 That's all the breakfast and plus TV Africa. We have a zikal and I took who joins the conversation this morning It's off the press a zikal. Thank you so much for making our time to be with us It's always a pleasure to be with you. Thanks for having me. All right. Let's start off with a leadership newspaper as we Go through all the papers Now on a PDP crisis. I use fadehands in the balance as I admit today I use fadehands in the balance as neck meets today. I beg to take that that's the national Executive Council national working committee however, you put it most NWC members want him removed as national chairman Day of reckoning is coming. We K is quoted will continue to fight for a place in PDP Makin day Saying as you know neck meets today PDP Labour Party and NPP to threat No threat to APC in 2023 polls PDP Labour Party and NPP No threat to APC in 2023 polls. Of course the former Governor of Lagos State and presidential flag bearer Bola Tunubu is quoted on that Federal government to penalize airline selling tickets and dollars as block funds Why we detain trained abduction negotiator Mamu? That's what the DS is saying and just before we move away. Amataku should be allowed to bear ams Akira Dolo, really? Amataku should be allowed to bear ams we have Quirid and a lot of persons are still talking about you know the constant harassment with the police and the fact that the police are still You know some persons are not acting in a civil manner, but would it be rational to have a Moteku bear ams Prosecute oil thieves now Pangasin tells the federal government terrorists killed two siblings kidnapped 13 in Kaduna terrorists killed two siblings and kidnapped 13 in Kaduna, that's it this morning on the leadership We'll go to the next paper of Cosa into this morning and that is a nation newspaper We have a big story on the front page of the nation newspaper there Tilibu were determined to turn Nigeria's 14 around No rift between party chair and I says a APC presidential candidate Two brothers confessed to chopping off father's hand to rustle cattle It's a bizarre one right there on the front page of the nation Quite bizarre. Uh-huh. I'll put a card in a train a hostage negotiator in DSS Custody in Mamu flown back from Cairo. Of course. He was en route Saudi Arabia for the lesser hedge Why Nigeria can't meet OPEC quota? I care to look why are all more taken cop? Must must carry arms while what they can call must carry arms last few stories from the nation newspaper how terrorists fund activities federal government orders MBAs to comply with Ipsos can read more from the paper to know what Ipsos is about Well, we have the punch now now and on the punch newspaper Massive crude theft angry oil workers Blame soldiers and protests today Pengasin protests the whole in Lagos Abuja Kaduna worry Union threatens to stop oil production if theft persists federal government to retrieve Arrested vessel captain Honor to face persecution. These are the riders. I mean the big story you find and the riders underneath the boat story this morning on the punch aspirants meets presidential article meets presidential aspirant PDP neck holds today Nigeria plans increase gas export to Europe in 2022. I mean We're very it sounds like that's the statement that's been proud of or positive that we're going to You know be on top of the situation as we will be exporting gas Santa rejects twenty three point five percent pay increase state varsity kicks federal government to penalize airline selling ticket and dollars It was also on the leadership. Buhari once with our rec nominations. Many said tells critics You remember. Yes, they we talked about that on the headlines Constituency project garb 700 billion narrow and telemedic Center 40 Quarra principle purportedly defied seven female pupils and a scant or shouldn't governor elects assembly Or should governor elects assemble 52 lawyers for tribunal battles at this are the headlines on the punch now And moving on from the punch. Let's take the final one. We have the Guardian With the following headlines a big one there neck meeting decision day in the PDP over are you at the cool wiki a few and of course some that internal crisis in the party receiving Quite daily coverage would call it that southern NWC members insist on our use resignation stage walkout BOT Chairman may resign to placate wiki's camp We gave fire she I am who don't others absent as a ticket meets ex-presidential aspirants at the cool wiki face-off to end soon PDP Cuba candidates a show a white party must respect governors Called children white party must respect governors called children wiki ignore wiki at your peril the party chief warns Seems the the PDP is helping the papers sell more copies these days More from the Guardian FG threatened sanctions against Alliance selling tickets in dollars Quite a bizarre one and this is what you see happening these days. Why cancers in under 50 adults are increasing Globally by scientists government abduct can't get local government chairman in planter state and DSS confirms the rest of Mammal in Egypt actually gave reasons for his arrest. It couldn't go into that because of time Tinnable denies the plot to sack a dammel sideline party from campaign cancel and All over to some more denies speaking with any journalists on the Tinnable shirt Timmer ticket to write term So it's going to case with us this morning. Thank you so much for your time Architect is a clinic and I will start with a political story that it's a daily coverage But good morning to you sir once again Good morning. Thanks for having me. Okay. It's a daily coverage. And like I said the PDP He's probably helping the papers sell more copies Um, what are your thoughts on on this this the stage at which this saga or should I say this drama or should I say this? Nollywood script is The Southern National Working Committee members are still insisting on the resignation of IU and the stage to walk out from the meeting and as regards the the guba candidates of the party Making a statement meeting with Who they should meet with they met with we can we can told them to go Meet with the National Working Committee that they are not in a position to solve the crisis What are your thoughts on what has transpired in last 24 to 48 hours regarding this issue? You see there's something that I expect PDP to know and they really should know this even APC is in the same kettle and ADC Incidentally, we are also like I'm getting a merchant and some of us are jumping in to see see there are two seasons unfortunately in political cycle there's a season of elections and Then there's a season of party management If they understood this very well They would know that there will be election in four years time So they should put those machineries of party management in place to elect the sort of Candidates that can be presented to the public Once you enter election season as we are right now Party management is at the risk of being misunderstood almost irrelevant The game is about the candidates the candidates have a choice To completely ignore party machinery and set up the apparel No campaign machinery to be able to Okay, my name is not it took a talk. Okay. It's okay. Good They set up the machinery for them to be able to launch their campaigns and win a very clear example Was when we had Alphama governor President good luck Jonathan though there was a PDP he set up the camp Now what is happening? Especially to the smaller parties is that? the Management of the parties is not seen as people who want to win a lecture as a result they just you know Bring up like placeholders effectively who are going to on the long run aligned With the bigger parties, so they are not really people who are interested in running election as a result Before time the party does not set up machinery that will bring people that can run election They are just there to be able to bring placeholders and feel and then negotiate with the big parties So there's coming a new revolution a new wave a new thinking a new alignment With with the Peter will be movement people are starting to come in and they are starting to play what they call hashtag person not party on account of that Individuals in the smaller parties who believe they have something to offer They are loved by the people for instance. Let me give you a very clear example in a quite bomb state We are going to have possibly a man called senator Standing as an individual a man called Would I bring it again from a PC if there's a possibility of There's a possibility right now. They don't have a candidate, but there's a possibility of a guy called a kanodofia coming in I don't know and then there's a man called These four people and probably one two three other people are going to stand before a private estate At that point a crime bomb is not going to think are you a PC? Are you PPP? No, they are not Thinking party again, they are starting to see individual stand. So at that point, why should I check in out? Okay, there's the PDP candidate, you know, Mr. I remember the name where I was talking was taking me off, you know, so I remember you know, you know, you know, you know, you know You know why not why not that's the name. So If I stood and one minus two for instance Who will acquire one people go for I'm just saying that so because of that people are starting to be emboldened So you have the smaller parties starting to have people who don't want to be placeholders and that creates a problem Go now to the big parties Because they've always had their way doesn't matter the way in a way is going to be just up to two of us so they kind of sit on party machinery and ignore the party machinery So they kind of sit on party machinery and ignore the players But now there's that conflict coming in and the players are having people that they are contesting against for instance Bring a man like Mr. Chinubu Bring Mr. Attiku Bring Mr. Peter Ovi Bring Mr. Kachiku Dumebi Let them stand on the podium and face Nigeria as individuals Not as systems, not as structures. That's why we have six months of campaign on the basis of that Let these people network Is it Kanye I took? I'm sorry We're almost out of time, but we need to move away from that now looking at the punch newspaper The president or the presidency has responded to the consent of civil society as regards the nomination of resident Intellectual Commissioner now the consent was raised by you know civil society organization that some of these persons are party, you know members who are of The party of the APC of course and and and they have been asking that you know the be a way thrower But this is the response of the president. Buhari will not withdraw recognition As according to you know the minister line Mohammed saying that that it will not act on social media trial What are your thoughts? I Think that I Can't wait for I don't see miss a line Mohammed being Removed as a minister, but I can just say that I can't wait for his days to be over and then he will come out And then listen to himself again Minister of information and you say that the voice of the people is social media What does he understand by social media? What is the information? What is the greatest medium of communication of information today? And your minister of information and you're calling it social is social media, you know Populated by ghosts That's the greatest platform that you articulate the minds of the people and these are the people that send Pretty no confidential memos to mr. President and tell him what to do and what decisions to take and where the voice of the people is Irrelevant and they are like rents to you then the problem is not with the people It is you who do not understand your office and what is expected of you If you see a man that prides himself on the the base of integrity Bringing people that are partisan and the public is able to look into it I expect that what the information minister would do is to see what these people are saying if it makes sense or not The people could be misled they could be misinformed So it would be in his place to come to the plan say oh really this is what you think but this is what happened So what we are having is really in conformity with the law and not to dismiss them with the wave of the Like are you calling them small boys and things like that? It we we appear as irritants on the other hand if what we are saying is in line with the Constitution and your principal is doing something that goes against his integrity You know it is your place to very nicely and diplomatically Inform your principal that sorry the observations of the public seems to be correct They've put a lot of information there. We've cross-checked it and sir I think this will impinge on your credibility It might be in your better interest as you are exiting to exit on a platform where the people see you as a man of integrity If you need to change this it might do you more good than insisting that it must be your way and on the long run You give election that people have no confidence in because perception is reality in politics To have members who belong to a certain political party as Resident electoral commissioners. I mean is it such a big deal and Okay it is a big deal because These are the people that if I have someone if I know I have a strong position I Can make sure that the configuration of the in a particular area and I don't want the vote from that area Because they are going to vote for my opponent. I can make sure the configuration of the beavers They have changes That's going to disenfranchise disenfranchise a lot of the people within that area. This what is the technology is good The technology is deployed by people and they could sabotage that process So but but do you also still believe that the president because I mean in recent times as we inch closer to 2023 election The president has been very big on I will deliver free credible elections 2023 And with all of this actions, do you think that there's a connection with his statement and what we're faced with? The president is over dependent on people that don't have his back He should find a way of having an interface He should have a phone where he can scroll and read what's on the social media directly Because I believe that a lot of times the president means well But they take advantage of his vulnerability is believing in them and they misinform him when the president comes out And I leave office. Yeah, many of his ministers that he will not be talking to Because he would realize that he was largely misinformed He's going all the eight and all those briefings are going to end and he's going to read backlog of things And I think that at that time he will be a very unhappy person He is over dependent on people who don't have his back. That is my reading of the situation So he means well, but he's taking decisions based on uninformed knowledge and not based on facts and realities And that's what makes his decisions to come out in a lot of times there You know, he gets some ways like what you mean? You are still here. You know, oh, is that what happened? Oh, I didn't know mr. President in public. I didn't know about you know good Is it going to the the airlines in the country aviation sector? It's been under some Serious pressure to put it mildly and the leadership needs repose Brought up a story this morning on its front page Look at the new twist in the aviation sector With the federal government set to penalize Airlines who are selling tickets in dollars Now we see this happening in economies where the the the the currencies Falling at a alarming rate every single day and they're not sure whether they're going to make a loss or not if they're selling the local currency So what are your thoughts on on this development? I I I need the nadu economy to be run by business people who understand dynamics of the economics Number one, you don't give me I run an airline. I do my servicing in dollars I buy my parts in dollars. I do my checks in dollars I can't have access to dollars Because the central bank does not prioritize my operation and if anything what's going on within central bank is anything but transparent Now, how do I find dollars? Without finding dollars if I must resort to black market the differential between the official rate and the black market rate Makes nonsense of what I receive. So it doesn't work So I've got to think outside the box and prioritize those who can pay me in dollars. Let me use dollars or in foreign money And you come as a country and say no, no, no, no, you cannot do it You watch one side of the divide. What is the other side of the divide? Have you thought of it? The two harms have to come together the left and the right for the hand to wash clean You've got to make sure that the dollars are available if you have to stop them The dollars are not available. How are they going to do their c checks? So you have airlines trying to manage because they don't have enough foreign exchange to go and service your aircraft And what's going to happen next if we are not careful is Aircrafts are starting to fall from the sky and Nigerians are starting to die and you say oh aviation section This is that you can you have to see it coming and pre-empt If you don't want them to sell their tickets in dollars, then please for goodness sake Close that power market and official rate bring it together and let us know the rate that we are Operating with or find a way of getting productive so that you know, I wish we would have time But I don't think you may have time that issue of theft a crude theft Is one issue I really wanted us to look into because yeah Go on and and then tell us what what do you think about it? Yes Nigerians need to wake up You can tell me that that group of a city Did you listen to to to the analysis that was made by by by this Canary by the market about the volume of theft of crude number two Why don't we have the consumption rates in this country? I've done this analysis before very clear There was a time that they did a profiling of analysis and they said there was a differential between 25 million and 35 million and then somewhere along the line He moved up to 60 million liters per day and at the stage you got up to almost a hundred million liters per day And these are working on subsidy and now you're predicting subsidy at four trillion There is a lot of very very unacceptable deceit and Nigerians you reject these people They should put everybody on the table to say what they believe about subsidy What they believe about why we cannot have our production knowledge on a daily basis when we have seen A board a display board room in Qatar or can't remember the exact country We're everywhere. What is pumped up is seen But it's coming I took I mean this is not new. It's almost public knowledge that Cruelists we even have a term for it bunkering You know, it's not new if Nigerians didn't do anything about it all these years. What what what assurances? How we show that when it it there was a certain it's a certain I'm public hearing where my my auger a tablet done a tablet who said I was minister of petroleum And I'm an a petroleum engineer And I do not know how a ship will be missing I do not know if I tell you the volume of oil that goes into one tanker and the number of badges that need to go in there And people are joking with Nigeria Nigerians you wake up But but but is it coming I took because we're being prompted to you know, just call it a wrap in no time I'd like to ask you're saying that Nigerians should wake up. How more can Nigerians wake up? for instance In recent times you would also want to agree with me that the river state governor Has been yes on wiki has been on top of the issue of oil theft I mean he's accused You know the military of involvement in you know oil theft at a time He's also ordered that a federal lawmaker I mean so you'd say that Representatives be arrested in the fact that you have some of this highly placed peasants Those who should actually ensure that law and order is observed and that you know Lives and properties are protected to some extent not necessarily that it's they are so Responsibility, but they have a role to play they are involved in this text So what more can Nigerians do how reactive and how what else can Nigerians really do really? It comes down to one man, mr. President One man mr. President Forget party Forget my own agc My candidate to maybe catch you go on the hot seat and tell him what is your Game plan on this bring article forget pdp large small. I don't care. What is your understanding and game plan on record? bring My my my my god So Peter will be put them on the top on the on on the hot seat Let them talk to Nigerians to the issues specifically Concerning subsidy what they know what they understand what they believe what they have in mind to do Bring up the issue of this bunkering. Let them talk to Nigerians. Bring on the issue of power Learn the issue of security. All right These four elements let them let Nigerians forget party and put Individuals on the spot because at the end of the day parties don't rule Well, as they go. It sounds very futuristic a futuristic plan, but we're talking about please. Please don't please I know I take exception to that. He doesn't sound featured So what happens to those who have been accused and involved in all We have to do it now now We have to go out of time But uh, it's it's interesting the views you've shared Um questions to questions you've asked this morning. We'll suddenly hope to have you again Um, can you join us again later this morning? Uh, it's coming I took because we're talking about the adc and we'd like to have you on All right, I was hoping to extract a public commitment there But I think our producers are already talking to him. Thank you so much, sir It was a thrill to have him mercy on the program every morning Uh, uh, really it's a spot analysis Yes, well, thank you so much as the Konya I took we look forward to having you join us sometime as we progress in the course of the show But just before we go, let's tell you what happened today in history. Please stay with us