 believe it was a ballot low for me I only voted for candidates from four different parties there just weren't as many parties to choose from well were there after parties yes so I guess that's the ones that have no party affiliation hmm this voice today fiesta it's like it's like after prom yeah I am looking forward to what can it be from see that's the thing though here's the thing about doing the voting the way I do where I sit down at home and absentee it and research I have already voted so it's well you can still wear the you can wear the sticker on that but they sent a sticker yeah that's what started this whole conversation they actually I used to be like yeah I don't get an I voted sticker because I do absentee ballot but now I can now I got a sticker it's really nice just saying who doesn't love a sticker I know that you my friend have started you spawned a sticker empire in Justin Robert young with your inspirational I'm talking to him tonight about it also this is oh I should do this at the thing yeah yeah yeah just Shannon left this morning for Japan with a bunch of those okay let's do the thing all right make it do the thing do wait a minute oh I haven't given you control have I Roger let me give you that there we go Roger is presenting to everyone now congratulations like a mandrel like a man Drake here we go Derek you turned off your targeting computer what's wrong oh I'm just using manual mode okay good here we go if you donate $10 per month you can say 1.4 seconds of every single episode is brought to you by you head to daily tech news show dot com slash support to adopt the second I called dibs on the first two seconds have that beautiful theme music this is the daily tech news for Friday May 13th 2016 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today mr. Darren kitchen host producer and founder of the online web series hack 5 spelled a jk5 how are you host producer and founder yes I am fantastic spelled the DA double R Ian like that's how you spell fantastic actually just to clarify I was named after the first Darren not the second Darren so let's just set the record straight good I'm glad we cleared that up it is a big controversy among many Genie fans cackling at that joke is Mr. Len Peralta who is very excited I would assume because we have a main discussion topic for him to illustrate today that involves robots it's pretty cool and and meat too which robots robots made of meat to be honest very very interesting yes thank you so much for that I appreciate every once in a while you got to throw me a bone and do something sort of fun like that we thought about doing like internet protocol policy again for you know straight yeah I'm always up for the challenge but any time I get to draw meat and and robots it's a winner we threw you a bone a bone made of meat robots all right let's start off with the headlines the big to-do last night was that Apple invested a billion dollars one billion dollars which to them is spare change in DD Chu Xing the ride hailing company that you probably have heard called DD Quadi they changed their name there's a whole bad association with the word Quadi out there so they changed it to DD Chu Xing Apple CEO Tim Cook told Reuters we are making the investment for a number of strategic reasons no surprise there including a chance to learn more about certain segments of the China market hmm what segments would those be Tim Cook other investors in DD include SoftBank Alibaba and Tencent so it's not like Apple's alone and pouring money into this company fortune reports that DD Chu Xing president Jean Lu she said the companies would benefit each other on product technology marketing and many other levels again not much in that statement but it does clear of clarify the reason I use these quotes Darren is that both of these companies are saying yeah we're this isn't just they gave us some money and they hope to get a return we want to work together on something and of course with all the rumors we were talking about yesterday about Apple getting into the car business putting a billion dollars a very unusual move for Apple to put in a bunch of money like this in a car oriented company has the wheels spinning yeah as it were yes it does I mean because typically Apple takes their money and they put it into their gigantic piggy bank and they don't really use that gigantic hammer so yeah this is this is strange this is out of the norm and we'll see where it goes and there's all kinds of reasons Apple may be looking at just creating a service that allows you to request ride-sharing and being an investor in DD would help them with that Apple may be building their own self-driving cars that they want to sell to DD and maybe we'll see them start to invest in DD's partners oolah lift etc Apple also just wants to make China happy remember that they got their book and entertainment service banned and blocked in China so investing in a major Chinese company helps them with relationships and knowing people and stuff like that so there are a lot of benefits from this I don't think it's any one particular reason and they could ensure that maybe they get some iPod docs I know that they're big on that with cars so yeah I did you say iPod I'm pretty sure I did yeah you said classic you said you promised me classic tech stories going classic classic cars Facebook chairman CEO Mark Zuckerberg said Thursday that Facebook will launch a full investigation into allegations of political bias and curation of its trending stories we talked about Andy and not going Alison Sheridan about this earlier this week Zuckerberg said so far the company has found no evidence that this report is true and added quote if we find anything against our principles you have my commitment that we will take additional steps to address it so in other words saying yeah we know what Gizmodo said and we know the Guardian released some documentation that backs up the things that people were telling Gizmodo but we are clear that we do not allow political bias in the curation of our trending topics so there you go I mean I'm not saying that you have to believe them but they're they're not backing down from that stance yet yeah I mean it will you know go full denial I mean that's always a good one to go with you know it's all done I'll but we'll keep looking yeah like we'll keep investigating I mean I get that Mark Zuckerberg's trying to save face that makes sense but I don't know just to play devil's advocate I beg the question do these platforms have some sort of moral obligation to be neutral or unbiased and is that even possible well and I think that's why you see such a deep tradition of safe harbor is that YouTube can say we're not picking the videos right search engines can say it's an algorithm we don't have somebody going in there but what Facebook did is said well you know we're gonna have curators to write the headlines and that immediately started to make people say well wait a minute are you also juicing the headlines and I I honestly believe they were I believe that they were trying to clean them up if you will and whenever you allow a little bit of human interaction in there you're likely to get some kind of bias it may not be horrible like you say but it is not going to be as plausibly deniable as that was just the algorithm doing its work and the flip side of that is if you let the robots do all the works then the humans control the robots exactly witness Microsoft's recent adventures with a bot on Twitter for further information on that Google is looking for drivers in Chandler Arizona to collect data while operating self-driving SUVs so I guess you're a driver sort of you're letting the car drive but you need to take over in case of emergency mostly you're just collecting data you have to have a clean driving record be able to type 40 words per minute which immediately made me go wow I wonder if I can still type 40 words per minute and you have to be willing to sign on for 12 to 24 months on a contract you have a shot of making 20 bucks an hour or so sitting in a self-driving car for six to eight hours a day and if you stretch the definition of the word pilot a bit you might be able to tell people you're a test pilot. Ooh take that Chuck Yeager. I'm just as good as Chuck Yeager because I sit in a self-driving car. You think you get a plaque I mean that's pretty good actually I want to just point out you know to put things into perspective 20 bucks an hour for sitting in a self-driving car well according to an American Trucking Association report from 2015 that would only be like 60% of what you could make if you were a private fleet truck driver so I'm just saying you might actually have to do the work yourself if you were driving the truck. Exactly. So maybe really there's just an opportunity for Google to make some self-driving freight. How much is it per minute of words if you're doing 40 how much is it per word? Yeah yeah 40 words a minute. $3,000 a year and then let's see we're doing this part. Just do 20 divided by 60 divided by 40. Yeah so 35 bucks an hour and we're doing 40 words a minute so yeah of course so let's move on I'll get back to you with the math. Thanks. Global Financial Network Swift disclosed a second attack against an unknown commercial bank in its network this is similar to the one we've told you about previously on the Bangladesh Central Bank Reuters got a look at an investigative report that states the attackers are actually still in the network as the investigation goes on there are also two other groups that have been discovered in the network one of whom appears to be a nation state that is collecting information. Security firm BAE Systems says a similar attack was made against a Vietnamese commercial bank although they aren't saying whether that's the same one Swift identified and the attack on Bangladesh's Central Bank exhibited quote this is very important the same unique characteristics end quote as the attack on Sony Pictures Entertainment in 2014 doesn't mean it's the same group but it is a similar type of attack as was taken against Sony. You know I look at this and it just makes me ask the question like what if and that this is probably in some the world that doesn't exist but what if the banking industry actually took this as an opportunity to drop the 20th century unsecure concepts like the symmetric keys we use for our debit and our routing and account numbers and things of that nature and rather adopt something using say public key infrastructure like the blockchain then I think the result of that would be that those massive losses wouldn't just be boiled down to the quote cost of doing business that ultimately ends up just costing all of us an increased banking fees. Yeah I agree with you but keep in mind and I know you know this the way they got into the Bangladesh system was getting user credentials that allowed them to do things that they that those users were allowed to do and the way they got those was a phishing attack so it also I guess all I'd say is yes and better training of people to understand the risks if they are given credentials that could do certain things. No no no you use the classic infosec argument which is yes but people. Yeah exactly and and I don't want to be unfair to Swift I don't know if Swift is investigating blockchain they very well might be but Swift is not the one with the vulnerability here it was someone who had credentials to use Swift that allowed their credentials to get stolen but again people. Oh and the update on the math we're talking about one and a half cents per word. Oh yeah. Yeah all right so journalists compare that to your current rate. That's what I'm kind of figuring is really get out of the truck driving automated car driving business and just start writing for blogs. Mozilla has asked the US government to disclose how it hacked the Tor browser bundle in order to identify users of a website that dealt in child pornography the Tor browser as you might know already is a modified Firefox browser so Mozilla is interested if there's a vulnerability that's part of their code in fixing that vulnerability. Mozilla's chief legal and business officer Danelle Dixon Thayer said quote we aren't taking sides in the case but we are on the side of the hundreds of millions of users who might benefit from timely disclosure or who could benefit from timely disclosure. So yeah Mozilla saying we we don't have a problem with what the FBI did we're not even commenting on that we're not saying whether we have a problem or not all we're saying is if you found a vulnerability in Mozilla code for Firefox we need to know that so that we can patch it up. Yes and I like that I would actually take that a step further and say forget the scary Tor dark web stuff or the creepy sex offender stuff. I would say if this were the case of the government holding an exploit that for instance invalidates the security of your personal computer or the servers that run the world's financial infrastructure would you then want them to hand it over to the people that are empowered to fix the flaw. Yes and if your answer is yes then it should be yes in this regard as well. Exactly on June 2nd any 5 gigahertz router sold must take measures to prevent the use of uncertified frequencies and must not allow the user to disable dynamic frequency selection both of which if abused could cause interference with weather radar. This is a perfectly reasonable thing for the FCC and the FAA to pursue. However this has come to mean that most routers are going to block third-party firmware like open WRT because that's easier to just say fine we just won't allow any third-party firmware and that that way we're sure that this won't happen. However Linksys has been working with Marvell and open WRT to make sure that its WRT routers can use open source firmware and still remain in compliance with the new regulations. Basically the short version is they're storing some RF parameter data in a separate memory location so that your firmware doesn't affect it and you stay in compliance with the FCC. However even Linksys isn't doing it for all their routers only doing it for the WRT ones. Charter communications entered into a consent decree with the U.S. FCC agreeing to pay $640,000 and complete a three-year compliance plan for preventing users from using their own cable modems. Charter began the ban in June 2012 and implemented it for two years. Charter does not charge rental fees for its modems. I'll get to that in a sec. The FCC began investigating in July 2015 at the request of Zoom Telefonics who makes modems saying hey they're not letting people buy our modems here and and and so the FCC said now you can't stop people from using the modem even if it's not in their best interest. They're allowed to connect it as long as it's a legal device and so Charter is gonna pay a little fine and check in every six months with the FCC but this is one of those things where I kind of get where Charter was coming from. What they did was said we're not gonna raise prices we're just going to not charge you the fee for the modem so that we just give you modems and that way we can always have a limited number of modems connected. You always have the most frequent the most the newest modem and it's just an easier tech support thing for us but there were some of us out there and believe me at certain points of my life I would be one of them like I don't care if I'm not getting charged I have a modem I want to use my modem and that and that's what's changed here. Yeah so how much is this fine? $640,000 kind of slap on the wrist really. Yeah I was about to say you know 640k should be enough for anyone. I should have seen that one coming. So the devil's advocate here I think this brings up a good question which is should network operators have the right to dictate what devices directly connect to their networks and I'm not talking about the PCs behind the firewall that's none of their business but the actual interface that communicates with well you know their lines and so it makes me wonder say for instance of Shannon who's on her way to Japan right now were to go down to Akihabara I'm hoping I pronounced that correct and picked up some bizarre non FCC tested cell phone should she be able to bring that back for me to pop my T-Mobile SIM card in it you know I think at a certain point you should be able to I think well and the FCC allows for that they say you can have an approved list of modems and say it has to be on this list to connect our network it has to be a reasonable system what that was one of the other problems is once chartered did put out a list it was a very short list they were saying well we have to test the modems but the tests that they were doing weren't testing for whether they were compatible with their network so the FCC says you just can't use this as an impediment it's fine to have a reasonable certification list to say no you can't just put any modem on the network it has to be compatible and it has to be something we know how to support but you have to keep that list pretty long in fact I just hooked up Time Warner Cable as a backup account last night and the modem list that they support is vast it is a huge number of modems that they will support and they're very clear about this will work with DOCSIS 3 this will work with DOCSIS 2 so if you want speeds up to this amount you got to get these modems I'm fine with that I I think it's interesting what Charter was doing saying we're just gonna include the price of the modem in the account fee and spread it out amongst everyone you can look at that and say ah so it's a hidden charge they're forcing me to make but they're they're basically saying we we're just making that part of the service we also don't allow you to hook up your own cable at the telephone pole either and there's better reasons for that I get that but they were just including the modem as part of the service and I get why that would bring down support costs for them yeah you know I just I think it's a totally reasonable thing for them to say like we've standardized on this and considering the fact that it's a shared line and somebody plugging in some you know malformed device can bring down the entire network so in those situations don't forget to that they don't give you any money back even now if you use your own modem because there was no modem rental fee hmm hooking up your own modem doesn't save you anything you still pay the same amount as everybody else no in this case it's the FTC that's getting the 640k yeah that's right oh maybe they can use that with high memsess and they'll be good to go Android police found an Android VR placeholder in Google Play's developer console code and Peter Rojas tweeted that Google will introduce an Android VR device at Google IO next week Peter says it'll be a standalone headset it won't need a phone how are the Financial Times reports that Google will introduce a new VR product that does need a smartphone and the Wall Street Journal said girls you're both pretty we think they're gonna introduce both things a standalone product and one that isn't standalone and and that is probably what will happen that's now what I assume is gonna happen two VR products I mean they kind of already have one that works with phones the the cardboard right yeah and you know I think they're probably gonna continue with that recyclable theme I'm predicting it's either gonna be like 10 or aluminum probably not glass you know it'll be have just a big triangle with arrows and a two mm-hmm or or more heavily corrugated cardboard you know that real industrial stuff you find IKEA I think do think it'd be interesting I think it is more interesting to think about them introducing a standalone headset that is sort of between the gear VR and the Oculus Rift as far as functionality and might get VR into more people's eyeballs you know here's the thing I don't miss my smartphone when I'm using gear VR because I'm kind of preoccupied looking at my smartphone very close up so I don't really necessarily believe that there is for many VR instances a need for that separate device as long as you can get the you know kind of processing power and with certain streaming technologies that can be offloaded externally anyway so I am actually a huge fan of using the phone just because you have like already a very rich display there and and you know it's already a very personal device and I feel like VR is a very personal experience so using your phone I think it's fantastic but you know we'll see what they come out with it here's here's what it becomes a problem when you want to let someone else use your VR device and they're like oh I have a flip phone but can I use your VR device like well okay you have to use my phone though and then or when you want to share the VR experience or more importantly especially as we talk about these Google devices here I find it's very frustrating that I want to gear VR at the same time that I Google Glass it's just it's so cumbersome first maybe there'll be some Google Glass magic in this VR thing for man oh hey you know glass is recyclable maybe that's it Roger Chang our producer pointed this one out Arizona governor Doug Ducey signed SB 1350 into law prohibiting cities in Arizona from banning the listing and use of short-term rentals like Airbnb you heard ban and you heard Airbnb don't get confused he's banning banning in other words cities can't stop Airbnb from operating in their city Arizona has a plan to develop public policy that encourages the sharing economy usually we just hear about cities cracking down on things like Airbnb so this is an interesting tidbit yeah and Doug Ducey's fourth grade English teacher is like why you double negative a few more tidbits for you EU member states endorsed a proposal requiring subscription services like Netflix to allow access outside of your home nation while you're traveling within the EU have to be in the EU to begin with must be approved by ministers at a meeting on May 26th BMW announced Thursday its first autonomous car the BMW iNext will launch in 2021 with an AI that kind of drives like a jerk and for the first time in four years printed book sales in the UK arose in 2015 while e-book sales dropped for the first time ever I'll get to that first time ever wow yeah it's really not that big of a drop or big of a rise but it is an interesting inflection point to see like oh we may have hit stability on the division of e-book and print books here thanks to everybody who submitted things from our subreddit at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com you guys are the best even if you drive BMWs I still love you SP share it and strike it rich one cat and kipper all y'all get in there and submit some more stories flow Bama you rock tg stellar always good Celtic Chris welcome all of you get in there do some voting do some submitting helps us put together our lineup and that is a look at the headlines I feel like we should be opportunity and getting all yinz in there as well yinz use use yeah there we go covered it all all right we got two robots to talk about let's talk mech first all right because that is actually if you don't realize this the more common wearable robot out there wearable robots are becoming common Panasonic has a power loader that can be used for disaster relief and construction they're also developing similar assist suits for factory workers but the news today is that Hyundai is showing off a robotic exoskeleton that allows you to lift objects that are hundreds of kilograms in weight they are targeting factories the military physical rehabilitation as uses for it and it seems to be a more robust version of the Hlex the Hyundai life-caring exoskeleton that's a more lightweight one that is really targeted more on that end of physical rehabilitation and there are others out there working on things in fact the Panasonic power loader I think is is if not for sale being manufactured so we are living in a world Darren where we can buy exoskeletons right and you know what's really interesting is Hyundai an automaker makes total sense that they would develop something that can be used as a build autos industrial applications yeah to build cars I say you know what skip the middleman just go straight to slapping a license plate on the next button just I want to sprint that thing across the Bay Bridge in the Diamond Lane of course this is one of those next product categories I'm not joking when I say this like we are going to be talking about who has the best robotic exoskeleton or the best wearable robot within a couple years you know in all seriousness I I hope that this sort of stuff continues and comes to consumers because I could imagine someone like Nike who believe it or not I've had people at Nike tell me that they're a technology company not a shoe company which is cool you know the feel bands interesting but I would love to see you know in the future is I think personally like I love hiking but I also have two knee injuries that I'm just maintaining and I know that at a certain point in my life it would be fantastic to have something aid me with the hiking in my elder years as I would love to continue seeing the world and that's something where I would love to see some sort of special Nike pants or something like that you know doing the same sort of stuff that we're we're seeing right now in industrial applications yeah I I wish I read more Korean because I would like to know more about what Hyundai's got here Google Translate did a fair job and they really don't have a whole lot of information but the pictures are amazing you get you got to check this out meanwhile what we do know a lot more details about is the robot made of meat that is ingestible and this is from a joint project of MIT University the University of Sheffield and the Tokyo Institute of Technology co-created by Daniela Roos the director of MIT's computer science and artificial intelligence lab so they have been doing a lot of work with origami robots usually made of mylar that can use folding as a propulsion system they wanted to make an ingestible robot and the mylar was a little stiff for their purposes and also cause some other problems in a biological situation so they did a lot of research on sausage casings Aaron I bet that was awesome research which yeah they're like we went to a lot of Asian marketplaces a lot of Chinatowns in the US taste they didn't say they tasted a lot of sausage but I bet they tasted a lot of sausage and they ended up with a pig intestine that is used quite often as sausage casing called biolefin that is folded put in with a tiny magnet attached to it in an encapsulation into a capsule and they are able to control it externally with magnets now it can propel itself it can it can actually like 20% of the propelling is done by just pushing water out of the way the other 80% is what's called stick slip where the appendages stick to a surface and then execute a move and slips free so the body flexes to change its weight distribution you can think it kind of like a caterpillar or an inch worm I guess and they've done tests where they are able to guide it in its direction with magnets externally and it uses the stick slip to move around the rest of the time they were able to remove a swallowed battery did you know that 3,500 people swallow a battery every year so that was actually the thing that like when I read that in the article I like stopped in my tracks I was like what because on the one hand cool technology but I'm like reading this and I'm like okay but why do we need this what's the application what's the application then finally I'm like oh so stop eating batteries people watch batteries right and it's only 3,500 so as a percentage of the population it's actually fairly low but yeah that happens watch batteries just actually I mean are you testing them and then accidentally swallow I'm curious however it's not a joking matter although most of the time it gets passed through you sometimes it will get stuck and then it can cause burns the way it interacts with your stomach acid so this edible robot could then move through your stomach they've done a test using a model of a pig stomach and then cut open so they could see what was happening they fill it with water and lemon to simulate stomach acid and they were able to move it through there's a video of it it picks up the battery and then it just the battery is now dislodged in both the capsule and the battery can get passed through as normal it's it's like a magnet doodle made sausage basically that's what we're talking about here kind of is on the one hand okay so what's really interesting about this is like when this goes a step further and is self-propelled propelled fully and doesn't need the magnets externally and stuff like that because at that point you really have just meat drones which this this world really needs and you know shout out to steel town love those guys word to Sheffield for getting in on this sort of innovation how about some vegan options next time though yeah just saying keep in mind side note here they picked pig intestine the sausage casing because it holds up pretty well in your stomach well there doesn't digest very fast that's just something to keep in mind I am not personally bothered by that sort of thing but yeah we're having people asking for you know is there a vegetarian option is there a kosher option you know those those are going to be concerns if they get this work and I'm sure they can find other materials but the next steps are actual in vivo experiments where they use animals to test this out and see if they can guide it and they also want to add sensors to see if they can get it to control itself in other words they would tell it where to go but they wouldn't have to use the external magnets to guide it that would be another big step for you just got to hope that this thing doesn't get stuck because then you're gonna have to send down an even bigger bot and then I just it goes on from there yeah pretty soon you're using a parachute casing to I just want to see the mash up I just want to see the ex the meat exoskeletons I'm actually looking forward to the like would now do you onion and herb or Italian spices you know as long as it's gluten free yeah we have chicken apple robots as well researchers are presenting that this week at the international conference on robotics and automation but you know all jokes aside this this is a really incredible piece of technology and I'm curious to see if it continues I like the simplicity of it yeah it's just like meat and magnets you know and then I mean that almost belittles like the amount of precision that must be involved into piloting the entire thing you know I think at that point you could call yourself a test pilot I got a battery in your stomach come on down to MIT's meat and magnets we'll get an idea to Jiffy all right let's get to our pick of the day Nate wrote in with three picks that let you download offline maps if you want to use your phone as a GPS device and you're worried about coverage get one of these psychic or maybe Sygic S Y G I C uses Tom Tom's maps Nate says it's got an awesome interface it's free but charges for voice prompting during term by term directions after the trial period is over map factor navigator uses open street maps data and the free version has all the major features needed although it's not Nate's favorite interface and nav me with two eyes nav MII also uses open street maps data the free version has all the major features you need and can't choose a starting point though it always starts at your current location so sometimes that may not matter but that could be a disadvantage for some there you go Nate thank you for all the picks three and one fantastic that's awesome I'm looking forward to I'm gonna be doing that here real soon as I'll be in Australia hopefully motorcycling across some of parts of it and yeah not having services the thing there I believe yeah especially out in the countryside or they call it the outback do they actually call it that I you know we'll see we'll see I hear that we can see some stars there we'll talk after the show send your picks to us folks feedback and daily tech news show dot com you can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks a couple good messages Colin wrote in regarding our discussion of Apple becoming a car company and said Elon Musk pointed out the following in the car business you are mass producing to get to economy of scale to mass produce you have to make the machines that make the machine designing building a car takes a lot of work designing and building the machines that make the machine takes 10 times that work the way I understand it says Colin if you want to be in the car industry outsourcing the manufacturing is not an option that said Apple's partnership with Foxconn isn't exclusively one of outsourcing production for the MacBook line of laptop computers Apple introduced a unibody design and it's my understanding that Apple also developed the technology for the particular CNC milling machines capable of manufacturing the unibody so that's Apple making the machines that make the machines or at least designing them I guess I pointed out during the show if you want to get into the car business you have to go all in design and manufacturing have to be intimately connected otherwise you won't be competitive now that's that's the case for you guys Justin's right Apple's gonna become a car company and they can't really even outsource this stuff too much David on the other hand writes in and says you know I took a trip to South Korea two years ago and let me tell you South Koreans love their domestic cars there are plenty of Hyundai's on the road in South Korea but there are also plenty of Samsung automobiles on the road in South Korea I did not realize this while it's extremely improbable that Apple will become a South Korean and I don't know how to say this is a cable cable in other words one of the companies that sells everything from theme park tickets to life insurance to oil tankers it's not necessarily a foregone conclusion says David that Apple's core business couldn't remain electronics even if a piece of Apple focused on manufacturing automobiles Samsung does it through a partnership with the French automotive manufacturer Renault Apple could easily follow the same path or perhaps another so I looked it up he gave me the link to the Wikipedia article on Renault Samsung Renault Samsung is a subsidiary of Renault so Samsung is partnered but Samsung doesn't own it however Samsung did start it they maintain a minority ownership Samsung started it with assistance from Nissan and it has a single assembly site in Busan South Korea so what happened was Samsung started an auto company and built cars and then in the downturn in the 90s had to sell it off to Renault but they still hold a piece of it assuming that Apple doesn't have to worry about a downturn because of the big cash reserves this this could be a model where Apple says oh you know what we'll partner up in this case it was with Nissan but we'll partner up with somebody to bring in the expertise but we will start a plan we will build cars. Yeah dude you think the car the tech industry is weird the whole auto industry is so weird people like I had somebody just asked me the other day who makes the Hack Across America van and I'm like oh well it's a Mercedes sprinter but you know it's also been a Dodge I mean at this you know at the end of the day it's a Daimler AG vehicle. Right. But you don't find too many companies and Samsung was one of the rare instances where it's a non-traditional car company owning the car it's almost always a car company working with another car company if there is a partnership involved so this is kind of an interesting one here thank you David for pointing that out and thank you Darren kitchen as always a pleasure discussing the tech news with you if people want to hear more Darren kitchen talking what could they possibly do. Oh they could go to HAK5.org and they would they would find our new website that has all of our shows including hack 5 and tech things Threat Wire Metasplate Minute hack tip and more and at the very top you'll find the info on the meetups if you are in Japan is it next weekend it's on the 23rd yeah so next Monday on the 23rd with Shannon in Tokyo as well as towards the end of the month in the Gold Coast of Australia and then Sydney and on the 4th so sign up for some meetups if you want to get down and see what we're up to HAK5.org you'll find all our shows lately it's been pretty much about drones so you're looking to build your first drone check it out UAV drone quadcopter whatever you call it go to HAK5.org thanks Mr. Len Peralta I may have to buy this one too. That's what I like to hear now you know when you when you text me this afternoon about the meat mech and and also just a mech suit you know this is the first thing that came to mind it was a suit made of meat with a man who was throwing up pig intestines there you go somehow he's saying he's saying somehow I don't think this is how this suit was supposed to turn out I really like the fact if you notice by the way I had just I just came back from from Texas last week so I know all the cuts of meat for Good Texas barbecue you've got your sirloin you've got your your beef ribs some bacon some sausage going on there all delicious and and it and there's no sauce it's just is kind of the smoke is what makes it taste really good dry well yeah that's the kind of mech suit that I want one that I think that's blessed for me learn such a thing like Kansas City or Texas style meat know what I had I had both while I was out there I love it all it doesn't matter as long as I can lean up and then bite something out of my arm and eat and that's the mech that I want so it may not be the meat mech suit you wanted but it will be the meat mech suit you eat there you go there you go yeah you can you can pick this up right now in my online store or you can bag me a patreon.com forward slash and you can back me there and you get these all as digital files finally I want to mention one thing I am a campaign manager for for a Kickstarter that's out right now if you're a fan of Mystery Science Theater 3000 you may want to check out Renfest on Kickstarter it's the MST 3k alarms along with freaks and geeks they're making a show kind of like the office but set in a Renaissance festival check it out we got about a month to fund and love to have your eyes on it so just check it out go to renfestivity.com or just go to Kickstarter and search Renfest. 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Yes. Yes. Nice. You know what I love about this is that Len has has both honored a current trend which is wearables but also invented a new trend which is the edibles. I really feel like this is onto something here. CES will never be the same again. I think it's a great idea. I think it's a big trend at CES 2017 is at a bull tack. You've got your pebble on and you're like oh what time is it and you're like it's snack time. That's right. And you just eat it. Think about how many you can sell. It's so delicious. I'm wondering if it will actually be out. I guess it would be. I mean it could be a suppository but no one would want that. I do like that. The chess plate and the thighs are delicious steaks. Yes. They're sirloins. Right. And the ribs. I love that. That's right. The joke. You got something some bacon underneath your armpits. How can you go along? You know what's interesting Tom is that that how do you pronounce it? Chables. Chobbles. Yeah. So they're huge conglomerates. So for the longest time Hyundai used to make PCs and consumer electronics. Yeah. And they just like hey we make cars but we'll also sell these because that's how we work. Yeah. And now they make Macs too. All right. Titles. I actually like that. 640K should be enough for anyone. Come on. That was I like that one. Tech Macs. Tech Macs. I think works the best. I don't actually see it on here. Tech Macs. Oh no it is. Tech Macs. Tech Macs. There it is. I'm voting it up. So I'm voting it up too. All right. But in honor I'm honored that eight that nine people like 2640K joke. I am one of those. That's that's really clever. That's very funny. Tech Macs. All right. Tech Macs. We're going Tech Macs. Very good. Should we spell it MEX or MECHS. We should spell it MECHS right. Tech Macs. I don't know. MEX. The whole thing like Tech Macs. It's kind of like playing on the whole edible. Yes it is. Yeah. But it's also talking about Maca. Yes. MECHS. Yeah definitely. Well. Tech Macs. It should be Tech with an S and then MEX. Like TEHS. TEX. TACCH apostrophe S and ECHS. How are you going to get apostrophe and a file name? Watch. I do watch the Ampersand whatever code that I say all day long of the 640K joke which now has 11 votes. You should go with an 8.3 file name. No. Let's see if we can fit Tech Macs in there. You know what it fits. Tech as it currently is would fit as a TechMex.MP3. It's 8.3. But if you don't understand why it needs to be eight characters, you've been running the wrong file. My only problem is I don't create the full names. Really? Yeah. They're auto created. It's a script. We've lost touch. I know. We've lost touch with our roots. We're so abstracted from the technology now, Tom. I feel like I don't even know myself anymore. Remember when bare metal was bare? Yesterday I went to ping and I pinged Google, not Yahoo. Who am I? Now I just ping Yahoo just to see if they're still around. Actually, no, when we when we hooked up this internet connection first thing I did, you know, I was like, I go in command line and I'm like ping and I started to think Yahoo. And I was like, no, I should do Google just to be sure. Because you never know. And I was like, really? Like I really had that thought. Yeah, I actually do 8.8.8.8.8 because I'm lazy. That's even better. Yeah. But if I want to make sure the DNS is going, you know, try some random stuff actually. But then you don't know like is the random stuff just there? And Google be a dad is pretty unheard of. Yeah, when I would call my ISP my dial up one in the 90s. I remember one particular adventure where they were trying to troubleshoot essentially, if I was just looking at my cash or if I was truly online. And so Oh, right. Yeah, wanted me that the tech wanted me to go to a website that I'd never been to before. So he was like, Oh, yeah, just pull up Ford.com. He's like just guessing and I'm like, Yep, never been there. Good call. Yeah. Nobody goes to Ford.com. That's actually a really like, especially for that time period, like there really wouldn't be a reason to go to Ford.com figure their server was pretty reliable. So but then like what would you have found out there like Ford is a company. That's what you'd find. Like in the 90s is just like mission statements. So great. Now I must know to the way back machine. Oh, no, no, Tom, it's a it's a trap. You'll be there all day. Goodbye, everyone. It was nice knowing you. It goes back to 98. Let's look 1998, December 2. Ford.com. There were no graphics. It was all graphics. Wait, they didn't have graphics or they didn't cash? No, nothing's loading. So I can't tell if it's that there are no server in the 90s was just that bad. You got to go through the interdenome. It's actually going back to the actual. So I'm at dial up speed right now is what you're saying. Yeah, that's the brilliant thing that Brewster Kale has done with archive.org. I see MP to 1998. That's going to take a few hops. For sure. All right, guys, I'm going to log off. All right, man, good, good work, man. I really like them to meet back. Thank you. Thank you. It was a lot of fun. Alright, have a good week. And we'll talk to you next Friday. Oh, right before you leave, Len. I just want you to know that if you were to wear that suit, you could walk around shaking people's hands, saying it is a pleasure to meet you. I actually I actually would love this. It's a rare pleasure. I wanted to have a little dog hanging off him. It's a rare pleasure. Alright, we should end on this high note. Alright, take care, guys. Thanks, Len. I think that pud drove a snake through his heart. I don't know if it cracks me up more. Your joke or the fact that it cracks you up so bad. I aspire to crack myself up in a way that only Tom can himself. Oh my god. I'm the worst. Yes. Do you think we could get forward from 1999? Yeah, 98 isn't loading for me. Oh, the perfect escape vehicle for escape. Yeah. Oh, man, they didn't even anti alias there. Is that a gift? Oh, it's so terrible. Yeah. It's a this is a vintage. Got it to load. I pulled up 99. I went to 99. 98 won't fail. I'm actually not curious if it's actually going to load like. Oh, you know what it is? It's my privacy badger and all those muckers and everything in my HTTPS. No, I just noticed my privacy badger keeps refreshing. Yeah, yes, in here. I got it. So there's something in the 1998 Ford website that causes privacy badger to go. Nope. Nope. No, it's stealing all my data. Not gonna do that. How else am I going to find out about my Ford escape? I'm going to buy a new 1998 Ford escape here in a moment. Oh yeah, no, there's a there's a recursive script. Oh, in the 98 thing. So it's never gonna load. It's not privacy badger. Maybe it gets better in 2000. In the year 2000. Oh, all right. I love that it was made for 640 by 480. When you wait, and see, this is how weird the auto industry is. Here's Ford's website from 2000 Ford Motor Company. And then you've got the logos of Volvo Mazda, Lincoln, Ford, Mercury, Jaguar, and is that Aston Martin? No way. It's so hard to tell because it was made for 64480. Wow, you have to go all the way to 2000. Yeah, Aston Martin. Really? The Ford Volvo Mazda, Lincoln. Yeah, Ford used to own all of them. Really? Yeah, they own Aston, they own Jaguar. They had Volvo. So you think James Bond's driving a Ford? No, he's driving an Indian owned company car. So Ford doesn't own them anymore. No, they sold the divested. Professor used to own Lamborghini. Now you're gonna tell me that Budweiser isn't an American beer. Well, you still in Time Warner. Yeah, I was setting up in Bev. I know. I don't even drink beer. And I know that. I know. That was a big deal around Williamsburg, Virginia because we had Busch Gardens there. Busch Gardens. Did everyone stop going? Yeah, I've been there. So you've been to Busch Gardens Williamsburg? We did a band trip to Washington DC and played in a parade at Williamsburg. No way for real in Williamsburg. Okay, that's yeah. All right. I thought Busch Gardens was a burlesque show until someone sent me straight. Burlesque show tonight at the DNA Lounge is Midnight Murder Mystery Hubba Bubba Review. Hubba Bubba. Or it's they've got they've got double hubbos. So it's not the bubble gum. No, no, I think that's probably trademarked. But they do have both hubba and Bubba. Are you with the bubble gum? Was it Hubba Bubba? Yeah, it's what we're talking about. Was it? Was it? Yeah. I was a bazooka joe guy, you know, I really wanted me those comics. Hubba Bubba was great because it wouldn't stick to anything, especially your face. When you blew bubbles, there was a whole thing you blow bubbles and it would pop and you wouldn't stick it, you can stick it back in your mouth. I don't remember if it was actually Hubba Bubba or there were also some like knockoff brands, but there was a cherry version. Because I remember that gum was like a head. I made the mistake when I was a kid of eating the bubble gum that came in the back of the baseball cards. It was horrible. Those things were horrible. They were just I used to complain. It's like, why do you put gum in here? Just leave it out because only people will be buying for the card. All it did was damage one of the cards. That's all that. And then make the whole deck smell like bubble gum. And it got worse over time. Although for a short period, they were selling a Hubba Bubba like a package that had like little cubes of gum at the bottom and that wasn't half bad. But they were more expensive. Gum was bad for me. It would pull on my fillings. So I stopped. I didn't have fillings back then. You do now. I do know Hubba Bubba was the ones that made bubble tape. That was bubble licious. That's the one that had the red. Bubba licious had the cherry one that I really liked. He's sticking. I'm sticking a food product you can't eat in my mouth and masticating on it for an hour. Yeah, man. Strengths to the Acer Detect was in a school band. I was. I played the quads. See he's been he's been everywhere. Yeah, it's going to make a drone joke. I've been to Greenville, Illinois, Pocahontas, Illinois, Sereno, Illinois, Key Sport, Illinois, Vandellia. I've been everywhere. So it says Pocahontas. I wonder what the with the town's motto or whatever. Like is it all the colors of the wind or something? Well, Pocahontas' motto when I was growing up was Greenville's a dry town. Come drink over here. That's more motto. But but they they're right along Interstate 70. So they have a lot of Indian themed names. 784 people at the 2010 census. That's actually up a couple hundred, I think. Graphics. No, I want to see Gretchen Wilsen. Yeah, I was hoping it would alter her name was Gretchen Malter before it was Gretchen Wilsen. And I went to high school with her. Aren't you special? Aren't you? Why aren't you grabbing your Grammy? You quad playing fool you? She was not in the band, I don't think. Actually, she might have been. I just don't choose in 4-H. No, I don't think she was in 4-H. It's the FFA. That was the other one. Yep. I was I was in 4-H. I was not an FFA. I was thinking about FFA, but it's like, you know, you guys just weld together and combine like parts and a lot of my friends were in FFA and they got those cool jackets. Like like Letterman jackets, the FFA jackets. They were I think they were corduroy kind of a navy. Yeah, corduroy is a symbol and your name stitched on them. Yeah, so we had the same thing in FHA. The feature hackers of America. It's pretty great. Interesting. Like our instead of home hack, you took home hack. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we learned how to balance a checkbook and phone freak. It was pretty good. The ones I remember from high school were kind of like the I learned how to balance someone else's checkbook. He just had a balance a checkbook in high school. Yeah, totally use that skill. You were saying, Roger? Oh, no, it's like, I don't remember these ever. We had a lot of FFA, I do remember like some satin ones that kind of look windbreaker like the ones you would see for the rotary club. And SoundCloud's taken forever to process my track for playback. These are some pretty interesting folk. Well, I have to wonder if they turned everything off again for the weekend. Yeah, I should probably get going, too. I gotta get ready for current geek. Thanks, everybody, for watching or listening, and we will talk to you Monday with Ryan Belmont.