 Well, everyone thanks so much for joining. This is our second info session today's January 10th, and this is a student panel experience. We're so excited that you're all here and we have a lot of current students have a lot of great things to say. So, just as a reminder, this session is being recorded. And the format is that we'll go through a little introduction in general info about our program. And then we will have the student panel itself. And then there's also a questions and answers button that you should see at the bottom of your screen. And throughout the session, you can place your questions in there, and then we'll address those towards the end. And you can ask any matter of questions, but while you have the current students here. You can also ask things you're curious about what is it like being a student. Okay. So, first I would like to introduce Dr. Kelsey Berry. She is our associate faculty director of our master's program and she's also the co director of our virtual master's program of bioethics so Dr Barry could you say a few words. Thanks so much Jesse, we are really thrilled to be able to do this panel with our current students. And I know that many of you are probably thinking about what it looks like to get a master's degree in bioethics, and what it would be like to actually join us on campus, whether that would be in person or virtually. And there's really no better expert on that than the students who are doing it right now and who are in fact in the seats that you sit in, just about a year or two ago. We have some fantastic students who will take you through some of their experiences in the program, and their thoughts about why it is they chose to pursue a master's degree in bioethics. I will just say, I'm going to sit in the background of this particular session. I love to tell people about the curriculum of the program. I love to tell them about the nitty gritty of what it looks like to learn bioethics at Harvard Medical School. But today is not my day, so I'm here to answer any questions should they be pertinent for me but in the meantime we're really excited to hear from our wonderful students who will reflect a wide variety of different ways of engaging the program. So, if you're interested in the masters of science and bioethics if you're interested in Harvard Medical School, which I assume you are because you're here. And this is a great opportunity to learn a little bit more. Dr. Grandel, our program director will try to join us a little bit later and say hello to all of you. But in the meantime, sit back, relax and hear a little bit from our students as you learn about the masters of science and bioethics. Welcome. So as you can tell, so our program is we offer one year we offer two year. And we also offer virtual and that virtual option is our part time two year. All of our class sizes for those are between 30 and 40 students. And then apart, you know an integral part of your program is what we call the foundation class. And that's between 30 and 40 students, but the other side of that is all the elective classes that you can choose to take and really shape part of your curriculum in those classes can range anywhere between 10 and 25 students. So most masters programs, this is 36 credits, and part of that is a really kind of in depth personalized capstone experience that we hope you can take with you for the rest of your career. Our semesters are September to May. And so if you do two years, it's two of that. And if you are a virtual student, we do have an option for you to come study in January for an intensive course, and it's a class that just lasts a few weeks. These are our students. Currently, we have just about 122 student 120 students 32 of which are full time. And they come from around the world. Many different professional backgrounds. Our students are clinicians, their lawyers, their pastors, their public health and public law professionals. They're working the pharmaceutical industry or they're taking a gap year from med school. Some of our students are also just starting their career. They've just graduated undergrad. And then some have been in their professions for 20 plus years. So in the classroom, you'll really see a lot of unique perspectives, right? Maybe it's someone who's younger or maybe it's somebody who's really, really experienced clinician. And I'm excited that we have some of our current students here to share those experiences with you. So life at Harvard, you can study here in Boston. Harvard Medical School is located on the Longwood campus. And the main campus is of course in Cambridge. And so if you were to be here full time as a full time student studying in person, you can live right here on campus at a place called Vanderbilt Hall. And that would be right next to your classes, or you could live in Cambridge and you could commute in, right? There's a free shuttle where you can live anywhere in the general area. So we're not going to talk too much about this part of why we're having this panel so that you can hear directly from our students what it's like living in Boston and being here at Harvard. So with that, we're just going to go ahead and start. We hope to have a discussion for 30 minutes. We want to hear unique perspectives and we want to hear about experiences. And yeah, we want to hear, again, what is it like to be here in Boston and here at Harvard. I'm going to pass it off to Kosti, who is a current student and has generously agreed to be our moderator. So Kosti, please introduce yourself. Thank you. Thank you so much, Jesse. Can you all hear me okay. I'm Kosti. My full name is Konstantin Simopoulos. I am a kinesiologist by training and I have been involved with sport medicine in the past and also the Olympic medicine. So human performance at the elite level of sport. I'm a second year part-time student and although I'm virtual, I'm also local because I've been in the Cambridge area. My family and I for almost two decades now. So I'm very happy to be moderating this panel of my colleagues and students. So I would like to ask that each one of the students to introduce themselves briefly starting with Rigo. Good morning everyone. Thank you, Kosti. My name is Rigo Azanui and I am in the second year MBA program and I am virtual. I do the program all the way from York, Pennsylvania. But at the moment I am in Boston taking one of those intensive courses for the Jterm that Jesse mentioned earlier so even though I'm a virtual student there's still an opportunity to take a class in person which I'm doing right now. Thank you very much, Desi. Thank you, Kosti. Hi everyone. It's great to be with you today for this one hour. My name is Desi. I'm a first year virtual part-time student. I'm a lawyer by training and actually in private practice. I'm also a policy researcher in the field of AI and emerging technologies. I'm based in Europe. I'm taking the program out of Eastern Europe. And I'm very happy to tell you anything you would like to know and I can be helpful with as far as the program is concerned. Thank you. Thank you, Desi. Hi, everyone. My name is Sunny Jang. I'm a full-time in-person student located in Boston. I'm a pediatric nurse and researcher by background and we're so excited to have you all please let us know any questions that you have. Thank you, Sunny. And last but definitely not least, Adam. Good morning. My name is Adam. I am a British pediatrician who has made the trip over to Boston to complete the one year MBE in-person program and I'm delighted to be here with some esteemed colleagues. Thank you so much, Adam and everyone. So I will start with the, I will start us off with the first question. And I would like to ask Rigo to answer this. So Rigo, you have one of your degrees as a master of divinity, you're a priest and a Caputian monk. What was it that first got you interested in bioethics? So my first exposure to bioethics was doing my undergrad when I took a course and doing my masters of divinity. I was further exposed to biomedical ethics and I was captivated by a new technology which was upcoming in 2016, CRISPR-Cas9. And I was immediately thinking of what I could do with such a technology and I thought, well, there's sicker cell disease which, you know, we can actually bring an end to it using this technology. But what are some of the ethical ramifications of using such a technology? And I thought, you know, to answer that question, I need to be somewhat an expert. So I said, I think in work and I become an expert in bioethics and Harvard being the best of the places to study out in the world, I thought that must be my first choice. So I went ahead and applied when I had the opportunity. Thank you so much. Rigo and you actually answered another of my questions already, which is great. Why Harvard? But I will proceed with Desi and ask you, you're a lawyer, you know, with a lot of experience from the EU and AI as you mentioned in public policy. How can, why, what made you pursue specifically a master's degree in the field of bioethics and not just continue with your own interests and add bioethics to what you were already doing? A very good question. Thank you, Costi. Actually, AI as an emerging technology is currently not regulated, neither in the EU nor in the US. It is in the process of being regulated and while the regulators and policy makers are struggling with various issues and the policy design and the regulation design around it, a lot of ethical questions pop up. And while I was working and I'm working as a lawyer and policy researcher, I essentially experienced them firsthand, then I realized that apparently law is not well suited to respond to any of the questions, let alone resolve them. So, you know, Kyle, the system and that system would need to be ethical, we need to look to ethics in order to be able to at least try to understand what perspective we need to take on some of those issues. And I was taking courses in philosophy and in bioethics in order to kind of try to make my head around the various issues and ways forward. Then I realized that bioethics is particularly well suited to deal with some of those questions because of the way medicine and biomedicine and, you know, pharmacy and so on. He has evolved over the last 50 years, medical research, bio research more generally has prompted bioethics to think about the various issues concerning the human condition and the interaction between it and science and actually has grappled with most of them around autonomy, dignity, and so on. So I thought this should be the way going forward for me. Thank you so much for such a thorough response, Desi. My next question is to to sunny and and or Adam either of you can answer or you can add, you know, what was what is your favorite part of what has been the favorite part for you about the bioethics program thus far and also for someone who has traveled from Toronto from Canada, and in your case also Adam from the UK all the way to you can go for sunny. Sure. Thanks Costi for that question. I think there's just been so many of favorite little moments while being in this program. And the first one I don't think this is exclusive to just being an in person student. I'm pretty sure virtual as well. It's just like the really enriching conversations that we have every day during our classes before classes after classes. I think that our cohort has been so particular in particularly very just welcoming and very inclusive of any type of dialogue. And so that has been just every every class every day has been a really very precious moment that I hold. Thank you. Would you like to add to that Adam and also maybe the perspective from coming all the way over from across the pond to Boston for this program. Yeah, so I think wrapped up in that question is really a question of community and I was of course apprehensive about about coming over to Harvard it's a completely different continent for me and a bit scary. The community that has been developed and nurtured fostered by the Harvard team, the bioethics team is really second to none. The warmth that I feel towards my cohort is something that I'll take with me forever. And that coupled with, and look I had a high expectation expectations of Harvard that it comes with a certain prestige but the teaching really has, has lived up to it. And the manner in which they, they communicate ideas and force you to grapple with the big questions has really lived up to those fairly high expectations. I definitely think it's the community is it's my other students that that I've learned to love and and will for the rest of my days. Thank you so much, Adam and we all feel the warmth from you and from you also as a pediatrician, and with a keen interest in matters that that are such so important. Also, I wanted to ask you, when you started the program, what are some of the challenges you faced with managing school work on one hand, and then your professional work on the other. That's a very good question because see as a as a Catholic priest I am the associate pastor of the second largest parish in the diocese of Harrisburg and besides having those responsibilities at the parish I also have responsibilities in my order as a Capuchin Franciscan. And so I feel like I was being pulled from left and right every single time, but also it was a choice that I made to to study bioethics. And so I had to be accountable for for those choices I made, and I had to make out at times so this came with a lot of sacrifice I had to draw a scale of preference to see what are my priorities. Is it having more fun or spending more time, you know doing my reading assignments when I have some free time and, and that's pretty much how I could balance everything so did all my duties as an associate pastor during the day in the morning until hospital visits and I made sure that my classes were always in the evening. Already the foundational classes are structured such that they come later in the evening from 7 to 9pm so that way most people who are part time and are working, they have the opportunity to attend to their daily lives and then go to class in the evening. Of course it demands more energy because you're already tired from the day's work and you still have to give in your best in knowing class but being in that environment where everyone is coming from the same situation everyone is working we knew that we were supported by each other and because of the presence you felt you could be there and do it and um yeah so I mean the first two weeks was something new but by the time a month was over it was part of your routine and everything has just been the bed of roses ever since then. I apologize with many of you and since I'm also in similar in similar situation being a part time, working full time, same time. Are you still hearing me okay? Sorry. Okay. A question for Sunny. What unique perspectives have you heard from all your classmates who have been in mid-career or beyond? I am a little early in my career. I worked three years prior to entering the program but I believe that my despite still three years my clinical experience has really worked really well in terms of helping me kind of think about my perspectives but also really helping to learn about from other people's perspectives and merging those to kind of go beyond our courseworks and think about what really the work of bioethics is. And I can only speak on like I guess more of like the clinical experiences that I've been able to have but learning from those who are in mid or even late career has been really vital and crucial to kind of supplementing my thought processes and have been really, really enriching. So I think we learn from each other every day and we bring in these perspectives where we're able to kind of consider, oh, I really haven't thought about that but that's a really good point. Oh, that's a really interesting perspective that you bring in. I'm going to ponder about that a little bit more. So I think that it really has benefited me as a clinician as a student. Excellent. Thank you so much and I realized I had a slight audio issue. Hopefully this is better. I just switched to my backup. I have a question for Adam. Adam, what, you know, when you started the program, what are some of the challenges? I'm sorry, I apologize. How has your experience living in the Boston area outside of the coursework and the program itself been? So great question, Kosti. First and foremost, I'd like to say that I live in Harvard housing. If there's any international students that think you're applying, it really was a very smooth process. Harvard obviously has a huge amount of international students, so you're not going to be the first. Any problems that you have that you do encounter, it won't be the first time. And Harvard really did help me or guide me through the visas, welcoming me to Cambridge and to Boston in general. And Boston is just a fantastic place to explore. And certainly one of the value-added bits of this course or me as an international student doing this course has enriched me. Seeing the fall or the autumn has been utterly beautiful. There's so much to do in Boston that I feel like I've only scraped the surface. But Harvard really has guided me through any technical, logistical challenges of moving continent. And I'm sure that they will do the same for any prospective students. Excellent. Thank you so much. And I know that Caroline is also here, has joined. Caroline, I'm not sure if your audio and video are still okay, but if they are, would you mind telling us how can this program help professionally? That's a great question. So I am more of a major career student in the second year of the two-year part-time program. And I'm a lawyer by training. I've practiced as a lawyer both in politics and in the nonprofit world. And so this is, you know, I joined this program to do it. But first of all, just intellectually, it's been a ton of fun. So even if that's all I got out of it, you know, quite frankly, I'd be happy. But it really has provided a number of opportunities. So for example, you know, because of being in this program, I've been able to join an IRB over at one of the hospitals. And the other thing is I've been invited to be a guest lecturer at an area law school in their bioethics law course that's being taught in the spring. And all of those, I would say, both the credential of this program, but also the networking connections that I've made from this program have all sort of helped me to create these opportunities to sort of going more in the bioethics path in my career. Excellent. Thank you so much. Let's see. We still have, we're doing well with time, right? So we still have some very unique questions here for the panel. And hopefully they're all going to be very relevant to everyone who is joining this webinar and who is looking into applying to the program. I know we're all biased, but we can say that this has been an amazing experience and probably the best program we would have ever imagined and actually it exceeded, personally exceeded my expectations. One thing that I wanted to ask is, of course, as you have seen from the panel, but also from bioethics as a field, there have been, you know, so many different perspectives that individuals bring into from their own initial perspective and so this is a question for anyone who wants to jump in first. So I'm respecting your autonomy. How have those different perspectives that different people within our cohort bring has shaped your own perspectives in ways that you wouldn't have thought it would in the course of this master of science and bioethics program. Let me see who's going to unmute themselves first. Great. So I think one of the great things is that we've got such a diverse cohort of people studying, as well as such a diverse faculty. There are faculty members that are vets, there are faculty members that work in big pharma and the cohort is even more sort of broad journalists and physicians, nurses and engineers. And to learn how their life experiences have made them come to very different conclusions to the rest of us at times and has been, has been a pleasure and learning to articulate that in a respectful community. And really has really bolstered my belief in the work of bioethics and how we can all work together to seek solutions to the big questions that we're grappling with. We don't shy away from those difficult questions and we have to learn to articulate them and defend our view. And Harvard really does offer the space to do that in a kind, often jovial way, whether it be talking about pistachio ice cream or playing games with difficult things about people's hypothetical situations about scenarios in hospitals and things. So I think that that's really the crux of it. Thank you. Thank you for this response. Let me let me go with desi. I have a question for you and I know have been on one of the consortia together on health policy. And with your policy from the European side. What new, new or exciting let's say, or maybe sometimes you know challenging differences have you have you encountered while delving deeper into these issues from the American perspective. That influence or shape or inform your own view of things regarding health policy. Thank you costi I think one of the really valuable takeaways for me. It has been the evidence based research that some of the scholars at our faculty are conducting and we are presented with either as required readings or during during discussions and consortia visa, and extremely telling in various ways and they help me reach certain gaps across the ocean, but also I think they teach me what is really valuable research what is, what is a research that could contribute in a meaningful way to the public debate. Other aspects, I think, around the way the US more broadly but also the the research community at American University approaches very salient research questions with both public health but also ethical dimensions around you know, organ donation and the opioid crisis, or, you know, patient research subjects and so on, always in very specific terms that essentially flashes out very well what the actual concerns are, be it ethical or policy, these relates at least to me but I'm I think most of my colleagues very well because kind of hits the nail on the head and provides very specific tangible dimensions to the issues that, no matter where we are based we all will be grappling with. Thank you very much for that really go. I know we have. We have been in many wonderful and very rich conversations with our faculty and our peers many times, oftentimes way past after our actual end time for the, whether it be a course, a tutorial or a consortium but as from those conversations with your peers and faculty. What has it been something that most excites you regarding the field of bioethics. One thing that has made a tremendous impact on me and this program is the ability to be open to the consideration of other perspectives something which Dr Barry work on card that that is so dear to her heart. And we were first exposed to that in our foundation one course and that is something that coming into the program I did not necessarily utilize in my daily life. And as a Catholic priest, I, I mean I definitely have some natural strong positions and certain issues, but when it comes to bioethics. Now I've come to realize that there's no one firm answer on any particular issue it's a case by case scenario and we go about navigating how to give the adequate recommendation for for that issue. I've been able to consider other perspectives, paying attention to opinions and unnecessary the person's excuse that really picked up and each time that I'm in a conversation either with a faculty or with a peer. That is always at the back of my mind I need to listen to what they're saying even if it's different from mine and know just kind of bounce it off of my own idea and see what am I missing what are some of the gaps. That I stayed with me, it's going to be a part of me no matter what I do, whether it's in my ministry as a priest or is in my future endeavors in the bioethics of you. Excellent thank you so much and you know I was trying to make sure that I'm listening fully to what you were saying because this is exactly something that our faculty members, especially you know, our director, Dr. Martin Brindel and our associate faculty director Dr. Barry has have really taught us and they have taught us really well I might add on how to do that and be respectful and use empathy and trying to to be good by ethicist essentially you know once once we're out of this program. So, thinking about the latter part once our next step after graduation, and for you, Sunny, you're closer to our earlier year called registered nurse, you've done the work with children with disabilities that I know and it's also near and near to my heart as well. What is it that you hope to do using your degree after you graduate. And also what do you want to do. And how will this degree help you accomplish. I think it's costy. So I think what really compelled me to initially apply for this program was the experiences that I had in my at work, and it really compelled me to really become a little bit more knowledgeable and know what skill sets that are required to be a really like how to have a really good practice in consideration of what ethics is. And so, and then with this program I was paired with really tremendous mentors advisors. And it was that I have been really pivotal to my experience in the program, and it's kind of shifted me to think of an idea of becoming like a clinical ethicist, and which my nursing background would very much while supplement. Upon reflection, I think that's the career path or career pivot that I'm going to take. And upon getting advice from my advisors and mentors. They have kind of pushed me to apply to like fellowships and or actual like clinical ethicist positions across the United States and Canada so that's what I'm currently doing. Thank you. And we have a couple of closing questions at least as far as the panel is concerned. And one question for you Adams, a similar, but during the program both inside or outside the program. And what were some of the favorite moments that you've had, but also how have those experiences, those favorite moments again and experiences influence the work that you do. And yet that you will be doing in your role as a pediatrician. Thank you. So I certainly joined the program because pediatrics is is is fraught with ethical dilemmas of which I was seeing many in my own clinical practice. And I think that looking to the future in so many different disciplines. Those questions are going to rear their heads. And I feel that people such as ourselves if you've logged on then you're certainly going to be one of those people that needs to be at the forefront of grappling those those difficulties whether that's in engineering or journalism or or or policymaking. And I think that the MBE program has really given us a foundation for that. And my favorite. I feel I feel like a broken record but my favorite party is to learn from from my colleagues and we've got young students and we've got more mature students who are coming with such a wealth of their experience. And that coupled with the the young eyes of the young who who can give ambitious proposals that we we all used to have. And we should perhaps still strive for and and and that coupled that sort of duality is just fantastic that we can and we can bring that and not not sort of older more tarnished folk that say older that will never work. We have to we have to think of the big the bigger questions and the community and guided by by the faculty has fulfilled that in my later career I hope to to be able to take what I've learned from the bioethical sphere I think this might just be a stepping stone and I I want to pursue further further studies in bioethics and to be an integral part of my future career and I think that and the things that I'm learning here and the contacts that I'm making that will be easily done. Very well said, Adam. Final question for Rigo and or desi. And of course anyone else can can jump in because it's more broad and in general, but I know there are advantages and disadvantages or probably advantages rather for both the full time program and one year, as well as advantages for the part time to your program. For those who are in the part time program so like what was one thing you would change in terms of adding a course or choosing a different course of experience during your time here that you haven't had the chance to do, given the breadth and the depth of and the richness of all the wonderful options that we have had. Rigo, why don't you start first. So, I know that it's a plethora of courses that are of interest to me, but at the same time, you cannot do a certain amount of courses each semester, and I don't necessarily think that I would change anything, because I have enjoyed the course I have taken up to this point. As a matter of fact the courses that I wish I could add but I, I'm unable to do that. And another advantage of being in the virtual part time program, well in the part time program is that I didn't feel the pressure of trying to get a capstone topic right away. So I had an entire year to work on that. And I responded to someone just from the chat question. I got my topic following a paper I wrote for my clinical ethics class. So sometimes you may come in with an idea, but you start taking classes and it exposes you to other alternatives that you didn't think of before. And by the end of the first semester or the second semester you now have clarity on what you want to work on. So that, that's an advantage that I noticed as a part time student. And one caveat in being a part time student virtually will be the social part. You know, sometimes when you're in a classroom at the end of class, you may want to hang around with your peers and the professors and maybe continue a topic that arose in class. But even in the virtual space, that's still, there's still room to do that. You know, often, you know, like with the foundation courses, Dr. Barry, Dr. Brandel, they always stayed back for an additional 15, 20 minutes just waiting for any students who have some final thoughts to share. And so it has really been a positive experience for me being in a part time virtual program. And also I tried to make it a duty of mine to come to campus once every semester just to be there because, you know, I feel like being in an environmental program changes like your psyche and, and so I will advise you to consider coming to campus even if you were in a virtual program. Thank you so much, Rigo. Desi, and any comments from you and then Caroline, if you're back, if you want to add a final comment from on your behalf as well. Because I'll be brief, I second Rigo, the program is so rich that I would recommend everyone just to simply take their time and be realistic about their schedules. What may be an additional option for, for, for some of them, I'm also considering considering it for myself is to extend the virtual program for two to three years I'm not sure whether we've talked about this but there is another option to actually take a third year as part of the virtual program. I think this may be helpful for people working full time or being full time moms dads, and also wanting to enjoy the, the possibility to really delve into the, the, the, all the topics, the learnings, allocate time and also be able to take more courses if that's an option so this is probably a change one could think about. Otherwise, everything on offer is so outstanding, at least in my view that I don't think anyone would regret any of their choices of courses or options. Caroline, thank you, Desi. Yeah, I wouldn't, I sort of I'm going to echo my previous two people, I wouldn't change anything I think what I would put a plug in for is I echo what Rigo said of it's a treat when you're in the part time program of having a little more time to develop and come up with your capstone proposal because I think what I, you know, when you're in the two year part time program, you don't really launch your capstone until the second year and so I think I really, I did change as Rigo was saying to what I might have come up with when I first came in. But I think what I would really say I loved is I took a wide variety of classes and I tried to push myself to take the stuff that was outside my background early on so clinical ethics, which is a required class for me. You know, it's a very, it's a much more medical class, for example, than say the health policy class in terms of my familiarity with some of the terms in the readings. I took it early on and it was great because it really stretched me and, you know, and it was it stretched me and at the same time the professor was so clear about being available or you know any and all questions that I'm sure to the doctors in the room were ridiculous but I needed to ask. But I took from environmental ethics to animal ethics to pediatric ethics to reproductive ethics. I'm doing a religion class now and really a wide, wide variety. And, and I'm glad that and the program and I'll take even I'm doing genomics in the spring I mean there's such a wide variety that's offered and I just, you know, for those who are who do end up enrolling I highly encourage you to really take advantage of that breath of classes. Because it is, you know, this opportunity to really get such an amazing range of to learn from an amazing range of people and learn about so many different topics and and it's been a treat. Excellent. Thank you so much and, and I know we could be, you know, talking for hours about the, the, our passion which is or our new passion for some, which is now bioethics. But I know also that we have been having, you know, an increased flow of questions. So probably Jesse can take it on and thank you so much to all of you and thank you to our faculty and to Jesse and Samantha for allowing us to share our experiences with everyone else. Yes, thank you, gosh, great questions and great answers everybody so now we would like to answer some of your questions that you've been asking throughout the session. And there's one in particular that I thought we could start with in any current student is totally welcome to answer this I think it would be great coming for you coming from you. So here's a question my professional background in primary area of interest is in hospice and palliative care and the regulatory framework pertaining to this field. Does this program explore end of life issues. So absolutely yes it does is there any student who would like to take that question on. I mean I can say that's at least at least one whole conversation in clinical ethics just to start. And it's also coming up in my religion, and religious classes, numerous places, the issues, it's such a large issue these days quite frankly it comes up in a number of classes and explored in depth I think from a variety of different perspectives in my experience. And I could probably add that indeed there is a separate class on the scene the public health and policy course as well, as well as this team pops up quite often in other types of discussions including in foundations and bioethics when we essentially try to look at those issues from various perspectives from the perspectives of various ethical theories which actually is quite enriching and informative in various ways. Yeah thanks everyone and and two more questions here and they relate they relate to being a clinician and how this program can influence your career so Adam and sunny from a clinical practitioner perspective. How does the program of the mbe how does this change your views past present or future practices. Yeah so everyone comes to the course with with a different set of experiences a different set of tools in their backpack that that they use to grapple with with bioethical conundrums from from their their profession. And what this course really does do is and and it fulfilled a basic need of mine is to to break it down to the sort of the basic philosophical issues and so we learn a little bit about how the philosophy comes into it. Through my colleagues I'm learning about different countries and how their legal system has has grappled with those, but then more importantly, it's really brought together different perspectives of of how, clinically we can seek resolution for for our patients for the ones that we care for and that we are charged with with looking after, and I think that that has been absolutely integral it's not only just the course that the whole community at Harvard can deliver at the other law school or the school of philosophy, or the other centers of bioethics here that there is the center of bioethics but there's also the the saffron center that you can go and attend conferences and discussions and and learn from from everyone across the world because this is an international community. And, and I think that taking that forward, taking my new perspectives and the perspectives of frankly the world would and won't limit me and in fact will enrich the conversation when I when I go back to London and and and share what and just to add on to what Adam had said. I think I think what's really important to be cognizant about is that, at least for me was that I came in with like one perspective, although I tried to be very well rounded. I do only come with one perspective and so that supplementation from various other like roles professionals and, and whatnot. It really adds on to the, the knowledge base and the foundation of what you perceived it to be initially. And then I think regarding just like future practices just to kind of add on to what Adam said. It, I think bioethics it's an ever evolving field there's always going to be new topics and discussion new considerations. And I think with this degree it really kind of helps you to think of various approaches of how you might integrate like various social differences similarities and ways to be just a little bit more cognizant about it in addition to being more aware about how different people perceive things and whatnot. Thanks so much, Sonny and Adam, those were really wonderful perspectives. And do you think we could just a lot of a minute or two. Maybe two of you could talk about what you're doing with your capstone at what made you want to do that and where you hope to take it and costy you're welcome to answer this as well. Thank you. Thank you very much so I can start and so my capstone is looking into a field that has not been very much discussed in the literature. It has to do with adaptive sports and adaptive sport medicine within a rehabilitation setting, and specifically more specifically is looking into the triads among the clinician, the coach slash trainer and the patient. This dynamic and very unique relationship for especially for patients who have suffered some kind of an injury or disease and hence, they have a disability either, you know, congenital or a new disability new acquired disability that they're now in the process of rehabilitating. And then what are the organizational and clinical ethical issues that arise through such a triadic relationship as well as in the specific setting, which is in my case the sporting rehabilitation hospital, one of the many teaching affiliates of Harvard Medical School. And of course this aligns a little bit with or more I would say with my fellowship that has to do with equity, diversity inclusion and belonging and this is a particular important for bioethics, since it touches upon the justice principle, and specifically within justice, social justice that is a huge area when it comes to inclusion and access and ableism and notions of expert mercy and accompaniment that we learn from the late and great Paul Farmer. But yeah, a capstone is so is so exciting, I believe for all of us, but for me in particular, this is something that I always wanted to do and now I can finally do that because of this program. Thanks so much Kosti. Anyone else like to share. I can jump in. So my, my capstone research is identifying moral distress and moral injury among health care chaplains. Now moral, moral distress is a condition it's a mental condition that occurs when a moral agent is unable to exercise the personal on call values and believes due to internal external and moral injury. On the other hand arises when a person is betrayed morally due to an observation of someone in authority not doing what they were supposed to do. These two conditions predominantly doing COVID-19 where started among clinicians and my research is really going to be novel because I identified that there was prophecy in the literature with regards to these conditions among health care chaplains and I am engaging this topic because it's going to train me also on doing research so I'm going through the IRB track which it's not an absolute requirement for the capstone, but I received the permission to engage in it because he was going to give me for the training on doing scientific research we're moving forward and in my capstone I'm able to apply some of the tools that I got from research ethics and clinical ethics so everything is kind of coming together with my capstone and I hope to, you know, eventually get the results published as I said it's it's novel and the skills that I will learn from this capstone will help me engage in future research, especially when I do my PhD work. Well, thanks so much for you. Excuse me we do have to begin wrapping up here but before we do I would like to introduce Dr Rebecca Brindell. She's the director of the master of biotics program and the associate director here at the Center for bioethics and Dr Brindell. I was wondering, we do have a bunch of questions left and I'm sorry we couldn't get to all of them, but I think it would be immensely helpful. If you could tell us a little bit about what you've seen some of our alumni go on to do and what are some of the career paths and career prospects. Well, let me first start by thanking you just in our phenomenal education team for the creativity in showcasing the very very best part of our program which is the community that we get to create together. We do our faculty and students and our interactions with each other. And just to say that we are continually marveled by our students. I'm not sure if you've noticed but I wasn't kidding that the sign of success was our having created a program that none of us couldn't could have gotten into if we applied today because of the incredible accomplishment talents, brilliance and and personal warmth and warmth and empathy of each and every one of our students. So, I'm humbled every day by the incredible things that our alumni are doing. From working at the bedside to making difference, a difference one by one with patients and families in difficult situations to working through other professions with through legal advocacy with individual clients and people in difficult situations to combating policy that shows up on the desk of our senator when we're there doing a briefing on health policy to thinking about and shaping our systems and combating systemic and structural racism and oppression, thinking about a particular concern in the US right now around gender equity and reproductive health and really engaging in every area of bioethics so now I'm thinking of all the hot button issues and we have students who are working in environmental ethics. I love the new year in part because it's a time when I get to hear from all our students who are doing things around the world we have a student who's been in Ukraine has had a lifetime career in supporting humanitarian missions during times of war and natural disaster. We have other students who are now running bioethics centers themselves and and teaching and educating and and working to carry on the tradition so there's really the potential is limitless and this wonderful group of students today is really shows the diversity, the breadth and the commitment to advancing the work of bioethics. Thanks Dr. Brindell that was really helpful. And so here we only have one minute left. There's only one more thing to really highlight. And that is our upcoming deadline is January 15. So I do believe that that's five days and comes up this weekend January 15 that is the deadline for early career applicants. Okay, what if you're one to three years into your career. It is also going to apply to you if you're an international applicant applying to study full time one year here in the United States. And so that's coming up this weekend for everybody else if you're mid career professional, if you're international mid career and you're applying to study part time that's going to be March 15. Okay. And I'll put that in chat. And also some tips if you are indeed now looking to apply for this weekend or if you want to go back and look at your application. In bright, it's entirely online we want to see your transcripts from all of your institutions and updated and reviewed CV or your resume, as well as a statement of purpose that's going to tell us, you know why do you care about bioethics. Why do you want to study that here at the medical school, why it's important to what you can do with it and where you can take it. It's a $100 application fee and all of the test scores are optional, with the exception of if you're an international applicant, and the language of instruction was not English, then we will want to see some TEFL scores, or do a lingo scores. And if you are anxious about the time for English proficiency exams the do a lingo exam, usually I think takes about an hour or two and you'll get your scores pretty much immediately. So that is always our recommendation. Lastly, I know we didn't get to talk about a lot but we do have a recorded information session from December 7. Okay, and that's on YouTube that's on our center channel. And so you can find a lot of really great information there Dr Brindel and Dr Barry also spoke a lot during that if you wanted to hear more perspectives from some of our directors. You can always email us, let me put that in the chat really quick. And if you have any questions you must there and then we'll be back to you within a couple of days. And lastly, thank you all thank you all, you know so much for attending huge shout out to our current students this was super wonderful I know it took time out of your days but we really enjoyed it. I know already that it was really helpful. So thank you so much everybody and have a lovely day. Bye bye.