 Name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique culture. It's your boy, he's CEO. And I'm here with the lovely, amazing official, Mr. Mako, what's going on? Not even on my dad walk on. Well, man, we down here in Houston, Texas, man. We done ran up on a jewel, man. Kedrick James in the building, no games in the building. Pleasure to be here, man. Thank y'all for even having me, man. I feel honored. Man, you know, just, you know, we are definitely a lot of culture down here. H-town, man, where it all go down, man. Yes, sir, yes, sir. I don't know if you remember me, but I would then call over there, do some part, roll in through on them, and with the speakers in the back to Sherwood Vegas, we couldn't, I was in the front seat. With the six by nine's? Yeah, the six by nine's with the Sherwood Vegas. I'm talking about the whole house speed. I done took my A&E speaker out the house. Yeah, yeah. And it's just sitting in the back seat. You can't ride back there in that back seat. And it wouldn't fit in the trunk. If you wanted, that's how sharp I was. I don't know how y'all did it. I was 14 years old. I come through, do some part. Yeah. Yeah. Bang in that. My posse going Broadway. Say listen. And that beat. Hey. Me and kid's sensation. That home away from home in the black man limo with the cellular phone. Say y'all, y'all know what I'm talking about, man. Hey, on the boss talk, man. See y'all understand, man. Hold on, man. That's my time, man. What I said, nigga, I'll be down here. So you can't bore me, nigga. This is my city, too. It's hard to die, man. And you can't bump like that no more. Nah, I don't really do that no more. That was a young nigga who was crazy. Say, yo, let's go, man. Let's get this interview going. Yo, let's get it going. So, you know, I like to know you as a person. You know, he deals with you as an artist. I deal with you as a person. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. So tell me about you, the person, the things you've been through, how you overcame, who you are, where you from, everything. First off, man, I'm a product of Houston, Texas, born and raised. I come from Acres Home. That's on the north side of H-Town. For those of y'all that don't know, Acres Home is actually the second largest historically black community in America. In America. Name it in Houston. Yeah, in America. Yeah, like just to kind of give you all the background. What's the reason? We actually had our own bus line. We actually had our own taxi cab service. We actually had our own FM radio station. You know, things of this nature. Like in the FM radio station in the taxi service was actually something that's, you know, like the taxi cab service was around to like the 90s. The radio station was around to like, maybe like the 2000s or things of that nature. But like Acres Home is a very, it's rich with history. You know, it was one of the places to where black people could come to and thrive. And it's actually called Acres Home, short for Acres Homes, because every house had an acre of land with it. And so, you know, like... Is it still thriving today? Oh, yes, yes, yes, definitely, man. What's the secret? Because you know, a lot of places that is predominantly black don't stay thrive. You want to know what it is? We have a sense of pride in our community to where, which don't get me wrong, there is a little bit of gentrification sprinkling in. But for the most part, we have such a pride in our community to where we kind of understand the value of where we're from and hold on to that culture. And so, you know, it's one of those places to where we understand not to sell granny house when she passed, because we got pride in our hood. You know, that's one thing I could say, man, like if you meet somebody from Acres Homes, they definitely gonna be extremely proud of being from Acres Homes. And you know, it's a beautiful place, man. So were you raised with mom and dad at home? No, no, no, no, not at all, man. Raised with mom, man. You know, dad was, you know, absent. You know, typical ghetto story, you know what I'm saying? Rolling Stone? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was in prison, which one? No, no, no, just absent. Just absent? Just absent. Did you know him? I knew who he was, but I didn't know him. You never met him? No, what I met him when I was 14. And then I didn't see him again until I was 22. But I mean, honestly, like I kind of thank him for that because in him not being there that showed me what I needed to be. But did you have an example of the person that you needed to be around you? Cause you know, sometimes you have that person who stepped in to play that father figure role. Yeah. I mean, I was surrounded by some role models and things of that nature. Cause I mean, like, you know, I grew up in a church background, like even though I got into the streets and my mom was like the secretary at the church, you know? So I was like, I grew up being one of them six days a week in church kids. You know, the way I didn't did everything except for preach the sermon in church and things of that nature. So it was like I had the brothers in the church being that role model, but then me being in the streets. And you still end up in the streets. Yeah, I was embraced. I also conceived what it was. Man, my mom like worked nights, single mom, you know what I'm saying? So she working nights, sleeping, you know what I'm saying during the day. So, you know, doing the best what she could, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, she raised me right. I just made my choices and decisions. But also too, I can say that I had the blessing like coming up in the game to where there was still some types of standards and morals that just absolutely don't exist nowadays. And so it was one of those, you know, like I come up in that area to where like the OGs didn't let the youngins to judge too much, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, I was exposed to certain things, but at the same time, you know, whenever they saw that, you know, certain ones had potential, you know, they would keep you away from it. Whereas nowadays, you know, the OGs is in the clubs with the youngins, you know, so they can't give them no guidance. So, you know. And so crazy because, you know, being a woman and a mother, you know, how, you know, I always hear my husband always say, you know, women, we are emotional creatures and so forth. So I always think about the reason why I always ask this question, because I have a son, I have, you know, kids and, you know, as much as, you know, we try to work hard to supply a good life for children, you're not there all the time. And I've heard so many people sit in that seat where you are and saying because my mom had to work four jobs, three jobs, whatever, to supply, that's why I ended up out on the streets, you know, living the street life. But of course, when she came home, I was at home, but she didn't know what I was doing till I got in trouble. But we do the best that we can for, you know, but I'm like, and they still go out here and do the things that you don't want them to do. Well, this is the thing, and let me just say this, you know, just as a parent and also to any mother that's watching, do your job and give them the game because even though I strayed from it, it was still instilled in me. And so even though I was out on the streets while and I still had certain limitations that some of my partners didn't, you know what I'm saying? Like I come from a crew of Wildcats, you know what I'm saying? And like I'm the only person out of my everyday crew that didn't catch a murder case. Yeah, that's cause you didn't get caught. I was just about to talk to my tennis team. Hold on to it, hold on to it, hold on to it. Let me get up and walk away from this table. And I throw it back out. I caught it and I throw it back out field. Yeah, nigga, don't try to throw that in here, nigga. Bang, caught it. Yeah, nah, just a blessing, you know, in the hood, you know, where it's always good and understood, you know, I ain't gonna lie to you. I definitely know that we, our people go through so much. We normalize things that other people would be terrified of. Yeah, super facts, you know? We come from a situation to where other people, let me skip that. We're always in survival mode. Correct. We're always in defense mode, you know, and sometimes that's a bad thing, but that's the reason why, no matter what they put up against us, we are still able to thrive. I think the most important thing is that we keep doing what we doing right here right now. Yeah. We need some sensible conversations so that we can permeate the youngsters who basically don't have no where to look because niggas out here wilding. Yeah, super facts. Old niggas, young niggas, like we was talking about before the camera. Old niggas and young niggas is wilding and we need some sensible niggas like you and myself to come through and have a grown man conversation with a grown lady and be able to influence the people to say, man, that's all right. It's all right to be, all right, you know what I'm saying? Because the thing about it is, man, is that, you know, like even in my music, man, like I give you the game, you know, cause I come from it, but at the same time, like I give you the consequences of it. That's hard. Cause that's the whole thing about it, you know, like everybody watch Scarface and wanna be a dope man, but they forget how it ended. Everybody watch New Jack City and wanna be Nino, but they forget how to move in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They skip past all of that. Everybody a little paid and fooled, but they forget how it ended. Yeah, American games. And that's the whole thing, you know. American games, oh no, niggas don't gotta get away from American games or niggas. That too, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Cause I'ma tell you this too. Denzel did his thing, you know what I'm saying? He come home, Frank Lucas, he got out. You know what I'm saying? You know what we want? I can start it back up right now. You know what I'm saying? Cause I'ma just tell you, man, like one of the realest things, one of my OG homies told me, the penitentiary come with all of this. It do. That's real. The penitentiary come with all of this. You see, that's the thing is, people glorify all of the so-called good things, but all of the negative things, they don't really shed light on all the negative things that show. Or you have the youngster say, that's not gonna be me just because you ended up in that situation. That ain't gonna be me. I'm gonna be different. Oh, I remember that, man. I remember it was one time, man, where I had the whole block mad at me cause I never forget I was 15 and I stood out there arguing with the big homies and I was telling them that only stupid people went to jail. See? And I'm talking about, they was like, we wanted to fight, fight. And I'm like, nah, I'm smart. They're only stupid niggas go to jail. You didn't know no better, did you? I didn't know no better. I learned though. Over the years, it took you times. And I'm leaving it at that, but you know, God bless, I'm here, man. I ain't still standing, you know, trying to, you know, that's really why I move, how I move and, you know, cause I bumped my head a couple of times, I was active out here. You know, I'm no stranger to the streets, cats know who I am. And, you know, I try to use that for positive, you know what I'm saying? You know, to try to give some game, you know, and some insight that I wasn't given. And this is the best way to give insight to me because if I know anybody, I know the fact that people don't like to be told what to do, especially face-to-face. They'll take the advice over the screens because nobody actually know that they're taking your advice. Cause everybody's gonna come on and say, man, I take it in my life because of him. People don't like to do that. But as long as you change somebody's life, that's the main purpose. Oh yeah, I'm gonna tell you what it is. Though the main thing about it is, is that when you hearing it from somebody that you feel like don't understand, you're not gonna receive that. You know what I'm saying? You know, if you from the hood and some white man, you know, comes in a suit and tie, hey, just say no, you know, go to school, lead your vitamins. You know, you're not gonna listen to that because you feel like this ain't nobody that understands your struggle and what you're going through. But if it's that cat that you see that's really from the trenches, you know that cat with 10,000 teardrops on his face that you know been about the business and him telling you something is gonna reach you a little bit better than maybe mom and dad because you feel like this is somebody who actually knows what they're talking about. This is somebody who's speaking my language and they understand where I'm at. And so that message is gonna resonate a little bit more. I got a question before we get into the music. Yes ma'am. About, tell me about a time in your life that you can talk about. Yeah. Street wise probably, where you, as you got older now, you can reflect back and realize that as God who intervened in your life why it didn't go left when it could have. There was a certain situation and I'm not gonna just go too much in the detail but I'll just say this, I was in the middle of doing something that I had no business doing. And a cat had a pistol, like right in the middle of my forehead and the gun jammed. And it's crazy cause like he pulling the trigger and he like throwing it. Like actually like hitting me in the middle of my forehead with it and the gun and jammed, you know what I'm saying and it's crazy because in that moment like we both stopped and just looked at each other and then I just took off running. You know what I'm saying? And that was definitely like one of the moments to where I know that that was like nothing but God and you know whatever that was going on at that time definitely will cease at that moment. But you know, like I can honestly say man cause you know, wanna come before destruction man. Exactly. Wanna come before destruction. You know, whether it's that voice or you know that granny telling you sometimes it's your girl say baby don't do that. Baby don't go that place. You know what I'm saying? You gonna always get that warning before that bad happening. You know, now I pay attention to that. You know what I'm saying? I just wanted to acknowledge him because a lot of times, you know, we go through things and people don't really always acknowledge that it's God. Oh yeah. A lot of times it's when you get older and you look back on your life and realize. Man, if you from the hood, you got to know God, you got to know that it couldn't have been nothing but God to get you out of certain situations cause there's no other explanation but that. You know what I'm saying? Man, you know, it's a lot of people that don't understand the scripture. You know, they say seek ye first, the kingdom of God and all his righteousness and all that other will be added until ye. You know, you just got to seek righteousness man. Like, you know, a lot of times we out here and we family men, we got kids, they looking up to us, we got to do right by them. I got to keep it 100. We can rap, we can hang out, we can talk and all that, but we got to do us right for the next generation. You see, we got to learn that though, you know what I'm saying? Cause it comes from the time. How long is it going to take? Well, I'm speaking like just being a young boy cause I know you yourself, you can admit that there was a point of time in your life to where you didn't have this same mindset. Yeah, but we got to inject them. We got to move like nobody business, it's high time. And that's the reason why people like us is necessary because at the end of the day, it's up to the OGs. You know, like we was having that conversation earlier like part of the disconnect with the OGs and the young cats is that the OGs too busy still out here trying to be young. They on the P2P, you know what I'm saying? You know, you dressing like the young cats, you still doing the same drugs and the same clubs, you know what I'm saying? Like I said, like I grew up in that area of the world, you know, you try to step into a grown folk circle, you know, and mind you, I'm in my late teens, early 20s and I'm trying to be in some certain circle. And this, you know, it's some old school cats like say youngster go play. Yeah, yeah. This ain't your place. You know what I'm saying? You know, to where it was just understood like the OGs, the real OGs carried themselves like something to not only respect, but something to follow. Man, let's talk about it. Man, let's talk about this music, man. How did you first start, you know, even rapping? When did you pick up a pen and pad? Was you punching in early on, nigga? What was going down, man? Look, I'ma be real with you, bro. Music is something that's just always been in me, man. Like if you go back and, you know, I'll be posting on my throwback Thursdays if you follow me, man. Like I didn't even want toys, man. I'm wanting music. Really? Yeah. But you say Acre's home. Acre's home, baby. Wait a minute, you sounding like, I'll be hearing Slim Thug talk about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the homie, man. Yeah, yeah. Y'all had to be in the same area. Yeah, man, like no bull, man, like me and Slim went to the same schools, you know, so like Little Mario, J-Dog, like I was there for that Slim's house movement. Yeah, like all of them are homies. You know what I'm saying? So, okay, when you think about it, I mean, cause I be playing games, you know, I put people up against people in verses and stuff, you know, I match niggas up. How many projects you got? Man, I'm 17 in, baby. If you 17 in, that was a cat, that was another cat around here. And this ain't gotta be lyrically. This is like who jamming the hardest. If you was in a verses, and you got to tell me how you would win. Yeah. And you was against Killer Collie on. Killer's hard, man. How would you win or would you not win? Let me tell you. Because I told Lil' Kiki, I put Kiki against, who do I put Kiki against? He's a Slim or Flip. I put Kiki against Slim Thug. I put Flip against ESG when he came to see me. Then I put DJ Choles up against, no, I wouldn't be king of a songswalker. He asked for be king. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Cause that would make more sense. This is just friendly conversation. Friendly conversation. But it's really a friendly competition. Because you niggas done did so much work down here. I gotta say it, man. Who would win in a versus between you and Killer Collie on? Let me say this with the utmost respect for Killer as a artist. Cause he's definitely a top tier lyricist. It is not to be taken lightly. Like I'ma give him his flowers. You know what I'm saying? But I'ma win. And I'ma tell you why. Because I can do that without cussing. That's hands down. Like, tell them the reason why, and nothing out the city message would be because I can be super clean error. He got to clean that. He got a clean aspect about it. He can clean it up. Straight up. Like, hey, listen, he would do his thing, but I stopped cussing in my music in 2015. And I promise you that I have delivered consistent albums that's justice, jamming, quality, street music. That's a way you don't even know you're listening to something without no cussing. And I know for a fact. So on my 13th album, and I mean this volume too. So 13 in numerology symbolizes change in the start of a new cycle. So like I told you, my mama was straight church house, and she had never listened to my music before. And it was that. And then I was in the hood one time in and I saw one of my nephews like singing the lyrics to my song, you know what I'm saying? He was cussing and it kind of bothered me some. And so I kind of just decided that like for that 13th project, I was gonna make one that my tea lady could listen to. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, it was funny too. Cause when I gave a tour for her to hear, like the next time I saw her, like she just walked up to me and like popped me on my arm. I'm like, what you doing? She like, I can't figure that out yet, but I know you cussed on that. But it was crazy though, because like the reception that I got from that, like it just opened up completely new doors for me. You know what I'm saying? And like create a new opportunities for me that I just had never had. So it was like, you know what? Like, exactly. You know what I'm saying? And that was just the EP. And then it started as an album. And it's like, you know, like, man, if you look at me, I mean, like y'all done heard me. You know what I'm saying? You know, collaborate man with K-Reno. Yeah, but no, let me go back. Don't jump out there. Come on, come on. Let's, let's, let's, let's, let's take it. I want to talk about this killer Calay on defeat. Y'all standing up there. He going song for song. The nigga lyrical is hell. No, listen, man. I killed his a monster, bro. I killed his a monster, bro. Yo, kill his a monster. Listen, listen. We not even finna play games in this all. We not even finna play games. Like, I mean, I met killer at a Corey Moe's house, man. Shout out to my boy, Corey. Shout out to Corey Moe. That's why I first met him, man. You know what I'm saying? Like me and killer was doing some shows. That was back when I was going by KID at the time. And the last show we did together, man. We did one at the Superdome. That was when they gave many fresher keys to the city. Man, that was like right before Katrina. That was during my second deal. That's all. So, you know, like, you know, I haven't communicated with him or just been in touch with him since then. But like, we was familiar with each other. Respect. And there was a mutual respect. And like I said, you know, like, like, like nigga killer, killer is a monster. Like, like we not finna play those types of games. Like literally, you know. He's a clean version. He's going to come home and see. Like, man, I feel like ain't nothing missing with me. If we just going to just keep it funky, you know what I'm saying? But as an emcee, ain't you supposed to fit in? No, you bet. Now come on here, buying down another. Ain't you supposed to? You better get in there. You feel it. You 17 projects, 17 albums in. I'm supposed to say this. And you going to chuck your tail on him? Because guess what? If you, if killer was sitting right here, he going to say the same thing. Of course. I would hope he would. Well, every, I have not had nobody to sit in front of Boss Talk 101 when I put these verses up and be like, no, he'll get me. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I'm just, I'm just putting it out there. And it's really just so, let me, let me pump the brakes for a second. It's just really to show homage to the people who mean something in the city. I love y'all, man, and killing Kaleon. I've been a fan. I never got to meet him. One day I'll get to interview him, you know? Say, man, man, the man is an undisputed legend out the city, man. You can't take nothing from the man that's here. I could have said J-Dog, and it would have just. I mean, but that's a little bro, though. He'll tell you I'm a monster. He'll tell you I'm a monster. Boy, that's some crazy stuff up here. We y'all got some talent up here, bro. Yeah, we got like super talented. Like, man, like if you see a lot of people, don't know, man. But if you go back, like you can find like, like matter of fact, 52nd just did an interview on Donnie Houston. 52nd, boy, that's hard. Like he just did an interview on Donnie Houston where he's talking about how I showed him and his brother how to rap. You know what I'm saying? That's hard, man. Like I grew up with these cast. The thing was, was that I was in the streets and I was just getting in trouble. And they took it a little bit more serious than I did. But like I was there. Like, like the store that made Swisher House blow up was a store in Gulf Bank called Selective Sounds. We're going to give a history lesson. Selective Sounds was right there on the corner of Gulf Bank and Antoine. My uncle Brent had a barber shop right there. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I used to hustle on that block. Okay. I was out there every day, like getting it in. Yeah, yeah. Like Selective Sounds was so important that when the feds raided watts, they also raided Selective Sounds. Damn. Eugene, there was a cat named Eugene Gibson, man. Big Gene, man. I'm going to give you your flowers, bro. Because a lot of people leave you out of the equation. But like I was there. So like I saw that transition. I saw that beginning, you know what I'm saying? You know, because like Swisher House started off as a homestead thing. The very first person who wasn't from the stair to be on the Swisher House tape was Lil' Mario. Yeah, Lil' Mario. Lil' Mario took me to Swisher House before I had to go turn myself in. Well, wait a minute. Wait a minute. You're bringing back memories now because, man, I remember man, that nigga with beef and nigga, that nigga Slim Thug had a whole, it was a whole L.A. sounding album that talked about Lil' Mario. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he talked about all them niggas, J-Dawg. He got every nigga that he, and he was slaying them niggas. I didn't, I heard their part, too. But for some reason, Hills came like, it was like, my name is thrown in there. You was on that, too. Let me know. I wasn't on there. But I'm just going to say this, the homie OG Capo, you know, in like one of the disresponses, you know what I'm saying? He mentioned my name in there. I was, let me just say this, and I'm not going to go in too much into it because them the homies, and I didn't have a dog in that fight. Because it was really disappointing for me to see the homies into it at that time. But at the same time, I was there. I was outside. Yeah. I saw that. I'm a part of that story. Was it really that, was it on wax, or was it, it could have got up? No, no, it was real. So it could have got ugly. Oh, no, it got ugly. It was real. Like I ain't going to lie to you. Like, you know, we're not going to incriminate nobody, but it got, it got real. It got ugly. It got ugly. So the hood know what time it is, you know what I'm saying? But you know, thank God that it's not there. You know, people grow and, and you know, get past things. And I mean, you know, it was a misunderstanding. You know, young Bulls, that was at the peak of their game. You know, it happens, you know what I'm saying? You know, you're going to get that Ali infrasions type activity. You know, everybody want to be at the top. You know what I'm saying? You can get in the game. Yeah, you know, the JZs, the Nazis, you know, it just so happened there for us. You know, that was what that was. That was it. You know what I'm saying? During that time, like when you, that's the young boy era for you. How old would you to be in, because that was where I'm about, ah, we was in the North Dallas. I was over in the North. Yeah, that was like late eight. I mean, I'm not saying that. No, no. Late nineties. Yeah, late nineties. Late nineties. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that whole, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like about like nine, seven, nine, eight was when it just started taking off. Yeah, and I was mad at y'all too when everything switched over because you niggas stopped. Y'all had the game on lock. Houston was, I'm from Texas. Yeah. I feel like we had some, you know, I don't, I'm the, you know, I'm like the president or the governor. I'm not looking at it from, I'm from here. No, no, nigga, it's Texas. Okay. I want a Texas medallion, you know. It ain't that big, nigga, because I want you niggas trying that and it's diamonds all much bigger. Oh yeah, TX all there. But let me just say, I love the, I love the way that it was going here, but the screw tapes, you know, and the regular tape were coming out. Y'all decided to back up off of it, not you, but they jumped off and start trying to be like everybody else and Mr. Damn Money. Exactly. I mean, I'm saying this child with me and I didn't even close it. Mr. Damn Money. I'm trying to be like everybody else. You know what it was, man? I'm gonna tell you what it was. It was a combo of two things. First off, the game down here became convinced that they had to make it up there to be accepted because, and then two, we got to rewind in time and let's keep it factual. There was a time to where the South was not getting any respect at all. And so we became convinced that in order to be somebody, we had to be accepted up there instead of just being satisfied with who we was. But then what happened was, was once we got up there and saw it for what it was, it was kind of like a no, I don't wanna play that game. And I think that what it was was that boys were so successful in the region that they kind of just was okay with that. Cause I mean, you could be a millionaire down here without leaving and that's the one of the blessings that we have and sometimes that's a gift. I don't wanna cut y'all, but that's what, I mean, I ain't gonna lie, the first nigga that really made it very convincing to me was Lil' Flip. I remember when it seemed like he had all the traction and motion. Now I ain't gonna say, to me, I'm on the outside looking in. It looked like Lil' Flip really didn't get to support in the infrastructure and I don't know why. No, you're right. Cause I don't know why. I was up there and there and why at the time. Like that was the time when I was up there. I was like, I don't know why, but it seemed like he is the man, but it seemed like it's some drawback because he may not be maneuvering the way that people would like. I'm just telling you, I know what it is. From the outside looking in. Well, let me explain it from the inside looking out. Hey. What it is, is that we abide by a different set of rules down here that everybody else don't abide by. Okay. And so once you step into certain rooms and you see people behaving in a way that'll get your cap twisted back down here. It's like, oh, okay. Let me step back from this. Okay. You know, it's like, I'ma just use this as an analogy. Like imagine being somebody that's a weed smoker and the party is going down and it's cooler than all of a sudden somebody pull out crack and everybody starts smoking crack. And it's like, oh, shit. No, I'm not. I don't get down like that. You know what I'm saying? And I'm using that analogy to explain how extreme the game is. Cause like I moved to New York for two years. You know what I'm saying? Like I actually was in talks with G unit. You know what I'm saying? Shady. You know what I'm saying? I can't believe you did that. Yeah. Nigga, you're a Texas nigga. You can't be up there in a little bit of rooms like that. Nigga, we like big stuff. You crazy. How you do it? My cousin did that. Me chasing a dream. And like you'll be told. It was an uncomfortable dream. You know what it was though? I'ma be honest with you, man. Like that was one of the greatest things that happened because I got the chance to see that the world was bigger than here. Man, I love growing, but I don't love staying. Yeah, you're right. Cause it's a great place to make money. I love going and kicking with money. It's a great place to make money. Yeah. Cause you know, of course, but we, because it's natural to us. Yeah. Like somebody from up there might come down here. That's probably gonna like it. Yeah. You know, ain't no place like home. But you know, like it was just one of those situations to where like when you step into the machine, cause like you gotta think about that shit. Like down here, we can make the bread and we ain't gotta do all of that extra shit. We ain't gotta do the TMZs, the Kardashian bullshit to succeed and be rich down here in the TS. But up there, it's industry heavy. You know, you gotta, you know, do the politics and all of that bullshit. And so it's like the cash down here went up there, got the deals and then stepped into those rooms and saw how that shit worked them was like, but you know, now this ain't necessarily my thing. And just decided to just come back, you know, to a comfortable space. And you know, and this is my thing. If that's what you want to do, do it. Cause at the end of the day, everybody not gonna be a millionaire, but it's a whole bunch of happy hundred thousand there. Yeah. I gotta address the elephant in the room. I mean, Houston two weeks ago, takeoff was actually killed down here. Where were you at? And what's your take on it? Man, I'ma say this, bro. It threw me off, man, cause I was actually at the crib chilling. And I'ma say this, man, and I'm just gonna be as real about it as I can. We gotta be careful out here in these streets, man. You know, at the end of the day, man, like rap, the thing I hate about rap sometimes is that this is the only game to where niggas feel like they gotta prove themselves. You know, like everybody else gets to sing songs and nobody else expects them to live up to that image. Rap is the only genre of music to where if you say you kill 17 niggas, then they expect you to kill 18 niggas. You know what I'm saying? And so that's the first problem. And then the second thing is, is that the lesson from that is, is this, man, when you that successful, you have to move as a business. It gets to a point in time to where you gotta stop worrying about being a real nigga and be a businessman because, and again, you know, God bless the dead. You know what I'm saying? That's absolutely no disrespect. God bless, take off God bless his family. You know what I'm saying? Everybody affected by that, but that was like an example of sometimes you don't need to be in certain areas or if you're gonna be in certain areas, you need to move a certain way and move with purpose. Get in, get out. Ain't nothing wrong with making it to the house, bro. That don't make you soft, you know what I'm saying? Cause I mean, man, I'm from the streets, bro. Like boys will tell you, I'm in the hood all the time. Cause that's where all my friends and my family is. But at the same time, I move with purpose. I understand that I can't be in certain spots for too long because I'm not indulging in certain activities no more. You know what I'm saying? And that's not me trying to act funny with my people, but like, I don't hustle no more. I'm not out here in the streets active like that. I'm a full-time businessman and a rapper now. So I need to conduct myself as that because it's people that depend on me. Cause if I get in the jam, everybody that's depending on me is in the jam now. And so I have to move with purpose. You know what I'm saying? And that don't mean that you gotta act funny with your people, but at the same time, you got to move with purpose. You got to move with a certain type of sense. You know what I'm saying? And I just hope that, you know, my young, my young cast is coming up in the game. Like, bro, it's okay to say, say, bro, I need to move around. Man, it was just, hey, man, RIP to take off. Yeah, hey, RIP to him. You know, sad situation, man, for everybody involved, man. And I just, I just hope that, you know, it's sad, man. Cause it seems like, like I remember, you know, I'm a little bit older, man. So like, I remember when it was a shock to us when Pock and Big died. Yeah, it was crazy. That was crazy. Like, like a lot of y'all wasn't around for that, but like, that was like a real moment in time for us when Pock died and then after Biggy died. Like, that was something that was unusual. But you gotta understand, being an older cat, you know, it's like a abusive relationship. Pretty soon, you know, that, you know, the woman just give up on a man. He didn't cheat it on all day long. He just, whatever, you know, he don't care anymore. Or you become numb to the pain. When you lose, say, it was, it was a shocker back then, but when you lose a pop smoke, when you lose that other boy that was up there from New York, I don't know if he got his name, but he used to be a French Montana. I ain't got him forgot his name. What's his name? Chief Struck. Chiefs, okay. There you go. I was a big fan of Hills. And then you lose a Dolf. And then you lose a, you know, P.M.B. Rock. Then you lose that other two more niggas in LA. And it becomes a thing where now we lost takeoff, you know, but it's like it keeps happening over and over quickly, right behind each other. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. But it all has. It's not the same no more. But it goes right back to what I said. Cause I'm guilty of it myself. You know what I'm saying? Me being from the streets, you know what I'm saying? And you know me being one of them ones. Like sometimes I've even feeling like, say bro, like this is my hood. I'm from the streets. A nigga can't tell me nothing, but then I have to check myself like, say bro, you not living like that no more. When you got money, when you didn't made it, you would talk, you know what I'm saying? Like point blank, like niggas, like niggas in the hood die every day over tax refunds homie. A couple of thousand, you feel me? You could win a couple hundred dollars in a dice game against smoke. So imagine being a millionaire in the hood where the wolves and the coyotes at. It's some cash out there that's on bond that don't know how they gonna pay their lawyer. Got child support and then baby mama waiting at the house to get on. Cause they ain't, you know, the baby need diapers. You know what I'm saying? Like it's real out here in the streets and you have to be mindful of that. And that don't make you weak or no pump because you move a certain way. You got to be smart. You just got to be smart. It just is what it is. It is what it is. What do you think about South Walker? He down there. Man, listen bro. Shout out to my little bro, Real Spiel, man. He wanted a new additions to the South's family, man. I'ma be, I'ma be one thigh while when I don't care who I piss off. South's Walker is doing what I wish that a lot of the OGs would have done, man. Cause one thing I could say about that dude is, is that he has a formula and he's figured it out to where not only did he build himself as a brand, but he makes sure that he uses every opportunity that he has to build his brand and bring light to his artist, man and all. Cause I'ma be real with you. Like when South came out at first, I didn't like him because I didn't understand him. And you know, I thought he was just, you know, just something wild, you know what I'm saying? Then it was one night, it was the spot called the Enclave, man. Big shout out to my homie, Natural. And I watched him speak and once I heard him, I'm like, no, this youngster, this youngster got it. This youngster understands something, you know what I'm saying? And I think that it's hard for them to give him his props now, but like when that run is done, I'ma honestly say, man, that like that South shit is gonna be like something that's never, ever happened in the game. And they gonna have to get that young cat his props, man. Cause like he's actually building some shit. Like a lot of cats don't know how to get out of the way of their artists. The only artist that ever saw that knew how to properly push their shit was Wayne and Ross. Too many artists still be trying to be the stars and getting in the way of their artists and shit. And it's like, Walk does his thing, but then he also knows how to get out of his artist's way and use his star power to help build his artist, man. So like I love what that young cat doing, man. Why you say it's hard for them to give him his props right now? Because to give him his props, they have to admit their failure. That's hard. Just hands down. You know what I'm saying? And that's the nature of the game that we play. This point blank period, you know? And it is what it is. And again, I don't care who I pissed off because at the end of the day, when you got in that position, this is the thing, man. Let me give y'all some free game. The way that you keep yourself relevant and to stay cool is by consistently putting out cool shit. Even if that cool shit ain't your music. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, Wayne will never fail because he can always jump on a Drake or Nicki Minaj song. Rick Ross could stay hot by jumping on a motherfucking Wale or a meat and meal song. So at the end of the day, if you build yourself up and then you build up some shit this hot, you'll never get cold because if you put the hottest shit in the game, in the game, it's right there at your disposal. Man, you gotta understand, you skipping over, you got to say, now NBA Youngboy is something different. You know what he is, bro. And I had to say that because when you speak in these names, you got to, you can't skip by this dude because of the way that he's electrifying the social media platforms and the way that you can't, every nigga, if you see him come out tomorrow, he's about to start touring too. No problem. Yeah. Because the young niggas. He's another cat out there sleeping on. They love that cat. So yeah, let's speak on him too. We can't skip by. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, let me say this because that's a Louisiana comp. I want to keep a Texas. And big shout out to that boy. You know what I'm saying? He doing this thing and shit. You know what I'm saying? But let's just say this, there's a lot of cats that are out here right now that are switching up the game. And if you smart, even if you don't like them, yeah, just look at what they're doing. And the only thing I said, only when I said it, because you brought up a little rain and dry. Oh yeah, no, I understand it. So you know, I got to, I got to pull you back in. But you go down now. You got to pass on your neck. When you pass on your neck. You got to pass on your neck. And you go to New Orleans and all the little Wayne niggas, you can't pass up in there, you know what I'm saying? And big shout out to the niggas over here. Hold it. Listen to me straight. I got a Louisiana wife. I got much love for Louisiana. Don't ever get it fucked up, man. It's like, where for where. I think it's, I think of Texas and Louisiana is so close to the nitty-nitty, man. I mean, let's talk about you and Bumby and Dougie D. Yeah, man. Man, y'all did a little. Yeah, so hard, man. That's so hard. Went so hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was dope. Let's talk about that for a second. How did y'all even come together even do that? Man, I'ma tell you, man. Big shout out to my bro, Dougie D, man. You know what man, that's the homie, man. Like for real, for real, man. And at the time, man, Dougie got the beat and he just called me. You know, and it's the only way. Say, bruh-bruh, bruh-bruh, I need you right here. Y'all know how Dougie do it, man. Yeah, Dougie reached out to me, bro. And it was like, say, bro, like, you know, I need you to do your thing on this here, man. And when he sent me that beat, you know, it just, it just came to me, man. And like the rest is history. Because like, to be told, let me tell you what's crazy about it. You know, I wrote the hook, you know what I'm saying? Saying that shit. And I had no idea Bum was gonna end up on the record. You know what I'm saying? Because he ended up calling me. You know what I'm saying? He like, nigga. He like, bro, bun on that bitch now. I'm like, man, I'm good for him, you know what I'm saying? You know, and when I heard it, man, you know that like that shit was epic, man. You know what I'm saying? Like big shout out, man, to bun. You know what I'm saying? You know, cause he, you know, he even gave me my card like at the shoot. You know what I'm saying? You know, Bum was like, nigga, like, nigga, that was hard. You know what I'm saying? But you know, you know, that's what like a lot of people don't know, man. Cause I sing also, you know, Kes used to me rapping like, some people know what I'm saying, but like I really be like singing my ass off. You sing, sing, huh? Yeah, you sing. Yeah, no, no, no, I sing, sing. So if I actually just sing a little bit of song right now. I knew that was coming, would you do that? She'll come, if you want, I just hope you know. Now I look away. I'm like, oh, hey, yo, yo, you know what I'm saying? What you get yourself into? I want to hear a little bit of song. You know what? You know what, let me see what I could, Can miss a chorus of song. That's what I'm thinking about right now. Cause I want to sing something like. I'm a duck, street thug, and I'd hit ground when having no other way. I'm a duck, street thug, and I'm destroying us. Take my G's, quit hating, nigga, please. Man, oh, love, man. We in A style, baby, we in A style, baby, stop playing, man. Hey, listen, man. Yeah, you can sing. Yeah, yeah. And I rap a nigga ass into the wild. So you know. No, man, I just, hey, man, look, man, I never, nothing seems to amaze me over here when I'm sitting in this seat, man, and I'm sitting beside brothers, man, and sisters, man. We some talented people, bro. Get in with it, man. Yeah, like, I got some, man, I got some joints with some of the best of them, man. Like, you know, I know you and Xero got to join together. A couple of, let's, let's, let's get into that. Even, how is it working with Xero? Cause looking from the outside, looking in, he's not that approachable to be asking to do a song with. So I'm gonna keep it funky. I'm gonna be in real with you. The whole shit, that was like just, we had a mutual friend, and so I reached out to the friend and just made it happen. But you never talked to the nigga while y'all working? We never had that communication. How the hell do y'all put a song together and never speak? Man, I'm gonna be in real with you, bro. That's just the way that the industry works. Like, sometimes it's just a protection. Now, there are other people like, I got a single with Devin and I'm about to get ready to drop. So like, that's big bro. Like, we was actually in the lab together. You know what I'm saying? Cause you know, like, for those of y'all that don't know, Devin, you got an album called One For The Road. I'm actually on a song. It's track number nine called Rearview. You know what I'm saying? That's me on there. They slotted my name on the spelling, but that's me on there. You know what I'm saying? Doing my thing. And so, you know, like big bro, when I reached out to him, you know, the love was already there, man. You know, he pulled up. Even a different type of dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Devin used to be dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Different type of dude. Let me tell you, let me say this because, you know, that Cadillac 19. Yeah, yeah, that Cadillac 79. Rolling, God, yeah. But then you hear him on that Snoop Dogg too. Yeah. That nigga there, fly man. Say, man, that's big bro. Like that. Listen, that nigga there, he is one of them dudes, bro. Like, I'ma be real with you, bro. It is, that's one of my greatest accomplishments to me because it was an honor to me when he called me because it's like, okay, this is somebody that Dray Snoop, Jay-Z or Kelly, you know, it's like countless people have had him on they shit. And for him to tell me that he wanted me on his shit, like, and it can't tell me. Woo, nothing. And then it was so crazy because like, bro actually came to me with the song that fit me. Like straight up, like say, bro, like, I want you on this one. I got a song for you, nigga. And when he put that bitch on, it was crazy. You know what I'm saying? Cause we was chilling together, you know, like how we chilling and shit, man. And bro put on the beat and I'm like, man, put that bitch on repeat. So like I'm sitting there for like about 10 minutes and shit. And he's like, man, like, I'ma email you that shit. I'm like, no, bro, I'm ready. And he looked at me like, like, nigga, man, quit playing kid. I'm like, nigga, I'm ready. He's like, well, spit it thing. No, like I just, you just did me. You know what I'm saying? And I spit the verse. Niggas was like, nigga, we from the record this shit right now. We walked straight in the crib, nigga, and you know, the rest is history. You know what I'm saying? Cause you know what I'm saying? Like that was the homie, man. Like, man, like no bullshit, man. Me and Dev used to sit up and drank the shit out of Bud lights. You know, I don't smoke weed no more and shit. Bro be doing this thing and shit. But, uh, man, we used to sit up, get full of them fucking Bud lights, man, chopping game and shit. Like, man, big shout out to the dudes, man. Like, that's one of the realest guys. The dudes. I've been asking for him for a minute. It's him, DOC. DOC already told us he coming. Yeah, it's just whenever we make it happen. Can I say something? Go ahead. Let me give DOC his flowers, man. Let me tell y'all something. The child may not have paid attention to. This rap game ain't shit without Texas. When you come to the East Coast, you ain't nothing unless you done wrapped over some DJ Premier shit. Texas. DOC, one of the fathers of the West Coast movement. When you talk about that NWA, that Ice Cube, you can't leave him with all of that shit, he was right fucking there. You know what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, the game ain't nothing without this Texas shit, man. And then the nigga got a baby from Erica. Man, stop playing, man. Hold on, man. That man did his thing, man. Say, man, listen, man. That look just like her. Listen, man, I think my wife wouldn't even be mad if I cheated with Erica, but I do. My wife would give me depth if I cheated on her with Erica, by the way. She'd understand that shit. Man, I'm just saying, for real. Hey, but do love the God of man. So what's your top few artists of all time did online? Annie Johnnera. Ooh, see, just three. Annie Johnnera. And number one, we don't want no explanation or all that. And that's hard though, but you next. No, just go ahead and start. Number one, so let me say this then. If I just gotta pick number one, Squaw face. Number two. And I agree with you. Number two. Number two, I'm gonna have to go, Stevie Wonder. Number three. Oh, that's hard. Number three, man, that would be like hardest fuck, but if I just got to fucking choose, I'm gonna say Koo G rap. Koo G rap, you took it all the way back. I'm gonna take it like Koo, Padoop, or old school. You had to. Yeah, cause like Koo G with them words, cause like I'm one of them, like rap syllable for syllable. Types of cats and like that dude had a style that was like none other. Like point blank, like one of my favorites. Every time I work on the album, I listen to Fast Life. That's a song, Koo G rapping Nas. Go listen to that song, bro. Like hands down, like if you into lyrics and like it's crazy, bro, because that was like, man, man, that song there is crazy, bro. Nas held his own. And like that's the first time I ever heard Nas sweat on the song. That's the only time I heard Nas sweat on the song, but he held his own. But like Romfest. I just loved your choices, man. Cause you made the right decision in saying Scarface. Oh yeah. No, man. Papa Faceland. Stop playing, bro. He really was listening for you to say PemC. That's what he was listening for. What is it? You know what? Wait a minute. Let me stop you right there. I'm gonna tell you right now, that's two different styles. Okay. You said I said any genre, but I'm just saying. You're my number one, but I understand Scarface could be another person. I'm one. If you say something else, contrary to that, then you got yourself argued. But see, I got cut short. Cause it's like, you know, like man, I could throw the hundred, three thousand. No, we're not gonna throw none of them. No, we're not doing none of that. But I only had to pick three. So, you know, we're gonna keep on. That's crazy though, that you left Pimp out though. No, I'm just kidding. No. Have you ever get to meet Pimp? No. And I hate that I didn't, man. I got the chance to meet Bun. It's crazy. I met Bun. Back to Cory Moore. I actually had a song that Cory Moore produced that I had with Bun, back when I had my second deal that never came out due to politics, man. But like real, like, and I'm not even ashamed to say it, bro. Bun wrote his verse right there on the spot, bro. And when that nigga was not looking, when I saw that he was finna leave that shit, bro, I picked that niggas wrap up, bro, and folded that shit, put that shit in my back pocket, and took that shit home, bro, to keep that shit, bro. Because that shit meant something to me, my nigga. And I lost it, I lost it, bro, but I'm not even finna lie to you and I don't care what none of you niggas say because I'ma tell you something, 96 to 2006 Bun B wasn't nothing fucking with that shit, bro. Bun is the first nigga they made, Jay-Z have to come back on the song and spit another verse, bro. Go listen to Big Pimp and the radio version of that shit. Jay had to go back in the lab and write a whole another verse and add that shit, nigga, come on. I still say Pimp ate them niggas up with eight bars. Oh, yeah, no, listen, man, Pimp is the legend. I mean, like- For me, Pimp ate them niggas up with eight bars. Yeah, like I call myself, so I refer to myself as the son of Rick James and nephew of Sweet James. I like that. To pay homage, you know what I'm saying? Because I get the comparisons in the tone sometimes and then to like, man, Pimp was just, man, man, Pimp was a fucking alien, man, just to be able to rap, sing and produce, you know what I'm saying? Different. Because I used to produce as well. I used to be the three-headed monster too. And so like Pimp was like one of the cast that gave me the courage to sing. I used to look at singing like it was weak, you know what I'm saying? And like Pimp would get on that bitch and meow on that motherfucker. Oh yeah, that's right. Pimp would get on that bitch, nigga, I'm talking about say and let it loose and it was like, say, man, like, wow. Hey, hey, hey, we can talk about Pimp all day. Oh yeah, but shit show, listen, I would gladly join in that show, man. Listen, hey, man, so, man, how can people get a hold of you if they're trying to come with you? Wherever you listen to music at, wherever you watch videos at anywhere, man, you can find me there, K-I-D-R-I-C-C James. K-I-D-R-I-C-C-J-A-M-E-S, man. Follow me like fucking me laws and fucking white folks neighborhoods. You know, follow me like hurry up and buy when you're in the beauty supply store. You know, I'm right there, man. So you come to the D, so you can come by my spot. Man, listen, man, we can do it in studio. I got some stories about it. I know that. I'm gonna come out there, man. I had a crazy ass episode to happen on I-35 in Lancaster. We might be able to talk about that once the statue of limitations. I don't get it, shit. Thank you so much for coming. We love you, kid. Listen, man, thank y'all for having me, man. Kidding James in the building, guys, man. We love you, man. Hey, man, check it, man. Hey, man, make sure you guys like and subscribe. I tell them, man, it dope. Y'all know we here. We in that age, man. We in Houston, Texas, man. With some real stumped-down cast, man. Rockin' with us, man. Blessin' us. We payin' homage to all the grace down here, man. What's goin' down? Check it, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. What up, Boss is Talk? It's up.