 So this is really, really important, is the way I want it to be conducted. And the, I'm going to do this. Oh no! Good hands. Teachers need this, that's right. I ran out of juice on my computer, so I'm struggling over here. So as I said on the very late agenda, that just go around and tell what is happening on our board's commissions. And the reason that I think that's important is that, you know when we come to the CIP budget, you know, we don't know sometimes what each board or, for example, the library or the senior center has been asking for, you know, to be expanded for a while, I have no idea. And those things I think we should know about, and I know that we can read the minutes of all of these, but I'm not going to do that. There are too many of them. So it would actually just be like the highlights of what's going on that you bring back. So I'm going to start off and tell you what's happening. I can tell you a lot about the current budget, and I'm going to press quarter, but I think how about a rail has done a great job of explaining it. And for me, this is the most, one of the most important things that our area, the front range, is going to be C happy. And I think everybody on council should be up to date on what's happening with that. And the other thing is that I wanted to, I didn't read all of it, mainly because they went to the one of the meetings. Yeah. So the thing about the front range and passenger rail is that we need to get some of those dollars that are the infrastructure dollars. And there is an application form for a grant called the CDIP. The, should I just remind my head, it is the plan for the district actually. We have to have that plan, we submit it to give, there's $500,000 that we can get to actually plan our service delivery plan, which would be everything, operations, number of trains, hours, easements, everything that we need to actually plan a rail district. So that is due, if I remember correctly, March 24th. When we met with both the MRA, we met twice actually with the M-Track, who's very, very excited about this rail district and they are really excited about bringing the north-west corridor into the rail district, which is the main reason I am on that board. So we're working really hard and I think that our general manager Andy Cartian, who is incredible, he's almost got that written that to apply for the $500, it's the corridor development plan, that's what it's called, to develop the corridor. So it's almost ready to go, FRA, I never know if they're just paying with service or if they really mean that they're really excited about this district and so far they are. We need, anyway, I just wanted to give you an overview of that and this article by Colorado Rail, something like that. The other thing that I wanted to report on was DRPA, the cost of what they want to do to bring us into a hundred percent renewable by 2048, like everything else has troubled. So one of their big costs, and it's only because we are using that on the market, is the cost of turbines for wind power. It seems like the competition in the United States to keep going on a hundred percent renewable is pretty fierce and the only place right now that they can get those turbines from are in China, is China. So there's a lot of competition there to get those, to get them made, to get them in on time, et cetera. We do buy that wind power from other states or from other utilities and markets and it goes through our wires for, so this is just a real basic overview. The other thing is that it is the batteries. So the batteries now that are out there are not capable of giving DRPA, or really any utility company, the power that they need to store to run a hundred percent renewable utility. But Jason Frisbee and Raj, I don't remember what's that saying, they toured the United States looking for more batteries and there is a company that, they're pretty excited about California that has battery storage up to a hundred hours rather than 25 that they have and it would take a line of batteries so that we have enough storage to build the gaps. The company that they were interested in has chosen DRPA to do a test or a pilot program to test these batteries. It should happen sometime late spring or early summer. So I think that's really exciting because we need to know they're going to work before, before we invest in anything. Let's see what else we can tell you about this. How much out of batteries do we have? No, no, not yet. The other thing is that Eddie, who is the marketing person for DRPA, we've talked and I told him we need, in my opinion, we need a huge community outreach as to what is happening with just placards basically step by step by step. What does this mean going from gas and oil? What is the conversion? Why is it costing so much? Can we get there? Followed up by a tour of the plant so that we can go out and see all of the solar panels that are out there, the DRPA has already put in. And I think that visual, he said that would absolutely work instead of Jason for his view. It would be kind of like a traveling show where they would go from the four communities because we need to start doing outreach to explain this, to explain what we're doing. So that's it. The other thing is that on Dr. Cog, we're discussing how our Cog, they were including housing funding with our transit funding. We're starting to combine it and seeing that one, especially for going to urbanization, we have to be able to address both of them at the same time. So that's what we're discussing now with federal funding, grants, et cetera. And then I'm continuing to work on homelessness, constantly traversing our staff because we need our residents to share that we are having forward movement on this. Can't just keep talking about it and listening to the complaints and asking, what are we doing? So I have been working on it for the past year. And hopefully we will be able to bring something to the council. So that's it for me. We're not questioning. We're just going to go around. No questions. No, let's get through everybody's updates in a minute so we can see it. Otherwise, the questions will take eat up our talk. So this is good. Who wants to go next? I'm really short. Five minutes. I have three boards that are very active and have passed how they can make more of a difference in terms of policy. And I have advised all three of them that they should bring more resolutions to council because otherwise we don't know about all the good work that they are doing. And so there was a miscommunication of some sort between board members. But the airport advisory board has a sustainability resolution. And then they, for some reason, somebody thought it wasn't ready and they cancelled the last board meeting. So it's going to come in March. But I am at the best of the right who did both to be edited in. I really didn't know if I was better than the draft that started out that was drafted. But I thought it was very good and clean and not prescriptive. It doesn't make the city do stuff. It just gives the city a good excuse. So we're very happy about that. There is a new chair of the senior advisory board and they asked the same question, how do we get more in front of the council? And the first thing that they're doing and I'm working with them on this is to figure out how to get more diversity on the board because the populations that we need to serve the most as the senior center are not well represented on the board. So I have an appointment with Don, the art container, and I already met with Carmen and we came up with a bunch of action items. And I'm taking to Don, been to Don for the weekend and meanwhile, Art, those are out recruiting people. But these are recruiting people who are already leaders of the community. I would like, and they may not have time, I would like to do outreach to people who are not leaders of the community. So we're going to try to figure it out. One way is to make the proceedings more accessible. And the sustainability advisory board is really, they are in the same position. They are, they're struggling with some people who are wanting to advise counter to the majority in the board right now. So sometimes it's hard for them to get majority, but they haven't done anything worth sharing yet. But they're very strong. I can go next, because I didn't do my homework. But I can say that we, the community housing advisory board, they have a new chair as well. And the last meeting, which was virtual, that's the only one I attended, Molly was doing her presentation. And then transportation canceled this month. And then last month it wasn't virtual because I was out of the country, so I didn't attend that transportation. Last month, so proceedings was canceled, but it was, I didn't get to go this month because it's the same time as women housing services. Usually if I'm here, I go from here and they run over there. Yeah, that's me. Whatever, whatever. I'm sorry. I apologize. I would have had a summary of everything that was going on, but I know I'm on other stuff. Art public places are shuns now. So, yeah. So, for the museum and library boards, both of them have, a large part of our discussion is around the, you know, no, library, recreation, you know, just, so the museum seems, the board seems that they're in support, in support. You know, they know that there's money, they know that they could, you know, this is something they can stand behind. The library is a little more vocal on, you know, we'll just, there's a lot more questions. And they, you know, they, I guess their priority is really, how are we going to attain that preferred level of service? And so they're wanting, before they get behind it, they want to, you know, see the answer, they want, you know, just, I guess, promises, as to how much the library, they, you know, the city can commit to adding that they're joining the library. They did get a new sorter, so it was pretty exciting. I got to see it, out there at the library. So that was a great thing. You know, it just helps get people out from behind. You know, just a better use of people's time So they're out there with the community, or with their patrons, rather than sitting behind it, so it works. So we got a chance to speak at that. There was discussion around, you know, getting the math testing. You know, I think that they did do, and correct me if I'm wrong, staff, they did do, just like a brief test of what they did with the LJL to see, but everything came up fine. So there's not an issue that they did more out of, you know, if they hear somebody say something, they'll respond. So it seems like they can prove proactive in that regard. Yeah, so then the RCAP, so Sean is taking over, but when we made the transition, it was the day before the meeting. So I just went ahead and went to the attend of the meeting. And one of the things that we're talking about, and I can't remember, I don't know, Charlie, but I forgot, the name of the process composting facility, A1, A1, I think it's, is there another one? So I know that there's one of the processing facilities, and I believe it's one of the users, that will no longer be taking, they're only going to take organics, because they have people who are putting in the compost non-composable in the clades and other things, so it contaminates. So they're, you know, as a board, we're trying to go look up for solutions. I think really, you know, just the driving, this kind of drives the point home that we need our own regional composting facility. So the other one is just too big for them to navigate, and so now they're happy to grow. That was the other thing, is that they won't accept, or they'll discard the composting that has paper bags, because you cannot see what's inside of it. So they'll take the compostable bags that are the clear, you know, you can kind of see through, yeah, the green ones, you can kind of see through. They'll accept those, but I believe in starting in, like, end of April, beginning of May, they're going to toss those even compostable items. So we're trying to work and figure out ways that we can assist, and ensure that we can get a robust composting process. And the other one, the NGLA, the same thing is that Marcia, County Member Martin was saying, around the group wants to be more proactive in the decision-making process. So I think I've heard from a few members, even when I do my updates, is that they really want to be able to, I don't know, play more of an active role in providing feedback to us, of what we can bring back to council, and us asking. So rather than it being just the sit-and-get, they want to be more proactive in the process. So that was one of the reasons why I asked the survey about how to be involved in the NGLA. So any opportunities that we can. Again, I encourage them to come forward in public invited to be heard. But, yeah, we can really tap into them as a resource, because they're going back to their neighborhoods and disseminating information. I'm also part of the Youth Council. They're doing, they have their focus groups. They have their focus for the year. They're revolving around, their focus is around Earth's environment stewardship and mental health. So that was very exciting to see. And we gave it to them on purpose. That's, yeah. I can be quick about it. The golf committee doesn't, they meet like every other month. So... But the golf committee is really interested in golf. And the conditions of golf courses and the dynamic of the model. They are keenly coming with the updated sprinkler systems that were funded by around 2018. PRAB is, and I guess the last PRAB meeting had a medical procedure that couldn't show up. So, but I will say they are keenly, they're very enthusiastic about potential of a bond and they were, they received a copy of the solicitation in the RFP that has gone out for a feasibility study specifically in the Recreation Center. So they're looking forward to contributing to the data gathering process. I will say there's, I think there, I don't think it's just me. I think they're still interested in knowing by the end of the year, you know, what are the milestones. Not trying to, not a gotcha, just have some idea of what kind of, how we mark progress on the big projects, the priority, the big eight projects and then the project economy and so on. So, that's kind of what they are. So, two of my boards are, they're commissions and so they have a very specific function of planning and zoning and historic preservation. Planning and zoning extremely thorough. In those meetings commonly go four hours just a couple items. So it sits along the process and they do a very good job with their tasks. They don't do any retreats or really come up with any sort of extra kind of projects. So, I suppose the historic preservation kind of has a similar function in the sense that they're approving statutory items. They're very picky. They're very specific. They don't let a lot of leeway go as far as historic homes are concerned. An example being a homeowner recently came for a certificate of appropriateness to replace the windows at the home and they brought a representative from a new old by Anderson which as one might imagine not historically accurate windows. So, that's the kind of things that they're dealing with. They do have a retreat, they did a retreat last year and retreat coming out in the next couple of months. And then one item that continually is on their agenda that affects us as we previously met with them on the historic overland district they're continuing to talk about that and are eventually seeking to have another joint meeting to continue to discuss this historic overland district idea. While I'm on public media I think we've all got the email that Sergio has stepped out and is still acting as executive director until they find somebody to move. They're really doing it. I think Ryan forms is mostly to credit for a lot of the new programming they're doing specifically on Thursday nights. There's other things and I think that probably is helping with subscriptions which is part of the sustainability that they need for their economic model. As well as the fact that they've added a lot of, for those who aren't familiar, a lot of other services that they weren't previously offering such as that kind of sound recording to be a small scale so it wouldn't seem like a rock band or anything like that. They also have in the last few months or a couple of months started their own online radio station. They want to take it to Restreal as well and I know that they keep having conversations with the owner of KG that we need because they're large. Yeah, George. So that's for their community solutions is pretty much continually focused on bus rapid transit. They don't really give a brief nod every now and again to our efforts towards front range passenger primarily their main focus is bus rapid transit baseline obviously the diagonal with 287 who will talk about it a lot. I somehow my email address got dropped off the list for the Color Municipal League Policy Committee but that's since been rectified as you can imagine. Legislature is not a session that I want to do much but now the legislature is in a session that's ramped back up and I can characterize it that as you can imagine there's a lot of different opinions on any given piece of legislation based on whether they're rural communities the size of communities and those kinds of things. I will say I am large local authority is the theme of the day when it comes to state legislation trying to hold as much authority as possible. I think it's all online. I have just one bit of information to share with you. I know they recently hosted a field trip I think a third grade was in Alpine it occurred to me to have achieved the status where it's worthy of teachers taking kids out of school to go there because there's something that is a significant milestone. One thing I forgot to mention is that next week the 28th I am going with Gary Castriana who is the mayor of the Broomfield and hopefully Ashley Stoltzman to RTB to talk during their PITBH session of the board meeting with our elapsed one talking about a different finance model and I talked to Debra and our two directors about NDC which they thought was worth bringing up and the partnerships that Debra Johnson talked to me about helping us with interest city transit so we're going to talk to the board about that so I might be a little late but I'll be back because it's a by the clock unless I do zoom in but I don't know in person anybody that wants to go anybody that wants to help us out talk to RTB let me know so now we're going to run the second half which we're discussing the stadium dollars and I asked Erin who would be that I have a couple questions just mine gives thinking as we have about half hour left until the LHA board meeting starts we're going to be limited on time again so I do think that the questions are a good framework to at least start with those questions being if we don't have government promises what are we trying to solve or address the greatest need that the $980,000 $480,000 19 cents should address anybody would like to start so I can start because I get fresh off the library board meeting when they were asking because the other thing too is well how come you didn't recommend the library funding and so it was I had to explain for me and this is where we share the idea is we have a group of kids in our population who are disengaged with schooling they're not into sports they're not they are kind of falling we're losing them we're losing them to games we're losing them to easy money through criminal activity and how we can find a way to get them on track and so for me in my connection with the youth council was I wanted initially what I was thinking before I was for the money to go to to go to children's youth and families when I spoke with several staff who are engaged in that department they have programs they have people to do a program they don't have a place to support that so they're often dependent on less than ideal venues or buildings so it was kind of looking at a way to we thought with one time dollar if we go towards program once the money's gone the program so okay what's something that could be one time spending but still enhance an existing program so that was the rationale behind that but really me it's getting to the kids who they are using to help them get on a positive track they're having a positive result figures in their lives that's right and since we were on a together I could just piggyback off of her and just mention that we did meet with services and ask them what are the possibilities what do they want to see how do they what do they want to see the programs how do they want to see it enhanced and as councilwoman with Dr. Farron mentioned that to extend the programs and to expand the programs is what's needed and so have options for those kids who not only may not play sports but have other options so that's when we came up with a facility that can offer all of those different options for them whether it was gaming or whether it was when we hosted games from from there and they have some place on a camp or other opportunities for them are inside of the area and it doesn't have to be a dome but whatever it is we just wanted it to go to moving services so that they can expand and extend their programming and just have the opportunity to realize their vision for the kids so yeah um I basically agree with that in terms of the urgency that that please first be interesting okay oh good so Shakira and Susie have absolutely identified in both urgent need that that is the group how to serve that as a best use of one-time money I think needs to be discussed more but that's absolutely the right group I mean you know here's what I would first of all I would I would agree I would disagree with in terms of need in a priority population just the two things kind of resonate in my head with this money one and this is going to be a bit of a stretch of a metaphor but we've all heard it about teaching someone to giving someone a fish they fish for a day teaching someone to fish they fish for a lifetime and the idea of of using money that gets spent as a program and then it's gone like giving a fish as opposed to investing in something that serves kids for a long time for me the idea of investing in something in a capital expenditure makes sense from my perspective whatever it is whether it's the museum or something else the other is there's one way to think about this and that's solving problems there's another way to think about it and that is pursuing or realizing opportunities I do think it takes you in different directions and I think we've got serious issues we need to address as a community I am right there but I also think there are times we're not solving problems but we're creating new we are pursuing possibilities and creating new opportunities for folks and I do think that's what the idea that I've asked with the museum part of the bigger motivation for timing for me on that was more the donation from the Steward Family Foundation in terms of a catalyst to propose something so I'll think with others here about problems to solve I also like to think about possibilities to pursue and if you've only got so much money to spend one time how do you spend it in ways that serve kids over a long period of time and not how much money would be spent or as well spent as it would be in terms of problems solving it right now around some urgent needs what might it do over a long period of time sure so I after the Kensington Park shooting Big Della and I talked about that but he called and was very very his community very concerned and afraid about where their kids are going and with the information that we've got from our safety, public safety to you in what they're experiencing I think that I'm not sure anybody has a solution that would be long lasting or every community faces this and it seems to raise its ugly head but what I looked at was what do we have on the other side of town for the kids we have this one which is a death row basically that's it we have the youth center that offers some things to kids but it doesn't offer a it doesn't offer the ability to expand what they're doing makes me very nervous especially since we got the input from our staff on what is going what's happening there now with what the kids are doing also from the school district as to the amount of children as young as Tim been talking about suicide and I don't know and I don't know what anybody knows but over the years the pandemic has isolated our children so much that they haven't socialized they haven't gotten out and the reason I mention this that part of it is because when we were at the NLC city summit that was a huge conversation about the country and we see it again in our city so as far as the museum I think what you're proposing is to separate the combining of the dollars I would rather see be honest in the 2024 2023 budget 2024 year to bring it up as a capital including their project and work it into the budget process it isn't that I don't want them to have money I wish we'd done that for the library to say we know that we need to invest more in this museum we know we need to go let's look at the budget and see how we can do it and that is going to be a long-term project it's not going to address something that we might need to do fast so you know Vic's conversation and his nonprofit by the way after he came to me and we found out about the stadium dollars in August so I called him and I said hey this is out there and it falls right into what the parameters might be for this so I think there's a way we can address all of it but I would like to see something in place this summer because that's when kids are out always to go and I have to be honest the kids that are into some of the drugs and about music they're older and they're not going to go to the museum and they don't go to the museum and that is a problem so looking at our city holistically we need to make sure that every child has something that they will offer them in their off times to enhance their lives to get them out of themselves and that is my thing alright so I have obviously no expert in what kids want to do these days about the kids and my pieces of nephews are over 20 years old so you know I've heard anecdotally that there's not enough for kids to do I think everyone's heard about it you know and so I think program is a good thing and expanding that program to include stuff like e-gaming would probably be helpful if there's a kind of avenue to do that as far as a space to do it the money because obviously those kinds of gaming systems um but I think one thing that we don't think about sometimes is the social because kids that don't want to play sports or whatever or there's no social outlet when I grew up here the indoor mall was a nice kid to go there was a roller rink and I worked at that roller rink and there was lots of most of the time it was youth and we just don't have the, generally we don't have those kinds of facilities anymore and even though they were private facilities I think I do remember going to something like a dance or something like the youth center I don't know if the youth center doesn't have that kind of program anymore it's more just social activity based okay it was tight then too so that's why I've suggested for my opinion sticking that money in children and families because generally they know a lot more they're much more than a subject expert than I am as far as where they're lacking whether it's programming, whether it's space whatever that happens to you and that's why I suggest that just because I don't feel necessarily qualified to make very prescriptive allocations so what should it come in Yeah Harold and I were trying to as usual to the credit card for hours worth of conversation into 90 minutes and the way it always does we didn't get to the things I really wanted to talk about but Harold you showed me a survey and we went through it so fast that I didn't really even get the providence of it but it was a survey of young people of the age that were worried about asking them what they would like to do and the main thing I remember is that by far a place to hang out with my friends was the number one and then a bunch of other things that were more like programming followed that and sports was kind of down there and actually music was kind of down there around there but can we see that we're going to bring it to you when it's ready so I'm having to cut the data but that was the survey when we had the neighborhood meeting for the shooting that they're going to use sooner and everybody kind of talked about what's going on and what do we want to see and so they surveyed kids and we're going in front of the the the advisory board was involved in the survey there are some different groups that they targeted ages I think from grade to 18 and so once they get that pulled together then we will because I was seeing it on an aggregate basis and I wanted to get more specific to see what are we seeing by age groups because the reason they did that was really kind of to inform the youth staff or the city staff in terms of based on what we're seeing where do we where do we need to in terms of the services that we're providing one of the things that was interesting is youth counseling was something that was on the top of the list and these were kids that self-identified and so but again I have them doing what they've been working on because it wasn't telling me as much as I think it was so the reason that I asked for that is one it seems like it's information that we need and the other thing my concern with this because I've heard over and over again we're using a segment of kids and I would say the older ones are the most at risk because when they graduate from high school they're lost, they're lost we sort of don't have nearly as much input as we did before on it so I'm just really interested in what can we do that is really agile and while I kind of am gravitating toward Erin's channel of let youth and families decide we're a government bureaucracy not known for agility so is there anything that we can do to like fire to make sure that something does happen this summer and that's where I am and it doesn't have to happen tonight but I think I think that it needs to happen in time that if we're going to put a boost behind a couple of programs that we should do it and that's what I have to say I think Harold pointed out that we do have unused or underutilized space especially in the summertime well, good time but we do have that and although we are limited in terms of the kind of transportation we can provide I don't think we're limited this way I think we can send kids from the youth center on the east side to Isaac Walton in our bus and we're not violating our covenant with RTD and so that's one of the things that we can do is let's I think we can survey those places and say oh, we're going to hold the dance here we're going to hold interesting things I have a group I haven't even watched them lately but there's a local private group that's just masterful about their youth programming maybe we can get them involved in terms of programming some of those spaces because they are very resource right, they hold things in the attic of the entire house art center it's done but I bet they could handle a better place I don't think they're the only ones but yeah I think that we should use for this summer the space we have and the people we have try to do something fast so when you said busing down to RTD our contract is not with RTD I didn't say anything it doesn't violate our contract with RTD if we bus our kids using our city bus oh, you didn't say city bus I don't want kids there I want to use our stuff so you mentioned the dance thing you counted it so at one time we used to have iDrive do you remember that do you guys know? I know the name so I know this my children have got into trouble in the past they have to participate in the program however it was a very positive so having those positive mentors there so it kind of brings me back to now that that's gone you know we have the kids who have kind of just kind of fallen off track but there's no support and so one thing that my daughter really liked about it was having other kids who were like her not ones that were severely at risk and are dealing with drugs and alcohol in the home but they were just coming from the same families like ours and they just kind of went off track and they were there with counselors with other youth mentors so having that you know it's like I feel like we're kind of losing we've lost that in programs like iDrive I think they're still in existence but they're not so that is there's some we're lacking in some so far as the next steps obviously this is going to come back on the agenda of course and I assume that a job is going to look very similar to what it said last week so I don't know what counselor would think but I would kind of one way or the other just start actually getting through these motions and see where the chips fall I mean that's that way we can hopefully avoid you know charged conversations as much as possible I think we've had all the charged conversations that we have are you looking at me? are you looking at me? are you looking at me? if you're like family I only yell at you because I yell at my family so you're all like family I don't know that's just my recommendation but I'm happy to deal with that the other people who I yell again they are my family so we're not family you know I understand could we just clarify one thing? I don't want more charged conversations nobody helped me here and if you would just when you made reference to not perception I'm close in terms of what you think either me and I think you're talking about me in terms of improper behavior yeah nothing to do with anybody acting improper well I said the appearance of improper variety I believe from a certain public point of view that when we have something like Latinas voices proposal and then we have the DELM proposal and the museum proposal that it kind of might look like in my opinion a council member voting for DELM or museum could have the appearance of improper variety because we're council members which do I believe anybody's acting improperly absolutely not there's no accusation made in my statement I was just trying again to maintain and help continue the public trust as much as possible in our body and these are not my not necessarily all my own thoughts they're thoughts that I've heard from other people surrounding this whole these conversations as well as how it's been presented and so that's where the spirit of Mike on escape can I just address to Marcia's point I agree with you with everything you've said however in order to give those programs up to give in all of the things that you mentioned that we should be doing someone has to do that on staff and that youth programming usually is review services so I don't know if that's what you were looking to do like the dance is or whatever in different parts whoever creates those events aren't similar that goes to usually review services what I think I was leading to there are two things the public certainly has a perception of because everybody had their own preference but not everybody and those were the only ones who got a hearing even though it sounded like in the first meeting that other people would get into and I thought other people would want to get a hearing so it's not a surprise to me that they reacted that way but the city needs to do something fast but we don't have our staff do it we subcontract with somebody I don't know why we can't find people who do youth programming with subcontracts and I think that's a way that everybody would be satisfied so well unless anybody has anything else for about 5 minutes still 7 I just wanted to thank you for mentioning that about the public sure you know there's public calling for recusals from the votes well and that was what's weird for me I thought if I have a proposal should I even be voting for any of the proposals so that's something that's kind of was in my brain it just didn't make sense also then who's left but I also think that we bear to staff as well and before we even talk about the proposal we wanted to make sure that if this is feasible reasonable and if we could actually do this and you know we know the money was on the table we wanted to make sure that we were intentional and letting the public know that we wanted something better for our youth that's all we were doing we weren't you know there's nothing improper about that that I can imagine if you two were worried about work and I don't know I don't think I was involved in any proper activity in terms of bringing an idea forward so when we use the word impropriety that sounds like somebody has done something wrong well of course we're talking about the public here so they always have a perception of impropriety but the word's being used here among us well what I believe the root of the perception of impropriety is the idea that it went from looking inclusive to looking exclusive I just want to say to you two I have no question about your motivation for your approach and I don't know what the cost of a dome would be but you know I just don't know but I understand the motivation and I don't question your heart and what the purpose of your proposal was in remains I apologize if I don't want to accusation anybody it was not meant to be that way it was a repetition of the public move and I've got the same kind of feedback from probably different people so going forward when this comes to council again on the agenda let's just go for up and down votes and go ahead let's go you asked me if I was willing to withdraw my proposal and I said no I don't want to withdraw it but I do intend Tuesday night to bifurcate it if I can and I'll take the upper down vote on both parts of that that's what I meant but I'm going to bifurcate it if I'm allowed to do that to say can I make two motions take one up and down and the second up and down and you can actually make your resolution whatever, whatever is easy if it's already put in the agenda well the easy thing is the direction that we have is to put it back yes that's a heads up for Robert to support you you can do that so we're not really taking input from the public forgive me, within the study session will these ever have a public united deeper portion not the study session this is just for us to discuss an informal thing so thank you for allowing this to happen I think it's really important that we just talk to each other next month I would like it to be on ethics the first couple of issues on what we would have a lot of time if we could at least get our thoughts out and talk I think it's very, very helpful and we have a set of data I need to talk to you about that what's our month or March schedule is a little different right it is a little unclear because of the LC we're going from 7-14 to 21st correct which one is the study session the 14th is a study session followed by VOC okay maybe the 21st and then so let's do it on the 21st if possible and and then after after that one I would like to know if you think these are helpful or not let's don't keep doing this if it's not helpful and that's up to the counselors to be inside that and did you think this was helpful to write yeah I think it was helpful but us to talk yes and I think we all kind of know what each other are thinking on the agenda we already have discussed it amongst one another and I appreciate you saying you know 19 what's better happen so yeah I think it's important and I think we got the link that you can send out on the efforts and do a C send out a C and B yes the handle you added it on there so that's all for now