 All right, let's call us to order get going first up as public comment anything not on the agenda Seeing none. We'll move to approval of the agenda This rate will be done in five minutes All those in favor Motion carries consider approving prior meeting minutes To prove I have a motion to amend them. I know they're draft, but they're I think there's a typo in there that says in I I said, I think it's 5c where it says that Judy suggested we add Chester Police Department to the list Or it says actually it says that I suggested it and in fact, I think it was Judy. Yeah so with that Amendment, I would move to approve the draft minutes But we had a motion to approve are you seconding that Not as they're written because they're not accurate. No, I'm not seconding it. I'm making a motion To approve amended minutes as suggested by myself If that's the correct way Not that we always do it by the book I think you'll satisfy Robert and his rules. Yeah, all those in favor. Hi. Hi post Motion carries review benchmarking exercise. Yeah, this one. We're still working through this We were able to more of an update than anything to review. We've got square miles road miles population densities If you don't mind you might want to go. Yep, and And we were able to add the officer counts. We pulled most of them recording in progress timed it so We're only at most of that data from a VLCT Daniel report But we've got a follow-up with two of the departments from the study so Bristol and Woodstock weren't in there It makes sense given transitions and other things in terms of not having somebody report So we've got all that it's broken down by categories. So in terms of when we looked back at our other sheet We had simplified categories. We'll just have to figure out how to make the pieces fit Especially when a patrol officer might also be listed as a detective in some spots So we're working through some of those pieces And we'll have everything from every category right down to part-time officers dispatchers those types of pieces if anybody has any As those and then we'll follow up with some outreach on the other questions that you wanted to add So we're still moving forward with that just not as quickly as we'd hoped in the time between but we've filled out a lot of of the information there That we could and pulled from sources that are pretty common So all the road mileage and stuff comes through the trans grand list come through the Department of Taxes VLCT for staffing So as we stitch these things together and then we'll we'll augment with the outreach pieces Those are really the ones that have to come next along with the budget ones. Those are the the remainders but We made progress I've got one going I don't have one to share that has all the full pieces We've added most of the staffing minus two of the departments that we've got to follow up with directly And yeah, I heard I heard the rest of it I just couldn't tell if you're looking at something or if you just don't have something that's ready to Deliver so I got that answer. Thank you. Yep No, I'll just point out I think when I looked at our and Judy you'll be happy to know I Copied you and I now have this beautiful binder I'm good and I actually reviewed some stuff But when I look at our Workflow, I think we're you know, we're still sort of ahead of the game a little bit. So I'm not concerned that we don't have that just yet Because we're still in August so Trevor do you think that we're gonna have that info before the September meeting That's my hope. Yeah, okay We're swimming for all the worth review data and discuss buckets So the one piece that got added and it got sent around yesterday that came to us from Sheila Last time you guys had talked about the different sort of data buckets as we start to break down our own data And think about to collect for others and this is part of trying to separate the different pieces into what's law enforcement? What might we be able to handle through some sort of different mechanism whether it be, you know embedded social worker types with outside Organizations through community resource officers. So Sheila had provided some of that data specific to safe-line Responses in Randolph. It looks like it's just fiscal year data in the in the aggregate I don't know to what extent they keep it. You know as we've tried to Place call volumes by location a little bit I don't know if they do that the same way as we're able to do through Through the Valkor system and those pieces. So This just gives you a sense kind of a overall need in a in a representative year And at some point as we close August will be an update to those monthly statistics from through Scott shop and we'll Try to add those to some larger analysis at some point. We'll take that Dot mapping example and try to make something else of it just to maybe show In a geographic form yet again As we get better than with it with that piece We're gonna need to just get some of this data clarified So at the top we have 41 users, but we have a total of 42 in the female male bucket So either we have we have something funny there, but we have 303 services given For 41 users But some of these have to be where people came in for multiple services and they got counted twice, but you know That's almost That nine services per person. Yeah, it checked in like the It's good data as far as knowing that what the kind of basic breakdown is, but it's not a little bit tough to understand so I was wondering about the You know, it is only broken down to male female and I'm sure there are people who identify Don't identify as that and they have received services. I mean is my guess, but so I've asked Sheila Like do they keep track of that and is that why those numbers are off? They're already high for the number of users so that would make them even more off Not speaking for Sheila in any shape or form, but just taking a really quick look at this You know if you know somebody comes in and utilizes their services for say a domestic assault Emergency order and then came back to their office for follow-up or go to court It would probably be you know kind of listed so it's that 303 number is probably More, you know the same user utilizing different services is my assumption with just looking at This data. I would think so the actual like number of contacts with anybody, right? Yeah That's my guess too So there's this question so Like the domestic violence has said it had 18 in the year Did the Randolph Police Department respond to 18 domestic violence in that year? So a lot of this stuff too is that it may not even get reported to law enforcement So they may be in a domestic situation that didn't rise to a level of calling law enforcement Or they just named call didn't report it but they sought out the services of save line for assistance for a relief from abuse order or something to that nature so We've responded to a quite a few and BSP has as well, but they may not have utilized services For the utilized services, but they didn't have any law enforcement interactions I asked that in the email chain, you know just like You know would there be a corresponding, you know to me if safe line got a call but safe line Okay, someone's having a domestic violence situation does safe line actually call The police department say hey, we got a safe We got we got a person reporting that they think only if the person wants them to right And the problem is we don't know what that overlay is right right and so we we offer those services You know if we have a victim from you know any kind of domestic Uh situation where you offer safe line services Whether they call them or not that's up to that victim or or those people We don't force feed those services. I just do it could like an assault is an assault right, you know, so To me that's some kind of crime But it's not reported Right It's hard to respond to something. You don't know what's happening But it also is hard to take this data and figure out what the demand would be for law enforcement Which is what we're trying to look at here because we have no way of knowing Of this data of what portion of it is the overlap. That's why that's why I asked the question Would you have a more Understand there's a need for it. I'm not saying there isn't a need for this service But it's hard to say what percentage of Of the in a lot of this if it's is the services afterwards right helping them get the Restraining order helping them find a place to live helping them do that that wouldn't fall I mean, it's a support service. It's needed. It balances out that full picture, but it doesn't Really come over into what does our Police service look like That's where I think the the challenges is figuring out what that Where those circles overlay. Yeah, we've always thought of the buccasin so far as an individual line of discrete buckets But some of them are going to be You know the Venn diagram or is that sort of shared states? Where two buckets kind of come together and it can and it might be part of one and or both Yeah In multiple Places I had a logic class in college and that's the first time since then I've had a chance to draw a Venn diagram That's why I went for that. That was my moment Wait 20 years for that And So this leaves me to think about a couple of things one thing that we had already talked about do Should we do we want to talk to? Our high utilizers to find out what they think they need for police services and number two when we get our August stats Would it be helpful if instead of by date and time or in addition to by date and time? They were broken down by what the nature of the call was So, you know 9-1-1 hang-ups domestic violence, uh suspicious citizen assist Um that way so you can see how many I think it's just a different visual. That's all And I don't know if alchor does that. I'm not stillman does but I don't know Don't know I will double check it. I don't know if alchor can break it down to those kind of pieces Maybe I don't have a definitive answer for it. I don't know if alchor groups them either like that I just know that spillman doesn't sometimes it's easier to look at that you can say Oh, there was only one 9-1-1 hang up all month long But there was 10 Citizen assist and they're all in a group I might be even able to if alchor can't we might actually be able to use that data wrapper Program that created a little map has different sort of chart or other applications And we can translate essentially into excel and back into that And you have a color code by category So it's a little bit of extra massage for the data, but not bad Yeah, because to some extent The date and time data is subjective because depends if there's somebody on duty or not Yeah It might be good to go back to Sheila too and see if they break it out by how many cases actually involve law enforcement We're talking 41 people. I don't know if she's going to have that answer for you But we don't know It might be just Hey like Any idea like her guess on what percentage it is is probably more accurate than our guess Because we're an extreme way where she is an actual educated way Hey guys, can I see you hear me? Yeah, yeah Awesome. So part of this though is I think we're getting ideas of what the services are I don't know if we need to get wrapped up in exact numbers all the time because I think what we know from this information is domestic violence is an issue in our society in our town And so I don't know if we need exact numbers, right? We just want to make sure that that is a service that's covered, right? Are you guys all frozen me? No, I'm just thinking about what you said and I I mean, you know, we'd like the data to be accurate if we're going to be telling people what we've learned And you know, of course if it's not possible Uh, we could ballpark it. I think you know I think that's what we're talking about. I don't think anybody disputes that we need Some kind of service to handle domestic violence response Um It's the it's the other data. I mean what joe asked about was, you know, how much of it is in the in the uh Kristen, I don't want to interrupt you, but we just lost you guys for a while. So we're back We lost you when Stephanie was talking and we were The conversation of two cases a year versus a hundred cases a year makes a big difference. And then you guys were gone Okay, sorry. What I was saying was we we I mean, it's certainly preferable to have accurate data if we can't get it We can ballpark it. I don't think anybody disputes that We need some kind of service to respond to domestic violence cases to that particular bucket um I think the bigger the question I think that joe posed On email was about Do these calls happen within the police just current police district or outside of it? It looks like you guys keep dropping the call or something. Yeah Yeah I'm gonna just leave it like this and see if this we're on twice, but it seems to be working. So I'll try that again, Kristen Third time's the charm. I'm gonna say Yes, Stephanie We all I think we all acknowledge domestic violence happens and we need some kind of response to it whether we have Uh, if we can't get accurate data, we could ballpark it. It sounds like we could at least do that But that my prop point was that joe posed the question earlier about What happens within the current police district versus what happens outside of the current district and that's really Um Some data I think that we'd want to know If there's a way to get that And I think that was maybe the data mapping That was being talked about My question was more based upon My own mind Service level there's one of the things that I was talking about if they do If the recommendation of the committee is to Is to increase the services outside the district make it townwide The other question was is what the service level was going to be needed outside the district Versus inside the district and how are folks Paying for that outside the district versus outside the district So that's that that's why I ask the question It's always been the reason this committee I feel started At the select board is there was some thought of the possible town townwide You know, so so with that in mind, I think it's important to understand What happens outside the town versus what happened or outside the district versus what happens inside the district I'm going to set if you're going to sell a plan Have to have all that that understanding I feel me and there was conversation about The first question is what does the service need to look like and then what is that right? You know, is it does it go townwide and then if it does what does that service level look like? Right, you know, we had some people making comments during the board meeting of well If you're going by their house three times a day, you better be going by my house three times a day and I was like And you go in and you look at the end of clay white road Right, you're going to send somebody up there three times a day to drive the The loop I mean you're going to be drastically I have a lot of questions about it and Um Not not that I don't want people to be safe. That isn't the thing the question is is, you know If if it's going to come out to where it's equivalent Based based upon the value of your house matter of fact, they're a reappraisal that I was there in my house today I left left me a note that he wants to look inside. So okay, great. I'll give you a call But anyways, but I look at it as if it's going to come to that then What's what's, you know, if it's equality of that paying for it Then you want the equality of service If that's going to get there and that means your department is going to go up five-fold But it is 120 miles of road in the town roughly 100 miles outside the district 20 miles inside the district So if you're saying it takes You're saying it takes five officers to take care of and I I wrote this facetiously long before this committee But but it's if you're a day five officers to take care of 20 miles of road If you have five times more on the outside of the district is again to take another 20 officers to keep that level of service I would suggest not however, but but really if you look at it if you want equal level like you're talking about You're gonna pass my house three times a day, right? You know, so so anyway, so there's a lot of questions around that I'm not going to belabor it. We'll get there at some point. You know talking about it But but I just that's what that's why I asked those those questions Do we have any other organizations that Potentially would have this type of data that we're not currently after What's just there martin keene? I was going to say maybe claire martin, but I don't know what they put out for Stats if they can in regards to services that they do for mental health services Do we have data from towns? Not just as similar in size, but the data from towns that have separate districts Similar sized you would take you know thousand people or whatever But have don't have that have a actual how we are presently With a district district and you know within the waterberry being one waterberry senator does not have a police district Yeah, you know what that that's one, but it's a little bit larger than we are but still that's That's a thought so I think to have a you know to be equal Should we just not not just have the towns that have town-wide coverage? But what what's the data from towns that Don't have town-wide coverage It's probably going to be something like a woodstock model as opposed to say the waterberry just because they have the contract with the state police but In the woodstock model they've used some metric to assign percentages of cost Between the incorporated village which owns the pd Right and the town which pays for that portion of it And there might be a similar arrangement We'll have to see what the rocking hand bellows falls where you also have that It's probably going to be the places with an incorporated village still inside of it Um That are going to be the most akin to what we do. So maybe a little bit with Manchester, though I think that's a town-wide pd As well just to think about that benchmark list But yeah, it's a 60 40 split, but we can see how they arrived there and if it's data-based or just through Sometimes these percentages are select boards and trustees having been through the old Essex battles Sometimes they figure out the numbers you're comfortable with and that's the cost share Right. So is it data-based or is it just where they landed? right We have another question in the end. So say you get to that database and say they spend Two cents per hundred outside the district and 10 cents per hundred inside the inside of well If they make that model you know, I guess further to my question a little bit was Was um, we talked about schools at the last meeting of school and resource officer and stuff like that and they said well We want a resource officer that visits all of our schools in brookfield And and whoever's in their school district, if you will The country's not paying or brookfield is not paying for this Well, the resource office would be in the school budget then Resource officer needs to be in the school budget then or at least partially I'd say fully and then they can hit all the towns because it's not even just Braintree and brookfield. Do you have kids that come to the tech center that are from much wider circle? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah So can we get back to judy's question about whether we're going to invite what we somebody term the high utilizers To tell us what they what their needs are I don't know that we have anybody that agrees they're a high utilizer We took quite a bit of heat when we used that phrase a few times Um, but you were Whenever it was first used you're talking about claire martin center gifford and the high school or the or the southwest supervisory union Correct Yeah, there was some mention of some of the housing development areas too and our acdc, but I don't know That one seems to have dropped off some Is there something else we can call them? We can reach out and reignite the conversation frequent addresses. Yeah, no, I didn't I didn't mean like that No, no, I was talking about you know the businesses And we do know we've gone to some of these locations for more than veggie van goes and sure, right, right deal drop so we can Maybe start to pull but the actual responses and talk to those folks Like what's what's like the climbing do we not have data from that from those addresses or? Do we want to actually hear from them? I was thinking like you know the hospital the school district claire martin Actually hear from someone whether they come to a meeting and speak or send us a letter a memo That's what I was thinking personally Because you were thinking about I'd understand your question was about need as much as it was about Whether or not had we been there and how many times for what? Right, also, what's the perception of need? Right, right So the two pieces to it that I had heard in there And if he does want to come on if we want him there so he's willing to come to the table for sure Can we get the data of the breakdown of what you go to the school for? Yeah, I'm not sure that lane really knows what the Police might be used for at the school. Frankly. I'd rather hear from Or uh, I'd rather hear from lisa floyd. Frankly. I think she's what who's left who's been there a while I think if you're gonna like Members say up from the orange southwest Lisa floyd and lane Lane can speak for the district in regards to a school resource officer and lisa like Why do I go to the school every day? All right Do you go to school like every day? It's over a exaggeration, but it feels like that. Yes If I don't go at least twice a week And I'm sure it's a great one Yeah, no, but scott like I've heard from lisa recently Over the over the in the spring about You not going to the school, but you being used to go check on a kid who hasn't shown up at school Who they're concerned about might be suicidal or depressed or something and she's been able in the past to reach out and just have you do a Like a welfare So it's not just going to the school. It's how the school uses your services And you're correct. It's not just the high school either. I've done the same for the elementary school Much in the same circumstances If a kiddo is Not so suicidal, but the parents aren't just sending him to school and they're concerned for welfare I'll do a welfare check That's considered a policing issue and not so much as a School, I don't know when I was young being a truancy officer that we catch a stupid school They've given up on that by the time So if those are the two that you would use for there It is and you you you do have a social You know high hypothesizing about why they're there why they might use the police I would Suggest to just to move this forward that we invite Lane and lisa to come to our next meeting. Yeah, and we give them. Let's give them. Let's decide How much time and the agenda we're going to give them How about that? if if we're going to do like Say they have 15 minutes. Can we do two or three different groups in a meeting? as we'll try Like see if somebody from gifford will come see if somebody from claire martin will come You've got 15 minutes. Tell me if you need a police department or not Well, I think that they all will say that they do I don't think that's a question But it would be nice to see what the services are because some of these like Like what you're talking about going and checking on a child a resource officer Where the school could go do that When claire martin needs somebody to go with their employee to check on one of their clients They could have a staff person that's capable of doing that Like And some of it might be good to hear from them what they're actually using it for so we could quickly say This service could be provided in this way. This service could be provided in that way and look at what the options are That's I think some of where we're going to get into some areas that are going to Maybe not go well. Well in the last week. So actually since the committee committee has started up Um Kristen has has brought out that that maybe some of these calls are not police calls, but they're mental health checks, right? You know, so so you're right. It's very interesting to understand What that say claire martin needs or what the school what the school really needs and is it truly a policing thing versus Maybe something a bit different Well, it's probably a two-way conversation right too when they get here It's their turn to say what they want and what they need and what they feel there It's our turn to ask them about What do you have like? What do you have on for current? staff capacity of Folks like what does gifford have for security now or for those type of services and No, I agree The person from claire martin who would be able to provide some answers. Do you think I think so? Yes That's some of our pushback may be to gifford. You need to be here security You know, this isn't a role. I am essential want we have a pretty prolific security department Wait a minute. Sorry. Can I just get an answer to my question? Oh, I'm sorry close that loop Right. Who's who's going to invite these You know, we have a pretty prolific security and camera systems the whole nine yards The police the police are there, you know, I would suggest even I was a day Do we want to try to do three if we're talking about the school claire martin? Who else do we want for next time? So they'll be told they've got 15 minutes on our agenda each and um, if they choose If they choose to if they if they choose, yeah Well, I ended up walking next to dan vennett at the last mile right thing and he indicated he'd be willing to come If he's actually the one who knows the answers Could we also ask vtc? It's a big campus. They have their own security such as gifford has their own name gifford employees hunt right on that much You know, they can't get any help either I'm just wondering, you know, do they have policing problems because that's an outside the district thing To just understand what what their utilization of say the state police You know, I don't know how many times scott. You've had to go to vtc But to me that's just uh, I just know when they show up when they show up in the fall the beer can't start littering Mine on because I don't live too far away Hey, I can say that I've been up to vtc recently and had actually this conversation with the director of public safety Who was asking who do I call? Do I call you or call the state police? Right? Because if I call the state police, they aren't common So who do I call? And I just did the same thing with mcdonald's today And the barn You know, it's just one of those parts and pieces right because you know the mcdonald's last uh yesterday morning Had a overdose issue and vsp wasn't coming At all. What would we call? Right, right? What would we call? Interesting. I saw the state police today That someone stopped on east bethle road in front of the college So they were out counting payment because they were looking for somebody they've been stopping a lot of vehicles for minor things like inspection stickers and things like that which like Makes no sense to me, but they're they're they're yeah And whatever excuse it is to get in the car Yeah, but some of the ones they're pulling over. It's like really like these people around here all the time You meet them a hundred times a day or a week on the road and you're pulling them open now because of an inspection sticker No, I don't I have a neighbor actually used to have two neighbors when I have a neighbor and right next door to me Yeah, that's a that's a state trooper and there's another one another gentleman down at solo You know and that's the only time I see him is when they're going back and forth to work But then again, I'm not home all day You know, I'm getting they could be they could be busy in Randolph center. I don't I don't know this Do we want to make another? Possible list of people we might ask for like the next meeting Even if we if we do or we don't but like you said vtc Maybe that's a possibility. Is there anybody else we could do them in the same one 15 minutes a piece That's an hour able to If they stick to it, do we want to you know invite local business owners? We could absolutely absolutely Because we're just showing What's happening in the village if you only get the school the hospital and that that's that's what's in the district currently You guys have their stick and it hasn't changed when they first came into these select board meetings And that stance hasn't changed They've been saying the same thing though for several years It's once off now because of their staffing issues They had those same staffing issues 10 years ago And they were they were kind of saying look we didn't want to We can't respond as quickly as we'd like to we have staffing issues. We have staffing issues Not that they don't they they very well may Do we want to give them specific things that we want them to Come talk to us about because I think you're right if we say just come in and tell us your story We're going to get the same thing. We've already gotten if you point what you're looking for so they have the opportunity to prepare for You may have better results So what are we hoping to get out of them? That we don't already have To me it's what is your real policing needs? Not truancy. So they're giving us their They're giving us their statistics All right, we're getting those right now what they're doing Although the problem with that is we don't get a time that it takes we don't get any of that from them But the same thing we get christin, can I finish please? Oh, sorry What we don't get from them is the time commitment side Right, you get the one domestic violence That could take 15 20 minutes because it was two kids pounding on each other Or it could take four or five hours if you got to Help that person find a place and wait for services and write up a report or go to To a court filing and all that so I think that's where our my struggle is on when we look at what the What the time commitment is For these actions data is good, but a tally mark doesn't really give us the full story of staffing and resource needs but it's Next to impossible to By that I get that I just am wondering like when we look at some of these folks and we talk to them about what they're What that need is if we can get them to kind of quantify that like What is that What is that time demand? christin I was just going to say that I think what you will get At least for my just my own expertise solely with mental health calls Rather than speculate about claire martin having staff who could respond and provide the safety stuff. We will get actual You know their own experiences that that all none of us are maybe aware of about why they need police to go with them And I think they they should be able to quantify the average length of time For those times when they do need police if they're for specific things like having to write a warrant or having to Get somebody to the hospital so You know, I just think it's um and the same thing for the school about you know What what what their needs are I I I feel like it would be beneficial because the data doesn't tell us that and I could speculate all I want about why the either the The school or gifford needs feels like they need a somebody in a uniform with a With some powers to be up on their campuses But I don't actually know and so I'd really like to hear from them if we think that they're um Utilizing a lot of services or if we're going to be in a position where we might want to ask them To contribute to the cost I um Somebody just started to speak and you came up Stephanie you're muted Can she unmute? So we started with a list of other organizations that we might want to hear from and all we had was vsp Where we talked about needing to get a little bit better to find what we want from them. Are there any others? Hi, this is Sheila and I I'm sorry. I joined late, but I I'm out of town and I couldn't get internet So um, can you hear me? Yes Okay, so if you had questions on safe line, I can answer I'm happy to but I also I'm thinking that might be someone we want to hear from and I'm sure linda ingold would be happy to Zoom in or come to our meeting if that's something the committee would like I can arrange that Sheila one of the comments What we were looking at on this was how it overlays with law enforcement. So when you have a 41 service users, how many of those actually Needed law enforcement services versus we're there to get services without involving law enforcement Is that anything they track or anything that they could take a better guess than we could at? I Can ask them that question And I know joe had asked whether they were in the village or out of the bed those two questions I can ask if there's an easy way for them to to get that Do we have any other organizations people can think of? Chief, do you have any? I think you're covering the the top ones all the way around. Um, you're You know more of the other things that are like businesses Um, you know the barn would probably be willing to come to this table mcdonalds be willing to come to this table um those two Reach out to law enforcement often You know and they're in those prime locations Of the interstate and all the above are there any other businesses in town that you frequent a lot? Uh Rade aid shaws and shaws is technically outside the district But we get called there all the time because it's just on that cusp Rade aid is the biggest one for retail theft Uh, a couple of farms is another big one for retail theft Our recent bag lists have down on history You want me in I'm trying to because I gotta get my daughter back Her problem and trying to get on my own because it seems like the only way up. We did. Thank you. Sorry for the inconvenience Well, we can continue to grow that List as we continue working through it. Are there any other pieces of data or buckets? If people can think of any other East Randolph site such as East Randolph store And never here if they have any problems I'm just thinking that if you're trying to cover around of what's happening I just don't know that we have the business side of it. I think mostly It's kind of can correct me if I'm wrong. I think mostly what you get over there are the Spats with your neighbor and I just didn't know if they had similar retail theft that you know Maybe in a smaller scale because they're smaller than say cumbland farms in the village But do they do they have those similar issues? that I mean, that's the only kind of business that we have over there in floyd's right? right The guys that went into greenwoods But I don't think I haven't heard of any issues there I don't even know what they're doing at greenwoods I'll explain it to you And some of the retail theft pieces when you see those crimes they're going to correlate At some point to other activity It's a support mechanism. And so you look for Where those opiate and associated related things are happening And they tend to be located in little pockets And that might be a question for the state police because presently that's like what state police coverage, right? Over an east randoff and and floyd's store per se You know, so maybe the state police has some information like, you know, we've Gotten calls at least understand they've gotten calls today The you know the east randoff store or a third branch or whatever it's called It seemed to change names of time between the last few years, you know, so Maybe the state police might have some information of where they've responded I've never seen the police have to respond at floyd's store Ever but that's not saying that maybe lately they have, you know, so Let's move on to Discussing research follow-up and tasks for the next meeting. I think we've kind of hit the research a little bit with folks to come in Finishing the data of comparables Yep, we'll work on an invite list. We'll probably start with the sort of the major organizations first Um, and then we can either make it a rolling Thing where folks are invited, you know There's a segment dedicated and as we sort of check through some of the other ones It was some time to identify sort of the right contacts and people need corporate authorization to Speak on behalf of an entity. They made a little time to get that Scott, is there any benefit to talking with the state's attorney? But they didn't they take on some of the resources that orange county had So the States attorney is Up in the air and if if there is a state's attorney, he's been there about three days and won't know Won't know anything I was just gonna say that it's uh, it's a newer state's attorney And he hasn't been there in a lot of long He's still trying to get his feet wet and it's questionable if he's going to even remain in that position Does he have staff that have been there longer? He has an admin staff that is a orange county resident. I don't know if she is really quite familiar with Or allowed to speak to rent off stats I don't know how that office works with that kind of information flow Didn't the um like the six crimes unit Go that direction? The siu is no longer There's there's a couple of words Yeah, I thought that's where it was going or it was um, you know and quite honestly, I would love to get under my umbrella But the the piece is not the funding. It's getting the uh adequate detective in that position And those I know If they might have a good Bit of information about that But having been on it some was safe line and whatever I haven't been in that unit This was you know kind of a hotbed And it was just in the town not just the village. It was all in town And usually about this time of year you get ramped up for kids coming in and disclosing What happened during the summer or all the above so This was coming into the busy time Yeah, do you have a present contract with orange county? Even for outside the district normally had that small contract for outside outside the district so that the total thing went away When that went away We only have the bill we have the contract for the coverage outside of the town with the village department now So to speak I don't think there's any written contract, but Orange county was pretty clear. They couldn't provide anything It would be of any interest to Because before they were in the village would be any interest to To see if bill bonyak May want to provide what his lease is sort of assessment is or something of of outside the district Of leases his time with that I think we have the time right there too Okay We decide you want them. We know we're fine We have for follow-up and tasks for the next meeting Keep doing the benchmarking. We'll have august's data and we'll do the round of insights and start to set those up hopefully we'll have At least three of those Communications and correspondence We set this up last time as an intake and I haven't seen anything that's hit The accounts we you know basically my email account folks have been steered too So there's anything for the committee that's come in through that Don't put the next item as adjournment Nobody has anything else I make a motion to I second All those in favor Hi Motion carries everybody have a good evening. Yeah, thanks folks. Thank you. Thank you Hey, hopefully I can get this