 It is the touch line here on Y-254. We are just joining as you can follow the conversation on social media at Y-254 channel, the hashtag is touchline Y-254. I'm Ropa Rosoro, Maxwell Vasike, he is still here with us and we are hosting Adanas Obango who is running for football Kenya Federation, NEC member for Nairobi National Executive Council member for the Nairobi County region. Coach, we went to break when we were talking about the three key pillars you are running in for presidency, that infrastructure development, professional management of grass roots, leagues as well as transparency and accountability. The last one there, transparency and accountability is what every candidate usually talks about but they don't get to actualize it for you. How is that in your heart? Probably they don't know, they always talk about transparency and accountability, not knowing that how to be transparent and how to be accountable. So that is the biggest problem there, when people always talk about transparency and accountability, probably they don't grasp what it means. So transparency is, I've come to learn that you have to be transparent in whatever, you don't have deals whereby people don't know the figure, people don't know what you are receiving, you bury everything into confidentiality that anything you do, you don't want anybody to know. Accountability is, I received 10 shillings, I used 5 shillings and I have to write down this is what I have. There used to be a guy called Hansle Mosharia, he was the secretary of Abalaya's branch during the days of KFF. So this guy was tasked to go with the Rambestaz to, I think Namibia but Botswana, he was the leader of delegation, he was given a substantial amount to take care of. So when this guy came back, he went to the federation and went to the federation accountant and told him, this is what I've used and this is what I have, what I'm left with. Can you bank this money and take this report with you? We had issues right from the president, why we tried to mask us in terms of, so accountability is about, we have done it, seems what we have done it in even in several organizations. That is the same thing that auto have been done during African cup of nations, you remember the government, pumped a lot of millions. So you see, you don't say that 11 million went to administration, administrative costs. Break it down. What are these administrative costs? You pay this, we have to put everything in back. Can we say that that is the reason as to why the government has been at loggerheads with FKF? Because before P.S. Ambassador Kirimi Kabiria left minister of sports, he had sort of a call with the current president, Nick, over his persistent campaign that, you know, Mwenwa should account for the funds utilized in this group of African cup of nations. The government gave them money that auto have facilitated them until the entire tournament was completed, but they exited at the round of 16, at the group stage, sorry. So, which means for government they believed bad okuna pesa. You see, the P.S. is the chief accounting officer of that particular ministry. Yes. When they gave a budget, it was approved, I think it went through all those processes. And remember, Maxwell, this is tax payers money. Sure. It is your tax, my tax and everybody's tax. So when I ask you to account for how you use the money, because when I tell you, you ask me that you want 300 shillings for the period I'm going to stay in a particular place. And I end up staying for one day. And I come and tell you that the 300 shillings, I don't have it anymore. But then I ask you, but you stayed for one day. You stayed for one day and you were meant to stay for three days. So I strongly believe that there is money left. It is not there. So, accountability is one of the things that is deep. You see these kind of things there in the media, corporates look at them, to read about them. Yes. Do you expect these people to come on board to support you when you cannot even account government money? Probably they used wrong accounting procedures to come up with a report. But I cannot speak or I cannot talk about the 250 million because I am not privy to anything that happened to that money. So it's upon the federation to maybe to put their house in order and probably explain to the government how they spend the money. Now that you differ ideologically with the current system, the current federation in case you get elected and it happens that the current president would have retained, defended his seat. How do you seek barring the hatchet and working together for the good of the game? It's all about barring the hatchet. I've never had problems with Nick Mandua. I only have a problem with the way he has managed a few issues. If you look at, sometimes you don't just, you have to give credit where it is due. Nick has tried his bit. Probably that's why I say ideologically that he needs people like us who can even push him to maybe do better. You're trying to convince him that he's a good man with wrong advisers around him? I've known Nick for many years. He's not somebody I've known today or the other day. We fought the previous regime of heartbreak with him. Together in the same camp? We were together in the same camp trying to bring sanity in football. We decided to turn FKF into a limited country, a limited company. We also said that we have to fight to the bitter end. We fought. We only putted ways that when we decided to support somebody I could not imagine managing football in this country. That is where we differed. We differed as a matter of principles but probably if he took it to the next level I don't have any personal grudge with anybody in football. I don't have any personal grudge. Even my decision to contest probably it might not go away with some of the people in football but it is my decision. I have a right. On that note, you are running as an independent candidate. You are not affiliated to any presidential candidate. Is it because nobody has convinced you of what they are good for Kenyan football or is it because that most of them don't have anything that had to offer for the best of Kenyan football? You see, I have to look at somebody who can share the same vision in regard to what I want to do. Yes. If Nick Mwendo will buy my idea of what I want to do for Nairobi I will work with him. If somebody else Nick Mwendo tells me I have a better thing for you than what you have. But at the end of the day we are all here to run football. We are not here to go there for personal gains or whatever. Some of us have really suffered in terms of managing clubs, running football, administratively we have gone through a lot. We faced bans, we have gone through a lot. But you see, right now we need to bring everybody on board. Even whoever wins should bring. You see, there is no school of wisdom. Yes. There is no school of wisdom. You just be wise enough and say, I need a marksman. Despite him losing the election but there is something he can offer Nobody knew that Shaila would shake Wuru's hand and say that they put the country first before themselves. And that is what you want to do. Put the country and put football first before your personal interest. That is when we are going to work. But anybody who will convince me that he can do better in terms of what I can do for grass football in Nairobi Anybody who will convince me that he can do better So so far Nana has convinced you so far. You have not talked to any. Right now you are still neutral. As an independent candidate I continue with talking to a few delegates who know me, people who know me and I keep on engaging people who know what I can do. But I have no problem working with anybody who will be elected. If it is the incubate it is who. I have seen at the top level those aspirants raising concerns over lack of some level playing ground. I also hold in that opinion or you think things are different in terms of modalities that have been put in place. I have been following up what the electoral code is doing in terms of trying to clean up those small anomalies. You see first of all they have restricted people to contesting that you have to get nomination you have to be endorsed by water. I think they have relaxed that. I think they have made it very very clear that it is now easy for anybody to get endorsed by a club or any club or any association affiliated to the federation. But my surprise also that some of the associations have been blacklisted in the football association. I don't think if they have been recognized the Kenya Football Welfare Association I think that one is there. And also the various clubs from the county. I think that one is okay because previously somebody like me could not contest because of those kind of roadblocks that have been put. But now if they can ensure that they listen to all the grievances of clubs who feel they have been locked out because of some flames and reasons and you see I just appeal to the current office and the electoral board you see you will be judged by what you do. You will be judged by what you do. It is not difficult to level a playing ground for everybody to play. And at the end of the day we have winners and losers. And football has to go on. So irrespective of whether somebody wins or not. For us we have participated in several relations war, some elections, loss, some elections but I have seen been in football you see. So people look at it is not a matter of life. So it is not wasted interest because we also know that in football. Look at all the candidates look at all the candidates Vine now ask them what has he been doing for the last four years or the last two years. Where has he been? In football. Even those ones vying for the NEC membership. Yes. None of them will ever find them in a football. Myself you will find me in the whole of Nairobi. Today you will find me in Kangemi. Tomorrow you will find me in Kibira. Tomorrow you will find me in Teoyo. You will find me monitoring grass. But football is this powerful. I don't even choose whether it is the league I was running so long as even it is the federation league. I go and monitor. I go to Babadogo. I spend most of my time at Babadogo on weekends. Watching football there. Football is this powerful that most people use it as a stepping stone to politics. We saw Alfred Sambu, the current West Member of Parliament served as a FC Leipards chairman and FKF supreme at some point. The late Dano Nino the former Gatanga Member of Parliament Peter Kenneth and we also hearing that some currently vying tend to use the position as a ladder to politics in case they win. I think it's a wrong thing to use football as a ladder. It goes down to the popularity of the game. And the passion. And the passion people have for the game. So it's the easiest way to get popular and also for people to be able to see your elephants. So if you look at even Clement Gatanga who was the federation president Kenneth Matiba Kenneth Matiba Clement Gatanga all of them, they were football chairman. They ended up in politics. So this is something we need to change. If you want to go to politics take the root of politics. Bacha na ampira. But it is the clubs and the officials people who manage football on day to day basis who allow this to happen. How? By endorsing their candidates? Yes, candidates. Maybe because of financial muscles. We should look at individuals. You see like when you want to elect somebody you look at the track record. What has this guy done for football that now he wants to bring on board? You bring on board. There are some people who are vying for presidency. There's nothing to write home. There's nothing to write on board. Like I've asked you how many, even the people vying for the NEC membership apart from maybe one, my friend Michael Oumon who I know has been in football. If I face Michael Oumon he beats me. I'll say Honorebo concession. But if I lose to somebody who has not even given a team a ball somebody even decides football you have to even look at how compassion you are in terms of even working for the football players. Yes. Just recently I was the land I explained to help Matini Bala-Mala. Nobody has even come up with the football people. Nobody has come to the rescue of that boy. Up to date. How is he doing by the way? He's improving. Even after this year I'm going to visit him. It is something so sad that people want to be in positions and yet they they can offer nothing. They can offer nothing. Be in a position. Banguam divided over the opinion of Matini Bala-Mala. Is a player celebrated personally. One, does it mean that those people who get glorified during their prime times get to be forgotten when they are struggling? Because I think we can name Kujestina Chang. She was glorified during her hi days as a boxing professional in the ring. Right now she's in Tatas. Things are shambolic for her. No one is coming to her rescue. Matini Bala-Mala as well, her blindness except for yourself and a few others. My friend Modo Kimaani, co-chef right now coming to his rescue at the same time. In the same breath. How comes, right now you are being celebrated, you are earning very well. How comes you can't plan yourself properly for what looks like a future that you can't tell maybe it will be characterized by difficult circumstances or smooth sailing. I'm divided. Because people asking Matini Bala-Mala played very well for FC Leipards. He ought to have prepared himself for the future. Others saying sympathizing with the state saying now that he was glorified during his hi days he needs to be helped right now because he's struggling. Are you sharing my thought of being divided though? Yes. As the president of the Kenya Solution in the form of footballers as part of our strategic plan in terms of wanting to help players who are tired and is a question of probably he made bad choices in his life that's how maybe he ended up that way and a human being is a human being. Everybody is vulnerable to making mistakes. You can tell me that you are perfect today you will be fine tomorrow look at the Kenyan player who was playing American football don't worry.