 Okay. Well, we've hit 10-0-2. I'm going to go ahead and call the meeting to order. May we have the roll call please? Council Member Fleming. President. Council Member Sawyer. Here. Let the record reflect that Council Member Alvarez is not yet present. Thank you very much. Due to the provisions of the governor's executive orders in 25-20 and in 29-20, which suspends certain requirements of the Brown Act and the order of the help officer of the County of Sonoma to shelter in place to minimize the spread of COVID-19, the Economic Development Subcommittee will be conducting today. Today will be conducting today's meeting in a virtual setting using Zoom webinar. Committee members and staff are participating from remote locations and or practicing appropriate social distancing. Members of the public may view and listen to the meeting as noted on the city's website and as noted on the agenda. Members of the public wishing to speak during item three public comment or during public hearing items will be able to do so by utilizing the raise hand fit feature, their raise hand feature, their hand or pressing star nine on their phone. They they then will be given the ability to address the committee. So we did the we did the roll call public comments. If you would. Oh, sorry, go ahead. I apologize. There is an individual. There are two individuals with their hand raised. Go ahead and share the. Timer and the first individual. Sarah versus I apologize, Sarah, you are allowed to unmute your line and if you are able to see the timer and introduce yourself if you so choose that would be wonderful. Yes, I can see the timer. OK, do I begin? Yes. OK, yeah, I was just here to speak today on behalf of my community and and how important it is to all be together and support each other. I've been in the community for 20 years. I've worked in hospitality my whole working career. I've worked for the Hyatt Hotel for the last 16 years. And I think these bills that need to be passed as soon as possible, really protect us and strengthen our community. I I lived in Coffee Park and I was affected by the Tubbs Fire. And after that, the community really came together and really supported me in in a really hard time. And I think this is a hard time for a lot of people. And I think we need to continue to support each other in our communities. And, you know, I have amazing co-workers that haven't been called back yet. And I know they're so unsure about, you know, their health and safety. And I feel that knowing that they have job security is very important and will take a lot of pressure and anxiety off of us, you know, in hospitality. And it'll better our community as a whole. And I think that these ordinances are really great, like the right to call back. And it's very important for our community to stick together. And support each other in times of need. And this is definitely one of them. Thank you, Sarah. Thank you. And we do have an additional person with their hands raised. OK, and do we have the the timer operating? I will get it reset here. I apologize. That's OK. I hope I'm right. And Ty, you may unmute your line. Please confirm that you are able to see the timer and introduce yourself. Thank you so much. Yes, I can see the timer. Thank you very much. Good morning, council members. My name is Ty Hudson and I represent Unite here, local 2850, which is the hotel workers union in the North Bay and in the East Bay. In the city of Santa Rosa, we represent workers, including housekeepers, servers, bartenders, cooks, and other other employees at the Hyatt Regency. And we represent other other hotel workers in Sonoma County as well and also in the East Bay. I'm here to speak about the proposed recall rights and worker retention ordinances that have been brought up previously at the council's goal setting a couple of weeks ago. These are ordinances that that Sarah mentioned just now that would really give hospitality workers some hope. Hospitality workers have been probably the most impacted of all workers in our society by the mass layoffs from the from the pandemic. And there's a lot of people who have still have no idea if they will ever be able to go back to their old jobs, including people who've given decades of service to their employers and have lived in the community a long time. And in order to help the community get back on its feet and really recover economically from the pandemic, we've got to make sure that those employees in this very, very important industry for the city and Sonoma County are able to get back on their feet. And that's what the work the recall rights and worker retention ordinances would do. So we we're aware that those ordinances have been referred to the committee, to this committee, and we want to urge this committee to take those ordinances up as soon as possible and forward them to the city council so that they can be adopted and can go into effect in time for for workers to get their old jobs back and recover as as the vaccine rolls out and the economy recovers, really appreciate your attention. And we'll look forward to working with you as these ordinances move forward. Thank you. Thanks, Ty. Eileen, any other live public comments? Thank you. Hope just one moment. Maddie, you may unmute your line. Please confirm that you are able to see the timer and introduce yourself if you can purchase. Yeah, yeah, I can see the timer. Maddie Hirschfield, political director with the North Bay Labor Council. I just wanted to quickly add my two cents about the right of recall and retention and just mention that this is a no cost to the employer. And we what we don't want us to see this pandemic used as a way to retaliate against employees by not asking them back. Many of these these folks have been working at these hotels for decades. They consider their co-workers and the and the regular customers, their family, and it would just be a kindness, a real kindness to these workers to give them a light at the end of a tunnel so they know that they're going to get their jobs back. That's really all I have to say. Thank you so much, council members. I know you'll do the right thing. Thanks, Maddie. Eileen, any others? We do. One moment, please. Marty, if you would, please, you may unmute your line and please confirm that you are able to see the timer. And I think she just spoke. Oh, no, I'm sorry, Marty Bennett. Oh, Marty, sorry. Am I am I on? Yes, you are. Are you able to see the timer? Yes. Wonderful. Thank you. Hi, I'm Marty Bennett. I'm also with this staff of Unite here, local 2850, representing Hotel Casino Food Service workers in the East Bay and North Bay. I just wanted to briefly add to the comments about the importance of agendizing proposed right of recall, right of retention, and it would only cover hotels with more than 50 rooms. We believe there's about 13 or 14 in the community. I think it's also important to emphasize that this is a racial justice and racial equity issue as the catastrophic layoffs in the hospitality industry have disproportionately impacted women and people of color, many of whom work in relatively low wage jobs and have little savings to write out the pandemic. And we're really asking you to help these workers recover along with the rest of the community. And I think it's also important to add that we have a huge displacement crisis, particularly amongst low wage workers who have to leave the community because they've lost their job. And this is really going to help folks stay in the community, have the economic security that they're going to get their jobs back and enable them to become productive workers in the hospitality sector and to get that sector up and running as soon as possible during the recovery. So thanks very much. Thank you, Marty. Any others, Ms. Clary? We do. Sherry Cabral, you may unmute your line. Please confirm that you are able to see the timer and introduce yourself if you so choose. Thank you. And yes, I am able to see the timer. So hopefully everybody can hear me. We can. So good morning, all council members, members of the subcommittee, which you call both and staff. My name is Sherry Cabral, and I am the secretary and treasurer for the North Bay Building and Construction Trades Council. And I'm just here this morning to ask you to agendize the discussion of a project labor agreement relative to city public works and public infrastructure as a priority item looking at how we can utilize dollars that are being expended by the city and the form of infrastructure projects as an economic development tool, not only just for economic security and strength, but also addressing environment, addressing equity, addressing really resiliency on a local basis from an economic development perspective when it comes to providing individuals with not only opportunity, but an education in a skilled craft that allows them to earn a considerable and self-supporting sustaining wage that's consistent with the cost of living up in the North Bay. So with that, you probably hear the rattling I am on the road and driving, so I won't subject you to too much of it, much longer. But I want to say thank you for your time this morning. And we look forward to working with you to really figure out how to craft a policy from the city's perspective that that allows. Allows not only an issue of economic resiliency, but a continued self efficiency in the North Bay from the jobs perspective. So thank you guys this morning and a wonderful meeting. Thanks, Sherry. Miss Clary, any more public comments? There are no additional hands raised at this time. OK, thank you very much. So at this point, we will move to our new business and 3.1. The COVID-19 paid sick leave federal policy update and next steps. And we will have Rayse de la Rosa give us an update, if you would, please. Yeah, it's a quick update and an easy update. So there were changes made to the FMLA, but it is the only thing that applies to the paid sick leave ordinance is that they extended the tax credit from March 31st until September 30th. So the way we wrote our ordinance, oh, if we could elevate Jeff Burke as well, in case he has anything to add, Clare, that would I'm going to start, Clare. I mean, that would be that would be great. And I apologize, Rayse, who was it that you would like me to? Oh, Jeff Burke. Oh, thank you. And so, yeah, so it extends it in the way we wrote our ordinance allows us just to carry forward and to extend it now to to September 30th. There are other things that affect FMLA, but not anything that is pertinent to the paid sick leave. But I think Jeff, is there anything you want to add to this? I think it was the only thing that that affected us. No, I think that's a good summary. They did basically just simply extend the voluntary nature and the tax credits continued through September 30th. And the way we wrote our ordinance was that it would sunset March 31st, or if the feds extended it that later dates or ordinance will simply remain in effect through September 30th that we don't need to make any changes. So that's it. Excellent. Councilmember Fleming, any questions? If it's all right, I would like just to make a comment, which is that I'm really pleased that, you know, as that we were able to write the ordinance, thank you to staff and the council for staying on this and having the foresight to sort of make these contingency plans. And this will say the general council, a lot of work and difficulty and ensure some predictability for our business and labor communities as well. So thank you. Thank you. Yeah. And you know, if you want to, I can just tell you, we've the number of calls we've received have been very low on this. And I think just because it was of interest last time, it just popped into my head because I talked to somebody yesterday. They were I've only received like two calls from people with businesses over 500 and the nuances of that requirement. There's still some degree of confusion on it. But overall, it has not the number of calls or questions or concerns have been minimal. So I think that's actually good. It bodes well for us, extending it on. Yeah, I was concerned about the confusion out there and sounds like people have access to the right kind of information and accurate information to allow them to move forward without too much difficulty and without too much confusion. So my concerns about that have not been realized. And that is that's positive. I appreciate that report. Yeah, there are really odd nuance confusion. It's just amazing to me, the questions that can pop up. But luckily, the FAQ from the federal site is still up and it addresses almost any crazy nuance question. And so that's been a good resource as well. But we've definitely definitely seen a downturn in the number of questions or oddities that have popped up. Outstanding. Do we have any public comment on this particular item? Eileen, we have no public comment at this time. OK, thank you very much. Do we have to do we we don't have to announce any recorded or other e-comments in this environment? Do we we do not have either e-comments or voice mail for this meeting? OK, thank you very much. Well, in that case, if we have no other comments or questions by council, then we can move on to the Roseland program update, which I'm very much looking forward to hearing. Oh, even if it is brief, it sounds like I'm just looking forward to hearing some positive things coming out of our efforts in Roseland. For this, I need to have I'm going to introduce Rafael. And I think he is just going to be popping up here in a second. Excellent. There he is. Rafael, are you are you available? Start my video. There you go. We hear him. Hello there. Good morning, chair Sawyer, council member Fleming. Hello, Raissa. Good morning and everyone else participating on this call. Happy Tuesday. So my name is Rafael Rivera. I'm an employee of the Economic Development Division, Economic Development Specialist here at the city of Santa Rosa. So, yes, I do have a brief and quick update related to Roseland. And I will be describing some of the efforts there over the past couple of weeks and perhaps months. But I'm delighted to do so because it's a very exciting area to work in and again, getting to know the residents there, the business owners and all the effort that that we've been working on over the past. We're coming around the third year of actually, no, the fourth year of the annexation, I think. Well, in November. So, so we have continued to do our weekly calls. This is a joint effort with the county's EDB. The calls average a number of between 16 to 21 participants. These are weekly calls that we hold on Thursday mornings at 10 a.m. I do this as a as a as a joint effort with the county's EDB, but many Roseland business owners participate on these calls. The goal would be to eventually, at some point, begin having just the calls with the Roseland business owners. We do get a couple of business owners from other municipalities throughout the county, but the calls basically discuss or address or talk about reopening vaccination and testing sites. So information related to that COVID-19 sick leave ordinances. So we have discussions related to that and provide that information to the business owners for those business owners to pass the information to their employees. And we have also talked about outdoor operation protocols. Every so often we have the county's one of the county's PIO on the calls, as well as some other guests to provide motivation and leadership and resiliency points so people can again not give up and continue operating each day under this pandemic on unusual circumstances. In terms of outreach and communications, when I say we, it's just basically me for the most part, but I'll continue to use we because it sounds like there's a lot of people, perhaps I deliver or we've delivered 32 flyers related to the second round of California grants. I'm not exactly sure how many people took advantage of that, but it was just an effort to provide that information to the business owners who typically don't have access to this information, whether they because of access to technology or whatnot. But we deliver at least 32 flyers out into the community so they could take advantage of these grant opportunities, especially around the second round, which the deadline came very quickly. And I also brought flyers to related to the second round of PPP, especially during the last two weeks. It was very specific to businesses that were under 20 employees or so. And the deadline, I think it's today at five p.m. We are actually currently drafting a threefold brochure. And this idea came about a couple of months ago. We have gotten a lot of inquiries from food operators and food vendors, food, venting entrepreneurs. So in some of the calls that we participated late last year related to the outdoor dining over at the Rosalind Village, some of the county folks and myself came to the conclusion that we just needed a more comprehensive outreach effort in terms of providing this information to the entrepreneurs interested in opening food, vending carts and trucks and whatnot. So we're producing a threefold brochure and that will provide information related to ordinance, what you can do, how to get the permits, how to go about operating in that realm related to starting a food vending business. This hasn't been done in the past, so we feel pretty good about it. So it's in its first review right now with the city planners. And then it will later go to the county, but basically it's a joint effort between the county and the city and it will be a threefold brochure. And the idea is basically to educate folks and and let them know that we are here to assist them with their questions and answers. So that is the purpose for that. Well, Phil, can I ask a question about that you're on that topic? I don't mean to interrupt your screen, but is the is the city phasing so that people can kind of get up to speed when it comes to the requirements of the city and the whatever changes that some of the vendors may be having to deal with, which some might be costly, some may not be. But but bringing up the speed, the business owners, if there are issues around cost and just are we are we offering a kind of an ability for those for the businesses to kind of give them some time to come up to speed? To speed. Well, it's does this does this pamphlet on which is geared toward the businesses? Does it also have to do with with city requirements, city requirements, as far as their their structures? Or the or did I did I miss the boat on that on that conversation? Yeah, this for sure. It's actually specific to food vending. So it will include information related to conditional use permit, how to go about connecting with the county's environmental health and safety and all of their requirements, letting these business food vending entrepreneurs know that they'll need to acquire a business license. So it's more specific to the food vending individuals. Right. So we're giving them time to kind of learn about the new requirements that they may that they may be under. And so that so as not to be so as not to hinder their ability to conduct business while they are starting to to supply the county with with all the records and permits and requirements, it's just a matter of timing as opposed to what they have to do. It's giving them kind of cutting some cutting them some slack. I guess is really what I'm looking looking to. Yeah, yeah, I would find wise. It's basically an educational item or material. So they're not necessarily calling so many other people or getting confused out there, and this kind of lays it out more clearly. OK, we're we're at this point, once they have that material in their hands, we'll be able to walk them through it very quickly. They, you know, it's basically it also has to do with building that trust and making sure that they know that they can approach the city at any time and ask questions and not be hindered by the language barrier or the fact that maybe they came down here, they knocked on the door and they didn't, you know, the other person on the other side didn't understand them or so. The version will be done in Spanish and English, but we do we have an uptake in requests or phone calls related to, hey, I want to start my own food-bending business. How do I go about it? So that's one of the reasons we decided to come up with this idea. OK, well, I think it's a great idea. It's the new normal and sometimes new normals can be can create anxiety. So I'm just I'm glad to hear that these things are being that the user friendliness of this is really important to me. Yeah, and it will include also a landing page. So I'm working with one of our staff members to produce that. And again, since a lot of 80 percent of these inquiries are from Spanish speakers, it will be in Spanish as well, this web landing page. But what pleases me about this project is that we're collaborating with the county. So when I came to this division almost three years ago, you know, we didn't not that we didn't talk with the county, but the county environmental health and safety just seemed like a very obscure place. And a lot of people that we that I started speaking with didn't necessarily gave always gave positive feedback related to that particular agency. So this has kind of opened it up for for us. And we're collaborating together. And we just want everybody out there who's bending, who's selling food and operating a vehicle cart that they have the proper documentation, permits, whatever, and they're doing it safely. Excellent. Thank you. All right, quickly down the list. So again, the collaboration with the environmental health and safety. I learned this week or maybe late last week that the meat, totally food, food court, they're having a a some meeting tomorrow with the midpen developers, the builder, and asked to discuss the the schedule and logistics around the eventually the building of the meat, totally food park, which for clarification, the outdoor dining at the Rosen village is not meat, totally yet. I mean, totally will be built at some point, sometimes soon, sometimes this year. But that's the food park with surrounded pens and banners and the rotating food trucks, etc. And it's basically another form of outdoor dining, but it will be more it'll be, you know, we'll have a structure and such over at the Rosen village. So they're having that meeting tomorrow. So I'll follow up with some of the operators and such and I'll provide an update, hopefully next month. And my mouth is my mouth is watering. Yeah, there's some pretty good food there. I was just thinking that we need to have a a busy day, I think I agree. All right, so then lastly, what's coming up is that we're continuing to work. And I was hoping Council Member Alvarez was on this call, but I'll follow up with him definitely. It looks like he's joined. Oh, OK. I see him almost. He's arriving. All right. Almost see me. Almost. There he is. Welcome. So we've continued to work on a comprehensive directory, so that has taken a little bit of time. There are so many different businesses in the Rosen area that I there's at least 13 related automobile businesses, 17 hair salons. I haven't gotten to the food part yet, but this is going to be a very comprehensive directory. It's very exciting because it's getting me the opportunity to meet some of these people, some of these business owners, and then at the end, we'll have a full comprehensive directory, what we're going to do with that. Exactly. I'm not sure. But at least we'll know the lay of the land, basically. Looking for days to hold a meeting for business leaders of the area. And I'm hoping to approach Councilmember Alvarez to get some input related to that. Speaking to one of the planners right after this call, they have a survey out there, the city planners related to the general plan update, and I believe they're seeking for more input from the Spanish speaking community. And there's also I'm helping promote a an EDB county workshop related to the moving to tier red, and that's happening tomorrow at noon. There's one being held in Spanish up to 30. So I'm hoping that many of the business owners take advantage of listening to to that workshop or that update. So that concludes my update. And do you have any questions for me? Council, any questions or comments? Before I move to the public. Councilmember Alvarez has his hands raised. Thank you. Can you send me a Zoom invite for that meeting that's being held with the group, please? Absolutely. And it's also important to recognize that from my understanding, there's only actually one order dealer left on when it comes to the vehicles of other additional businesses or mechanics and things of that nature. Is that correct on special? Yeah, there's a couple of body shops. I mentioned automobile services. Yeah, but that body shops, tire shops. Exactly. And the reason I bring that up is it's important to recognize that Roseland specifically is very, very in tune with the pedestrian, the walking opposed to the vehicle. And I think the lack of car dealerships that we now see once the bus road, compared to about 10 years ago, goes goes towards that. That that that that feeling that when it comes to carbon reduction, we actually are primed for that. So especially with the with the bike and and things of that nature, the door to door being specific, perfect example that we could definitely move to more of a pedestrian friendly, which we both there is actually perfect for that. This is exactly on the side of West Avenue, which is the corridor for all the neighbors. So again, it's perfectly situated. And I'm and I also want to thank you for the assistance that you've been given to all the people that have been sending your way for the signs in the shop and the body on hamburgers, which I spoke to her just a few days ago and she's still interested, so expect to hear from her again. OK, that sounds good. Yeah, that's that's it. It's just building that relationship, building those relationships, building that trust and letting people know that we're here to provide some information and guidance. Thanks, Mr. Alvarez. You know, I have a question, Rafael, I know this may sound like a pretty basic concept, but it has to do with place finding or way finding does do or do the poles. Do our light poles or whatever other receptacle we are using for our banners are those installed on Sebastopol Road and are that are are are the community meetings discussing the some kind of an emblem or a kind of a when you know, you you're in Roseland, you've got this, you've got banners on the poles, you you've arrived to this special part of our community. Has there been any conversation about banners on Sebastopol Road or just in the in the general area of Roseland? To your knowledge. Well, interestingly enough, I mean, we survey Sebastopol Road, there are, I forget how many poles, but it'd be the dual coal brown type and currently there's only three banners from the old neighborhood program. They do say Roseland, but you can just barely see it. I know that Santa Rosa City Water is interesting putting up banners and then TPW in late December also expressed an interest in displaying banners related to their mask up campaign, so I'll need to follow up with them. They do not currently have the brackets, which is not necessarily an issue, but we I would definitely I mean, that's part of the vision under this. It's an it's an in-house initiative, but we're definitely carrying this out. They're also in business engagement. I would love to see banners up there. I would like to say our sign welcoming residents to welcoming visitors to Roseland. And I think there's so much more that could be achieved. But yeah, and if I can add to that, I mean, one of the things that Rafael talked about a lot are sort of the steps towards getting to those broader place making elements. And we've included so the team in addition to of course, Eileen and Rafael, who are on this right now, includes Tara Thompson, who's our arts and culture manager. And so we're looking at sort of all the pathways through which we can have a greater place making presence there. But, you know, when Rafael started, he talked about some of the organizational development sort of things that he's doing there, so it's lacking an association or, you know, before there wasn't like exactly a lot of of all businesses talking to all other businesses. I mean, because there's a wealth of diversity in that area. And so the foundational element of this is making sure that there is a group that a known sort of gathering place and a place that they know that they can come through Rafael to to sort of interact with the city. And then from there, we're looking at place making opportunities that include banners that include maybe facade improvements through maybe the art program, that type of thing. And then also if there's a possibility of doing like community benefit district type of situation, then there would be funding to do additional things like like you're seeing in Robert Square and downtown with the downtown actual organization. So it's a sort of a long strategy to get there. And all of that is within consideration. I figured that it was and I just wanted to since we kind of had that banner conversation recently, I just wanted to make sure that we were on track. Mr. Alvarez, you had your hand up. Was that before or would you like to make a comment or question? I did, but I noticed that Councilman before I was. Well, Miss Fleming, how about how about you? Thanks, John. So the other thing I wanted to add to this is, you know, how exciting it is the idea of having the community benefit district in Roseland and then what I'm hopeful for is that we have sort of like an association of community benefit districts where we can work together to not just have these place making things like that, but the way finding so that people can, you know, they might land in Courthouse Square when they first visit Santa Rosa, but then they can easily find themselves, you know, through different arrows and signs and flags meandering through Roseland and back around through Railroad Square with some amount of ease. I know that there's a lot of infrastructure and changes that need to happen. But I think that the downtown station area plan was pretty clear that this is something that we want to move toward and anything that we can do to make sure that Roseland and Railroad Square and Courthouse Square are easily flow into one another for pedestrian traffic would be something that I'd be in support of. Yeah, it's a great idea. When you think about it, getting from Railroad Square to Roseland is a straight shot. I mean, it's it's basically a left hand turn and a right hand turn and you're there and so it's just a matter of getting it done. So I think that's a great idea. We need way finding all over the city, but that would be a probably a pretty easy fix. Yeah. Did you want to respond to that, Rafael? Yeah, well, quickly. So I'm working. I'm not part of the committee, but I'm facilitating these meetings between the Railroad Square Association and our city staff on their the way finding project for Railroad Square. They have proposed 12 signs. I will mention to them that we need one pointing to Roseland. But over and over, we keep hearing that we want to not we as in the city. Obviously, we have an interest in this, but I continue to hear this over and over again, Roseland as a destination. So we definitely at some point need to look at that and eventually let the visitors, the tourists and other residents from other areas throughout the city point into that direction. This is a destination where you can find food, where you can find 12 related auto car dealerships related businesses, 17 salons, so many restaurants and so on. So way finding project eventually will come at some point. But those polls can serve in the meantime as some sort of way, way finding a tool or or feature. But again, we need to do some planning around that. And it's got to be a committee driving that and so on. And I want to hear what Council Member Alvarez has to say, but then I can take a step back and sort of make some connections here so you can see where we're going. Please, with the flow of thoughts, please, please continue. OK, yeah, because I think that the big thing is like we've identified yes, marketing, which is what Rafael is talking about. It's like that destination piece of it. But we also have that infrastructure piece of it. And so Council Member Alvarez actually touched on this. It is a total like the the it's an ideal location just in the way people move around that area. It's a walkable site, but it's lacking a lot of the infrastructure pieces of it. And again, that placemaking piece of it. So we're only just so I just noted on this when we need to identify all the community partners because I like where you're going with this. Council Member Fleming with it's that association of associations, basically. It's like, how is the Railroad Square Association Community Downtown Action Organization in Roseland once it gets an association? How are they working together? But, you know, the challenge and I think our opportunity is what do we do now until there is a district, a benefit district in Roseland? It takes like a year to do that. So we're looking right now and this sort of gets into three point the item three point three on how we're going to start looking at at all of the initiatives that we have with with currently what is very little money. So like if we're looking at community partners to do that way finding, it's not just the city, it's not just the associations or even the Mason organization that is in Roseland, but there's also the museum of Sonoma County, for example, they have an interest in playing in this space. The chamber has an interest in playing this space, the Hispanic Chamber. I should see the chambers because there's the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, the Black Chamber of Commerce in the centers of Metro Chamber. And I think I'm seeing opportunity before we have funds in looking at assembling sort of the layers of needs there that I think gets to be exciting. And then I think we need to talk about what that looks like in terms of infrastructure, because again, Roseland with an historic under like we've under what's the word? We haven't put a lot of money there and the county didn't put a lot of money there. So how do you get it to catch up? And then last thing I'm going to say on that it's one of our we have two sources of funding in this division. It's main sources. It's the general fund and it's the tourism business improvement area funds. The tourism business improvement area funds have been decimated. However, they won't always be that way. We're less than zero on those. But as the economy opens up and where Sonoma County is really just right for for local tourism, so it won't be as hard hit. We don't get international tourism, but we'll get and probably we're anticipating an increase in local sort of state side tourism. So that should pick up. So we're looking already at where are the programs that help to advance sort of equity access inclusion in these discussions? And we can use some of those things for place making so that could be in combination with like art funds, a place making thing that could be where we do an initial infusion of banner pull hardware to get them to at least the same place as where we're with Square and Courthouse Square are. So I just want to say like those are all of the considerations as we're looking at money and opportunity and taking this sort of low in financing to prepare ourselves for when we can actually act with the funds that we need. Great. Thanks, Raisa. Mr. Alvarez. First and foremost, I love the amount of a focus that we're dedicating to Rosalind, our newest member of San Rosa, and really it is about opportunity, not so many, not so much the obstacles that lay before us. And and to to thought came a conversation that I had with Omar Gallardo from Bayer Farms and he brought up a big arch, which I know there's a certain group in Rosalind that's not working on theirs. I won't give up the name because I know they want to come out with a great surprise, but yet a big arch that welcomed the people to the community. That because of traffic might not be possible, but it's something that we spoke about maybe 20, 25 years ago. And then the conversation came up where what if we we we redid the artwork underneath the the Olive Street bridge, which welcomed both the traffic entering Rosalind leaving Rosalind entering roadward square or leaving roadward square and really the the the incorporation of art with with the banners of the the the information or or or geographical position that you're in a wayside, I believe it's called. And I thought what a great idea. I don't know the implications because of of Caltrans, which I'm sure there are plenty, but nonetheless, though, just the amount of of vision that's coming from the community into a better Rosalind into a better San Rosa is very inspiring and really I think this is a culmination of it, of how much focus we're dedicating to our newest member. So I just really wanted to point out that that as as as a San Rosa as a native from Rosalind is very exciting to see and I do appreciate it. Well, I appreciate those comments. And it would be great. I love the idea of an archway. I know the fire department hates things spanning over streets. We can do it. We can do it. We can do it. Yeah, I mean, they said OK. Yeah, it's a classic way. I know in in in many areas in Mexico, there is you'll you will almost always go under an arch that says you've arrived. And I love that idea. And we do have a fair amount of catch up to do in Rosalind. There there will be a time in the not too distant future and maybe it's already happening when visitors come into Hillsborough or Sonoma and people they start talking to other tourists and they they're bound to say you really need to check out the Rosalind district of Santa Rosa because it's lots of great food and lots of great everything. And so they're going to need to know when they've arrived and as as will the citizens of Santa Rosa. So I think anything that we do in that venue or in that in that regard will be certainly supported by me and I know I'm not alone. I look forward to that day. Any so like let's I guess it would be time now for public comment on the Rosalind program update. Do we have anything, Eileen? We do not. There are no raised hands at this time. OK, thank you very much. Any final comments, counsel or questions? All right. So then we'll then if assuming there are no other types of comments from the community written or electronic or otherwise. And that is true, Eileen. We don't have any other comments. That's right. We don't have we don't have pre-recorded. We don't do that. We don't do the written either. Right. We we actually do solicit them. I just want to clarify, but we do not have any for this meeting. OK, good enough. I'm not I haven't chaired that many meetings on Zoom. So I'm I need a little hand holding and I appreciate the help. Moving to three point three economic resiliency planning. Miss Della Rosa, you want to introduce this item? Yeah, so, you know, what we were really looking at, you can go to the next slide, Eileen, or actually, you know what, I don't even know if we need this quite yet. But well, it's fine. It's there. You know, what we were talking about before is like really identifying and prioritizing policy, program and project goals, as it says on the on the agenda, I think, but it's how do we how do we take? I think that the reason why I want to follow up on this is it is resulting from the economic resiliency conversation that happened at Council during goal setting. There were a lot of things that came up. And then also, you know, we went through everything that we did last time at the last meeting, and what you see on the slide is really the carry forward items. I kind of rebucketed them to be into policy programs and projects. But it's the it's the question of how do we look at sort of what we what was successful for us in the task force, move them forward, accept new projects and programs and ideas, but then also align it and have that further conversation from all of the things that came up during the Council goal setting for the economic resiliency component of that discussion. So it's and I think Councilmember Fleming said this in the in the goal setting meeting, the full Council meeting, but we've talked about it, too, is as we're looking at things, we have to consider, you know, the capacity, a capacity of the staff throughout the city, because not everything rests to be clear in economic development, the budget needs or budget constraints and other resources. And so when we're considering those and then we're looking at things that came up today, for example, like the, you know, right to recall or ordinances that that are being proposed by the community or other things that are coming in, how do we place those? And then especially if it's going to be policies as you're moving from covid urgency ordinances into other non urgency ordinances, how do we prepare for the time it takes to do really due diligence to understand the true needs? And then the last thing I'm going to say, because I think this is going to be sort of a free for all conversation amongst us, capturing this and many other things is another thing that came up at the Council goal setting was surveying the business community to understand what are their true needs for action or or policy changes from the local or even non local area. And so we've been working with the center as a metro chamber to to craft a survey and they're open to sending it out beyond their membership. And so we'll probably loop in other other chambers as well to try to get a broader perspective based on the on the surveys that that are being put out. So that's sort of like the overall space that can lead us more. But I kind of curious in having a more organic discussion of what you guys were thinking or like, how do we move this forward based on the conversation that you guys had at Council? Good question. Let's let me let me just entertain questions or comments from from the Council members, because it is how we move forward with this many things on our list and it's not it's not as though we have yet we haven't prioritized these yet and that and we have been we we have a history of being very proactive in certain areas. And so I I also have a question about which ones do which which issues do we bring before the Council for a full conversation and what items as they move around how we would how we would actually prioritize these and we are we have yet to receive are the documents around Council goal setting and that will happen not by our next meeting, but potentially by the meeting after that. We will have some we will be we will have captured the comments from Council as far as those areas that fall within our purview that the Council has weighed in on about priorities. So this is a great encapsulation of what we've been looking at over over these last many months, but we still have a we still have that that prioritization piece and the the capturing of the public comments from goal setting that we will be that will help inform our next steps. So this list is not the end of the all. This is just what we had because again, new things came up both at Council and we anticipate new things being proposed by the community. And just to be clear, if it's highlighted under these programs, like if it's green, then under projects, then we're actually currently working on those like under programs working capital for small business. We have no working capital and we have no funds for working capital. So that's why that's black, not orange, just to make clear what that means. Excellent. That was a great way to do it, I think. Council, any questions at this point, Ms. Fleming. Yeah, thanks, John. One of the things that I was one of the things I wanted to note is that what I think made the economic development or the the recovery, you know, my recovery task force, is that what we called ourselves? Yeah, yes. Successful was that we we set an environment of just that of free flow of ideas and that nothing like what Raisa said, you know, was informal, that nothing was, you know, there were no bad ideas. We didn't do everything. And so I'm just hopeful that we can bring forward that sort of spirit to this. And I'm curious from that, from John and Raisa and Raphael to know what you think was really helpful and worked in that process. Because this is different, you know, it is recorded, it is public, which I think has an added benefit to us, frankly. But and then also the council is going to, I mean, I know the council assigned us to look at right at first recall and, you know, may want us to look at project labor agreement. So we're going to have, you know, things that but we dealt with that before too, when the council wanted us to look at work in capital. So, you know, that it's not impossible. But I'm very curious to know what elements you felt made this successful in the past. It was 100 percent what you just said, what was successful to you was 100 percent successful to us. It was the ability to have honest, open conversations. And, you know, we we never it was closed because it was an ad hoc, but we never said anything that I don't think we could say here, right? Because sometimes you have to, in order to pick at it from different angles, it was the level of comfort to say something that may not be popular or that will maybe really anger one constituency. But if we didn't ask that question, we wouldn't be able to circle it around and understand why, like, either how to answer it or how to make a better process. So my like, I am just desperately trying to hang on to that level of comfort of conversation and the free flow of ideas. When we get to these things within the confines of having to have a brown agenda that says, this is what we're talking about, like, how do you make it sort of broader to be able to bring it up? OK, I love that. I'm sorry, I didn't. Well, I did mean to interrupt because I did, so I apologize for interrupting. But I'm going to I'm going to make a take the chairs prerogative and remove titles from this. If you guys, if the council members are OK, if I can just use first names, I think that the one step in the direction of removing some formality that we we were able to take advantage of during the task force was that sense of comfort, removing formality, allowing the free flow of ideas, just like you were talking about Victoria and Raisa. I think it helps to set a tone and we need that. We need to make sure that that tone is comfortable. That's that it worked then, and I think it'll work now. Eddie, did you did you have a comment you'd like to make? Of course, I and then back to Victoria, because I cut her off. I agree. And I love that we're much more informal to get the job done. And I believe the formalities might might be the reasons I wasn't here during those conversations, but I love that we do have that understanding of months ourselves and to be super clear. We were we didn't mind cutting each other off because the ideas way faster, the flow, the flow of ideas. Don't stop them once they start happening. Absolutely. We would get rather excitable. I think that was great. I think it was great that we we just sort of all jumped in, if that's OK with John and we'll just leave him with the hard work of calling roll. And you know, keeping us on task. But but I think that that was really helpful in generating things. And then, you know, we were able, I mean, obviously, John is a retailer, you know, and I'm a social worker. And so we had such different experience. But we when we educated each other and we kind of there was kind of like no stupid question and it felt very safe in that way. So I'd like to continue to be able to talk about like, so, you know, what are the advantages of bringing forward a policy? And then, you know, the other thing that I loved is that I felt like before staff felt just as comfortable putting forward your ideas and your capacities and limitations. So, yeah. So, I mean, like, I can even start on this like just looking at this so we can get into some of the conversation. I will tell you the covid paid sick leave ordinance. We did that until we get closer to September. That itself is not going to take a whole lot of time for us. It's just is what it is. So then we begin looking now down to some of those other things, which I'll get to in a second. But I will say what I anticipate on this current list is going to take us a while and it's is that we're going to we need to develop that second phase of child care, the child care support pilot program. We still have one point three million dollars in our fear was so we got the grants going, we got the trainings going, and that's great. But it's the really hard part is that longevity of of now offering a program that allows us to reduce the cost of building new child care centers and then also retaining like rehab grants to retain or help other people either expand or keep the sites that we have. So again, it's like an affordable housing program. But you know, my hope is that with first five foresees and the chambers, like Ananda has a suite from the center as a metro chambers, one of the core people in helping develop this, that through this group, we can really figure it out and with the help of developers that we can figure it out. I actually think that's going to take us some time. And I feel like it's we're going to need to keep that one on this with some dedicated staff time. It's and it's funded. The Rosalind initiatives. You heard Rafael talk about that. Those are ongoing and, you know, so again, it'll it's concerted staff effort from multiple layers. The out there as our inside out there programs and we've taken that on in house that now lives with Tara Thompson, our arts and culture manager. And we see see opportunities around that. It's not something that it's going to be. It's just an ongoing program. But this is where we start to see opportunity around both covid and non covid. So it's kind of ongoing. It doesn't rise to the level of like we really need to push this through. As child care and Rosalind and then mobile vending and food trucks, Rafael's working on that. Again, that's sort of an ongoing programmatic element. It slips over into other departments. So we're working with recreation. We're working with the other divisions in planning, engineering and building on those things. So those those two out of programs are ongoing. Child care and Rosalind initiatives are going to need more. They're going to be more active. And then the projects. I'll set those aside for now because those are hefty. They're also ongoing. They come in fits and spurts. But but, you know, we're just keeping those those balls juggling. OK, and we and we also are dealing with each of these on an ongoing basis at the council level as well. So even though they they sit with us in a sense of if something comes up regarding these issues, it might pop into our agenda. But indeed, those five issues are always on our tongues at the council. During the council meetings at one point or another, one of these is going to be discussed. And just it's just what we're dealing with now. Exactly. And it's interesting because they're there, you know, especially the first, the second to the second and third one, the RFPQ for down to our properties and so that's a thing on its own. You know, we're always looking for revenue opportunities. But when you're looking at like, say, activate vacant underutilized space, it's interesting like how who's taking what at any given time within the city. So sometimes it's a it's a land use question. Sometimes it's a building question. Sometimes it's just purely an economic initiative. So that's why I'm sort of setting those aside and they'll come up as we go along. So knowing that it programmatically, it's mostly childcare and Rosalind right now. And then from a policy perspective, now we have a couple of new things that are up for consideration, I think that's maybe where we want to focus. And are there any new things that are coming in? Yeah. And some of these things in the green also are being dealt with by the downtown action organization. Although we have our responsibility is broader than just downtown. We do tend to focus on our downtown area for those those vacant or under underutilized spaces, but we do need to think, especially when it comes to Rosalind, for instance, we need to broaden our horizons on some of these conversations to make sure that they are pertinent and applicable to other other parts of town that are very visible and perhaps need some sprucing up or some ways to repurpose those, at least even if it's temporary. So it's a big it's a big it sounds it kind of sounds simple because it's only four words, but that's a big project. But even if the chamber is doing it like taking the lead, Rafael or I are always on those are almost always on those committees, like if it comes to things because it's there's usually a policy piece to it or a streamlining piece or whatever it is. Yeah. And John just mentioned something very important that we're focusing, let's say for the downtown, we need to focus on Rosalind. What's important about the list that I see before me is if we do a clean sweep with everything included, we're actually taking care of two things at once. For example, when we talk about the vacant under under used spaces, we have the vending and food trucks that could occupy if it was a land use issue. The childcare is definitely a top priority of the Rosalind area. So that's actually kind of incorporated into the initiatives itself. And I definitely see again, the activation of under used spaces with mobile food trucks kind of goes in line with the revenue and pursuit of those opportunities. So I definitely do see of us being able to take a larger view of how we can actually incorporate more of our issues into into these projects. And I think that that that is a perfect. I'm going to dovetail right on to that and ask the broader question or point out kind of the obvious here, which is that we certainly don't lack ideas and initiative. What we do seem to what sort of stands out to me is that we have more good stuff on our plate than we can really financially afford and more than we have. I mean, I'm impressed always that you and Rafael and Tara and Eileen get as much done as you do. I really sometimes I wonder how you guys do it. I'm not joking. I'm not trying to flatter you. I really don't know how it all gets done. And so my where I'm going with this is like there's this nearly two trillion dollars of covid relief. And I know that they didn't leave cities out of it this time. Do we have any sense of like how we can? I know we work with the chambers, how we can work with other jurisdictions, how we can harness any potential funding to to put some more either staff or funding behind some of these initiatives and prioritize them in a way that will will best and most equitably drive economic recovery and resilience for for Santa Rosa. Yeah, I actually print it out and now somehow cannot find what I printed out. The new what was just passed the through the Senate is going to the house. There is a whole bunch of new new funding that's available. I lost it. Just tell me it's a lot and then but it's a lot. But it's I mean, a lot of it is how do we how do we see where it is? So there's like it's a lot of it is new opportunities for businesses within the community or things that don't necessarily come in through the city. And even if we do get additional funds like the childcare thing, we did that through the CARES Act money. Right. So it does rely on and when we have those opportunities, it's the creative reuse based on council council goals. And in that way, I think we need to wait till we see what those council goals are and what new sort of funds are coming back to the to local municipalities. And they're doing better about not having it go state. And then the county has to ask for the cities have to ask for it. They're doing better about recognizing that sort of local control of some of the funds. I don't know what those are yet. Well, I don't know what I'd interrupt. Do you have a sense of when we might hear? Because I think that this goal setting conversation would be helpful to have like the piece of information, like the report out from council goal setting and then the the sixth CARES Act or the fifth or sixth, whatever, that Joe Biden's CARES Act relief and have a sense of those things so that we could sort of more, I mean, it'll change. But so we can more directly target what we can do, what we can't do and what we wish we could do, but we'll have to wait. Yeah, I don't know. Let me ask Adrian, the inner governmental person yet, because I think she might have a better understanding of that element of it. I haven't been tracking. MMO should be able to shoot you an email. Yeah, and I haven't been tracking what that, you know, what monies might be coming. Because MMO sent us something. But again, it's like it's things that we could tap into or that businesses could directly tap into. I don't know that second or if there's another tranche of funds that are coming directly to cities and if there is how much that is, OK, because like what just passed, what I do know is that it's like 15 billion for economic injury disaster loans, those are those idle loans. Those are what businesses apply for. There's going to be twenty eight point six billion indirect grant funding for restaurants and there's one point two five billion for shuttered venue operator grants. So where that we're in these things is their opportunity for the city to play in that space or even the chamber or any of our private sector partners. Or is it directly to those businesses that have to actually apply alone, like as a business owner? Right. Well, what might be helpful is once we have a sense of what those because I thought that there was going to be some direct relief to cities, which I thought so, too. I would be surprised if there's not. But then again, maybe I should be surprised. But if there is not, one of the things that might be helpful is to understand what the programs are and if we have any wiggle room to leverage, like if there's tax credits somewhere like how we are able to craft our covid relief policy or maybe there's something around childcare or minority owned businesses where we can maybe have people, you know, if they apply for that grant and achieve another one of our policy goals or outcomes that that they could get a little bit something else where they could have, you know, permit be permitted more quickly or have priorities, what I'm trying to say. Yeah. And, you know, like I had to say on that. So childcare has been noted and there are elements of both state and federal program for childcare, like they're expanding the childcare tax credit, those kinds of things. But there are also and I don't have the details on these yet, but they're also creating additional programs because they recognize childcare is such a huge issue. And then I think the other thing is, is like the economic development agency, like the federal ADA grants, like if there's like if if like there's money on the table sometimes for those huge federal grants. But when they have match requirements frequently into sometimes the parameters of them, it's so like we don't have the resources within the city, even if we were able to apply for and get it to actually do the programmatic elements of it. And so that's where we have to start weighing into. Like if it's there's a big difference on the, you know, direct relief to cities funds and what we can do with that. Then the confines of a federal grant program or going to state grant program where we would have to have programmatic elements that we may not have in place. And I think I want to also just point out, we need to be careful about expectations around those kinds of funds. Yeah. Well, anyway, I think I might have created more problems and solutions. But I think the takeaway for me is that that hopefully we'll have a little bit more information in our subsequent to if not the next meeting than the following meeting. Yeah, let me ask Adrian, but, you know, you you never create more problems and solutions. You just open up the opportunity to explore a little bit deeper. So that's such a you could be a politician, Marisa. I am. Because, you know, we don't. There are so many more questions than there are answers. And it seems like the questions and the answers seem to be changing on a regular basis. It's really, really hard to keep track of what's going on. And we don't know it till we know it. And sometimes we don't know till it's gone. So it's it's really it I would think it would take a full time person in the city to do nothing but track possibilities of funds and where they're going and how to get them. So it's a it's a really important question, I think, because we we are in many ways we are for some of our bigger programs. We are dependent on outside funding mechanisms. So it's because the city is not exactly flush all the time. And right now we're best part of what we're what we're fighting or what we're dealing with. So I think it's a great question and a great comment. I mean, do you mind taking down the site? Then we can go back to just the general conversation, because I think the next part that I thank you so much. And the next part that I kind of want to talk about, though, is this idea of how, OK, so we know that more. You know, initiatives or requests or ordinances are going to be coming to us. So like I feel like because it came up in the beginning, like the right to recall or right to retention, those kinds of things like how even if we're not talking about that directly or specifically today, how do we look at those in terms of a long term trajectory and in consideration of the things that we just talked about, our resources, whether it be staff or money, right? Is the ability to look at these things over the long haul, not to be because I think we're moving out of the urgency ordinance reactive stage, right? So then I feel like it. Do we have an opportunity then to sort of look further out? And I use I think when I think about this, I think about minimum wage. Minimum wage, we had a long lead time. We were able to, yes, hear what labor or workforce sort of interests were, but we were able to have a really broad, inclusive, considerable, you know, a considered discussion with business as well, with with with business owners, like as we're looking at being these things or as more ideas like social equity ordinance kind of things coming, how do we place those in consideration of the long term sort of needs and being thoughtful on it? And so like I say that, like when I hear about the right to recall and those types of things, you know, I start thinking about, OK, is now the time it's not and is it an urgency thing right now? I'm right. You know, is this something that? Yes, I understand it might be something that's happening throughout California, but right now is it right for us? Our unemployment is at six percent or it's I think it's I just looked at that like six point three percent or something like that, right? Six point five percent as of February. Our long term average is about five percent where we've been for the last number of years pre covid was at two percent. It means here we haven't even been able to have enough employees, right? We people we are told all the time we can't recruit people and any time a new hotel pops up, literally the question we're asked is how do we get more employees? It's not can we retain them? It's that they're being stolen for lack of a better word from other areas. When the when the casino opened up, there was a big fear that there would be a rush there and then all the other hotels would be under under staff, for example. So, you know, it's it's those kinds of things like where does that land? And how do we consider it given maybe those kinds, that kind of framework? Or is the question yes, let's look at that. But first, we have to understand what's the affordability of living here? What's our housing kind of things? Do we look first at those and build the foundational pieces to get us to the place where we now then are beyond a question of of like basically full employment? Do you think like how do you think about that? I'm just using those as an example, because I'm pretty sure more ordinance ideas will come up. Eddie, did you have your hand up? Did you want to make fun? No, sir, I didn't. I didn't have my hand up. But but I will say that I think it's important to keep an eye on each and every one of the sectors. One of the things that worries me personally as a business owner is the buying check or the Trump check, even. I look at those as a bandaid to cover the reality of our true economic situation. I do believe that Sloan County has been spared from the reality of the unemployment because one, our houses keep burning down and there's construction work, speaking very frankly, and two, we live in Sonoma County. So regardless, we're we're we're blessed. But it does worry me that if we were to have a shortfall, what would our true economic situation be? And for that reason, I do believe that it's important to make sure that our employees are taken care of. If it needs to be on the top of the list at this precise moment, that would depend on what other issues are present. One of the things that I'm looking at is the H.R. 1319 from Biden and what that means to the influx of funding should he sign it on 14th, I believe in five days. I believe that's what I've been hearing. What what happens with the influx of revenues? Do we cover our shortfalls? I believe it does incorporate the cities and the government and the counties in that funding 60. Sixty billion, if I'm not mistaken, but this is just what was passed by the Senate. And I believe it still had to go to the house. I'm not aware if that's actually already happened or not. But all those all those factors kind of work into the how important is this, how important is that? And I think we should lose sight of any of the factors and move them along evenly or or equally if we can, if it's at all possible or feasible. So me personally. Don't lose track of anything. And if we can get anything passed and take it off the list, such as the list that we just seen a bit ago with the green, that those are projects that are working black simply, we don't have the funding for that. And that's reality. But if we can move it along, I would suggest moving it along and taking it out the way and just having it having it already done so we could focus on the other. Thanks, Eddie. And I have a question, Raisa, as far as opening up, where are we with our hotels as far as what is the current status of restrictions on hotels and numbers of the occupation of the occupation of those rooms? And where do we stand as far as opening up right now with hospitality? I have to double check. I mean, I know we're about to enter the red tier, which opens things up more. And I think until we get there, I think they're only allowed to have like essential workers, though, to be honest with you, I've been driving around and seeing more people where I'm sure it's not necessarily just essential or something like that. I think it's essential travel. But when I think by the mid end of March, we're allowed to be it opens up again, if I recall. OK, because that's one of those questions. These these broader or these important discussions, but also sensitive discussions are, you know, well, my guess is they will we can we can make a recommendation and we can we can fact find them. One of the things that I'm not really aware of are all of the the right to recall and the right to retention. And Victoria mentioned it earlier in my role as an as an employer. I considered an overreach government and it really I think we we we need to spend a lot of time in making and protecting our our employees. And we also have to be sensitive to the rights of employers. And so telling them who they will bring back and who they won't bring back, telling them that in being having government instruct them as to their employees and how they're going to hire them or not, or is just strikes me as an inappropriate and inappropriate arm of the government telling people in the in the in the business sector what to do with their employees. So having a broader conversation about that, perhaps council, when we can do it here, too, what I'm worried about is that we're going to is timing if there is a desire on the on the council's part or on this body to move that issue forward, we're going to start running. If there are protections that that that council members feel need to be put into place, we need to be starting that conversation now because as we open up, that question will have to be will needs to be answered. So that's why even though I would like to avoid an urgency ordinance, because we we keep doing that, and it's going to start. I mean, I don't want everything we do to be urgent. We need it would be nice to be able to have the the little bit of time that which means that we would need to start that conversation sooner than later, especially if we're going to move in that direction. And I am five or one and I'm uncomfortable with that direction. I would I would love to be able to encourage but to require is puts me on edge. Any other any comments? Members? Yeah, if I might, you know what I think with this one is that what what I was hoping to accomplish today in this regard is to ask to put it on the next agenda so that we could just collect more information rather than making a decision today, because it is, you know, it's a really narrow scope of who would be affected by it. Yeah, but I've been given information about how sensitive these workers are and how how much of an impact it might have. And to Rice's point that, you know, about unemployment being low, unemployment is not is is low and we're we're lost here, but it's not uniformly low and some business owners and some employees have been so much harder hit than others. And so while, you know, my my primary dislike of this proposition has to do with the fact that it's it's actually really narrow and it doesn't help is enough people and that there's already a lot of things going on. You know, I do think that it would be helpful to sort of bring it to us like fresh, because I know that when we sort of take it up in this, you know, like it's really sort of being used as in this conversation as a site, like, OK, well, here's all these other things that are coming up. And so I was hoping to deal with it in the in the more linear way, like, OK, let's let's look at this next time instead of having to react to it today. And so I think the the original question was how do we you're going to I'm losing track, how do we how do we decide what we're doing? Well, no, I mean, I think I think we're of this side sort of organically this way, it helps to know this. So I will definitely agendize it for the next one so that we can have a more specific conversation. And then in the meantime, try to do some work. Yeah, and to be clear, I mean, it's I was trying to think about it in terms of like any anything and that just any kind of ordinance that we might have to consider and trying to think about it in the long term. Some of them maybe it was a bad example, but some might be urgency and some may not be urgent, right? Right. But it's just how do we how are we best able to have the conversation and consider them more fully with community engagement or engaging the stakeholders that it may or may not affect, right? And so I think that's my key piece of it. But to your question, I actually have this helps because even this conversation helps me understand like where where does it place for you? What is it? And then let's agendize it and then discuss it further. And then that the longer term thing is if it's not like a clear urgency or something that's specifically directed, you know, related to covid. I think Eddie kind of talked about this a little bit. It's like, OK, let's hold it. Let's know that we need to do it. Let's go back and understand what's swirling around it or if there are initial things that we need to do. And then we can consider it. Can we sort of have and there will be, you know, a Venn diagram, but can we sort of have a covid track and an economic a general economic development track? Yeah, I was thinking like covid and then it's like economic resiliency because I think that's sort of like I was trying to tie it back to that that conversation at council. So yeah, let me see if I can come up with something in that way. And it is a bit then diagram like. Yeah, the other thing that I really agree with John about is that and you is that I would like there to be fewer urgency things going on. It's really difficult, especially. I mean, it was hard because we had we actually had emergencies before. And now it's harder because, you know, if I get a call or you know, business or workers groups or whatever, you know, then it's, you know, it's in the because of the nature of the subcommittee. I can't just call John and say, hey, can you agendize this? It's like, well, I will ask to have it agendized during the meeting and then, you know, next meeting we will take it up if the committee so chooses. And so that pushes things out. But I do agree that it's better to to the degree that we can see things ahead of time. And I don't know if there's a better mechanism if I should just contact you directly. Yeah, because you remember, like any time we'd have it. And so we're running out of time. But I will point out, like I put on here, it's it's on the slide, which you can just look at, like the Cal Chambers recommendations. So, you know, we can look at that and we'll reagentize it for the next time we want to look at anything. But oftentimes that's how we get stuff. Just call me direct because I can just put it on the list and we can we can carve out time every time to say, yeah, OK, so these are the new things. Because like, remember how long that task force was? And I'd be like, you want to pull it up? Or it's, you know, let's keep it there. But now we have an opportunity. And so sometimes it would be months and then like then suddenly it was like that was the most urgent thing and it was on a parking lot for months. OK, thank you. That's I think I love that that process. It is open and freewheeling. And I think that the the reality not only do we I mean, now we're going to wait a month that the open government task force and their findings and their recommendations getting something on the agenda for the council takes almost a month. I mean, it's literally it's not it's three weeks. More than a month. Yeah, so it's it's really I mean, it's as an open government is very, very important and it's definitely going to slow down even more than it was before. So we have it's it's that is something that we need to be mindful of. And that's probably in part why we have been more urgency oriented. Because some of these things couldn't wait and there will be members of the community that believe that this is another issue that can't wait. And that's part of what I need to find out in this fact finding in the next meeting when we have it at the top of our agenda, I believe so that because so we have time to at least flesh it out as much as possible. Because it's going to it'll it'll take some time to get going. We'll have those council goals by the next by the April meeting. I know we're out of time, but Ananda Sweet has had her name or her hands up. Yes, if we want to do that public comment. Let's let's move to public comment if you're OK with that council. OK, good morning, Ananda Sweet, Santa Rosa Metro Chamber. First, I do want to thank this council member and staff team for your dedication to the city's economic development efforts at this really critical time and specifically for your focus and conversation on business support, development opportunities and child care is just really critical issues to our economic recovery. As you explore additional policy and regulation related to employers and workforce, I would urge that it's crucial to engage employers of part of the process to truly understand any workforce problem we're trying to solve and to work with and engage employers as part of that solution. It's particularly critical to take the time to ensure that any policy solutions that come from this process meet the intended purpose while avoiding unintended negative consequences. Specific to a right of recall, I do have to be clear that any form of right of recall ordinance would be extremely burdensome for employers who should be encouraged rather than discouraged from reopening or ramping back up to pre pandemic staffing levels. Any ordinance that adds layers of process, time delays, loss of flexibility absolutely do represent an enormous cost and burden to employers when they can least afford it and would risk whether delays or permanent loss of those positions rather than protecting them. Again, here, we would urge you to truly understand any problem you're trying to solve, including the data to support its existence and truly understanding the consequences of any policy solution and the impact of layers of new policy. Thank you again for your time this morning. And of course, we stand ready to work with you to initiate and support our economic recovery and of course to prevent our shared goals of supporting a thriving Santa Rosa for all. Thanks, Ananda. Eileen, do we have any more public comment on this item? I don't see any. I apologize. There are no additional raised hands at this time. OK, thank you very much. Well, we're at the end of our hour and a half. They always tend to fly by and it's one of the one of the more rewarding endeavors that that that I get to enjoy is working with this group. So thank you, staff. And thanks, Eddie and Victoria, for all your hard work. Raisa and Rafael, you guys, you know, always make for a great meeting. And so we thought we have a lot on our plate and but we're used to that. And we will we will get through it. So we'll make sure that that item gets on our agenda for our next meeting. We'll prioritize that and give it as much as much time as we possibly can. In fact, if there's any if there's anything that we can not deal with on that day, would probably be would be good. And if we end up exhausting our need for information and fact finding, then we'll just the meeting can just will potentially end a little early. So, Victoria. Yeah, and then because there had been the request for PLA and we just kind of like add things to the laundry list of stuff that we're working on. What I couldn't remember with that one before I requested to be agendized is I thought that the council talked about that during our goal setting. And I thought that I heard for at least four people say that they wanted us to explore that or that wanted the council to explore that. Do you know, Raisa, if that's been referred to the Economic Development Subcommittee? Yeah, I it has not been. I this was really the first that I heard about it. I think I was asked last night, is this a consideration? It has not come to me. So I don't know where it would go. So when we come back next time, could we have you said that we will have the council goals next time or the meeting after? I think we're going to have the council goals before that. But I can double check. I can ask that PLA question. What would be helpful as a no is if the council gave because that's such a large body of work to consider if the council did suggest it, if you could check with the mayor and see if he would like it to be in this subcommittee or if he had a different process in mind for addressing that goal. OK, I think I have some clarification on what to expect as far as coming from our council goal setting. I think by our next meeting, there should be should have an articulation of what of what is in our wheelhouse. But as far as the staff, how they their work plan would not be would not be available until the following month. So that's I think that's two months away. But I think that are a good snapshot of what is in our wheelhouse. I believe will be available for our next meeting include and potentially because I do remember that conversation around the PLAs as well. And so potentially that that clarification will be forthcoming for our next meeting. OK, OK, I'll double check as well. And so at the very least, we'll just have the the hospitality right to recall and right to retain a retention. And then also just the council goals just said that we have that on there. And then what I'll try to do is we don't need to use the presentation about trying to do presentation kind of format. So there's an attachment that has that are ongoing lists so that we always have available to you and the public anything that's on our on our ongoing list. And I'll try to bucket it that way and I'll try to add that Venn diagram. No, and if we could and I hate to add to your work and maybe this will actually be good for clarification, for instance, the the issue around the and I will my screens are starting to go dark that was actually in our arts being handled by Tara, Tara or Tara. I always get them Tara. Tara, thank you. And I apologize, Tara, that we you might even mention, you know, where it because it looks like it's sitting in our list, but it's actually being handled elsewhere. So it's the little if we could add somehow a little bit of clarifying comment about where it's actually living currently would would help not make our list look so it would it would it would add clarity to the list and also give us a sense of who's kind of working on it currently. What you're doing with the out there stuff. Yeah, yeah, exactly. OK, if possible. And if not, it's not like an urgent thing, but it's just it adds clarity to our list. Yeah. And if you if you want me to form that list in any other way than what I'm seeing, because it's just been sort of an ongoing thing, I could definitely do that. I really I like the way it looks personally. But no, it's a we can we can evolve. OK. Thank you all very, very, very much. I really appreciate it was a great meeting and we will see you before then, but until our next meeting. Perfect. Thank you so much. Bye. Thank you. Bye.