 Welcome to the breakfast and plus CV Africa time for all of the press as always we will take you through the pages of a national Daily's front pages to be precise. We have Chris Kinde one do who joins the Conversation I like to set up with the Guardian newspaper this morning. Let's look at the big stories on the Guardian newspaper the boat caption says fuels Cursity panic buying and leaguers as neto threatened strike artificial scarcity caused by recall of dirty petrol source claims and Not to to withdraw college services over diesel price Operation cost these are the riders underneath the boat caption federal government received two million doses of Johnson and Johnson vaccines from the EU as and CDC confirms 36 new infections IPOP RFMs April deadline for ban of goat meat and South is what's going to happen Probably would just eat fish. Some people say meat is not very healthy But let's see how that pans out away from that airline sick review of 200,000 COVID-19 test protocol per traveler That's also what you find Niger to spend 92 percent of 2022 revenue on debt servicing international monetary fund Projects is quoted on that and you also have federal government will bring Igbo hold back to Nigeria after Prosecution in Bene says Malami. That's the attorney general of the Federation. That's the much we can take on the Guardian this morning We'll go straight to the punch in newspaper with the following headlines at the front page With the kicker portal breakdown and the headline NIMC telcos meet again Chinese Nigerians battle faults Subscribers remain stranded the following riders and I in verification problems affecting other agencies downtime enters seventh day Chinese Indian manufacturers join Galaxy backbone in Marathon repair sessions and jam rules out postponement of 2022 UTME registration deadline amidst hitches and I have pictures of Some petrol stations that were closed and some Nigerians are queuing to buy petrol some even with Jerica and so you can see black market operators as well with their hose in hand Legos filling station shot as queues possessed in Abuja others at the top of that front page GT co completes acquisition of funds management Pension firms details on page 21 San Ucid in eyes presidential bid says Nigeria sinking deeper in 2023 reps probe 45 million accounts without BVN with 1.2 trillion era deposit what will happen to that money We're set for indefinite strike federal government dribbling us says as we're set for indefinite strike federal government dribbling us says Asu Still with the punch Buhari won't sign electoral bill if amended For selfish interests Malami Saying that and of course he was touted as being the one to give the president the advice on whether to sign the bill Or not to sign that bill Buhari won't sign electoral bill if amended for selfish interest Another one remove Phil subsidy official exchange rate IMF urges FG remove Phil subsidy official exchange rate IMF urges FG And at the bottom of that front page the following headlines all Platform explosion two more bodies recovered from wreckage really sad on though AMC doctors tackle CMD over retirement and Panels visit or Romani defense prosecution or defense prosecution clash over evidence father weeps testifies February 14 and Presidency I want to stop Nigeria from disintegration says Tambua Widow faces Imprisonment for cutting house helps buddy with razor on though keeps children and finally we came McCarthy state grounds for PDP's victory in 2023 Let's move away from the punch you super and check out the nation petrol panic in Lagos and a butcher. It's a bold caption on the nation Newspaper and not to threaten strike over costs No scarcity of product says NMPC. I am of course for fiscal reforms and that rise Subsidy court I Am of course for fiscal reforms that raise subsidy court is what you also find on the nation forget president if there's no unity we K1's the People's Democratic Party and You have NFF appoints our money K Eagles chief coach GTCO acquires investment one pension Manages and they're just before we move away from the nation newspaper opposition on Igbo Ho Kano Abia carry by Malami and that's it on the nation newspaper this morning moving over to the Vanga newspaper The following headlines a big one actually a nation's mood will decide our presidential candidate With the following writers says PDP sauce at North only ruled for two years during PDP's rain zoning nutty issue Will cross the river when we get to the bridge PDP leader and confirmation of gumo's designer commissioner cool against democracy PDP 2023 Nigeria living on extra times a new see that's a quite a statement The top of that front page is strike our NEC will decide Says also the chaos who president our Adulteration responsible for Fios Kesty investigation that 2023 Nigeria is bleeding PDP needs to take over power From a PC wiki and Catholic bishops kick against frequent borings Sit at home more headlines from the Vanga newspaper 2022 UTI me Slush direct entry will decide or introduce self-service registration platform in Lagos and Abuja says jump and bandits kill 44 villagers in Nigeria say those are some stories coming on the front page of the Vanga newspaper would like to now introduce our Guest who is a chanted mediator and consulate Chris Cain day will one do good morning to you Good morning. Thanks for having me this morning. All right. Thanks for joining us Let's start with the first story on the PDP that's coming on the front page of the Vanga newspaper the PDP saying that they The nation's mode will decide what the choice of their presidential candidate will be in other words as far as the Zoning principle is concerned. They have not yet made up their minds. What do you say to this? Well, we have been so consistent with that in the past few months and they've not come out to fully say where the Dependable swing when it comes to expression candidates. Don't forget that it had this Convention late last year. We are not officers of the party that acted and and the Championship of the party was onto the north central, which is why Sinatra you is currently the the national chairman of PDP and you also have other national officers spread across various political zones in Nigeria, but it is not just that in We are the presidential candidate from Phyllis and from some of what is what some of the Leaders of the party have been saying it seems that the PDP is going to throw is a presidential tickets Open to everyone. So that's that has not been determined until they come out to it Whatever is their mandate or what they decide then For Nigerians to decide whether to go for a party or not that has been this climate that Does need for the PDP to zone is presidential ticket to the south So it's out Because for whatever reason, but there's also been that From those opposing that they will also say that well, yes, we have a presidential candidates Presently from the north with a PC, but if you look at The PDP since 1999 you've had them Two presidential candidates from the south and only one even the one that came from the north Last I just barely two years and I was here so that it is OPC You guess that that presidential ticket is on to the to the north as the thing that's for me is not that you're not there I think that they should be able to put their house together because APC says also having some crisis And they're likely to be able to decide where they want to zone their presidential ticket The better and it will be left on the internet as well, but I said that candidate Both parties are having a similar, you know You know Procedural process, you know playing it cool and Not putting too much out for now as to what are they going to go the way of zoning or not? You know some statements were made about even the APC Zoning its its presidency to the south and my Malabuni has to come out and say no We've not yet made a decision. Oh, I think it was a panel daughter who said so and What do you think will be the factors when they when the PDP talks about the mood of the nation? What mood are they talking about? What would be the factors that will because I mean the mood could be anything The Northlands in the party will always not candidates of not an extraction like a tickle Boba Boba Karen Co May want to still press for for that that opportunity So so what mood do you think they're talking about that may determine or will determine Whether they go ahead with zoning the presidency to the South as pair the North South zoning arrangement You know when politicians talk on both sides of their mouths. It's always very difficult for you to believe a politician when it talks The position can just tell you good morning Goofy and you just when you're in the room you just go out only to realize that it's like the end of the night So I'll see you take your time, right? Yes It's very difficult to be politicians and it would be politics if try Nigerians And it can change within 24 hours We'll talk about the mood that the mood are talking about is mood of Nigerians One and to decide whether they actually meet Somebody from the South or from somebody from the North then also Looking at the performance of the current government of APC which in the past seven years have been Led by somebody from the nuts and I just happy with the way a not an hour or Presidents of Present of the APC presenting the APC have been able to galvanize Nigerians, be able to push Nigerians and be able to Harness most of the promises that they made So those are kind of then within the the political party also of PDP There'll be intrigue, there'll be power show, there'll be power puzzle here and there What is coming to the South? They get it from if they decide to say for a PDP candidate from the North as presidential What of the vice president? What will he come from? Will he come from the South-South? Will he come from the South-West? Will he come from the South East? So those are the major debate That we don't forget that they have serious Gladiate or somebody Well, the governor has already declared that he wants to run The former senior president and he has declared is from the South-East and some other Candidates also should be interest and somebody you are looking forward to Someone like B2B and the rest and we take a match from few days to say that He has never agreed to be the vice-president to any party that is also going for the party So those are the interests and those are the things we can talk about Not always take these politicians for their top and you take a half on that and you give a point inside Let's also look at the Guardian Newsweek for this morning and the banner caption there reads fuel scarcity panic buying in liggers and Some other parts of the country or probably might also have witness the panic buying up until this moment as we speak I mean there's a lot that's happening the cues of actually return The big question a lot of person are asking is what what is really going on because a lot of people cannot really tell and Understand what we have the cues back. Why do we have fuel scarcity? Could he be you know? Artificial scarcity the spin course that has because you have a feeling stations trying to hold the product But we like to share your thoughts on that sincerely, I don't know for now apart from the Information that have been pushed up by the NMPC that don't need to panic buying what happened now I'm a member of the NMPC media Media editors And we are the the same information to senior editors The industry from me knows what happens if it doesn't answer the statement the last I Reformed that there's no need for panic gain and the rest of the bet Is neither here then that left room for rumors if you have great if you own your baby I'm sure on your was a few few hours ago You've laid also so information come in some say what that was that or trade if well this and that and that was why The marketers have refused to buy and sell They're not to if you look also the page of all of this but not to is also the national station of low transport Yes, who knows exactly Say they are going on strike, but what performance is that despite the denier by any that has no need for That's what they bring if you go to the NMPC Area in a budget that is a first station directly opposite NMPC and you see the long queue of well that has been on for weeks now So even if they are not saying that it is enough where So I'm sure the GMD of NMPC for his window where he sit at the top of Seize those cues around the central area in our budget I said I said I think question sure Directly opposite the NMPC and you see the long queue of well, so who's the city is like the ostrich are just He said the right in the sun and leave body exposed That's something that I've been saying. Oh, that is a Well, we move the subsidy and rest of them I don't forget that the winners need to have to say that So since they have come to say that they are going to be a revised budget of Central National Center and a living issue of subsidy till 22 to the next government coming in in 2022 So they need to come out clean and turn that just what's up if you get to the The rules within Lagos every if you are coming to all from the toll gate now heading towards the Dodmian land You see long queue of West and traffic everywhere So this has been happening in Abuja for weeks now It just started in Lagos few days ago and there's doesn't seem to be any solution and nobody's telling me what is happening My guess is they're asking me again. I don't know what is that man. I don't All right quite quite interesting. Let's say with the with the Vanganae super and look at a statement that Sanusi Lamedo for my mayor of Canon for my governor of central bank of Nigeria has made Two papers coding differently But I would like to go with or I would like us to go with the headline on the front page of the Vanganae super where he says 2023 Nigeria is living on extra time and is Nigeria indeed living living on extra time as Sanusi says Well, I Love off a ball. I remember what does happen after? Yes We are sitting that lady Jim and at the end of that much The way to do extra time and extra time in football also means that is anybody's game Because after that time that you go to penalties and it's not the best thing that means at times when it comes to So what I'm saying is that we are particularly living on extra time The elasticity of the minds of ninjas made up Ninjas have been pushed to the wall and quite this is just my just something I just exploded and it's a fact We're coming from Sanusi. I want to believe him is a is a total economist But I wouldn't forget also the rule that sounds simply in 2015 or 2014 2015 Breaking in discord and I knew how he vilified the former president. Good luck. Jonathan. Even when he was set governor of central bank all that he said about Good luck Jonathan and rest of them which to a large extent was our from certain people's opinion into accepting president We are in the best seven years down the line. He's coming again to say this So that's what I've been to one of these answers to tell us that we're having issues We're having serious problem in Nigeria. We have the economy problem. We're having it's good problem We are having insecurely the question of insecurity dead Just recently We had a China have used to give us mollusks and rest of them So it is a misgrain of salt and then Need to know she said to tell us that Nigeria is not getting it right But I hope that this government will be able to do it because they have barely one yet And history we join them but what about a thought I would have been good to deliver on the promises that met in Nigeria's in 2015 and Okay, so let's also look at the garden newspaper where Nigeria to spend twenty twenty two percent of The twenty twenty two budget on debt servicing How does this make you feel as an Nigerian? I don't think you should be expect me to be happy. My sister I'm talking about you. Now we're using about 79 cents of our foreign is in steps, but I'm sure you are aware of that So if you're talking about 20 20 stage 22 percent of a budget Well, if correctly, I'm doing about 80 percent and 20 to 20 percent What it means is that most of the things that we're supposed to do within the budget cannot be especially capital Projects because that is the key to the economy if you cannot be The way our budget is you see that we we don't get the we don't get small Capital projects you see that we just suited to pay salaries a money man Takeoff office and the rest of them. I have to do that for capital project Which is where we are going want to go to to construct three we are going to construct second Ninja bridge Going to control the control through that point Become a brother and brother and he was boring was a sorrow and that is where it is situation Which is why you can see what I am a came out if you want to be headlights you read one of the headlight We are I am a force given a certain conditions this we need to do and the rest of them because you have to rely on them They will not tell you to go remove subsidy The value your Naira do this and do that is it is to the detriment of Nigeria economy I will continue to seek out and I've already said is that on to a big with the diversified economy I will stop depending on just one soon Which is all you find ourselves where we are by now which we do so much the government to those we are I don't know the number you told us that When it comes to production of rice we went to a weekend heat some bags of rice on Planks and rest of them are telling me Even though that even countries that are using rice more than us don't see them doing that. How do they dismantle the pyramid? They dismantle it now. Are you not aware? So who are we deceiving? We cannot even feed ourself We're not telling people that are we have so much we are so sufficiently Prices of rice have gone up. Now since that pyramid came up is price of about 35,000 Naira and more than what it was before they made the pyramids So who is this is so we need to do the need for and make sure that We do the right thing. I don't know whether we have an effective economy team and that has always been a problem We don't have any economy. We have Nigeria's who can do the job But I would give them the opportunity to do it. We've done it in the past. Okoji Walaik was there Obviously with the The current Present of Africa development back was the adult in those region and who saw what they did even bring the passenger Oh If you look at our standard then as it is present What we're paying to be paid The interest is even far higher than even the debt itself and that is the situation for us it All right, thank you very much Chris I want to let's look at the the Problem of of banditry in the northern part of Nigeria. Of course, I'll grab the Nassay Rufa at some time Recently gave a statistic Irrigated a number of people have been killed, you know in in Kaduna State alone Through a banditry or because of boundary but today on the front page of the vanguard newspaper go back to that paper It says bandit scale 44 villagers in Niger state and even if it's one It's a huge number, but it seems these days We're becoming our mind is because our brains and minds our eyes are we're becoming used to these stories and you know It's easy to just read it and just move on to the next page But this is really worrying 44 Villages killed in Niger said I'm sure yesterday. There was another headline of people being killed by bandits What I'm not getting used to it. I used to read if you say you're getting used to it is the Presumption we are used to it because you just look at number of people keep this this become numbers We are counting on numbers now. We are not looking at it from the human and good that these are human beings Whose lives are being wasted by terrorists for no good reasons and The president The next coming the coming administration. He has done seven years going to eight years in last And if I've not been able to secure Nigeria's for seven years, then how can we do that in just within one year and the primary responsibility every Shrine in chapter two of the night night night constitution Is the safety of life and property of the citizen and any government that face to do that is if It's a fake government. So if you use that as an Government is totally failure when it comes to the issue of them security and the security and the government From this back to me said that they have a list of 96 people Behind funding terror before that we've had about 400 Nobody has been brought book or to recruit to go this route. I'm making it seems that this is the norm Rather than the exception that this is what we're great. It's quite unfortunate And let me tell you coffee. It is that you have to be reported about 40 I can tell you for every 40 that was brought in another 40 double 40 or people 40 must have been killed I'm not captured by the by the media and that is how the role and we don't seem to care and don't say to Bother Okay, so let's also share your thoughts it dominated part of the people's this morning The Guardian newspaper the nation the issue of Sunday ball Well, according to the attorney general of the Federation the law would actually have to take its cost Now, I'm sure that you're also in the know that Ben is going to detain Sunday for another six months and The government in Nigeria saying when the law tickets cost in Ben a Republic He would also be faced with his own charges here in Nigeria. I'd like to share your thoughts on that Well, it's a legal issue just like that up in the camp the court to take is the cause But if I what remains for me, what is Sunday will be charged for in the Republic? Did you commit any crime? The Republic did you kill anybody in Ben a Republic did I thought anybody in Ben a Republic? It was using Republic as a transits round Document I Said they said that he bought a certain document and post but which is trying to you to To get to Germany, but if you look at it, I don't know the I don't know much about Then the law I know that of Nigeria So even if I committed that and is why is he going to take over one year now for them to be able to try him And you want to center him to center and like if I do I have this tradition treaty with Ben a Republic It'll be hold on India to ask that it will be a brought back to Nigeria to face charges if there is any but I What is going on now is political when you're keeping somebody in jail for another six months without riot That is in self-inflicted on his fundamental human right, but and I think that I think I should be fighting for that Irrespective of whatever if The fact that who is in Nigeria is the more is Who gets the best of Judgment if he's an American Americans We make sure that their cities the irrespective of whatever the crime he must have committed get the best of Judgment, but what are we doing? We are sitting back. Okay. Let us wait for what the public is do after that We're going to bring it back to you. That is not a way to go Which is why my Nigerians are not patriotic because any we see Nigerians being killed Nigerian girl was killed recently in one of the West African court. I hope remember in one of the jail She was killed and brought back to Nigeria so many Nigerians have lost their lives in South Africa Some have been killed in the other parts of the world and what has been the reaction of For me irrespective of whatever the crime that he voted I think he is the best of legal representation so that we can get that And if there is need to bring people back to Nigeria to first try then all well and good But you shouldn't be just throwing away throwing the baby with the bad water and just keeping ourself and But Kristen went do I mean it's it's a question that I'm hoping that Someone would answer eventually and I'm hoping that you give answers to it. They The phrase or the postulation that says that you are innocent until being proven guilty by cut off competence jurisdiction Is this not a universal concept? Is it limited to a particular crime? No, this is a universal concept even the UN Charter of my right I'm able to take care of that and say that you are as innocent as anything until you are convicted So they are only they are less they are accused He is an accused person allegedly To have been involved in certain infractions in the Republic Even if he has as he's done in other person If Igbo is able to claim that his human right is being violated in his country He can see for asylum in in the Republic He can if he gets if I was going to Germany if he gets to jam he can seek asylum And the government of Germany or whatever look at the merits of his Application I'm able to grant him a misty whether we like it or not Igbo who as far as is concerned They deserve the the status of a refugee whether you like it or not His house was evaded by security agencies some of its family members This thing we are here. He was accused of Committing certain crimes and the rest of them police. They said he was invited and rest of them getting killed and rest of the Yes, if he's accused of certain Crime against the state. Yes, he can stand trial. But the way it is as Present as it were I continue to say that the Niger government should be more involved in the issue First and foremost that this is in Nigeria and all his necessary rights must be well protected in a foreign country Then you can ask for his tradition and get him tried here And if the Benin government feels that he has committed an accreditation We try to try actually last more than three months. Why is it last global one? You're going to another six more than the standard that in itself is For the mental human right issue. We should not be allowed to stand Okay You know the the the for the mental rights you're talking about Some could argue He's he's a waiting trial or rather he's he's um Undergoing a trial even though he's been remanded in prison and it's taking quite a long time In for him to to for this to be sorted out. But the trial is ongoing um, I mean We have several persons in Nigeria who are In jail are waiting trial. They've not even begun their trial yet They simply are waiting trial because they don't have probably a lawyer or here There's no vehicle to take them to court or someone I just forgotten about the case maybe from the DPP or something Maybe the file has been sent to the director of public prosecution is yet to be treated because of the Volume of files that are being sent there on a daily basis. Um, should we be baby calling is a human rights case if The legal process is ongoing to determine whether he's guilty or not of the charges against him and his wife namely forging uh, uh, Benin knees passport Yes, the administration of criminal justice, uh, Nigeria is a long route. Uh, it's not easy as you know So many things come to play, uh Don't also forget that you have to provide evidence Before somebody can only prosecute that is one But the question you ask yourself why I continue to turn me to my rights is Why did um Sunday who live Nigeria? Why was he going to uh, the jammy? Why do you have to sneak out through the back door? Um to find himself in then, uh, trying to make his way to jammy Is because he felt that is fundamental human right to be in print upon and that there was an attempt on his life And he was to be killed. It simply happened to Namdika. Don't forget that. So just read this house And you almost got him killed before you go to sneak out and find yourself Um in uk wherever I find yourself and he was picked up in Kenya. So, um talking from that angle I see this as more Yeah The criminality only make cannot be I mean are you saying that that if if you are um Refugee or you're a prisoner You are an asylum seeker Or you're fleeing, you know, human rights abuse in your country gives you a right to potentially Break the laws of another country No, I didn't say that that's what it's called prisoners of conscience Coffee. I'm sure you know that very well So if for any reason and I find my way in the station that for whatever reason the dss Going after me and they want to pick me up or want to kill me or God forbid And I'll be able to see that my life is in danger I have the right to be able to find my way to sneak out of Nigeria and find a safer place And that in itself would become an issue. Why do you think there's so many people sick asylum across the state? Not this one that go this bed bread and butter bread and butter Kind of asylum seekers Nigerians are going to also part of the world and claiming to be I'm talking of silo's persecution and rest of Don't forget that some of his Guys were killed don't forget that his wife over arrested also and kept With jss for a long time. Don't forget. I was a particular guy that say they say was a sabali that comes seeming to be good turning to car Or turning to to seek out and rest of they was arrested. So We need to be religious and rest of the show before we do the human That is my personal opinion. Anybody can have a contrary opinion, but my own thinking is that Nigeria's wherever they are If we find our side they find themselves outside this country and we see them being persecuted in another country and Despite the fact that yes, they violated We look at the next six treaties between us and those countries and find a way of bringing There's something that there's a photo we have treaties with that if you're in prison Like I think in dubai and uk or some even Nigeria is sentenced Is sent to prison in uk or thereabouts? We have a treaty that said that we can that person that can be protracted to Nigeria and who come to Nigeria as and Get himself in jail and Yeah Are we not are we not expecting too much of the federal government of Nigeria? I'm not trying to you know insinuate or I'm not trying to conjecture here But um based off of your answer and your your your your The demand of the federal government to to do something about this man's situation bringing back To Nigeria quickly. Are we not expecting too much bearing in mind the fact that uh, And it will hold behind bars or in In custody let's call it that in in in koto new and will be one less issue for The government federal government to worry about bearing in mind his his influence and leadership of Secessionist agitation in the southwestern part of Nigeria Is it isn't isn't is it wouldn't the federal authorities is sleeping easily or have time for other things with him in behind bars? I've found for the agitation. So if let me ask you how many people Do who kill has it killed anyone has anybody did I link to any death? To go home The analysis did was when when he says who are being killed at the brapa, you know your stings by frula Yes, men and rest of them we saw pictures of people that were in and they went there and said that you know this cannot continue Then he continues agitation agitation is another way of of expressing yourself It is enshrined in the constitution. You can demonstrate You can state in as much as you don't go out of your way to be able to do anything criminal in In spain currently in baselona the people of baselona are still calling Uh, I still want to leave spain. Are you not aware of that? But if you if you were a buhari or if you were malami Would you be be worried and be pressing the same? We need to get this guy out as a Nigerian We need to make sure that he's rights are protected quickly. Will you be losing sleep over this all you be saying? Well, let's let's see what the Beninese, you know, legal procedure will come up with we'll keep monitoring and watching it, you know What would you be doing if you were a buhari or malami? I'm not worried. I'm not malami. I'm christian All right Let's let's also quickly check out this one It still has to do with the issue of agitation and then you have the ipop reaffirming april as a deadline for The ban of cow mits in the southeast. I mean A lot of people have actually queried the pattern Like you have rightly mentioned It's okay for people to protest and express The art consent and it's all right for people to say we want a different country acts for referendum If you want to say but you know with this move that you have the ipop pushing for saying we're going to band This is we're still Nigerians now. I mean you have all the paths of the country Transacting or who are very, you know prominent in this kind of business and you're saying you're going to have some restrict I don't know how that's going to happen. But let's share your thoughts on it I'm a new woman If you ask me personally, I may have a different opinion Which I call I don't say the reason why cow mits depend From the southeast my problem is not cow The cow is not my problem as an equal man My problem is to be my people to be economically empowered My problem is to my people to be politically empowered My problem is able to find myself in the mainstream of Nigerian Nigerian states where I have equal opportunities with somebody from canoe from bono from casino Or any part of the country to rise to the highest position in the land If I'm found to be capable that to me is the problem. So Don't forget also that a few days ago The catechus belong to a new woman was killed by a pop. Are you not aware? So what are we talking about that even though that the cow belongs to an equal man So for me agitation comes in different form I have always been that we can be able to have a more political approach to the issue of marginalization in the south east But resulting to violence and all sorts of Practice to me does not resonate with me. I believe in the language I believe in most of the things that someone like namdegandu is agitating against which is the marginalization of South-easterners of which and one of them But we because we like because of that creep put the economic life of the people of sartis by asking that on every monday that nobody comes up I'll be the last person to support that so Issue of not allowing cars to come Tomorrow if the not an asset that anything commit to sartis should not cross into the north what happens That is not the way to go. I think that more better way and better pressure Approach these issues than just going to write some of these things that Our people are doing interesting. Chris Kennedy wonder why I'm you you cited that example Reminded us of the incident in enugu state where cows were and and a herdsman was killed and And this herdsman was said to be have been a member of that community in enugu for a while and the cows belong to A family and a chief in that community A friend of mine or someone I know rather who is a herdsman from Delta state is an urubu man Also says that a lot of cows we've seen the southern part of Nigeria Owned by our brothers and sisters from this part of the country. We'll keep Watching that space. Ah, so we're still in the news and when Nigerians I'm sure would have expected that this this issue regarding The the gray areas that are yet to be resolved That have led us to to go on strike in the past will be resolved with the meetings The plethora of meetings back and forth between the ministry of labor and productivity and us who And we're hearing them talk of strike again. It recently declared Monday What they call I think a sit at home if I'm not mistaken and today on the front page of the of the guardian of Vanguard newspaper. They are saying that their national executive council committee Will decide on whether they're going to go on strike That's what also the K the asu president is saying. Why are we still here? Why are we still at this point? Chris candy wonder Well, first of all, which has been a sweaty day for me and say how I'm sweating like a christmas good Is uh, but uh on the most useless Is rather unfortunate. We have to go to the crowds The god meant sign an agreement with asu 10 months ago And today they've not been able to make those agreements And that has always been the issue. So if I also decide to go on strike now Will you blame asu? You cannot sign an agreement with an a with a group of individuals. Are you lending? I don't you want to do When I'm taking up job with plus if you had an agreement you are giving a letter Uh of employment in that letter of employment your salary was stated how much we paid every month If plus to be tomorrow when instead of pay you One then a one then naira start to pay you for the naira. Will you be happy? That's a related you can see my sister smile. That's a situation So you don't I think the hundred naira is what god got us a bit of worried, but it's okay. I think you understand what you're saying I just need that Okay, let me say you are you are agreed to pay you five million monthly. I'm sure you'll be very happy Yes Yes And what do you expect them to do and the given reason why you need to do the And this is not the first time that you know this agreement Don't forget that was the situation where they also agree with asu And they gave series and series of notices and nobody listened to that and they went to start for close to one year We lost one full station and that was the problem and I'm only say this let me put this On to be able to make sure that most of our leaders of police school It's our police leaders have their children in nigerian schools Universities you make it composite if you're going to become a minister you're going to sign this that your children must attend Um, uh, no private investors public universities if you're going to be a senator same thing Until they start doing that you will come to see find ourselves where we are and that is the truth Yeah, it's sort of to interrupt you You mentioned but quickly just a quick follow-up question Last week the president hosted the inter religious advisory council You had the sultan of sakkotu who's the leader of the northern, you know The the muslims in the country the president of of khan, you know leader of christians community They went to see the president and he hosted them at the asu rock villa at the presidential chambers And he he said that the he as president and the federal government is committed to To solving the asu impasse and created raised a committee another committee to look into this You know, so if the president has recently since what why are we still having? You know, is it that? That was just the hot air or a political statement or something made just to for the moment by mr president Yes, it is because it's just like so many other promises that president needs to draw since 2015 So most often they're not When the president speaking now people are they taking seriously and that should be a president speaks president What you call presidential? It was a statement a statement comes from a president that is the final And the whole world will be able to hold into that But look at what is happening is the president not aware that as soon yesterday Today is a Tuesday. Yes. Yesterday as soon went on a lecture free Day to sensitize members of the asu on the needs for them to start galvanizing Towards a model of all Strike is the president not aware. Has he called the minister of labor? Has he called the minister of education? Just by telling the religious leaders is not enough. You know what to do The president should invite minister of education should we have invite? Minister of labor should invite the attorney general of the of the federation and also invite asu To a random and let this the president have not for once done that All the people that have been making efforts to solve the national assembly minister of labor Minister of education and that is a I don't even think that the president vice president The president the same way he received the religious leaders should not call this This various group together and give a directive Okay, so so crease let me ask you this You know quickly as we cost it down now I'm sure that this question would also be on the minds of a lot of Nigerians. Why do asu always What does the federal government say to us that the call of the strike all the time? This is not the very first time I see that here had experienced asus strike for six months as a student in university and so If asu because it has become a practice that the federal government will enter into an agreement with asu Because as is trying to get the government to respect the law or there I mean the labor acts and respect employees And so if the federal government says we're going to you we get into an agreement and usually you expect that an agreement It should be respected because it's an agreement between both parties Here you're talking about the government and then the government over time This is not the first time 10 months seven months. What have you why dude asu always You know have to call of the strike What the different government say to them that the call of the strike and then they know that the government will not respect it They will not implement it and then the call of the strike. So why do they keep going that same route? So if we want to end back on the strike, it might not sound very logical But maybe we think about going on strike for two years It probably would just make a difference because I don't understand that we If asu says they're going to go on strike tomorrow It's not going to make any difference because they will call it off in five days So what does the government really tell them that they call of the strike? And why do they keep going on that strike knowing that the government will not implement? And then we keep going in this circle at the end of the day, you know that the grass would definitely suffer We're talking about the students In law, that's what we call valid contracts Is a contract that is signed Sales and delivered That is valid contracts. I want that's what we call valid contract Then it is because on everybody that's part of that contract Respect the terms of the contract Then back to your question My sister, you and I will be the first people that we start castigating asu If they remain on strike for over a year, what is it? What is the student at home that become don't forget what happened through the SSP? Why the SSP? This was successful is that a lot of students were at home. So do period of the strike Most of them are not to do All the nadid you just move and just convert At the door gate and we saw what happened. So if if you have an agreement with me I want to believe the sincerity of what we've said Because as a representative of the government, I believe you are represented the interest of not only the government but also the people So why wouldn't I believe you If the government come out to say don't forget that they use it as As a thing of blackmail They come out to turn and tell that we have agreed on this with asu Why is asu not calling up the strike and that is what happened. So asu believes them So if asu Well asu was on strike for about 11 months And at the end of feet of government say, oh hands off we've agreed We've agreed to all that we've said We are signing off on this and the rest are sure that we make sure implementation We start off and after that they call up the strike three months four months five months Asu came out to say these people have not delivered on On the promises what have we done? So I believe that it's just going beyond this. I also believe that at time that should some this Some level of litigation just going on strike might not be able to solve the problem I think that this should be put to test asu should not go to court Even as a union they should be able to take the Straight to the high court to the court of happy there to the supreme court Let there be a job made of the supreme court that issues of this that has to do with contract with the federal government that is not Then let us have bet The only option that they have is the second that is the only thing that the federal government Understand and I can't understand We have to we have to go we have to go but Chris came and they want to you know We said I told you we're going to put it to us today And indeed you did by citing some laws for us and indeed also a united has to go to court And I want to thank you very much for your time Chris came the one who is a chartered mediator and co-signator has been a guest on of the press this morning right here in Parsi we have come messy You went at home for messy was at home for six months at least and I made a lot of money by the way You know why she does something she does I knew it Thank you very much Well, so so it really worries me because I feel like that you know the issue of trust is a big question right here Why do you keep trusting someone who keeps breaking the trust every time you think you have a personal actual graduate? I we understand a bit I was never I was never at home No, I I did I did but it was fantastic because I made a lot of money I was quite productive at that time. Well, this is where we bring the conversation to an end Talking about the paper review when we return we head straight to the very first major conversation right here Please stay tuned. We'll be right back