 Excuse me gentlemen, we're going to go ahead and start the meeting. Oh, it's all right. Getting on six o'clock is Monday, June 20th, 2023. We're here at the John Public Media Room. And we have guests from all over town who have a really quick meeting tonight. We're going to have some general public comment to start. And then we'll go on to the local concerns of the Gallaghery sidewalks. And keep me, I'm doing the... People see on the screen someone waiting for the meeting. I'm missing something. We've got Nick joining us. Okay, let's go ahead. Is there anyone in here tonight from here? Just for general public comment. And so that will be coming up with the GRB discussions coming up a little bit. We'll be doing that. So if there's no general public comment, we'll go ahead and move on to the local concerns for the Gallaghery percolation study. In terms of state of mind, we have Chris Hunt, Chris, do you want to roll up? And Emily Lewis as well, from DuVois and King. Hey, what's your name? Where should I sit? Great day's fine. Or wherever you guys can be comfortable. Go ahead. And they've gone... Actually, you're kind of overseeing this project. Do you want to kick us off then? Well, I mean, we're just, you know, basically getting them right. This is, as I understand it, the first phase of before starting up. Oh, we had some more. Let's start. And so, you know, we walk the gun to the site, and they walk the area that's under consideration for the shared path sidewalk. And DuVois and King now starts to go through, put it together, all the facets of making it happen, you know, engineering what's in the way, what way, how to move, how to get laid out. And this first step is really to get some help with input. And then DuVois from there. Of course, we're going to do that. We'll facilitate that, or how do you want to start that? Yep. So there's a presentation. Yeah, to have... I think they're going to laptop. It's just that one, right? You can log in if you did. Okay. Enjoy that. You can join on the Zoom. Just share. We'll show the chat. Ah, I know. Sorry. We have some other people here. We have some people who are going to show them that and speak to them. How does the world view look like? Yeah. Great. We need the leading ID or whatever. So let's give it a... So I hit enter too soon. Now it's being picked. Is anybody first? Is it? Yeah. Get right into construction season. We'll have to never finish the lines. Um, Sasha could get that for you. Hey, Sasha? Do folks live in the other makers as well? Mm-hmm. Great. Thanks for coming up. We're next to the makers. Oh. Thank you. You're right. Thank you. So you have some neighbors to join. Yeah? Yeah. You should be able to shut up. Oh my god. She's a neighbor. My mother-in-law. Good. I can't connect. Is that your email? I can't think of a matter table. Mm-hmm. Yeah. If you haven't got an email, why don't you just send it to Sasha? I'd send it to Sasha. So it should be in a jail. Somewhere. In a jail? Somewhere. Somewhere, okay. I think that's a good idea. No, Kylie. No. Don't mean Kylie. No. There's a lot of trouble. There's a lot of people out there, so... No, no, I'm not. It's been a long time, you know. You said, oh yeah, I need to... You said 20. Yeah. Here we got a public comment on that. So I was just chatting because that was a little too much. It's not a word though. Alright. So, okay Emily, you can go. Alright, thanks so much for having us here tonight. Emily Lewis, landscape architect and planner with Du Bois and King. There are a few other members of my team that are not here tonight. Dan Ballack, who's like that. You go ahead and continue. We're also part of our team and then we're joined by Chris from Petrans who's helping lead the effort from the state side. So is it being shared to Zoom? So we're good to go. So they're kind of, when you're in planning you have different levels of effort. So your strategic plan or a larger tell plan has a lot of public involvement. All the things you may hope to happen in your town. Scoping studies have the next level down. We're looking at a specific area. We're looking at it to determine what might actually be feasible. There's a lot of preliminary cost estimates in there. Get a lot of public feedback and involvement. And then that's able to be utilized to apply for additional grants if you have able to do final design and construction. And then ultimately you have your built improvements. So the public involvement goes from very high at that larger strategic plan process to all these different levels that kind of steps down a little bit through each one. So the project today that we're talking about today is looking at continuing sidewalk from the intersection of 100 and Route 2 down to Gallagher Acres. The study is required to look at several different options including no build, which means not doing any option. And then we'll look at both sides of the road. I think there's a general idea of what might be preferred here, but we're required to look at all the options. We'll look at environmental constraints, physical constraints, things like utilities. There's also an archaeological and historic study that is required to be a component of the project. So if there are any features of note that should be avoided or taken into consideration. So one of the first things that we did, we went out and did a sidewalk myself, Chris, and Don. There's a few others there. Looking at the corridor and seeing what constraints might be there that we might need to take into consideration. So we know that there are some underground utilities. There might be future utilities in the area. There might be road crossings, several which that are quite wide at the moment. Stormwater infrastructure, particularly on the north side of the road, adjacent property uses of the cemetery. That would be considered elements like vegetation and fences that may need to be relocated or replanted depending on where the sidewalk might go. And we'll look at configurations as should it be directly adjacent to the road offset from the road. And so from there, we want to get any feedback from tonight, any concerns or questions that you may have about the project, local knowledge that we might, that we as consultants of the state might not be aware of. We'll start designing those concepts and then later in the fall we'll host a second public meeting to review those different alternatives recommended alternative to present to the town and the town before. That's it. Short and sweet. Any questions or comments? What do you want to see? Oh, so I'm from the Francis and this was Frank and Gary on my husband and son and we live in the gallery for a few years and so we love, you know, walking into town, find our gallery, go to the pedestrian, it's a pretty treacherous so we'd love to see something that's, you know, kind of accessible so vipers, strollers, anybody can get from our neighborhood into town and connect over that sidewalk to start to bring by snow fire. So right now it feels like we're kind of cut off this pedestrian's when the weather is bad. So I use that kind of techniques. You can do it in the summer but it's not safe. You can't go clear ground but it's around about a week ago. So I mean I see us using this multiple times a week because the family in this neighborhood gets older and we'll be able to walk and bike into town and, you know, wouldn't have to ask this. Yeah, I guess my wife person and I this is our son Miles. We moved into the gallery about two years ago to four years ago now and yeah, I've enjoyed walking into Waterbury. There's lots of amenities. Farmers, market, restaurants, things of that nature, playgrounds, kids that are nearby. We've made a trek I don't know, probably a dozen times already seems like this winter and summer. Definitely a great improvement to have some place for I don't know, probably 20 or 30 kids in the neighborhood are always riding their bikes around and as they get older I imagine that's a lot of area to live. And besides being pretty truckers in the winter, as probably mentioned, the intersection of Route 200 and 100 is pretty expansive and always because we're kind of playing a game of chicken bag, you know. There's always cars turning up to go to stove and all the directions and we're kind of trying to cross by fairgrounds and snow fire so I think maybe signalize you know, crosswalk or something like that would really I imagine going hand in hand with adding accessibility so there's a sidewalk to that. Yeah, there's no way to do it directly as if that should be good. There's no right way. So even though I have been buzzed by a big truck, I wasn't in the right because I wasn't in the crosswalk, but he definitely wasn't in the right to buzz and then... My name is Udi, this is my wife, Elisa. We also live in Calgary, Paris, and have a one-year-old son. Super similar stories that I'd like to reiterate because there's just blocks there unless you start walking on people's lawns or a fairgrounds road and then making an illegal crossing on 100 said, but this summer presented no problems as well. So yeah, same story. I just wanted to reiterate it. Thank you. Appreciate that. Is there anyone else online? There's Paul trusty. Paul, do you want to make a comment? How about Myra? You're planning for us all to talk about food tape, but yeah, we agree with the neighbors and just everything that's been mentioned already. Thank you. When you think about this, what material do you envision? Do you envision sidewalk, gravel, like wide enough to accommodate bikes and pedestrians at the same time? What's in your minds when you think about this path? Well, you think there's lots of trailer, but I go by, so I'm just having my space. Curve in as well. Good curve step. The closing curves to the joined sidewalks to connect them. If you're going to build on both sides, you're going to want to come across the road to the end. But some sort of work on your section is something we're going to do with the clouds. I'm assuming I'm just asking if we're going to be parking along that road to the sidewalk? No, it's just going to be pedestrian access. Yeah, I'm like, there's not enough right away for a sidewalk. I'm excited to see the road. The way I see it being on the challenge to take the sides, that would be the preferred side for the sidewalk. That's what we've been saying. Yeah, we're walking along the grass there. That allows you to connect at still fire. It seems to make the most sense to cross there as opposed to crossing across the road. Yeah, you're going two crosswalks by doing a good balance, right? I'm excited about that. I have a different culture. Is this the 40 or even 50 coming in from Moortown to Waterbury? It's the 50 in terms of 35. I'm definitely coming into town kind of hot. There's probably never any police officers on Route 2 there. I think definitely having something with the green space of kind of a buffer zone would be nice. And I know curves are more expensive. Elevated to and kind of have that protection. Is there enough room for green space and a sidewalk? Pretty far. To be determined. Yeah. It's not super tight kind of at first glance. But I want to take a look into that. Are there any other alternatives you guys can think of to get a section of the road off of the road? If the curve is right on the road, like pylons or something like that especially on more closed areas? If it's a sidewalk, there has to be some type of barrier between the road. If we're going with a concrete sidewalk that you're used to seeing like in the village here so there has to be a curved area. But yeah, collineators or pylons, there are different options for high traffic areas or more dangerous curves. Also if I know that shared use path is also an option. I don't know if longevity is an issue. We're doing asphalt and you know belching cracks and ruts and curators and things like that. This sidewalk is the option to go with. I don't know if my plane also would be able to be put in since you're getting a little bit of width there. Are there planes further up route too? That's pretty sketchy. Once you get into town there's quite a few ways to move on the road. There's breakdowns of parking spots and the road itself goes down to 25 and it's much, much more plinkable. Of course there's sidewalks once you get past no fire. It's a matter of just the distance from the neighborhood to that corner. What is that distance? About a third of a mile. There are so many people that live here but we're just out of breath but it's for a month and it would be better to walk. So now that we've done this here, what are the next steps that we need to move forward? So the next steps will be on DNK. We'll start with alternatives which entails looking a little bit closer at the area, looking at where the right of way is, what are any obstructions that reside within there, be able to determine how much room might there be to be able to do sidewalk, right adjacent to the road, or can there be a buffer? I'm going to start looking at some of those options. I'll continue to meet with Chris and with Don to review those. And when do you expect the study to be completed? Somewhere in the middle of this year. And so the next step for this group will be an alternatives presentation. And that will be do nothing do this, or the side of the road. Or it could be this side of the road but two different options on this side of the road. That kind of sounds like tonight it might be the direction we want to look at. At least take a cursory and look at both sides as well. There's a crosswalk and putting the sidewalk on the other side it's hard because you're not going to have the warrants. There's a lot of factors against that. Yeah, they're unpopular. And typography issues and subterranean things there. I wouldn't want to cross that. Yeah, so we'll just kind of look at it and kind of note those issues as to why and then once this feasibility study is complete at that point we can go ahead and start looking for funds for the cycle. So this is a transportation alternative for the study that will qualify for design construction or through bike pedic over those programs that we did for this. If we're completion of the study or can we move forward? Probably can't without. Yeah, I mean the study will be the application pretty much. Well folks from Gallup Rakers and about, I appreciate everyone coming in tonight, whether it be online or here in person. Any questions? Pop-ups as you're going along. This is a long-term process here and this is another six to eight months while they're putting it together. Feel free at any point to let us know about your thinking and come up with some new ideas. We'll be working with Du Bois and the King and Chris Hunt from the state. But we will certainly get this feasibility study and hopefully you move forward with a sidewalk for you. Don's your municipal project manager so come on and filter questions through him. It's pretty easy to find out. Also just as an aside for this if you could please make sure we can reach out to you and get a contact to deal with the folks online as well. We are one of your neighbors in Fairground Laura Gaines. She instigated the speed change to 35 by writing a letter to each end. When she heard all of this and dropped it to 25 you can't because the speed is coming from 50. The only way you can drop it was to 30. The process could be revisited to get the speed from 50 to 40 to 25. We are going to try to move forward with that and write a letter that supports young neighbors and folks in that area. So that would be great. We are next to gold. We'll be kind of 40 all the way. Is it going to go 50? Yeah. Probably the easiest is have it go through Sasha at the select point. Send something in. Thank you everyone. Thanks Chris. We'll see you in another part. We'll see you in the next meeting. You guys all set? Go ahead, move on. The next topic on the agenda tonight. Yeah, it's good. Our next topic tonight on the agenda is GHR and GHR Enterprises. Are the owners of the salvage yard on Route 2. They came in and we're looking for a certificate for approval for location of the salvage yard. And as a board we decided that we're not going to sign that specifically because the place is looking pretty run down and not really conforming to lots of... Yeah, you guys would like to introduce yourselves. I'm Steve Everon. GHR Enterprises. So what are your plans down there guys? The place has got fences falling in, fences falling over. As you know what we purchased has been degrading and we are doing our best to get it fixed up and we are going to continue eventually with the brand new fence. We'll repair what is falling down now as required because the state says shielding. It doesn't specify that it's got to be a great shielding in. As you know it is not a great shielding but it's our goal this year. But one to find a fencing company that can do it has been a challenge. The site overall has improved and people coming in have said it looks better than it has but it still is a scrap yard. Our goal is yes, new fence, some of the balloons should be coming down next year too. Especially during spring in that, like anything we've done for years and making improvements. Definitely the fencing has been on our list and we want to shoot that southern fence fell so we did put up some shielding as the state requires. Isn't it beautiful? Not at all. Do you want to get something better in there? Yes. It meets the state requirements I think and we are working to get something. Do you know any ideas that you are trying to get? Again, finding a fencing company has been the hardest so I've put out three bids and have cut literally no return. We use Google Earth to show what we want. It's about 300 feet of new fence. The northern part we don't use as much and probably we'll eventually do something different there. But if we have to we leave top that we may put the fence in ourselves because we can't find anybody. I also want an excavation company so it makes it a little easier for us. But we haven't pushed it. And now that you are pushing us, we will... We want to have good names and work with you. We want businesses in the town. I'm curious, I'm not expecting to see but a nice fence. An appropriate fence for a junior. I would like to sometime, I don't know whether a site visit might be up for everyone or not but somewhere we can get some agreement so we can get your certificate but also get some assurance of what's going to happen at the end of the quote. We definitely give the insurance. If you say, hey, you'd like to see an in France by X amount of 8 through your S2 and if there for some reason not, you believe in good documentation like that's not happening. The coal as it's called. We do need to get it in a month this month because I think it ends in August and then in four hand. We do the shielding and that's what they call it. You're meeting the shielding requirements. It's not pretty. What type of deadline would you like to see for us? I'd go by that site fairly recently that there was definitely pieces of fence that were just not attached. That's faith effort to repair those. Yeah, two by fours. We try to get over there maybe the pressure of the holiday we're running up against. How about we say we can get those packages up sooner rather than later. Prioritize those and get those up and then as far as new fence, I guess I'm just going to have to price what it's going to cost for us to put it up because as I said, we've been through four companies and just you know what gets back to you. I think you're fairly busy over there though. That's why the fence isn't fixed. It doesn't make a lot of sense. There aren't a lot of scrap metal places in the state really. You guys like bold up around here, right? That's about it. You've also got a permit from the state too, right? We have to provide the code. We knew the fencing has been issued and we're trying to address it. Fixing it? Long-term goals are to improve how we are working on improving the lawyer but time and money has been our biggest and we've been going through a process for the fall that's almost completed and we should be able to start making some more advances. This is the goal that I mentioned we have a new fence on. A new fence and do most of our stuff on concrete rather than your... That was going to be my next question. I mean, I know metal recycling and scrap metal, which you guys are doing really important. I've always been curious like the fluids and the liquids and the oils that come in. I'm sure the state must be watching you more than what we can possibly do because you're right on the musky river. Yes. And that has come up in the year and they've come and did some site visits last year and gave us the thumbs up but we're doing the correct things. Cars come in, they go into the building on the cover of the drain fluids and once we get to a certain amount we ship the fluids out. From there they go from back and then we either crush or bail and then from there it's minimal damage to the earth is what we're trying to do. Unlike the former owner, we're a little bit more conscious about it. How long have you been doing it? Just was this your first data process? Yes, I've been doing excavation for 30 plus years and I just wanted to get into something that is more steady. It's been a challenge. What's your biggest challenge? It's the catalytic converter. It can always be over the state police. What do you need? We need July 10. So by the time July 10 comes the fence will be now. That way and then I'll work on July 10 if you can see the power sheet made on the fence and also what kind of power sheet made on either finding something to do it I think we'll just plan on now to get it done. I think we'll just take it upon ourselves to make sure it's going to happen and if by fall possibly and not definitely by mid-spring next year. That's when we'll have a visit. Like I said we want to be good neighbors. We know we provide a needed service so we'll continue to deal with the town ass. Sure. The 10th from that meeting upon the time as long as everything seems to be going in the right direction. Again we're willing to work with you. We're not trying to be passive but time has moved along a little bit that we need some progress there. Very good. Well gentlemen thank you for coming in. If you have any questions you can use that to Sasha or any one of us but we're typically she disseminates things to us on a needed basis. We need them this time. Thank you. Thank you. John are you ready? Sure. No. I saw that. Thank you John for coming. You have questions about the DRB discussions that are going on. Is any of this need to be in executive session at all? I don't think so. Not that I know of. Yeah if it does that's known but I don't know why so I prefer to be positive. Why don't you go ahead? Well I think what I had mentioned to Sasha was I should come in and talk about primarily the silver appeal. Why the DRB came down as we did and I think I'm bliss rich. I know it's unappealed through environmental division or decision and really we've done what our job was which was to hear the application, rule on it. I think the DRB is kind of done but maybe not because really at that point it's the select board kind of overseeing the interests of the town. And the most recent development there is the zoning administrator. We should have noticed the violation. I've actually heard about a greater article when Dan von Trapp brought in the appeal from that. So I think we will be hearing that at some point. So that process will follow its process and it's really not appropriate to make any comment or prejudge any cause of what the zoning administrator did and how the board might consider it. It's kind of an appeal where there's rules of evidence involved more so than really the zoning hearings so we'll see how that plays out. My Mr. Silva's appeal he came in and kind of explained. We asked him a lot of questions in terms of what he was applying for, what was expected or what was going to happen. The board did issue a decision. I think it was processed as a home occupation and we felt it didn't really fit into a home occupation category is how we concluded but we felt we could approve it as a cottage industry which is a different type of home-based business so that's what the decision did it imposed some conditions in terms of limitations on lighting because the operation and the operation for cannabis will use artificial lighting certain times in the year but essentially and in terms of a security plan and some kind of monitoring and again I think we asked questions in terms of what the applicant was planning to do and essentially imposed his conditions the steps that Mr. Silva committed to so the appeals have been taken and I think the only reason I wanted to come in was I think the town should have an appearance in that matter because part of what's the issue is the bylaw and whether a cannabis operation can be considered a home occupation. That sounds to me debated from my side. I'm not appealing the bump up I'm appealing your conditions and attempting to regulate me beyond what you're allowed to by the state which is just nuisance and so you put in there that I cannot store, process or dry cannabis and that is prohibitive of my enterprise and that's not allowed and so I actually brought the text from Bill H-270 which passed in the last few weeks and it hasn't been enacted as an act yet because it's just in that limbo time and here the language does two things it furthers what I just said and it also creates a outdoor portion of my business so now it's ag exempt and which means that no conditions can be put beyond ag nuisance type of stuff so I have an employee here I brought it for you guys for the week I have no issues with it's H-270 we're going to let it pass without signing it so I brought this to the attention of the DRB the thing about nuisance was already law last year and I also brought that in the zoning administrator actually supplemented my application with it and I don't really know what happened in the executive meeting but storing the occupancy of our college in the street I'm not finished I'm not finished but you didn't dry it I didn't expect you to go as far as you did majority of my harvest is fresh frozen for processing into edibles and concentrates I'm required by state law to dry cannabis for testing to impose that I can only fresh freeze and put them on the truck immediately and send them off without being able to harvest and store the product for any kind of time until I can get it out or that's what you told us you were going to do I was freezing it but it still takes time for it to freeze and harden and be ready for transport I didn't say that there was going to be a pickup truck waiting and they were going to go into mobile freezers that were being transported I said I was using truss freezers to harvest into freezers and the reason I was bringing that up was because the number one cause of odor nuisance is drying of cannabis in unsealed environments I had a plan to bring in a 40 foot storage unit to dry I'm bringing that storage unit in as a part of my outdoor license and so I don't I don't know where this got off the rails what happened was you didn't disclose those things to us well I suggested that you had this other facility that you would harvest the plants you had storage units and they would be so I think what should happen here is you know a storage unit this activity was not described at the hearing before the DOB and I think typically the environmental division can't rule on things that were not presented to us I would present to you that the H2 Saturday was passing and things would change because of this ag exemption and so I'm bringing in the storage unit to store my outdoor plants as far as I'm concerned do I need a permit for that because it's ag I'm growing a farm you told me I couldn't have any employees and I was planning on doing it with just myself my fiance and my partner but now the outdoor portion of my harvest is considered ag so I could have up to 24 employees for up to 150 days you know what I told you was everything I could and during explanations you interrupted me and moved on to the next question that you had because you clearly weren't listening it doesn't matter what I told you what matters is that these are the laws and the rules being put forward by the CCB and they were ignored in creating those conditions there's a definition by the CCB of what processing is and that means the packaging and storing cannabis prior to transportation right so you put no processing there but by saying no processing your state you're basically telling me I can't do something that's inherent to the production of my product and what's allowed to me by the state license you're not going to do any processing on site manufacturing I'm not doing any manufacturing I have an offsite to do manufacturing and so I'm not here to I don't want to fight or argue I want to save the town money and I want to save myself money you know I there are certain things that the DRV can go on and that's nuisance not anything else the other thing I wanted to just state is that the exemptions that I have with ag I'm growing a greenhouse and I'm licensing that as indoor which is what opens the door for this permitting process for that aspect of my business having said that it's a greenhouse which by definition is not a public building is an agricultural building so there's another weird caveat that's happening here so I just don't want the town to impose conditions on that greenhouse that would be any different than what's allowed for my farming aspect because it would feel like that would be a condition that would be put forward in bad faith I have 60 plants there I could have up to 312 there are two controlled greenhouses which we have heating for at night to keep them warm and it's just to grow a finer product to treat those outdoor plants growing 15 feet away from those two greenhouses or have any kind of conditions that are different just seems a little crazy and then having said that I am totally able to control odor and work with the town and mitigating odor the lighting thing I totally accept the lighting thing that's not an issue for me I don't want to upset my neighbors none of my neighbors have stepped forward to challenge this or against this this is a discussion of what would be the arguments that would be made before the board I think the important thing is that a lot of what Mr. Silva plans to do is not articulate it we didn't hear it and we basically approved and recited what he told us the activity would evolve and did put in some conditions that it sounds like he's largely okay with in terms of maintaining security I mean the concern would be that these are very potent cannabis plants and that in the last couple of years and we talked about this at the hearing where there was a growing operation of hemp on Pony Farm Road and somebody came in the night and cut down all the plants as far as it then took off so you know there were conditions in terms of and again largely memorializing what Mr. Silva said he would do I mean I think since he feels the decision is constraincing you know the right thing to do would be to have the matter remanded back to the board so he can come back in and we can better understand what he needs to do and consider that under the ordinance I just want to elaborate I mean if it's true the laws changed and some of the activity is protected agricultural activity which zoning largely does not regulate that may have changed the rules since we heard the application back in was it late April? April 20th actually yeah that's why I don't want to do that I'm just not aware but is security considered nuisance or is that something else I'm totally aware of I'm conscious of not bothering my neighbors at the meeting tons of questions were asked like what are my lease conditions and how do I have a renewal option things that I felt had nothing to do with the meeting but everything I've stated here tonight was supplement to my application by the zoning administrator and she and my application stated as such and consulted with the DRV almost everything I'm speaking about except for the ag election I warned the DRV multiple times just to not overdo it because they're limited by state law and what they can impose on me and I have no issues with doing things that deal with nuisance is something as contractual as saying that I cannot dry store process cannabis given the language of the state law for cannabis is just a non-starter and I'm sure the church is going to see it the same way the CCB already has because they're issuing me my license online you told us you weren't going to be doing any drain or storing a product on site well I have to you didn't tell us for your business purposes you need to engage in those activities or maybe it's exempt under state law it's tricky and I'm going to work with the town it's exempt under state law for all my outdoor plants it's not exempt under state law for the greenhouse operation but the reality they're 50-50 it's strange for us to have a discussion where they're in positions put on half of my harvest and not the other half just because of this weird language of me having lights and heating in there so I can have a prolonged harvest falls into indoor category last year in April outdoor tier one which is 125 outdoor plants that is this year they extended that to all outdoor mixed tiers so the outdoor tiers and outdoor aspects of mixed tiers which is what I have a mixed indoor and outdoor the greenhouses are indoor the outdoors outdoor I'm only growing one fifth of my limitation and you know I just want to succeed I'm renting so how do we get this back in front of you just as I mentioned in the other case it's really up to the board at this point if the town enters an appearance and participates in the ultimately council is going to be responsive to what the board wants to do if based on that input from council and the town you know we support the front of any matter so these other activities can be considered that might be a very clear outcome but it's really up to you guys folks you're on the table you've heard the story here tonight what's your thoughts on it well first of all I mean we need to have more information about this H-27 in whether in fact it is exempt outdoor I can certainly understand as agriculture indoor and not so much I think there should be conditions on it if it's an indoor operation it warrants different considerations well it's a green house well it's a green house with lights in it I've had this discussion with the fire marshal and it's not a public building that's also something I just wanted to really consider it's just that I can't do certain things that you could do for a public building so it has a chain link fence which allows me to create a border and then I have gates that have central alarm system security I also have all the cameras and I have a blue siren over at the house so if anyone breaks the security system it looks like the cops are out I just want to make sure everyone has the information I totally agree with you that if it is as indoor it should be regulated and lighting and stuff lighting, odor anything that has to do with nuisance is what's allowed I have no problems meeting those conditions and doing what it takes to keeping the town satisfied with that so what do you want to do? it sounds like there's a lot of misunderstanding so I think that you should be allowed to go for the board again all right what we need to do is have one get involved one, reach out to you, John I think we're the DRB I mean I kind of pass along my thoughts we like I said in connection with Bliss Ridge we're presented with an application, we hold a hearing, we ask some questions we try to bring the materials and make a decision and then really we've done our role in the process instead of trying to try a case in the environmental division it came back to us from my personal perspective I'm just wondering if that might be a good way to move things forward without excess expense and time for all of us so Mr. Silva, will our attorney reach out to you? Mr. Silva is represented by Langlois so Ron, we'll reach out to your attorney similar to what we've been doing working with Bliss Ridge we will work with you to facilitate permit and try to get all the information that believes in laws and work out something that works mouth for mouth parties just while we've run out of storage the reason I wanted to use the storage unit was to store the product during the short term so that I could take it to my manufacturing facility in Limbson so I'm looking at what they call a reefer box which is a fully insulated sealed box that I can climb and control to store any product that will also have cameras that record for 30 days as required by the CCB so just to put that on your radar we certainly appreciate you willing to do those things we'll look at the appeal, we'll look at what you're appealing and we will figure out how to work with you on those issues John, is there anything else? we have some misunderstandings we'd like to clear up we have some misunderstandings we'd like to clear up John, is there anything else? like I said earlier there's a decision the board made and it's been appealed to the environmental division just that things also have come up actually we were told about a different category that our business fits into since we originally applied for the single family dwelling because that was the only category that our business administrator could come up with as like a, okay this is a very good idea but I think again, it's kind of the DRB and we made a difference and we made a decision and I think our work is done on that matter and then there's the notice of violation which was issued but the appeal from that is to our board so I think it really should be in the context of that appeal and more in the public hearing well that we're hoping that doesn't have to take place and we were told to get a lawyer so we've had a lawyer since the DRB meeting and the town has a lawyer and the lawyers should talk and I shouldn't be in that conversation things have changed since your decision and also there were errors at play there but I think kind of screwed things up and so it just seemed like I said well can I just go to the meeting and explain and then our attorney said oh there's no point because it's not in the hands of the select board and then this has been going on and on and on and on and our attorney says it's really like Ron is so busy right now that it's hard to even get in touch with him so it's like, it's literally been 15 months and we've never had any intention of not complying but it's the most stressful experience ever because we're like okay we'll do anything that we need to do oh look here's the accessory on-front business, this is what we are here are the requirements and so the zoning administrator accepted all of that and so now there's only, and she said the DRB said there was no road frontage but there is road frontage so that's how that takes away this entire argument that there's a setback issue with the moving property and now the only issue that's standing in the way of our permit is the stream that's marked on only the USGS map that is in the top office but the ANR maps do not classify any surface water on the property at all and so they give us our wastewater permit and we follow the septic design which puts the septic tanks where they are and they're not 50 feet from that surface water yet we're still fighting about the tree house being too close to a stream that's not not a stream, it's a drainage but it is classified as surface water so that's the one issue that's now standing in the way of our permit and we wanted to for a moment just resolve one tree house because there's one tree house that's not it doesn't have a stream issue, there's no issue so we wanted to just have to divide the two and try to obtain a permit for that and then deal with this so our attorney advises to do that so that we frantically spend you know staying up past midnight fill out a new application and we think okay at least we can finish construction while we're waiting for this issue to be resolved with the stream because we're in court and then our attorney goes to do that and then I email Karen and she's oh I'm so sorry but I'm not allowed to accept the permit for this tree house because it's already on an existing application even though everybody acknowledges that that makes no sense so now we're stuck and it's weeks and weeks and weeks keep going money is just being, I mean we've spent money but we don't have it absolutely, we're getting to the point where we don't even always having the lawyer is beneficial and maybe we shouldn't have had him because the amount of time and effort that Jordan has put forth to communicate to the lawyer to communicate to the town, to Ron to communicate to the town and then the battle and then it takes weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks. It's just a little misunderstanding that we would like to clear up it just seems so over the top we have no intention of doing anything wrong we got a state wastewater permit and thought but that was it we have no foundation we have our structure does not affect the surface water in any way and then we have this logistical issue with the zoning regulation and the problems that the state maps are different than the one town map that they use it's not it's not a logical issue it's not about protecting the stream that there's no street it's a seasonal runoff that goes by one of our structures and we have a neighbor who just keeps coming in to bug the town again for 13 years for things that don't exist he calls state authorities and has them come out and say and then they see that we're not doing what he said that they were doing and they apologize and they're like so it's like an ongoing issue that we don't know how that resolved but it's a good one. Well as John mentioned earlier you both have an attorney, our attorney John and I know I speak with him on a weekly basis or something sometimes a week about trying to work with you to figure this thing out no one here in the town government that is trying to port things or slow things down you know we're just going through the process unfortunately you know once you get into the court system things take longer and probably or there's not really a common sense used a lot of times or such going on like you said you've got the second one you're trying to permit on which you can't because it's in the litigation now and that's why the zone is where you can't do anything with it but I know based on my conversations with Ron to me it seemed like you were towards the end of the trail here and you were working with the federal government on the issue which is my only understanding is really what's holding you back at this point is just a screen issue is that correct? That's correct but that's been correct since for always it's just that we didn't know about the accessory on-front business category until Ron suggested it's going to happen and that was in 2008 and so we filled out everything right away and come out and sort it out. I mean I'd like to excuse myself that's why I'm trying to get into your session DRB has jurisdiction over that these are things that you know and your matter may come before I'll work in and if it does we'll do what we're supposed to do in terms of listening to evidence and points. Thanks John I appreciate that so I'm trying to get you out of here I know you're cringing because you don't want to break a lot of what you're supposed to be hearing or not hearing and as I mentioned I work with Ron closely we're trying to help you know figure this out for you it's different there's not a lot of case law with it or such to do it but again that's why Ron brought up the home aid kind of finding solutions but you know there were mistakes in the very decision regardless of that accessory on for business obviously that's a very fitting that is what we have always done we just didn't know that there was a form of category for it so that was certainly helpful and then our attorney said great now that we have that sorted out just let's fill out a single application so that you can at least finish your one structure all right again I'll call on tomorrow and that we need to be doing what I think based on my last conversation with him that it was really holding the stream that should be something that we don't know what to do because we can't move the stream it just doesn't show up like a stream on the state maps wait a minute it's not a stream though it's a runoff it's dry most of the year it's like it's like the town can't give an exemption to that the state maps they put a stream on it and they gave us these wastewater permits with literally my septic tanks very close to the stream and lines water lines and lines going underneath it's dry the only time that it's runoff and it's a foundation which there isn't really these things are hanging 15 feet in the tree so they don't affect any stream so it's just like I know like you said sometimes it's like you can't really look at the logic of it you know there's more than one person in town that questions what's going on to it so just don't feel well that's what we're really confused about because that neighbor has a history of going around and telling people things that are not true and getting people angry and we find out about it you guys know it's on the backside of our property up against Doug Gale and they are all AOK with it yes it does not when leaves are off you can see it from the road in November but it's a tiny spectrum there's houses that are way closer to the road way more I would love to hear I just cannot imagine how anybody could possibly say that anything that we're doing is affecting their life the wedding is okay we've been through everything we're not on a regular basis we are like that is tight that is a totally different business and we have taken every precaution and the only person that's ever complained about that is the same person and then you will go and we will tell his girlfriend to file a complaint the other thing is these tree houses the one tree house that we have rented for the past couple of years but people just so appreciate and like our parents come there to babysit our kids our family comes there to babysit and we are like the town is in and we can't use it but we have I hope that this we also have a few other people who were trying to stay that had won the tree house stay in a charity auction we've done non-profit options we do non-profit fund users and we offer the tree house as a big price and it's like so we have a couple people that are waiting to use that and you know we have wedding guests that are wedding clients that wanted to use the tree house as a day use to save their vows and now I'm like sorry Jeff, change your whole wedding plan because again we're trying to work the behalf of social we're trying to make the wish we're trying to navigate this to make it at the end of the day that everyone is happy and just understand they don't feel like they're alone I've been on the board for 12 years now and I will never understand neighbors John's been on here for a year so you can probably tell you the same thing I've just simple things and you just don't understand it and so you don't try to continue to go through the process and we will work with you through the process and we'll try to do it as painless for all and we don't want to be important, we don't want to do business like Mr. Silver, we're not do you guys have a sense of we're not compliant so we're going to be getting fine for not being compliant? I'm just kind of wondering what that is and if we're still not in compliance depending on what we do moving forward without a permit are we going to be getting like a bid or something the idea is that you stop running it and stop building it, is that correct? after the BRB decision was said it was kind of compliant that's when we really look at it, you can't do that as much as we'd love to have enough there, entertaining people, doing things, you can't kind of thumb your nose up at the town BRB and say well you know what well I just, that's how it applies we're not trying to just like we're not looking to go forward and we're not looking for money yes we're not working with Ron and trying to figure something out I mean the fines can be $100 for instance for debt so you could have thousands of dollars that ain't going to be, so don't go home tonight and think that's right, that'll be a problem over the something here, again we're trying to figure this out and work with you not put you in rears or such and as a psych ward we can only do so much anyway it's where we get to the courts and that's in the BRB it's their decision, it's not our decision, I mean now it's finally coming to us where we can try to make it in the market I guess the part that's so hard is that the whole thing is wild, seems like full of misunderstanding but the hardest thing is that they made, there were mistakes in the decision and then we don't have an opportunity to explain that and then a random neighbor makes a complaint and probably got if there's another person, I would guarantee that that neighbor called that person and told the person and then we have to appeal it and take $300 and then we're screwed one person who has a history of being mentally ill whatever, $300 is not that much compared to all that but still it's just a slap in the face we're going to interrupt you for a minute here I have a question if I don't like something and I come and complain to the zoning administrator that so-and-so is doing something and it's not even true then the zoning administrator can make a complaint out and then and then and then $300 to prove their innocence $12,000 to a lawyer no, I'm talking about the latest and the $300 fine to prove their innocence on a claim that was absolutely not true and it seems to me that that's a little backwards that if that claim was an absolute, out of the blue total not true thing then why should I have to pay to prove myself innocent? so what I have it's the latest so that was the appeal and the violation was because you were building and renting but we weren't we haven't been for 15 months I guess since we've known about since the DRB decision decision came out we haven't gone anything it's a sin to say I couldn't even go up and check the mouse trap is how we haven't done it I didn't go up twice and check the mouse trap after I realized that that might really not be a good thing to do I went up there to take pictures for the lawyer today and I said and I was like I don't even want to be here I feel like I don't know there were complaints in here and then the zoning administrator investigated the complaints then she saw my dad's tree house that he was facing she posted this on instagram and saw this on our tree houses she thought we were building a tree house well that was not the tree house no she thought that was ours no it was not so we're like okay how about we ask what's going on what was it what was word for fact so that's why we're kind of like that's why we're here well obviously the lawyer said that they were going to call us and come up for a site visit active meeting if they had further questions and they never called I was calling saying why is this decision taking so long no news is good news and then we got the decision in the mail and they were like oh okay well there's always mistakes in here too that's not true I wrote a frontage now we're stuck paying for lawyer we don't the neighbor just made a noise complaint about our other business and we haven't even had an event yet I didn't have an event and there was a noise complaint so I came down here don't you have to actually have an event like some noise to complain about no but it was a historical complaint so then she has to ask for all the dates but it's fine I thought it was the only question it's the same we understand we know how neighbors are and we know that she's done everything right and so we shouldn't get any problems going forward that's okay it's just shocking to me that anybody could say that have a complaint about a tree cop I was like no there's some kind of a mistake there's no way that anyone could say that and nobody can see them nobody can hear them no the noise was the events but what Tom was saying that somebody else besides that one neighbor complained about the tree houses and I was like how we have people coming to the farm all the time for site visits, for wedding events for friends, I mean there's like it's such people but I don't know and people just made a comment there just because they may not know all the facts and we get what we got but as I mentioned earlier we're really trying to work with you trying to figure this out and working with Ron working with your lawyer again that's and Ron's been working hard trying to figure out how to make this fit into the by-laws constraints that we have I just thought oh Ron used to be the head of the ANR I don't understand like he'll figure out an issue because how is it that the town and the state maps are not aligned it just seems crazy so okay the town says that this is the stream, the state says no there's no streams here put your septic tank right here well I think and that's the thing that would probably go back to John at the DRB because we want to hear in this arena so that they can make those decisions you guys don't know what this is like what does that mean like where are we going back to the DRB how many weeks are we going to keep folding the calendar over and be like okay well it's like the end of the season and yeah just having to shut stuff around and it's more than it's big it's not known it's financial but it's stressful you guys don't hear it probably since you started your business I know there was issues with the liquor permits you know a few years ago when you were starting I want to look more at that point again trying to do everything we can to make sure we got into the permits so it's not international the only issue that we found is that one neighbor at the beginning and the town said that we could increase our permits from 10 of them to 15 but he didn't like that so he appealed it and took us to State Environmental Court and then we went to mediation and came to an agreement and then he wanted to remand got a mediation agreement rescind the agreement and so we got a call from the attorney to get court not court things online if you want to read about that we've been supportive and we'll continue to be but we're just trying to help you figure out the process and I'm sorry it's taking longer than what you would like is there any timeline? I mean Ron's really busy but what do you think? I think it's so it's Ron and then it's back to the DRB we think or just Ron? it's done two weeks on May 15 Ron and all that are there well I think right now Ron and their lawyer are having a negotiation process if you will and I think that will be sufficient for the court and because the court just wants people to figure it out they don't want to make decisions or separate in the present Ron was looking for mediation and that's basically what we've actually been doing we're just mediating between the two lawyers and a lot of that was looking like alright how do we figure this out what is this wonder that's why it was our attorney's suggestion well maybe if we put it into an ag business there's a way for this to work then I called the agency and the lady was really nice and she said unfortunately it's not under jurisdiction to make any type of variance but the town can make an exception for this and I was like oh well I don't seem like they know that yeah is that very you know typically the town are not the ones that are able to make variances on federal law if it's the stream they're talking about she said that the town do it all the time she said that for accessory on variances if the structure contains humans instead of animals that's how she put it then it's not under their jurisdiction but the town is the town can do a variance that's what she said Mary well I will certainly ask Ron if he's been discussing that with the lawyer something that we can do and in fact it is a just a runoff and certainly we're going to again we're going to work with you know I don't know what else to say but as soon as I get a call I respond to it trying to get back so that you folks can move things along so the board hasn't been sitting on anything in fact they come in and let the board know how we proceeded in the last couple weeks and they're rather than wait two weeks asking if it's okay to say you know you know so it's not you're trying to use common sense and trying to move forward do you have a copy of so the appeal is basically did you have a copy of this it's like it says you know we are hopeful that this is not necessary but they had but our lawyer said that because in case there's some type of you know issue with the discussions then they'll lose your rights so we had to do it but we didn't want to do it we don't want that to happen so he's like let's hope that we can come to resolution before that it would be necessary and and I have to outline this maybe there is time so you don't have to and there's other evidence as well that you have that you have as far as the dry stream then? well not that so much the fines and such or the reason you're appealing is because of the fine because of the usage and continuum building is that correct the violation the violation is that I think that understanding I think that the reason why she had to actually do that is so that we had something to agree to which is well yeah we didn't want to appeal but like something that we could settle in writing so then we're like okay and he explained I said so mine was like four sentences long and he's like yeah that's it but I'm going to add some more information so we cured the problem by not constructing and not having guests so I emailed Karen initially saying do you consider us to have cured the problem because we don't have the power to kill ourselves permanently that's what we're going for but we thought that would be done and so we don't actually want to appeal to overcome the construction without the permit typically that's processes you get permitted then you do the construction so we're kind of backwards on that process totally what we addressed there for us there are other examples in the town there is we didn't know that we needed that permit we were told that we didn't and we went to the state and one thing I think that most people think one of the things that if they're going to the state to get the wastewater permit that is what you need to be ecologically on point that you get that and they would mention oh there's something else they need to do or our map is completely different than your town you better check with them they just said here you go looks great so you do have oh yeah we were told you didn't need a permit because it was no foundation no structural there's no no setback issue which is in the tree trees already there I don't know I got a letter because I built a tree house for my grandkids and he said it's more than 12 feet tall so he said it's 50 foot oh the height isn't an issue yeah apparently it wasn't mine mine is no longer there oh no take mine down I don't know we're going to avoid that problem I don't know that's one thing that they didn't say the DRP said that it was a setback issue from the neighbors property but it's not because that lot has frontage and then it's not I'm sure we'll be able to kind of that's the response it's a delightful tree house yeah I again you're all welcome to come use it again we'll have a party we'll have this tree house party grand opening well thank you for kind of sharing your feelings and what's going on it will work it'll work with our attorney to try to figure it out with your attorney to get it done thank you I like our attorney as a person but it's kind of I'm wondering at least how I just can't afford to it's not the idea it's part of my life so if you were to just not have me coming all of a sudden how does that work how does our attorney work with you alright can you have that happen from time to time if your attorney brought it far enough then you'd feel like you could just roll it out like that yeah I mean I don't think he's done much that I've done I just thought of the amount of stress that we have the time that she has spent researching and getting information into all the bits and pieces from him to Peter it's just been like oh my god this is free well the reason why we got him is because we don't have time so it's like I knew you had yourself another career coming down I'm just like it doesn't make sense it doesn't make any sense have faith in me alright thank you you're welcome thank you thank you how about the last one I think the answer would just want me to tell you that your wife had a profound impact on her education she's her favorite teacher oh sorry her name is Bryn this is Hogan Boone Bryn Ballard she just saw your name here and she was like oh my god I'll just get one thanks for everything good night Ruth had a profound effect on my children too I'm not sure if it was their dad but it was profound anyways I don't like it still for sure alright so everything was heard as I said to the Bonnetraps and this is what's going on Jenkins thank you I'm working with Ron he's trying to help us figure it out I'm not sure it doesn't sound like their attorney they're having their attorney but that's nothing to do with us no one's trying to push people through stuff that shouldn't be I mean really Ron came up with this is where this is where we put this it's unprecedented that we're renting out tree houses and so there's you need to be it's a little unique it's a tough thing I see a solution in the works but it might be something that happens tomorrow I think we can get there I'm hoping hopefully we can get there we didn't have a chance to talk really much about the GHR enterprises but it is one of those businesses that certainly is needed in our community or certainly around in the area they seem like gentlemen so with the next between now and July 10 or towards July our meeting people could take a ride out that way you see the improvements a lot of chance on a weekly basis they did it felt the worst the worst one they did something temporary I'm happy with the temporary you know there's no reason not to you know with some working sheet metal nails pieces of stuff is it going to look great they can hammer it out they can make it it's not it's crap all the time I just also remember the previous just going by looking at the open gate to the entrance with the house on the left all around there at least yeah all the way now that we're talking about the fence I'm more than willing to stop in there and to talk to them and say you know I've seen a lot of people and see mentioned resource myself so when I got scrap metal and bring it down there I don't want to drive all the way to and what's the meaning of it give us some assurance that you'll build a fence by spraying it or something like that and you say whatever you want to clean up that area that you've discussed make a better fence even though people don't like that Sasha do you have anything for us Sean brought it to my attention that there needs to be a replacement for a radio and stormwater project please raise the clerk of the work try to find you're doing that yeah I've been doing that is it ever supposed to be two people or something another person I don't mean I don't it's like okay alright your sharpening duties are already done what's that that's all I have what's that right beside um yes is it for you or something no I don't have anything yet don't work for that but at least you still want to check on you no it's true I'm good I was just wondering the sea trail so we're just in more than that around town well it's in cheerleaders house so I don't know how long I'm leaving it there so it's on the railroad right in front of where I was yeah it's flashing me I'm gonna drive on my own I wouldn't work make recommendations maybe it's time to move it doesn't need to be there for a minute oh no yeah so maybe yeah we have yeah okay yeah we may want to shorten that off I know it's kind of a pain to move well I'm sorry Stephens been moving it around until we got the plates for the trailer he's been moving around to different parts of town for like two weeks but he's sitting there and I just had the plate last week so you know whatever couple week and a half week I mean it's a great location from our perspective on I would pony farm road yeah a lot of places yeah no we're doing we're doing for those the data yeah transportation or sheriff's department or something yeah it gets all forward cool and while you were the flashing side yeah yeah that's a good spot for yeah no it's a decision it's too sometimes with the trailer we can put it back here in town just to remind you again we're going to put it on all the side we're going to come in again right around the next couple weeks yeah I'd like to see a utilize most of the pedestrians but then I think about it the river road we have so many bikers and so many renters and so many pedestrians now that's actually a very appropriate place do you have something just something that I don't know a lot of details on just to think about Cory is working on trying to get some more details back I just like to know a lot of it is that there's someone who's interested in renting the town on a long-term basis I think it's weekly to have martial arts classes or something and he has insurance and so stay tuned no details yet the media talking about what the criteria would need to be and how it could be set up and who would be responsible for what but it could be a pretty good thing just keep it close to you library demonstrations Cory is going to be in the next meeting she'll have some more details to the July 10th meeting great any luck on her cleaning well she's going to add up I think she has a well I asked a bunch of cleaning companies that work for my son and stuff and it was a tough sell Don have you been working with library trustees at all not so much I mean a while ago I went to recently I showed friends one thing has come up a little bit six weeks ago Sharon had asked trustees about donations want to know about their account and what they had and essentially said no they're not sure they're not sure I don't think it's the trustees it would be the friends the friends it is a town library the first time she asked it was just flowing off the money is being spent great things the walk which I think we all fully agree it is nice she said because it is a town library we need to report certain reports also just having an account right and then they came back well we have friends a 501 student a private organization so basically quite frankly that doesn't it's something close to us they said this is what we are and no we're not sharing what we have for our clients and we work with the library and the friends and the trustees as much as we can and to have one just basically you know I'll let you know I think that's to me it's a little petty I'm not looking to spend their money I just think it's you know what just like you can have people fire for you know we want to know what you're doing you know what's our budget for the library 40,000 or more they just want to do private stuff they can have at it no let me that's about it yeah okay yeah we also have a complaint or a few different complaints most recently this morning from your members name but he's on group 2 about this the rest area over there people can't people can't so we'll count on group 2 that rest area on group 2 right I didn't notice that I didn't notice how how they maintained it the station yeah so I don't believe complaints with that just the state believes that's their deal but Sasha can you or does anyone know we should probably register over here because like you said it's not maintained no I thought that thing got all cleared out because you know there was a little dicey there and then I thought the state came in and like cleared and the auditor didn't make it like a rest area anymore because it was yeah there's only like one there's only one I think there's more than one but as a sign it shows right it's kind of a sign oh still yeah because I thought they closed it down a few years ago well they because they remember those tall lines yeah so they cleaned that up I know there was a lot of stuff going on right so if you could find out who we should reach out to talk about maintenance of that area I spoke with Ray on the sidewalk he said I guess Joe Gabbard was going to give an estimate or something on the sidewalk he never did so Ray's going to go back to Jeff was that new? yes and he was going to write a check for a thousand dollars so he's going to go back to him and see if that buffer still stands yeah to fix it? with that? yeah I think we're all right yeah I'm sure it would probably be more than that yeah it would and I also spoke with him on the sidewalk and he said actually I'll get him forward to him he shows us the diagram and Thursday morning we're having our kickoff he said we'll talk about it we're going Ray what I said just give us a warm-up of what it costs to rework this side and build what they think instead of what Chris actually told us we could do more of a temporary but then editing a lot and care so to actually build a concrete ramp and then really close up the side yeah yeah yeah it's doable while we wait for the wastewater well actually it sounds like the sidewalk has to go in by next summer because 2024 is what Sherwin said so I doubt the wastewater is going to be happening before then I don't think the wastewater is happening yeah I'm only going right take up the sidewalks oh no take up one side both sides and how far do I go to return now the greater when do we get 12 people 180 180 180 180 20 that seems like a fair representation I've got four of those my wife you in the 20 was that the 20 yeah figure out the real side I actually walked Martin today on the greater and the prices were very similar he still had some questions he was going back and asking about delivery dates confirmed delivery dates he didn't he was overwhelmed with either of the sales people or what they've been doing and tried to help him figure it out what's best for the town but he's been doing a fair amount of research to figure out which machine and he's told me he's right on the fence he doesn't know about the things that I expressed to him is I think it would be better if we take delivery of that into April 24 rather than have it here October sit in the garage for six months from March right and pay for it during that time yeah sitting out there let's right like he said we're gambling on this machine that we're hoping to get to the end of the year so really it doesn't matter as long as you get the other one by March so he's talking to them about that first quarter of the year rather than October because again it's not going to do us a lot of good sitting in the garage maybe a little bit of use for snow bags but we can save six months financing finance pick lack of not use right now on your warranty you probably even want the warranty it's going to use up expect up here to talk to them this afternoon to get back to me so wherever I expect our next meeting we'll have a choice there too many border decisions go ahead back and other than that I haven't heard talk to anyone he said things are going well they're just doing the projects here in the area across town they're possibly going to tackle the big part that was the problem on hill it's a fairly deep one so they're they're not sure I was going to push that off next year but I reminded them that we have parking lot next year that I mean that he's going to have to play on so not pushing anything off it may come back that's it for those guys I'll talk to Ron I'll have him reach out to Silva's was that right Silva he hasn't tried it but it sounds like there was a lot of miscommunication I mean if the law was not passed certainly DRB is not going to be making decisions based on what could be coming of law so it can't really play back on the DRB things have changed and it sounds like the information that they were provided has expanded a little bit as well as far as processing on site so I'll have Ron talk to their attorneys and try to figure that out in agreement like they have been meeting with Bliss Richard it's funny I really wonder whether the attorney and these folks are talking because all the things they were she was discussing we kind of resolved yeah so they should probably get on our problem yeah I think that's it we decided to move the meeting defense to July 10th then the next one would be the 24th no what are you going to do two weeks in a row so July 10th and then the 17th oh okay just keep it let it work out you can't go you're right okay so that's it good does that work for you? absolutely so why don't we take a moment and approve this like we're minutes of June 5th make a motion, we approve this like we're minutes of June 5th any discussion changes or anything on those now, all of you go ahead hi all right, Tom what are you going to do no you can still go on you can still breathe no, I do no I didn't know I did you're willing to approve I did have one more thing Sasha I spoke with Hannah Flynn because she's my bet she was just wondering if someone could reach out to the health officer and kind of ask her to reach out to her because she knows what her role is there's no idea oh okay I have to reach out to the sure is there anything else below as far as old business that anyone had any comments on nothing below but a tree of Sasha a third person is supposed to they had to reschedule they had some emergency last Friday so he was going to just get back to me as soon as he could okay Sasha looks pretty good 14 1450 something like that no all right okay will you open up the pdf that they attached to it I'll take a look at it I may be on the thread okay I thought that was off the cheat we also we did get a grant it was for the 500 for the security remember when we out of the 53 26 so what I want to make sure is that we've got we're going to look for the quotes I know we have this one quote but I'll have Sasha if you could look in to make sure we have done our due diligence as far as getting the quotes okay we've got money to pay for or pay for most of it anyways 35 yes, two thirds of it was that what Cheryl? she said we've got enough to cover about two thirds of the 53, 26 is it about 35 just make sure she did send us a budget email I found one I read that the security was the emails maybe I read it online I was looking at an email from Cheryl that was security for the building or I thought it was out of the server two in here and two on the outside of the building camera because someone broke in here no, we've had a few different scenarios that have happened oh, alright but did Cheryl write an email that there was something happening with the email or something? alright, so it's just two different things alright I don't think you want to comment on this as well I spoke to Sean Hartlett from Orc House Store the people who own Orc House Store and they have generously donated a thousand dollars towards the paper or the work festival like they have so a challenge I'll leave you pretty gentle to find a number except 500 more so you should have some friends up there donors for more funds I know you've got plenty of friends to make that happen to donate to Telepay for some of the stuff and any new business anyone else alright thank you everyone we do have a few things to sign how close is it to you? John, if you want to take a look there's Robin who will send you if you're born there we're going to start looking at this this is mostly cable does our town go all the way to room 100 by still so far in there? actually what's right in the middle of the road itself or something I think it's a bridge but it does go through I think a lot I was just curious what kind of complex is it the downwater we have well I don't think there's anything about the crosswalk I think there's talking about crosswalk I don't think it would be crazy well that's part of their alternative thing that's one option it's easier to go across like I said I wouldn't cross I wouldn't cross there I'd really play in front of the room 100 with a lot of light that's scary, right? I know we're signing stuff but the frame for the other thing yeah kind of what we're stuck with right now this is where I've been trying to verify probably need to top them do you need to top them oh I'm sorry if you know what you know I'm still on that I don't know anyone that's certified that can do it yeah so does that fall back on us that we can't find somebody to do this thing and now we're starting I don't know I don't know what we do I'm in motion to adjourn motion to adjourn second all favourable aye thank you everyone thanks Orca TV