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I was like line six. No, it's line six I know I didn't even notice until the chat room exploded with confusion Yeah, I think at one point I was like like I scrolled to line three and I'm like there's nothing there Who's gonna ask me about line three? All right Here we go in three two Brad Bishop just began supporting independent tech news directly getting us closer to one more patron than last month Want to help Brad help us do it? Well become a DTS member today at patreon.com slash DTNS This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday June 6 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane from Oakland, California Yeah, yeah, and from a sweltering LA County edge city, I'm Roger Chang the show's producer We missed you this past fortnight Justin Robert young I'm very glad to be back after a little sojourn to the Sun dappled shores of Italia I'm I'm good to be back. I'm very well be Injourno or however they say welcome back And we're gonna talk about Google stadia. We got the details We know how much it's gonna pull out of your pocketbook and it's probably more than you thought But there's some reasons who will decide whether we think they're good enough reasons or not But let's start with a few tech things you should know As somebody in the Black Lodge once said I've got good news the FCC voted unanimously Thursday to let carriers block Robocalls by defaults the FCC also voted to move forward on a proposed rule requiring carriers to adopt the shaken stir caller ID Authentication system if they don't voluntarily adopt it themselves by the end of this year The rule doesn't require carriers to turn on Robocall blocking by default It's something that they can they can decide to do opt-in also doesn't require those services to be free to consumers Google announced updates to SOS alerts providing more detailed visual information about areas affected by natural disasters like hurricanes floods and earthquakes Google maps will show this information Earthquake visualizations will appear on desktop Android and iOS versions of the app with navigation warnings available on the smartphone apps flood visualizations are coming to Android desktop and mobile version of maps with Hurricane visual forecasts available on all platforms Huawei signed agreements with MTS telecom to develop 5g networks in Russia over the next year MTS said it expects the pilot launch of 5g networks in Russia to start later this year and China granted 5g licenses to state-owned telecoms China mobile China Unicom and China telecom as well as state-owned Broadcaster China broadcast network the telecoms have planned commercial deployment of 5g service in China for 2020 If you're keeping track telecoms in the UK US and South Korea have already launched their 5g services although in limited areas All right, let's talk a little more about an algorithm. That's a boon for video editors and possibly a problem for society Yes, George Lucas's beautiful dream is now a reality An algorithm developed by scientists at Stanford University the Max Planck Institute for informatics Princeton University and Adobe let a user alter text in a transcript in order to change what a person in an accompanying video says The algorithm learns the speaker's characteristics from the original video and creates a model of the speaker's head To attempt to replicate movements in speech right now the algorithm needs at least 40 minutes of video for training for an example Tom let's go ahead and take a look at what it does All right, so if you're on the audio the listening will be just as good But if you're on the video you should be able to at least get a sense of what goes on This is a person saying I love the smell of napalm in the morning Then they just edit it if they edit the word napalm in the transcript to make him to take phonemes That they've learned from the same person's other videos and have him say something else Using this algorithm here we go I love the smell of napalm in the morning I love the smell of french toast in the morning So there you go. He loves the smell of french toast not napalm although I guess you could make french toast with napalm The idea here was what's funniest about this idea to me is I went to my wife who's a video producer and Told her about this and she said oh that would be so helpful Like if somebody says a name wrong or you get the you get the release date of a movie wrong You don't have to go reshoot it is go change it in the transcript boom. You're done Yeah, I was actually editing Audio podcast recently and the host just said the name of a company not super wrong But wrong enough where she was like we have to do it over and I'm like it's too much work We're just gonna cut off that sentence, you know, it's just we were in that one of those situations So totally feel you Tom's wife on that At the same time and we've seen this more and more we we've been hearing all about this Oh, we're gonna start, you know, we'll never know what's a fake video and what's a real video because of AI and machine learning But we are already seeing doctored up videos confused people so something that is very very realistic More and more so is going to continue to be problematic Well, let me offer a counterpoint because as good as these technologies have gotten I can't help but think that this is just another version of Photoshop and I'm sure Photoshop To a certain audience at a certain point felt like oh my god We'll never be able to trust that image again now that they're able to edit it in this computer program And sure there are doctored images that might fool people but in general we've caught many things Because now we know what Photoshopping looks like I suspect there and there are telltale signs of yeah I suspect that this will go forward as much as we had a lot of conversation About doctored video over the past few weeks I don't think that there's any confusion that it is doctored the question is how people are reacting to a edited Well, there have been conversations about how you could embed some sort of a data point within a doctored video Because a company who's creating this technology is not going to be like we want to you know politicians to say these bad things right That's not what the front facing reason for doing this would be So if there would be some sort of way that you could kind of look inside and be like now this is a doctored video Okay, we're all in agreement on that then it would make people feel better, but that's complicated as well Yeah, but there always are traces of that sort of thing and that the developers of this algorithm said that they're like There will be ways to tell whether this has been done to a video or not if you really want to get forensic about it And like I said we deal with that with Photoshop Back on May 15th we mentioned Microsoft had issued a patch for the blue keep vulnerability in remote desktop services for Otherwise out of support versions of Windows like Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 we talked about how significant that was The only unaffected versions of Windows were Windows 8 and Windows 10 Well Microsoft has continued to warn that this needs to be patched They sent out the warning again last Friday and Tuesday researcher Sean Dillon posted a video showing his working exploit He hasn't given details because he doesn't want people to do it But the workable exploit is estimated to potentially be as bad as WannaCry or NotPetya Which allowed vulnerable computers to potentially break into any machine on the same network So if you have one unpatched machine you can get into everything whether they're patched or not NotPetya is considered by many to be the most expensive malware attack in history And it's difficult in some situations where you're running critical infrastructure like a hospital to get this stuff patch Yeah that was my first question when I heard the story is in what situation is it hard to patch a computer But yes hospital great example you're not just talking about one computer you're talking about many computers And those computers cannot have downtime Yeah and that's what's important about this is that it will not be easy for companies to patch this even if they want to in situations So it's not as easy as like come on lazy people just get in there and patch But it's also really important to patch because this could be really bad and shut down an entire hospital or something like it UberCopter will begin helicopter service in New York City July 9th These are eight minute rides from a pad in Lower Manhattan, New York by the Staten Island Ferry to JFK Airport The service is only available to Platinum and Diamond Uber rewards members so people who are paying a premium already Monday through Friday afternoon so it's somewhat limited for now but each helicopter can seat five passengers And be booked up to five days in advance or right when you need it Price will vary by demand but Uber estimates an average ride will cost between $200 and $225 per person Two pilots will be on each flight for now Yeah aren't we all glad finally that we can take advantage of this for a... Yeah I know Only $225 per person Well because first of all I'm on Wall Street a lot Sure And I've got money to burn Yeah and I'm usually going to JFK on Thursday afternoon so this works well for me This doesn't actually work well for me but I love the idea of it I would love to take a ride in UberCopter Look we can Nelson laugh at the rich all we want because that's what we the pours get But I would be hesitant to say that anybody who has tried to get to JFK from almost anywhere in Manhattan Let alone from where I used to live in Hoboken was among the largest pains in the butt that you will ever experience specifically with luggage So I get it The real question I have here is like how different is this than if you were to just like something like this had to exist before Like Wall Street folks had to be getting helicopter to JFK before this I wonder what kind of benefit or disruption this really is Like is this bargain basement for a similar product? Well I think it's kind of like UberPool but helicopter version right In the past I'm not sure how many people were like alright I've got a helicopter who wants in You know if you're rich enough to have a helicopter option then you're going to be paying more than 200 bucks to get from downtown Manhattan to JFK Yeah my guess is Justin you're right there are services that do this for my guess is more money and they have downtime And Uber wants to take advantage of that downtime which is what their software is really good at And I think the most interesting thing about this to me is that you have to be a heavy user of Uber So this just isn't about having money if you have money and that's all then you probably buy another service like you say This is about a perk for people like you use Uber all the time you're our diamond member And so Or your company pays for you to be one Yeah yeah yeah well I'm just saying you use it all the time Yeah it makes sense You're a diamond member and so we're going to let you in to get this eight minute trip They say oh all told it'll probably take you 30 minutes because you have to get to the platform at Staten Island Ferry And then you have to get from the helicopter right at your terminal But 30 minutes is still much faster than the one hour or maybe two hours it might take you to get to JFK Even the LIE which I'm a big fan of is going to take a lot longer than this But again 200 bucks in a pinch I'd probably pay it Hopefully I'd manage my time better than that but Yeah I will say in terms of their pricing it is like just north of where I would be like Oh you want to know what screw it like I'm not riding the subway all the way there I'm not getting a cab which is you know not 200 bucks but you know those can get pretty pricey Google says it will acquire data analytics company Looker The first major acquisition since former Oracle exec Thomas Kurian took over as CEO of Google Cloud in November It's Google's fourth biggest acquisition ever behind DoubleClick Motorola and Nest Looker analyzes data across multiple cloud services from multiple companies like Salesforce AWS Oracle and Microsoft Azure Similar competing services to Looker include Microsoft Power BI and AWS QuickSight Google needs to offer services like this to gain market share in cloud business Kurian has previously said he wants to hire more salespeople and target retail and finance industries Yeah the big deal here is that Google needs a hedge We're not saying it's ad sales business it's in trouble right now but right now it is overly dependent on its ad sales business And cloud is the most likely section of Alphabet's whole company to make up the gap So bringing in Kurian and him saying you know what we're going to go after this This is the first step of going after it is to buy a company like this that is cross platform And Google can say yeah we've got a hybrid cloud offering already doesn't matter what you're using We've got a product for you and puts them in one more place where they can be competitive with Microsoft and Amazon in this space They absolutely need to and I think that when we look back at the story of Google The fact that they were not on cloud stuff earlier is going to be a real missed opportunity because they were a company that was famous for how much cloud storage they had And they kind of for philosophical reasons went away from it that we're going to get into with the stadium a little bit later Yeah Amazon did it in a less expected manner right they're like hey we have to do all this cloud stuff for our retail operation Why not turn that into a business Google should have easily done the same thing but like you say philosophical reasons Microsoft president Brad Smith wrote an open letter to the US Congress last year asking for proper regulation of facial recognition You may remember us talking about that Microsoft has even blocked sales of its facial recognition technology to California law enforcement So they present themselves in their speech as well as their actions as a company that's trying to be very responsible about facial recognition Well now Microsoft has deleted a public database meant for training algorithms The MS Celeb database it contained more than 10 million images from 100,000 people Now Microsoft published it in 2016 it was at the time the largest publicly available facial recognition data set in the world It was meant for anyone who was working on facial recognition technology to have a safe database that they could use for training These were public figures and all the images were Creative Commons licensed So Microsoft felt like okay this is probably okay However Berlin researcher Adam Harvey told the Financial Times that he found some images in the database that were arguably private individuals They may have been journalists but not that well publicly known etc And Microsoft has now deleted this database after an investigatory report from Financial Times came out The report was on facial recognition in general but it included a lot of references to Microsoft's activity So the question is is Microsoft just doing it because it's the right thing or is Microsoft doing this because they got the bad press from Financial Times Or is it both? Probably both I'm going to guess both You know the Creative Commons license part of it is You kind of have to say well I mean Microsoft was doing everything above board seems If somebody is arguably a private citizen and not a public figure And that person was arguing that for themselves I could see that I think a lot of this is pretty subjective though Right in other words someone saying like I don't know if this person would like that their image is in this database That's not a big deal if you're someone whose photograph is everywhere You're like you know everybody knows what I'm Jennifer Lawrence everybody knows what I look like right But if it's somebody who isn't like that maybe they get icky about facial recognition but it wasn't them that caused this On the other hand I think you're right Justin I think it's both because Microsoft took the step of saying you know what We're trying to be good citizens on this and if there's even a hint of a question then we'll get rid of it Yeah what a crazy world Microsoft is in right now considering like all these other companies are being rung up for antitrust you know They've done that rodeo Like you know like the Marlboro man they kick on back Yeah they watched the sheriff hauling somebody into the caboose going yeah we've been there Yeah folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes be sure to subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com Alright we got the details on Google Stadia it's going to launch in November in 14 countries and as a founders edition member You can start your pre-order right now you pay a one-time fee of $129.99 or close to that in your local currency And you get a Stadia controller in limited edition night blue a Chromecast Ultra Three months of Google Stadia service for free at no extra cost and a three month buddy pass for one of your friends You also get first crack at your Stadia name if you're in on the ground floor you know he's going to take your gamertag Or Stadia name as it's called here after the three months the service will cost $9.99 a month Streams for founders will be at 4k 60 frames per second with HDR and 5.1 surround sound The service will launch with at least 31 titles they mentioned 31 titles today but they say there are more to come at E3 next week Those titles have to be purchased separately so you got to pay your $130 eventually your $10 a month And by your stuff prices will be set by the publishers However a Stadia Pro subscriber will get discounts on games and occasional free games starting at launch with free Destiny 2 Devices supported at launch in November will be the Chromecast Ultra the Chrome browser and the Pixel 3 and 3a Though they say they will expand that support to multiple devices as they go along and sometime next year will be the kind of real launch Sometime in 2020 subscribers will be allowed to sign up for Stadia Pro without purchasing the founders edition package There will also be a free tier called Stadia coming next year Stadia base will launch at 1080p 60 frames per second stereo audio Google says you probably need about 10 megabits per second if you want to get 720 60 frames per second 35 megabits per second if you want that full experience at the pro level with your 4k 60 frame per second And this works on Wi-Fi and Ethernet but not on cellular even if you're on that pixel You want to be connected to Wi-Fi to make this work So keep in mind that if you want to buy one of these controllers on its own it's 70 bucks And if you want to buy a Chromecast Ultra it's around 70 bucks so $130 you're getting hardware worth The founders edition is good value Yeah what you're paying for unless you're like aren't I have a Chromecast Ultra But a lot of people still won't want to put that money down right away The subscription model is also curious and I've seen this echoed around the gaming corners of the internet Of people that I follow who care a little bit about titles more than I do Which actually means a lot But the idea of well we're also used to this sort of monthly subscription and renting And that's the way that we're That's the way that we use media whether it's audio or video or gaming or otherwise And the idea that you own all of these titles do people really want that and there's this price reflective of that I've also seen people say 10 bucks a month that's great I mean you're undercutting your competitors for sure and that makes data really impressive right out of the gate But 10 bucks a month to just get on the service right and then right for whatever the games are If you compare it to like PlayStation now stuff like that it's not that far off No And there will be a free version eventually if you're like oh I don't want the 4k I mean this is a console replacement package right Yes Yes you can just use your Xbox controller and a Chrome browser and do this without having to get the founders edition And that's what that free tier is for Or the person who's willing to pay $10 a month but doesn't want the 130 This 130 is we needed to limit the number of people who flood into this thing right at the beginning But we wanted to make it work so well Yeah You know and this kind of gets to what we were talking about a little bit earlier Google has had a philosophical love and prediction that has informed a lot of their decisions Some of which I think I've now been proven to be at least over aggressive If not faulty in the idea that ubiquitous internet creates value That if you can always connect to the internet then there are things that we will be fundamentally rethinking As we go forward and specifically for Google when it comes to the cloud stuff Look Google could have totally taken out the need for a company like Dropbox or Box or something like that They had famously more storage than they could ever think to do it It's the reason why they were able to push products like Gmail where kids buckle up But back in the day the idea that you would never delete an email was something very exciting for us old But there's now they are moving this to gaming And I think it's a very clever hardware to have the controller connect directly to Google servers Hopefully it connects to Wi-Fi if people don't realize that it doesn't connect by Bluetooth So it hopefully solves some of the soupy streaming kind of reviews that we've seen so far But internet's unreliable for a lot of people and to me it has always been a very interesting decision that Google has made In places where you know the Bay Area and Silicon Valley in general like there are you know very very good internet connections That's not the case everywhere and I wonder whether or not you know having your product a paid service be as dependent as internet connectivity is You know whether or not that that is if they're right now Especially when they're pushing the idea of will you own this game now right because it's like it's not in your hand like While you continue to pay for the service once if you just stop paying for the service that you don't have access to that game This is my one thing so Nvidia has something called GeForce Now which is also a game streaming service But one of the features they allow you to do is if you own it on Steam you can play it on GeForce Now you're not paying anything additional So if they allow a level of game portability where you buy it once and you can play it in multiple services or whatever it was having to repay Granted you would still pay the subscription but if you don't have to pay the same 60 bucks for the same title I think it would go a long way I didn't announce that I know I know but that's Somebody got confused out there That would be cool if they did that Tinted it would be very cool if they did that Because there is going to be a point where everyone is like hey we all have the latest Tomb Raider we have the latest Devil May Cry whatever Who do you want to buy it from and then some guys say well I don't like the service anymore I want to move over to that But now I got to rebuy my entire catalog of games But again that's not what they're doing so for you know you can wish and dream for the horses of Google Stadia to come someday to that Is there anything about what they announced today that appeals to you? So the biggest appeal is kind of the ubiquity right so if I travel between here and my parents place they have like 80 megabit down Internet where they're at I can just bring the controller and I can play whatever and I can pick up the game right I don't I don't need to be lugging around 30 40 pounds of equipment every time I want to play I travel for business If the hotel I'm at offers some really awesome, you know connectivity I can play there and she you know kill 30 minutes Instead of having again to bring something That is 40 pounds worth of luggage. Yeah, no that makes sense And I think some people will like that aspect of this and you do get a few good you will get more than just Destiny 2 for free so there will be some free games popping into your account from time to time Sounds like people expect it to be about one a month, but we'll see if they commit to that and Nick from Montana Already wrote in and said one of the most appealing and innovative features of Google Stadia is the controller Which directly connects to Google servers bypassing the local machine decreasing latency It's one reason why you might want to get that Google controller instead of using your Xbox controller But Nick says I know there are a lot of us who grew up on PC games and prefer to play with a keyboard and mouse Do you think there is a market for a Stadia keyboard and mouse that also directly connects to Google servers This launch seems geared towards the console market perhaps to outrace the next generation consoles But what about the PC lovers like Nick? I think that if we are all rooting for Stadia Then we are rooting for the world in which they do similar hardware because the other question is this And this is another Google thing when things don't take off the way that Google likes Very often these programs or these these projects go away And that is something that cannot be discounted with Stadia now I think that Google needs to earn the fact that this is a going to be a success and if it had a rocky start That it's going to continue to get the love and affection I know everybody loves to hate on Google for that because Google trips went away this week Nobody was using Google trips If people use this Gmail is not in danger of going away I'm still annoyed about it But like you're like the only one I'm furious I think I go into my Gmail I am just incensed and I'm enraged Talk to your mic It is possibly overblown However, you cannot deny that it is something that goes in the back of your mind when you're trying to make a $100-plus purchase No, you're right You're absolutely right A lot of gaming news and lots of other news that is submitted to our subreddit every day And we love you all for it You can submit stories and vote on others at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com You can join the conversation too in our Facebook group Facebook.com slash groups slash Daily Tech News Show Chris Christensen the amateur traveler is back with a tip for folks outside the U.S. Who might want to ride hail and ride share longer distances Chris Christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute I know that my tips are sometimes very U.S. centric But this is one that is going to be more Europe centric And that is blahblahcar.com And blahblahcar helps you do ride sharing But not ride sharing down the block or two miles away But to another city And so you can do a ride for instance from say Kings Cross station in London to Liverpool And do a search and find somebody who is going from one to the other And how much they would charge you and when they're going You can say when you want to go and where you want to go As you can imagine There may be someone who is doing that route But they're starting from 12 kilometers away from you Or they're not quite going all the way to Liverpool So you may need some flexibility in terms of how you get to those different endpoints But it can save you a lot of money so check out blahblahcar.com And this is Chris Christensen from amateur traveler Thank you Chris Justin did you take any blahblahcars when you were in Italy? We did not Rome had a fairly efficient taxi culture where there were just taxi stands Well-known taxi stands where you could pick them up anywhere And then in Sicily we rented a car Check it out Also check out the mailbag Let's do it This one comes from Josiah who says I wanted to share my perspective on the newly announced Apple login I worked for an education service agency A few years ago we started making web and mobile apps We've been using Google login for all of our apps Because it's relatively simple, secure and cheap Free for our apps to handle login for many school districts Those are our customers and have adopted G Suite for education We can easily limit login to the email domain of pain customers We use a site license model rather than a per user model So you can have your school email that ends with at myschool.org We don't sell any personal data from our servers From our users rather We're a non-profit mission focused organization If we're required to add Apple login to our apps Well, I'll take a wait and see approach But my first reaction is to suspect it will not be optimal I'm not sure we'll be able to verify users by domain if they use Apple login Especially if they use the hide my email feature On top of that, their Apple login would likely be for their personal account And not their work account And if that's the case, we'll either need to do a lot of extra work To include something that none of our customers were really asking for Or slap the Apple login button there But not hook it up on the back end and tell our customers to ignore it The Apple login is a cool idea for consumer apps But doesn't make sense for apps that require work and enterprise login I'm interested to see where this lands I couldn't tell for sure if Josiah's app is an enterprise managed service Which Apple offers In which case I'm almost certain they won't force Apple ID on enterprise users Every time they do one of these things like no parental controls Except for enterprise users Like they always let the enterprise users do whatever they want Because the whole point of enterprise management of devices like that Is to have your own policies So I'm going to guess that won't happen If you're not on the enterprise though Which some companies do have apps for their employees That aren't in an actual official Apple enterprise Then you might run into problems with that Which I'm curious how many other folks out there are in the same position as Josiah regarding that Yeah keep us posted Josiah and everybody else who might be on the same boat And how this all unfolds Thanks for Justin Robert Young We missed ya man It's been a sad few weeks without your smiling face What have you been up to since we last saw you Well a whole lot of nothing Drinking too much before 3pm But other than that Now that I'm back on the grind I am very happy to have retaken the reins of my political podcast Politics Politics Politics PX3 for short From the very capable hands of one Tom Merritt So thank you to all the DTNS listeners that came out and supported Tom When he was talking of politics over there on the PX3 show I tried to do my best to honor some of his commitment to international coverage Alright alright well whether or not I did it right is a different story But we are back to our regularly scheduled programming there At politicspoliticspolitics.com Go ahead and look it up No I heard your international story today All kidding aside I was very proud that I might have the slightest legacy on politics politics politics I've actually gotten people that are clamoring for a more regular appearance By Tom on the PX3 world so we'll have to discuss that But also go check out the feed now We have a whole big interview about why no presidents have facial hair anymore Oh fantastic I can't wait to hear that interview Yeah it'll ever come back And thank you again for letting me play in your sandbox there That was so much fun I hope people enjoyed it I certainly did And if you would like to hang out in person with me and Sarah and Roger Even Rich Strafilino and Intern Amos are gonna be at the Farmers Market in Los Angeles on June 12th Next Wednesday 4 to 6 p.m. Pacific Be there or don't because you can't We understand it's the middle of the day But hey it's an actual DTNS LA meetup 4 to 6 p.m. Wednesday June 12th At the Farmers Market right by the Grove 6333 West 3rd Street, Los Angeles, California If you'd like to find out about these sorts of things earlier Patreon.com slash DTNS Our email address is feedback at dailytechnewshow.com If you'd like to join us live we are live Monday through Friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern 2030 UTC You can find out more at dailytechnewshow.com slash live Back tomorrow with Chris Ashley and Len Peralta Talk to you then Private Club Hope you have enjoyed this program Excellent show Now We send you to DTNS.showbot.tv to pick a title For today's show Should I Stadia or should I go? The FCC will have it shaken and stirred I love the smell of French toast Uber helicopter, the perfect parenting tool George Lucas' beautiful dream I don't know how it would be with that I mean this is obviously a very nerdy crowd Stadia, the next inbox This was the idea of digitally being able to change lines And using CGI to change the mouths of his actors Was one of the things that George Lucas was the most excited about When filming the prequels Get to the Ubercopter Yeah, so I kind of think if you Stadia I'll never stop Should I Stadia or should I go? I like that I think of it It's perfect No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Should I Stadia or should I go? Should I Stadia or should I go? Are you googling to see what it tells you? No, I'm typing it into you It was almost like you were asking something Should I Stadia? I'm actually googling that now Good day internet, the only suggestion we have for good day internet is the Limoncello incident I mean that's pretty funny It's pretty good, yeah, I think it's the only one we need Yeah, I tried the copy feature at the top of the show about Paige and it didn't work for me just now But I don't think I clicked it right Yeah, it's kind of like a three-step process Now I had it on and then I clicked copy But the pop-up didn't come up that time I thought I'd clicked it but I really hadn't User error, I assume it was pep-cac for sure Man, alright Can I give you guys an Italy food hot take? Oh yeah, please do America's got better shrimp America has better Better shrimp The assertion here from Justin Robert Young is shrimp The United States greater than Italy, discuss I think we just have plumper Shrimp Well, some folks like a small shrimp Some folks do, some folks do That's your bag, man It's how you got to cover Is this a shrimp versus prawns issue of some sort? No, because prawns are what we call shrimp often prawns Well I don't know the difference of shrimp versus prawn Yeah, I covered this while you were gone actually Shrimp usually are shrimpier actually Shrimp are shorter legs and have claws and only two pairs What's the marinara shrimp appetizer that people love? Can't think of the name of it right now Shrimp cocktail? Yeah, like a shrimp cocktail, like that Those are pretty big shrimp Those are some fat shrimp Those are like finger-sized shrimp Yeah, I don't think those are Or they'd say prawn cocktail Because I think that's actually the cooler thing Zoe thinks that British people call prawns What US people call shrimp I think functionally Yeah, I think functionally they do the same thing Yes, there is a difference and they are called different things But I don't think that a prawn is larger or a shrimp is larger No, prawns are larger than shrimp Yeah Because you don't get little teeny prawns But you do get little teeny shrimp sometimes Yeah Well, it's typically At least in my experience in the back of the restaurant kitchen When you get shrimp, they're typically bay shrimp And those are the little tiny ones that you put in like a shrimp louis Or you give out with free things Like the one that Sizzler gives out Like the never-ending shrimp, whatever they do That's generally shrimp Because prawns are larger, but they're also more expensive Never-ending shrimp does not sound good I want it to end Actually, you know, I've always wondered Shrimp are smaller than prawns Yeah But it also depends on where you source it Because a lot of the frozen prawn Slash shrimp that you see in the grocer's aisle Come from farms in Asia Also, shrimp are marine creatures While prawns live strictly in freshwater Okay, so in the year we go to Sweden, New Zealand, and Ireland Prawn is the general term used to describe both prawns and shrimp In North America, the term shrimp is used much more commonly While the word prawn is often used to describe larger species Or those fished from fresh water Interesting And in some cases, some places that sell lobster tail That's actually just a very large prawn Right And in some cases, everything you get on the seafood menu is skate Well, isn't that the whole thing with fish and chips? They took the inexpensive fish And they pounded it and they fried it Well, so here's my larger point Your prawn point? My prawn point I've loved shrimp pasta Shrimp pasta is one of my favorite things I have an old family recipe that eventually I guess will come out in the Daily Tech News Show cookbook Someday Someday But the part of the reason why I love it so much Is because if you have a fatter prawn or shrimp Whatever you want to call these things It soaks up so much of the sauce And you kind of need a meatier shrimp To kind of get some of that texture But I like so much in it And I did not have so much of it And that might also just be my bias of growing up in Florida Where you're getting a lot of shrimp prawns A lot of those shrimp prawns are raised locally, right? Aren't they? Because you're around the Gulf? Yeah, so maybe I just have an unrealistic shrimp standard Maybe you were in prawn nirvana And didn't realize it until you moved And visited a different country The realistic shrimp standard is my dead milk hotel cover band Dead milkman? No, dead milk hotel Was that neutral milk hotel? Neutral milk, okay Dead milk hotel is my neutral milk hotel cover band But done in the dead milk man style Or the dead canvass I wasn't trying to call neutral milk hotel dead I don't know why I said dead Dead milkman Yeah, maybe But man what are my other Oh, I mean I don't know how anybody gets paid for food that you buy in Italy Italy is like the concept of paying for your meal Was something that I constantly felt like I was going out of my way What do you mean like So it's a very leisurely pace Yes, right You roll in and you just like I don't think that we had a single meal In which Ashley did not say to me Should we do we order from the front? Like and I'm like, no, no, no, there's a guy We just got to hold on loosely We just got to wait it out It's fine We can we ain't going nowhere we're on vacation And so eventually you come over And God forbid it was a little busy You know, it's going to be it's going to be a bit And then, you know You got to get your whole order in immediately Because God knows when you're going to see the guy again And then At the end it's like I don't know If a single time a dude came over and was like Oh, here's your check Maybe it's super touristy places No, it's Francis the same way It's like you have to like Finally get angry and be like We have to leave Where is our bill I think maybe Maybe at the airport At the sky lounge Or the sky bar at the at the airport Where they were like literally just trying to turn over tables As fast as possible Did we get our check brought to us But otherwise You have to ask for it And even when you ask for it They're not sure you mean it Is what my experience was in Italy 100% and also I don't think they'd be upset if you just walked out Yeah They would just be like Just a big business I told this story I told this story on Whatever podcast that I've done over the past week But I think you guys would very much enjoy it Having traveled Europe So first night of Rome We're finding a nice little restaurant on Yelp And Eating it up We're having a great time We're trying to stay up Because we're doing our best to Not get screwed by the jet lag And so we're like Let's go get a couple more drinks At this wine bar Outside Cafe We're drinking The ladies very nice But between the jet lag And the booze And I'm doing as the Romans do And talking with my hands with a wine glass In my hand I wind up breaking this wine glass On the floor The lady comes over And she throws Don't worry Throws a towel Over the shattered glass But no one cleans it up That's the end of the story Oh my God It's fixed And she throws it over there And I'm like, oh, is this like a cool I never would How to do that A little life hack This is actually kind of smart I guess if you're not worried about Your towel I would feel weird about washing that towel When it literally just had glass shards Like The rest of the time That we were there drinking She literally just walked over Her boyfriend rode up On a Vespa And they just made out on his Vespa The rest of the time The rest of the time I'm like You want to know what I can't imagine Anything more Than what is happening right now The Villa Bella She had great wine recommendations She was a horrifyingly Terrible server And she spent the rest of the time making out With her boyfriend on the Vespa That's That's a slice of life It was It was great It was an amazing I mean, you wouldn't want it every day But you know I drank a liter of beer in the Vatican too With your own branded beer Yeah, what was that like I've had beer in the Vatican myself But never got I never had connections No, we stayed in Vatican City Which apparently is something very rare Because we don't have hotels So we big shout out to Padres J He hooked it up And we stayed There at the Jesuit order That's pretty cool It was like a stone cell With a wooden board A little slop It was nicer Than I woke in the daybreak for Vespers I will say this Having lived on the road For a while I was expecting About a red roof in Like an older red roof in And it was like a red roof in Plus Like a green roof in As long as you're comfortable And you wanted to We cycled up We got our VPN working Watched the final episode of Game of Thrones That was That was that So there's a restaurant That was right around the corner from our hotel In In Vatican City And I went down there for lunch Got a little pasta Oh, give me a Peroni Small, medium, or large? And I'm like, come on, man I'm gonna do a large He's like, you know, that's a leader And I'm like, I don't know what the hell you just said, sir Yeah, it's metric system It's a large If you learned it, you would have known But you know, whatever And he brought me a comically large Comically large mug You guys say metric system But we have two liter bottles And we also have one liter bottle But two liter bottles are fairly common I know what a two liter bottle is Of like soda Right, but still If someone's like a leader, do you want the big one? I'd be like, yeah Because then I don't have to get it another Because I'm also, I'm sure that At some point I've got, I've drank A liter of soda at a movie theater Right? Yeah, those things are huge, right? Yeah, so I guess in my head I was just like It really is just the difference In like ordering it But also it's like I guess like if you go to a Like a A chain bar or something A Buffalo Wild Wings or something like that I'm sure that they got the like, super huge Like double Oh yeah, oh yeah It's always an airport But they call it like Crazy Grande Yeah, rather than one liter I'm almost hot With a liter with more So much beer and especially after I just Ate a gigantic bowl of pasta To then fill my stomach with like Right, it's basically a second meal Uncomfortably full But I couldn't, I couldn't A liter is 33 ounces which would be more Than two imperial pints Good for you Justin Yeah It was a fun time This sounds like the sort of trip where You were eating well You were having bevs when you felt like it Some people would say And I came back 20 pounds heavier Did you feel like you were walking around And doing enough stuff that it was It was all good I definitely packed on a few But it wasn't like I didn't come back Super plump You didn't come back with your Italy 20 No, I didn't Pack on Italy 20 I didn't It is wild How much The average Sicilian Eats And yet like everybody I met Was like skinny That was Japan I remember being there And just seeing people shovel food At all hours of the day And they're like you guys are super scrawny I don't get it Because they walk everywhere Yeah, I guess that's the thing Is the biggest difference With Italy that I noticed Was the right no breakfast Like breakfast there Is like Cornetto and coffee That's it Quick and then lunch bigger Dinner biggest And that's like kind of culturally the difference Here is like we're like Breakfast, most important meal of the day Get two eggs Bacon, sausage Your goal is like The farmer's breakfast Get as close as you can It's the portion sizes Absolutely not The portion sizes that these folks ate in pasta Are insane It would be against the FDA The FDA would Melt The amount of pasta that these guys ate It was wild I want more pasta More bread More pasta No one's stopping me It's in my brain Make sure that you limit that stuff Gluten and starch But that's actually what I want every day Yeah I don't know I've been just cutting out Anything in between meals That helps quite a bit Yeah I don't know I'm not particularly weight conscious But it's definitely You know it was just a different way of living I'm dying to go to Sicily Quite a few places in Italy Proper but I've never been to Sicily Gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous It was the highlight of our trip Sarah was amazing There's so many Just kind of beautiful old towns And What's sort of amazing about it is that Nothing's really far I would recommend getting a car Because there's so much up there And also there's so much varied history Because the island's been Conquered so many times By so many people and everybody Left their own little civilizations So between the Greeks And the Carthaginians and the Romans And the Moors We found a church in Syracuse A Hellenic temple, a mosque And a Catholic It is now a Catholic church So it was the original KFC Pizza Hut And Taco Bell So does it service all three Or is it just changed? No, no, no, no Now it is just a Catholic church Although we did see one place In Rome that I was very excited to go see Because I had done research about this stuff In college But And it's stuff that you kind of even see The hallmarks of today They basically had to convert a pagan society To a Christian society And You see a lot of it in Roman Catholic Laws, specifically the idea that You know, there are very There's a reverence for like You know, Santa Maria Like, you know, Mother Mary You know, San Giuseppe Joseph That is very much In line with like They are gods Alongside This, you know, kind of structure So the Place that we saw in Rome In the basement was a Mithraic temple and there's a couple of them Throughout Rome and Italy in general But Mithras was an Iranian god that was very much Worshiped by the soldiers Of Rome And there's this It throughout Italy and I'm sure in many other places Where Like the holy place stays holy It's whoever's in there They might change the name on the door But for whatever reason That's the place that's holy And be it For Islam, be it for Catholicism, be it for A mystery religion This is the holy place It's kind of like the Hagia Sophia Like isn't that the one that changed That went from It was originally built as a cathedral And then became a mosque and overtime Yeah, there's a lot of examples of that sort of thing For sure Hagia Sophia is probably one of the most famous Yeah Yeah, unless Although I'm sure People have seen this enough because they've shown it everywhere But on my Instagram you can go look This is the most, the most, aside from the lady Who threw a towel over a shattered glass And then made out with a boyfriend for the next hour The most Italian That I saw is Between Ashley and I, we have family out in Sicily And so we showed up, had a nice little meal And then Just as if it were anything The host Luigi Goes and takes a big old bowl Of spaghetti that we had all been Eating from And then just dumps it in his dog's Dish The dog just ate the rest of the spaghetti Yeah, good life for that dog Yeah, really My dog would be pretty thrilled My dogs are now Giving me looks That they want to move to Italy That was Argo the dog Argo the dog is an outside dog And Argo, whenever he hears The door rattling would always come over to the door Try to poke his little nose In there And so the line that kind of became famous With Ashley and I was just Argo, no No Argo, no I don't go after yourself Yeah Did you win an Emmy, Argo? Oh, different Argo All right Well, Justin, it's very, very good to have you back, man We missed you a lot. Very good to be back, friend. Yes, life, life Has returned to normal Thank goodness. Bizarro for a few weeks And Thanks to everybody listening Thanks to everybody watching Thanks to everybody supporting us In all the various ways you can do that And thanks to everybody for letting us Have a good day Good day, Internet Good day, Internet And a pleasant tomorrow I stopped the YouTube stream Oh, I gave him the full thing Yes, goodbye, YouTube Bye My forgetting is your benefit Don't get used to