 Well, thank you for being here look at that fantastic. Ah So Yeah, I'll tell you a little bit about Calabra I'll tell you a bit about what we're doing and I will talk too fast. Sorry But there's lots of slides to read if you get bored, you know when the blah blah blah blah blah blah You just read something So yes, our parent company is it's pretty cool. I'll tell you about that in a second And if we came out of Suzer Nine nine years ago and we have a mission many companies write their mission statement after being in business for you know 20 years and doing things that no one understands why they do and but we actually believe ours and it's Making open-source rock. I'm encouraged to see that it spreads virally through you know to to like-minded individuals So that that's cool. Um, and that's that's the goal. What does that mean? That's the goal of our shareholders. That's what we wanted to do That's what the company is for And so it means when you give me a euro or a yen or a remdini or something We take that money and that's what we do with it. We we put it back into Making open-source rock. We're a pure play open-source company. Well, our code is open. We do have to make money Otherwise, we can't spend it on open source Strange but that's how it is and we're not for sale. Um, so so that's quite quite important So I'll talk a little bit about the parent company say Calabra Has taken a long-term strategic view of enabling open-source use in lots of things so If you look back to ten years twenty years, you would see lots of proprietary real-time operating systems You know the wind rivers and in all these little our tosses underneath things and Calabras played a huge role in replacing Huge chunks of the industry with Linux so you can start at the bottom of your stack and go upwards free software all the way Right like and that's the goal Many of our clients build proprietary things on top. We try and avoid that But I'm so just silly stuff your power tools that you buy from Bosch have Linux in you know Isn't that amazing and and we're there helping to you know Do you do all sorts of interesting control things your medical device as you wake up from your? post Conference hangover you look you look out of your bed and the medical device going ping Next to you is potentially running Linux, you know and and this is great and so we do all sorts of things virtual reality You know mobile devices car things Big semiconductor companies we work with all of these people to enable Free software from the ground up basically Pretty much hardware drivers graphics enablement loads of loads of things like that We also have an AI practice, which I particularly like you can watch the video perhaps later, but So so this is standard h.264 sending a video of someone talking and this is What happens if you send a picture of them as in this is the guy And then you do image extraction feature extraction on their face And see how they're talking then you send the features to the other end and then you apply it on top of the image and it turns out you get a 90 percent bandwidth reduction And the quality is as good if not better And if you up res this with a another clever ai that has detail and so on You end up with an amazing picture of this person at the other end With a tenth of the bandwidth all open source. Of course, it's not a product. It's a demo But do do have a look at it. I think it's it's pretty some pretty cool stuff out there So just an example of our machine learning group out there Oh, and I guess I'm media group. We do lots of Media stuff too. Anyway, you're probably more interested in the Libre Office piece, which is my My part so half owned by me and half owned by Calabra parent company And we we focus on I guess office productivity open source stuff primarily Libre office And Yes, so there we go and we do all sorts of things. We make various products. I think you probably are familiar with them Um So Calabra online, you know digital giving your digital sovereignty back to you, you know Trying to trying to return ourselves to that garden of Eden, you know Where where we controlled our own technology and people weren't watching us all the time And I like this tag, you know your own private office in the cloud You know, we'll sell you a chair you can put on a cloud and you know get some peace and look down on other people Very important. Um, so and and that of course is all built on Libre office technology And you know, you can get SLAs and so on. I'm not going to tell you about that I can have a office you'll be very familiar with it's uh, you know branded version of Libre office based on that And it's really the foundation for online, you know, like the vast majority of the code that we put in online is of course Libre office technology and we you know, we love that that's that's a very unifying way of describing all of it We release annually And then we maintain that for three years at least This is not the tip of our spear Calabra office. I think if you're a trustee you'll have seen why you'll have seen our sales graph And uh, you'll have seen the impact of the marketing plan that was supposed to you know accelerate this. Um, it's Well meaning but uh, ultimately You know, there's a reason online is the tip of the spear And of course we do consultancy too So we we fix things and make things and sell that in flexible ways and we partner with people So one of the things we love to do It's partner with people and these are just a few of our partners who have 200 and 230 something like that. Um I think it's more than that And the goal here really is to try and make a way that an individual or a small person can project Power and competence and strength into their market That we can work together with these people to make your small business Into a business that can do enterprise level support And that we can then share revenue on that we can sell not just training and migration but also a recurring revenue stream. So one of the problems with Open sources. It's quite easy to sell consultancy to some people and and You know in small volumes after they've discovered they have a problem But but when you fix that problem, they don't have a problem anymore And and so making that a recurring revenue so that you can hire people and predict You know how you're going to pay them next year and next month is difficult And and consultancy is it's been likened to driving a you know a car in fog You know, you can make the car bigger But you know pack more people into the bus, but you still don't seem very much further ahead And it's it's kind of risky So what we love to do is try and make recurring revenue so that you have a client base and you grow that base And you can you know you get that revenue from people and you provide value to them and you build a long term A long term relationship that So yeah, and uh, obviously it's free and free and open source. It's very easy to do things badly Anyone can download a docker image many do We compete with only office and it's interesting that you know, we talk to hosters and they're like, yeah We use the free version and then we patch it and remove these files And we grab their binary docker image from ages ago and we tweak this and tweak that so that we can For free provide something that and we you know, we shard it into lots and lots of little things to try and avoid limits and I mean there's a lot of There's a lot of very cute nurse going on out there that doesn't fill me with the you know the the competence feeling But of course it works for many many users um Yeah, and it's it's cheap to do it badly and lots of people do that and it's a shame So we try and build a brand that means that it's done well And we try and encourage people to pay for stuff because otherwise we can't pay our staff. That's that's pretty much how it goes So we you know my job, I guess in charge of this excellent team is to try and feed them, you know Try and help them and enable them and give them the equipment and the tasks To do that that, you know, our customers want or will want Of course we do in lots of languages all around the world And if you want to if you want to be involved with that come and come and grab me There's also some special prices for various different cases and so on But enough commercial pluggery. Let me talk about features and LibreOffice and things So tools to mention how good the LibreOffice technology Positioning is I love it. Tala is cunning cunning design of this I think it's a fantastic way of explaining what we do and how we can do it together And I'm just going to Yeah, I'm just going to say how please we are to contribute You know, it's it's really good to be part of the LibreOffice Development community and just show you some of the things some of the things you've done a few examples I can't summarize the I don't know how many thousand commits That we did in the last year. Um, this is a particularly annoying one I who has seen this dialogue at the bottom. I mean I this is the are you still awake a bit? Okay, a few people are yeah, and that's good. Okay. Well, we're all done for being awake. That's good I'm possibly the most annoying one in the world and and we get customers, you know Anyway, this is a very popular bug And also very difficult to fix It's a really really nasty I mean we could have fixed it very badly and wasted huge amounts of memory and and brought your machine to its knees But anyway, thankfully a good thing came out of the crypto bubble a bubble. Sorry market So, um, this is wonderful company dev devx dow that is doing decentralized blockchain something crypto everything are good And uh through mohammed carers company, which is great. Hopefully we'll remember my head Um, he they provided work that allowed us to do this which is which is fantastic And of course to bring it online with some e-c money as well Um artificial intelligence people are say to me. What's your artificial intelligence story? I don't know why they say that but they they feel we should have one And probably we should I mean, I don't know seems like it's uh, it's a trendy thing I'm so here's what here's one way we can do bring ai to to libra office and uh, that's through a grammar checking so Some parts of a grammar checking are really not susceptible to to ai for example Uh checking your isp n is got the correct checksum like it is an actual isp n It's not very good for ai other parts of it in terms of you know, some of the more complicated sentence structure pieces are Now libra office has had, uh language tool support for a long time But the language tool company Makes a beautiful server product that sits in the in the cloud and actually it's a really encouraging example of an open source company Building an open source product and and doing well until I love it and they're based in germany language tooler Okay, go to potstown and see Daniel nabber and what what he's doing and I guess partly they they They ride on gramma li's adverts. I I I constantly see gramma li adverts. Maybe it's just me but um You know the not very good grammar checker with a very large amount of marketing Turns out to be uh, you know, you can sell it and and it's a little bit annoying to me who struggles I mean if you see the prices early 18 dollars a seat list price for for collaborate online, right? They're charging that a month or more For just the grammar checker, which is which is interesting. Um, anyway, so thanks to avanis for helping accelerate this But we now have the the web remote Grammar checking api think merts did that and it will call out to the server and you know, give your text to them Of course, you can do that on premise because we're kind of privacy focused company You know You don't really want the grammar all of the text you type to be sent over the internet to someone else Um, and so that's not on by default. Obviously, you can turn it on with with their server Or you can run your own language tool server locally, but yeah, nice to have Spark lines another another feature that our aggressive competition have been pointing out that we don't have And so so some great work there. Uh, thanks. Thanks for for doing that. And of course that's back to the The ec um have have done some some work under like a business accelerator grant scheme, which has been very very helpful To to do that so um, and these are essentially just a little chart in a cell that shows you a trend so Yeah, I mean like you could do the same by embedding a chart and turning off the axes and stuff, but Anyway, we need to be interoperable and it's not it's not done like that. There's a very very simple charting. I made that This came out of I think the french government wanted this so I think um There's a dj-fip Organization and I think they're having problems with their copy and paste And it turns out that we haven't had the latest image support We are many years out of date and wouldn't it be good to uh to have it so anyway Merging that in so now you can copy and paste between the browser and elsewhere Using webp and of course render lots of images in that way content controls I think Torsten mentioned earlier the the work we've done there. Miklos has been Making a whole load of these these things work very nicely Which is which is kind of cool. Um, particularly for governments. Uh, who are riddled with forms You know, that's uh, that's what government is about isn't it collecting the same information again and again And again I once went to a hack fest in the national health service and there was a guy there and he'd been to every doctor's surgery In his just his county and every hospital and he collected the form that they used to you know ingest you And all of these forms asked the same questions 50 questions Um in a different order and a different layout was slightly different. It was quite encouraging. Anyway, look can't have enough forms Um, but wouldn't it be nice if they're electronic and you could also fill them and you know do good things Anyway, so so but this is really helping people make more forms easily. You'll be pleased to know and um But but anyway, we're exporting them to pdf. Hopefully nicely now and making this Work work really nicely and this is something that we can't the words can't do as I understand it You know, you need to use an adobe thingy to do it Um, but hopefully that'll be a nice unique feature for LibreOffice 75 Um color theming. So another thing that's really irritating is the blue box problem in LibreOffice Um, you know, every time you click you get a blue box, right full of blue And it's probably not what you wanted and wouldn't it be nice if it fitted in with other things in the document? Um, say we're slowly moving in the direction of making it less blue Which which is probably good Chart data table. So another big key interrupt feature people have these charts. They put them in their slides Microsoft has this feature of putting a little data table underneath the chart so you can see what's going on And allowing you to edit that and so on and quicky has done some great work here to uh To make that work in in LibreOffice, uh, which is Which is useful people complain when the the chart the the data is missing Yeah, and it's it's been like that for a long time A depot translation stuff also built in so mert I think is I think I hope he's merges the master Um, but this is essentially a you know a way to to integrate a depot server You have to have an api key annoyingly. Um, so yeah, who knows but enterprises that have Translation needs can put this inside their VPN and then you know translate to their heart's content built into write-on So that's good. Well, why show contributions lots and lots of people have contributed many things and that's good And we are only one part of the community obviously And many people will be talking about the cool stuff they've done at this conference and we're looking forward to To hearing those talks, but we really want to encourage people to Get support and services from companies that contribute back Maybe not my company, but just any company that contributes back. That's really key So please when you buy a product or a service, you know ask, you know, what? What have you contributed back upstream? How's that work? Who have you worked with that contributes back? And you know, it's useful. It's useful to remember that all of those things are done paid for by customers You know, like there's no free right here So I'd like to talk a little bit about the document foundation I have a few thoughts and trends and asks and I hear I hear things around the place So I just want to say this it shouldn't need saying but I will say it anyway. Colabora loves LibreOffice, right? Um I hear that people are trying to destroy tdf. I don't know who they are, but it's not us We help tdf in many ways and you can see later We're we're arguably the largest code contributor and we review and we mentor and we encourage people to join LibreOffice And we help them do it every day And we help users too There are other variants of they contribute too much Which is which is a good criticism. I like to hear this criticism. This is this is good I I feel very relaxed about that But then of course people worry that they might stop contributing too much, you know, and then well, that would be bad But again, there are no plans to stop contributing too much, right? I mean like please don't drive us away, but at least, you know, we we don't want to do that Um, I hear amazingly that colabora doesn't want in-house developers at tdf Well, that's not true either and we do we just want them to be peers in the community We want them to be tasked by the board as normal managed by the ed and the team as normal and helping to grow the community You know as as real members of our community and not, you know stuck off and hopefully we can hire these people soon So, I mean, I I I just encourage you to be aware of polarizing narratives If you hear something that seems very strange and doesn't fit with what's happening Um, yeah, please please do uh, you know challenge that or come and ask is it really true? That this is happening and so on Um, and I think, you know, even after we disagree on details I think torsten captured this really well, you know, we have a large overlapping goal of making tdf succeed And I read these slides last night. So, you know, there's obviously some group think going on somewhere um Another thing that I hear is that um, you know tdf has to do this Um, you know, it's really it's really vital and tdf absolutely must do this and it's it's unfortunately english Doesn't have a good way of saying this is mandatory versus I passionately feel that you should do this And so it's completely fair that to say You know for me, it's vital that tdf does that right? But please don't dress this up in some legal language saying it is legally mandatory that tdf does this tdf has very very wide freedom It does not have to pursue all its goals simultaneously or to the same extent and here's a good example of something that we do relatively little of Actually, we leave it the ecosystem this training of governments and private organizations about the use of the software through Seminars and workshops and so on is notionally a goal of tdf Arguably it's something that we could fund and resource And advertise using our brand and push out there But it turns out that one of the ways we really succeed and lathe has done a great job Building, you know certifying these people who's building an ecosystem of trainers around the project that do a fantastic job They they do this already, you know, like why would tdf want to come and Duplicate something that works well And provides, you know great input to the community and people around the project that do good things I mean that to me would be nonsensical, right? So it may be explicit written black and white goal of the foundation But it's something that we can choose to not pursue To the same extent as some other things that we do as a board. I'm not on the board Luckily, so someone else can wrestle with that problem. Uh, similarly, you know, uh, introducing software to children and adolescents Um, I mean as those done some fantastic work on lego Libra logo, you know, and there and there are all sorts of things in schools, right? Um, but none of that as as I can see has been done by tdf per se. I think Libra Talia have done some some good things Um, and maybe that's something we should look at more of but again It's not something that tdf itself is choosing choosing to do it's happy to let you know the whole wider wider community do these things. So I think that's really good I think it's worth so so my plea there really is just be just be careful how you express what you want to to say and not make it a Polarizing black and white it has to be this versus it has to be that we have we have space I think Right. So here is here is how tdf. I think works. Um, I don't know if uh, that's how it really works But it it's supposed to be there One of the things I'd like to uh say is that I think uh as our manifesto says, you know, we encourage corporate participation by sponsoring individuals to work as equals alongside other contributors in the community We have a bit of a problem at the moment of Trying to other or or divide or exclude or say these people are not part of our community They are bad and other and different and they have different goals and you know And I think the reality is that everyone has different goals. There are many different goals that people have Um In as much as they overlap with tdf's goals, uh, and its mission We should work with them and even if they don't overlap with tdf's goals But they're good for things that are tdf's goals, then we should work with them and I I pretty distressed to see People being excluded who have vast experience and goodwill and love for the project From many many places where it would be better to include them. There would be better decision making And better better results. It seems to me. So I think there are there are concerns some serious concerns about that And that sort of comes down to balancing interests. There's a lot of talk about interests So here are a few ideas and maybe you maybe you can think about this. So so here's one idea Perhaps everything should serve tdf's goals that we do here, right like the community serves tdf And they should be directed by tdf Right top down. That's one vision. Okay These are extreme ones. I I called them straw men on my slide before right? Um, But people don't know what straw men are. They're they're like an unrealistic caricature of an extreme So that's an extreme view. Here's another extreme view tdf serves the community, right? its goal is to Do only what the community wants it to do And you know like its direction should just be an average of what everybody wants to do in LibreOffice, right? Well, I think that's also not not really the case, right? So like tdf has a mission and it should serve its mission obviously Like so so it has an independent goal and we've written it down, right? Like you can look at it But it has also wide flexibility in how it meets that goal, right? So it seems to me that wisely collaborating with other people who have very different goals um It is kind of obviously the right thing to do Right and all participants had interest. I mean, it's a great tragedy to me that oracle and sun left the project I mean, I think it was one of the the worst things that we've Screwed up early in the project was somehow not winning them over. I mean it was a difficult ask but Possibly were we to do it again? Well, I don't know anyway, but You know so but say amd amd did a huge amount of work for tdf With tdf and through collabora and and just improve the software hugely But only for a time right and it's ludicrous to think that amd's goals are going to match tdf's goals That's a nonsense, isn't it right? I mean it's a gigantic multi billion company But if we can find areas of cooperation and collaboration where we can leverage the huge resources that others have Then well, you know, why wouldn't we? You know, why wouldn't we do that and I'm encouraged I mean back in the day there were some compromises there that were needed to do that and and tdf did though, you know made those And got a great result Another another thing I'm thinking about is transparency. So I think in the last board there were some really big improvements in transparency I think lethar helped helped lead those um and a lot of the board's business was brought out as it were into the open um and That's probably a good thing like I mean, you know, like we have commitments to do this and so on in our statutes But the balance there of what should be open and shouldn't be is is Again, not obvious. It's it's not like a you know, all this or all that it's some and some And that required lots of background if everybody is now going to be involved in this discussion There are a lot of things that people need to know right and that makes it tolo's life very hard because Well, I'm Mike's life because you know in publicly our public marketing is as a picture of happiness and unity and fun and beauty and you know Just this very lovely coherent thing that is this Libra office but actually under the hood As Bismarck says, you know He was a pretty successful politician. I believe um, you know laws are like sausages. It's better not to be see them being made Right And so I don't think it's really a surprise that we see conflict or you know discussion heated discussion Uh that that's spreading outside the board that previously was perhaps more isolated to the board Um, so yeah, I mean this uh, which is which is a shame and possibly we get that balance wrong sometimes it seems to me that yeah, like There's so much information there. There's so much to be said you can have very long mail threads with You know lots of confusing stuff in it and I don't know what value it adds Um and what leadership, you know should do that But anyway, the the board is at least more transparent, which is which is probably a good thing One of the things is that our executive is not really transparent. And I think that's probably reasonable Um in the in the in the past like so with with the with the board fighting each other in private Wouldn't it be nice to insulate our staff from the consequences of that and seeing it going on And wouldn't it be good to avoid micro management so florian can get on with his job and and do it without Interference, you know and and so on But I think in today's in today's board, you know, we have an anachronism there that the staff have private and closed discussions regularly the board are not allowed to attend and yeah What what said is not not minuted and doesn't escape that group I've been in a few of the open ones of those where interesting things are said that are not like controversial just useful and technical Technical discussion that I think should happen in the open Um And then there's the private staff list, which is possibly, you know, one of the most closed lists we have at tdf Um that has no board presence and oversight and that seems to me Unhelpful in terms of getting the staff on the board to work together Um smoothly and seamlessly so Not my decision, but I encourage you to think of that and I think this is my last slide of of sort of interesting things Um meritocracy I hear often meritocracy is uh the membership criteria, right? You know, it's fulfilled by ensuring that to be a member you have to have done something You know and contributed meaningfully Um, but every nonprofit has some kind of membership criteria To me that doesn't seem to fulfill the goal of listening to people In a way that reflects the value and the experience and what they bring to the project And I I see people with vast experience in some areas Being ignored or told they don't know what they're talking about and It it just seems to me that this is something that at least as developers we take quite It comes quite easily like it it's it's fair enough to have some newbie arrive with a patch That's brilliant and we encourage that Um, but if they start arguing with someone who is extremely experienced in that area and has written the code and maintained it And gets all of the problems That does just seem very silly. I mean like, you know, it's a great way to look silly If you want to if you want to do that and I think We need to retain and regain perhaps that Understanding that it's basic common sense to to weigh heavily Not take the gospel obviously you can be experienced and wrong But to weigh heavily You know the advice and input of those who actually know a lot about one area And I think the ESC perhaps does this quite well and it's one of the most peaceful places And and I think it's focused on just doing it and and and perhaps realizes that people don't have to be there I mean like the ESC is really not a command and control thing It's like a grouping of people who meet to try and discuss You know how we can work together to resolve any conflicts to say what we're doing But not to tell people what to do per se We try and gently embarrass people who have regressions into fixing them, but Yeah, be useful and fun. So that's my TDF things. Let me talk just a little bit about uh, Collabra online And some of the last year's improvements So one of the things was that we we spent quite a lot of time Trying to get the LibreOffice technology branding into uh, Collabra online into next cloud office, which arrived in the last year And into our our partners office suites, too Um, I'm thrilled to see next cloud office on the TDF infrastructure, but for a long time We didn't have the right logo in there So it's really annoying because Gilham has a brilliant Cross-site scripting avoidance something and so it wouldn't download it from our server But now it does it remotely and all as well So so we have the right branding there and it's really important to us that when you click on that you you find You find out about LibreOffice and you learn about LibreOffice technology We keep this We don't put it in our software We put it on our website so it can be taken down immediately because we're you know like And my hope is that the legal team will sort out the trademark situation in a beautiful way soon Everything will be clear and crisp and and they'll stick with that for a while So so but either way we we we try and credit people and we even have pictures you may find yourself there So so hopefully you know when your smiling faces are showing up on the on the team photo later Will show up because we want to be saying we want to be talking about LibreOffice We want to be saying how good it is to to be involved with LibreOffice obviously And any there's a whole load of features we've done so there's javascript sidebar. We've we've improved things Precise anchoring better user experience on mobile accessibility checkers Coming to online various dialogues and properties improved performance in various ways bandwidth reduction so now Collaboration line streams tiles and deltas to them So it's a bit like I guess a key frame and then changes to it which can save lots of bandwidth And cpu time a more cpu time savings coming. I'm trying to get my patch fixed loads of polish on the user experience. So this is It's hard to understate how important user experience is and I'm sure haiko will tell us this later But but it's easy to think oh that feature is what's important, but actually having a polished ui Has an amazingly pleasant effect, you know and and I think as we think about improving LibreOffice as a product I think user experience is one thing where we could significantly invest. I think we have a have a gap There that we could happily fill In a totally non-controversial way And and make it you know make it a product that people not only fills a gap not only does lots of things in a powerful way But just feels sexy To use a random sexualized word Lots of lots of commits then stress testing from ethos magic lots of things more than I can possibly put on the slide A whole load of non-collabbrans Helping there in the last year and thank you to everyone who's on that list We have a if you're interested in coming to berlin after the LibreOffice conference We're going to be doing some some fun stuff there alongside the next cloud conference this year So in nine years, what have we done? Well, we're still contributing significantly to LibreOffice Actually a smaller proportion of the commits and let me tell you commits are not everything You know, there are people as well and people are probably you know I'm Torsten's got a got the right focus people are people are key But it's obviously nice if they you know get lots of commits too But so this is a smaller proportion collaborator shrinking as a proportion there And I have this always on the side of my slides every year. We need to improve our ecosystem diversity wise And let's make sure that people can build successful businesses around it And that's the really the best way to do it And we serve in lots of ways This is uh This is you know, well, I mean, you know, I don't know you may not think that two board members is is easy to You know to dedicate but some of these people come out of those meetings totally demotivated, you know It's not just the meeting time of an hour. It's like the day to recover, you know and and try and get get back into Some sensible state And of course mentoring and summer of code and all of these things we do lots of things to help Tdf and tell people about LibreOffice. And of course, it's all done by the team And those people in black somehow somehow they get to the top of the list commit list and also manage a team I mean, that's that's that's pretty impressive. I yeah, I'm well, I'm well impressed anyway It's it's not easy You know, it seems easy to hire lots of developers and then all your problems are fixed But actually you have to manage and motivate and task and inspire and help and you know Encourage them to do good things as well. And that's that's not easy. And so we're hiring. So if you want to join the team Talk to me work from anywhere role to do any of these things. We'd love to have you on board and Here's a picture of us and I'm nearly there. I think oh, I in fact was there Cool. So so in conclusion Collabra loves LibreOffice. I think that's a key message that we have And we see LibreOffice and making it better is actually an application of our mission Which is to make, you know, free and open source software rock We want to liberate people's documents Our goals are not the same as tdfs, but they overlap hugely It's all paid for by our customers and our partners and we can't do anything Without a customer or partner or someone to pay the bill And you may look at the collaborator and think oh, what fun they can do anything they like We get to do exactly what our customers tell us to do and our partners. That's it And alongside our staff branding is really one of our only assets So we really appreciate you telling people about Collabra It's a pleasure to be able to sponsor the conference Thank you so much for being here and come and talk to me later on my team. It'd be fantastic. Thank you