his stuff. Good old Dougal. Good old Dougal Dixon. Man's a visionary. He just wanted to make Wumbo creatures. Come on, with that name. Oh, Dougal Dixon and Wumbo Land. Dougal Dixon and Wumbo Land. That's a good title. I think there was even like an exhibit with sculptures on his work. Our last name is Dixon, which has a dick in it. A kid might be made fun of. What name should we give them? What first name can we round them out with so they have an easy time at school? Dougal. Dougal. Oh, geez. Dougal Dixon and Wumbo Land, I cannot believe. Dougal Duck and Mathemagic Land, I can believe. Yeah. Easy. 1,000 years hence, the tick. You are facing the tick. And then the spell and creature face the long tick. I was trombone player up until freshman or sophomore year of high school, but I remember Jack, so here's my money. Well, thank you. I hope you have fond memories. Wumbo is kind of a Wumbo word, isn't it? Everything is to some degree. The amount of people in chat saying Scorsese was right tells me that we got a lot of new folks today. Yeah. Yeah. And that's okay. You have a lot of new folks and your opinion is stupid. He's totally wrong. The Batman theme is based on something in the way by Nirvana and is not an inversion of the Hans Zimmer theme. Also another note, the Riddler's theme in the Ava-Maria. Is the Ava-Maria. Ave Maria. Ave Maria in minor key. It's Ivo now. Ave Maria. He sure does sing that song in that movie. He does. He really does. It's quite something. It's one of those because I, because the, because that song is the Hail Mary in Latin. And so learning that in, when I took Latin in high school, it still sticks with you. Like knowing the words, you know, to be able to, to be able to sing it along because I know all the words to it. It's interesting. Some of the things you just random things you remember. They're like, hey, did you remember to do that important thing today, Rags? No, no, no. But I do remember the Hail Mary in Latin. So if you ever need that, you hit me up. Nice. I'm pretty sure I know the Lord's Prayer like back to front because of how many times he said it in school, but like nobody gave a shit. Really? In English or? Yeah. No. Of course. No, of course. We were just talking about a prayer in a different language. So I wanted to clarify. You were. To be fair, you were. You were, yeah. Rags feels betrayed by the job. Have any of you seen the future is wild? And it was, to me, it's odd for Mahler to say that because I went to both my elementary school and my high school and my entire upbringing, essentially, through college was quite religious. So the idea of someone not knowing our father is just like, how could you not know that everyone knows that? And then I'm like, oh yeah, that's right. Not everyone actually does know it. Yeah. What is that? Oh, that's a mouth on a mouth. So that's a flash. It's a flash. Of course it's a flash. So the future is wild is a walking with dinosaur style documentary based on the future of Dougal Dixon. Sounds like a brave heart spin off. I'm all about Dougal Dixon's adventure. Reach us into the SCP foundation files. No problem. You can put all of these creatures into fucking champed up. To be fair, you should put the telescope fish into the SCP. Yeah. The best part is it's a telescope, so shut up. And then it had a spin off that was aimed at kids. Flying spaghetti monster. It looks a little scary, but all right. Why is that woman so huge? She is a normal size. Everyone else is very small. But you see, there are two squid on the land by the 200 million years in the future. The mega squid and the other ones. But don't worry, the mega squid does appear. She's definitely large. We've got a bear in the bottom left there. Oh, the size. It's a mini bear. That's true. I remember people criticizing JXL's Batman theme from BVS for being repetitive, but now everyone praises the Batman theme when it does the same thing. Because I think the Batman theme, it uses that motif in interesting ways throughout the film with different instruments and how it is incorporated into the highway, Maria. So it doesn't feel old. You're always kind of hearing new versions of it. We like BVS Batman theme. I like it. I think we liked it, yeah. I don't remember it. I like the Batman theme. That was Batman's theme. That sounds like the same theme, but with two more notes. Too fast, right? It's the... And Lex would have that a really cool theme. I think I'm fine with the... Well, I say I'm fine. I like the score in both of them. repetitive versus light motif is a whole thing i guess yes it is weekly reminder for newbies that this podcast is called every frame of pause i know to be fair entry of the gladiators probably is the theme of the dceu entry of the gladiator julius fusic i think my gas is most people didn't realize that's what that was yeah yeah i guess it's a lot of people everyone knows the tune they don't know the name of it or the composer and they they wouldn't assume that the name of that song is entry of the gladiators no it is definitely not a my assumption was net yeah they would assume it's called adventures in one people assume it's goofy shit happening but it's actually not it's though it does wouldn't be surprised take place in the circus i think it's a might end up thinking this fucking kevin mcloyde sound or something yeah kevin mcloyde he hosts grand designs too many layers of jokes are happening i'm i'm lost someone get me out of here can you please stop covering star wars content so i can cancel my disney plus thanks no the whole point of us covering it means you don't have to have disney plus you can escape i feel like we're sending the wrong message that was the thing a lot of people rely on our coverage of this stuff so they don't have to go watch it so they can keep up to date with what the fuck's happening with the star wars continuity same for marvel i think a lot of people are very sad we didn't cover hawkeye after and it's like yeah that's probably i have no interest at this point no zero i don't even think we need to say that it's like clearly we just we didn't even talk about him passing we just didn't watch it it seems like we haven't lost anything by not watching it i'm sure we'll be in terms of our understanding of the universe dr strange is going to be essential i imagine well i was just going to say funnily enough right like if someone said you're going to try and watch the marvels without having watched hawkeye you might get screwed continuity it's like look if oh they don't fucking care about if yelena shows up i doubt it'll make so much more sense if we had watched hawkeye i really doubt it but maybe who knows uh but but riddle me this are there more doors or wheels in the world p.s. love y'all are there more doors and it's an interesting question that is an interesting question i'm gonna go with i think they're more wheels i would go with wheels well i'd go with wheels is because if we're thinking about more cars they have doors yeah but they also have oh yeah that's true a car has more doors where are they're generally yeah if we if we count the uh if we count the boot as a door which sometimes it is it is it i i think it up i mean it opens and closes and works well if in that case do we count i don't know i think it's starting to yeah i i would the four doors that are used for you to get through okay here's let's call it this let's how let's differentiate it doors traversable by open beings yes that's that's i think that's the the big one here is meant to be gone through by a person uh so a hatch would yeah let's talk about machines it's like yeah machines have a lot of shopping carts so i was gonna bring up how far can we go with wheel um a tractor probably only has one door but it has at least four wheels a train like a freight train that will maybe have one like wheels they have a lot of wheels they have no they have i know they have a lot of wheels but like some trails but some of the uh the ones that they have will have doors and some of them won't they are every containers well even the containers will have the containers do have doors yeah sorry they all have to get in and out they'll still have but each shipping container will be on they can be stacked of course but we'll get we'll know because they're mostly i bet most are transported by sea so let's see because i'm i'm trying to think which is more like well yeah all boats if you factor in all boats they have doors and well the most part i would imagine there's gotta be wheels involved in parts of the machinery right there are wheels involved in moving them around for sure but they're not on they're not usually on the boat attached to a trailer there's gotta be wheels involved in the machinery right oh yeah sure but are we including machinery or we're including like wheels that are used to move something physically i assume all wheels because doors are more specific than wheels right skyscrapers yeah they have tons of fucking doors true yeah i was about to say buildings so not just skyscrapers but consider just like a normal suburb how many doors are in each house house might have over here this is why i'm looking to clarify what we count as wheels can we go as really really small i don't see why not right i assume so small really small anything so if we're gonna go with the basic definition of a wheel which is i guess i'll look it up just to make sure um wheel definition it assumes that i'm voting for doors a circular object that revolves on an axle and is fixed below a vehicle or other object to enable move easily over the ground well shit yeah i'm going with doors at that point yeah that's gonna lock out a lot of potential wheeling so i think doors are gonna win now just by that definition sounds like doors yeah if it yeah if yeah if did you say that a door counts if as long as it's like a space that's opening up for someone to go through for a person yet for it to so that a person can pass but doesn't a big window count no i like to say that it's a door to pass through now a sliding glass well even a sliding glass door which is a door not a window it is yeah they're called doors not windows because it's purposes for oh yeah i know how it works colloquially i'm going by the definition you gave i would i would still call that a door someone said toys have wheels which is true but some toys also have doors would a door in a doll's house count yeah definitely yeah oh wait actually yeah i would i would give doors to i would give doll house doors the door category because it's meant to either emulate a door for the for the for a basically a fake person a doll or an action figure to go through right so i would i would credit it as being a door i mean it would certainly be referred to as a door like if we're using descriptive linguistics people would look at it and be like oh look it's a door yeah it's like well a person couldn't fit through there is like well i still think that in the spirit of it is that the google definition of that point it doesn't it doesn't mention anything about having to have people go through it because it because even a miniature door is as a door would be designed it's just i think it would be a door if for anything to go through it right so like um i don't know it's not anything but like um so like let's say you've got like an enclosure um for giraffes and you put a door on that enclosure for the giraffes to go through i'll call that a door yeah yeah i'll i'll i'll i'll call it i think that fits the spirit of being a door yeah okay yeah like for an animal like a gate like a gate would count as a door does a gate count as a door i would count it as a door yeah so the one i've got is the specific word they're defining as it's a barrier there's revolving sliding or hinged and acts as an entrance to a building room or vehicle or in the framework of a cupboard it's interesting that that's the the things that they think is worth defining when there's probably loads more but i don't think it's excluded well i i assume that most of these definitions are fairly casual and for cloak wheel usage i'm saying why even specify it could also be a cupboard it's like why not just be more vague when you're at this point you know how small is it before it's no longer because yeah because people say open the cupboard door but it's not meant for well it's meant for you to like reach into and grab and then close so that's sort of like someone going through in a way um even you know what else people say rags you know what else people say people say stuff like open the battery compartment door yeah i but that's more for a battery to go through not necessarily you to like i agree but surely because it's called a door we're still counting it in the door category um well i don't i don't know about that because there's a band called the doors but they're not actually by the way we only read out the first definition of wheel there's another one it's machine or structure having a wheel as its essential part which is a weird one having a wheel as it looks fitting like a water like a water wheel yeah well but usually don't want to put the machine or structure having a wheel as its essential part and thus the whole thing is called a wheel that's kind of strange isn't it wouldn't a cog then count as a wheel like a ferris wheel so like a circle maybe that's what we're referring to yeah because a ferris wheel is more than a wheel but at the same time we basically refer to it as a wheel i i don't think that ferris wheel either way will tip the scales too much um but i assume i assume so that i would count as a wheel yeah because i said it is it does have an i highlight this that's been around because it says essential part now most machinery if you remove any of the wheels inside it are probably gonna fall apart or at least not weird so we're talking like bicycle wheels or like we said water wheels well so just any machinery involving very small revolving pieces um like to assist like gears and could be that yeah like i'd be interested to know count as a wheel sorry a gear i don't know um i'm i'm fine not counting gears because even though they spin around a central like an axis they are meant for a like they do different things than a wheel in the same way that we would discount windows as doors because they're meant as things to look out of not things to move through yeah it can be open and closed like a door but it's not meant for for anything to really go through um really does depend on how we narrow down the definitions because someone who's on an open so you could clean the the outside from the inside the beard trimmer has wheels what kind of wheels we're talking about in a beard trimmer would it be cogs and stuff or is it i don't know or a spinning wheel but then would um would a washer count as a wheel i kind of feel like a washer i don't think so because it's not meant a washer doesn't oh i thought you meant like a what now which washer are you talking about not a washing machine um i need a better word for this i guess like a thing that you put between tightening something a bolt and a screw yeah no but it doesn't like turn on an axis so that wouldn't be yeah i think rotation is going to be a necessary function of wheel used in this sense so then because a donut isn't a wheel either that you would like eat but what about like all the wheels in the world that aren't attached to cars what i'm referring to is like this they purpose made but they're not yet attached you know i mean like like a big tire i would be okay i would be okay counting those because they are still wheels they're not just not currently in use yeah the same way a door you find in a dump is still a door yeah if your car is if those count i think doors will never be beaten i i like the idea that it's tough to figure it out but it does seem like doors is winning i i want to let me offer this for consideration that there is imagine all the cars and automobiles in the world and imagine how many spare wheels exist to keep all of those cars running um with every car having five wheels generally is going to be four in a spare yeah see the sheer amount of this the rubber and tires well one would argue with that for the doors as well right i assume so but i wonder all the buildings well i i wonder how many of those are because i think the replacement rate of tires is so much higher than that of doors generally but wait is a tire a whole wheel the tire is on a wheel yeah but i'm assuming rags referring to the whatever constitutes the wheel i yeah but those don't get replaced at the same rate the tires too yeah i i tires that tires is a tough one i think the person who sat in the super chat knew we were going to spend this long on it i think they knew this was going to happen yeah nice one yeah i'm voting for doors final answer we go with doors but depending on like legitimately if depending on if tires count i feel i might be swayed know it's wheels on nice argument idiot know it's wheels yeah hey if you've got if you've got that insight chat you know let us know what would tip the scale talking about the doors and wheels thing um what else are we talking about like come on this is this is the question of the century i think that is an interesting question because these i think it's a awesome question yeah i this is an interesting question that mostly got us into discussing well what is a tire and what is a wheel but i think i'm going to give it to doors though if again if tires count i feel i can be swayed either way what one of the tires don't care worked at a tire warehouse and we've driven past them sometimes in our travels around fuck me there's a lot of tires i don't think people realize how many just tires are sitting around waiting to be used but i mean as rick and morty taught us you know you got to go somewhere to get your real fake doors and if it's a fake door does it count as a door you know it is a door you just can't open it though like this one doesn't open this one can't open none of them open yeah did we establish that a door on its own is a door or is it has to be a barrier yes no that doesn't seem right to me or designed to be opened so if you took a door so if it's well then a tire is in a wheel well well is a tire a door how does how does that follow a tire itself isn't a wheel right like a wheel describes something different than a you put a tire on a wheel but a wheel itself is different to a tire yes it like that's true right yeah um they're they're both different though i wonder if a tire because it is designed to ultimately revolve around an axis where which the wheel would act as it's just a very thick axis yeah like the wheel is incomplete without a tire yeah so i i feel like an argument could be made either way that a tire counts as a wheel because it is ultimately what keeps the vehicle from it's supposed to be there between the vehicle and the ground it revolves around the wheel which acts as its axis so i don't know that's why i that's why the caveat of it exists of i voting for doors but if tires count i feel like it's a lot closer when someone just mentioned there's billions of lego slash toy car wheels to be fair those would all have doors on them right or they don't count i don't know well i guess because you can't fret you can't enter into like can you put well well well because i remember that there are lego like starships that had like a little open closeable mm-hmm like roof to get not a roof it's like what what are you the cockpit well like you to get into the car i think more more toy cars though have functional wheels than have functional doors direct i guess we car is four wheels it's not think of all the buildings in all of the world i feel like they outnumber the number of automobiles and man what a fucking even split this is a great question it's a great question it's an amazing question but if you consider the replacements that exist that because tires are constantly being used i don't agree that tires are wheels i'm gonna put my foot down if you did cap what would you then say is the winner i think it'd be i agree that it's closer tires are sitting about i wonder if it's one of those situations where they're just the number of tires actually isn't anything compared to the sheer number of another aspect you know it's not actually making that big of a difference because there's so much of something else that maybe we haven't even considered well i think i think the skyscraper example really highlights like the amount of buildings in the world that have insane levels of doors but to be fit rags if we are counting tires that is a crazy amount as well so it's i i think there's also like a very hidden amount of wheels in each place too so for example there's about eight wheels on my air conditioner there's about god knows how many wheels on all the computer chairs in my house um there's wheels on my fridge meanwhile there's only oh yeah oh yeah oh wait when you said there's wheels on your air conditioner it's a portable air conditioner oh right right right okay so actually i might even be like more wheels and doors in my apartment and i didn't even consider that because there's actually there's not i'd never installed the wheels on my office chair because i'm in a carpet and it's just kind of annoying but the wheels are still in a drawer somewhere did we decide and um yeah people asking about gears we've said that's not a wheel these are not wheels and they have gears of wheels and gears than wheels they i think wheels win easily if gears count yeah and something i thought about when i was asked this question a couple of days ago is the number of doors on a car because i car i car can have uh two doors or uh four doors depending on the model but it will consistently have four wheels which one yeah but then if you well there are there are some houses right and houses don't have like nearly as many wheels as doors on average but i think they might if every household if we include household objects we're getting to get a lot of wheels yeah a computer with wheels on it maybe or like i could i guess you don't get well yeah because you get some with the walls on the space right like if there's an office space if all of the chairs have wheels holy shit yeah you know because like we're thinking the amount of sky of doors in a skyscraper the amount of wheels in a skyscraper is yeah that's true if every office has one and it's not to mention a conference oh shit yeah so that skyscraper example we gave like if each floor has a bunch of those office chairs yep yeah shit point shit tight the fucking wheel actually shifting to wheels coming out from the rear can i muller can i change my vote which is losing and it shouldn't be more doors than did we say we're counting doors that aren't hinged i think about bikes on the other side of all bikes we'll think about bikes and motorcycles someone's mentioned in chat they have zero doors but two wheels oh gosh wheels are coming back man we use bikes in like the netherlands and stuff well yes we all clear we do car yep door because a car all cars have at least four wheels yes but they don't all have one in the poll it's 50 50 wait no they all have doors wait what the fuck am i talking about all cars have doors they just don't all have yeah shopping carts shopping carts was mentioned before too very common for i wonder if the average building has more wheels than the doors i think that actually you gotta take into account all the scooters for all the chunguses i i haven't seen the wheel i have changed my mind yeah i'm automobiles oh god wheels taking them leaves this shows how easily swayed you are yeah 18 wheelers think i have used for freight you'll have three doors well we talked about trains right we did the amount of wheels on there have lots of doors of them to be fair they do i don't think they're going to have trains are definitely are we counting the doors on shipping containers then yeah even if we count them that's still wheels you got four wheels for a shipping container and two doors on a container right all right i feel like trains are pro wheels i yeah i think i think trains are pro wheels yeah so you've got like six doors and you've got like two doors on a car but then there's like how many wheels per car on a train that's so someone just mentioned pc cases having doors i don't know we can count them because at that point we be you know like the battery packs on little toys and stuff you open that is out of door that's not a door i don't know if that's a door hinge compartment yeah like i don't count a car is a door you don't count what sorry i don't think the like the hood of a car oh you count the boot but not the hood oh i think i'd count the boot well actually i wouldn't call it that one that one's that one's i'm i'm i'm slipping back and forth on that one because yeah yeah i've never called that a door in my life and i'm not about to start now it's it's a form of a barrier to entry i suppose but like i feel like the definition is a bit more interesting than that right i thought a car that has four doors and a boot is often called a five a five door car i'm pretty sure that is what they really i've never heard that i'm pretty i'm pretty sure i feel like i have i thought i mentioned earlier they did it in german too oh i call it a five door that's right yeah so i look up an image of a three-door car it is a car with two doors and a boot and that's weird that's not how we talk about that and then yeah maybe maybe there's a difference between yeah two doors today and or a four door you know when i look for five-door car it shows hatchback so maybe that's like a different name for them somewhere but oh that's foreign to me well a hatchback a hatchback could have three or five doors it depends on how large the car is um like hatch and sedan there's that's that's more based on the shape of the vehicle rather than how many doors but like yeah i'm pretty good because i let me like here's a picture of like i'm getting a lot of examples like this if you went up to someone here and said oh i have a five door car i don't think they would know what you meant that would like um to be fair yeah to be fair like you would often think of it in terms of the doors it's just that i know that there is a categorization of cars that will acknowledge the boot i think i think uh someone mentioned in chat and that might be the difference is can you access the car and like sit in it through the through that one so like the picture that you have there the two-door car i can't enter the boot and then get into the car if i've got like a car that i can make the seats go down then i can enter it through the boot that's an interesting point it's not gonna have like the back won't like the trunk won't count as a door on a quote-unquote regular car but on a hatchback it will count as a door so it's kind of like right it'll depend on the car is what we're saying then is a tailgate door is a what a tailgate like a trucks tailgate a pickup truck is a round rotating machine part a wheel if it doesn't have gears on it like um likes the like like the i mean i guess i would call it the wheel that moves like the elevator rope thing would that be a wheel i guess isn't that a like a pulley well no but i i wonder i think that possibly should be considered a wheel i think i should i think if it doesn't have gears on it and it's just a round rotating machine part then it's a wheel i think that's fair i'm assuming you're talking about does it spin on an axis something like this presumably that sort of idea i think that is a wheel i mean it is it is that a pulley or a wheel is a wheel a pulley are they wanting the same i think so i don't know why we wouldn't call that well i i don't know i'm just asking questions i think if it is used for transporting objects i think it falls under the definition that word we've been using so like a pulley is right right true yeah i feel like it probably is a wheel and wheels win well so wheels win yeah it's gotta win when someone's asking we call them cog wheels and it's like i guess that's enough to say they're not wheels they're cog wheels it's got wheel in the name it's like a type of wheel right no no i mean door frame has door in the name but a door frame is not a door right we can't double it up wheels are fucking shooting into the lead well so yeah so if we feel the pulleys count you guys just feel it's flattened at that point do you there's a lot of there are a lot of pulleys in small machinery as well as well now i've totally flip flopped here i think office chairs was the turning point i think i think that was for me actually it was 50 50 my head for a while until like the skyscrapers was the deciding factor for me if we gave um i know we won't but if we gave windows to the door team they'd be able to have a fight in chat if we had if we gave window if doors get windows then wheels should get tires wheels should get cogs at that point yes i agree yeah i think giving windows into the door categories being a little round things or square things are there more round just let's not even let's not even jay yeah and it would be like adams but be reasonable jay they are being mean all right uh should i end the poll not the i guess let it let it carry on let people have their thinking we need a final answer jay i was gonna say jay it can't be official if you don't end it what was that jay you agree okay sweet uh everyone get your votes in it's gonna shut down in another 20 seconds from now all right i'll read another thingy and then and then we'll we'll do it okay um but hey what a great super chat whoa yeah cut down that's a fantastic question um i love that if i got with riddle be this too oops i'm late what did i miss oh gosh what a great follow-up super chat hey all right um deserch and stroy okay i i don't know it's a deserch and stroy oh is that de like dust de search and destroy or i don't know i'm trying to make i think they just sort of they've tangled up both the search and destroy right they tangled them all right ending ending poll here we go beautiful what it was wheels have it yeah it makes you wonder though if we had only talked about all the doors in the world like that's it that's just some incredible like just super 2am surge of door categorization that we totally forgot about well i've learned a lot today yes it changes makes you think about all the things in the world but maybe there is a huge element of doors we missed carrion every grocery store has hundreds of four wheel carts and no door i'm pretty sure it counts as a door at the front of a grocery yeah i have one door still not like a huge difference it has more than one door what the fuck is what are you talking about well yeah what about all the doors for like the refrigerated stuff those are doors base the warehouse more doors but refrigerators have doors there's a fridge count as a door in general as a yes it does for sure it has to it absolutely has to yeah but when you think about the amount of shopping carts and fucking grocery store has yeah yeah i i get that sentiment of course yeah it's just another don't underestimate how many doors and or um the doors are like you know don't just forget me i'm here i'm around one thing away from this both of those are massive quantities yeah also they're like human beings way more than human beings there are a lot more wheels any apocalypse comes with doors and wheels um will it be woke to let ryan gazling play mlk yes i i would i would call that woke culture curious what is the best way to financially support you out of all the options provided youtube join super chat patreon hypothetically five dollars which platform gives you the best return in depth please patreon it's gonna be uh stream labs i think is the best split out of all of them uh always yeah number two would probably be patreon yeah and then super chat and youtube joined the same cut for youtube they take like 35 percent of that i think i think there's a huge gap between stream labs patreon and um the others because like youtube it's like 30 percent and it's almost all on patreon and stream labs i think yeah i think they're much more chill with the percentages um oh yeah it's much more and i will you know like people i usually try and mention this every once in a while but like you know youtube do provide a pretty amazing platform yeah i think it's too many uh i think it's in some ways youtube is a platform is taken for granted the effect that you as an individual can just start up a channel and distribute your stuff to the world it's pretty cool even if you're not a creator just like essentially yeah content for the rest of your life there is no world in which you can watch everything that is available there's more content like uploaded every minute onto this platform then like i'm pretty sure it can be watched in like a month yeah i wish google was like fucking evil but like the youtube itself is insanely valuable and yeah and if you're looking for which is the best subscription is patreon will be the one that wins out of the law i think um yeah yeah um if you giving someone a dollar per month is just like more than most people will ever do for a content creator in terms of especially if you do have ad blocking on which not upset if you do i do too but if you know just just giving yeah just a dollar a month to a creator is so much more than watching their stuff well it's just like an infinite step up just because of the way i don't know about that yeah it's not infinite but um they're just being insane it's a huge jump catwoman actually uses the term white privilege in the movie it's a legitimate point well i know we know that she uses that term because we've all watched the film yes and it stands out all it was cringe we all did feels like it feels like the studio said you have to have this line somewhere and so it was just there and never spoken of ever again i'm sure what we're suggesting here that it's a legitimate point that what white people that was when we were talking about the number of like black people in the film i think i thought it was just whether or not that line was uh i the impression i got from this stupid chat was that they're trying to say that the line works that she's making a point no no i think that um i think they were talking about ben's point when he was like talking about the like the the or maybe even ran kennel's point or whatever right i've like these the these are the demographics of the film to demonstrate something about it um i mean i don't i'm a little bit confused i don't think we disagreed that that line itself was really poorly had so if they were i guess i'm confused what they disagree with us on if anything i don't know um same person then says when the villain quotes batman i'm vengeance at the end of the film and he totally changes it's fair to say the film doesn't approve of batman oh come on so that's an i would just call that unfair if you said the film doesn't approve of batman because it'd be like the film approves of plenty of what batman is yeah the film never learns it and he should start being batman it's like are we like are we doing like baby's first movie critique again like the character learns a lesson and therefore improves for like for that to happen the film has to be critical of the way they thought before it's weird to me that every story about a character it's learning a lesson we this applies to we've had all these conversations about how a part of the batman story is the bruce wane element and his mask almost and what he does is bruce wane that's not really in this film and this film gives him reason to engage in that side of his life so why is that not in line with becoming like the batman we saw in this is incomplete by the film's own perspective perception he's he's got elements but they're not good enough on their own in fact they're causing damage like one of the big things that was apparently like the big issue was that it wasn't clear to riddler the batman is not at all on his side like he managed to think otherwise so of course batman needs to change up that at the very least it's just about whether or not you think they executed that well enough in terms of the mistake being made um which is complicated but like the idea that the film does not approve of batman if we're saying that means it is critical of elements of batman's approach in this film i'd be like well yeah but i don't know what superhero movie you've watched or what superhero story or person with power that you've seen where there is a struggle to figure out exactly how to use that power in fact i would argue that's pretty much the fundamental for superheroes or genre if luke decided not to go with obi one and stay to moist your farmer on tatooine like i'm like i do you think that the film wouldn't be like ah maybe should not do that maybe we should do something oh yeah we went over how like do you do you think a new hope is critical of the luke that says i wouldn't mind stay like it's like you should never want to stay at home i don't i don't know i think it's just it's just one way that character can go and there was good reason to do so that was character driven um someone said just just clue so someone said burden of proof is not on rk or ben burden of proof is on j to prove there is not a bias in hollywood so burden weight what is so the bird belongs to whoever is making a positive claim whoever that may be so if someone is someone comes up to me and says there is a bias in hollywood that da da da da the burden of proof is on them because they are making the positive assertion that a thing is and also my point was never that i don't remember you saying that bias in hollywood my entire point was like literally i said the word i remember this i remember starting at the point let's assume that there is uncontroversially that's not that's that that's not the only people that should annoy are people who think that that isn't right because it's like oh you're attacking the wrong part of the argument obviously there isn't one right it's not even i don't i don't see how that's a problem i'm not misunderstanding let's let's accept the conditions let's accept the evidence of his argument because that's not what we're here to talk about like right let's accept his reference yes as as true to discuss the construction of the argument although i'd be surprised if i assume we all do agree that there's a bias in hollywood um as to the nature of it it's a little bit complicated and how it affects each movie is different the bias in hollywood is to make money i would argue yes that is true because every attempt to do anything that one may consider woke i imagined they're behind it not at all believing in it they just want to try and appeal to well and isn't the recent controversy that like disney is supporting um like a bill that's actually pretty controversial among like left-wing circles i don't know much about like what the bill is but like isn't that a controversy that's come out and like that doesn't do it i i found out i'm not sure if this is true but like apparently 80 percent of like the political donations disney has made like either historically or in recent years it's to the republican party i don't know anything about it and then there's well i mean there's the whole thing of like the majority of um i'm not in the majority like shit turns though i don't actually know if it's the majority or not uh so i i i guess i corrected myself there but loads of the companies who do like you know rainbow flags on their logo for pride also donate to like um anti lgbt politicians like a lot of money well and they that's a thing incredibly unethical things in a business sense a lot of the time disney is like the king of this i guess the point here is to say they'll they put on they'll put on one face and then they'll do another thing well because they're ideally if you can do both i think that's what you you try to do as a company if you can do both then that's that's good for you right well yeah um it makes you more money yeah i didn't say that they don't donate to both and i said that what i heard was that the majority was to the republican party yeah which is interesting uh it's interesting to think about yeah when it's when what is the common thing that's said now that like disney is woke or whatever it's like well i don't know man if it doesn't like it seems like contradictory manifestations of uh of that agenda you know someone said let's not uh forget the concentration camps thing yeah that is a thing they did that's basically what i'm referring to every time it's it's a catastrophe for the like the way how can you possibly perceive them as like don't worry rainbow stuff it's like the fuck off like what are you doing unreal uh chat's full of bat fleck fans and strangers with star tattoos today hi rags hello what does strangers with star tattoos mean strangers with jews okay star tattoos i don't know well either way i'd be surprised to be a lot of bat fleck fans in the efept we had a lot of new people maybe today that would be odd maybe we don't like justice dceu stuff there's some good stuff in there wow we're not like maybe doesn't like justice if this is your first efept and you're like i wonder what they think of snider's work that'll be fun i got really bad news for you oh yeah snider's stuff is fucking trash um though the good news is you got all the coverage is ready to and raring to go we've we've covered all sniders works right for dc i mean isn't his filmography yeah we've still got snider the stuff left army of the dead one day you'll see that one day you will see that when all it's glory and all it's horror uh very excited starcraft too the ghost of shapiro will remind you that his wife is indeed a doctor he didn't go to him he didn't bring it up months in his uh Batman video uh the white privilege will pay off when she finds out bruce is batman her reaction will be shock well she said that um well she knows she knows batman's white so it doesn't yeah she won't or any other white guy so i she does uh she brings up that she thinks batman grew up rich or whatever i don't think it's gonna be that much for shock to her that's her i don't think she grew up it wouldn't be as much for a shock i i don't imagine that she's expecting batman to take off his mask and it's a bat underneath i think i think that like the way it's uh set up in this universe that pretty much to anyone like well i guess you know some people would find it shocking but the predominant reaction to batman being unmasked would be yeah that kind of follows doesn't it like this this is a universe that seems to have set up that bruce wane is a pretty obvious candidate for being batman um yeah the uh from the clips and comments black cat randomly iterates woke talking points during the movie so typical of the roletariat what i'm not sure black cat that's a different character right and then it's a different character is that is that an accident or is that i think maybe they meant catwoman yeah um but seriously it's not throughout the movie or at least i didn't fucking notice it throughout the movie it was just that one line it's not what yeah um ben Shapiro has said himself that he doesn't have an intimidating or traditionally manly voice yeah that shouldn't have been controversial that should have been totally normal and fine yeah uh this is one of the interesting differences between clark and bruce clark has to learn how to be superman as he's a normal guy with god powers where batman has to learn how to be bruce wane as his batman personas who he really is also hyrax he would he would say hi but he's currently be our bead billionaire playboy bruce wane in the sequel possibly we might even see the efforts he takes to try and craft that personality instead of it sort of just slipping on uh i'd be very surprised about the playboy angle i just i have a hard time seeing him putting that on but he would definitely be i would hope he would be more active like in terms of i think that might be something we slowly see him learn is to do the playboy angle i guess maybe we'll see perhaps um watch the thread of the friday the thirteenth movies i am interested in doing an arc for them uh because they get hilariously weird as it goes on but that's the same for like a lot of horror franchises i guess in your wounded video assayist voice so like they want me to say and if you flip the calculator it spells booby uh bench appearance should team up with sauron what why to achieve what goal what is aggressive uh ring fringy edition in case of a break-in fringy is alert he then berates the robbers film opinions and sprays them with goo wait so oh like it's a security oh right so okay so we're up to the ad all right um yeah well spray them with goo why do you like the implication that the goo is harmful to human beings um you don't know that i suppose to be fair you could spray some with water and be like so it's harmful it's like well i guess you could say that i guess harmful in the sense that it's us making them wet yeah well i mean you could drown in water so you know but like it's you can drown in water like i don't i can't imagine any version of your goo for any that is cannot harm a human whatsoever in any capacity uh well in the sense that any and all liquids can harm people to some capacity sure solids too yeah and so and gases yeah oh yes definitely and plasma plasma wheels can hide not pleasant they called it ring fringy edition wouldn't it just be called fring wasn't that the fring yeah feels like a missed opportunity i guess then the joke wouldn't come across so i think if they said fring in case of a break-in fringy is like i think we would have picked it up but i i appreciate the fact that they may have been worried we might want to know because you know it is what five hours later it's fair um a few days ago i watched the treasure planet and i think it would be a very good material for an efab movies long forget long donkey kong also high racks um long kong there's there's all kinds of big big plans for for efab movies don't you worry uh things of the day prehistoric hallucinia cryptid hide behind game inscription youtuber wendigoon spay evo serena sea animal probiscus monkey city england hey well i heard wendigoon i know that molla are you having a stroke hey i read them as they are written and that is the things of the day appreciate the things uh appreciation they were okay uh plan for the boys season three skip cover for leaf out minis high racks hi well springy rags what do you guys think oh i was gonna it's gonna be like whatever you want to do but i don't see i'm not passionate about it but i i'm gonna want to see it i'm very concerned how the commentary is going to be about captain america with soldier boy yeah i'm also i am where the fuck are they going with the story at this point i don't know um for reference right the trailers come out and a big part of the trailer is butcher has like homelander powers what um yeah so the obvious principle is like why would that have happened and it's like i guess maybe they forced on him or something i don't know so i'm gonna want to know what's going on there too if you took them willingly that's gonna be interesting it's weird to hate superheroes and then co-op their abilities to really work by that yeah and this is the thing so i'm gonna be like no no no come on it'll make sense it's like season two is why would there was no reason to believe that it would make sense they destroyed so many of them that season uh but it's a fake so like i'll definitely be watching it and that will likely mean that we at least are doing an e-fap episode of coverage for the episodes but as for whether or not there'll be minis like no man look the thing is i think it would probably be able to work uh in terms of like a recording and commentary and stuff but the editing of those like i don't know who's gonna be like i just don't want to do minis on each episode like i don't think i want to wait though like maybe like we watch the whole thing and we take some notes here and there and then we talk about the whole episode but i'm i'm really not i just feel like there there would be other shows and things that i would rather do an episode by episode mini on than the boys season three like a nobie well that is more likely in my eyes but even then yeah it might be the same sort of coverage we did for season two at that point then does the thing i don't know what it is i'm trying to think of how i'd explain as well but the boys i see more is something i just i sit and look at and then everyone so i'll go and then i have people at a call going yes i agree with the oh yeah it's i i feel like i could like what like we look at boba fat and we're always laughing at it because it's so bad and every like every scene is terrible and we could laugh at all the terrible things in it but the boys is just one of those i want to roll my eyes all the time having our reaction like taken in when the the whole whale thing happened yeah that was a special yeah that was a specialism also someone just said um i know you hate this argument but in the comics the boys use the hero drug and yes but your solution for the heroes take it that into account so i think fringy kind of covered it and what he was saying there are ways to do it there are it's just oh god it's going to be bad isn't it yeah probably yeah that sounds that's something that you're really gonna have to work for we're pretty much other you know like if you've watched a lot of you felt we tend to try and say that this there's nothing that's impossible in terms of a a singular idea on its own if you got time to work it in like if someone said um you believe that the arcane season two will end with vi executing jinx i'd be like oh that's gonna be tough to get there but i think it's possible i think it's possible absolutely possible and if someone said oh yeah well season two also ends with jace uh nuking he says significant portion of zorn i'd be like oh harder it feels harder to get that one feels harder but i i think there's a way maybe yeah there's always a way if you've got enough time so yeah they're never written off i mean some but probably one of the examples of the best examples is just like uh luke betrays his entire family at the force at the jedi it's like oh jesus and then grabs the sun you know what you could still have gotten there i think you could have still gotten there it's just really difficult and you got to work your ass maybe it would take your whole trilogy to do it over that that was an um or something that would fundamentally shake his worldview or belief in his own abilities um like something fucking enormous um i think i think the go to example for luke is like somewhat like we've used this one a couple of times right the fake memories example to justify what he did in tlj um where he was tricked by like some force user into believing that he tried to kill kylo when he hadn't so he runs away and avoids everyone because that's i think that's the quickest fix for uh tfa to tlj or tlj even going forward that's not you know he was all he was all dream still like horribly tragic but at least it's not his fault per se it's it's i think it would be within character then right if um luke believed that in like luke wakes up one morning and with just the memory of having tried to kill his nephew i believe that he might lose all faith in himself and run away well it's like i i don't know i feel like if i woke up with the memory of trying of like oh i tried to kill someone i care about yesterday if i woke up with that memory i'd probably like remove myself from every everyone and everywhere i think that might be my reaction to that and i'm exactly the same person as the skywalker so you know that makes sense wow those are why we acting like the only things that exist in the world are apartment buildings and grocery stores we talked about many many things the reason why those two came up is because in apartment buildings there's going to be a shit ton of doors and then in grocery stores there's a shit ton of carts and the only wheels this is the reason why they're also doors well that's the thing there's also doors and wheels in in both you know i mean we talked about all kinds of things every door is a door every office chair is like five six wheels we talked about fright and like fucking we talked about cars for like a good 20 minutes alone every kitchen is probably at least five doors i think almost certainly at least five doors three is probably a low number of cupboards for a kitchen and then we've also got like a i guess a fridge and a freezer are often the same thing but if there's a separate if there's a fridge and freezer then it will be a separate door for the freezer compartment i was directed at someone in chat not you guys i mean i was that point i was confused why didn't you put that their name like is that just assume this is the chat for us i really like the idea of superchats that are directed at other people to be fat so now it's just like hey it's it's it's called it's just a premium it's a premium currency argument uh oh yeah so conclusion it'll probably be like boy season two probably next one i'm late over slept due to too much elden ring anyway animal i found for you this week is the sarcastic fringe head was sarcastic this doesn't sound real but all right it's an odd crit seriously it's called the sarcastic fringe head as a species let me copy this and i'll paste it and you can take a look at the sarcastic fringe head oh my goodness that mouth open right up oh he doesn't seem like he's being prestigious me yeah what's sarcastic about this creature i do not like you know nice and colorful though when he opens that up not all of them oh here's a here's a gif just a second oh as soon as i saw this animal i was like man if only i could see a gift this uh there i'm not gonna save it and then that link there the the second image is a gif you can check out of it opening its mouth kind of neat look at him go he just uh going blarg this is my big old face oh Jesus i'm actually larger than you thought initially aren't i yeah that's right stay over there you mean he's being ironic about it though he's being a bit sarcastic but sarcastic facetious and ironical it's the same little group that's complicated everything they all mean the same thing don't have me no no anyway it's in like the top five not understood words like literally literally yeah yeah the most the final fantasy seven remake has excellent combat uh chase is a knuckle dragon don't listen to him the story well it's final fantasy aka awkwardly written you guys ever played file fantasy stuff no some final fantasies i have not played seven though so i couldn't tell you uh how good or bad it is i hear six is really good um um everybody talks about seven but i've heard that like six is really great i've played one two three four um a little bit of 14 crystal chronicles so i played a lot of final fantasy advanced grimoire that's what he means by played these like five minutes or the whole game with the exception of uh 14 which i only played like a couple hours i guess those i don't play them i i feel like in all the years i've known you you've never really referenced anything from file fantasy because i i was actually just about to say i think i've played all the ones that no one talks about the unpopular one including you mean just no one those are the ones everyone talks about all the time and i just haven't really played those i haven't played i played 14 for so little i might as well have not played it and seven people talk about seven all the time in the remix i just haven't played but i mean i but i played those so i you're right that's weird as many as much of the final fantasies of as i've played i really don't reference them i don't i never talk about them which doesn't say they're bad i just never really talk about it i guess it never comes up i guess i think of more current stuff that i've played um there's a new game coming out next year right final fantasy 16 and two and three and four and tactics advance and grim war the rift and crystal chronicles on their side ones i don't even know what the mainline ones are in that sense do you play bonfire of the manatees bonfire of the manatees oh no no the best final fantasy man i don't know hey is someone making that meme like with the sound of music but this time it's bonfire of the manatees i imagine maybe so one and two are not weebish crystal chronicles a bit grim war the rift's not really tactics advance isn't it's got some of the you get you get some of it for not really they don't seem weebish like you could tell that there's you know the eastern influences in there but you just it's not weebish they they didn't really you don't really get too much weebish stuff in there particularly because it just i don't know it just doesn't really like that i couldn't play 14 because it was just way too weeby um 10's the one where they go oh right that's all i know about 10 what a great meme yeah yeah you know the 13 is the one that is everybody says is super linear i know that much like 13 is the hyper linear one that nobody really likes so that james arnold taylor is the voice actor for titus and he's the voice actor for ratchet and obi won and the clone was ratchet yeah yeah it is true uh that is to say final fantasy always very likable characters it's just the overall plots are often too esoteric for their own good i love it though if you ask me to recount a plot of a final fantasy game that i've beaten which is i guess more than i thought i stuff crystals things i think i think tactics advance is the one with the plot that i sort of recall the most but yeah there's oh final fan i forgot one final fantasy the it was on the ds final fantasy three was yeah that's the one yeah but final fantasy three ds but i think that was like originally final fantasy five or something i don't know they get released as different versions depending on if they're in the west or in japan or whatever but yeah that ds one was also when i like all right i play i don't know the story of that either it's always like heroes are destined to find a crystal and kill a dragon and you see the world or something like that it's all it's just like it's just that bullshit which just seems more like here's an excuse to have this game instead of an actual story whereas some of them like tactics advance actually have like a story and characters and they do things and a lot of them are and then plots like final fantasy four was i played on gameboy advance it's just in my mind it was just and then go here and now you go here and now go here and this happens and now you go here and i'm like okay i like the game i just marked my memory though i meant to ask bringing that question that came in while he was uh doing a poop or whatever but uh trade that someone asked uh if you could spend one hour like doing an interview with any one of these three who would it be and i think we went with like parameters being you can ask them anything and you'll get your answers so uh one was joss weeden two was uh mike flanagan and three was tre parker uh i think it'd be tre parker yeah tell him why yeah i do like male typical um something that would be super interesting to talk with him about is how he manages to turn over scripts so quickly because they make episodes of south park in a week including the writing um i don't mean it's like damn like how do you uh man there'd be a lot of things it'd be like so how how was it like making a Broadway musical that like won 11 tony awards like how was that that you just decided to make a musical and it was a resounding success oh there'd be so many questions i'd love to talk to them about their but their for rule and how much i adore that rule how it's just so useful as a uh a writing rule i have people tell me like you know they didn't come up with that right like um i'm i mean i i don't care whether or not they came up with it they often talk about it and have distilled it into something that's really easy to understand we talk about it all the time is what wait where did you guys get it from because you were babies once you didn't know stuff it's like yeah i know it's crazy but you do pick up things from other people yeah that's totally fine um i'm brave or something like i give us a break oh only an hour i'd have to do prep i'd have to like write down out of curiosity most important questions um so he'd be number one who would you pick out of the lot and the other two then uh hmm you talk about how you'd get to ask about midnight masses finale i guess and future i don't know that i want to ask about like the stuff that i don't think is good i'd want to be focusing on uh i think um i think with might flanagan there'd be more to talk about in terms of like the the filmmaking aspect too that could be really interesting um like in that in the sense that i think that he's stronger in terms of utilizing like film and television as mediums uh like visually so yeah i might i might go with flanagan wait i didn't realize so you wouldn't want to ask anything that would make them uncomfortable uh i think i'd want to i think i'm more interested in learning stuff from them and i think for as much as i might be able to learn by asking so what happened with the finale of midnight mass i'd rather focus on the stuff that i really appreciate that he did um more so so that i could try and learn something from him interesting so like with joce wean for example you wouldn't ask anything about the cancelization you probably just talked to him about like buffing angel stuff uh yeah i probably i'd i'd mainly just be asking questions to do with like writing these long arcs and how working within the parameters of like network television in the 90s and 2000s and how you managed to do something that wasn't particularly common back then in terms of like serialized uh going shill media route with his interviews no like i'd be asking questions that i can learn something from that's yeah if he was shell he would just be like how does it feel to be successful you're an interesting person how do you feel about interesting things no yeah like if i did press i guess the problem is you can't ask like those like if i did press interviews like on endgame it's like hey man so i got so many questions guys like i just pull out my list it's like so hulk says that traveling to the past can't change the future because if you travel to the past that becomes your present which can't be changed by your future what do you think about this is a statement do you think it makes sense i think yeah i kind of viewed the question differently in the it was a chance to get knowledge that was like never going to be found by anyone else exactly yeah asking stuff like that is going to be like a question i think there's a there's a more more of a like it doesn't just have to be a confrontation right you can still ask them right so when you wrote this thing um was this a matter of compromise or of uh you know i guess um this thing in the this thing in the story that explicitly makes no sense right was this a compromise or was this an oversight or what happened with it was this was all the other options that you um that you floated worse and if so what were they and and why were they you know how was how many other alternatives were considered that kind of thing if i got these opportunities i wouldn't want to ask questions where like if they if they gave me an honest answer would get them in trouble like with the studio i think that's a good point as well i think like for this like although uh jos if you're interviewing jos that's not going to be a factor anymore really well and i think for the sake of the interest of of trying to figure it out we could maybe treat it as isolated and be like ignoring that or putting that aside you know even putting aside them being made angry or uncomfortable at any point they will do so for example if you said uh mike did you not realize like you know not everyone will have the same opinion as vampires and you just get the genuine answer and he might go yeah it made it too uncomfortable and awkward to try and write it so that they all had different ideas we decided to make them all unified because it made it much easier to end the show that way like you get answers like that yeah well i i guess that's the thing as it would be interesting if i could ask like the russo brothers were you were you given like a checklist of things that you had to do and do you feel like that compromised the story that you wanted to tell like i would be genuinely curious but i don't think i would ever get that answer in real life so yeah you could also tease this information out of people without asking with like with questions that are less confrontational right so say if you want to get um mike flanagan's answer on like what he um why why he why he you know ignored a lot of what people would actually do and the ending of midnight mass you can just ask him right were um when let's talk about the ending that the vampire the vampires and the infected got were there any other possibilities floated and why did you settle on the one that you did if if there were right well yeah i i definitely think you could ask better questions than often asked in these interviews the problem is that these interviews are not really like they're marketing well i think well yeah that's a good thing yeah i could see the main reason interviews are done is to market a product i could see the the motivation to ask the questions about construction as well because instead you're not going to risk the answer of like why was this flawed did they just go well you know sometimes things end up that way that are unfortunate yeah you know as opposed to when writing a character i think what's really important to consider is you know and stuff we're just like oh i mean it's um fucking pony smasher i'm actually forgetting his real name something sandberg um and he has a youtube channel i don't think it's handy sandberg unless i'm saying oh you're talking about the the director guy yeah um he has a youtube channel called pony smashery made trezan oh and yeah david isn't it is it david f sandberg or i think that that seems right that sounds right to me um oh yeah yeah either way he has a you know he has this video where he talks about um the making of shazam where yeah um essentially like one scene in that film only goes the way it does because like one of his actresses wasn't available for like the interior shots or something or for the exterior shots or you know basically there was a scene that was supposed to go a different way and then just on the day they were filming it one of the actresses wasn't available so they were like fuck um and a lot of it was just okay well this is the situation we're in how do we work around this without while compromising the film as as little as possible and he talks about going through that process and you never know watching a finished product what story decisions are actually a result of just an intense compromise we watched that on you that video yeah it is uh yeah logistics the logistics of filmmaking can uh have a big impact um i mean i feel like spider-man no way home is a pretty clear example like it's it's obvious that film was shot in conditions that were not ideal um i mean i guess in that sense it's almost impressive that it hangs together as much as it is able to but yeah there's a filmmaking is very difficult everybody's working really hard there's a lot of pressure there's a lot of money on the line limited amount of time to work with um yeah i'm sure that there are plenty of things that just get compromised because there's just not enough time or there's some issue and that's you just have to deal with it it's it's like um there's a lot of i mean here's the thing with ryan johnson and tlj as an example right we know pretty clearly that i think he made the film he wanted to make um because like when people ask him is there anything you would change or do you agree with any of the criticisms right he gives an enthusiastic yes and no um to both those questions and like he he doesn't have to do that right you know he even though he probably would he probably wouldn't get away with going yeah actually i think my film is shit um i really regret everything i did that would that would you know tank his career um it caused a lot of damage to future potential of him getting hired but he doesn't have to answer enthusiastically yes right he could say you know i've reconsidered some of the films in the past and of course every film is a learning experience and you know he he still has many options to uh to to not just say yeah fuck yeah i'm very happy i guess it is that awkward thing right you can't suck yourself off too much but you also can't shit on yourself too much either you gotta straddle that line of like humbleness but also enough confidence in your own work to not denigrate it because it's not just your work it's the work of other people too that's true because all films it's like with video you know these are all collaborative i mean obviously the director is ultimately responsible but uh lots of people are working together to make that happen so it's like probably would feel shitty to just shit on a film that even if you even if you were the director you're like yeah if you were a director and like you didn't have the restraints like let's say you're an indie film director and you're not concerned about um getting hired and whatever place is right you've you've got the resources you need set for life whatever reason you could say something like um well you know i um i feel like i really let my actors down here by uh giving uh but with the the problems with the script that i now realize that they're you know you could say stuff like that without actually shitting on everyone else involved in the project this just taking responsibility for your own failings though right you and and you're probably a lot less likely to go yeah you know um i feel like i did a great job but you know mark hamill he was just he didn't read the lines the way i wanted could you imagine could you imagine you mean like what joss we'd said that gal Gadot doesn't understand english i mean he doesn't have a career anymore so everyone whichever one should believe based off hearing her speak but i uh i think i would choose joss we've been thinking about it because i think i would make half of it about buffy and angel and then the other half i probably would go for the super controversial stuff knowing that uh he could say whatever he wants at this point probably because he's absolutely done so um and i can get some answers i am very curious about um as well as just i don't know i'd probably try and ask some questions to give him a chance to maybe push back on some of the harder criticisms or admit to them uh which you know either way i feel like i'm one of the only people here who actually just wants to ask some questions like fully as just a fan because i mean there was a buffy and angel questions what do you mean i guess like what are those about are those like to get specific insight um from you know i mean i'm not to say it's like the one of the most influential pieces of media in my whole life i'm pretty sure i would be a fanboy the direction i'm going in this is i mean there's a question i specifically really want to ask mike flanagan about um and i don't think it's it's i don't think it's on the same lines as any of the other questions that have been pitched it's a very me thing uh mike flanagan i know is particularly interested in uh taking control of dr who and i want to know what his ideas are what he would want to well i why would you why would you think that that's like somehow like lesser oh i think it's it's sort of like more of a i'd know it's sort of a i think that's interesting like i i don't i wouldn't be opposed to ask in like trey and maths like have you ever thought about doing a strictly dramatic work that's that's true i i mean yeah but like i don't know i feel i i don't i feel like mine is just i don't know i can't put them to words i'm struggling i think i think it's totally kind of thing you'd ask at a convention he's expressed interest in it hasn't he it's just like one of my favorite favorite writer directors um has an interest in taking over one of my favorite shows i really want to ask about that what is if you got the money right as well you know if you got the budget to execute fully and make it look as good as like midnight mass yeah i would ask him where i think it'd probably make midnight mess on a doctor who budget i don't know um uh actually not that effects intensive yeah i'm not sure if it's just effects to take the budget i know actually uh well i don't know i watched flux and it just doesn't look as premium or high quality looks shit for doctor who uh oh okay it doesn't all right sure this is very much to do as well with the eye of the photographer sort of thing right like of course like cinematography's cinematographer can make all the difference plus like flux of a production i think of any doctor who season has got like the most like uh locations in a short amount number of episodes it's incredibly effects heavy that's like um there's like several scenes where they try to show multiple enormous battle fleets of spaceships which is very rare for doctor who because they know they don't have budget i think it might have just overextended its reach okay sure um i think i would i would want to ask him now you've reminded me of that i'd be like what is your favorite episode of doctor who it'll be like a and then why of course um because he specifically says he wants to write a story about the bastion of rada which like holy shit yeah i'll be perfect for him yeah i would want to ask him where he gets his ideas from just waste of a question really i actually think that's only a waste of question depending on how they respond they could easily take you somewhere interesting with that true true but i guess it's like i don't know you kind of want to i think steer clear of questions that they've likely been asked before because like then you could just fucking look up and interview how are you doing yeah like what's up you don't want to waste any of you questions you've only got an hour i think actually my first step would be look up other doors in the world look up like watch most of their interviews ever there can't be like that many of them it can't take me more than a week of just like putting them on when i'm free um noting down the kind of questions they've asked and probing into things that they've not talked about before you can even pick up from those interviews pieces of like subtext that can imply a greater question like absolutely as well that you're very invested oh it's that's the thing where it's um i just it's sort of i'm really interested in watching the joe de witz through to introduce for attack the block that will be hosted by some random youtuber because she was just like an unknown actress then it was in an upcoming film that was also unknown and it's just like some youtuber with like a hundred subscribers got her for an interview or whatever which is really fucking interesting that's that's being watched because i want to talk about blocks and um attack the blocks so jay plans for the long game his entire youtube career leading up to this very moment ben dies tonight q movie trailer music yeah ben is actually dead already the news outlets just haven't picked up on it yet whoa not with my involvement i just knew it was going to happen um hypothetical russia tries to nuke us but trump pulls out a key blade to knock the missiles out of the sky what do you what does he say before jumping into action sad it would put it the delivery be like sad to jump up there and slice sad explanation point jar jar is the key i think trump would have a bit of a like ah jar jar's all right okay we have the best key blades i know it you know it we all know it he else we do a little trolling if the riddler was sent to a normal prison instead of arkham would his cellmate be renamed the diddler might not even be a rename could just be his name yeah yeah could just be he just yeah he's the diddler yeah you don't want to get you don't want to be bunk mates with the diddler you might get diddled which is but it's better than being roommates with the tingler it's hard to believe that that's legitimately a callback from this stream because it's been so long our streams are so long like oh yes a classic reference from this stream it's a vintage reference i was gonna make a joke about ben being riddler and saying let's say hypothetically 13 but 70 of crime but i don't have enough space hi my ewoks it feels like that's super chat you wrote took more space i was gonna say i there's a better way to do that because i was thinking like i i thought it was i i thought it was weird in the movie when riddler asks what is 13 but also 50 like there's ways to sort of craft that into the into something you know uh greetings efap been watching you long boys critique media for three years now wish you many more gallons of rhino milk blessings from the dawn bad takes on anime and unspecified goo properties cheers thank you very much yeah we definitely have to three and a half now because we're halfway to the fucking four year anniversary uh we're already half you know something i've realized as well daylight savings is ending not long from now yep oh man back up very early even earlier than it has been oh which which way is time moving so ring forward yeah so for uh daylight savings once it returns i'm moving back an hour and you guys up north are gonna be moving ahead an hour which means that i need to wake up earlier for uh for efap two hours two hours well for maybe a week it'll be an hour and then it will be like two hours so yeah it's gonna be a problem do we need to move around well no because when i started doing it uh when i when i was third host and started that was actually during that period when i had to wake up super duper early i did god just i'm now getting used to well and to be clear as well i just want so that everyone knows i don't know if this still applies to rags the thing is like some for a long time i was pretty much on uh fringy schedule uh the australian you were for a while yeah recently i am back to a british one ish fringy was fringy was on your schedule because australia no i was on my own schedule and mohler was a dot it was jumping on there like a little long into my schedule yeah because mine is the more important schedule you see i have so many important things i have to do if like well coach it's just a way to worry about it we just we gotta is it schedule or schedule uh i have to say schedule but maybe it is schedule hold on well i have different pronunciations for uh american pronunciation is american pronunciation is schedule yeah american pronunciation is schedule british pronunciation is schedule i don't say it that way well neither do i i say schedule yeah but then again i don't say uh i i well i say chance and i say answer but uh some people here will say answer or chance oh i thought you were going to both of those variations are in britain as well shant yeah i'll flip between them both because i was born in a strange place called the midlands yes oh wow you always look good like an elf i get that a lot you know yeah because you forget that you had this conversation before what do you mean i well i mean i'm sure we've had what this specific one about schedule i don't remember that i don't remember i just said schedule to be fair if i can't remember it it's new to me if someone said uh e-fap 17 i'd be like uh well i would be like how do you remember that yeah and the thousands of outward fuck it could potentially be thousands of hours of e-fap material let's have a look at how many hours of person who has memorized who has still somehow retained the knowledge of hell mary in latin is asking you how the hell you remember that useless information there's 77 days envelope what depends if it's a verb or a noun envelope envelope no it really has a verb envelope it's envelope or on i think i say i think i yeah bounce between the two the point i was trying to make by the way was just that this isn't the time that's convenient necessarily for any of us three uh well i mean i am far away the least i thought i addressed all the context required the fact that i would be on an australian schedule it's it's convenient to a british average time but it's just not convenient to me necessarily oh yeah sure but and then i imagine like i said i don't know if that still applies to rags or not i don't know what your sleeper schedule is but um sometimes it can be i guess we talk about socially acceptable sleep schedules my sleeping schedule is amorphous and deviant and e-fap can be inconvenient oh there are 18 wait there are 1848 hours of e-fap so 1848 hours is that but does that counter include all of it or just the mainline podcast well i i've got a spreadsheet open and i'm working it out in a moment so i'll let you know i can legitimately ask because we don't oh god dude our longest video is a mini well it is yeah it's um well i'm pretty sure do they all cap out or do they i can't remember if i uploaded a 20 hour video for them there's the mini hatch up for 100 i believe that is the longest video technically but it's in two parts one is 11 one is 10 also when's the last time e-fap me was updated e-fap that me was updated i'm retarded it's obviously the 24 hour streams would be the longest yeah of course in spirit yeah zero split up to parts well i was gonna say i think every i as for which is the longest individual video on moola i'm not actually sure if any of them go past 1145 i think they're all capped at that i think i'm not sure longest edited one would be hellhouse wouldn't it yes though i still think the snider cut one you made should win its own category regarding editing because the hillhouse editing is much more minimal compared to that though that was still a nightmare product as well oh yeah i know they were their own different things i imagine um challenge wise did you guys know is it challenge or challenge i think it's a ladder did you guys know the most popular e-fap movies is the back to back wonder women's really really i guess that's because that's the start of the arc that was that was a fun that was a fun double pairing of movies to watch it was those were very especially watching wonder woman 1984 is wonder woman 84 i want to say 19 but wonder woman 84 was a fun movie to watch oh yeah it was it was very very enjoyable and how bad it's an excellent ad movie followed closely by the way like neck and neck with the moulin double feature oh i can believe it i can believe the moulin is definitely a moulin that was another yeah i found that the total efap time is 18 50 hours wow 1,850 hours and 36 minutes nice so did you know in a few more episodes we'll be able to see uh thousands of hours of efap content oh you're right we're almost there um those two mini movies uh the rest of the more popular them are all efap mainline podcast episodes except for one mini do you know which mini it is a latin the the trailer no star wars wrote the rise of skywalker trailer no but good guess oh that oh um mando nope something what's oh uh gosh i don't know that uh that one where it was uh the game of thrones that dude getting his face smashed into the uh to be fair i'm gonna discount that um because it's like a meme but um yeah yeah but so no uh because it's not a mini anyway but it is efap mini reacting to batwoman season one episode one oh wow really i wouldn't have thought that's right i forgot i forget sometimes that we are the internet's largest batwoman and community it will get started up suited up with me and dash try to organize it so that it could come out sebi regularly uh instead of just you know we drop you like one or two and then there's another gap next time um but that that woman will return in efap endgame it's gonna happen really worried that batwoman will get cancelled i'm fine with being cancelled in the sense that we've got plenty left to watch plenty of fun left to have with it and then we can properly say goodbye to it that's fine with me way the renewed focus on alice being half the content is for real it's a real drag to have that fucking bitch around it's such a drag it's like an anchor batwoman used to be just roller coaster bullshit hy-ho yippee-ki-yay and now it's like half the it's like an alice is an anchor of cringe and frustration and we just we long for the batwoman of old where it's just batwoman and luke it's just being and we're not going to have do grace gotten anymore no so that sucks not i mean it was a big loss for me lost uh kade kane anyway that was a i will say the meme fact plummeted with her gone yeah yeah she's such a bad actress thank goodness though because if she was good who's worse ruby rose or gal Gadot it's probably rose i felt like not you're acting ooh remember all of her deliveries are like that's that's how she would do any kind of emotion i remember that was the come on live that was really funny that was pretty funny but i will i will repost with and enough champagne to fill denial yes um i think i could be argued for either of them and call l no obviously and i need you to give me this stone what what's amazing about call l no is that you can legitimately use that as two examples you can yeah because there are two examples and they're both bad different takes that are terrible i love how people try so hard to stand for the second yeah it's so hard it's it's still bad okay oh no no why are you classic oh no um she doesn't make that noise that was just me having fun but okay but yeah i don't know like they're both incredible that's that's what they're capable of and that's what we see you know i we need a team-up film with both of them i think that's a clever idea that can be funny wonder woman and bat woman working together to stop i don't know alice except they won't wonder all become friends at the end oh fun fact about arcane the two writers christian link and alex yee are completely new to writing yes first time has absolutely aced their debuts that's pretty insane the point where i would if i was able to talk to them i'd be like okay it may have been your first time ryan but you must have known a lot about this right like you must have yeah do you want do you watch youtubers did you take a class did you just what is it just pure you gave a shit like what like seriously well i mean you know if they've got resources they can recommend you know oh yeah i mean if just youtube alone you have all the resources you need right there if you really care if you care about good fundamentals and imagine they said like yeah we can recommend the channels that we got main inspiration from maybe just right patrick willams i think that's actually rethink my entire worldview type stuff right now benefited from game makers toolkit and you're like do you believe that you did or did you actually i think see what you wanted to see from them if they highlighted something like patrick willams i'd be like all right let's talk about plot holes right now let's go on you guys put a lot of effort into you know getting plot holes squared away so why if they don't matter then again i think i just want to talk to more fun stuff creation not like that though i imagine they say i'm imagining them saying that to us and we just lose our fucking minds and then they're walking away giggling afterwards i moopster recently played ds2 out of curiosity and my god you were right about everything it's like the game itself doesn't want me to play it what's the efab cruz opinion of it um is it me and metal the only people who played it here what i haven't played it oh yeah yeah yeah i mean the the history of that was our community at the time was like well we were just streaming all kind of stuff on twitch and i was someone who hadn't played a lot of games or i played a lot compared to the normal average person i guess but just in nerdy cultures a lot i hadn't and uh i sort of spun the wheel and i was like dark souls i guess i'll play that and then i absolutely adored the first one and i was like sweet second one and basically everyone said do not play the second one and i was like i mean come on you know like it's fucking sequel i want to play it and dark souls three was already on its way out i think and i was like yeah i'd like to play dark souls one then two then three you know like you're gonna regret it i played it and hated it and i was like oof and i think metal at the time was like darkness was pretty chill it's pretty cool i like it and then when i played it was like it's just hard that's just dark souls in it like it's just those works and then you played it with everyone hackling in the chat at the game and then you were eventually like some stuff's happened here that i'm not happy with yeah this is uh what's going on um yeah and then hbomber guy came out with his video and i was just like okay this is not why ds2 is better than ds1 this is not why anything at all fucking shrine of amana you know what i'm saying cringe yeah uh i would still love to watch a full playthrough by anybody here on doxels2 it just just to see them suffer it would be so fun just to see all of the horrors of doxels inflicted upon them and i'll do it just for you more just for you like i'll play the game without even playing the first game there's a um in doxels like there are certain events in that game that everyone gets excited to see people do and one of them obviously includes like defeating bosses for the first time and you're just like yeah you did it you overcame it nice you're who doxels too for me is like exclusively like i wish for you to suffer as i did so i'm no longer alone like this yep i require it uh blood brothers i liked fury yoda from arcane i guessed i guess yoda i guess heimerdinger is who they're referring to metal that's almost four a.m go to sleep you know what i think i'm actually gonna do that i'm pretty tired you killed malchata wow chat i killed mal yeah yeah i think i'm gonna bow i say bow only we get to do that prepare more mootals for tomorrow so i can't sleep in all the way why don't you tell people about what it's gonna be about i am gonna do a new episode of metals for tomorrow about who is afraid of virginia wolf i i started watching that today and it's a dent it's a dense movie uh so a lot of a lot of notes to do so i wasn't quite finished when we started so i'm going to finish that up tomorrow and yeah tomorrow night it's probably a bit late uh the episode like 10 p.m my time that means like something for like 30 of people in chat maybe i don't know uh and also uh it's going to be looking maxi tomorrow because i got my my overlay now that i commissioned so we're gonna have some proper thumbnails now we have proper overlay it's gonna look it's looking pretty sick i'm excited to use them and yeah also expect a lot of elven ring streams still even though i already streamed over a hundred hours of it one more yeah so that yeah that's that's what's happening right now there you go we link in description and in chat um good night i'll catch you all around let's goodbye there he goes an e-fap on my birthday yay my 17th one more than i can drink also hail cast and high rags aw um i guess so um and then like a little little two two pint glasses flanging um happy birthday i suppose is i hope you have a lot of fun get high right oh hello thoughts on copper copper gander or cop shown in a good light i i don't have any thoughts based off of that the cops are like any profession which means yeah like plumbers oh like plumbers some of plumbers are really good i'm like yeah cop into gander phones that present cop and this is a good light yeah to be honest with you uh i don't know if this is where rax is kind of going with that but like i don't even like the idea of being like cops are and it's like no like there is no just different people who are cops yeah cops of people who are cops but yeah like um we have the two distinctions here right we have cops as individuals which like sure whatever right and then we have the police as an institution which i don't think any of us here really really feel that qualified to comment on i would imagine oh really so it's like you could have you could have a story that comments on the police as an institution rather than individuals and we would probably watch that and be like that was a well-constructed or poorly constructed story and unless it did something that we can see holes in in terms of message i think there are probably a lot of messages where we could just be like and it had some interesting ideas i guess which is interesting not really i think any area of any of our areas of politics right but we know much about which is interesting because i think the batman kind of does that it has commentary on the institution that can be drawn out but i don't know that it's like definitively in favor or against the police as an institution it's definitely just looking at potentials and stuff but i could see how people will draw out both messages from the film uh and i'd rather just talk about how they worked mechanically i suppose unless it was much more overtly about that which i don't think the batman was there is corruption not necessarily the police or the mob or criminals or politicians crimony i mean there's also that means the interesting thing like you know probably not going to say all criminals are scum either right that's probably not a sentence you're going to get us saying no uh it's interesting how many well first of all people who are wrongly wrongfully convicted right like it's it's complicated well i mean i guess people most people probably wouldn't if anyone is going to be saying all criminals is coming i imagine they wouldn't count wrongfully convicted people in that list even though i'm saying that we can start there then we can start moving up but like you know the kinds of uh morally chill things but against the law things that will be the next step right so but what if i stole a loaf of bread to defeat my family what if my family don't like bread what if they like cigarettes what if my family is trying to go keto but all the carbs in the bread oh no yeah and what if they like cigarettes and what if you know i consider the whole neighborhood my family and i'm not actually given what if i can sell an all price that's practically free is that a crime i think see your reference good reference is the crime to love your family i i'm that's what we do a fucking even better simpsons reference what was like if it's a crime to love your country that i'm guilty if it's a crime to steal a trillion dollars from my government and hand it over to the communist state of cuba then gosh darn i'm guilty of that too i love the simpsons so much there's a third line there like i can't remember um oh it's and if it's a crime to bribe a jury then soon i'll be guilty of that uh ben Shapiro is such a tool he should be on batman's utility belt and what are you you would be used for but okay so what's that with a family like yours shape yes it's just pure like pure salt you know nothing about my family i don't talk about okay there are a group of gremlin people who live on the moon you've said it hey hey not in pub that was in private that i told me that dox's grandma just dox me more i mooned you jay posting clips of ben Shapiro will become to him as sean ranklin is to wings of redemption we could also spam kick jay to make ben re re quote tweet streams ock you you what there was something what does rq mean oh my god request maybe robert patinson's favorite batman villain is the condom and king did you say that i think so good the best choice very well i'm gonna double confirm this though i oh anyway have you heard of ali law he's known for sneaking into places slash buildings and climbing very tall buildings after sneaking in he's a legend no i've never heard of him sounds interesting i like that do any of you guys see that video it was getting around where it was um the theory of you can get into anywhere you want as long as you're holding a ladder and these people test it out and they get into loads of places as two people i think i can't if they have hard hats or not as well but that's uh just having a ladder everyone just trusts automatically that you're there to fix something and that they should leave you alone that's great how does jackets go to help with that is right right i imagine so if you yeah if you get the complete thing maybe even have one of them have a clipboard i'll be there's a video of a guy sneaking into a security condom that one's pretty funny too things into what sorry oh yeah it's a security convention well no he doesn't have a pass to attend it i make on up it's great it's have pretty music i'm watching from the start but y'all are wrong in year one comic Selena is black and has a tomboy haircut i don't really did did it did any of us say that Selena's never been black in the comics i said i don't know i think someone said that i said i assume she hasn't but like that's just supposed to indicate to the audience that i have no idea because of course i have no idea i haven't read them i am looking i don't know she doesn't look black hmm at woman year one comic i think she's been really tan in certain comics but like consistently she's been betrayed white enough that you know any examples where she does look black is probably not unless it's a reboot or something i think you could definitely say she's mixed race here i don't know yeah well it's the kind of thing where i'm happy to say that um it's it's at least racially ambiguous um and thus she would suit a lot of casting choices um a lot of different ways i think so but i view it wouldn't do it so the only mixed race i approve of is the triathlon wow sorry for being late but i'm pretty sure moon face is from an anime from the early 2000s i saw as a kid i believe his power was he could make a clone for every phase of the moon also hyrax hello dumb power wow i was gonna say it sounds great and you have to just be the debbie downer what i thought so that's like saying okay i could make like five clones or whatever you know that's basically the power there's not like a moon what there's no moon aspect of that really um like the number of clones you have maybe they look like it's with the amount of phases of the moon which depends on where you want to draw the line whining waxing full and new maybe they look like the phases of the moon they have like moon faces of natural phases maybe that would be more you see if that was the case which it might be like that would mean like i'd be like oh okay i see why you're called that you know instead of just oh you're clone man you make clones of yourself and you just you happen to be able to make five clones which just sort of coincides in some way with or four clones right with the phases of the moon and you could be season man at that point you know or season man or i don't think there's anything else that there's four of but other than seasons but yeah so yeah um i could kind of get the riddler wanted to be an arkham for symbolic reasons if this was later in the timeline at the moment though it really is just another mental health facility and not the most infamous prison on earth yet so you're saying like the potential reason could be he wants to be in the most famous prison ever alcatraz i just don't think that i mean i guess if it's like i guess i guess if it if it was like a prison that like you know famous criminals like the joker and you know bane and all these like super villains have been put in that almost being put in there might seem like a status symbol for some people and that could be a motivation but that would have to be what's the problem right is that in the film i don't think there's any of that support that in the film yeah like it could be a cool motivation for a character but it's not in this film the only way to make 100 sure that batman who he thought was going to be his buddy was safe was to get into arkham and call him in no it's not why would you say that but it's the only way to make 100 sure that that like why why are we why help me somebody i'm drowning i we can't have him contact batman in any other way oh and i did a little bit of research i think catwoman in the comics is half cuban maybe which one um bottom half uh mother's side i think i'll i'll mean i'll mean uh of cuba oh uh which half cuba that's a good question i don't know um the the cigar side i don't know where that one got also i'm sorry riddler try to make sure batman is safe you fucking blew up a seafold bomb in his face like he's not been hyper concerned um the only way was to be at arkham to call him in i just don't don't agree at all also hyrax hello uh apiro can't join efab because it's on saturdays oh no no no we don't have to count his work this doesn't work just because we do this for is that doesn't mean it's work it doesn't have to be on saturdays yeah we can make a special just for him we can do another episode yeah springy what is the sound of emu i actually don't know what the sound of emu is it's a very deep throbbing sound they're like sound like the guy who's announcing the bad guys in dune that enjoyed the first time we made that sound and you didn't announce that it was coming it just did just arrived i googled it right now that is what they sound like excellent damn someone says that i hate you coming about arriving uh i come back and rags is talking about hentai yeah sorry but yeah when did i i don't know that one word that one time that tiny little point zero what of a percentage of time that i've ever talked about yeah well i would still make them accurate then they're suggesting what are the odds they come back and they get that yeah yeah yeah yeah up the wang my fellow efappers of the toxic brood up the wang yeah oh yeah up the wang hi i don't want anything up my wang also hello i want to point out what about what about the most valuable of what about the most valuable object by weight in the world valuable object by weight in the world it's it's a stamp by the way the most value it's um so it would be very small and you would make a lot of money for having it probably having you want to get it out your way i was gonna say wouldn't it damage the stamp by having been forced to be i imagine it would devalue it but it's not in like main condition or anything you would ruin that stamp to get it balled down i imagine you would maybe half its value but it would still be salvage worse off its value value if you had to roll that thing up like a frickin i don't even know how you go to roll that thing up tight enough to where i'd even think about it it would be worthless at that point it would be unrecoverable i want to point out the gero giro is the sound of vomiting in japanese so giro wang would be vomiting wang fuck yeah i was the house captain of vomiting wang sweet house captain vomiting wang which one on the podcast is master of elves j j that's that's not spewed i was expecting strooby strooby do and i'm disappointed strooby strooby do that tells us where we were i hear i know that part i brags i think we went to the same high school though years apart did your school have a father fred if so it's a small world hi mola well it did indeed have a father fred how very interesting oh new wojak just dropped oh i think i'm about one of the many frames of ben probably rags they did that joke in the show my gym partners a monkey there's a girl who's a giraffe and her head is almost always out of frame even when talking oh i think i remember that show yeah i think i know what you're talking about says i joined at the perfect time and i don't know what time they joined so like anytime anytime just perfect great anytime just great as long as you're here get shad for the sword in the stone if they're talking about doing is there a live action remake of the sword in the stone no development i'd imagine oh specifically the disney one not the story um i don't know i that would be an odd one for them to remake i think we're getting three pinocchio movies including a disney remake we are the one i'm most looking forward to is the stop motion uh yeah um did i miss something did pinocchio become a really profitable ip recently or is why is it just that multiple people at the same time decided they wanted to make it it's like the prism is in the illusionist oh you're talking about the one where he's got the horrible voice actor they would they would compete at the yeah oh i saw that was really funny that was really funny yeah surely they would compete rather than cross promoting each other like loads of films about the same well what i'm saying is trans morphers and stuff like that where they're like they put these movies in production specifically to try and hope that people get confused and buy them i doubt it no that's real i'm saying i doubt that's what happened here because they're all like really high profile creators i'm pretty sure and they're also very yeah because uh the disney one's robert zemeckis and the the netflix one is del Toro one is live action one is uh stop motion wait why haven't you talked about the awesome animated one with the funny voice come on i i don't know i figured that there was nothing that needed to be said about that one oh i reckon that'll be the best of the three i like you know wikipedia it is there is pinocchio the 2022 animated film versus the 2022 live action film because they're both coming out this year it's the chinese year of the pinocchio but that's going to be annoying to refer to like them separately isn't it also are they both they're both so oh so uh the the disney one's coming out in september del toros is coming out in december so that won't be tom hanks is playing uh is it do you pronounce it jepetto jepetto jepetto um and then who are the voice actors pinoc I don't recognize that name joseph joseph gordon levitt as jiminy cricket keegan michael key has uh as a honest john worthington foul fellow so who's playing well who's chris pratt playing i wonder if i'll make him a hi i i doesn't say i guess i must be hiding what role he's in chris pratt is pinocchio do it i wonder if they have chris pratt as pinocchio but it's like just chris pratt it's not a wooden puppet it's just chris pratt and everyone just acts as if he's a wooden puppet but he's just he's just there being himself ah there are so many live action like you look at that upcoming list of them peter pan and wendy pinocchio the little mermaid snow white and that's not all of them pan and wendy is the title yeah that's the name of the snow pietro pan i was going to say because that's i would thought for a second there was not an attempt to try and give it its own name versus the other but it's like well they don't do that with the other ones do they are they just gonna uh they don't like the amazing kick-ass hero oc hmm well i call that was hero when he's in the original story so i guess it's just maybe should be more important than this one maybe uh if making her more important would be yeah that could always make her more important i mean you could always make her more important i guess but the upcoming list of uh of stuff that they're working on they got the little mermaid jungle book sequel lion king sequel snow white hunchback Aladdin sequel bambi hercules cruel a sequel and bambi are they gonna are they gonna pull this thing as lion king oh the live action bambi like no none of it is well i i mean almost certainly right i i don't know oh and also they are remaking sword and the stone but that's only on disney plus and they're remaking robin hood that doesn't surprise that okay so i'm i'm not i guess if it's only on disney plus i'm not a surprise about sword and the stone because they're not going to risk that bankrupting them a second time but robin hood wait no it wasn't it wasn't sword and the stone wasn't the black cauldron oh yeah black cauldron that was it i just confused him for a moment they're never remaking the black cauldron but i wouldn't put a passman they're remade the great mass detective in live action meaning are they well no i'm just saying i wouldn't put a pasta with this oh good the song of the sound remake when nice oh and also that they are uh i'm pretty sure they're already doing like lilo and stitch as a like disney plus film as well zippity do does you know it's only matter of time till that comfort treasure planet i'm um i'm excited about cruela too because it means we'll have an excuse to see the live action sequel of in the 90s uh that fucking movie 102 dalmatians with glenn close it's a it's a ride really look at the clips i needed to find when we were first editing i had completely forgotten the kind of crazy fucking nonsense that happens in that movie it's going to be so much fun cruela too on the other hand will likely be miserable you know probably complained when they not only gender but but also species swapped captain smollett for um treasure planet no one cared no no one was fine with that so anyway yeah that rags will you have a discussion on horizon forbidden west floors in will building i would love to hear your take on how technology impacts societies i don't have any interest in that game whatsoever so well none of us have playstation fives right also no one has a playstation five kind of funny that that's not even a thought i had at all oh yeah like i just i was just like yeah none of us have talked at all about horizon really so everybody's been talking about old and ring that's been uh yep yeah i just got i don't know if that's bad or good or i don't know anything about it i saw i've seen commercials for it on the television set but i i have i don't know anything about the game or if it's good or bad or all i all i know is that it's not elden ring drinker decided to grab horizon and uh stream it as a big like hey new game big games have a chat about it and he's talking about how like yeah it feels like elden ring is eclipse that game it's the point of i i should have just played elden rake it's like i mean it doesn't depend on what you're into well yeah um he was talking about like how there are similarities obviously and then the devs being like salty as fuck about elden ring about things that's when you released it you should have known better i don't know what to say yeah well uh i guess all i'm saying is just like i think he intends to try and finish horizon before starting elden ring and it's just like like um long uh horizon i i don't know how long does the first one take to be i don't know i'm not sure just generally those games are not it's like super long i have no idea like i have no right you could have told me that it's 10 hours 50 hours 100 hours i wouldn't length uh let's see oh wow this is saying it's around 25 to 35 hours is that surprisingly long or short do you i it feels like it wouldn't be that long honestly with the little i know about the game that sounded short but i guess that really shows how much i don't know about it because obviously elden rings average completion time estimate for the average person i think was it 70 hours 70 wow well mel's clocked in 100 trying to get just a lot of the bosses that game that game is fucking enormous i don't know if there's like more content that's been released in a game before there probably is competitors for it it's just that it's definitely up there one of the most content rich games you've ever played chat would gta 5 be up there um red different dimension 2 is pretty enormous yeah yeah grant them a file i feel like new baby is like technically but how much of it are you actually like are you really gonna play tennis you know well i guess it's neat that it's an option yeah it's gotta count i guess yeah but it's a weird one because i because i'm i'm forever like i remember when grand theft auto games had like in-game content shall we say so i it's it's weird to think about how much content's really in it it's weird it's a weird one to kind of tally up because it's not like you could just make a list because so much of it just seems like of course you're not gonna like how many people are gonna go mountain biking in gta he's like i guess some people will you know but like you wonder how much is that worth people say in minecraft i think that's fair uh the huge boy terrarium probably league of legends probably counts yeah lots of characters i don't know if we can count multiplayer because that would only just uh well yeah i guess it's complicated sort of i guess it depends on we take the multiplayer aspect of maps and depth of mechanics and the content in multiplayer because if it's only if it's like halo infinite multiplayer where it's like okay i like i've just burned through this so quick and i just feel like i'm done with it versus i go you mean like yeah we got progression systems but also just options to play things it's not necessarily how much time you're spending but how many how much depth yeah like if you were weighing up halo three versus halo infinite multiplayer you're like one of them just just flat out has way more shit in it than the other yeah in that case yeah league of legends would probably score high in terms of you know there's a shit ton of characters in each of them all of different mechanics and then all the items collect on them differently in variables and then the maps are all different for variable you know i put a lot of games that applies to oh fallout 76 hey rax remember when you reviewed that i do fucking shout out you gave it a big poo it was a big poo game that game was a that was a few games that i the glitches were so varied and interesting and common that i kept playing because of the glitches they were so fascinating where are we here donating because the tangents and memes are best parts of ifa don't ever change your massives hello rags moobles and fringle and everyone else hello yo well i'm glad to enjoy the tangents because we do as well fuck yeah and there were there were a few there were a few here and there one or two right superman but he's pro second amendment i feel like that's wouldn't he have to be pro second amendment i imagine so with with how he uses his i don't know i can get up an image of of that if you want that him being pro second amendment oh what what if if if want somebody wanted extreme visualization of that super zoos or i guess that's just zoos gun zoos yeah it's meant to be just clock in the far future the far future of world war two limited by the technology of mortals so that is well there is like twin clones of hitler in this comic ah of course pretty bad there's a reason why i tend to roll my eyes at this thing has mcu humor thus bad being used as a serious criticism these days as if that style of humor is inherently bad writing yeah all that the mcu came up with it it's all it's all yeah the mcu invented it and all of it is just lumped together it's only one kind of thing it's not like every film is different it's all the same thing it's all just the same gray sludge it's all just superhero stuff and that's it the weird part to me man is that a lot of people who would say that are still like the people who celebrate the fuck out of each one that comes out i'm talking about like the twitter people who are like oh it is kind of sucky that everything is the same though lowkey was incredible uh eternals wow what a vision um you know falcon the winter soldier just had so much to say and it's a really nice way for a tv show to go oh my god wander vision that was just what a brand new thing to bring to the mcu so refreshing but it's all sludge it's like what what do you mean it's like oh the batman see that's a visual marvel uh but everything in marvel up to this point it's kind of been overshadowed by and it's like are you the same people who fucking adore everything that comes out from marvel i'm confused i don't understand um and then if they're like you know another movie like red notice feel like our mcu humor in it i suppose you can forgive them in the sense that it's the most popular and common thing so you might just use it to translate the idea quickly to someone else like the mcu maybe people don't expect it to be defended when they sort of say that kind of thing i'm very curious about guardians three and thought love and thunder i wonder how they will they will fit in or not to this formula oh well i mean dr strange right everybody's talking about the cinematography and the lining and stuff yeah and i think there's a lot of valid points to be made about comparisons and stuff i just yeah that writing man that's what i'm really concerned about you can only paint up a turd so much so better not be a turd it's technically not true you can just keep painting over the paint forever i suppose that's true it could just be a big ball of paint i suppose you expend all of the cosmos's supply of paint i suppose would be the limit and at the core of that galaxy sized paint ball would still be a turd yeah there's still just a poo it'd be so big no people will tell stories what's at the what is it we're painting again oh the legends say that da da da people would grow up their entire lives painting repainting repaint over and over and over and eventually people forget like it's like how people in stars battle star galactica they don't know where earth is or something like that and so they're looking around for it it's like what where where was the original thing that was painted like oh i it's in there somewhere but no one knows what it really was some people say it was a marble some people say it was a diamond some people say you know it's this who knows really it's been so long all we really prefer the idea that what's left in the middle of there is a poo from the simpsons and you just strip it open like it's animated he's just there being nice and wholesome and happy oh a poo i see oh yeah i thought he meant something else because that's his name you know it's a poo check out kyle dunnegan for some good shepiro comedy oh is that the guy who does impressions of him sing songs i can just check out ben shepiro for some good ben shepiro comedy i do not know who's how dunnegan is it might be what they said i don't know uh here's today's prehistoric animal the oris haki day oris host it's really nice then i will look at it uh so for oh is it forest raqis or forest raqidae so i think that might be a species of bird yeah it looks like it's a big uh yeah let me get a picture of it here get a good one i think it was in the first episode of walking with beasts um and then later on uh scientists found out that the predatory bird in that episode which was forest raqis is actually probably a nut eater and not a oh no wait no wait those are the terra birds those are definitely carnivores so you're forest raqis i'm thinking of the other you're loving the terra birds oh yeah no that makes sense they're like like they're on like they don't fly they're terra birds oh i get it yeah oh i'm saying i love it regardless of what the naming was done for terra birds just sounds cool like pterodactyl sounds fucking fantastic it's true i love that they have little claws just sticking out of their wings they've still got that dinosaur ancestry there ringing as you are an african-american living in australia is at lanta compton or detroit your real city also high rags hello you you cut that all wrong yeah england is his city fringy is disgusted with his own heritage and i find that appalling that's not true you liar unbelievable you made that sound you made that sound like you really don't be in and you are disgusted with it he can only hide it for so long in his heart and you just can't after she is killed by the house is olivia in her right mind how much influence does the house have over her by the end you think it's unclear in your questions unclear this is the thing if someone wants to appeal to isn't it better that they don't explain it i'd be like well no because i can't come up with many explanations that can really match everything i would appreciate a little bit more information there are some things where it's cool to not have an explanation and not quite know everything but some things i really feel like it needs to make some level of sense yeah well i mean the things where you don't need an explanation are the ones where there are loads of potential explanations that make sense but they but that the information that we're missing doesn't influence the story right or is um not relevant to the story being told like chronicle is the perfect example for this where the start of the movie is they just go underground and find this weird thing that is never explained it's like this weird glowing spacey thing and a movie that doesn't have any other sci-fi elements other than the impact of the weird glowy spacey thing never explain what it is and you can just interpret what you think it is like a crashed alien spaceship or a weird supernatural being or you know whatever right it's up to you but what it is doesn't doesn't impact the story it's the effects that it has in uh impacts the story how i just slam my elbow is at the desk cool watch the noise of that come through by the way no no really no just your cry of pain watch superman versus the elite and batman under the red hood they're good do it i have seen batman under the red hood i love both those movies as superman versus the elite might be my favorite superman film it's basically the anti-zack snider superman film wow mine is man of steel you're a zack snider anti to the end yeah i like it i like how he uh the city goes boom and the aliens punch each other and they explode in the train and then they fly into space and then he does jesus in the spaceship and then he saves the the people and then there's an explosion and then the army comes it sounds pretty good yeah great it's really cool when y'all do the efap dinosaur arc is with the walking with series going to be on it hello again rags did we plan a dinosaur arc oh my god that sounded just like mr frog i was yawning while i said that because i'm a fucking dog tired and it just came out sounding like mr frog i don't know you know i don't know what to tell you that's the result of that action impressions so amazing they happened by accident what can i say well can you do the next fight and turn off the scream in a in a mr frog voice please i think a dinosaur arc would be interesting depending if we because we could get good variety we could get like maybe the the first land before time and dinosaur and there's probably some interesting ones that we could get a good variety i i think that's a potential in the future i'd be interested in oh i guess we were going to do the Jurassic uh arc oh the Jurassic part i have a theory for Jurassic will dominion the reason why the dinosaurs are chasing our heroes is that their mind controlled and they're either being used for a the military or be game hunting can we not mind controlled oh my goodness gracious i swear to god if if they're controlling the minds of the dinosaur fuck they should have done that to begin with if they have a lot of fucking trouble some fucking new dinosaur right and it's immune to bullets because it has steel skin or some ships stop why did we make this again surely that would be less stupid though less stupid that would be less stupid than just dinosaurs survive somehow well uh i guess like the idea being that they're all let loose and you have to deal with it is fine up until they tell us no they've been around for like decades now or some sure i don't even know how many years have passed how dumb that is um it's like um but telling me will they all survive because they have metal skin i'd be like what it is definitely a battle of which is the less stupid option and i just fundamentally like i guess with the dinosaurs are just surviving and reproducing and they have become a major threat to society it's like i don't buy that on any level i don't buy that they are you know they're sustaining themselves they're staying alive that they couldn't just all be shot and that they represent a serious threat because of course soon as soon as they arrive they just get shot whereas if you get suit if you just give them fucking whatever superpowers with whatever bullshit explanation that in itself is a really stupid thing but as soon as you're over that hurdle you could have internal consistency within the actual story i'm glad that Jurassic Park has evolved into a series where it's just like oh which option would be the least stupid right right which option do you think would be the least stupid oh i think that the dinosaurs just being able to survive and thrive without human stopping them involves a lot more incompetence on a global scale because i could see why they would make a steel skin dinosaur if the whole point was to give them military purpose like that makes some level of sense you know literally just have it be so the opening is some fucking guy who's like yeah i want to cause problems and then he creates all of these well he was our dinosaur right there dinosaur describing the beginning of basically all stories world war d as soon as we get over that stupid as fuck hurdle then we could have an internally consistent story in the same way that like in the side of the world in the same way of like you know no way home where we as soon as we get over the initial hurdle of stupid we have a mostly internally consistent story you're never gonna get that from Jurassic Park anymore well i know that but surely that would be better than something that's stupid the whole something that's not consistent at any moment within its script maybe that's why i'm so averse to it because i just assume that the way they'll talk about can you imagine if they were like you gave metal skin to a dinosaur how it's like well you know that truck over there i put that in a frog and then the frog fuck the dinosaur i can find the dinosaurs with truck DNA and then it'll be like oh no we've lost control and then turning on us you know we was we was so wrong to think we could control nature oh no oh it happened again oh could you believe it dang wow i can't believe oh no darn ah geez that's bad oh no walking with monsters efab movies please please please please please that's that's not that's on the cards there's plenty of it for us to comment on on those things and i don't even know if they would have copyright on them at this point that should be the subtitle of every efab where we cover a movie bob what walking with monsters walking with monsters we're very nice you're like the only dinosaur that i could i could believe could survive in the modern days the pterodactyls and the other flying ones because at least they can they have those aren't dinosaur jay they're pterosaurs at least they have the mobility and they can probably you know it's going to be very hard to track where all of them are and i doubt that you could easily exterminate them all um on purpose because yeah by accident like all the other fucking i guess i guess what you'd have to have is you'd have to have some of them escaped to a remote location where no one knows they are they breed like crazy there and then the population is too large to control realistically the little rat ones you'd be hard to get all those you know i guess it's it's a it's a combination of how small it is and how mobile it is like right and how well it can hide yeah the big ones don't have a they don't stand a chance but if you had to find them all yeah we're just gonna go out and find them with the slow ones as well like a fucking stegosaurus that just runs gently along yeah they're not getting anywhere whereas if you had like something that was like a tiny fly that could breed quite quickly and it can fly long distances i think there's no way that we're controlling the population of that creature can it be one of those flies where it's sperm is bigger than its body because those freak me out that's a lot of flies yeah like the colon house flies doesn't have like a four centimeter long sperm yeah i've seen images i don't i don't like it i don't like it i don't want to see those images well i'm not going to show you but i'm telling you i don't like them i don't like them no i don't like no either someone said mentioned someone mentioned the passenger pigeon so the passenger pigeon is kind of like unprecedented like it's it in in terms of how it went from that many to going extinct but that's not typical for things like like how that an animal like that could go extinct in that kind of way um so it yeah i but if you were to say design a dinosaur that could just survive human survive extinction by humans if humans were attempting to actually make it extinct then i would probably go with some tiny rat-like thing you know that could just live anywhere it's like rats like you could even make rats extinct if we really wanted to all that become maybe if we devoted our efforts to it but it's just like with a dinosaur like that you're like yeah like why fucking bother you know if it's just out there doing its thing but like we know it exists but it's not worth it to hunt them all down there's like this new super chat just made up a thing that i definitely have not said i think the best reptiles of birds jay this is why we want to catch you why did i say that best reptiles or birds well i think birds are technically reptiles i don't think they're reptiles i think they're much more survivable i'm because like we're being warm-blooded what a fucking advantage that is but they are but they are dinosaurs like a bird isn't like a lizard they're not part of the same category of animals you know what i also think would be incredibly difficult for us to eradicate deliberately if it got loose from a Jurassic world cheese would be um aquatic dinosaurs oh oh yeah that's right those could be tough so like if they can swim just deep into the ocean we're not finding them are we right we're not equipped to find those creatures yeah wouldn't be yeah if it's not having any real ecological impact or if it just sort of finds its place then it's like hey i just let it let's let well i mean even if it is having a big ecological impact right there's very little we could do about it because it's just in the ocean um what are we gonna do uh like i as soon as it has a sustainably large population i don't know that you can go in there and find them all i think that they were just because like i i think them slotting into the current ecosystem that we have without dying out you know finding a reliable food food source and i get whatever right that's going to be that's going to be the bigger hurdle for them than humans are um and maintaining us a stable stable population because as soon as they can do that we can't really find them um and they'll they'll just think start popping up in parts of the world they can inhabit and we're like yep guess there's a population of them then watch the future is wild documentary about speculative evolution scientists make hypotheses of future animals with a neat CGI like the fish mm a whales are endangered the thing about whales is that they can't they don't breed very fast and they're incredibly large so if that applies to our aquatic dinosaur cheese they're very large and they can't breed quickly the Welsh man so if that applies to our other aquatic dinosaur then that is a factor but you also have to remember is that there's an economic incentive to kill whales that's why they died out why they're still here well well not why they died out why there are so few of them now more or is the last one oh um he's a Morris so you know maybe so if we have a smaller dinosaur than um than the whale and it is good at breeding and all that stuff um i'm not sure that we could kill it deliberately unless we gave a very big incentive to like just like you know um however many a dollar reward for each one of these things that you kill i'm pretty sure they will be worth a lot of money compared to your average animal well even after there's like a just a maintained population of them in the ocean like you know 10 20 30 years on like a mosa saurus or something i don't know no i'm talking smaller than that because that does have the same issue of survival of survival as whales do you right um well yeah in that case if it's just an invasive species that yeah at that point value will be less if it's everywhere the real one is um the isle of white they've tried their best to eradicate gray squirrels and i think they've managed for the most part but that's like it's um i think it's the law there i'm not sure if it's the law if it's just like incredibly you must encourage right no not kill the one side you have to kill it well if you see one you have to report it to authorities that will kill it the squirrel hunters that's that is people's job there yeah do you see a gray squirrel uh because they are an invasive species that kill red squirrels these are everywhere here because gray squirrels i assume skeer skeer roost carolinsis i assume is what you're talking about eastern gray squirrel um i imagine so i've you know what rags i just know them as gray squirrels all right because then that might be good it's weird to hear just because they're just everywhere here they're all over the place they're just everywhere how does the uh dinosaur prevent inbreeding when it will only start with a very small sample size that's a very good question that is true yeah i think if i'm not mistaken i think it is possible to meet eventually sustain and then dive yeah um i think that is broadly something that can happen is that there just is a lot of writing in a small population but then that can end up in a sustainable population we designed that would be gross you know they could write it so that inbreeding doesn't fuck them up they just say that if they can fucking can write it so they have metal skin then fuck it yeah we we program their genome phenotype some animals can reproduce extra mutation variants so that there's sequences of RNA that flux chemical not all animals suffer equally from inbreeding yeah interesting i'm pretty sure that's the case yeah like um like in alabama that's right animals in alabama they don't suffer from inbreeding what um well like komodo dragons can reproduce asexually if i'm not very much mistaken i know there's a certain breed of reptile that can might be komodo not sure the only way i reproduce is sexually what if it was what if they said it's like worms where if you cut a dinosaur in half it just grows into two dinosaurs that'd be neat and i was a little freak we should ask the worm woman of kalamazoo no that would be another creature that would be hard to eradicate borrowing creatures a woman of kalamazoo yeah i think she's dead i think she's she's now worm food is the case it may be well then the whims become her and they split in half and there's more of them and they're everywhere so anyway godzillica reproduce asexually that's true she filled up madison square garden with eggs wasn't fall kind of bad ticket i wonder how she got a lot of those eggs where those eggs got you know we'll save it for the godzilla efap mm-hmm twitter found berserk and they have stupid takes imagine how you don't want to take some twitter twitter found berserk i don't know anything about berserk so i don't i don't know what a bad take or good take is on it i just couldn't i don't know anything about it i think the main character is the weakest element of the story yeah he sucks no one likes him well some people do but they're wrong yeah they are wrong whoever he is he's shit um i think that the first romance that comes up in the story is really forced and it like doesn't it doesn't work uh it's it feels really unnatural and manga in general or just in in in berserk whatever it was um in manga in general jay's just commentary on manga is the first relationship is forced did you know there is a manga of the future is wild neat and also i can't wait for the manga a adaptation of this efap episode it's going to be wild my other take on berserk is that um there's too much fan service there we go that's a 50 50 if people agree we'll agree without an anatomy are you saying all this like the gas is on criticisms because you haven't seen it yeah so i have no idea what what the story is and i'm just taking wild saps in the dark to see what happens you'll piss you'll piss off plenty of people for sure yeah um you should also say like there's too much plot armor probably another easy one there's too much cock armor the another one scene where an entire character is disintegrated but just as cock survives the cock was made out of best car i'll have you know a best car cock molla might teach you say a historical but my friends saying and historical i don't know what to think no more man i don't know what to think i don't know what to think no more man get out of your head get out of my head get out of your head man you're leaving my head man what you're doing you guys should watch the future is wild it's basically like walking with dinosaurs but in the future oh all right nice welcome to google dixon's wombo menagerie we'd all like to google dixon's wombo menagerie hi i'm google dixon owner of a fuck it nice don't forget the japanese after-man documentary meme that one is very important oh yeah duke a dome e-fap godfather trilogy you would hate godfather three everyone hates that don't they i have no idea what his course is um yeah i mean that's all i know about it but which i don't think godfather's suitable for e-fap movies certainly not bomb bomb bomb would you like a discussion fap on it though that that could be interesting a d-fap i can't watch godfather i'm an atheist um i'm so tired here's an actual generation hope quote that's what you get for stealing you monkey boy a brown colored human being because that would be racist as opposed to just an insult unless it was a monkey who was a boy child then i guess it would be go watch it now there is machine fly wheels and hand wheels for valves sure i don't know that they tip the balance in any way more than the ones we highlighted right feels like don't think so uh there's billions of lego so oh yeah i did read that one out please cover movie bop's batman videos in the future all of them all at once simultaneously though hello long man and crew i first discovered e-fap around when tfa part three came out and i caught up when four came out stay long and an e-fap on my birthday is a lovely thing hello rags screeches for the good boy oh thank you hello uh you can buy bulk lego wheels not all have cars i mean yeah they would count which was invented first lego doors the door or the wheel presumably the door like a barrier to entry of a location that's probably something that came first it would have to be able to rotate on a hinge or or the doorway definitely became came before the wheel right yeah the doorway sure uh but first off what did they call it before the door just shower thoughts but i oh i don't know well they probably didn't have any english words to use then you know they probably didn't use door so much as like flaps and um apparently the earliest door 3000 bc so who was the wheel invented oh the wheel is older i can believe that because i think that if if you don't have a proper door then you can still come up with like alternatives that are suitable for that you know time period whether it's leather flaps or just a piece of wood that you physically move over it or like reeds tied together you know things of that nature if you move out of the way yeah apparently the wheel is pretty like damn you know that's such a big deal yeah apparently the first one was the potter's wheel that eventually spun off into the vehicle wheel a little late up a short time later with the domestication of the horse everyone's like no no investigation of your mom damn no it's like when did they invent the axle it's like yeah i wonder what the difference like there's a there's a gap between inventing canned food and the can opener right how long was the gap between inventing the wheel and inventing the axle i imagine like they would individually i guess i guess the one question i have is the um like do the just just rolling something on something round that you then moved you know the system i'm talking about right where they would have to just a series of cylinders and they would roll something along that and then move a cylinder from the back to the front of you do you know the thing i'm describing i do yeah um with that with those big wheels i imagine not right they would be wheel like but i don't know yeah i don't know a wheel like instrument the egyptians they built the pyramids without the wheel and build a fucking pyramid that they couldn't think of hey what if this was round it's crazy to think about it's like it's legitimately crazy they had like cranes and levers and like an advanced like a relatively advanced civilization with metalworking and like transportation army logistics writing all that all that sort of thing no wheel feels like the kind of thing that if they if it was written into a fictional universe that had never happened we'd be like okay that's a problem yeah it's wild it's crazy as enhanced as they were for their time and all the things you know maybe no one ever had tried the hyperspace ran before maybe people are just that um i think it kind of demonstrates the how hard it is to legitimately think outside the box even when a concept is actually like incredibly simple so they didn't have it when the great like snafru and all that when the majority of the great pyramids were built um they did not have the wheel no i think the pyramids i mean great they're good like well they're pretty great they were probably great at the time now they're just like they're impressive certainly yeah like standards have changed you know they're okay this is blasphemy um oh actually they had the wheel by the time of the great pyramid of geyser at the very least not sure about the older ones cuz i've heard they maybe they had the wheel but they it wasn't like for like construction purposes they never got it they never used it for that thing it was for other stuff because i i've always heard that and it's always been like yeah maybe it was just like like very basic carts on the back of horses and stuff like that but nothing that was for like heavy duty construction because i know had they had like chariots and stuff so maybe it was maybe the confusion is they had them but they didn't implement them into the building of the pyramids and so that gets conflated into they didn't have them when they have them but they didn't use them to build the great pyramid it's very possible maybe they had them elsewhere in the world but not in egypt somehow like maybe there's like a i don't know how i don't know how that would work but maybe of course they eventually got them because the egyptian egyptian history spans like thousands and thousands of years yeah what's the next uh super chat hashtag wheel gang rise up and they really did yeah that was uh talking about a dark horse that's what i said victory right there at the end the wheel wasn't used to whole stone come on right yeah it's what i said or on classic movie for efab manos manos hands of fate 1966 universally condemned as the dumbest and worst film ever hilarious for his awkwardness and what the fuck moments see german nine eight fives viewing also its public domain well my god good potential nobody wants to claim credit hashtag wangs up for wheels no it happened wings up for wheels this is why i watch efab so this is the wheels discussion i think again there oh my god think of all the post offices and amazon warehouses in the world think of all the conveyor belt wheels ah that's a good point all the builders and every shopping carts yeah what a great super chat lol that guy stole it from a youtube community poll i saw a couple days ago good super chat though i guess i mean it's fine if you didn't come up with the question who's just uh yeah question yeah we he didn't say riddle me this so that was his contribution at least yeah i wish to engage this parasocial relationship of ours to say efab brother bear when i'm afraid we don't really have intentions on brother bear yeah fuck his brother there it was a disney movie in like the mid-2000s when disney animation studios was really struggling um i think that was one of the last uh to the theatrical releases from the studio i remember watching it but i do not remember anything about it i don't think i ever saw it i really don't remember it it could be the same thing i'm not sure well yeah because that was around the time that like home on the range and stuff and they all kind of blur together like right at the end hi rags hello did you show fringy that thing about making plasma by microwaving a grape he might be able to incorporate his goo into such an experiment i have not shown him that but you can't you can indeed uh take a grape and i think you skin it and put the two you cut it in half skin it and put the two next to each other in the microwave and it'll like spark between them you'll get an electric current between the two you know something like that you you do say you put a grape in a microwave and it sparks i raw 2.0 i'm here and have thrown bean sharpie off the roof luckily his wife is a doctor and i didn't put him in a certain kind of chamber oh my what's cool the account's called raw 2.0 yeet addition meat off the roof by doing to jinx what kratos did to boulder hog yeah i mean you know maybe maybe the end of season two is that who knows um the wander website also sells hot nazi girls oh they sell like nazi girls like okay uh yes all right oh slightly related there is a crystal clear um cola in the us it's kind of like crystal pepsi but it's called not c cola oh that's unfortunate for him yeah uh sell me on a membership what kind of stuff do you get is it really a monthly thrust um you only got that with with downward thrusts uh patreon i think uh as for membership you just you just get emotes um and it's just sort of it's like if you wanted to do patreon but you couldn't do patreon you do it through youtube instead i guess um other channels will maybe make it so that you can see some stuff that's exclusive um marcus dies afterwards and they play duck dunkey song bra i don't know i'm gonna post that now a chance you can make of that what you guys will i don't marcus dies afterward marcus dies afterwards they play dunkey dunkey song bra yeah i don't know i don't know either you lost me hey rags hi how much money you'll strip us with goo guns would it take for you to play elden ring for the inevitable elden ring evap i don't know i'm i'm i'm toying around with the idea to become somewhat familiar with it um but i'm not sure it's just not really my kind of game but i'm not sure i don't know i don't know we'll say uh i just have about a week just say oh yeah i guess it's closer to as long as these damn things go in closer to seven days uh batman is surrounded by a gang of feminists he reaches into his utility belt and pulls out a tiny bench apiro pops out of cover and tosses him gets up and destroys the feminist egos with facts and logic they were very easy for batman to subdue afterwards nice a great super chat that was pretty cool i thoroughly enjoyed every twist and turn that took i would like to see many adaptations about he beats the feminists yeah with facts and logic too that is classic batman mm-hmm just back for my first viewing of the batman enjoyed it but looking forward to catching up on your breakdown and this episode cheers fappers cheers to you god damn you guys are still going yeah can you believe it nine hours i can't question well efab be considering an efab movies episode like mulan but with dreamworks prince of egypt and the ridley scott remake i don't know what it's called can't be really be bothered to be honest i don't think there was plans for it but uh we could we could do that at some point per chance perhaps are you fans of god of war slash red dead redemption one and two uh i love all of the god of wars pretty much except for the weird psp one slash the one that came out on ps3 at one point i can't remember what was a cold what's the god of war game that came out uh there was guys through spotter and shans of olympus i don't know why i know that's so well when i haven't played either it's that's the two of them no the other one on those one on ps3 that came out after god of war all right ascension that's it that's the one yeah um so not including that one yeah but yes i like god of war a whole bunch and then i think bring your your pretty into red dead right kind of i like her yes so you know the basic answer is yes we're fans of those things kind of collectively with specific people who uh we have fans feels they purposely jumped the shark on horizon zero dawn two story because it's too similar to the current global issues and public figures sadly uh i have no idea i've heard like literally nothing about that story on comment i don't know the p in pterodactyl isn't supposed to be silent but much like the k in night people found it easier to ignore and so we don't pronounce pterodactyl well it's a real pterra hey yeah i mean i guess whoever named it and like was like that's how you pronounce he must have got annoyed and some people were just like can we drop the p i'll always drop the p yeah you should drop the p yeah i thought wait that's we read that one there you go uh reptiles existed at the same time as dinosaurs birds are descendants of dinosaurs reptiles are not so dinosaurs are reptiles and birds the dinosaurs so that's let's just make it simple everyone is everything yeah dinosaurs wouldn't be able to survive all the viruses and bacteria which have developed over the last 65 million years also genetically engineered in Jurassic Park they'd probably be able to like bolster immunity right i think it's certainly right they've done that yeah like a back scene or something even like i make sense is one of the first things that they would bolster and and genusically engineered dinosaurs hey let's not make them be killed by the air i mean you'd expect that to have happened in the testing phase isn't it yeah chris pratt as vader luke it's a me your father i like that we did like chris pratt voice would now just be baria's voice like this is how it would work hey all to answer rags question from earlier gumby's horse friend is named pokey pokey there you go i believe that also high rags scritches for the good boy oh hello thank you the first romance of berserk ends in rape so it was very much forced good take and yeah all right uh berserk inspired doxels highly recommend by the way um i think i've had this before i'm just like there was a lot of inspirations of doxels but true just like some people seem to think of it as like doxels is like the adaptation of berserk into a game it's just like there's a lot of stuff they are very uh berserk's got like a whole ass drory so i suppose doxels has a story to want to imply otherwise oh my god um i know i won't be able to catch the stream but i am curious will you have ever cover uh any transformers content of any kind such as comic shows or the recent movie reboot bumblebee yeah we're playing a transformers arc at some point why not i think it'd be funny i guess we could end it with bumblebee plus kind of like a bonus one yeah it's kind of a same thing by the sounds of it yeah it started off as a prequel and then transformers five did so badly that they retrograded it to be a backdoor reboot um well that that is that i remember i remember liking the character work in it though i'm almost certain that it wouldn't rise above a five or a six um it might even be lower than that i'm totally sure um a lot of contrivances in it probably james just beat godrick nice yeah you did it um and that's all the super chats for today so oh yay it was uh a nice caught up so and it was around about time we would start to say goodbye first let everyone talk about what you're up to a little bit you know um we'll just uh we'll go we'll go cap first what are you doing nothing i'm up to nothing next person man don't allow to do that you have to give me at least enough time to post your challenge at i'm doing this the same update as last week all right is that enough time for you um yeah i just had to write something next to it that kind of represents the channel you know yeah there you go say it's lame it's it's all done perfect yeah uh okay um meme what are you up to uh well basically the same stuff as i um mentioned last week um working on the mando video um when i have time which has been a you know it's it's a it's a resource that comes and go that time um and uh obviously i'm trying to uh as i'm going along with the aquaman edit it's starting to pick up speed a little bit more as it's just like less of a mountain to get over so i'm feeling a little bit more enthused about getting more and more of it done um and of course i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm actually creating some mock uh mock up uh for some art i want a commission for the podcast that i talked about last week so uh hopefully that'll uh hopefully that'll come about soon because i've got a lot of topics i actually want to talk about and just kind of a casual fashion so that'll be it i guess in the meantime you can just go to my channel and listen to mr edge guy on loop and give me all the ad revenue for that one that'll be nice do that yeah not get claimed by anything oh well it's a split app ad revenue thing where um uh it's like it's just you know that they take a little bit but i can still make stuff off of it so pretty cool um it's an excellent song uh i'll recommend playing it 10 times per minute yeah but we can make them try uh jay what about you weirdo well you might have noticed uh chat um that i've been on every e-fap for the past two months i think you know it's about time to announce that i am the fourth host i'm joking um uh all right i'm done and doing a lego star wars video i'm pretty sure um that it is going to be literally the most in-depth review of lego of the classic lego star wars game lego star wars complete saga ever made um i've been looking at all the other critiques out there and i've not seen a more in-depth one so that's if you want to really see that then that's what's going to be on my channel eventually it just keeps um basically what's happening at the moment it's like oh but there's another aspect of the game that i think it's important to touch on so it just keeps expanding and it's it's it's it's real in-depth and i know y'all like that yay actually that i'm covering smiling friends what will be the topic in terms like you know specifically or good it is good good it's like well it's going to take the same format as the other like uh videos that i do covering bad comedies but instead of bad we were like it's actually good that's yeah that's the you're gonna say smiling friends is good actually as if you have anyone to be disagreeing with yeah yeah um hey uh bring it what about you just saying you want to talk about it was what you're talking about oh my god i'm just working on that big old project the last page of the comic is out publicly this week and then after that i've got to figure out what's next but i got a couple ideas but yeah just just working away nothing much else to report fair enough um what about you ranks any updates since last week no not really no i've just been busy with all kinds of other stuff but no no real updates things all sort of happen when they happen i suppose and um that's for myself all the regular stuff but also working on a little thing for april first as you do um now i shall just catch up with a few that came in while we were having a chat there uh first of all a quote from wings i have no dreams or ambitions all those have died oh man there oh it's just like it's so blood that's what i should have said when you asked me what my for the channel has fringy played will of goo i is that actually a thing or is that just to be well that they read or they renamed it it's it released in japan as world of goo but in in the west it was gooniverse so it's probably what you're gonna have to google to find it no apparently it is a game mm-hmm i've never played it though definitely something to think about streaming will of goo the commentary will be very insightful uh no dinosaurs are fish like we still are everything is fish i am even the plants and and the plums the rocks i am a gay arms are plants you fucking melon you're melons you fucking plum any plads for dex meme fap high rags buy rags hello and goodbye yeah uh we're gonna want to get figuring out a date to record none of them probably sooner rather than later we got plenty of things to check out one more check out transformers beast wars i remember that the animation coming out comic or movie animation is a show tv show yeah it's a stealth sequel to the original transformers series um i had some i remember there was some decent writing in it though the animation is already like it's it's not aged very well though it has its charm i guess um buy rags oh goodbye hmm uh if ridler wanted batman to join him batman works with the police why would he want him to admit being in league with the ridler in front of the cameras in arkham asylum because apparently the ridler thought they'd be putting the same cell or something and they could fuck i really don't get it i don't think it stands up scrutiny at all i think it's insane and it all falls apart when you really think about riddler's final goals in in that movie unfortunately um fun fact ralph the movie maker once collabed with knobs back when he was called brook show to talk about batman and robin he has since trimmed that part of his video oh i would keep that in just for the meme i would keep it in for the meme that's funny i want to see it like ralph talking to no bullshit about batman and robin i i seem they don't talk together and it's a cameo or something right somebody find this please is that available anywhere please please please chat help i imagine it's not something people clipped out before it was clipped out right so it's probably gone forever unless someone downloaded all of his videos because like if he's if he was a popular enough youtuber somebody might have just downloaded the video just to watch offline if they wanted for whatever reason so it's possible it's still out there um well all right on that note we are gonna say good night everybody uh thank you so much for hanging out with us thank you so much for the donations and thank you so much for uh for adding and subtracting yeah i'm equal opportunity here you did all of the things chat you're everyone in every opinion um but that's that's good night and goodbye from our slot let's see you next time good bye everybody thanks for staying by long bye goodbye jubilee see ya bye