 Yes, welcome back to Queens Wednesday on YM the morning. My name is Barry Moses or it's by one social media Yes, so special thanks to Alex and Val for always starting on Wednesdays on a laughing note As I always say if you interact with the video that you think might break the views make us laugh or make us mesmerize Send it our way on white 5 for channel on Twitter white 5 for underscore channel on Instagram and white 5 for on Facebook It's time for strength of a woman my favorite segment of the week for sure and my strength of a woman of the day believes in In the kids if you want to build a society you build it from the ground up And if you want to secure a future walk with the kids because the future is in the children Kareem Boussana Future of rent All right, your camera is number four Just introduce yourself with all the titles and all the credentials you have. Okay My name is Vivian I'm born again. That's my first credential But I also work for the children and teens in the diocese of all Saints Cathedral as children and teens coordinator and also an actress with camellia men and TV But most of all, I mean A servant of God, servant of God. Yes. I just help me pronounce that second and third name correctly Wajiko Warido Wajiko Warido. Yeah Oh I'm trying to say the best way Wajiko Warido I try out of 10 Six six So remember your social media as I say white 5 4 channel on Twitter white 5 4 and the school channel on Instagram You know right 5 4 on Facebook interact with us. You can hit me up directly at it's very more one jico Warido. All right. I'd like to take you back to when you are studying mass communication. Yes There was a time like that. Yes, you had a passion for this. This is something you had a passion for and I still do you still do Have a passion for it. Yeah, I believe that the media holds people and Right now everyone is on social media TV Movies all these things are influencing a lot They're influencing people young children right now are always on TV Everyone is actually In the media and I believe that if we are to impact change then we have to start from where people are In social media in TV and in all things in all things to do with media I think first of all our criticised In a good way criticize everyone Including myself Yeah, this this should be I think a way of Be saying that we should find at least in all news sometimes. It's very sad It's it's very sad to watch news because there is nothing that is good I mean people are looking for hope people are looking for joy is something to smile about you just talked about smiling and People are looking for something good, but our news is just sad everything is wrong So it's a bonus to give that hope. It's a bonus to put that smile on people's faces That's why we have breaking views for the way for that for that matter But sometimes when you look at how though the society said What makes news? I'm sad things and we are in business, you know sometimes it's it's very difficult to Bring a story just because it's a happy story and it's not going to make the news I think it's a culture that can change and We have always I mean news is something that is wrong an accident that you know three people are not regarded Three people who have died are not regarded to be big news Like a hundred people who have died, but that is even sadder and I'm thinking But I think Killing themselves It's a lot of suicide. There's a lot of depression Mental health And I think that if we are in a position to change something we should change something All right, and you're passionate about communication because you think communicating is the best way to change to make change Yes, all right. So after studying communication You're a beautiful woman you easily would have ended up on TV as a news anchor But you chose to choose a different path wait, I did not choose Like I wouldn't say I chose Because the story is actually very funny once I finished journalism and I have a passion for acting So I'm a part-time actress and at that time Business was good. I would say that That was a time where people would stop me on the road and say Vivian, I saw you on a certain movie. I saw you somewhere and you're doing good. I had 600 people liking my photos. That was an achievement for me. I've never made it to six hundred So I was doing good. I would say I was doing good and that at that time Producers I would have like three producers needing me at the same time but this time I was coming from Actually a stage play because I was doing books at some point and when I'm in a car when we are in a car And I'm just seated on my own. I like I like Dozing off when I'm in a car. So I was so I was to the best of us Dozing off at that time and I just had a voice from the back There was a lot of noise. We were in this car that is coming like all All the actors and actresses at that time So there was a lot of noise, but there is only one thing I had and the person said from the back I cannot tell you who it was, but I had if you are the Jonah in this car Please just get out and I knew the Lord spoke to me Wow, what was happening in this guy that made I think there's a Jonah in this car and we need to get Jonah Actually, they were not speaking to me. They were they were just having a discussion But the Lord just highlighted that into my heart. It's the only thing I can tell you I had What do you do next after when you get home? So I knew that the Lord was telling me you're in the wrong place If you know the story of of Jonah, you know, he was in this sheep And then yes, I had to throw him So after that I knew I knew in my heart Something was wrong and I have always been a church girl. And I knew I was doing the wrong thing like I was doing it the wrong way Putting After that I got a lot of conviction in my heart and I said I'm quitting. So at that time I quit everything I quit TV acting I quit stage plays don't tell me you quit Instagram 600 likes You didn't But you know like it had an it had an impact and so after that I did not know what to do And I stayed for two months And I'm still waiting on God and I'm telling him you told me I was doing the wrong thing So what are you eating at this time? And now you're paying? savings and Thank God for my cousin who I used to live close to so she would like call me Tell me come let's eat supper together. So I had a Bit of help, but it was becoming very hard. I wouldn't pay my rent at some point and I was telling God You need you need to show me what it is that you want with my heart And so this one time I go to a conference at Old Saints Cathedral Here just opposite Serena and they usually have a youth conference every April so that is in 2017 general conference or for women. No, it's a youth conference It's a youth conference. Yes, so I go and I don't even have fair to go home But I'm telling God you told me and I need I need you to tell me what it is I need to do after here because I don't have any other way and I don't want to go back because you told me I was doing the wrong thing. So I I I Live I go to the conference and then at the very end, you know at the tail end where they recognizing people this one has been here some guy goes to the stage and He says I'm reverent so-and-so. I don't have permission to call his name And he says I do this and this and this and this he had actually four posts And I'm like gosh that guy is doing so much and I'm doing nothing So I go to him and I tell him You have so many things Can I help you? So I offered to help and he said you want to volunteer and I'm saying yes other time I'm staying in think around that the office in is in kind and he's asking how will you make it and I told him I just know I just know that this is what God wants me to do. So I will help you So I started with typing minutes Cleaning his office. I would I would be a T girl even at some point And then from from then on they saw some potentially me they give me an internship Which I start doing in that office. That's the Dowseson office for all Saints Cathedral and then after that They see that I can do something and they see that I'm talented. What are you acting friends and your? mass communication friends doing at this time that you Volunteering in charge they actually don't understand what is going on. What are they doing at that time? Are they making some money? Are they living the best lives? Yes, how do you how do you relate to this and now? How did you how did you? How did you just manage to go through this? Well, there was a lot of separation Because they thought something was wrong with me And so we did not communicate a lot and I kept on telling them I know that the Lord is doing I know the Lord is doing and that language it does not make sense to them So they were like who you something is happening to give you and so just so there was a lot of separation All my producers they just thought I have a face In my life where I'm confused or something is not happening in the right way So I did not have friends actually at that time. I was just me and God just you and God And God put you through it. Yeah, and and he did and after that internship I learned a job From nowhere with no qualification section is zero Equations, what was your title? What was your JET? At that time that is when I got this job that I'm doing now The Diocese and children and teams coordinator that job is done by someone who has a Theology degree someone who has worked with children before someone who is clergy You know with a caller is nothing No theological education. She has but you're studying theology right now. Yeah. Yeah, I am I'm studying theology right now But at that time they were giving me that job. I had nothing. All right. Yeah Theology doesn't come cheap Bachelors degree in theology doesn't come cheap. How do you manage to finance this? Once I got my job now I was able to sort of like plan myself and I could raise a bit of money plus also the church Helps me a bit of money. So I'm able to pay my school. Yes. All right Every when somebody gets when people get into ministry they picture themselves as TD jakes Speaking to multitudes of people and impacting lives and speaking some grown Folk stuff, but you chose to work with kids first. Did you choose it or did it choose you? The Lord chose me. He did he did because if I told you I knew anything I would be lying to you But you know what they say the Lord qualifies the ones that he calls He does not call the qualified he qualifies them and that is what the Lord has continued to do in my life He has taught me how to deal with kids and I have always loved to play with kids not to Like teach them at all, but he has continued to teach me how to work with kids and I'm so grateful for that And I actually thank the Lord for taking me through This because I know that we can only change society We begin down there when we start from the ground up because I want you know such a fucker they already corrupt what I leave a home or they cannot change this country The kids are the people who are going to change this country. Yeah Yeah, and I believe in them. They have a lot of potential They have a lot of potential and and you see once you have taught a child This thing they never depart from them Yes, and some of the things that we say the songs that we sing father Abraham Yes, and you never sing them for a very long time, but you never forget them Yeah, even so many stories about the Bible you learn them as kids even the language even the accent that you learn as a kid There's the one you'll cry for the for the rest of your life. Another thing is kids say the dumbest things sometimes Have you ever gotten a question from a kid and you're like, okay, this is a very tough question Something questioning the Bible sometimes Have you ever yes, do you remember all the time all the time especially when it comes to doctrinal issues The fact that you're telling a child that there is God Jesus and there is the Holy Spirit all of them are one God. Yes So that confuses them a lot they are like what how is dad and mom and child one person like You know cuz they're trying to think about it from what They can see yeah what they can see it as yeah, yeah, yeah, but it becomes An issue to actually try to explain that having found a way to explain it over time There is no Can explain the Trinity to a child because In a way that they would fully understand you know at that time the doctrine of the Trinity is had even for us Don't understand. I just accepted it because it's in the holy book But I don't get it up to up to date. So it's very tough for kids to get it But the Lord has just a way of communicating to them, you know, you just teach them that there is this and With time you will get to understand it But sometimes you as you said you don't you don't really understand and that is a mystery of God that there is so Many things about him that we don't get but after it's done you look back and say oh that was him That was him All right, so sometimes you need to see the actions of God to comprehend what is all about Yeah, because our minds are just so small, you know, and even the Bible says, you know as far as the heavens are from the earth So are my thoughts away from your thoughts. So you're like This is just God. This is his thing. Let him just be God. Wonderful. Another thing is You were a kid someday And you saw your generation now you grew up the games you used to play. Do you think it has changed for kids now? The kids now are different. I Think we are the ones who are changing It's very hard to expect an answer from No It is it is true because kids always want to go out and play They want they actually want to just have play with mad. They want they want to be kids. They want to Swim go to, you know, but my niece cries for phone nadis Yeah, because we are the ones who have exposed them to those phones It is because our child sees you and you know, our child will copy from you. They actually won't listen Yeah, they will see what you do and copy it. So you're always on your phone. So they'll be like, what is this? They're always on their phone. So I want to know what what is that in that phone that That's what you're trying to tell me. You cannot teach your kid not to play with the phone You have to show them not to play with the with the phone by not using your phone when you're around them Yeah, yeah, because when you're like this, they're like, I want to play with you Like I want to build But this is what is catching your attention. Actually, it's very Weird that kids are looking at what is catching your attention and going to it Well, you're the one who is supposed to look at the child and know what is catching their attention and go to To play with them, you know, so they want they want their parents Kids want their parents. They want to learn from you They want to draw from you because you're their first role model as a pint But this is what you're showing them. So that that is what they would copy Oh, I'm learning so much of our kids if you're learning as well And if you have any queries or opinions, watch 5 4 channel on twitter white 5 4 underscore channel on instagram and white 5 4 On facebook. Hashtag is one the morning. Hashtag is queen's wednesday. We are with the future reverend is our vivid All right, so vivid Moving on, uh, you're uh, you're you're you're studying Theology. Yes, you're about to get your bachelor's degree in theology I'd like to know. I was I was setting there in in school How many are you in class for instance? um In a normal class we usually like Between 20 and 30. Yeah 20 and 30. Uh, how many queens are there? What percentage I can tell you for sure like we are three in our class three out of 30. Yes Wow, that's that's what percentage. I don't know. That's like three That's like one percent Wow, and the interesting thing is um, finding someone young. Yeah is is all different Yeah, it's 10% sorry. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm actually the only one in my class who is like young The others are way older like women who have already have children and They're done. So they they they've come back to just learn and give back to society. What is uh, why are queens not picking up the micro for one inches sharing the word with us? I think they're there, but there has been a lot of uh Uh, I don't know what to call it to call it stigma or what society that people wants to Discourage you a lot. You you you actually told me that I would have landed a job in media. I would have Killed it. You would have slid it. I would have slid it. I would have slid it. But then um I I chose a different path Rather the Lord chose a different path for me. Yes now I know better But um There's a lot of people actually talks to me and said vivian Why are you why are you doing this thing? It sounds crazy to some people. Yeah. Yeah. Why why would you Leave baby. I think leave all the fame that comes with uh acting leave all the attention that comes with 600 likes You know, they would have gotten more Yeah, yeah, so it becomes hard for a girl especially when People are just discouraging you But I am I'm like when you are young that is when the Lord needs you I mean not when you are old and you're looking for a time and job What do you have to say about the bible verse that says women are not allowed in the What do you call it the the synagogue? Actually, we could we could do us a whole study on that It is wrongly Interpreted. All right. It actually it actually is when paul is talking about women and actually even putting their Covering their heads What is he really talking about? Is he just talking about covering their heads? He's not He's not I I should probably have a session to just preach about that I think the christmas episode the christmas episode we are going to have you just to preach about that in particular But what paul is talking about he's talking about the leadership Of a man to a woman when he's talking about that The truth is it is It is the order of creation that a man will be the head of a lady That is what the lord Said and when paul is trying to is talking about leadership He is talking about these women not going out there and and disregarding the authority of a man because At that time the the people he's talking to the women are acting as if you know We are not married and we can do everything that that that we want to and a woman just stands there and there Maybe their their husband is unable to has does not have the gift of teaching In terms of teaching the word, you know You can have a wife who has the gift of teaching the word and you don't but then the wife just goes out there And shines and does not regard or give respect to the husband Shine is supposed to be shared Shine is meant to be shared I think the people who are married Would tell you that every Lady shines out there is is because their husband support them and we ought to respect that You cannot you cannot have Shining out there if your husband is not actually and the reverse is also true every married man that shines out there There's something the woman is doing. Yeah that we might never know about So it's a support structure women are strong women are strong women are strong actually when people Right here, it's all here When we when people are talking about strength, they should actually reconsider. I think women are stronger than men All right, that is a debate for another day after the christmas episode We'll have a debate or whether men are stronger than women or each one of us is unique in their own way But yeah, uh as we as as we sum things up. I'd like to We you can't live this place without talking about the relation between church and state obviously because uh There's a lot of talk going around Politicians should not be giving money in church fishes say We are not to judge. It's upon the lord to judge We cannot allow certain people to come into church and let other people outside because they are politicians Then people think this and that about them and we cannot accept offering from specific people and Stop taking offering from certain people. Just So you have studied and known that I am a nankikan and you have learned that my art show Made a statement about that I'm not putting on a spot. I'm not saying But yeah It represents the Anglican church. The bishop represents the Anglican church and you remember of the Anglican church I'd like to to know what you take on this first of all, I would like to say that I honor the the the wisdom of the archbishop of kenya who Who is actually The leadership of the Anglican church and he's actually my boss So yeah, so I actually agree with him because there are the consequences are more It's not only about the money. It's about the things that come after the money Uh, I think you've had even in let me come down to wedding committees, you know So it is if the committee gives you money, they are the ones who say what you Will do Money is actually very strong money's influence. Yeah. Yeah, so when when the archbishop is talking about money and the church He's trying to protect the the image of the church that we ought to have That say in terms of what we stand for and what we do not stand for but when you come and give us millions which is not Is is is it will help in terms of development and all that It will mean that you would also want to have a seat in our table when we are discussing things of the church You want to sit down and say blah blah blah because you give you feel entitled So that is what we're trying to avoid that let us separate politics from church Because honestly, well, there are some leaders in in like David was a prophet in the king at the same time But still at the moment where we are at when when we allow politicians to come and take The podium because they are giving us money then we shift their attention from god to the politician Which is wrong? Which is wrong for sure. Yes. Yes. So what we're trying to do is Protect the church protect the church of the church. So I actually agree with him. All right. You actually agree with them But still church is for everyone. Yes, it is and everyone is welcome Everyone is welcome to church. Yeah, we still need to protect the church. Yeah. Yeah, and god has to be the order of the day It's not a politician. You know, sometimes you go to church and you're especially during the times of Elections you you find that the the sermon takes 20 minutes And the the whoever is there like maybe the governor or the senator is given a whole hour Which is wrong. I mean very in charge from your face. I can tell it makes you really sad and Another thing I'd like to talk about is More and more people are shine off religion because Because of many reasons they give many reasons some people will say Pastors are abusing the church Because of the ones that are highlighted by by the media as you said The media will give attention to the bad preachers and the good preachers will never get attention But yeah, people will shy away from church because of such reasons some people will say religion is the cause of every problem we have in this world because This religion is fighting against the other religion. I won't mention the names But we have terrorism because of religion. We have all these things because of religion What would you tell that youth right there? Who's looking at the world looking at Syria and saying this is as a result of Muslim and Christianity conflict and looking at countries that have war that are That have been caused by religion and they say no, I'm not going to associate myself with this Let me just be And eat this what are you going to tell that person first of all The underlying factor is that god is love God is love and everyone who does not preach love does not preach god First of all, if you are preaching that I should kill someone then you're not preaching the true gospel Because god is love and even the apostle Paul says even if you can do everything you can speak in tongues And you can heal and you can do all miracles miracles, but you don't have love Then you you're not preaching the true gospel. But then what I must say is that Christianity or other religion is a relationship between you and god And so it's not about the third party what that pastor is doing what that other one is doing It's not about you and that pastor. It's about you and god when you stand before the throne of god It will be god and bury and asking why did you not do this and this and this and this ask yourself About that do you because when you stand there you won't say it is that for literature and it is that preacher It will just be you and god and so it's all about you. Don't look at the outside world Find your own Spread and related and talk to your spirit. Yeah, and you know god is alive He is he is and the gospel is out there. This is evident. Yeah. Yeah, hallelujah I hope you got the message from wherever you're watching us from if you had started doubting the word We had a stay from vivid vivid the last question of the day in many male dominated industries We have women facing challenges here and there and this is definitely male dominated industry So what are some of the challenges you're facing and how have you overcome them over time? First of all, I think the challenge that we have as ladies looking down Upon ourselves because we are ladies and because the society has a way of looking at us So I think the first thing that you must do is make a decision From your heart and follow it and so long as you have the The spirit of god and the spirit of god has actually Spoken to you and you know, you know, you know, you know, you know the one that does not have any doubt That the lord has called you to do this Do it and do not do not like look at the challenges because everyone has a challenge one time the other time sometimes People don't don't look at you With with then either they would look at a man with because you're a lady They would not expect you to do something because they think you're a weaker Grace the weaker species, but I think And I believe that We ought to believe in ourselves even more no matter the challenges you've got to push You've got to push I mean if you want to break that wall you you can't break it in a day You have to keep hitting and hitting and hitting and that is what I would want to tell every other lady If you feel that you want to be a doctor And you it's not only here You know in in in the not only in ministry Whatever it is that the lord has called you to do because even being a doctor is a calling I mean, I can't be a doctor first of all because I can't deal with it So this is yours. So whatever god has called you to to to get into and he keeps He will equip you for sure. Yeah, he does whether you're a woman whether you remember. Yes. Yes. Yes So you've got to believe in god Before you even believe in in anything else and then believe in yourself Don't believe in any other thing because the world is a point All right So kids who uh, who keep playing with their phones And the parents would like them to know the lord a little bit Where do you teach these kids and when I'm at the diocesan office our offices are in kind Paul's in cathedrals diocese Offices are in kind at st. Nicholas and you can find me there But under me I have like 12 parishes. So I'm always like moving around. It's like I'm in one place But at the office, you will find me. I can help you get materials to teach children We can engage in trainings for training the teachers training the parents on how to deal with even transition for teams We do all that and you know, we can come together and and you know Something that is beautiful. Okay Can you install on jesus is king I First of all, I am not you. I am only a human being. I am not god. So I will leave the judgment to god All right. Have you listened to it? Maybe I haven't you haven't listened to it But I know um all the issues that I Like you know about the sunday service in everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I am not I'll bite and share it with you. Thank you very much for coming to my in the morning We appreciate you keep doing what you're doing and I'm looking forward to having you back so we can dissect that Thing about women not being allowed in the in the cinema, right? Yeah, we should all right We've come to the end of strength of a woman. We had Vivian right on set future reverend She's passionate about kids and uh, yes, she uh, she works with all saints cathedral That's diocese. Yes. All right. Ah the lingo Wow I'm going to learn the lingo. So that is it right now. We still have girls to come in up your way