 And so we want to get in a bunch and so we smoked it and it was garbage and From what I understand the elements Were in that stuff that I smoked has only gotten more potent Which has become you know a bigger and bigger problem more dangerous and and to be clear This is at a time when there were no laws There were no laws of regarding synthetic weed Yeah, what was the stuff? They've just started to put in place laws against them. Anyway, we got an email about it in the show Yeah, there was a there was a thing. Oh god. I can't remember it now But it was definitely one of those like people were hysterical about it And like there were all these YouTube videos of people like freaking out on it That rings a bell actually Might have known about that just forgot it Yeah, someone's gonna know it in the chat Need control. Oh, yeah, you're a control freak Also, it's your job There you go So I'm gonna be at bacon tomorrow So Zoe brings bacon But I'll bring bacon. You'll be at bacon That's a chat room joke if you don't get it and TV see God anticipates me Contributions that I can have to the show that don't involve me admitting crimes Film me sweeted a picture of a Colonel Sanders impersonator. Yeah, he got the card for and it totally explains the fact that I Was in Orlando at a cigar bar and why there was a Colonel Sanders literally just sitting at the at the bar Not part of a promotion Sanders by himself drinking and smoking cigars, which was one of the weirdest things I've ever seen and now a Reason at the why it was happening. All right, we are ready to go. Are you ready, sir? Yeah, three two one The Daily Tech news shows brought to you by listeners just like me and you not outside organizations to find out how you can contribute Visit Daily Tech news show comm forward slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday, May 25 2017 I'm Tom married Justin Robert young in the house was in his house I'm in my house. You're in your house or maybe you're at work. I don't know. How's it going everybody? Probably driving if you're driving right driving both hands in the air. Just kidding. Don't do that. That's illegal Both hands in the air like you just don't care about safety or the law. Yeah, this was a trick. You're being arrested I'm speaking to be arrested. We're gonna talk about spice later on in the show The drug it must flow. Yeah, it must flow It's a it's a fan mail Thursday, which I know we figured out a name for and I can't remember what it is mail Junction, but where are the mayors? Yes, exactly. We've got an Egyptian speaker who answered our call for an interpretation of the new proposed laws about social media in Egypt That's coming up. We got the spicy mail We got someone in the ad industry with an analysis of Google attribution and what he would rather have instead Let's start with a few tech things you should know about Go girl has a faster and longer range version of its electric scooter that has a more efficient motor with a more classic Scooter look the go girl to will go on sale this summer in Taiwan for 38,800 new Taiwanese dollars It's about $1,295 us Looks pretty slick. I know it's got that classic look. I kind of want it Yeah, also, they have an expanded battery swap system, which I wonder if that's something that could make its way to the United States That's the key Starting May 31st T-Mobile USA will let customers assign their own phone number to up to five phones or other portable devices Customers can also assign up to five phone numbers for a single device and purchase temporary numbers for use in things like Craigslist postings Disposable numbers. I like it. I like it. I don't know if I'm gonna do this. I'm a T-Mobile USA customer, but yeah, you know The idea of getting a bird or phone number you can do that on apps and stuff like that It's fairly easy to do doing it through to you T-Mobile is interesting But it kind of makes you this is my new or not a new But this is one of my weird theories that phone numbers and specifically the area codes are becoming our modern-day heraldry That like I will forever have a nine five four number and so I'll be known as being from Broward County, Florida It'll follow you throughout throughout your life. I'm four one five I wish I was six one eight, but I'm four one five. That's just where that's just where I was when I got that phone It's because you sold out your homeland Eugene Kaspersky offered to testify To let us throw authorities get examined his source code And more after some US authorities stopped using Kaspersky security software Because it's a Russian company So worth talking about because Kaspersky within the security community has a fairly sterling reputation Eugene Kaspersky is somebody that is well-regarded as an expert in his field To me. I have no proof on any of this It just feels like somebody else wants a contract and somebody else wants influence within whispering in some ears, you know, I'm not saying there's any problem with a Russian company, but uh, you know wink wink doesn't Eugene Kaspersky look tired I Alpha go beat Chinese go master key G for the second time Thursday clenching a win in the best of three series after the game key said last year I think the way Alpha go played was pretty close to human beings, but today I think he plays like the god of Go You can't spell go without the first two letters of God This is fairly amazing just because you know It wasn't but a year and a half ago that a lot of this stuff was thought to be Impossible right was thought to be too complex. They require too much intuition now We got some emails from folks who are saying yeah But the thing about go is you don't always play to win you play for the enjoyment of the game And how can an AI play enjoy the game? But you know and so it That that alone right there shows me that we've made an advance We've made an advance from saying like let's talk about what AI's or whether AI's are smart enough to be like yeah But are they really are they really sent yet? Are they really people like that this conversation is moving along in a very interesting direction Now here are some more top stories sources tell Reuters Facebook has signed deals with Vox media Buzzfeed ATTN group 9 media and others to make original video shows a new video service from Facebook would have long and Short-form content supported by ad breaks Facebook a ticket cut of those Scripted shows would run 20 to 30 minutes and unscripted shows range between five and ten minutes long and Facebook is according to this Reuters Story paying up to $250,000 for the longer shows and between ten and thirty five thousand dollars for the shorter episodes shows would premiere Exclusively on Facebook, but then after a period of time the creators would own the content and be able to show it on their own sites So Facebook is paying for the creation of long-form content that after a window Players can take wherever they want or the creators can take wherever they want to their own home sites Exactly They are doing what YouTube did when they paid for channels when they subsidized channels to kind of boost them off to the ground We've actually talked about this on your live stream on Twitch today A lot of people still view that as a failure and there's perfectly good reasons to do so But I don't think YouTube does YouTube looked at it with different goals than we as viewers that did YouTube said Will this get people to understand what channels can do will it increase views and it did those things? Also at the time YouTube was facing the Viacom lawsuit They were as they always will be chasing away a history of being the place where pirated content is Distributed throughout the world and so the idea of funding original programming was very attractive to them the play Here is the fact that the highest ad rates go for video So they want what YouTube now wants which is all their content to be longer So they can put more advertising inside of it and two to fifty thousand dollars sounds like a lot And it's certainly something to make a pretty decent show out of but they they house of cards money You're not getting oranges the new black or Westworld out of this Oh, certainly. No, but but to be fair That is the top end of where we are at in terms of television budget So two hundred and fifty thousand dollars is nothing to scoff at especially if Especially if it only comes With the idea that you have to debut it within this certain window And then you can still go air it on your own site on YouTube and everywhere else per episode. This is you're talking Something like like a discovery channel level promotion that you know Serious production, but but not like super high-end. No Politico reports Apple has named New York magazine's Lauren Kern as editor-in-chief of Apple news Mac rumor points out eddy Q has previously said that Apple wants a veteran news source to make sure that There was a vet news sources to make sure that they are legitimate Apple news is a curated service pulling from leading news Sources Tom This is the first editor-in-chief that Apple news Will ever have claimed as their own. Yes. Do you believe? That this is the first step toward them building up their own news gathering and writing organization I Could see it both ways. I really can I mean on the one side Why not with Facebook paying money to people to create content for video? Apple wants to be you know seen as a place that has high-quality news or they wouldn't be pouring all this money They wouldn't have changed the newsstand to Apple news. They wouldn't have put their name on it Why not do a little original reporting to get people in there to get people in the fence? They may they may still want the bulk of the content in Apple news to be provided by outside sources But sure why why not get get some journalism in there on the other hand? Apple is perfectly happy throwing money at people Just to do the bare minimum just to do the curation and they could still make the same They could they could make the same pitch of like if you want to avoid fake news if you want to avoid bad Waste of time clickbait headlines use Apple news because we have these top journalists former New York Times Magazine and New York Magazine editor-in-chief making sure that only the good stuff gets to Apple news To me it's a hundred percent chance that they start hiring reporters They have hired reporters that Chris Breen is there, you know, there's a bunch of reporters that went there into a black hole We assume this is what they were hired to start working on Does seem like a waste to have all those names right and not have them writing stuff expert specifically because they Apple doesn't care where everything comes from they want you to trust Apple news And so they're happy that they can credit these other sources when they are the other stories But they want to treat the rest of the news media like their AP like their Reuters Here are stories that we can plug into what we would consider to be our newspaper front page But you know what newspaper have when newspaper front pages also have original reporting and especially for Stuff like politics and business and technology It's very very easy to just hire people to write it yourself Now maybe this is my radio roots showing but Shane in our chat room IRC.chatroom.net Says I could see them having a news version of beats one radio What if what if it was not creating long-form journalism? What if it was just curating the news and then doing Rip and read You know you want more details on the story Be sure to open your Apple news app and get that Washington Post story Hmm Interesting like they would do their own 10 10 win. Yeah, I mean they're going after print people Do you think they'd be going after more radio people if that was the case, but still? well as as ESPN has shown us there is a rich well of Newspaper people that you can train to speak on television and radio. Yeah Microsoft changed the name of its live streaming service It used to be called beam and now it would be called mixer Mixers also getting some new features along with the new name Co-streaming for up to four streamers. In fact, you can even make it so your friends can just join in on your stream If they see that you're streaming Broadcasting apps are coming to iOS and Android. They're in beta But they will eventually be able to stream gameplay from your mobile phone So people on an Xbox one could watch you out and about in the world Maybe even playing crash of clans or something and a new guide is coming to the Xbox one version of the mixer app It'll be called channel one the ideas make it easier to find streams of the kinds of things you're looking for Microsoft obviously sees the fact that live video is exploding on every possible front but maybe the biggest is Twitch which was purchased by the fellow Pacific Northwestern powerhouse Amazon not but what two years ago now. Yeah they the company that has Xbox and Microsoft under their corporate umbrella really cannot afford to sit out the live video streaming revolution I think that it is it is a necessity for them to play in this space even if it's just as an easy way to Play second fiddle to somebody like twitch in terms of the video game space There's enough people there that that can be successful for them considering they can build in the hooks into their native game and device Yet at the same time I don't know if this really gives anybody who wants to take the time to stream themselves playing video games, which can be time consuming Any other tools? Why do you want to commit to this platform right now? I mean On the one hand, it's almost risk-free for Microsoft to do this They have all of the parts to make this happen With with I don't mean to belittle the effort But it's way easier for Microsoft to do this then say Justin can to have started Justin TV, right? Like they've already got powerful cloud servers and video experts and all this stuff So so they're at an advantage. Why wouldn't you do it? And then why? Why you would use it would be you're on the xbox one And it's right front and center you can start it up Maybe you don't realize how to use twitch exactly and you're like, well, hey, this is right here I'm an xbox one fan and I see Of my friends streaming on mixer all the time in my feed on the xbox one So I know they're going to see it. Maybe I'll reach more people It's a toes in the water for everybody Microsoft gets to put a toe on the water of live streaming beyond just gaming right by putting these apps out there Fans of the xbox get to put a toe on the water of streaming without dedicating themselves to the full twitch Universe that you know, they could stay in the their little safe xbox one universe that they're more familiar with Uh, so yeah, it may not be a success for any of them But I can see why people might want to try it out It's a hundred percent failure if they don't try. I totally agree with you there I don't know exactly how much of the market share they're going to get But you probably shouldn't trust my opinion on the success of mixer because my wife works for twitch The american customer satisfaction index released results on its own surveys on smartphone brands the iphone se topped the list follow followed by a tie Between the galaxy s6 edge plus and the iphone 7 plus Motorola was the top non samsung or apple phone on the list at Number 21 with the top 20. Yeah So even the galaxy grand prime is number 20 Just for reference in customer satisfaction. I don't even know what that phone is Only distributed to prime ministers Yes, and grand masters That's it Just what a a picture of dominance 10 years in To the the iphone experience Uh, and and of course subsequently android having the tremendous success that it has experienced That there are two brands apparently that people like the best and it's not Anything but those it's not anything but iphone's and galaxies or samsung's Which is kind of shocking considering in our world, especially with android it's the You know super clean non bloatware google pixels of the world that tend to get a lot of the unrestrained praise right HTC has gotten a lot of praise. I think a lot of phone reviewers Look for subtle differences That that set things apart and that's why they give those the praises to those phones Those subtle differences are lost on a lot of people and again, we're not talking about market share We're not talking about what people are buying. We're talking about satisfaction I like this phone and i'm satisfied with it. The iphone se is the bargain phone People are like I didn't have to spend an arm and a leg on it I didn't have to wait in line to get it and it does everything I want I think it's interesting too. If you look at the top 10 It's a lot of pluses. Yes, the se is at the top, but then the edge plus the seven plus Uh the six plus the six s plus Uh, there's there's the larger phones seem to Get a little bit higher satisfaction than others Because everybody wants that big beautiful gorgeous screen While they use the same data that they already pay for for their phone I think that that's that is a paradigm that is as clear as day to me that We don't want to pay for separate data. We we already feel like we pay too much for data And and we want to watch our movies and our netflix right there on our big gigantic shield of a phone And as we are at least in the us anyway as we are an android and ios operating system world We're a samsung and apple phone world. Uh, yeah, there's lots of other phones to choose from out there Man for good or ill people just aren't satisfied with them That i'm i'm shocked. I'm actually surprised that that not one of those Clean install android phones. I'm not an android user. So I don't I can't I can't speak to it But certainly if you would have asked me That one of those kinds of phones, uh, would have cracked the top 20 I would have I would have bet a lot of money on it Let's go to the uh, the other aging market pcs lenovo returned to profitability earning 97 cents a share in q4 on revenue of 9.58 billion Just a shade under what analysts had expected At 9.6 billion pc shipments which represented 70 percent of levin lenovo's revenue declined 1 That's a small decline and more than half the decline of the overall pc market which declined 2.4 percent in the same period lenovo increased its overall pc market share to 21.4 percent in the quarter lenovo's overall losses came from its data center and mobility divisions Motorola Losing 566 million in the data center sector and 343 million in mobility lenovo working hard to get into smart speakers and all kinds of other uh sectors Right now top of a declining heap I'm sorry tom. I'm still getting over the fact that you referred to the pc market very obviously But also the smartphone market as aging which just made me want to die immediately and be buried under a pile of fidget spinners Uh Fidget spinners, uh, take me right back to the teens one of the oh, sorry Uh, lenovo They are You know who said you can't make money in pcs these days, right? All these other like you mentioned before with mixer being microsoft's toe in the water for live video Certainly these other declining divisions are their toes in the water to what we all imagine to be the future of these companies And yet they're coughing up cash and turns out they can sell a good pc for a profit in 2017 Cheers to you lenovo. Yeah, somebody had to be able to do it. Uh, it it's just not everybody that can do it Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our sub reddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com huge help In making the show get in there and vote It's fan mail thursday or wait a minute w scottis. I think cracked it. Uh, it was your thoughts thursday Huh? Maybe i don't know um, let's start with one from an anonymous person in the advertising industry who wrote, uh, and Had a nice email talking about how Companies that sell 95 of their products offline Have no way to know if digital advertising is effective. Uh, not no way, but it's very difficult if you if you sell Let's say yogurt, right? Maybe selling some of that on amazon fresh or something, but most of your yogurt is sold offline One way to get around this problem is to ab test So you can target the millennials with your yogurt commercials Uh, and then exclude Uh, the olds like no no 34 50s They're not going to get any of our yogurt commercials and then see if that affects the numbers, right? A grateful patron writes attribution google attributions modeling is a bit different It tries to capture a history of as many variables as possible and correlates it to historical observed purchases Problem is you can never capture all Relevant variables and even if you did say in a minority report kind of world Nothing guarantees that an attribution model is sophisticated as google's is will be able to disentangle correlation from causation My big question is why doesn't google and the other digital platforms gaffam Put in place transparent ab testing platforms instead of this complex and untrust worthy albeit Attribution black box Maybe it is because every single randomized experiment. We've been able to run it has Extremely low impact on offline sales or maybe there are other reasons that still elude the advertiser community I got guesses What's your guess? What's your best guess, Justin? number one the history of the internet Has long also mirrored the history of advertisers and businesses not understanding the internet and being fearful of it Sure to the advertising solutions that they have known to work since they were knee-high to a grasshopper uh, uh, even The the up fronts that just happened for television networks Uh, the common refrain no matter whether they be did a broadcast television or cable television was all Don't spend money on digital Look at how facebook has misreported numbers. Look at how unreliable it is Just stay with your old pop-up broadcast television. That's where you should be spending your dollars clorox so If you are digital advertising and you are obviously exploding you kind of know now that the tide is moving towards you The idea becomes Prove to those that still don't believe that this is scientific And in fact, you can do the thing that television and print media and every other legacy Of media can't you can show the results or you can show the process of how we got this ad in front of exactly The right person so the more rube goldbergie the more and this is where the second part of my guess comes in the more brandable And specific they can be per platform The more google knows they're going to win the war against legacy media Now google is looking at How do we beat facebook? How do we beat the next big digital media challenger as now all that money comes toward us And we fight amongst each amongst each other Google wants to show that they've got the recipe and it's secret to them And that's why you need to show it. Will it be more effective? Probably not, but why does that matter to an advertising? Well, and this grateful patron is saying like I'm seeing through your snake oil like there ain't nothing there And I think that is a fair perspective right now Theoretically though, and I've been saying this since I worked for tech tv.com and zdtv.com back in the day putting an ad up on a web page And and not forget about clicking right and just saying here's our product go try it Shouldn't be any different than putting an ad in a magazine Yeah, because you can't click on the magazine You can't set a cookie on a person who's reading a magazine The same appeal the same ability to track should work in both Ways and in fact the web should be better because you can tell a little bit more about the person reading it The problem is digital advertising isn't yet In the same mind space for people so we don't have big glossy photos that really capture your attention on the web That's why people try to do page takeovers all it does is annoy people it actually drives them the other way You don't have beautiful video of how delicious your yogurt looks because we didn't really have high definition video advertising But that's why facebook's trying to make original video right because they want to take advantage of that We're moving towards digital being able To appeal to the people who see the ads at the same level that television and magazines have in the past But we're not there yet and until until that all plays out Then I kind of on the side of our grateful patron here Oh, I I Totally agree with him. I don't think that I don't think that this will be well I'll say this I do think that it is More scientific than what we've seen before which is basically the old You know scattershot model of I'll put it in a popular thing and a lot of people watch it I know what the ratings are that means that we got in front of x amount of people But I remember when I used to run the advertising on our magic blog i-tricks.com It was the constant fight. I could show no matter how many times I would show people that wanted to buy Advertising how many more people viewed this than in The leading magazines in the space and that's their announced circulation Not counting for how many just end up on door stops that you are never getting How many are put somewhere else that just are totally or just totally inflated circulation numbers I could say every day imagine if your ad got in front of what they promise you every single day man I don't get it. I'll just spend the money on genie magazine Also tvz gone points that you can set a cookie on a person. It would just most likely fall off or be Hi roger tom and justin robert young on show 30 37 writes apostle of broadband riko the apostle of broadband jesus A richman lovely cleveland shared the news about block stacks peer-to-peer internet Of course, there are others out there, but worth adding to the list is zero net i o You can download and run a small program in the background And then you can use the normal browser to surf the net and zero net ios network It's a very cool idea torrent freaks podcast steal this show Uh season two episode one has a great interview with the developer and founder thomas cascus So yeah A lot of minds working really hard on distributed internet And the more that we see controversy over things like that neutrality the more motivated these people are going to be So I would I would keep an eye on it. That's good to know Hey tom roger and guest I just listened episode 30 33 where you talked about the egyptian proposed bill That if passed would force social media users to register their account with the authorities You asked if any listeners who speak egyptian could send you a translation of the bill So here I am your egyptian reporter reporting for duty Here is a summary of the bill a social network can be any Communication medium from facebook to whatsapp The law in theory applies to any person within egypt egyptians and foreigners alike Punishments range from suspension of internet service to six months imprisonment Since the bill was proposed it has been sent to the communications committee of the house of representatives The lower house of the parliament to discuss its technical feasibility and uh our our intrepid shady from rainy calgary has A longer translation of the various parts and articles that we'll put in our show notes at daily tech news show dot com If you want to see but each person within egypt who is using a form of social network without obtaining a license from the designated authority In accordance with the regulations of this act or the subsequent regulations issued by the regularly embodied the ministry of interior We'll bring charges against such individual and the prosecutor shall present the charges to an urgent trial I don't know enough about egyptian law Making to know whether or not this is something that Will be put into place if obviously at first blush Seems like a real surefire way to create Paperwork and and crackdowns And a social network in this law means any communication software application powered by the internet and used for communication between people So that would be gmail Yeah at that point right Well, I mean because i'm sure they're not being sophisticated in terms of saying drawing a line between application and web application Right. Yeah. Well gmail is an app on my phone It is true uh You know, uh, uh tom i'm gonna go out on the limbs here and say, uh, I don't I don't like this law I think it's a counter purpose to an open and free society And and at egypt is really cracking down on the internet right now They egypt just blocked several katar linked online publications including al jazeera huffington post arabic katari news agency The country says that it is that the publications are fabricating news and inciting terrorism So it is a extremely conservative attitude towards internet and media right now Uh in egypt, but thank you to shady from calgary, uh for for looking into that and uh translating for us really appreciate that Mike writes. Hello tom and guests. I was listening to the pre show for episode 30 37 So i'm gonna add editorially everybody go listen to the pre show because apparently some really hot stuff is happening I admitted to a crime earlier moving on Where you all were speculating about synthetic marijuana Being a cop. I figured I'd give you a little information about it here in my area It goes by the street names k2 or spice It is popular among transient and homeless populations because it's pretty inexpensive When it first came to market it was quasi legal which made buying it in shady corner stores very easy Usually a once One package can be split up into a couple different servings and then resold a couple months ago We had a mini epidemic of people using it and literally passing out wherever they smoked it Often along sidewalks parking lots or other places Concerned citizens would call for medical which trained their fire department which ended up transporting people to the hospital all day long I since that the the synthetic nature and low quality control during production makes this stuff Extra dangerous as you can never really be sure what you're smoking. Please pass this along to the gang If you're still curious Thank you officer mike Mike's been writing in for a couple of years now to dts from time to time So I appreciate you sharing the information there and if you want that full pre show discussion That we're talking about that was in yesterday's Patreon version of the show So either become a patron and you get access to the rss feed that has that pre show in it Or talk to your friendly local patreon Supporter and see if they can help you out. Thank you mike. Uh, by the way One little fun fact about synthetic marijuana. It's not only transient and homeless people that have taken to it there have been a couple incidents with Off the top of my head. I can only think of football players But i'm sure it's athletes of all stripes that have marijuana banned In there as part of the terms of their employment that have also That have also wound up getting themselves into trouble because Again, a lot of this stuff is you know, it's not like the fta is looking over somebody's shoulder No mix in this stuff up. So be careful kids Hey, thank you. Just a robbie young for joining us as always what you got going on Uh bunch of stuff. Let's uh, let's just start here the contender the game of presidential debate Tomorrow we are putting on sale our first mini expansion that takes quotes from the first 100 plus days Of the trump administration We got quotes from everybody shan spicer james comey hillary clinton donald trump and somebody who possibly jokingly but still Went out on television and said he's running for president He is the trail blazing eyebrow raising jabroni beating pie eating possibly Liberal thinking well, I guess if it's either him or trump compromising Dwayne the rock johnson you can get it all in heavy lies the crown that is the new Uh contender expansion on sale tomorrow on the contender dot us for only ten dollars Johnson hanks I don't know. 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I get as soon as trump got out of the primary I was like no at least two billionaires Are going to run seriously and quite possibly, uh Some uh, uh, just celebrities Here's because who knew that this was possible. Do you remember? Do you remember? I know you're in florida at the time, but do you remember the california recall Of supplementary election Where where gray davis was recalled and so they just opened the ballot to anybody who could get the number of signatures And gary colman was on there Our video editor corb at zd tv was on there like Everybody was on that. Uh, that's what i'm imagining. I mean i'm just saying, uh, uh Do you want to know why and this is something that that can kind of go a little bit further into the story about apple news but News is just hot right now Like we are in a very interesting moment in time and people want to read and learn about it Like that's that's just the that's just the end all be all i mean I mean i want to read about it. That's sure they're really learning, but i get to i get where you're going We can we can we can we can we can draw some mistakes putting a two final point on it but You know somebody was uh, i was talking to john my co-creator on the contender in action news and um We were talking about this stuff that happened out in montana last night where the uh Uh, there is a special election because donald trump tapped the Uh sitting representative out there. We need to pick a title to oh, yes So disposable numbers A samsung and apple phone world buried under buried under a pile of fidget spinners knee-high to grasshopper Wake me up before you go goro goro Isn't that a character from the uh psychonauts game? Um You can't spell go without the first two letters of god Dateline apple a thousand newspapers in your pocket I was seeing through snake. I I am What are the disposable numbers? I don't know The google stuff tom knows the answer, but he can't stop hacking The google uh add stuff. Oh disposable numbers We know disposable numbers or disposable phone numbers remember the t-mobile. Yeah, that's it You're right By by hacking his lung right out of his mouth No, really you ask me a question when i'm in the middle like that. Oh my god Well, I didn't know sometimes Just a view it's like a like you cough once and then you pause and you fell a little bit And you're gonna be right back like I don't man. That was the worst It just happened You're all red faced. I got something down my pipes Furball uh hairball This is a hairball um buried under a pile of fidget spinners is leading the pack Yeah, that really didn't really relate to anything. It was just a Just kind of a like a line Dateline apple micro justin dot tv yogurt the great marketing genius I mean you don't pick anything we got no like Main I like disposable numbers, but that was a news story No, I like I like disposable numbers too. Just good. It just sounds good It can mean whatever you want it to mean I know like a uh, it sounds like a like a like a like a sondra bullock, uh From the 90s You mean like the Was it the net? Was it the net? Was that the one she was in? Sure. Yeah, exactly I mean it was mixed that one up with uh, the enemy of the state No, but this is more in like like disposable numbers would be like it would would have come out like a year after the firm or like one of those Uh, the pelican brief. Yeah, one of those like lawyer like accountant like Like she thought she was moving from her small town to the big city accounting firm and then she asked to like You know and it's interesting because all those movies that center around You can't just throw us all away Well, all those movies really just focus on I discovered a paper trail and it leads to you and then you know, you you splice in the obligatory car chase Uh near death scenes You're nothing you're zero you're less than nothing. You're disposable numbers. Yeah Uh Andy Garcia Stars as the evil d car. Yeah, nice pole See disposable numbers So you numbers it is you can go back to your carnival of potential presidential candidates with billionaires I want to search someone who was in the Cirque du Soleil and then as part of their campaigning they'll do like one of their old acts on the road Yeah, well, you know the the The thing about uh, where we're Oh, okay. We were talking about montana, right? Yeah, you were yeah I was uh hijacking the conversation to talk about guy body slammed a reporter because he didn't like this question. All right technically the fox news report, uh indicates that it's a choke slam I don't want to get in fair enough fair enough. No good good good correction choke slam choke slam um Well, which you know kane, uh Former wwe champion kane who's finishing move was the choke choke slam has been in republican politics for only two months And people are already biting his moves uh So The uh drama's talking to me. Oh my god. This is crazy. This is insane. This is this is uh, this is the craziest thing has ever happened it's like You know people flame out embarrassingly At this level of politics constantly Like, you know People blow up, you know a lot of people that that come into these things are this is like the the the first stop for big league politics where you can uh, you're you're being watched constantly The fact that this that this race a special election in montana of all places is getting the kind of attention that it is Is a real uh shock and just shows you how much people are dialed in on politics But the fact that somebody would be a boneheaded moron and and choke slam a reporter for sticking a a recorder in their face is uh, is also like Kind of common and and really the only thing that you would say He should have done is let somebody else choke slam them, you know instead of and just look on instead of doing it yourself. So uh People are Really dialed in on politics right now Like that's it's what people want to read about it's what people want to talk about It's it's it's the it's the it's the television drama that that's happening in real time It's it really does feel that way in the way Like if you were to have a you know, there are certain movies, especially ones surrounding politicians elections That they often use Uh, you know, like in the movie in the in the movie world They have like newscasters kind of set the stage for each act, right? Yeah, and that's kind of how it feels Like, you know, this is act. I don't know what would react 29 now or whatever. It's a long play but uh, it's it's it's very There's something both abhorrent but incredibly addictive about this entire thing Well, because like all good stories There are stakes Right because this is really just the continuation of the election narrative in that Donald trump is found to be abhorrent by a large Swath of america. He is found to be the savior of all by Another swath that by the numbers when everybody went to go vote was slightly smaller But yet he wins because of the electoral college And so now Why do we care about montana? Why do we care about the george's six? Why do we care about wyoming because we want to know Both liberal and conservative Whether or not there is a wave election coming Not this november But next november a a series of elections that will happen a year and a half from now Is the reason why we are watching these elections. Yeah, I totally agree. I mean it's It's interesting because everything now At least at least In the kind of new cycle sense is a Is a litmus test of What the what the political tealies, you know, we'll be reading for for for the midterms, right? So I it's just it's it's such a fascinating Like like piece of, you know, I mean, it's so, you know sociologically just like watching this like, you know Uh all these people it's just get so invested in all these things in a way That in prior years would have you know, maybe they would have nobody nobody I mean nerds Like me I care about it because I'm a nerd but like nobody gives a red thing about it Ever. Oh, but they still don't Oh, no, no, you're right fool ourselves People aren't aren't actually Concerned with understanding politics People are concerned with tuning into drama And lots of people are taking advantage of that by feeding them a bunch of bs drama that they eagerly Shoven to their brains Uh, and and you're not actually getting any real understanding or analysis of what's really going on Do you want you want to know what I've just kind of pinned it? To your epiphany your post-show epiphany. I've had an epiphany right here. Yeah. Yeah These elections are effectively The nfl draft Interesting. There's a lot of pump a lot of circumstance. It might mean something Yeah, we might look back a year and a half from now and say Yeah, you want to know what that that turned out to be a big sign of of how something else happened a year and a half from From when it occurred But right now Let's say that that quists beats Uh, uh, the choke slammer, right Whose name is escaping me currently, uh, but when he goes into professional wrestling that will likely be on the forte Gion via gion 40, right gion 40 uh Let's say he wins What have we really learned? Aside from the fact that yeah, the election was probably closer than it should have been which meant the quist was in Striking distance, but is the lesson. Hey, don't choke slammer reporter hours before the polls open Cool add that one to the wikipedia of things to not do when you're running for political office And also if he wins, what do we know? Well, a lot of people mail their ballots in because montana is gigantic and you don't know it doesn't always make sense to Uh, go to your local polling station in the same way that you would in a big city So nobody saw this You know, he's probably he probably is going to win because of how many ballots have already been mailed in and even afterward He's probably not gonna hurt him all that much because number one. He's a republican. It's montana. This is just what happens and two I don't know exactly of if you're gonna list all the martyrs in the world How much a local man to a montana resident is going to find the roughing up of a reporter for a british newspaper Uh, uh to be Yeah, i'll be honest. I feel like we've already spent 10 times more Time discussing this here where we're that we're not even being serious about it than it needs to Now imagine imagine that compared to the amount of words and Coverage being given to it on on the news everywhere. It's just it's it's become no different than celebrity gossip in my opinion Yeah, no, I I agree that's substantive No, it's well, and you know, what's what's what's sad is like what you're uh, what you're touching on earlier It's like really there isn't any kind of deeper Understanding of the actual issues rather it is more about the personalities that orbit Oh, sorry. Well for a long for a long time No need to be sorry. I was just agreeing. Okay. Hey There i'm not sorry It's a joke No, I think there must have been some lag because I thought Well, see there the whole punchline is ruined Ruined ruined no, but for a long time television news particularly has spent Most of its coverage telling you how what happened will affect its coverage Not actually getting into what how what happened would affect anything else. Yeah So it's just cyclical Shane asked it it does potentially show a trend toward violence against the press No, I do I do not think that it is indicative of any kind of broader Uh, uh broader issue, um, you know Sometimes things get physical like like that's that's just things get physical with handlers things get physical. Olivia Newton John Yeah, what happened with her that's good physical She wrote a song about it now. This is beyond the pale But the fact that this is being pointed out as beyond the pale and You know, I think it's it's it's appropriately being reacted to I think it's also sad that it's May the 25th And we're not talking about the 40th anniversary of the premiere of star wars Uh, that's true. That's true. Do you see the hamilton cast up there singing happy birthday? Oh, no, I didn't actually that's pretty cool Is it on the youtubes? I saw it somewhere. I don't know if it's the cast of hamilton that's playing right now and in san francisco I think so. I don't know if it's like the original cast or anything No, so not lin, uh, men well It might have been him though because he's a he's a star wars freak Yeah, and he would he would show up to do that I would think All right friends, uh, thanks for hanging out We love having you tomorrow It'll be a whole new cast. It'll be like hamilton in san francisco. Yeah Scott johnson Andy beach lemper also is probably gonna be back Uh, and sadly, I will miss him But uh, if you're going to be at bay con In the marriott at the san francisco airport Uh, come by and say hi. I'll be there all weekend. See you folks boom