 Hey everybody. Hello. We're live. Good day internet on a Saturday. Whoa Late morning. Good times So yeah, we are I'm gonna get in the chat room here We're doing our quarterly hangout from Studio feline studio feline three of us on the couch never been done before never in the history of this In fact, this is Roger's first time being at my house, and I think Tom has only been here once before Yeah, maybe she wasn't kidding when she would when Sarah says she lives by the beach and she lives by the beach It's not like three blocks down to the beach. No, it's true I live as close as I can in the ocean. We're actually underwater right now. Yeah, it's weird. You'd think Hey, they can air tight serve waters under water. Yeah, we can do it, too. Why not? Also, I don't know if you can see that the kangaroo moved Yeah, one of them did I'm gonna move to so Here we go. Zoe brings bacon is in the chat we'll be taking questions in the questions channel of the slack if you're an analyst and in A little bit. We're gonna have some of the advisor people on patreon who support us at the advisor level Join in on the hangout, which I just realized will mean We'll have to figure out a way for everybody Do we have speakers? I feel like we might have a little bit of audio that I can hear It's just me. Yeah, what do you figure that out as we go? I can at least hear them here. Okay? and We've got a survey to go over 448 responses. I'm sure more responses will keep going on but we did tell people to have it in by Friday on the survey itself, so Do you guys want to run through some of these responses? Yes, I do and in fact now. I'm realizing I need my laptop. So go grab your laptop. 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You'll have to buy me some coffee and a slice of pie Sounds lovely Anyway, yeah, this is great love hearing about all this stuff from you guys And into the questions we asked particularly now at the associate producer level $5 a month and up patrons get a weekly column of hot takes and news roundups that have been written by me since we started this and while I was gone in Australia Roger filled in and Lots of you said nice things about that and so we're thinking about rotating and more bringing Sarah in on it having Roger Do it on a regular basis and we said would you like that and then I gave all the options of No, I wouldn't like that. Actually. I just want Sarah and Roger to write it not Tom and thankfully 69.1% of you said great love to hear it from all three of you. Cool Yeah, sounds like most of the folks would like to hear a little a little bit of Rotating now 12% said just drop the weekly column Because they're not reading it. I guess in which case I say well then just don't read it Yeah, I would assume it's because they're not reading it not because they don't like right right They're probably just like nah doesn't matter. Well, you know when Tom when you got back from vacation and you said to Roger night Hey, that seemed to work. Well, do we just kind of want to have more variety Roger and I were both like, okay I mean, why not sounds fun. I'm on board for whatever. All right mixing it up a little bit So yeah, we'll figure that out give that a try Now to patrons who get the newsletter, which is that that column that I'm talking about What do you like most about it 45.7% said the quips slash observations and hot takes 26.4% said both the quips observations hot takes and the news rundown because the second half is just kind of best of the week news links and 18% said neither and 9.5% said they would like the news rundown so the news rundown definitely the least Popular part of that I've toyed with dropping that because it is redundant When you're talking about So the first half of the newsletter is is the stuff we write sure and then the second half is just Taken from daily tech headlines and the top stories kind of like here. Yeah, here's a summary of the news of the week I dropped it one week and a couple people said they missed it. It looks like 9.5% of them would really miss it Well, although considering that we you know, we've got the news the news is there Yeah, you know, just kind of a matter of yeah, like choosing it if you know There was a large number of people saying this is you know offensive. We hate news, but I guess I just don't I don't 26% saying both Counted with the people who just like that. That's 36%. So that's it You know the only part that bothers me about it to be honest is that we have spelling errors in our Our rundowns which don't matter to us because when we're reading it, but then I don't always catch them Yeah, I Try really hard to For headlines sometimes I'm just like, yeah Rattling up again to the clock and that's what it's going to be But then I'll go in afterwards and try to clean stuff up particularly if I'm porting it over to daily tech If uh, google sheets alerts me to like the typo or something Yeah, I'd say I'm here, but that doesn't always catch everything. So all right Well, we will Double down on fighting the misspellings. Um, but yeah, and then we'll go to that. Okay. What did you think of solo? 63.4% didn't see it That's me. I haven't seen it 27.2% liked it. That's me I didn't see it yet. I felt from what I've heard. It's very uh, I don't know. I heard something I don't know. It's stupid of me to talk about a movie I haven't seen and I don't really have an opinion about but A couple folks that are really big star wars fans They're gonna see every movie in the franchise no matter what it is said, you know It's just kind of a movie no one asked for And it wasn't bad, but it wasn't it wasn't a must-see. Yeah, but I don't you could see it whenever That's true. Like it's I mean, it's probably a little better in the theater, but it's still gonna be fun at home Yeah, you know special effects are good The train scene is probably the one where you're like that's really cool in the theater But most of it's just the quipping and the adventure and the running around It's it's a Not it's not even no, it's it that's part of it Honestly, but it's just a fun movie. It's a fun adventure movie. I think if you didn't even know who Han Solo was You'd still enjoy that movie Probably more because then you'd be less judgmental and have fewer expectations. Right. It's happening with your mic I'm just suggesting All right, uh My guess is if DTNS weren't live now, this doesn't mean we're gonna cancel the live stream I was just trying to gauge like how important is this with folks if DTNS weren't live you would cry yell sigh shrug It's live and don't care 32.4 percent would shrug 31.5 percent don't care 11.9 percent said it's live 15.3 percent with sigh Which means I kind of like it but and 7.4 percent would cry that sounds about right So the majority of people who watch or listen Don't necessarily do it when we're live. Yeah, so we do that. Yeah, exactly. I mean even in our boss's slack sometimes We'll get feedback from whatever we talked about that day And it's I can tell that it rolls in based on when people are getting to it It's not based on 4 30 p.m. Eastern time On weekdays. Yeah Right. We're considering putting automated ads in the free public feed of DTNS We've talked about we talked about this on the last quarterly hangout. This is not something we're rushing to do Because we know that being ad free was a big perk for people So if if you're just hearing about this for the first time don't panic Our commitment is to have an ad free version of daily tech news show for the majority of you and that If we did add ads to any feed that If you're a patron you wouldn't have to worry about that feed and those ads would be fairly non intrusive I want to do what text message does Nate Langston's show Where the the ads are automatically added in And they're not added in every time so you're not forced to hear ads if there's no advertiser If you're listening to text message, you know, like it's pretty unobtrusive And if you're a patron of text message, you don't get the ads either. So we asked people what they thought about that and honestly Some people even said a great idea. Most people were fine with it There were a small amount of people who were like I liked that you didn't have any ads involved in the enterprise at all and that's what attracted me to it And so we're very respectful of that but I was surprised how generally positive People were about it And the biggest concern that I I saw was people saying I get the regular feed even though I'm a patron. I would not like have ads I would not like have ads. I will use all words Not like to have ads, right? I would not like to have ads in that feed And what I would do if we do this Is make sure that we have a feed that is exactly like the feed you get right now As a patron that would have no ads So so we would we would take care of that somehow for you and it would be a feed that would work in all your podcasts catchers, etc Anything else on that? Yeah, I mean I I I completely understand how having an ad free experience is really important and hopefully having choices with If you don't want ads you will absolutely have that option as well I like that someone wrote so long as good day internet does not go away. Oh How could it? Yeah, uh and good day internet is only through patreon. So it would have no ads in it at all Um, but yeah, people were generally pretty positive Yeah, and I appreciate the fact that you know, sometimes ads help people keep creating stuff and and Certainly don't want to turn anybody off. So yeah, and I would want to do it Really, you know to me the spirit of dts is we're able to cover whatever we want without having to think Oh that there's a sponsorship relationship and and I would do it in a way that would preserve that Uh, so that the sponsored because this is something that wasn't available when I watched dts There are companies now that will be like well you tell us if there's a category you don't want But we'll take care of the sponsorship relationships and you never have to think about Um, so all right. What do you think of the monthly ground table episodes? This is a question roger head. Do you like themed episodes variety episodes or both? Um, the top actually came out with both, which is good. Um themed Came in around a came in all lower at seven A lot lower. So it's good to know that um That people enjoy both because that helps me determine what type of guests to book Samuel, sorry my cat's crying. He's please he likes both you like I love a good theme like cat themes, please And you know it actually makes it easier to book in some ways because then i'm not locked into collecting people to get a set of people together at a certain date, which makes it a little more uh Tight because people's schedules aren't flexible that way But if I can mix a match Uh on certain months be quick. Yeah, uh, and it seemed like Generally people like the variety of the episodes. So themes sometimes not themes sometimes It's always good to have a theme just because that helps focus the the people who join us too So they that gives them a little help on figuring out what to talk about um, but yeah, uh There were a couple Not too many of them, but there were a couple people who said I don't listen to them because I just want the news I would say try one If that's the case because it really is just the regular show But instead of one discussion there are four Yeah And there is news at the top of yeah Each other which is something that we decided to add because of the feedback the discussions are news Like we don't we don't have a discussion about solo. That's a good day internet. Yeah, or sandwiches Or Sam Or Sam which is Sam's off camera right now, but So you're licking his butt. No, that's not his butt. That's his stomach It's all just one color for He's he's yeah, he doesn't uh, he's hard to light Uh, yeah, not a lot of reflection black hats. What are you gonna do? All right, um Most of you don't understand the push a t drake question Uh 59.1 percent said I don't listen to Justin. So I don't understand the question You don't have to listen to just 29 percent Well, you'd have to listen to Justin to have heard about it on our show. I guess you could have found out about it Otherwise, you're right, uh, 29 percent were neutral, which is uh, and the beef's over right? I felt like, you know Well, the current beef is at a lull. Yeah, but I don't know if that means it's completely off Or if it's in just kind of a armistice truce phase Another question you wanted to ask roger. Do you want more international guests on the show or is the current mix just right? Uh, a majority of you said just right followed by more, which I assume is being more international guests Uh, but overall It's weighted toward the mix is just right. Yeah, I feel like the attitude is either works for me or It's fine But if you wanted to add a few more I wouldn't complain. Yeah So not like gosh, you guys hurt, you know, I think the last round table we had or gosh Maybe it was a couple ago where it was all our canadian. Yeah, and it was the last one was all australian That's right. That's right. And it was it was interesting because you do When you get enough folks who don't necessarily have the same services that you have in the states or the services are different Better services elsewhere. It's like that's an interesting conversation in itself Um, and I do find that that comes up more and more which helps at least for me It helps me not be too us centric about stories knowing that our guests and our audience are all over the place And it definitely gives us a perspective on things that we don't necessarily appreciate or See immediately because we don't have those specific Contacts to look at it. Like, you know, we don't like you know when we hear someone has amazing fiber broadband in their home We think well, it's amazing. But like near south koreans. It's kind of just all over the place. Yeah. Yeah it's part of my intention to Try to include as many different perspectives on the show as possible And that means different than me I mean, that's why I like having sarin roger. They have different perspectives than I do It's it's funny every once in a while This has just been consistent since I launched the show Somebody will say I don't like this person who's on the show regularly whether it's a guest or a regular contributor Sometimes that person's me But but it always boils down to I don't like it because they don't say things that I agree with and I always write back like Totally respect the feedback. Thank you very much. Uh, that's why I have them That's why we want them like we don't all agree people make assumptions of like Well, you are saying as daily tech news show x y and z and it's like, well, I'm saying x Sarah may be saying why right patrick major may be saying z and roger may be using a totally different alphabet And although I can't think of any circumstance where anybody was, you know Angry the debates can be semi heated and that's cool. Yeah No, exactly. Uh, and and and we want that otherwise it would be really boring if we were all like I think microsoft is good. I do too. Great. Let's move on. You know, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, um More perspectives in multiple ways opinions backgrounds locations, etc I'm very concerned by the response to this next question. Let's hear it Um, the question was pie now or soon. It's almost 50 50 51.4% now Seems low If you could have it now, why do you want it soon? I mean, are you full? What's wrong? Did you just eat maybe you just had pie maybe we should have given an option for that I'm eating pie at the moment so soon because it's already in my mouth. I don't know Uh, dts offers a weekly column on patreon to anybody associated. Do you care? Do you read it? What would make it better? um Skips the news by it's Not currently an associate producer. We're just basically trying to ask like what would you like in it? Is this the same as the hot takes? Yes, that it's the same as the hot takes. Um I like hearing tom's perspective some more of that in any forum Mostly repetitive. I think that's because of the news part of it Only looked at it once. I mean I get the idea that a lot of people either don't read it or didn't know it was there um so I'll put it this way Feedback at daily tech news show dot com if you have an idea of like I would read it if Uh, I would read it if it wasn't on patreon if it was just delivered by a regular email because I don't want to have to deal With all the other things coming from patreon I would read it if it was made up of different stuff I would read it if you came to my house and read it to me as I fall asleep at night Anything feedback at daily tech news show dot com And let us know Within reason we'll accommodate you. Yeah, exactly If you live in alaska, it's gonna be hard for me to tuck you in Just say it just because it's cold I don't do tucking in I would prefer not to tuck you in But She wouldn't like those gravity blankets that are all the rage then Is that all that man? No gravity blankets are extra heavy Oh, because people they're supposed to help you feel secure. I like as long as I'm not too hot I like the feeling of weight hot. It's yeah I read one review of them that said if you like the lead blanket they put on you during an x-ray You'll love gravity blankets. I don't think anybody likes the x-ray blanket I'm just trying not to fry my organ I like it because my dentist used to have the window in their office open all the time So it was always a little chilly. So we've added a layer of warmth That was about it. Was it because like you I like it's like but they're like, oh you had x-rays last You're a six month checker. I'm like, just just have the blanket still I'll risk it Yeah, you don't have to do the x-ray. Just give me the bike. Can I just yeah Covered in One more time Oh, I gotta get some x-rays. All right. Uh, when do you listen to the show? uh 33.9% Listened the day it's released that actually was higher than I expected honestly I expected most people to say the next day Which is 36.6 percent. So it's about a third The day it's released a third the next day 9% catch up on a few at a time And then I made the mistake of allowing people to put in their own answer. I didn't remember this was just Me doing the question wrong. I must have checked a box that said or you can add your own answer Usually the night it's released, but sometime I don't get it until the next morning Was the day it was released, but my podcast queue has gotten longer Usually a mix varies. I like to watch it live on youtube day release. So It sounds like within 24 hours, if not Sooner is the consensus which makes sense to me because it's a daily show and yeah It's you've already got another show So if you if you miss one, you're probably more likely to just pick up I guess if anything the thing I learned from this is more people actually listen to it the same day Uh, then I thought I thought I thought maybe it would tilt towards the next morning Uh, especially eastern time zone people Uh, what do you think of the dts merchandise like roger is modeling here in the dts hat? Have you bought any is there any you'd like to see? Uh, I didn't pre look at these so I bought a t-shirt to help make it look cooler. Uh, do you mean like, um, Uh, like tank tops and they're kind of cool Well cooler. Yeah cooler in the sense of like summery stuff away. We've got t-shirts T-shirts are you know real nice But not oh super heavy not gravity blanket Wait gravity You want a gravity blanket for your next x-ray Uh, if the mug with the blue insides comes back, I would buy it You are not the only person that I've heard that from uh, and I believe we're going to put the old logo Dts mug with the blue inside back in the store And what is it about the blue inside that people I don't know all right too toned Yeah, but but it's too toned now with green. Yeah, you can you can blue looks better than green Maybe that's it. Maybe the green is sort of a yeah Well, if you take it to work Other than the dts logo, you can tell that it's yours Looks nice. You stand out. It's unique Or just you're just like blue and that's cool, too People want free shipping. Um That's probably not gonna happen. Maybe if we start Think with free shipping is you have to have uh enough orders enough volume thinking that's the word I was looking for yeah, uh, and we don't have enough volume So we'll give an option to the spy 10 t-shirts at a time challenge coin. I like that. That's a good idea Oh, I did that for my win. Yeah, we could do that. So so you know how to do that Oh, the the thing is if we would need Unless we want to bankroll it ourselves We would need to have a number of pre-orders in order to make it. Yeah, of course while In order to put the order in like how much roughly do you remember? so the coins came out to So we bought I'm talking like a couple hundred Yeah, you need to buy we bought like a hundred a little over a hundred. All right. That seems doable. It was 400 bucks. Yeah, all right Uh, but you know the price goes down and that also depends on what kind of metals You want to put together if you want to go with the cheapest design. It's a single metal Obviously solid platinum would be would uh, or you could do you could do like to do the EU You can have like an outer ring of one material Uh, like a pound and that would be price. What is that? A dollar? No, it's a tunie. Isn't a tunie in Canada? That's when you said Europe. I was trying to remember the europe one. I thought it was a looney Looney is one And it's see I need you. I need you international people to keep me on my toes. Oh also, um Defrag the seagulls Is being worked on by scott johnson to be a shirt He's gonna make a logo And we'll make a shirt. Yeah, so these are challenge coins and coin pricing Might have changed because I didn't get a free quote So, yeah, how's the board you go? You can buy 50 at $5 or 100 or $3 and that's So if we can get a set number of people to buy into it, then we those are neat. They're great They uh had a friend who entered a visual effects team at their company. They worked on a huge project Oh, and biocast says schwood did remember right? They all got big big coins Uh, so there's another thing if you have an idea of what the challenge coin should be Like what should be on it? Should it be good for something? I don't know. Uh, let us know I like what justin does where he's got his little coins and if you give it to him in person at an event He'll buy you a drink. Um I feel like we would maybe not do that That's kind of you also don't give it like you just present it. Yeah, no, his his were cheaper So you can you would actually surrender it, but these it would be like Well, the whole idea back at least in the military is you just kind of throw it down It's kind of like pogs You can't put it like you don't play a game with it, but it's a challenge coin. It's like, you know, buy Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right What oh, I was good. Yeah. Oh, I already said that feedback at daily technician show.com ideas about challenge coins Okay, what is the one thing that would make dtns better? Uh, we probably asked this pretty much every survey and we get so many of you that say nothing and you guys are awesome I'm glad you like the way it is, but they were always growing. We're always changing and evolving Um, you know, the tarantula thing has been very divisive. I'd like to Let's address that. Yeah, because we've we've had some at least from just some of the emails that we've gotten people saying Please don't do that That's not that's not what's going to make me like happy about the show You figure out something that would you'd be good almost offended like you're you're descending into morning zoo hype Right, right, although, you know, it's not I think we I don't even really remember how that whole triumphant thing We wanted to uh, you wanted to set a no, I know that but I don't remember how it became tarantula Yeah, because it was something you would never wanted willingly do Right. No, but how did tarantula come up? I think you I think yeah, I was like it would be like a spider curling or something horrible And then it kind of turned into a thing and I think some some people were like, oh no I remember we were talking about your trip to astralia. We talked about all the tricky crawlies and you brought up Anyway, we're just being silly Yeah, and I figured it would be an easy enough thing to do because I have a friend Eric who used to keep tarantulas and has other of his friends who keep tarantulas. There was a what? No, he didn't there was a pet store not far from here that had tarantulas I thought oh, maybe I'll just show up there It has turned out to be harder for me to organize a tarantula arm that I thought and it has now become a bigger deal than expected And there's also people saying don't do that. That's not, you know, that doesn't really seem consistent No, and it's not it's not I'm not saying it is I just thought it's a silly thing. It won't hurt anything So I'm probably going to do it anyway. Just because I promised but don't worry We're not going to descend into a carnival like atmosphere fear factor Totally different show. Here's the thing Feedback at daily tech news show com with things you think are appropriate to the show For us to do if we get the one patron more every month because we do want to do something fun That makes people inspired And you know and doesn't cause people to fear things bacon would make detain us better. Thank you zoe for bringing the bacon I as yeah, I as would like to be on more often It's a matter of him answering his email frankly Yeah, he's kind of full-time job. He also just started his new alphabet base show that he mentioned And it was the day he were back from Australia. So a couple of Mondays ago Tuesdays ago And so he's busy But we would love to have him on more regularly lot of people talk about I would like to have chapter markers And I've addressed that before it's it's just something that Takes a lot more time than there are people who want it even though the people want it really want it. So I don't know I haven't given up on the idea But i'm looking for a really efficient way to do it because it really would add like I don't know What do you think roger an hour of time? Yeah, depending on the show. Yeah, which if we were a weekly show I'd be like, okay I guess that may be worth it. But with a new show Especially with as many people are saying we want to watch we want to listen the same day that hour then Kind of knocks it out of the listening Window for some for more people and pushes it to the next day If we were to have chapter markers, we would be sort of like quick hits And then well some people want a discussion for good day internet. Yeah, yeah, which makes sense It does it does I mean the nice thing I guess is that Because we do keep a pretty strict schedule. I mean besides a minute or two It's like we know when detain us starts and when it ends and good day internet, you know There's a little bit more fudging going on there, but It's consistent anyway, you know, if you if you skip ahead Make your own chapter, but I know that's not exactly the solution for everybody. It would be nice to have and then uh Yeah, like Like what would you also do that for the for the youtube video as well? I mean you could but then that's another But that's what I'm saying. Yeah, most people just ask for it for the audio though Uh, I would love it if you would stop talking about earnings and stock prices and finance these sort of stuff We never mentioned stock prices. Well, I never mentioned stock prices These two may have once or twice, but the the idea is we don't care about stock prices earnings. We do mention and and the the the thing that we're feeling around about is When is it important to understand what's going on with that company as a consumer of it to know what its earnings are Which I understand sometimes if where it's like, you know, earnings were up 30 percent Uh, you may like why do I care? But when it gets into and microsoft is Really making a lot of money on azure Which means they're they're starting to focus less on windows. That was a story that was worth following as a consumer So we do try to focus on that um This person person says I do enjoy the philosophical moral political discussions of the impact of tech on society So please keep that side of it up. That's good. I I agree stock prices if we were a financial show There would be a lot more of that information in there I think the only times and it's rare that that ever comes up, you know, if I do headlines or something is if The story is that how wildly the stock, you know Dropped or or grew and that Even then it's usually that volatility that happens around earnings is pretty short lived Yeah, my take on stock prices is they will always be different by the time a lot of people listen to it And so it's not a good it's not it doesn't give you much information Right earnings give you a little more information because it's over spread over a quarter and it says And and to me it's not even the actual like dollar 36 per share. It's the percentage year over year percentage Maybe quarter over quarter percentage that says, oh, they're making more money In devices now or they're making less money in devices or you know, sony's making all their money on chips Don't forget that they don't make as much money on it's a really good way to contextualize the actions of a company Whatever relates to like either product development product push or kind of like branching into What seems to be a newer market or a newer area for them because for example, if it's something that hasn't Uh, brought in a lot of money, but suddenly is and you notice that the company starts investing say more in By streaming videos something something here Well, no key is a great example where they're like they're they're getting rid of why things they're they're moving towards You know really being about patents and infrastructure. So you might expect less fewer products from no key Blackberry is a known blackberry has like been the bit of a pinata Uh for the past, you know half decade and it's you know When you when you contextualize their actions with their earnings, you can kind of understand it's like, okay They're in a position where they need to they're in a maker breaks. They're making money off security It makes sense they're shifting to security Which makes sense that they licensed out the name of tcl Which is making more money out devices and wants to be a bit, you know, etc. It's there So hopefully the way we're doing it will continue to help you understand and we'll we'll keep refining that Uh, and then the last question. Have we told you how much you rock lately? Have we? Let's tell them now. You do you rock you rumble You rumble you rock We appreciate you. Yeah, even criticism It's appreciated Yeah, yeah, I mean, absolutely. Sure I actually I don't know. I mean nobody likes for someone to say Hey, I don't like the way you do this and I'd like it to be done differently because then you say Oh, well, you don't like what I'm doing, but a lot of it is simple solutions. Yeah, I don't know I we're all in this together and it's also good because sometimes we're not aware of things that we do Yeah, uh, and it's it's always helpful to get like a gentle Reminder or a flag just to say hey, did you know, you know, your your hair is Falling over your fingers. Yeah, I'm weird of hair. I am guilty. I want to admit something I am guilty at getting in Disproportionately annoyed when a tech problem is happening on the live stream with Everything that happens at that point because I'm just I hate it when that stuff happens And so I I apologize if I appear prickly both to you and to the people out there when like something's not working And I'm just like, yeah, I know Rar Oh, I hate tech tech issues. That's why I try to keep my Personal system as simple as possible. So there's a few things can go wrong I I mean you guys can't see uh guys and gals can't see what's behind the camera, but as raja and tom can see They you know, there's a lot of daisy chaining of various things going on in my studio. And yeah when something isn't working, it's like Most of the time I know what the problem is Some of the time I do not And it's frustrating because it's like, I know I know It's funny. I want it to be better when it's someone else's issue. It doesn't bother me as much as when it's mine Of course. Yeah, because you feel guilty, you know everybody very good. Naturedly says, oh, have you tried this? What about this and Yes, I thought about that. Yeah And although sometimes someone will say, oh, have you tried this and I'll go All right, so mike is uh one of our advisors has joined us and mike Hey, mike. Um, I can hear mike this way But Is there a way to turn up monitor there that won't cause too much echo? I think it will But let's try. All right Mike go ahead you can go ahead and unmute go ahead He's like, where? How do I unmute? It should be up at the top it'll float up if you go there. All right, then you'll see, uh A microphone icon yeah to be with settings and bandwidth and phone Do I have to unmute him? No, no If uh, if you just move your mouse up mike all the way to the top of the window He said one minute. We're doing to him what I just said annoys me Uh, but yeah, we might have a couple other advisors joining in too and Hopefully we'll be able to have a wide-ranging conversation Excuse me for the sniff Well, I don't understand why if I chose the oh, I know why Yeah, he's gonna choose it there. Well, that shouldn't oh, yeah It's just confused at what the default speaker Yeah, try it now. Can we hear Can you Well, we're still waiting for mike to figure out the unmute, but can we hear ourselves coming back? No, okay. Well, maybe that's good. Maybe maybe it because we're the input it wouldn't play it back So actually this should work as long as we don't get too much echo on him. Okay, cool all right Or if uh teamwork makes the dream work sure does As soon as hangouts will let mike talk And you know mike's Uh, oh look at that. We got big jim. Hey big jim Hello. Oh wait. He froze. What's Oh, so I think we can hear you though Oh now he froze and muted that is the best freeze frame ever So remember what I was saying about tech issues Yeah, how do they work? Well, we you know, we had some with microphones before we started this too And it's like we still do we yeah, it's hopefully everybody here's It was with roger's level and I think his level's been great Well speak to us jim Take two. Yes All right. Now jim how send your good luck to mike I give you good luck mike. I give you the blessings of all that is of the trading community Come out fear demons and behold the power of mike Is it working No Please tech pope. Don't excommunicate me. You did your best I'm gonna do bring him up. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So this is good. How's it going man? Uh, it is crazy. I am home with the kids today. My wife is at work And we're trying to do quiet time with three children, which is always entertaining I'm sorry. I didn't mean to talk to you. No, you're fine. That's why I have the hairpin Tech and trades uh, if you don't recognize big jim james tatcher Yep, and we're working on fine gifts. Uh, big jim just had a um, audio tip for us We put on the show the other day Uh, yeah, we look kind of a report. Yeah Take me a second. It was a tip of audio and audio recording was about the ship breakdowns, right? Yeah Yeah, yeah breakdowns of ships and then we just did an analysis Um over in the diamond club community on patreon or no in juries community on patreon about um the op-ed piece in the washington post today about um trade Trade the trade op-ed piece that was done by all the ambassadors and why what's true and what's not true within that So if you're not in the jury discord, that's another discord that you should probably jump on to Uh, Mike aka gadget chaser says hangouts won't use any of his mics for some reason. Well, you are You you're in good company I've had might need to mike mike issues with hangouts all the time It'll I you know, sometimes it just you got to just bounce back in that happens to me on dts But yeah already have been restart being a whole machine sometimes If you guys want me to give an audio tip I will because I actually have one um I started playing around with the um, and I don't know if it's going to work on iphones because it's a 35 3.5 millimeter jack, but the road Many shotgun mike That you can plug into your phone. It is excellent. It does really really great audio And I actually have to go pitch that to justin Shortly because nice his um, his on the road politics politics politics is Really hard to hear So that would be my recommendation if you want an audio tip, uh, it's I think 50 50 or 60 bucks What's the name of it? It's a little pricey, but it's not bad. It's road rode the road mike Road makes shotgun mics. They make a shotgun mic that is mobile. It's called the road I think and it plugs into the phone Mm-hmm And it it's also got a 3.5 millimeter jack in the back of that so you can plug in your headsets So you can also record and listen at the same time, but you've got that Really nice benefit. Is it usb or what's the connector? No, it's a 3.5 millimeter is the one that I have but I've got an android phone I think they make one specifically for the iphone with the um with the lightning port connector But it's worth it's worth the 50 bucks Uh clea climber in in uh, we didn't get a lot of questions in the boss's slack But clea climber asked speaking of tech issues a few weeks ago an episode was mostly lost You still had a show so congrats. Have you changed anything since then to help in those situations? Just asking because I'm curious. I'm changing a lot of procedures in my business right now um, I think he's talking about Well, the one that I remember was there was one where I wasn't recording Uh, and no, I haven't changed anything because the reason we were able to still have a show Was because the of the redundancy in recording that I had So you one of the reasons that it's nice that we do the hangout stream for the show is it's always a backup recording Uh, and and I was able to get the show that way for that one Uh, that was the one where the I just I just thought I was recording and I wasn't or oh, no It started broadcasting and I wasn't maybe that was it we we thought we were broadcasting and we weren't so I was recording Anyway, there's redundancy built in for that. Was there anything that happened while I was gone that? The only thing that happened while you were gone was my recordings on Three episodes were my audio was a little hot. So I had to I had to tweak some of that by Dropping in the the youtube audio version so it wasn't so clippy Uh, unfortunately for one episode the the good day internet was a little um Trunchy at the top Now, uh, Mike says he's very sorry. He'll try again next time, but he'll say again. Nice talk Roger. Thank you. I bought these at, uh Burlington coat factory for six bucks for a pack in nine The last time I was at Burlington coat factory, uh, which was I used to walk by one in san francisco So I went by quite often and they have food in there now. It's like I thought it was coats Burlington coat factory like you can buy popcorn at the checkout and It almost a little bit more like a Ross It's like a Ross slash tj max But at least the one I used to go to would actually because he also sold like off the rack suits They would tailor it for you too. Yeah, but I just feel like the coat factory part of it I know it's a legacy name, but they have the wide selection of uh, winter coats the summer jackets of win breakers I feel like jim has something to say about this No, the the the Burlington coat factory is actually so my day job for those that don't know I work for totes esoteric corporation and they're actually one of our one of our larger customers when it comes to umbrellas and footwear, um, they do a lot in there the majority of their Layout is still coats though. It's just the periphery of other items that they have in there is pretty big Um, and they're trying to compete really with tj max marmax. That's their big competitor The one thing they don't do well is shoes because because a lot of the the like ross they get a lot of the off season priest uh Stuff from the previous season for department stores So I always go there because most department stores for some reason don't carry my size like shirt-wise like if it's If it fits me this way, it's too baggy. Yeah And if it fits me this way, it's too skinny So they generally they they carry all the odd brand sizes that no one ever buys, but they fit me fine Well, I'm gonna have to go into a Burlington coat factory one of these days Actually Burlington is doing some made-to-order stuff now too. They're not just picking up the remnant stuff They're going after a lot of made-to-order lately um, both Burlington and tj max go after Some exclusive items at least from us. We have some exclusive prints and items that we send to Burlington and tj max just because it's uh, They're uh, oh hi. Hi little girl Both to Burlington and tj max because it's uh specific request I don't know man. I'm skeptical of big coat I the problem I have is most department stores when they stop men's button-down shirts They're usually not to criticize a check or checkerboard or plaid pattern Which I'm kind of over and I would either like a solid Doesn't have to be paisley. I don't need to be apart. Oh, it just got cold here in the shade Roger, but uh I I I I I like something that isn't necessarily a derivative of graph Yeah, but you can plot so many cool things uh So, uh, sir vanti. Oh, sorry dj. Sikani Who writes our your private driver column on daily tech news show dot com? Uh says I have a selfie question I'm just about out of good ideas for the column anything you'd like to read about from the driver perspective I mean, I think a lot of what I would ask is probably what a lot of other people have been asked is Yeah on long trips. How do you You know, what does your playlist look like, you know, what's the podcast slash music? He's talking about ride hailing though. Oh ride hailing. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I thought you meant actually drive. Sure. Sure I would not want to know How do you calculate vehicle maintenance? Into your overhead Pass like is it just like every oil change or do you do like the like, you know over five years? I need to buy new tires. I need to you know, I need to flush the coolant Uh, you know any you know anything like that because I've always wondered Because I remember I had a friend that used to work in the the cab business at least in san francisco and You know the drivers least Leased the car along with the medallion So the cab company would take their the cars and oftentimes they would do because they're all crown vix They would do the frame off Where they take the body off the chassis of the of the car and then they would do any high maintenance stuff After like 10 years or something. So we weld cracks and stuff like that. And I've always wondered Especially for what ride hailing because that's coming out of your own pocket. Most people don't necessarily have The funds to cover that so I'm just wondering how that works out in the bigger scheme of what you take in Versus what you need to to put out in order to maintain your car. Yeah, that's a good one Uh, I would say too anytime you've done the tips for riders stuff That's great. I think you can even revisit those from time to time and they get updated As the services change how they work the tips will change Those are great Uh, and I I think even just like tails from the front seat And like any any stories you have they don't even have to be reset They could be from you know long back change the name is to protect the innocent etc People love to hear that like you won't believe this crazy ride that I gave one time Actually, what's really nice person that one thing I want to know is what do you how do you deal with the situation? What do you feel maybe It's a little unsafe like You know, do you just tell somebody get out or well uber's got the new 911 button for riders And said that they will add something similar for drivers because of course these things go both ways But it's not necessarily an emergency situation, but you just get that Well, you know, I was This was not the yesterday, but I don't know in the last couple of months I was going into hollywood And I was taking an uber for I don't know whatever reason I wasn't driving And about halfway there I just felt like the driver was driving erratically. He didn't seem drunk or you know, he wasn't being rude to me But there was something inside where I was like, I'm just gonna get out I'm gonna get out right here on the corner and I'm gonna get another uber, which I did listen to that little voice Yeah, and it's like who knows maybe it was all in my head, but I think yeah, you just you know, you're riding with strangers You gotta gotta have that gut instinct going on. This wasn't a rye late handling service. This was a good old fashioned taxi But I remember coming out to see that it was like 130 and I did get a cab home I'm pouring rain the guy's driving and they get something on her. I was like, dude, is your headlights on? I go selling like turn you might want your windshield wipers on turn on your headlights dark is all giggling. It's like The one the only really like actually bad experience. I had this was also an uber. It's not ubers fault It was just this particular driver But he did it. This is back in san francisco and anybody who's driven around in san francisco You know, it's a special skill, you know, that's one way street and everybody's crazy city drives you Yeah, the city drives you and he had kind of taken a couple of like weird turns where I'm like, this is the one way You can't go down the street, you know, and this is long enough ago that The gps for drivers was lacking. They were trying to figure things out a lot more back in the day But at one point And I he I it was an address to go somewhere in san francisco at one point I'm kind of on my phone and I look up and we're on the bay bridge. Maybe we're going to oakland And you're like not where I was like, that's yeah, we just missed the last turnoff So now we're going to oaklands because we're on bridge and you know, it's one of those things I think he was just He wasn't ready. He wasn't ready to drive in the bay area Again, wasn't mean though. Yeah, and that's that's what the The the professional drivers complain about is like the these folks aren't certified. They're not trained, you know And you don't know what you're going to get well It was sort of the question I I'm sure it was on good day internet recently where we talked about the idea of like When you have technology For example, it's certain kind of calculator or smartwatch and you know, how much do kids really have to memorize stuff? We were talking about school exams and I feel the same way about gps in a car is It's so good now that there's not a huge reason for me to like mentally remember city layouts as much as I used to I still like to though. I that's true. That's true London Because you can anticipate a lot of things. Yeah and I think like My gps gave me the wrong turn trying to get over here I'm getting and it's like what it literally told me even before I was close enough because there was another fork to stay Stayed left of the fork. Say wait, this is a five if I do that, but Tell me to stay the left of work. Say I was like fine. I say it and I was like, no, you get off get back Right on 34 and this is like no That's that's that's true. London too because in London, um, at least from What late Nate Langston told us at one point is that, you know, the cabbies still have to memorize The entire london area before they're allowed to even drive a London taxi cab regardless of whether they have a gps in the unit or not because What happens if the gps breaks down? Yeah, no the black cab guys. They have to take a test, right? Yeah Yeah, it's a big test from what I've heard They have to they have to start on a suitor and they have to be able to navigate All these direct they're given like a list of places they need to be able to get to And by the way, DJ Sakane who writes the your private driver column on dtns Uh has a commercial license. We'd like to point that out. You know using knows not everybody does Uh, also, uh, servantes was asking about the uh picture frame to your right there. So my my uh Guinness lady She I don't know what to do with her I I was gonna actually put it in the background of my regular dtns. Yeah, this isn't a pillow. It's actually a It's actually a piece of art that I got in ireland a really long time ago, which I like But I don't know lady drinking beer I don't know if it's a set worthy thing. So it's just over here right now If you have a great idea for what I should do with it. Let me know Yeah Well, I'm about ready for some sandwiches. Me too So who wants to watch us eat sandwiches? No, I'm just kidding. I'm not gonna do that. Uh, we are a sandwich Do you have a sandwich? Uh, I can make one We have to go. I mean my kitchen. I can go make one. I mean, yeah, let's all after the hangout is over It's all individually go and have a communal sandwich across the world. Yeah, slack of said photo. Yeah Uh, we are down three patrons over last month right now, uh, which is better than it was yesterday already So I promise I won't Do another spider, uh, but we will we will take your ideas and come up with something fun Point of even mentioning that is to thank everybody who continues to keep us going at patreon.com Slash dtns or by supporting us on paypal. We have you know a good Several dozen of you who just want to donate directly that way It's super appreciated and it just goes in a fund to pile up and do things like ces trips and stuff like that As does our store anything that comes in from the store goes into that that same pile So when you buy a hat when you buy a t-shirt you're you're helping us be able to save up to do something else fun Uh, eventually if we can get this thing this machine cranked up enough I'd like to be able to just say like we're gonna go all three of us and do the show in Omaha Or do the show in montreal or stuff like that That's that's something I'd love to do someday. So anyway, all of that to say thank you very much If we go to Omaha, I want to meet Warren button Is that where he lives? Isn't that what they call him the the oracle or the city do they call him something of Omaha? But I just didn't figure he lived there now But I don't know why She certainly could you should start at the buffet The Warren And that's the sign that we're done. Uh, thank you Jim for joining us And uh, you know, we'll do and thanks for all your contributions, man All right, you guys have a great time and all patients remember It doesn't hurt to go tell somebody you think might already know about it because they probably don't so get more in here Good words of advice. Yeah. Uh, thanks again to mike. I'm sorry. We didn't get the mike working for mike Which I just realized is rather Mike's Mike Yeah, uh, we'll figure maybe we'll figure that out for next time. Uh, also, uh PJC Reese and e-barch Uh, I don't know if it was my fault, uh, but they had said they wanted to join and I sent them the link and they never joined So maybe just life got in the way, uh, but thank you for being willing to and again If you support us at the 30 dollar a month level You get free digital art from len and you get to help pick one of the topics for the round table And you get a chance to join in on the quarterly hangout like jim just did Uh, thanks everybody for watching. I guess we'll have to run over there and hit the uh, the broadcast button. That's fine I can do that. We'll see you next time. See you next time. Thanks for joining us on the Mike