 Welcome to the Nintendo Prime podcast. Well, season two episode 55, I believe. We have a full six pack here tonight. It's going to be a lot of fun. We're going to go around the room, introduce ourselves and what we have been playing lately. Let's start with the man with no studio lights, Mr. Jake Randall. How are you doing, buddy? Hey, I'm good. So yeah, guys, I'm visiting my grandma in Florida. So I'm in a different location. I'm using my laptop. Don't really have the best lighting. Don't really have the best audio, anything. But you know, I've been playing, finally popped Dragon Quest monsters in, I'm playing a bit of that. And I played this other random game I got off the eShop the other day. I don't know if you ever played those Kyro soft games that they're like really fun on your phones or like game dev story. It's like a guilty pleasure. But they had one that was like a cafe thing, like a cafe story. And I bought that on switch because it was, you know, it was on the discounted games on the eShop. I'm like, I remember playing these like horrible game to play on switch. It's meant for your phone. Don't play it on switch. But Dragon Quest monsters is dope. Yeah, I like monsters. By the way, Dragon Quest monsters has officially sold a million copies on Nintendo switch. So that was announced today. The second one. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. The one that just recently released, right? Yeah. That's pretty. Yeah. Yeah. Really amazing sales. That's the first one that's released on switch. Thunder Steve 85. Welcome first time appearance. Small time YouTuber. Yes. How you doing, buddy? What are you going on? Who? First I've introduced you. Who the hell are you? Yeah. So my name is Steve as you might have guessed. I have been gaming my whole life, guys. So I'll tell you guys a little bit about myself. I first started playing video games in the late 80s. It was with the regular Nintendo course back in 1988. Pretty much had a controller in my hand ever since then. Absolutely loved video games. I think I own every console, but like many of us 80s kids, my heart will always belong to Nintendo, which is why I was very excited to jump on this show today. A few fun gaming facts for you guys back in 1993, 1993 that is, I won the 18 and under blockbuster video NBA Jam tournament. So I got free video game rentals for a full year, which was pretty cool. And then I was just I just played in the retro world series and won the NBA Jam tournament there too. Outside of that, guys have been camping out for video game systems ever since the GameCube. Every Nintendo system I've camped out for. But something tells me it's probably not going to happen with the Switch 2. Don't don't really see that happening with the world today. I don't know what you guys think probably not going to happen. Somebody's got to do a midnight launch out there and you'll have to drive to keep the streak alive. Yeah, you know what? It's like I can't pre-order it. No problem. But there's just something fun, man, about camping out for the systems and just talking video games all night. It's a good time. So let us realize you're the two time NBA Jam champ. So you're kind of like Dr. District. I'm the two time. The two time. I probably I probably don't talk about it as much, but yes. Definitely not as much as them at the back blockbuster champion. Anyways, what are what you been playing lately? So lately, let's see, I just played and completed Dragon Quest Monsters, the Dark Prince, reviewed that. Then I played Owl's Awakening recently. That was a game from like deep, deep in my backlog. And then just a few days ago, I completed it and got the platinum for Crisis Core Reunion and just posted my review today. And I want to make a point to play that game because I need it. I personally needed to know if that game needs to be played before playing rebirth, because I'm very excited for that. Obviously, you know, growing up, playing Final Fantasy 7 on PS1. Super excited, of course, for the new one. So the verdict is, yes, I think you do need to play that game. I think the story definitely ties in. It's going to tie into rebirth. Of course, we don't know yet because the game's not out. But if you've played it, if you know you guys have played it, you probably you know that it's going to somehow tie into that. So that's what I've been playing. And then tomorrow, I can up Prince of Persia at Best Buy. I go drive down there and get my physical copy. Be reviewing that next. Nice. Yeah. I like it. I love a good physical release. Always. If it's a movie, so I was trying to get rid of it. Exactly. Hey, you be hard when you get that. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Jake, you're at your grandmother's house. You should be keeping it clean. I get it from. I can see. And just to keep that going, we already have compliments coming in from the chat. Two dollars about how hot Jake is in any light. So just saying. I know I said thank you in the chat. Thank you. Yeah, Fox Fox is always willing to do that. I mean, every stream, there's going to be a compliment to Jake from Fox. All right, it is what it is. We all got our simps. Eric, how are you doing, buddy? What have you been playing lately? Here's the kingdom. Yeah. Trying and questing right now. Don't don't be ashamed. Yeah, dude, you can play that game for years. There's no shame in this. Yeah, it seems awesome. I mean, that's the only game I keep playing. But I mean, it's all right. I don't want to play. So it's all right. Did you beat a game earlier this year? Sparks, oh, yes. Yeah. So see, be the game. That was well, not this year. Well, did you actually beat it last year? Yeah, I beat it. Yeah, 2023. Yeah. Oh, man. Hey, you know what? We're only like two weeks in. We're only two weeks in. Come on, look at you scared off. Yeah, I know, right? I'm scared off. You're way too hardcore. Eric, you beat it last year. Dude, I beat it every night. Ah, there you go. There it is. Yeah, get it all in now. Just go. All right. You sound like Max, mate. All right, sorry. All right, how are you doing, buddy? What are you playing? Fingers. Well, I finally finished Monster Underworld. So, you know, I played that. Nice. Not a Nintendo console. And I have a, I started playing another game on the Switch. And I'll give you a hint. If that statue in the back is probably link, but my first thought was Isaac. Oh, way back there. Yeah, by a friend of your triangle lights. Yeah, he's the sort. He's just not holding the sword right now. I broke. Oh, yeah. Otherwise, it'd be more. OK, one out of five guys. For those who don't know, Isaac from Golden Sun, they started playing. Oh, dude, I thought you were talking about the binding of Isaac. Dude, that's too many Isaacs. There's too many Isaacs. No, we're talking about Golden Sun, baby. Binding of Isaac is better than Golden Sun. I mean, they just, oh, oh, oh, oh, no. Whoa, no. Listen, last week, we engaged in a conversation. They got a little out of hand. And I just think that it has mostly to do with everyone jibber jabbering at the same time. But I'm not going to fall for your tricks again. So I just like seeing you all get all riled up. Say what you please that doesn't change how special Golden Sun is. Sorry, if you see my lighting change, it's because to read the chat, like if I do this, I'm looking at all of you guys. And if I actually look at the chat, that that actually happened whenever you open your mouth because your smile radiates the room. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Whoa. Whoa, now. Now, you know you're both in Florida, right? You're both in Florida. So maybe that's what I mean. Yeah, but there's all kinds of Florida, though. What kind of Florida? Yeah, I'm in Fort Myers. Fort Myers? No, that's not that far. It's like a two-hour drive from Miami, actually. Well, we should meet up and make out. They had a chance to see you said that. I'm just, I'll just can. Yeah, well, how long you're here for? How long you're here for? I'm here until Sunday. OK. Well, conceivably, maybe we do something on the weekend. I don't know what your plans are, but. Yeah, I don't really have much. Honestly, I'm kind of just playing it by ear, hanging out with grandma. All right. So, yeah. Maybe you, me, and grandma could grab a drink. That sounds great. You stay with, hey, grandma Reynolds is the same. I'm sure she is. Yeah. Oh, Mr. Sombro Nation, how's it going? Welcome back. Thank you. Happy to be back. First show of 2024 for you here. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I've been hopping in every now and then on your guys' podcast. I haven't stuck around for a full episode, but I've been lurking out there. And you guys are putting out great stuff. And I'm happy to be back. Thanks for having me back. I'm glad you want me back, because there's a decent amount of people that might not. So. Why? Why? Whoa, whoa. Is there only a controversy going on, by the way? No, in all reality, I'm trying to do more shows, because I've loosely made the commitment to you where I will do one a month. And, Andres, I'm trying to work something out with you soon. Hopefully, this month, if you're still down. Of course. But I want to make appearance on more shows. It's actually on me, because I just have not made any extra time for additional shows. So there's no controversy. I wish it was something juicy. I could tell you guys. All right, since you're kind of asking about controversy, let me ask you a question. Let's hear it. How do you feel about a racing franchise from Nintendo outside of Mario Kart? Like, do you think it'll happen? Or do you think that Mario Kart is just too much of this monster that Nintendo's like, eh. If you do think it'll happen, we're talking about a 3D racer. And by what time do you think it'll happen? You guys are talking about F-Zero versus Mario Kart, huh? Is this the? Well, it's not me. Why do we got to fight? Why can't we all just race in different places? Nintendo, in my opinion, will bring back F-Zero alongside of Mario Kart in the Switch 2 generation at some point. At some point, I don't think it's going to happen in the Switch generation. I don't think we may not even get GX remastered in the Switch generation, but next gen, I think it'll happen. I don't think that they view it as a threat because it's such a small sample size. It's going to be like, even if they push it with all the marketing, best case scenario might sell 3 million, 5 million if they're lucky. Bro, if it sells 3 million, that would be insane. Right. Like, I think not every Nintendo franchise has to sell 30 million copies. Yeah. And you know that whatever is the next Mario Kart is going to probably do another 40 or 50 million easy in the life cycle. Maybe more, they get a Mario Kart movie out there. Like, yeah. I have a feeling when I'd be talking about whether or not the Switch 2 could be a mess up somehow. But yeah. Wow, I wonder where you got that from. Yeah, I couldn't. Someone checked the notes. Yeah. I may or may have not. So this idea came to me. Because I did a show with, I got to be on the pipeline earlier this week at GameXplain, right? And so I did a show with Jake from GameXplain. And an idea came to mind because he wanted a kind of a game that would be in between the launch going on the holiday and maybe a racing title or something like that. And so I was like, OK, well, maybe a zero. And then something occurred to me was a zero. And I didn't explain this fully on that show. But we had the rumors for F-Zero GX remastered, right? And it never occurred to me why they called it F-Zero GX. Because there was also another game that came out at the same time, F-Zero AX. They were like complementary of each other. It was on arcade version. F-Zero GX, G standing for GameCube, F-Zero AX, A standing for arcade. Maybe I'm an idiot for not realizing it until this week. But that's what they stand for. And so I had me, I never questioned it. I never thought about it, but it seems so obvious now, right? But I had an idea. What if this rumor GX remaster is like. It's more than just a remaster, right? And so I had the idea, what if they kind of give this game like so much of an overhaul treatment, it's like its own thing, right? And so they call it F-Zero RX. The R-B standing for remake, remaster, something along those lines. And it would just fit so well. And it would be its own thing. I think it'll be F-Zero GX HD. Damn it. Yeah, but R-X would be. But R-X stands for prescription. It's like pretty universally owned. Oh, that's a good point. They might not want to do that. But R-X is not a bad name, but knowing Nintendo, they're going to call it GX HD. But I've actually, I hope the F-Zero GX is even still a big rumor because I think a lot of us like hopped on the Silux Hunter train. And apparently that was F-Zero 99, you know what I mean? So hopefully. I hope they call it F-Zero inches. Oh, here we go. But seriously, F that. F-Zero inches. Yeah, that's the zero inches. That's two inches, too little. Exactly. Well, it's like 1.6 inches, too little. Two is more than enough. That's what I hear from you every week, Jake. No, you can't help it. Let me quickly talk about what game I've been playing lately, because I'm actually excited to share this with you guys. And, Andres, you really need to, if you're sleeping on this, knowing that our play styles on a lot of games are similar, you need to definitely pick it up. And Thunder Steve, you mentioned it, but Prince of Persia, the lost crown is hands down. My favorite Metroidvania since Metroid Dread. And I would only rank it behind Metroid Dread and a couple like Fusion. And, you know, I mean, Metroid games just hold a special place in my heart in general. But if I'm just being objective on how good of a Metroidvania experience it is, it is freaking top notch. Did you play the demo? No, I fortunately, I got the Ubisoft early invite thing. So I got like three and a half hours of gameplay like a while back and then they sent me a review copy. So I ended up playing through quite a bit of the majority of the game on the review copy. I never played the demo at all, though. So I don't know where it ends or anything. OK, yeah. Apparently the demo is like its own thing. Oh, it's different than what you play through in the game. That's what they explained at the beginning of the demo. I don't know. It seems to match up what I've seen in like trailers and like reviews of the game. But maybe like just a story sequence is a little different. Um, not I'm not saying I'm not going to get it because I am like a really big fan of that. And it does give me like that Metroid Dread vibe. There's a lot of similarities there, but I don't know. Like the demo didn't like I wasn't like really feeling it. I was I didn't get hooked in until you get to a point where one, you start to unlock new ability. So early on in the game is not really indicative of what the full combat system is like. It's way more close quarters. Combat, obviously the Metroid, because you're not shooting anything as far as a projectile, other than you will get something. Unless you're going to the face of an enemy and just melee, melee, melee. Yeah, you have options on how you can play. But what I love is that they incorporated some soul style mechanics, kind of like so this amulet system you have. You can kind of start to build your character to your play style. So if you like to parry a lot, you can level up parry amulets and actually get like basically just devastate the enemies from parrying. But if you're more tank style, you can do like the amulet system is is like one of the amulets might take up three of your amulet slots and you start to get more slots as you progress and stuff like that. A more weak amulet will only take up one slot, but you can level up those amulets with the blacksmith in addition to leveling up your weapons. So eventually you start to you have that hook set in that you're crafting the character in the style of the game that you want to go towards. And so I went more of like the tank route where damage doesn't affect me quite as much, but you can also make your swords just way overpowered, but then your health is way less. Anyway, you have options and the platforming, the way they break up the like intense combat sections and then some boss battles, but then you're going to go through an entire exploration and platforming thing like right when you need it. Like the pacing of the game is really good. Like when you're kind of done just beating up enemies and feeling intense, you're going to then go to an exploration phase where you're finding all this new stuff and then you can obviously find additional items through, you know, going off the correct path and go, you know, finding secret areas and stuff like that. And they, they paste it so well where just whenever you feel like I'm kind of done with, you know, the platforming stuff, which is also top notch, then you're right into another like intense enemy boss section. So I'm like, I can't recommend it enough. I know it's $50 for a 2D game, but I think it would be like a strong recommendation even at a $60 price point. And the thing is, is it'll probably go on sale because it's the Ubisoft game. I think like sooner rather than later, it'll go on sale. But if you, I mean, you might wait for a sale, but I still think it's worth every penny at full price. So anyway, that hasn't been playing lately. And if you can't tell, I'm kind of hyped about it. I mean, I'm really jealous to be honest. I think you should be. I'm probably going to wait on a sale just because I have this backlog, but. Yeah. No, I don't blame it. It'll go on sale for sure. It's a place in non-Nintendo games. I just finished Monster Hunter World. Cut me a break. I've blitzed that game, at least for my standards. I mean, we could argue Monster Hunter World's like Nintendo adjacent. Yeah, I'll give it to him. Sure. I want to encourage the kid. I mean, you know, I actually I actually do play more non-Nintendo games than you guys realize. I just don't always talk about it. Play the loudest, please. No, I thought, OK, well, that's that's a sin. I would never play. I would never play us a first party Sony game. That's a joke. I feel like it's like a serious thing. Oh, no, not at all. No, I don't know. I'm not a fan of like very like movies, like cinematic. It's not just try it. You don't even know what you're talking about. You can't wait. I thought you said uncharted. You haven't said the last of the last of the last of us. Actually, the last of us is probably more at my alley. Dude, if you fight your limitations, you win. You get to keep them. So like if you don't want to play, you don't play it. But no, no, no, I would I would I would play it. I just have amazing games. Amazing. Thank you. Yeah, 100 percent of both of them. I don't do that for very many games, but it was that good. Hmm. I did it with the second one, not the first one. I did play seven. I did play Final Fantasy seven remake when it came out. I didn't finish it, though. Yeah, well, that's a sequel. You should play the first game. So I did play that one, too. Oh, legend. All right. I love that. OK, we'll take it. Yeah, I should finish them, but I haven't. That's all right. It's all right. Hey, at least you've played the original Final Fantasy seven. I never have ever on switch. I know it is and I will never play it. I don't know why. I don't just determine I'm never going to play it. I'll just I play I play the quote unquote remake, which we know isn't a remake and I love it. Yeah, and I'm good there. I don't want to go here. Here's what's confusing about it is there's Final Fantasy seven, the original and then remake, which was made to make people think it was one run remake when it was really a sequel and it was cleverly titled remake because what happens is the main villain rewinds time right when after the meteor hits in the end of the first game. So it takes you back to the exact point the first game started. So you're redoing it all, except things don't happen the same. And that's where these ghost things come into play that are trying to make things happen the same way. But then characters die that aren't supposed to die and they fixed it. But then other characters live that were supposed to die and they can't fix it. So if you didn't play the first one, you have no idea what's going on. And that was their intent, too, because they knew a lot of people would play it without playing the first one, and it can be played on its own. But my theory is when they finish this sequel trilogy, I think the next thing in the Final Fantasy 7 universe, if people aren't burnt out, they might sit on it. But I think they are eventually going to take the original FF7 and once the remake trilogy is done and people see how that concludes, then people I think a lot more people will be like, oh, this was a sequel the whole time, because a lot of people still don't know that and it's kind of funny slash weird. But I think they will take the original FF7 and just want to do what people kind of wanted from the beginning and kind of maybe not completely upgrade it to the way the remake was, but make like just that much better looking. I would like an HD 2D version of that of the original. I would love that. These HD 2D games have been great. Yeah, so something like that. Yeah, except when they did it to Secret of Mana, I don't want to even speak. Why not even bring up that? I hate that. I hate that as a bad remake. Well, they care about Final Fantasy a lot more than I mean, I would think of it, but in the HD 2D. The vision's a man. It looks fantastic. But they bastardized Secret of Mana in there. They did it right with Trials of Mana. So I don't know why they bastardized Secret of Mana. That's just dumb. Anyways, sorry, I'm all on the Mana series kick. Yes, I played Secret of Mana in the last week. That's what I've been playing. I don't I don't replay games. So why the hell am I replaying the game that I've already 100 percented a long time ago? Because the SNES classic got hooked up and my kids kept going by it and I kept seeing the logo and it kept calling to me and then I sat down. And next thing I know, it was seven hours later. So and I was sick all weekend, so it was all right. I could offer seven hours while I'm sick and play some Secret of Mana. And the game is just as good as I remember. It's amazing. I love it. I'm not going to beat it in that save file and that is fine. I'll probably will pick it up again. Like I don't really have an itch to go back and keep playing. I just was sick. So while sick, I felt nostalgic and I'm like, hey, this is literally my third favorite game of all time. So this is pretty cool. That's why I spend a lot of it. So I look at all these other games I should be playing should be beating should have caught up on and I'm like, no, no, no. Oh, faithful. I don't feel good. It's all faithful time. Can I ask a question for the panel? I think it's kind of a curious if it's just a fun little question to ask. It's what's one game that you haven't finished that you wish you could go back and finish like one game? Because I'm sure we've all had a game or two. They were like, oh, I should have finished that one. I can start if you want me. I rented goof troupe on the SNES when I was a kid and I got like literally to the final boss. And I never went back and completed the game. And it still deeply hurts me on an emotional level. Yeah. Wow. It's like he's probably never been released ever. No, never. But I, you know, it's funny. I think I can't remember. No, that's and that's what also happened. It's one of the few few games that I just haven't stumbled across locally and I haven't got online to order it. So I don't own it either. So, yeah, goof troupe. I never beat it there. I think for a moment, I'll guess I'll tell you mine. It's earthbound. I have never beaten earthbound and it's such a good game. Like I love the heck out of it. The problem is when I played it, it was on, you know, the Wii U virtual console, but it wasn't on my Wii U. I was staying at a friend's house for a couple of weeks. They had it on their Wii U. So I was like, I bet I'll play earthbound. And I got I got pretty far in. I got to like, you know, like the third or fourth area. I was enough to be really invested, right? And well, you know, I was only there for a few weeks and it was on their console. So, you know, I would hang out with them, but I never would play earthbound when I would go hang out with them. So it's on it's on switch online now, right? Well, I guess so. But yeah, you don't have to replay all that. It's awkward. Right. That's that there's that hurdle of why you already did all this stuff. I don't want to have to do it again. But yeah, it's been years at this point. So eventually I'm going to get the itch and go in or or Nintendo is going. Sounds like you're talking about getting an STD. I'm going to get the itch, right? Because that's usually what the itch refers to. And in his world, in his world, it does, maybe, maybe. I don't want to make any assumptions, you know, so. I mean, that's what he jumped to. So it's not even a sense. We can we can use protection, Andres. All right. I don't think we're hanging out this weekend. For me, it's turtles in time. Man, I got so deep into that. And I don't know why I just never finished it. I'm really upset that I have. It was one of the greatest beat them up games of all time, in my opinion. And I just I don't know why I never finished it off. I was I was going to say, Xenobite Chronicles 3. Then I realized I'm still playing that once in a while. I'll eventually get through it. And that's too recent. So since that's still sort of in my play log, I'm not going to count that. So I'll probably get through it. I'm having a hard time thinking of one to be honest. Because you just beat every game with that, you know. It's Platinum's everything. You know, if Nintendo had achievements, it'd be perfect on every game he's ever touched. How about how about this? That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that like any game that I haven't beaten, I don't necessarily like have a big regret on it. Right. Do you regret not opening your PlayStation portal yet? I'm sure there are some examples, but I can't think of any games that were like, I didn't get to that. I'm like, oh, man, I wish I would have got. I know there are some. I'm just having a hard time thinking of one. That's what I'm saying. Well, Jake, that's why I said, do you regret not opening your PlayStation portal yet? Yes. But that's like I'm still playing games. But you know that you travel to Florida, you're missing golden opportunities on the road for your video. Golden opportunities being missed. Bathrooms that wouldn't exist back home. So does it turn on? Can it turn on the PS5 remotely? Like as long as it's plugged into a power source? Yeah. Yeah. But if someone if let's say you're the power goes out or someone unplugs your PS5, you're done. Unless you can have someone go into your house for you and turn it back on. Yeah, to give a power outage, I think it ends it. Yeah, I can get one of my hoes to do it. You just got a little black book. Don't worry about it. Can't you power on a PS5 anyway with remote play or is that like a feature that's exclusive to the portal? Because I don't know. I'm not like I'm thinking that you can, but I could be wrong about that. Then I don't know. It's got to be in rest mode. Yeah, that's what I mean. If it's in rest mode, yeah. Rest, standby, whatever you can power it on. Nice. Sweet. So what if it's not, though? Like, you know, when sometimes you get shut off like unexpectedly and so you have to do like that initial boot, can it do the initial boot? No. It's communicating over the internet, so if it's not already connected, it's not going to be able to do anything. Yeah, like when it's in rest mode, it's still connected online. It seems true with like every system. This actually reminds me of a time in college. We had an apartment and I had my Wii plugged in in the living room and I was playing Xenoblake Chronicles and I was at the final boss. But the final boss was too hard for the levels I was at. So every time I would die, there would be like two or three enemies that would give me a decent amount of like experience. I would kill them, maybe in a level, bite the boss, then get my ass kicked. But I did this for hours. And so I gained several levels, but because it's the final boss, it's already passed the point of saving. So I could not turn off my Nintendo Wii. So, you know, I had been doing that grind, slowly leveling up after hours of losing and rarely do my roommates like really mess with my stuff. Right, but that weekend I stepped out for, I don't know, half a day or so or what have you. And I told my roommates, hey guys, whatever you do, do not turn off the system. And just for whatever reason, that evening when they hung out, decided to hang out there and I wasn't around, which, you know, I was usually, we usually hung out together, but for that evening I didn't. And for that evening, they decided to mess with stuff and they never do. They unplugged accidentally to plug in like an old DVD player to watch a random movie. They never mess with it. And I literally told them, guys, please don't mess with this. And they messed with it. Ouch, that sucks, man. Yeah, I still went back and finished the Uniblay, but that was a real bitch. Damn. All right, let's see here. I guess we can probably get into our first topic tonight. And we're gonna top up the Nintendo Switch too. What a surprise, right? But we're gonna take a little different task. We've talked a lot about like when it's gonna come out and, you know, features we want and game lineups. And let me pretty much ran the gambit on conversations for that, really without like brand new information leaking out and or the system just being announced. We don't have a lot more to talk about. The one thing we don't talk about hardly ever is how can it go wrong? What would have to happen for a Nintendo Switch too to basically become a flop? Now- They don't call it the Switch too. That would be one thing probably. But I don't know. And can it even flop? Is it even possible? Well, I actually think that's a good point. I think it's very hard. It's gonna be hard to flop. Like even if they do do something stupid, like there's a weak launch lineup or they don't call it the Switch too and some of the market thinks that because it's called a Switch Advance or Switch, whatever, they don't think it's an actual sequel system. I think that it's gonna get so much press. Like we've already have news outlets reporting on the next Nintendo system coming out this year. Like I don't think it's that big a deal if they mess up the name. I think they're not, it's not like they're too big to fail. It's possible. But I think it'll be really hard for them to fuck it up. And I think that they've, well, they have fucked stuff up before. They are one of the best companies in the business. There's a reason why they've lasted this long. And I think they're gonna do a good job with it. Obviously we all want the best case scenario to happen. But I think we'll get a really good launch. Like I don't think they can mess it up. That's my answer. I'm out. I'm out. Poor Eric. So you don't think it's possible? No, I didn't say that. I said it's definitely, I said, I literally said, Andres. No, I was trying to get it clear for fail. I literally said they are not too big to fail. But it's gonna be, it would be kind of hard. They would have to actively like really screw things up, but it's possible for sure. So I got one thing I wanna say. And I do think that they could mess it up pretty bad compared to what it could be. Will it be a failure? Will you level? I agree. No, but could they mess it up like to where it doesn't sell 100 million units? Absolutely. Sure. And one of the ways I think they could do it. And I hope that they don't. But it does tie into the color buttons theory. You know, everything that we've seen. Whoa, African American buttons. Gee. It does come into the Nintendo, if they did something as stupid as new Nintendo Switch and they tried to keep it in the same family of consoles. So legitimately at the end of the lineup, we see the new Nintendo Switch at the trailer and it falls down in the Switch thing at the end and there's the OLED, there's the base and there's the light. And maybe there's not even a price cut for any of them. And it just looks like that new incremental upgrade and Nintendo's like, we're gonna support really both of these systems, but the new one runs things a little bit better at a better resolution. And then that's all they're doing. I think if they don't make it a clear distinction that this is a true next-gen console, it's a reason to upgrade if you're already a Switch owner and they call it new Nintendo Switch and they don't do a good job of marketing the fact that it's a true successor, it will not have the same kind of 100 plus million performance. That's the biggest way I think they could mess it up in marketing. Look, I think it was an obvious way they can mess it up. Systems not announced, we don't know what the hell this is. They could drop a $700 home console. Like just to be fair, like, by the way, we under all understand like this is a hypothetical not so much a really gonna happen thing. Obviously all the reports, all the, but it's just one of those, look, it is hard to fail because Nintendo's putting all their best game efforts into one system and that's why we buy systems as for the games. So it's hard to imagine a system that has literally all of Nintendo's best games not being able to sell a decent number. Like it just doesn't even make sense. The demand for Nintendo's games is insane. And in the past, when they've had systems fail, there was always another system still doing well. So I kind of think it is really, really hard, but it would have to be like a situation where confusing branding, turning around and abandoning their handheld market in Japan entirely, going with just a home console, making it stupidly expensive because they decide, hey, everyone talks about power. Where do you want to be the power kings? Because you know, Nintendo's not that dumb, but also, hey, these are hypothetical situations that can cause a critical failure and would make maybe Nintendo want to bail in a couple of years after a bad choice. So like, if you want to stick more to like, how could they make the handheld, supposed hybrid thing fail? It is hard, but I think there are some things, a big thing would be like, could they survive a red ring of death situation where say like 50% of the units in year one just die and they lose consumer trust? Like that would probably be something very hard to overcome if there's a fatal hardware flaw or something like that. That's why I'm throwing out there. I don't know, what do you guys got? All right, I'll go. So first, Jake, I meant to say plausible, not possible. That was my error because yeah, because like, I think it is possible the Switch 2 can fail, but it is not plausible, right? Yeah, I agree, that's yeah. So like, and so just so you understand the difference, like for example, I could walk out my house and dive from a meteorite, like that's possible, but is that plausible? No, that's like an infinitesimally small chance, right? So, and that's kind of like, what I think the chances are Switch 2 failing, it's infinitesimally small, it's so small of a chance because so many extraordinary things would have to occur for this to happen. For example, Nate, you brought up like a Red Ring of Death situation. I think that scenario is already fairly unlikely. Why? Because they've been, Nintendo's in a position right now where they've been kind of sitting on their games, they're highly ready, they're highly prepared, they're not rushing to the market. The Switch is going to become the longest running, like primary platform of Nintendo in history accounting for the NES, which was before they had a norm. And so that should be, that's supposed to be the exception and they're going to pass that. And so the point is, is that Nintendo's gonna come out with Switch 2 because they're ready, not because they're in a rush, they're in no rush, they're doing fine. And so Red Ring of Death situation is more like, you know, what can happen if the rush to the market don't test things and all of that. So that's just one example. Another thing is that because Nintendo is, we're focusing a singular platform right now, you have all the Nintendo fans going to one place, right? Like, even when the Wii U happened, there's still a 3DS that sold like what, almost 80 million systems. And the 3DS actually was off to really rocky start too. And so like maybe the 3DS is kind of like the low ball, right? Like 80 million might be the low ball for Nintendo. And I might even argue that that's still, that's still like too low because the Nintendo today is even bigger, right? When you put out things like the Mario movie, for example, the Zelda movie coming, like they've expanded their base, right? They've obtained a lot of new fans with the Switch. So I'm not even sure, like maybe 90 million is like their failure point, right? Like if they fail, you know, fail, maybe like you brought up like maybe they don't hit 100, right? Like I think that's maybe what they're at risk of, but actual failure is not plausible. And so, but what could happen that would, that I could be maybe somewhat afraid of. The Switch 2 branding, that is gonna be interesting. How they go about doing that. I think that is, you know, potentially one way that if the messaging is not really good, that could impact things. And I also do kind of wonder how much people are going to want to upgrade when there isn't like some sort of massive, unique difference outside of power. Like Sony does it. Sony has this long history of just transitioning over. Is Nintendo going to have the same advantage? I would like to think the answer is yes, because of the formula to establish the Switch because it feels like a very pure formula, right? It's not based off like lightning in a bottle. Everyone's playing Switch because it's just an ideal scenario for many gamers. So I would hope that somewhere in Sony, they can just have an iterative approach and they'll have similar success, but we don't know for sure. And so that's a question Mark. Outside of that, maybe not having enough big exclusives that compel people to jump on board immediately, right? Like if they don't have the breath of the wild moment immediately, if they don't have the big Mario Kart immediately, maybe they don't have as much momentum. And so those things could impact things. But I think 90 million is most likely like the worst case scenario for them. Eric. Let's see here. I think if they hold short on like storage and in RAM, I think that's gonna hurt a lot of people. I mean, I know you can get SD cards, things like that, but internal memory is big. Till third party support? Yeah, for sure. I think another couple of things, if they, is the rumored chipset in anything else? No. No, so maybe it's not a Nintendo thing. Maybe it's an Nvidia. Maybe the chips are just absolute dog turds and Nvidia kills them. That's one way it could not be as good as what the Switch was. And I know that the Switch was technically older hardware too, at the time of when it came out, maybe they follow that suit and use a little bit older hardware. And I don't think people like that either. So I think those are a couple of things that we could, possibly see that could hurt the sales. Yeah, like it sounds like some of the stuff you brought up, it would really be like, because it would probably want to hurt Nintendo's games, but it would hurt the third parties. Like if you just, if you lose all third party support, would they survive solely with just themselves? And you feel like maybe, but then when you think, well, a system only having like five games a year, that's worth buying. If you're not into some of those, then it's gonna feel like a pretty dry year if there's not other games still on the board. And they'll always be indie games and stuff, but yeah. Okay. I mean, hey, we're coming up with scenarios and situations that could really hurt the system. Mr. Mustachio'd man. All right. So I got a lot of points to make. So personally, I don't think it will go wrong. I'd say I'm very confident in that. So like sure, sure it could go wrong, but I just don't see like Nintendo pulling a Wii U under its current leadership. Like I think Furukawa doesn't mess around. I would say like similar, but not on the same level as Hiroshi Yamauchi, because I'm sure you guys remember him of course. He was like legendary for being known as a very tough and hardened businessman. And I feel like the direction as a whole, you guys all kind of touched on it too, that Nintendo is going in like the movies now too. Like they have a bigger picture that we can actually see now of how they're trying to branch out. They did it with the cell phone games, now the movies. So they're going into a lot of different areas to where they're building a different install base and then bringing it home to the one console they have, which leads me to my next point that I think we gotta look at and you guys mentioned this too, but back in the day before Switch, if a console failed commercially like the Wii U did, Nintendo was still printing money in the portable market. But during the Wii U 3DS era, I think it was back in like 2013, Nintendo combined its handheld and console divisions and then after that, of course we got the Nintendo Switch. So in the past, Nintendo had their eggs in two separate baskets and now that they've went hybrid, I feel like there's really no turning back from hybrid unless they're going to go back to a console and a portable system, which that feels like going backwards. And I don't think the fans want that. I don't want that. I love the way out of the Switch's form factor. And I think ultimately like Nintendo wants to look to its past for inspiration. They have a handful of transitions that worked really well. You know, we had the Game Boy to the Game Boy color, but really you look at Game Boy color to GBA, the DS to the 3DS, I won't really count the DSi because it was a small upgrade. But I think the main one is gonna be like the regular Nintendo to the Super Nintendo. And that's kind of what we've all been looking at, right? Like I think we would all be happy if that's what we got. If it was like the NES to the Super, we got that kind of jump. We kept the same basic form factor, both upgrades here and there, nothing too crazy. I think that lines up with the reports that have been coming out. You know what I mean? And I don't think anyone's not about that. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, and even with the graphics that have been, you know, there's obviously guys are so many rumors going around. And I read and listen to all of them, whether it's any of you guys, like I've watched all your guys' channels. So I hear all the news, so I know what's going on. So we don't know what it's gonna be. If it's gonna be PS4, is it gonna be PS4 Pro? Is it gonna be Series S? At the end of the day, like I'm happy with all of that because we're gonna have the NVIDIA Tech 2 built in that not enough people talk about. I think I saw Twitter like blowing up a few days ago. People have said about PS4 graphics on the source view, but it's like, you guys forget about the NVIDIA tech that's gonna be built in that. What is the DS? DLSS, yeah. Yeah, and so like we're gonna have that, but people gotta remember that Nintendo is wizards when it comes to making games with lesser hardware, to making them look beautiful. I mean, you could just look at the Nintendo Switch for reference. They have games on the Switch that look amazing. So what they're gonna be able to do with anywhere between PS4 to Series S kind of hardware, kind of power, I mean, I think we're gonna be fine. So I just, I really don't think they're going to mess this up. I would say if I had one concern, and it seems like it's unanimous amongst all of us, is that I don't know how they're going to market it. How is the messaging going to be? Because it was painful to hear the we and we you. I mean, even back in the day, I had so many friends, people I know asking me, should I get a we you? It's just a we, right? It's not really, it's just like a small upgrade, isn't it? I'm like, no dude, it's like a whole new console. Yeah. I remember that. I'm like, oh my God. The other side to that is, like because they went through the we you thing, a lot of people are like, okay, they would never do that again. But maybe they would call it Switch Advance or Super Switch or whatever, but because they know how that we you went, they would market it in a way that was much more clear, even though it is like the similar kind of name. The next generation console. Nintendo doesn't do what you expect. Yeah, I don't know. Switch you, it's a switch for you. Yeah, here's the thing is like, I think you got to keep the name Switch in it because that is a brand in itself. But also, I don't know, maybe Nintendo just calls it a completely different name when it doesn't have Switch in it. And we're all like, what the fuck? Barney, I don't call it Barney. Yeah. I do actually think that this is the most likely time. If there was ever a time that we will see, even more so than the we to the we you, if it is the most likely time that we will see Nintendo retain a name and take it forward. I think if there was like, if there was ever a time where it makes it handhelds all the time. Well, DS to 3DS is a perfect example. So Game Boy, Game Boy Color, Game Boy Advance. And even if they want to do Super Nintendo Switch, which is my preferred name, if they just do something that is a clear difference and they don't just, this is also during all the conversation, another way they could potentially screw it up a little bit is to that idea that they don't separate it from the current generation well enough. But also, and this is controversial, but I would say if they continue support for their first party games on the current family of Switch systems longer than they should, kind of communicating to the consumer. Yeah, you can get this thing whenever you want, but you can still play these games in the same lower resolution and everything that works on the Switch. I don't think Nintendo will do that. I think more so than Sony or any other company, Nintendo is like very forward about pushing you to the next generation. We maybe get one or two first party cross-gen launch games and that's probably what happens this time, maybe a few more than that because of the install base of the Switch and the hardcore user base. But I don't think they stick around for long on the Switch, but if they did, and for like the first two or three years, you can still just pick up the same games on the current family of systems that might severely delay their sales, if not just shoot themselves in the foot for getting people to actually go buy the new $400 system. It's interesting that it launches at that. Because like Sony and Microsoft have done that and I kind of feel like that's been to their detriment almost like... Correct, and PS5, people who bought the PS5, I mean a little bit myself included, that's why Jim Ryan got so much heat because he was like it's only possible with the power of the PS5 and Sony believes in generations and then they sit there and they put all of their first party games for the most part outside of a couple on both systems for like two and a half years and you're like, you were completely lying when you said that you had to do the PS5 to play these new games. So I think Nintendo, because it's been so long, it's the longest from that, it can even outlast the NES, that technology has just advanced so much that even if they go lower spec than what we're expecting and with the tricks that people aren't thinking of when they see PS4 power, but they're not thinking of DLSS and all of the new AI type of stuff that's coming into gaming right now and Nintendo's partnered with Nvidia who what are they doing? They're like leading the charge and AI graphics. They're not gonna, this is gonna be a noticeable upgrade and difference and considering that Sony and Microsoft aren't doing the thing where they're copying Nintendo like they did with motion controls, trying to get into that market, they don't have a native handheld. They might have remote play options but everybody knows what remote play is like compared to having a native portable console. So Nintendo still has a unique grip on this hybrid gamer until there's true competition, not talking about the Steam Dex and all of the different, like enthusiast PC gamers that will pick up stuff like that. They legitimately, I think they have, like it's gonna be so hard for them to mess this up because if they bring in enough power that all of your PS4 pro slash PS5 and a series S games, that are coming out right now can in theory run on this without it being like a total train wreck, you have now a native way to play those games on the go and people want that right now. So yeah, if they don't screw up with naming, branding and messaging, I don't know how it doesn't sell 100 million but there is a world where if they hung onto their, they really try to include it in the same Switch family and they kept releasing all their same games on both consoles, I could see it not being near as successful as the Switch originally was. And this is I guess a question for the panel is, do you guys feel like the novelty of portable or hybrid gaming, I guess you should say has worn off at all on the general consumer because obviously it has been around for a while and now we are seeing all these PC handhelds and Steam Dex and things like that. I mean, I think that's what everyone else trying to take advantage of this Switch craze which I don't think is a craze. I think it's just convenient, right? The Switch has just has the most flexible form factor, right? You have docked mode, you have portable mode, but you also have tabletop mode. I don't think that should be slept on that that is convenient. I use tabletop mode sometimes. Like let's say you're at the airport, you're sitting next to your friend, a partner or a brother or what have you, you put it by the little table, you do that. I've played like a lot of Switch games on the airplane with a friend, right? Like you just put down the little table thing, it works. Like it's pretty cool. So the point is like a lot of games I prefer to have on Switch is not just because I have the Nintendo device, which does exist, but it's also because it's super convenient, especially for a lot of big games. Like, you know, being able to fit in like those smaller playbots, right? Especially with how you can just like tap the sleep button and you just resume immediately. Like it's just super, super convenient. And we're all about convenience in this day and age, right? So I don't think that's a fad. That's a, this makes our lives easier. We're going to continue to do it. I was thinking we were talking about like worrying about if the PS5 was in sleep mode or not, or if it was totally powered off. Like I don't know, I can't count the amount of times like I barely ever totally turned off my Switch other than just to do a restart. You know what I mean? Like it's a thousand percent always in sleep mode. It's not even designed that way, right? Like I think you have to go through some stuff. You have to press and hold the power button in order for the little menu to come up to actually let you restart it or power it off. I mean, you have to go out of your way to do it. So you'd have to want to shut it off. And yeah, to your point, it's one of the few games that whenever I'm done playing a game, I don't worry about going to the menu and saving it for some reason. It doesn't have auto save or something like that. Because I'm just like, oh well, and I have screwed myself over in that if it's a cartridge game and then I pop out the cartridge and I'm like, you know, so that can backfire. But in general, I just expect that I'm going to come back to the Switch even if it's just sitting on the table there. And it's going to be exactly how I left it. Like just the fact that it's battery powered is a huge advantage. For real. Yeah, like if there is a power outage, for example, your game's still running. You can't say that for other consoles. And you could power it with a battery pack technically if you wanted to, you know? Yeah. I would say I don't think at all that the novelty has worn off. Like you guys said, like I think this is here to stay for Nintendo. People love it, they love the convenience. I mean, it is still really cool. I mean, I got my Switch on day one and I played it so much guys and the novelty is not worn off. It's really nice to be able to play it before you go to bed. Like literally get in bed and play it. And when you're about to fall asleep, you just put it, you put your Switch into sleep mode and then you go to sleep. Like there's a lot of convenience to it. I played it on the airplane as well. Plenty of times in tabletop mode and that use my Switch Pro controller. When I was like going back and forth flying to the East Coast from Arizona for work, I was always on the plane, like playing the whole entire time. Like from the moment I checked in to the moment I had to like get my bag and actually leave and go to the hotel, I was playing Switch. So I was getting in my game time, which is awesome. And there is no comparison when you, if you're comparing it to the PlayStation PSP, the new PSP. I have it. There's no comparison playing games natively versus streaming. And everyone's mileage varies when it comes to that. You guys, we all know that so. Well, I'm glad you mentioned that because one thing I wanted to throw out at the end because it's a little out there. Like it's very unlikely. But one thing I could see, this isn't something that Nintendo would do wrong, but one thing I can see impacting Switch 2 sales down the road is if it's, if it is like PS4 Pro, Xbox Series S power, when the new consoles come out, that'll be a much more significant gap, the PS6, whatever. And with all of the handheld PCs, Steam Deck type devices that are coming out, what if Sony makes the PS6 a fully hybrid console? And like that would not, Nintendo Switch 2 would still probably clear 100 plus million, but maybe not do as well as it could have is I guess what I'm trying to say. And again, I don't think that's likely, but let's just in this fantasy land where Sony does this. Well, if they did that though, in order to get it to be a hybrid and for it to be considered a PS6, they would have to find a way to make a portable PS5 be affordable. Right. Even five years from now, that seems like a stretch, right? Technology can advance a lot. Like it could be a lot more doable by that point. And again, this is- But the thing is though, even if it is- There's been a lot of assumptions, yeah. Right, but like even if they got to a portable PS5 level at $400, five years from now, that's, you know, it's PS5 level. PS5 level is fine, right? We're talking about like, you know, what? I mean, what would be like a healthy jump for, you know, a PS6, like- Well, that's the thing is like, it might not be that big of a jump. The jumps are less and less. And if it's smaller, then that wouldn't be enough to outclass the Switch 2 necessarily to the point where there wouldn't be any more support. I think whatever Nintendo can make for a handheld, Sony, if they made a handheld, could make a more powerful one. However, to make it hybrid, I mean, I still think Sony could make more powerful than Nintendo. But I think they want their base console that you're playing on the TV, the PS6, to be so powerful that you're right. There's probably not a way to do that to make it handheld also, to make it hybrid. But I'm just saying, if they did, if technology like got to a point where they found a way where they could do that, that's one thing that could potentially impact Nintendo sales. Because a lot of the Switch sales that came later when people were like, all right, there's so many games for Switch, I can't ignore it anymore, I'm picking a Switch up. Not the people that already had a Switch that bought a second one or bought an OLED, but the people that never, like for the first, like five or six years Switch existed, never bought one and finally picked one up. Those people might be like, oh, I'd rather buy the PlayStation handheld at the end of the Switch 2's life cycle instead of the Switch 2. Maybe. They're different games. There's so many different things. I'm not like trying to argue that for sure. I'm just trying to throw out like a wacky thing. No, yeah, it's just, it's a hypothetical. I mean, and, but I'll say like for, I remember when the PSP was coming out, people were like, oh, this is the DS killer, Nintendo's finally gonna like suck it up handheld, and the DS was the most successful Nintendo, actually it's still currently the most successful Nintendo console all time. It is just under the PS2 for best selling system of all time. Oh yeah. Nintendo always smoked PS PlayStation. But the thing is though, the PSP was no flouch. Like, for so many stories for reigning a handheld, they killed it. Like they did a really good job. That's half what the DS did. I mean. Sure. And it was, it was better performance, you know what I mean? But it didn't have Nintendo games, didn't have Pokemon, you know. Yeah. There was also a lot of smaller type, like United on, especially for handheld, there's also a lot of. It was like jailbroken day one. So no one ever paid for any software, which really made a lot of money off of it. That's why they sold so many of them. It was like, you can just have the games for free. Why did Sony give up on the Vita? Was it for that same reason? Did they just see the writing on the wall and they didn't think they were gonna make enough money? I think it was more than that. But yeah, I think they kind of saw how little some of the big games that they were excited about sold. And they were like, all right, screw it, we're not putting any more effort into this. Especially cause the PS4 came out and was doing crazy. They're like, all right, why do we even need to care about this? Well, I have a, so they had this handheld but then they also have like this super powerful PlayStation six thing. They'd probably have to make different games for each platform. See, I don't think they would ever do that. Nate, I was saying that the PlayStation six, if it was a full hybrid. If the PlayStation six was a full hybrid, yeah. Yeah, I don't think there's, they're ever gonna go back to that. Cause I think that's a dated thing. Well, I don't know that it's dated. I just don't think that they can support two systems with enough games. Well, yeah, Nintendo releases way more games than Sony doesn't. Nintendo was struggling to do it. Yeah. Well, Sony has two platforms. They have PlayStation, they have PlayStation VR and look at how much they can support that. Yeah. They can't. I have PSVR too. Yeah. Not a lot of support. No. That's neat. And that requires you to also still have the PlayStation five on top. So it's like, The PSVR and PSVR two will kind of feel like another version of the Vita in a way. A lot of money you need to get into for something that isn't supported well. I mean, if anything, I could see Sony doing like a dedicated VR device where you don't need anything else. That's the problem. Like, that's not by Sony though, right? No, but I was just saying there are devices that already do that. Yeah, I know. I just mean like, like in terms of like what PlayStation might do in the future, you know, if they're going to have. A couple other from the system. Yeah. Yeah. Like that might be one way to kind of go about it. I also want, I also wonder on this note because, you know, we're thinking about what the PS6 might have as far as a base graphical capability still from that standpoint. But I also wonder if we're getting to a point in games, like, you know, the same way that, I don't know if you guys saw the Samsung Galaxy S24 event today, but, you know, phones have hit this point where they're plateauing, you know, it's very, very minimal upgrades. And then you have those comments, I think from like Miyamoto where he was talking about how now it's like so much easier to like do old school games, you know, and bring them forward just because of like the way that coding is getting and things within game development. So much easier just to like, basically make anything playable on the current gen hardware. And I almost wonder if we're approaching the point in game development where, yeah, if you had like a crazy powerful PS6 and that was the new graphical standard that devs don't have to like jump through all these crazy hoops. They can just make like a version that doesn't have ray tracing and doesn't have the same amount of crazy base resolution and AI can kind of, you know, basically fill in the middle ground to get some kind of workable version running on like a native hybrid console like Nintendo. Like, I wonder if by time we're talking about the power gap of the PS6 to wherever the Nintendo Switch 2 is at that point in time, if it's not even the same conversation anymore because AI has really changed how what you can do with games and game development as a whole. It's a good point. Very good point because I think AI is going to play a huge role in game development going forward. Obviously they're going to play a huge role. They're going to play a huge role in a lot of things probably in our lives in the next five to 10 years in many different areas but specifically with gaming it's going to be very interesting because yeah, they might be able to pick up the slack on that hardware. If it's weaker hardware, the AI might be able to lift it up enough to where it's not that big of a deal. Yeah, or we have like this, you know, ARM versus X86 type of like base coding or whatever and maybe AI can just translate that base code to where it's not all the heavy lifting that developers have to put a bunch of like serious revenue into, you know, they can just have literally machines do the majority of the work like it doesn't seem like it's out of the realm of possibility that in five years, stuff like that is happening, you know. Sorry game developers, there's going to be a lot less jobs. I mean, it's scary, but you know, there's so many like positions that are being high like an AI like project manager or whatever. So it's like they're still hiring somebody but you know, it's like to get these systems in place that are going to do the heavy lifting and then you, so for every like team of 100 employees now you have like 10 project managers that oversee it, you know, it's, yeah, it's kind of I mean, we've already seen it, the industry has so many layoffs right now. All these companies doing really well but then, oh, we're hiring like 50 people for AI but you just laid off 5,000. Oh man. It happens in every industry though. Like if you think about as technology advances and things get better, like when the assembly line came into it, you know, how much less work is needed with that? And I mean, this is just, this is just what happens, things get more efficient and the workforce has to shift to where there's a bigger need. So that's, it's sort of just the way it's always worked in society. Well, we'll go ahead and transition to the next one. We have a couple of super chats that actually help us transition into some Nintendo Direct stuff. First one came in here from Taker 610. It's okay, we'll just get through these quick and you can get your point in if you want to get it before we do the predictions. Taker 610 says, here's to a direction exactly three weeks from today. What are you, Tommy Bear knows? I'm just asking. Anyways, thank you so much, Taker 610 for that. Tommy Bear knows to the scam. And then we had just a quick prediction in, David Lopez says one of my predictions for the next Nintendo Direct is a stealth drop or release date or Penny's big breakaway. Dude, I'll do a shot to that. I like that. I actually think that game looks really fun. I like that. That is shot worthy to me, baby. I like that prediction. Wait, wait, wait. Can someone, I miss this. What's this? I just Google a trailer. It's a really fun looking platformer. Yep. Is it? It's a very fun one. It's not like a sequel to Penny Punching Princess, is it? No. It reminds me of that game for 64. It was a platformer. Might have been by HAL. Might have been by HAL Laboratory. We're not talking about Kirby's Crystal Shards, are we? No, not custom. Yeah, that was a side spoiler. That was a side spoiler. Oh, man. What was it? That was like something like Robot or Robo. Robot on Wheels. Was the sir title of it? No idea. Robot. I don't like it. It's definitely not a game. Robot on Wheels. That's what it is. Who made this game? It's called Robot on Wheels. It's called Rocket. Robot on Wheels. Rocket, Robot on Wheels. I remember that game. Oh, is Yubi Soft and Soccer Box? Soccer Box back in the day. Oh, I see what you mean, though. I've never seen this before. When I first saw that. So the people that make this are the developers of Sonic Mania? I think so, yeah. Yeah. What? The studio was founded by the developers of Sonic Mania in 2018. It's a good game. Yeah. So that's a good. I love that prediction. Did the $5 shop for it. Totally worth it. What do you want to get in on just before we get into our predictions? Oh, yeah, this is something I've been sitting on for a little bit, but never really saw a good time to kind of tangent. But since we were kind of talking about Switch 2 and things that can take away from Switch 2, we already kind of messaged message message. We already kind of spoke on messaging and just how the game system is advertised and just general misinformation and things that are understood about the system. And right now, we don't have pure facts. So it's not exactly the same. But there is that this discussion about Switch 2 being PS4 level. But according to the most reliable information we have, that is just like so off. So the reported specs by Universal Nintendo, which kind of includes a lot of information. He has inside sources on dev kits and things that nature. Like we're hearing about 12 to 16 gigabytes. The PS4 head eight, like the tariff flops, like portable mode is in the range of PS4, right? So we're not in dock mode is more powerful, like significantly. So we're not even talking about like a docked Switch 2 being PS4 level. We're talking about some raw numbers being comparable in portable mode when it's only meant for a smaller screen. And yet it still is going to be running on more modern, newer architecture. And so it's going to still be able to do things better than PS4 in portable mode, not even accounting for DLSS. So it's just this whole notion that PS4, it's just, at least based off what we're hearing from the reliable sources, it's just so far from the truth. And to the point people have made, there are a lot of really good looking PS4 games. Even so, it's just- Ghost of Tsushima and God of War Ragnarok is all I have to say. If you're not happy with how those games look, yeah, Horizon, it's like, what do you want? You know, it's- Final Fantasy 7 Remake. And then like you said, that's without all the tech, you know, advancements that Nintendo will be able to tap into. Hey, Green, I'm not buying those rumors about the PS1 or the PS1, PS4 style graphics. Oh no, wait, wait, wait. We're not going to go on that far. No, no, no, no, no. I mean, PS1 style graphics, that's the original. There's not even any rumors about it though. That's the other thing, like this whole PS2 Twitter, PS4 conversation kind of came from- I think it came from the Taiwanese report. But, and that's, and that, that report, like it in and of itself is kind of contradictory. Like they want to give you 120 Hertz, like- On the screen, but on the screen, yeah. That doesn't make any sense. Doesn't make any sense at all. Doesn't it kind of tie back to Bobby Kotick's, like comments too though, whatever he would like to expecting. It's more in line with, you know, the PS4 and Xbox One consoles or something like that. That's a reading comprehension issue. Yeah, cause, well, cause he doesn't really say it like that, but you could read it. That's how everybody walked away. Oh, it'll be powerful and like as powerful as those consoles, but that's not really what's being said. More in line does not mean as powerful as- Yeah, and I guess people that aren't analytical about these things, they don't like think deeply about it and they're like, oh, okay, that, whatever. But to sum that's gonna be not as good as I want it to be. Everybody complaining on Twitter right now about the graphical power is either so anti-Nintendo that they're not gonna buy it anyway, or they're gonna wait, and one game's gonna come out that they have to have and then they're just gonna go buy it and you're never gonna see him complain about it again. I think 90% fit that description, yeah. You know, it's funny, being on YouTube, right? You get hate comments, you know, inherently. And so I'll see some nasty stuff sometimes from some people and I'd think, oh, okay, well, they're never watching again. And the next video, I see them comment like, oh, I don't like- They hate watch. Right, I don't like- People love to be outraged and there's something about it. And but they'll still watch, right? So how much do they really hate you if they're continued? I don't get that, but you know- It's a powerful emotion. Yeah. You know what I say, love and hate are two sides of the same coin. Yeah, supposedly they're like in the same area of your brain, like the same thing happens if you're feeling love or hate, so it makes sense that you can get addicted to either one. So all those Nintendo haters are actually huge breath of the wild kinds. I also think a lot of the discourse, because I did a video covering this and I feel like a lot of that discourse that was happening on social media over the power of an unannounced system, I think it's just a lot of people that are probably gonna shit talk Nintendo anyways and already do shit talk Nintendo. And they wanna get their potshots in now because they know, and we all know, once the system's announced and Nintendo doesn't really tell us the specs because that's not what they do. They blow you away with the games. Every argument they try to make against it, someone's just gonna link the trailer to the new Mario game. Then they're gonna be like, this looks absolutely fucking incredible and the whole internet agrees. So whatever you have to say about the power doesn't matter because look how great the game's like, because that's always Nintendo's, that's the counter argument to everything. Even when Switch was being called weak, people were like, yeah, but did you see Breath of the Frickin' Wild and Mario Odyssey? Did you see those games? Mario Odyssey is still a crazy. That game runs at 60 frames per second, large worlds, it's so detailed, and it hovers around 900p. Like that's pretty good for Switch. And that's a launch game. It's a launch year title. Launch year title on hardware that was two years old at launch. Yeah. Yeah. So it's one of those things that I think they're just having some fun now getting their potshots in while they come because they know once it comes out and the games are there and they drop something like Elden Ring on it and it actually looks pretty damn good on the system and they're not gonna be able to talk shit. People were doing it with Switch before it came out and then they shut the hell up when Doom showed up. They shut the hell up. Doom wasn't supposed to be capable on it and it not only was it capable, it actually looked good at the time. Yeah. And I think one of them came out a little bit after Skyrim, right? Was there? Yeah, I think it was a little bit after. But I remember when they showed that teaser trailer back in 2016, right? And they show all these things and I remember the arguments saying, all of these games are just hypotheticals, none of them are real. They were all real. No, NBA 2K is not actually there. That was just bullshit. It's been here every year, guys. In fact, it wasn't until this most recent NBA 2K that they finally started cutting features because the Switch is too weak for what they're doing. That's crazy. That's crazy. That means for six straight years we got the full NBA 2K experience. I got a few of them on Switch. Yeah, I love NBA 2K. Looking forward, by the way, for it being 60 FPS on Switch 2, that's like the big upgrade for me with that game is I want 60 FPS on Switch. Because I have it on PS5 because of that. It's hard to go back to the Switch version of it once you play the Switch 2. I can't wait for 60 FPS on Switch 2. What's the next topic? So that's OK. It's OK. It's under direct predictions. Oh, OK, because the way too early hasn't been announced direct predictions. Maybe this will be a little bit of a transition, actually, not a tangent. I mean, it could be a tangent, but hopefully transition. Because I'm thinking about Call of Duty. Call of Duty on Switch 2, it's going to be... If we're talking about Switch 2's success, if we see consistent Call of Duty on the system... Well, I mean, half-duty... And then Nintendo's... Well, yeah, legally, they're kind of legally they have to. What's really crazy about that is that what if Nintendo starts to kind of steal a bit of that audience? I know a lot of Call of Duty players is like, oh, I don't know if I want to play on Nintendo. Right? Like, I know a lot of people are going to feel that way. You get like five years in. Right. Like, if every year it comes out and it runs really well, there's a kick-ass controller. Nintendo has a kind of a little bit of an unimproved online situation. And you get to keep playing it when you get up to go take a shit. Yeah, I bet that it'll still be bigger on Sony. But it'll be pretty good on Switch 2, I think. And so I bring up, you know, this is the hopeful, like, segue, right? Like, Call of Duty, like, I think Switch 2 could become, like, bigger for, like, online multiplayer shooters. And what if Nintendo perhaps showcases a certain game in the next Nintendo Direct that has an online mode? It has a lot to do with shooting. I wonder if Report-A-V is talking about Conqueror's first-person computer game online. Report-A-V, I mean, you could have been talking about the online mode for the original Conqueror's. I didn't even know it had one. There's shooting shooties in there. Oh, there's lots of shooting shooties in there. There was online? No, it was just a multiplayer mode. But if it was brought to NSO. And they could, oh, oh, oh, the original one. Oh, they bring the OG. Not the Xbox One. Well, we don't have Xbox on NSO. Yeah, but still. They bring the OG. I'll be all over that multiplayer. It is so good. Yeah. Do they add online to that? Oh, man. You guys don't even know. If you did not play and having enough friends to play Conqueror's bad for a multiplayer, you don't know. It is so good. Like they mixed gunplay with samurai swords. I don't know what the hell they did. Teddy bears, dude, it's insane. It is so fun. Oh, man. By the way, one of the funnest multiplayer. And this was rare. I like their in their prime. Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's so good. They want a hot take form. You want a hot take? I could see original Xbox games and Dreamcast games on Nintendo Switch online before GameCube. You know, that is a hot Xbox games. But Dreamcast, you might be right about Dreamcast. I think you could be very dreamcast. I don't think it's a hot take. But I will think I can see that because you're still remaking them. So there's no predictions since we sat through it. NSO announcement. Conquerors bad for a day. Do you just throw it out there? That's a hot take. Just throwing it out there. Hey, prediction now. I know you want to we're referencing Metroid there for a while. I mean, we are a moment. It's coming. Totally phenomenal. Reportedly phenomenal. We'll see. But, uh, man, Conquerors bad for a day. I mean, look, look, here's the thing with this next Nintendo Direct. I don't think there's going to be. I don't think the system like the new system is going to be announced before it. So I think this is going to be really focused, like the last direct that's like really just about Switch, like the Swanson Direct for Switch. And I say Swanson, I'm not saying they'll never be other announcements for Switch in the future. Just the only direct that's like, because the last I don't know that they've been putting Nintendo Switch in the name of their directs all last year, which they weren't doing before indicating that there. And when we say in the name in the in the titles. I know, yeah, it's a direct date dash Nintendo Switch. Yeah, yeah, which indicates they're eventually going to have ones that are going to say dash something else. And so right now, since I think this is just to be switched, I do think there still could be some more NSO announcements coming. And so that's why I'm throwing it out there. Hey, man, I want it. And 64 is already there. We've already seen some rare games up here. So screw it. Give it to me. Give it to me dirty. Give it to me nasty. Let's go and see why it couldn't happen. I mean, if we got GoldenEye and we got the online for 64. Yeah, well, why not? That was a tough one. People even realize how great the online is on this until it releases, then it's going to be like, dude, you just need to get one big streamer to play this online. So I to be to be totally honest, like if there's one more rare game that should be, I mean, there's actually, they should add a whole bunch of they should all of them. But like, if there's like one more that's like going to be the most hype, it is going to be Conker's batch for a day. Right. But I don't discount. Don't discount Diddy Kong racing now. Andres, don't discount Diddy Kong racing. I would argue that Conker's bad for Conker. Like I'm I I want I want all of the rare games. Killer Instinct, for example, like, oh, come on, but that's a two way. But what I want to try Donkey Kong 64. Anyways, there's more. But the issue with Conker's bad for a day is that not only is it rated M, which is tough. But to your point, we got GoldenEye, right? Like, GoldenEye is more of a rights issue. And if we got that from that perspective, everything else is possible. And given that it's rated M, like that does make it more feasible. Heck, I kind of talk myself into it now because in Japan, they actually had an adult app. So it's not even just Japan. It's not even just Japan now that later on, I think it was Australia or somewhere else, like, or maybe even in the European region of the world. Like, it's there's an 18 plus NSO app for what's Jeff Force Gemini. So yeah, because it's not rated teen in all. Yeah, exactly. So so just the fact that we didn't get an 18 plus NSO is just because of our rating system being different. But the minute that they want to drop Conker's bad for a day, they could just do an 18 plus, you know, an M rated Conker, like considered adult only. Or is it as a program? Yeah, yeah, because it has like sexual themes, but there's no like swear words and but there's no actual nudity in it. So I think it stays in the M ration rating, but there's another element to Conker's bad for a day that makes it challenging. And it's just Nintendo's own personal feelings on that game. Well, hold on. I want to stop right there because I got to I have a problem with that narrative because everyone always says, oh, you know, Rare was like mad at Nintendo for something. So they reworked the game and made it all dirty and stuff, blah, blah, blah. Nintendo really had that big of a problem with it. Why did they release it on the N64 then? They could have. I don't think they really cared that much. And I don't think that's kind of. Dude, they released like porn on and put it in top of the narrative started because I was in court at the time talking about violence in video games and rating systems and stuff like that was exactly back then. The Nintendo was involved in. So they had to like publicly appear like they would be against the game like that. And I don't think internally they ever were. Yeah. I think a lot of that's the old guard, too. I do. I think that's what we got to do, you know, because we all know Nintendo, if they don't want something on their console, they're not going to publish it. GJ literally just yank the plug. I got never would have thought GTA would have been on a Nintendo console, yet they got the GTA trilogy here today. They're also if you go on the Switch eShop, right? Speaking to your to your point, there's a whole bunch of hentai games. Although that's what I was saying, yeah, you know, you have to search for it. Just go to like, like you just go down pages. Like you're going to see when I was talking about it at the beginning, I was scrolling down and it was like one of the top three games on the on the great dealers, you know, the great deals. It was 1999, marked down to $1.99 when we all know it's it should be cost $0.99 at all. They should pay me to play. He's crazy. I was one of the achievers. When games do that, they like mark them down to the price that they're willing to be fair. That is the that's one of the greatest flaws of the eShop. The eShop has really bad discovery algorithms. So companies are doing that so they can actually have their games be found. I think they also need a rating system, like out of five stars. Like I want to know what other users, how other users feel. Yeah, they have that on you. They have that on you. It'd be great to save on them back. And the thing is, like they don't, it can be done in a way where it's not going to be like hate, like, you know, hate, like you can't hate bomb it, right? Like review bomb, because maybe you have to buy the game in order to put a star rating. Like if you don't have it downloaded, like I'll be going on the great deals, trying to get a good deal on a maybe hidden gem or a game. I haven't heard much of and you have nothing to base it on. So you can see like a $40 game is on sale for $5. You're like, oh, maybe this is cool. And all you have to go on is like, unless you literally go and do research. But when you're just impulse buying something, browsing the Switch eShop, that's how they get you. But like if you're on Steam, you immediately see all the reviews right away. So you can make a much better decision. And I understand that's a lot of that is me being lazy, but come on, that's how a lot of us browse the eShop, especially with, you know. No, they should totally do it. They should totally do that. And they should do like the same way Amazon does like a verified review or whatever it means that they purchase the game. Yeah, you should even be allowed to review it. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. So it's a verified review section makes all the sense in the world. But I think that's how Wii U is. Wii U won't even let you drop a star rating. Yeah. And that's what it should be, because there's going to be people that are mad at a game and just review bomb it like that, like we see that. It's already like who's going to buy a game just to review bomb it. Like that's yeah, he's going to be on it. I don't know if there's people that will scale. It's like the people that have a mascot Colin Kaepernick jerseys just to light them on fire. Yeah, yeah, there's people that will do it. It just won't be a massive scale. It is the same idea. I would agree it won't be enough to skew the skew the millions that probably enjoy it and put good. Yeah, maybe you have to play for a certain amount of time and all of their first party games do way better on the PlayStation store than on of course, right? And it would be the same for Nintendo. But Nintendo is just weird and likes to have all that. That's the way it was on Wii U. Like all Nintendo games are like all five star. I don't think I saw one below five star if they're all rated five star. Even if look, look, look, it shouldn't be five star alongside like Pikmin three. All right, I'm just saying I guess what's going to happen way more is that Nintendo fans will just five star everything they bought. That's going to happen way more often than people review bombing it. So it'll balance out even to the other end. Yeah, this is this is not saying what I'm sure we'll be able to prove. But I kind of feel like if they had a star rating system like this and it was available when tears of the kingdom came out, tears of the kingdom would not have five stars based off how much negative conversation has been about this game from Zelda fans. I bet it would have like a four and a half or four for four and a half. It's still awesome. Still awesome. I bet your breath of the wild might have fell to four and a half over time. But I mean, I think most people here are tears that are on the tears of the kingdom love side. Steve, I don't know where you stand. Oh, absolutely. OK. So but I guess my point is like, since we're all on the same side here, right, to me, anything below five out of five stars is an insult to the game. But there's enough. There's enough Zelda people. I mean, I still see it in comments on some of the bigger Zelda videos like that they just want traditional back. So I think it would get that either way. But tears of the kingdom was uniquely controversial because the seven dollar price and people were calling it DLC. But all that silence as soon as it came out, that's what was so funny about it. It's like everybody, you know, so if it was verified purchases, it might dip down to like 4.5, maybe 4.7 or something. If they if they do it like that, I think a lot of the Zelda fan bases split on this, like the like the like the really core, like the, you know, the purest sub. I still think it's just a vote of minority that that hates on it. But yeah, agree. It is more people than I thought. I will say that I thought it was a lot less. And then I there's a lot of discourse. But yeah, the rare here's here's the way I look at it. The game sold over 20 million copies at this point. Probably way over. Yeah, like there aren't 20 million people online bitching about it. It's probably in the thousands, which is literally the definition of a vocal minority. Most people that love the game are going online to talk about it. They just play the game, love, like, give me an example. My fiance, she literally plays the game every day. She loves her favorite video game she's ever played, tears of the kingdom. You'll never find her online talking about it. Right. Most people don't go online. The customer service surveys. Yes, the only people to call in for them are the ones that are that are bad. Have a bad experience, right? You know, the only people that leave Yelp reviews for the most part are the ones that are pissed off. Yeah, that's how YouTube comments work as well. You get the positive comments, but sometimes it feels a little skewed because no, dude, it's like we're full circle. It's back to that hate and love thing. Yeah, that's how the world mostly works these days. Remember, remember, you can drive out darkness with darkness only with light. You cannot drive out hate with hate only with love. You're giving a little too deep right now. I'm not really sure if I understand who the one's ever said that's me in my life, especially not next girlfriend, never, never. So getting back to the actual topic, predictions for the internal direct. I want to throw it to Eric. You changed my mind, actually, guys. I actually think Congress bad for it. It can happen. Hell yeah, dude. Hell yeah. I want it to happen. Hell yeah. Is Banjo 2 we on switch online? It's not right. No, no. I think that would be more likely. They could get that too. I think that'll come over. Yeah, I think we're eventually going to get most rare games. We got three already. I think more are coming for sure. The fact that we got Jet Force Gemini had opened up the door for everything because I mean, that's one of the more deep cut rare games. And if that came over, I'm sure there's a reason why. Before you can make the argument that I open up the door to every. Well, that's a good point. Yeah, but you could have made the argument that GoldenEye was like this one off, right? Sure. Banjo was like the rare representative. And then after Banjo and Goldeneye, like everything else, you could technically cast to the side. But yeah, with Jet Force is like a huge sign that, you know what? Because that's that's like it's a great rare game, but it is just one of many great rare games. So I'm 100 percent agree with you. You know, I personally believe Microsoft really wants to do business with Nintendo. But yeah, Phil Spencer said he wants that it's his career move to acquire them. So it's as long as he's been in deals. He's all he's opening that IP train, Nintendo. What do you want, baby? I'm trying to die, Nintendo, not even based off like the recent stuff that's came out about, you know, Microsoft maybe going third party, maybe not that whole talk because that's something too. But like he he has an affinity for Nintendo. He really truly believe he loves them as a gamer. This is what Phil should be like. Look, you want the rest of the rare games? I got you. You make one promise, Nintendo. Master Chiefs in Smash. Period. Period. That's the exchange. That everyone is happy in that kind of feels like a win win. Yeah, right. It is a win win for everyone. It's kind of surprising it didn't happen. Because Phil Spencer said he wanted it. Yeah, while there was deals. Yeah. Yeah. And it never happened yet. That's right. Can I can I can I talk? Speak on Smash for a little bit, actually. We've been out of Smash Cycle for a bit, but it's actually really interested me thinking back on Smash because. This is me somewhat tuning my horn here. But I did technically have someone that told me, I guess I had a source that told me that Banjo is coming to Smash. And but I completely forgot about it because like a year because it took a long time for it to happen. Banjo Kazooie came to Smash Brothers like holy shit, like it happened. But I also remember this isn't from me. But I forget his name, but there was a big YouTuber doesn't necessarily cover Nintendo news just like, you know, does. I haven't seen him in a while, but he one day just made a video. I don't you might not even be like a gaming YouTube might be just like anime or something. But one day he just made a video and he's just like, guys, guys, Sora coming to Smash Brothers. Then he just like ended the video and no one talked about it for like two or three years. So is a final character in Smash Brothers. And so like I only say that to bring up right. Like sometimes like we talk about certain rumors about certain games. And since we're talking about Smash and kind of reminded of these times there were rumors for Banjo for Sora, sometimes it takes a few years, right. So we talk about Master Chief. I feel like there has been conversation about Master Chief. I don't know if there was like a really good rumor on it. I want to kind of sift through the info from years back. But sometimes, you know, certain characters are like almost going to make it. But they get held off for that next Smash game. Because I think there were some Smash characters and almost gone to Smash for Wii U and 3DS, but were kind of pushed on to Smash Ultimate. And so, you know, if Master Chief was in that conversation for Smash Ultimate, I feel like definitely would be in the conversation for that next Smash generation. Now I'm assuming that he was. I don't know that for a fact or anything, but, you know, I don't know. I actually could see it happening. Like, yeah, I could definitely see it happening. And this is going to be in the directs just for the record. Yeah, yeah, definitely. You heard it here first. Andres Restart says Master Chief character reveal coming up at the February. Yeah, you heard it here first. All right. I'm just a dumb YouTuber and not like a journey. There's some more some more predictions here. Eric, what do you got? You have something? Oh, come on. Oh, nothing. Did I take your only one? And so I want snowboard kids. There you go. Damn it. I want some more kids. Snowboard kids for classic. Give me give me both of them. Give me give me a new one. Get HD collection. Yes. Snowboard kids. Yeah, I mean, that is that's the dream that I really want. That's the dream. Literally, you want to give them to stop playing tears of the kingdom, drop snowboard kids so much that I want to see a release date for the Plucky Squire. So oh, there you go. That's a great and that could be in that one. I really want to see. Yeah, is that of all of our digital? Yes. Yes, it is. I love so many. We were talking about Katana Zero last week. They pick a lot of great games to publish. Is that are they developing that one? I don't probably. Yeah, probably just publishing. I don't know. Yeah. Well, Erica, Google it up. All right. How about Thunder, Steve? Developer all possible futures. Or shall I say Botnik Sun? Yeah, they're just publishing. I'm going to. Are you guys? No one's going to PAX East this time. I'm going to be there. Devolver Digital always has an awesome beat. So quick story about Devolver, guys. I went to E3 2017. OK, this is a true story. I swear on everything. I go there with my cousin is my first time going to E3. So it was a total bucket list item for me since I've been following E3 since I think since 96 when it was in Nintendo Power talking about 64. And we got in right across the street from the LA Convention Center. Devolver Digital had a party all three days of E3. They had kegs. They had bottle service. That sounds like that. That totally sounds like I have pictures from it. We told them you had to have a special pass to get in. I told my cousin, I said, I'm just going to walk through real quick and act as if. And then I want you to yell my name where security is. I'm going to wave you in and see if it works. What's the worst that could happen? They tell us to leave, right? Who cares? So they didn't and our cover the whole time when people asked, like, what do we do in the industry? We told them we work for the ESRB and we're the only single guys that work for the ESRB. So they sent us out here to E3. And we partied with them three days straight. The kegs, the kegs never ran dry. They were always tapping new ones. It was so awesome. And so that was like my E3 experience. Dude, you were like a dream, man. You were like you were like the Leonardo DiCaprio and catch three if you can. Yeah, catch three if you can. Yeah, it was kind of a little wedding crashers action getting in on those parties. Yeah, it was the best. We did it, right? But I had to I had to share that. They are all really, really cool down the earth. OK, predictions. So I got it. I got a handful here. You guys just want me to like. Yeah. All right. Here we go. Let's go. Sure. OK, if Metroid Prime 4 is as close to or possibly already completed, as the recent news may suggest. And it's a launch title for Switch 2. Then obviously we need to get Metroid Prime 2 and 3 out the door because as we know, like, Metroids never sold as well as probably we would have liked it to. And Nintendo really needs to make sure that they get these games out and build that hype accordingly so Metroid Prime 4 can succeed. I'm not expecting a fall on remake, I'm guessing none of us are. But I'm expecting, you know, upgraded resolution, maybe a couple of bells and whistles here and there. I don't even know if we can call it a remake or a remaster. But I wouldn't call it a port either. I wouldn't call it a direct port. It's a little bit better than that. Yeah. Princess Peach Showtime, I think we get a trailer, but I also think we're going to get a mini direct because I think they really want to push this game and push everyone that's getting a game that's part of the Mario movie universe. They're going to make they're going to make their money back and then some on any movie development costs with the video games, in my opinion. The Wind Waker Twilight Princess port. Maybe, maybe not. We've been talking about this for how many years, guys? What, two, three years? It feels like since the Switch programmers back back a while ago. So I'm thinking like, what if the reason why it still hasn't come out is because they decided to instead prep it for Switch 2 so we have some Zelda right out of the gate? That's just a hypothetical I thought of. Mother 3, can we please get this? It's Earthbound's 30th anniversary. Apparently Nintendo has plans to commemorate it. So you guys read that or you guys might have reported on it already. Yeah, official Twitter account. There's an Earthbound documentary that came out just a couple of months ago. I have it pre-ordered on Blu-ray and I'm looking forward to watching. It hasn't came yet. You know, like I would have never guessed that we would have got a Super Mario RPG remake. Like for me, that was awesome. I'm a huge fan of it. So I feel like if that's possible, then maybe Mother 3 finally getting localized as possible now. Paper Mario 1000 year door. I think we get a release date and confirmation of a physical release just like they did with Metroid Prime and Pikmin OnePlus 2. Would not be surprised to see 3DS's Metroid Samus Returns port it to Switch since they are doing 3DS ports. Outside of that, I think we're going to get more ports, more farming games and probably just Dance 2025. Hell, yeah, that is a bold prediction. Sir, right? How dare you, sir? Those are my predictions for now. Let me ask you a question, Steve. Yeah, I'm not sure I'm feeling the the boatload of farming games. So maybe we should maybe you should make a bet. Maybe you should say if there are no farming games, you should shave your moustache. I don't know about that. I can't do that. You know how long it takes to grow a moustache like that? Don't worry. They're going to show off Metroid Prime 4 in the direct and they're going to show off a gameplay feature where Samus can kind of farm a little bit with the alien exotic plant life. And so that'll be considered a farming sim, so you can get you know, it's true that they may don't actually make that bet. It's you're probably going to be safe, but I don't even if there's a one percent chance you're wrong, you don't take the rest on the line. I'm not making the bet at all. Don't do it. And now that I think about it, I'm not going to shake on it. So many farming games, the past couple of directs. I don't know. I don't know if they have any more to be honest with you now that I think about it. There's always more farming. There's always another farming game for the Nintendo studio. There's more coming. Hey, wait, if I'll make it every year, there's a harvest every year. Stakes are going to be high. I really would hate to lose this. But if Nintendo announces any video games. I'll bleach my asshole. Please, no one take me up on that. I really don't want to have to do that. You want to be really good. But you could actually share proof of that on your only fans. Wow, I wasn't even thinking of that. That's I guess if I if people want me to have the hard access to get the proof. Yeah, yeah, the profit turning for you. Well, it would only be I either don't have to bleach it or I do. And I make a chain. Yeah, just enough to pay for Tom slash two inch destroyer. I was wondering how long it was going to stay clean. We have crossed the threshold. I still haven't been approved for monetization, but the sites up. Well, you know, maybe you got to start posing some media there. They got to see you're a real user, not a bot. Yeah. Well, they maybe took all these pictures of my license. And yeah, yeah, they do that there. Yeah. And then I mean, I don't know what they do there. That the second Ellen Randall is like scratched off like because it's like so old. So it's like they're not that's the hold up, but I'll figure it out. I probably have to get a new one from the DMV. Probably. All right. Who wants to go next with predictions? I got a few girls. Let's go. I'm going to I'm going to say February 7th is the date to start. And it's not I mean, it could be the following week. But I like I like Wednesday and not. Yeah. And not because of who is it? Something bear knows how me better know. Yeah. Yeah. I actually the reason I think it's the 7th is one February. Directs are normally earlier in the month and to Nintendo's investors meeting is that week, right? Literally, yeah, the 6th. So it just it's not like it's a perfect track record or anything. But there is a lot of weeks where the investor meeting and a direct happens at the same time. Yeah. Plus me and Moto is getting his asshole bleached on Valentine's Day. Well, there you go. And if he's posting that in his only fans, you should probably try to shout it out. It was February 8th last year. So early. Yeah. And we already ninth the year prior. It just seems like early in the month seems to be the more recent trend. And I am also expecting Metroid to be there now. The big question mark. And I can't really decide on this, but it is predictions. I'm just going to commit. I'm going to say that we get the shadow drop of two and three first in a bundle pack. And then we don't hear anything about Prime Four, but that happens in the middle of the event. And the one last thing is actually the trailer for Prime Four. And it might it might just say 2024. But we will get a shadow drop of Prime Two and Three as a bundle pack. We'll get a physical release date a couple of weeks out. Same way as Prime One. And then it'll be Prime Four will be the show closer. I hope that's what happens. But I'm very on the fence of whether or not we see Prime Four at all. It might just be another now Metroid Prime Two and Three are playable on the switch. And then they don't mention Prime Four. That could totally be a possibility to. I think either way, that's a win, though. Yeah, same, same. Because you know, it's coming. Well, yeah, that's what. And I said this, I said this in my like today's Metroid Prime Four video with the new news that came out from Super Metal Dave 64 and Andres. I know you made a video on it, too. But in my opinion, the marketing cycle for Prime Four started with Prime One remastered, you know, they were. They did not bring that back just for funsies. They're getting the Metroid fan base accustomed with the fact that they're about to have a fourth installment, you know, and you have to like have an easy way to play a 20 year old game on the current console. So I think they do the same thing with two and three, but their shadow dropped. And I do think I don't know this, obviously, but I buy into the rumor because Jeff Grubb was the same guy who said Prime One was coming this whole time. Talk about betting wrong shaved his head and beard because he tried to time it for the end of 2022. And of course, they released it in 2023. But he thought or he heard that Prime Two and Three were not getting as big of a remaster treatment as Prime One. So I also think that they will look something more like the Pikmin collection where it's just an HD upris. It's still going to look great, but I don't think it's the reworked lighting engine. I do think that they'll they'll carry over the control like all the control customization options. I think it'd be weird not to do that. Yeah. And then I think, honestly, most of my predictions are that it's going to be a smaller direct in general. I don't think we're going to hear a bunch of new game announcements. We will get maybe some more ports and remasters, and I'm hoping for Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, but I have zero expectation of those actually happening. And I also wonder, because I think Nintendo could do two things with them because they could either make them like the good like the really great let's finish out the switches lifecycle with some bangers, all the games and everybody's going to go buy these. Or they could save them for here's your Zelda to play on the switch, too. And I don't know which route they'll take, honestly. I think it's kind of a coin toss on either one. So if they were going to put him out at the end of the switches lifecycle, I think they'll be at this event. But if they're not, I'm almost I'm almost open to the idea that it's like we get the Oracle games remastered or or Minish Cap is getting. You know, some some other 2D Zelda game is going to get a Link's Awakening treatment. I could see that being the other path instead of the Wind Waker, Twilight Princess. And then I think, yeah, I'm fine with however they do. If it's all to anything this year, early in the year, I will be thrilled. But I do think we're going to get something's all in 2024. I feel pretty confident about that. Um, I think there will be a small NSO update. But I don't know if Nintendo is going to do the roadmaps in the same way. They might just like show a trailer of some games. But I feel like they're almost to a point, maybe maybe just with the N64 where we're just going to get the surprise announcements, you know, like the way that they just dropped three games all at once with two of them being totally not announced, you know, recently in December. I wonder if they're even going to do a strict roadmap anymore. But I do think NSO will be mentioned at the event, but I'm not expecting any new consoles to be announced. I don't think we get any kind of new consoles until next gen at the soonest. But then I think it's going to be a lot of updates on existing games. Pay, you know, Paper Mario, Thousand Year Door gets a release date. Luigi's Mansion 2 HD, it's a release date and more in-depth look. You know, we're still going to get that final marketing push and maybe even deep dive of Princess Peach Showtime. And it might feel like more on the side of a smaller direct from a first party standpoint, other than those potential Metroid updates. Because I think that they're just wrapping up what's in development for the Switch and then hopefully by summertime direct June, what would normally be their big E3 direct. They have all of the big announcements because they've already talked about next gen console hardware. That's where I land on it, but we'll we'll we'll see. Yeah, I think I'm lining up with that, too. I could see all of that. Definitely happening. Part of me would rather have Zelda if it does come out. The twin pack. Oh, yeah, we've jumped up. If it does come out, I'd rather see it come out at this point on. You know, switch to. I think I'm almost ready to transition just because everyone thinks it'll be a twin pack. I think they'll do it one at a time. Jake, that's funny. I literally was going there. I was I was I was always in the mindset of a twin pack when it was tied to the rumors of the 35th anniversary celebration. But as soon as that didn't happen, I was kind of like, gosh, will Nintendo really do this with Zelda? Like if there's not like an anniversary to say, this is why you're getting all this like Mario 3D All Stars, for example, if there's not like some kind of anniversary to celebrate, the Nintendo move is totally to release them six to nine months apart from each other, maybe even a year apart from each other and charge you 60 each. You know, yeah, I could totally see them charging like maybe 50 maybe 50. Yeah, but like, yeah, I could they seem to like really take those rumors personal, like they they just rub look bad. Like, I don't know. So I could see them, even if they were going to do it as a twin pack, they're like, all right, you know what? We're going to we're going to do this next generation and we're going to do them one at a time because fuck you. Well, what was it? Wasn't it a kitten? Krista or somebody was saying that Nintendo definitely pays a lot of attention to the kind of online talk that goes on. I wonder how much I don't think this is naturally nice. OK, I'm sorry. I don't foresee them like actually shifting big business plans, but I could see them like if it's something small and there's all this hype around it online, they seem like the type of company that's like, let's hold that back three months. You know, has anyone ever noticed that Nate and Eric looks super alike? Yeah, that's wow. Hey, hey, hey, give me a moment. We got some reason to the software changed our audio sources. So when I went to fix it, it messed the camera up. So it's going to be a bit. Hey, what's the charge for our Metroid Prime? Remastered was that 40 bucks? Forty American dollars. What if it follows that same formula? Like if paper Mario, a thousand year door comes out of $40. But I'm going to say right now that I'm not going to wake her. And while I did before Zelda and Mario will always be higher than. Let me know, but let me explain. Let me explain the important difference here. So Metroid Prime Mastered is a remaster, right? Has no actual new content. You know, it is definitely a hell of a discount. I agree. But I also, that's a good point that, you know, Martin, Zelda, they're always going to try to maximize sales with those IP. But also Paper Mario, a thousand year door is not just a remaster. It we've it's a remake. You it's a literally a new art style. We've already seen like change geometry in the game. We've already seen literally new characters in the game already as well. And so there may even be new content on top of that. So did you make a video about that? I did. You did. I watched it. That's a good point. So like, yeah, Paper Mario, a thousand year door is going to be a full price. Sixty dollar game. If Mario RPG is a full price game. Yeah, Paper Mario, a thousand year door is definitely going to be a full price game. So it's it's definitely a little different. That's not going to be 40 bucks. That would be that would be a hell of a deal. That would be a steal. I would love it. Prime Mastery have 40 dollars in all of the steel. You know, yeah, it's actually weird. That's like the only game that's 40. Like, like even games that should be 40 dollars from Nintendo aren't. Like, that's what I wanted to say when it came to 60 bucks. They really want to sell a lot more than it does. And I think Metroid Prime 4 is going to blow everyone away. And so they're doing things like that to try to. Yeah, just get it hyped up. They really took their time, like took like really good care of that remaster. And it feels like there could be a reason for that, you know. Agreed. I my only issue of Prime Masters didn't market it. Like they should have marketed to that game. The shadow drop. It was like, do you think that that was to its detriment and sales? Like, I mean, I think the shadow dropped helped. I don't know, because like we always get excited. Like when Nintendo shadow dropped something, especially something big like that. So I think it might have helped. But I don't know. And the thing is, like what is how often do our big thing shadow drop? I think it's the biggest shallow drop we've ever seen. Yeah, like it's normally something. That's why it was so exciting and that felt like they won. I guess so the reason why I think it was to its detriment is because the game hasn't even sold two million. Like it's like barely over a million for last we heard. And that's, I think, pretty bad. It was a quick wave of hype and it fizzled out immediately. But I don't think it would have had that much hype at the beginning without that. And then part of it was possible to get a physical copy. Anywhere, like which we know Nintendo's intentionally made things scarce for years to increase hype. That like played into the hype, too. But it was a great remaster and it's a it's a great game. But I did those little gimmicky things to get more people talking about it. And I think it helped. But I think at the end of the day, it's just like Metroid is not as well known as other Nintendo IP right now. Metroid Dread sold over three million. Yeah, like so I guess my point simply is that Metroid Prairie Masters is a higher rated game. It has a huge history. It was talked and rumored for so many years to your point. The show drop did create a lot of buzz initially. But when you go back to that direct, it didn't even have like a special moment. It was right in the middle. Yeah. Yeah, like they didn't like right after an episode update. And it wasn't like like the transition from like the here's what's next. And yeah, it wasn't it wasn't that. Yeah, I feel like Metroid Prairie Mastered may have suffered. And this is my my own pure speculation, right? But I think there's a little bit of a they got to a point where they were sitting on it because we know they sat on the game for over a year and a half. It was rated in Germany back in summer twenty one. I feel like they got to a point where they just realized, oh, we need to get this out like immediately. And so they just kind of threw it out there. They might have also felt like, though, because of what's going on with Prime 4 and not not show off yet. Like, you know, they might felt like like Shadow Dropping was the only option because because they didn't want to mention going to just comment on every single trailer leading into the release. Well, what's going on with four? What's going on with four? Because we were kind of in shock. Yeah, they couldn't tell us it's weird. They couldn't tell us, hey, Prime 4 development is going well again. They did that when they showed off a Dread. They didn't do it for for Prime 4, I mean, for primary master. So that is odd to me. But something that is interesting, right, going back to the rumor that both Nate and I reported on last year of the game being in play testing since early last year, we now have essentially confirmation of that because we now have job postings of Retro Studios staff or people who are contracted to work at Retro Studios of play testing since March of twenty twenty three, which coincides. Literally, the reports came out in March, right? So primary master came out February. And so if they started play testing Metroid Prime 4 early last year around March, they knew that the game was getting going into the finishing stages. So it kind of it's considered that they were sitting on the game for a year and a half before that point. It does sort of suggest the reason they put up primary master then is because they knew Prime 4 was entering its final stages. And so you look at the the density of games that came out during that period of time, primary master came out within a week of Kirby's return to Dreamland deluxe. We had Bayonet Origins of March. We had Fireland Engage in January. April had Zulu Chronicles on Future Redeemed and also in advance was one to reboot gap. And then it was Choose of the Kingdom. That was a very dense period. And so that that is kind of why I sort of think that they decided they need to do it then because maybe they do have to get there at the plan is to put up Prime 2 and 3 maybe early this year and then lead up into Prime 4. And so they just thought that that was the only time to do it. And maybe it snuck on snuck up on them. I don't know. I just I think I understand you guys think that it benefited it. But for me, selling a million, a game that was one of the highest rated games of the year, the Pedigree of Metroid Prime. Yes, it's a remaster. I do I do think that doesn't pack sales. But I just think it deserves some more than a million. It's just odd to me. Yeah. Well, so and anyone think I got to throw it out there. It's a Nintendo Direct. And they have broken the seal. Would they dare announce a Pokemon game at the direct? Or were they wait for the Pokemon event? Pokemon event is going to have it is going to have it. So I don't think so. Hey, once it's showing off. Then like future a more in-depth look at it. But Pokemon Day is not until after this supposed direct more than likely. Yeah, OK, I'll just throw it out there because like they broke the seal. They used to be there. No, yeah, for sure. But but I think they're going to save the announces for the Pokemon presents. And just like a good example of that is what at the last Pokemon presents. We got the NSO games, like, you know what I mean? Like Nintendo didn't even announce those on their own. They they Pokemon announced their presents. So even though they have kind of done it a little bit differently, I still anything that's a new Pokemon game reveal, I think it'll be safe for the present or the Pokemon day presents. Yeah, so I want to talk about a I don't know if this it was made or was about to become a prediction, but it may be changing now. So I've been kind of talking about maybe us getting a direct mini instead of a normal direct. And that's because I was kind of looking at the lineup of games we already have, right, we have like we already have of January through March, right? And so and then after that, you know, assuming we get like a switch to blow it in June, you know, and switch to come to, say, September, as we sort of think right now, then they don't really need to tell us that much more, because we already know about Luigi's Mansion 2 and Paper Mario, a thousand year door. And so they just need to announce a couple more games and third party stuff to get us to that point. And so I kind of like think, well, then they kind of only need to direct a mini for that, you know, you don't need a full scale direct. However, recent happenings with that little coordinate thing that Paul Gale seems to have posted, kind of restoring the pod a little bit more on this Metro Prime 4 situation, also the whole next gen dreams project and them taking off Retro Studios. And it seems like Nintendo is covering something up there, maybe like that is kind of. I mean, I think we're going to see Metro Prime 4 soon. I wasn't I'm not sure if it's going to be in a direct, but kind of thinking on it. If Prime 4 is going to be a cross gen title, I kind of think it makes sense to show it off. But I think there's a school thought that you show it off first before announcing it as a cross gen title. Like, because you look at the Twilight Prince and the Breath of the Wild situations, those games were hyped for their. Dude, I think you have to acknowledge it at the next direct because it's literally becoming a silk song situation where every indie. Indie world, whatever. There are no one cares about anything. Because a lot of people think the games on the whole time. Yeah. Yeah. And it's going to be the same thing with Nintendo, especially if this is going to be the last switch only direct. Like no one's going to care about. They're just going to be spamming Metro Prime 4 the whole time. Right. And sure, if there's other big announcements, like people get excited for those. But if it's stuff we already know about and it's just a release date or if it's like kind of like lesser known stuff remasters. Yeah, like just say something about Metroid Prime 4 at the beginning so everyone can part of my language, shut the fuck up about it. And we can enjoy the direct. Did you just say part of my language on my pocket? Well, I mean, I normally do it in like a jokey way. But I was like, you think they would get it? They would open the Direct with Prime 4. Part of the French. You better shut your mouth before I fuck it. Opening of the Direct would be epic with Prime 4. But what's crazy about that, they open the Direct with Prime 4. How the hell do they close it? What do they have? It's got it. I think it's got to be a showcloser. Well, like I just think some kind of knowledge. I actually got I actually know how they could open how they could open with Prime 4 and then still close strong. OK. Twilight Princess will make her HD. Yeah, that would work. That would do it. Right. Or you swap them, right? Like, yeah, those are the announcements. Yeah, that's true. If they announced that at the beginning, no, people would, I think, would shut up too, because it'd be like, oh, we got something that we really something that we've been clamoring for for years. That's actually a good idea, Andres. Another one, too. They showed a remastered logo at the beginning, just a remastered logo. And then at the end, they come back to it for Metroid Prime 4. I want to know everyone that watches this podcast that if Nintendo does that, if they open with Twilight Princess when Waker and close with Metroid Prime 4, it is literally confirmation that Miyamoto bleaches his butthole. Yes, also, the Swiss juice is coming out. Like, if I've ever gone viral for anything, I hope it's this. Oh, boy. My goodness. So, Jake, were you trying to indicate to me you'd like to get some predictions in there, buddy? Oh, I have one. You should say that. I'm just saying, oh, we have a little private chat behind us. So, guys, I actually was I'm supposed to I was supposed to head out at 11, but I I got here a little late, which made podcasts start late out of character for me. But so I was like, OK, I'll stay a little late. But we started this topic at like before 11. And I've just been I typed in the chat. Someone was like, you can go. I don't know if it was Eric or me. It was me. Yeah. Oh, I might have typed it as Eric. I technically haven't done predictions either, by the way. Just saying. Just saying. We're talking about everyone's on predictions. No, I haven't done any predictions. Andres hasn't yet. I'm just talking around the predictions. But we had three, three for sure. You predicted. But you go first. The other half. I don't. OK, but yeah. So anyway, sorry, I was making a joke about that. But I guess other people hadn't gone. So I was just I wasn't even right. So anyways, I'm good to get it predicted for my predictions. Honestly, like what I would want to happen is switch to to be announced or an event. I think it might be its own event. I don't think it'll necessarily be a direct. But I kind of agree with what's been said that it makes sense for this to be the last switch only direct for that reason, even if it's a full blown direct. It's going to be not the biggest things because obviously the biggest things are for switch to or or across Jen was switched to. But I think we'll get release dates on stuff like Paper Mario, Luigi's Mansion 2, that kind of makes sense to me. We'll probably get a couple surprises. I would one thing I could see. We talked about Metro Prime 4 already, but also it, you know, it always makes sense to talk about Prime 2 and 3 as well, which are going to be more like ports from what I have heard not. Correct me if I'm wrong, guys, but not the remasters like they did with one. Right. So I think that would be something that kind of makes a lot of sense to. And then we might see some some cool stuff from third parties, too, because there's always some good swan song titles from companies who have maybe been working on years for something for the switch, not from the next thing that's optimized for the switch. So I'd love to see something like that. My dream game to come out for switch, which would never be announced on a Nintendo Direct, I think I think it would be announced at the Dragon Quest events, but Dragon Quest Builders 3 probably never going to happen ever. But it's still that's the one game that I want more than anything. So that that's pretty much my predictions. And I'll stay for a couple of minutes to hear to hear yours, Andres. All right, I guess it's my turn. Yeah, I don't know. And then some bro, I'll say three to he already. I went already. You know, you and we know that you. Yeah, Eric, Steve and some bro, I even stopped one to the bathroom. And I thought you went but then on. And but I also thought Andres went. So I was confused at what counts is going. Yeah, no, it's all good. We went a lot. We did a lot of back and forth talking around each other's predictions. I mean, it's a podcast for having a discussion. I think it's better to have a discussion. Yeah, I agree. Listing off. I'll be listing off. Sure, it's not bad, but, you know, we got a good flow going here. That's exactly. But I'll say one thing. I'm going to be safe here. I'm I'm good. Actually, is it even that safe? I'm going to predict that Paramount 1000, your door has new content. And we're going to see now we're going to release date new content. And I'm going to be wild. I'm going to say it's going to be, you know, so I haven't played 1000 your door from beginning to end. And so that's one of the reasons I'm excited for this remake, but I'm kind of I kind of do think that they're going to add like a new content. I think what they're going to do, you talk to Luigi throughout the game in the hub area, and he tells him his own quest that he's been doing. He's like saving princess, like, I don't know, like, I forgot it. Like, just as a Claire princess, a Claire in the waffle kingdom. And so I kind of think that when you talk to him, it's going to be kind of like playing like submissions. You actually get to play them instead of just hearing text. And so that'll be kind of like the new content in the game. There might be a couple of other little things, but that's what I'm kind of thinking. So something about that, I think we'll get a date. I think it's going to be sooner than expected, maybe not first half, but like definitely like well, wait, way before September, before September. We just mentioned to I wouldn't be surprised if they if they lied and it's not summer and it's like May or something like that. Beyond that, a Splatoon three, we're going to get a date for that. I bet that's like an April release or maybe even sooner. Those are obviously all safe predictions, right? Well, I don't know. Maybe the thousand year dollar one's a little bit of a reach, right? But we'll see. It's a prediction. I don't know. Yeah, that's literally one of his. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I don't want to I'm scared to say this, but I. I'm going to I'm going to reach out to Paul Gale, but. Maybe maybe it's time to get back into the into the high train. And and because I did hype it responsibly, man. I actually didn't predict and metricated all for the September direct. I was not even like two and three. No, I was I think maybe like, but I wasn't I wasn't like committed to it. I got double checked direct for two and three, but prime four. I was definitely like, hey, guys, after I got burned in the summer, I'm not ready to predict prime for a little bit. And so I guess I'm kind of thinking when I kind of factored the recent happenings, maybe it does make sense to showcase prime for now before they announced it for switch to the same way we had breathed the ones while it was in mind beforehand. Because also you want the switch user base to be excited about the game as well. Especially if especially if they're saving 2D or not 2D, 3D Mario for switch to at a big direct reveal. You want to do 3D Mario and Metroid Prime for the same time. That's another good point. Yeah, like confirming its gross gen with a visual update is cool. But that being like the secondary update on the game makes sense, especially when 3D Mario would be the bigger one. That's a good point. So maybe maybe I am ready to predict prime for in the February direct. And if that's the case, two and three. I'm not sure. I think maybe at least two. But if they're like a dual pack or something, then, you know, I would I would definitely say that. I guess what I'm thinking is that they can always shall drop three later or they could do they could do it like how with how they handle Pikmin 4 where with Pikmin 4, there was no mention of one and two until right before release, right? Like a few weeks beforehand. And so they could do that. So it's tough. I do think it makes more sense to bundle them together, because like if you don't like, since there's three of them, every time you release another one, there's going to it's not like Twilight Princess and Wind Waker where those are their own things. They're not like sequels to each other. You can buy it at any time. After you release one, which is a full blown remaster, there's going to be less sales for two, right? It makes sense. And then if you wait to release three, there'll be even less sales for three. Yeah, I'm like three deluxe. Actually, what's that? No, it makes a lot of sense is we also have Pikmin three deluxe really. You compare you could come. You could say Pikmin three deluxe is analogous to Metro primary mastered. Yeah, prime two and three are analogous to Pikmin one and two. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Metro primary four. Yeah, that makes sense. That's a good point. Yeah, so I mean, maybe I'm ready to throw those in. I think where I'm really hesitant, but I'm I don't know. Maybe they just want to end things with a bang. Maybe they do show off Twilight Princess and Wind Waker, because I do believe that there's I do believe it has a bigger Zelda project plan for early on for switch to accurate time remake. Let's go. I don't think my money, but I don't think that's a that's a this year thing. I think that's like a next year thing at best. And so that's what I hear about this Wind Waker this year, baby. Let's go. Right. Exactly. Yeah. So and it's it's one of those new top down Zelda. Let's go. They could announce that that would be awesome. Yeah. Yeah. They won't have to wait for they won't have to wait for a new system. And that's all I'll simplify it. I'll say something Zelda, because I actually think it's possible. We don't get Twilight Princess Wind Waker. We get something to do instead. But Zelda always pops on social media, too. So it'd be a good good attention grabber for him. So Zelda, something I'll stick with just Zelda, something. Wow, so brave. Yeah, I know I'm such a nice. So you said it was safe at the beginning. So sorry. He's such a risk taker. I try. I'm trying to get the predictions right. I know it's OK. Hey, look, everyone approaches their predictions in their own way. Some people are very wishful thinking. It's everything they want to possibly happen. Some people will just be like, look, it's going to be lame. This is my super, super realistic. Like it's going to be a bunch of garbage. And then other people will be like, hey, look, I want to mix in some fun with some non-fun, but be realistic and try to be right. So that's why you're like, I can't fully commit to Metroid Prime 4. But like, you know, I'm predicting it. I had to talk myself into it. But see, the more you keep talking, the more you keep talking to yourself. By the way, I saw some people asking about the Paul Gale stuff. Go check out his Twitter account. You put out a little tweet and some people asked about the numbers. Just get out of map. It's the only hint I'm going to give you. Get out of map. I don't like to give it away because it's a little it's like the easiest puzzle. But if you don't know, you don't know. Get out of map. Now, you know, and I'm not doing a video game. I'm like a map of the world. We have any chance of getting link between worlds since they are tapping into those 3ds switch ports. Yeah, I question that. I because I think they'll do one of two things. They'll either give us that as the 3ds port or they'll do a link to the past remake to be sick. Yeah, which I don't think they'll do both any time near each other. So it's going to be like one or the other. I agree. I didn't think of one more. Oh, what's that? What if they gave us an announcement at the end of a in the near future Zelda movie cast announcement? So like at the end of the direct, they gave us, hey, tune in to us. You know, a couple of weeks from now, we're going to give the the Zelda movie cast predictions official official official prediction. Yeah, official predictions. Yeah, I'm asking you. This is an official Nintendo direct prediction going on. Oh, yeah. So the announcement of a future Zelda movie announcement of the cast. Got it. Yeah. OK. Interesting. Hey, anything's possible. Who knows? Well, I mean, actually, I think that's one of us truly has an uncle that works at Nintendo. It's not like we really know. Honestly, even if we did, they might not be privy to that. Yeah, well, it depends on where your uncle works. Right. I mean, if you had an uncle working at Sony pictures, your uncle's Doug Bowser, you'd probably know. Well, can I address something in the chat? I mean, maybe not because if Doug Bowser is truly good at his job, he probably tells his family nothing. Jake, write your letter, man. Yeah, what are you reading about? Wait, write my letter. Because he said address anyways. Yeah. Oh, you know, someone in the chat keeps spamming the same different versions of the same comment. So Steven, he says, getting an old game is a ripoff. You guys seem like Nintendo suckers to be hyped about getting you to throw more money at an already made game. Well, I just want to say you're absolutely right. What a great point. I think we all agree with you. You know, so, you know, there's a thing, but it's like, dude, why would you ever watch an old movie? Why would you? You know what I mean? Like, oh, my God, like, who would ever like freaking do it? Like, dude, at first of all, it's our we're paying for it. It's not, you know, like if we want to play it and we have to pay for it, clearly we want it, you know what I mean? It's like, you know, you don't have to buy it. Why are you mad that other people are having fun? Don't be that guy in that like little comment cartoon thing. It's like, stop having fun. Why? Why? Why you got to be like that? Hey, it's an old game. So it's not a company that does this, by the way. Just like you have that I probably wouldn't want to play or buy. That's weird. I'm not because we're getting both, dude. We're getting we're getting new stuff and old stuff. It's OK to have both. There's enough room. We're also at the end of a generation where you have to recognize they're they're saving a lot of their best new games for what's next. Like, you have to recognize it. Nintendo, you don't think you sit out? I used to give you paper bar and color flash. All the dog does it for the whole year. Remastered games that are like two years old. All right. So don't and I'm a PlayStation guy, kind of, you know what I mean? I mean, I like the Nintendo places a lot. I'm kind of been bred in an Xbox hater. That's fine. It's just a timer. There's not a lot of their part to resonate with me. You should become a free timer. But like that's what I'm saying. But Steven, I got to know I have no qualms with you. I'm sure you're a good guy. We're just talking about video games. I don't take it personally, but you did just repeat that a lot. So I just want to do acknowledge it. That's like, hey, make sure that we recognize in a in a in a sentence. Don't yuck my yum. All right. Well, now I'm all about the remasters. I've bought back to the future trilogy on VHS DVD, Blu-ray and 4K. Nice. Me likey. I would. I know it's the same thing. Right. Here, it's similar talk here. And maybe it's actually someone that doesn't like to play games that he's played before. A lot of gamers do like to go back and replay games. But yeah. But yeah, you're right. Like Steven, like Nate would agree with you in the sense that he probably would be excited for remasters of games he hasn't played. But if it's a game he has played, he wouldn't personally buy it. But that doesn't mean he's not happy for the fans that do want that. You know, for a lot of people, I always buy remakes as Elvis. I don't always play him. Yeah, but I get that. I do get the sentiment of being mad that there's not that they're dedicating resources when you think they should be used for new projects. But I don't think that's really the case. I think if they weren't going to remasters, there would be other things that this company generally outsourced. Yeah, they do different teams working on them. Exactly. Also, they're all our players are making new games or they're making remasters that are completely changed what the game was originally. I would argue that the switch in in general, you can make an argument that it makes more sense to do more ports and remasters for this particular console than any other Nintendo console, just for the portability factor, both directions. So if it was a 3DS port, you could only play that in handheld before. Now you can play it docked on a TV. If it was a console game from Nintendo that they're porting and remastering. Now you have the option to play it handheld on the switch. So it works both ways. So there's never been a better system for Nintendo to cherry pick old titles and bring them back to us with modern enhancements and bonus. You get to play it however you want on the go or docked. It's just it's that's why I'm such a big fan of like, you know, I own Wind Waker and Twilight Princess HD on the switch. I mean, I wish I did on the switch on the Wii U. I'm waiting to replay those games because I want them on the switch. I want to have that experience again on this particular console. Yeah. And wait, and one thing I think Steven isn't getting, because he said he said again, I would prefer they devoted resources for new stuff rather than making money off their own product. But I don't think you heard, Steven, is that those when they're make when they're doing ports and remasters and remakes, it's not them. It's like all of Nintendo was still working on the new stuff. They are outsourcing that to different companies and then just having one of their teams kind of OK it, like manage the project, check it off. So 90 percent of Nintendo is working on all the new stuff. It's very small amount. That's that's helping this because they're letting other companies do it for them. That's like the big difference. I think when we start getting these ports and remasters, personally, that's a good sign of Nintendo working on obviously new things. Yeah, like they're they're prepping for switch too. I I think I think they were prepared in my personal honest opinion to really switch to prior a while ago, sure, a good while ago. I don't want to say date or when I don't know. But got feeling says they were ready to do it a good, good while ago. And they didn't need to because switch is still selling. So I think they've been prepping for sure. And that's why we're getting all these remasters. Like you've got to know that this is a good sign because that means we're going to be getting a lot of great stuff at launch, in my opinion, because they're going to need to convince people to jump over. Exactly. Yeah, which was going to be a launch of remasters or remakes. I do have to leave, but I want to end it with one thing of positivity. First of all, you can find me at onlyfans.com slash two inch destroyer. That is there's nothing more positive than that. I could say it's plus two in the plus minus category. But I do want to shout out Steven, because he said I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for enlightening enlightening me, though, in a mature way. And first of all, I was kind of a dick. So that was you didn't have to say that. But that was nice. But also like, dude, Stevens, the man, because how many times like to someone like clearly he was just passionate about like wanting new Nintendo games, right? And that's a positive thing. And we all agree with him there. And but for him to like take that criticism and be super cool about it, what an awesome dude. I can count on like one hand the number of times that's happened. So, dude, Steven, thank you for like taking the criticism in a much more mature way than I laid it out. And you are a legend. Shout out to Dairy, Dairy, wait for it. Yeah, we didn't mess that up at all. But yeah, Nintendo Prime, some bro, Thunder Steve, who I'm just knowing as mustache guy, Eric and Andre's love you guys. Thanks for having me on. Sorry, I had to kind of end it early. But you're all right, man. We'll see you next week, but take care, man. Bye. Oh, in chat, I love you. Bye. Before we get into our last thing, which is all of our fan questions that you guys can submit for as little as two dollars in super chats. You can ask any of us, one of us, you just want to shout out something. That's how you do it. We'll feature it on the screen here before I do that. I want to remind everyone that tomorrow night we have kind of sort of, it's like a whole nother podcast kind of thing. We have a whole Zelda thing going on tomorrow night. It's going to feature me, Andres and our moderator, Joyce E.J. We're going to be bringing you guys into the discussion. So if you are a member and would like to talk to us about Zelda goodness tomorrow night, same time we started this podcast, you guys can come in and there'll be a whole thing explanation in the description, pin comment as well, explaining how to join that show and talk some Zelda goodness. Well, I don't know, maybe two of your favorite YouTubers, maybe. I don't know. Maybe I'm not. Beats me. If you're a paid member, I assume you must like me. I have no idea. Let's get into these fan topics. This first one, man, you guys could just go to town on this because I don't care. Score Bunny 785 says, what would you all like to see in the next Pokemon games? Also, how are you doing tonight? Some donations specifically and Nintendo Prime. Wow. Well, they don't like anyone else on the panel. That's sad. I'm just kidding. You probably can only fit so many ads in there. I don't even know. Anyways, so I'm doing fine. I'm sure everyone else is doing fine, at least maybe great. So what do you guys want to see in the next Pokemon game? I got real quick, which thank you. I'm doing great. Also legends. I just want another legends game with legends mechanics in a perfect world. Legends mechanics would come into the mainline games, but I don't think they're going to fully commit to that. So as long as legends becomes its own little thing that we can expect every so often from the Pokemon company, I will be extremely happy because, yes, the game was missing some of the content from like the mainline games. And there was definitely some things that hardcore Pokemon fans didn't like. The legends was like the reinvigoration that I wanted to see from the series for so long. Having a dodge roll mechanic, being able to sneak around in the grass and throw a Pokeball, having no transition screens to the battle whatsoever, walking around in battles, essentially boss battles in the game, too, and Pokemon could actually hurt your character. So many things that were just like top notch for me. And I just want more of it. So that's what I hope we see from more Pokemon games. I'm on the same page. I'm hoping for the next game to be a Legends game, maybe either something Legends Johto related or Legends Us, not Sino, but Legends Unova related, one or the other. And just adding on top of that, I would like to see maybe them incorporate. Like, I want to be the focus. Like, I think Legends is arguably one of the best Pokemon games we've ever gotten. But it was kind of pushed a little bit to the side, because it was Sam, 15 Brilliant Diamond Shining Pearl and Scott and Violet. I want it to be the focus for this holiday. And that's actually kind of having me all of a sudden starting to lean more towards maybe a Legends Johto, as opposed to Legends Unova. Because with Unova, you're kind of like there's a question of, OK, where's our Unova remakes? But if you do Johto, they technically already did that so they could do like a Pokemon Legends Celebi and people won't be like, hey, where's our remake, right? But they still will, because they'll want it like in 3D or something. But not as much. But I'm kind of pulling for, yeah, just continue it, polish it up a little bit better, a little bit more fine tuned. But maybe incorporate to your point, some bro, since it's not like the main line game that's its own thing, maybe find a way to incorporate a little bit of multiplayer, especially like if my right or my hope is right. And that's the sole game of the year for Pokemon. They incorporate some multiplayer into there as well, maybe you can battle your friends. They need to at least do that. I agree with that completely. Yeah. And maybe even on that, they do have co-op in Scotland and Violet now, right? And yeah, they technically had co-op in in a Sword and Shield as well, but limited. Maybe you could have maybe two players in the Legends game. You can like travel alongside each other. That'd be really cool or go with the full four, if that's possible. Agreed. I would like to see that. All right. Steve, you got to do that. Everyone else, they spoke them on here, so. You know, I think I lean in with you guys, too. I would like to see them go the Legends route. But I also got to just like keep in mind. What are they going to do with Switch, too? Like, are they going to try and have something there from the from the get go or close launch window? So do they save something? I don't know. I think we're getting something Pokemon this year. We'll definitely be able to catch them all if we want to. But yeah, I don't know if it's going to be Legends or your standard formula, but I do think they're going to continue to keep those separated because. You have the kind of more new schoolish Pokemon, you could say, with Legends, and then you have your traditionalist Pokemons. So I think they're both going to continue to exist because they print money. Absolutely. Yeah, I'll say that historically speaking, whenever there's a generational shift, they Pokemon the main line games always stick with a prior console for at least one year, sometimes a little bit more. And so the expectation probably should be that whatever we're getting this year from Pokemon, it's going to be for Switch. But we also assume Switch will be backwards compatible. So you'd be able to play it on Switch, too. I have been predicting, though, that we even with that, even with that in mind, I'm kind of feeling that they're going to have a graphics patch. For Pokemon, so it runs and looks a little bit better on Switch, too. There was that rumor. You guys remember that rumor a while back? Yeah, maybe it was rooted in truth, like the way it was worded it made us feel like Switch 2 was going to be out already when we first heard that. But yeah, they could be developing it behind the scenes. And if there's one thing that we've learned from reporting on rumors and leaks over the years, it should be that timing is the biggest. Yeah, with some of these. There's also a thought process that at one point they that Switch 2 at one point might have been slated to actually come out last year. Yeah, that's fair point, too. And so that could also be what that guy was referencing was like a whole, hey, at one point that was the plan and this is what we worked on, but it's just going to get pushed until whenever the system gets here. Which is why I think we're going to have such a great launch launch and launch window. Yeah, for me, just give me more legends. That's it. That's literally like the one Pokemon I actually legitimately love is Legends, so let's keep it going. Let's see, next one up. I don't know if this has any relation to Sunbro Nation, but we have Sunbro Joe. Yeah, that's my real life buddy. Yeah, you know, I gave you guys a very brief backstory. Sunbro's a reference to Dark Souls. There's a warrior of sunlight's guild. And so in real life, me and my closest friends call each other Sunbro's. And that's where I got the name Sunbro Nation when I started the channel. So Sunbro Joe is one of my best friends in real life. And so he asked this question. He's part of the nation. Great question. It's a great question, too, especially considering the Ubisoft news this week. Do you all think they're going to get rid of physical games? When you say they, do you mean Nintendo specifically? Or like the I think he means gaming in general. I think it means in general. Yeah, I mean, the the the long answer is eventually will be less not a long answer, but eventually, yeah, I think that it's going to happen. It's inevitable, sadly. But like Switch 2 is going to have physical games. So you can enjoy that for seven more years. And I think my prediction on it is Nintendo will be the last one standing with physical media. Sony and Microsoft will ditch it first. And as much as there's always going to be like physical collectors, like limited run games and companies like that might one day still offer boxes for games that are only digital. But at a certain point, the companies are going to pull the cartridge slots and the disk slot drives. And when that happens, the power is not in our hands anymore. You could say right now I want to only support physical and only buy physical. And that's what I do with my Nintendo Switch. I'm actually finding myself purchasing more digital on PS5 and Series X nowadays, because I've kind of accepted that that's where it's going. Still do quite a bit of physical on PS5, though, to be fair. But Series X, it's like with Game Pass, I don't collect for that console at all because I can't treat it like a digital only console in my mind at least. So it's already heading that. And that's for me being a hardcore physical collector. I want to own it physically if I can, but I'm already accepting these trends. You see Best Buy removing physical media for movies and music. And it's just the way that everything else is gone. And gaming one day will because if companies don't have to worry about their games leaking out early because of shipping retail copies, they don't have to worry about how many units to produce because the stores don't have to order some specific number of copies from them. And then the stores are worried about selling them. If all that stuff's cut out, Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft are much happier doing direct to consumer through digital. So they also make more money and make more money off it. They haven't had to discount the games. They sell the same price as physical, but they're making more revenue. So why would they not start to shift everything towards digital and they are? And so it's not a question of if but when, unfortunately, as much. And also losing out on sales because of people buying used games instead. That too. Yeah. Before Eric Hopseck in here, hold on, hold on, Eric. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Charmander, what are your thoughts? It just looked like he's talking into the mic. Is it going to talk? I don't know what to do with my, all right, Eric, all right. It'd be cool if you could come up with like some sort of filter to it that sounds kind of like a Charmander or something and needs to be a movie. I know I need to get a voice changer. I have a voice changer, but I just don't have one set up to do what you just did there, though. If you had a camera set where Zoom did on Charmander, it was like, don't you dare ask me anything, you bag of bond or something. It would be cool. It would be cool. Yeah. I could do that in my video. So he's in the background of every video. Yeah. So literally, I can just do the voice changer to zoom in on them. Did you guys know that I used to have little skits where Charmander would talk? Nice. That's great. Yeah. I didn't do a voice. I did like I use the growl like repeatedly and I just did like lines of text, but that was I agree with all you guys. I think the line it's we're going to not have physical games someday, or at least if we do, it'll be very rare because eventually I think systems won't accept them someday. I do feel like they'll there'll be a little bit more of an emphasis placed on like memorabilia. Sure. Once that happens, like, you know, we'll still have like more amiibo. I don't know how they'll handle collector's additions, but maybe they'll do some sort of like collector's thing to do it, you know, like, you know, it's an exellent game. Maybe they put out like another like Master Sword or something. Like, yeah, I could be more stuff like that, which would be cool. I think that would be awesome. But then you just get the download code for whatever like they start saying it is merchandise with a download code. Maybe, you know, like a special edition or something. Absolutely. We had Jorge here for the $10 saying I think if people want something like Ghost of Shashima or the Last of Us for Zelda or Xeno, Nintendo could have done it by now. Uncharted and Mass Effect around PS3 such 360. It's up to Nintendo's devs vision. You guys agree with that? I mean, I feel like Breath of the Wild is that kind of scale. Like, well, it's that scale, but I think they're saying though, like, like ultra realistic graphics, like if they wanted to make, you know, like like Zelda Mario game or even like a Xeno Xeno Blade look hyper realistic, they could have went that Mass Effect route and Uncharted route from the PS3 and 360 generation. So two, there's a few schools of thought there, right? One that comes to mind is, well, that maybe that's just not what Nintendo does, right? You could argue that most of their games don't go in that kind of direction. But yeah, I don't. But there's another consideration here. Yes, they could have, they could make a game that looks realistic, especially because, you know, it's PS3, 360, had games like that. But those games that went for the realistic style then do not look good now. Mm hmm. So if they were to go in that direction for today's standards, they would not hold up really well. At least Nintendo games now, while they look pretty, even if they don't, you know, they're not shooting 4K, you know, 60 FPS across the board. They still look good for the most part. I think a perfect example is if you look at Twilight Princess HD compared to Wind Waker HD in a lot of ways, Wind Waker HD kind of looks better because Twilight Princess was almost the most realistic Zelda they went for. Twilight Princess HD still looks really good. But the further we get into the future, that cell shaded style because it has so much like vibrance and energy to it, you can carry forward for longer. But I don't think Nintendo really goes for hyperrealistic. I don't think we'll see a hyper realistic Mario or Zelda any time. Maybe Zelda they do one day, especially now that we have a live action movie. Who knows? Maybe they go hyper realistic. I actually think the next Zelda is going to I don't think it's going to be like looking like the Witcher or anything like that. But I do think the next Zelda is going to I like to think of as a spectrum. Right. And so I think we're there. We're going to go a little bit more towards the realism spectrum. It's still going to be very fanciful and magical looking. And stylized, but a little bit more realistic than Breath of the Wild. Metroid comes to mind as maybe like the realistic Nintendo franchise. But even then, like look at Metroid. I mean, Metroid is a side scroller, but Metroid has some pretty good visuals, safer switch standards. And as good as they look, it's not really photo realistic. You know, it's it's its own its own thing, right? It's not kitty, but it's its own thing. And Metroid Prime 4 is going to be really interesting. I mean, heck, we could just look at Metroid Primary Mastered, like Metroid Primary Mastered is arguably one of the best looking games on Switch. And I wouldn't say that's realistic either, right? It has a semblance of realism, but it's still stylized. Yeah. OK. Next one comes from Perry Carlisle Backer, who says, I hope they make a new banjo game for Switch to open World Donkey Kong and maybe a new Diddy Kong Racing 2. I'm hoping that Smash 64, Diddy Kong Racing and Cockroach Bed for a day on the NSO. I think in that latter point, we all want that for sure. Yeah. Yes, to all of the above. Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, I don't know why we wouldn't want new of all this stuff. Be totally down for all that. That'd be great. It's not the Microsoft, of course, but I would I would love it. Let's do it. I mean, who wouldn't want it? So I suppose the Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, the banjo would be up to Microsoft. Right. Yeah. So that would be really, really nice. Doggy has an interesting one. Do you think Microsoft will go third party someday? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I agree, too. And they're and they're not even hiding it there, you know, right now being pretty open about that that's where they're headed. And I think it started whenever Phil Spencer was like, we lost the worst generation, we lost the PS4 generation and Xbox One generation and people built out their digital libraries. It literally sounded like at that point that they had already internally pivoted that we're going to be a software company, you know. Yeah, I think they're going a different route. I mean, like you said, the writing's on the wall, in my opinion. They've been very public about it and the way they've talked about it that they just want to be on every device. Right. And so in order to do that, if that's their goal, they could do it better if they weren't strapped down by a console, if they've built out something else that could be on every electronic device. Now, how they're going to do that, I don't know. We don't get paid to know that. But we do know that it sounds like that's their game plan, right? And yeah, they're very consistent in their messaging that they're like always constantly talking about bringing games to other platforms. It's like, yeah, I'm not even hiding it. And they're more of a software company anyway. You know, like Windows isn't pumping out their own PCs for the most part. You know, you're buying third, you know, you're buying Windows or licensing Windows to use on your opera. But it's just their operating system for all this hardware. I think that's Microsoft's bigger plan is to be a software provider. It's not selling good. You know, the the Xbox systems aren't selling well. This is this is a good this is a good prior direction for them. You know, next up, we have another five dollar one from back there. So I hope they announced Pokemon Day Pokemon Colosseum remastered or Pokemon Battle Revolution remastered and hopefully Black and White Three. Man, you really want a lot. You're asking a lot for. Definitely having your responsibility. I love it. That is the ultimate hypo responsibly. It's a big Pokemon Day right there. If we got all that, that would be that would be sick. Colosseum remasters is a good idea, though. That would be pretty cool to see. Yes, all of them would be really cool. Yeah, all of them would be cool to see. But still, who wouldn't want that stuff? All right, we have legendary bastard wanting to make sure some donation knows that he loves your videos. Oh, thanks, legendary bastard. Shout out to you. Appreciate your support. And thanks for sending the money to my channel instead of his. Thanks for the support on Nick's channel. I appreciate you. Taker 610 as a question. He says, does Nintendo fail to iterate because the innovation they do bring only last a generation like we? The switch concept hasn't gotten stale like we. I mean, I guess in the past that there is a history of like their iterative systems, right? Like just don't do as well, even close to as well as the original. Yeah, and I guess that's probably more this is aimed at. Like switch doesn't feel stale, but could switch to reach the same heights. And I think that is a fair question to ask, because I mean, look at the heights. This is that we're talking about one of the greatest selling systems ever made in switch. So could end up being number one someday. It's already Nintendo's most successful system. And I know DS technically sold more units, but way more software is sold on switch by like over 400,000 at this point or for yeah, 400,000. So I'm sitting here like a million to 400 million. It's 1.3 billion. So 400 million more software is sold already on switch than on DS. So it's by all accounts, their most successful platform and Nintendo is apparently the the most profitable and biggest they've ever been, according to all the metrics out there right now. Now, that's not just the video games. That involves the movies and the theme parks and everything. But still, it is interesting. Like could switch can switch to even is even possible. I mean, Sony's never gotten back up to PlayStation 2 heights. Even if you look at like the NES and correct me if I'm wrong, but if I recall that the nest to the SNES Super Nintendo didn't sell as well. No, no, but in our in our hearts, right? Super Nintendo's it's all 20 percent of the best of all time, right? But it's usually if it's not a big innovation, it's not going to sell as well. But then if you look at something like, OK, then we went SNES to 64 and that even sold less than the Super. Yeah, there's a lot of reasons for all this. You know, the NES was basically a monopoly, almost. Right. The Super Nintendo had a lot of competition to Sega Genesis. You know, really, Atari wants to have a work with you. I said, basically, I didn't see what was a lot. There was a lot of systems back then trying to compete with the NES. And it wasn't even. Yeah. But it wasn't close. Exactly. Sega Genesis provide a lot of competition. So people had options, you know, significant options in that era. Sony came out. Well, first off, the Sega Saturn bond, but it came up before all the other consoles. Then PlayStation one came out a year before and 64, if I remember correctly. And it was a cheap console. And so Nintendo at the time, because they were very elitist at the time, right? They felt they had such control. They had strong restrictions on third parties. So there was a mass exodus, a whole bunch of third per third party companies. So, oh, we can put our games without these restrictions on PlayStation one. It's a very cheap system. There's a lot of hype going into it for a while. It was it was the new tech because the Intel took their time. We'll be gone to N64 and cheaper for the disc were way cheaper, right? And they also could store a lot more data. So a lot of developers felt like they had a lot more flexibility with what they could do with their games, even though PS one from a 3D tech perspective was very limited compared to N64. And so Nintendo lost a lot of third party support. That was the beginning of Nintendo having terrible third party support. And the PS one had such a similar momentum. And it was so expensive, you know, that they had it. They saw an even bigger drop off. And then Gamecube, they had a branding problem, right? And then the competition got steeper because PlayStation grew and Xbox also entered the for the foray, right? And what's really interesting is you mentioned how like Sony hasn't been able to replicate a PS2 success. There's a big reason for that. And that's because the main reason people bought PS2 was because it was a DVD player. It was one of the first it was one it was one of the first DVD players and one of the cheapest, cheapest, it was very cheap. Yeah. And it just so happened to play. Billions like not cheap games, the best of the best games and more so than anyone else. And it came out in the year 2000 before Gamecube, before Xbox. So Sony kind of claimed the generation before Nintendo and Xbox even have a chance. Yep. Struck gold with that. Yeah. Well, I mean, and when I said they reached the heights, I mean, look, Sony has done one thing very consistent beyond one generation. They sell a hundred million or more every time. And they seem pretty happy with that. PS3 was the one time they didn't. And that led to shifts inside of the company. There's a lot of reasons PlayStation 3 didn't get to where they wanted to be. Part of that being that part of that being, well, not just the price point, even the technology they bet on that they probably shouldn't have the developers didn't like. And Microsoft just took advantage and had a solid product and somehow survived the bedroom of death. But that was the big thing that everyone thought was going to sync Microsoft. And then nope, they overcame that, released new and better systems and developers just kept loving to make it a more PC like hardware than on this cell processor that is way different than anything else in any product anywhere. It's not like ARM on Switch. There's literally devices using ARM all the time. Apple devices are all using ARM. Like it's a very popular CPU process. It's used on a ton of mobile phones and stuff. So like there's a lot of experience with developers of that. There was nobody using cell processors. It was just so neat. Also, Microsoft was way ahead on Xbox Live. If you think about that before features that because it's in the PS3 generation, but it came like in the middle of the generation, whereas like Xbox Live is already paid feature, chat included, all friends list achievements, like they had it going because they already pushing it on the original Xbox. So they were definitely ahead of their time on that. So to answer the question, I want to clarify something real quick, though, because doggie pointed out that the PS1 was actually more expensive than in 64. So PS1 launched in 95 at 299, which back then was an astronomical price. But it dropped $100 May 1996, so less than a year later, likely in preparation to compete with the N64. So just to clarify there. And so to answer the question more directly, I don't know that like this iteration of Switch 2 can reach the same heights. I don't think, you know, imagine it getting back up to 150 million, you know, if that's what's which ends up around. I don't know, but I will say this. I don't think that's what needs to happen for this to be considered a successful iteration and for them to continue iterating. I think if this thing hits 100 mil, 110, 120, Nintendo, they ain't done. They're going to keep it going. Yeah, because that would be the first time they've ever had back to back 100 mil plus systems ever. And success of generations. Like it's never, they had we, then it was we, they had DS. And then it was 3DS, which was half as much. Yeah, but DS and we did have it at the same time. DS and we haven't at the same time. That was at the same time, but those weren't successive platforms. Sure. So the point is being able to follow. They were dominating on both fronts and somehow, despite dominating on both fronts, the Switch is a more profitable generation for them. Could be having to do the fact that, hey, they're not selling their video games at 40 bucks. 30 bucks, 20 bucks. Well, they're all they don't know price drops, right? Games and maintain valid system is made. This is what Pokemon games are all 60 each. Actually, what's here is when it's insane, right? So I, you know, after a doggy pointed out that that I had a little that I got something wrong with the pricing, I went and looked at all the price like history of price cuts, right? And so like I'm looking here and I'm just seeing every console had dozens of price drops throughout the generations. Switch is none. No, Switch is going to hold on to that price all the way till they announce that new system. And even then, they still might wait till the system actually releases. Yeah, I mean, I guess we you had a minimal amount of price drops because they well, I don't think I think they didn't think they did price drop we you in 2013 by 50 bucks. But yeah, I remember when the game cube to try to put it in the discount bins and it still didn't work. Yeah. Yeah. Although they were still more apparent. I'm not sure if this is true, but I remember hearing back around that time that GameCube was somehow still more profitable than PS2. That I have no idea. I don't know about that. Nintendo is profitable. It sounds like such a stretch, right? Like every every console for Nintendo was profitable, except we you. That's the only system they legitimately lost money on. Even 3DS, they lost money initially. And then having that happen at the same time that we you was tanking. That's why Nintendo had those two straight years of the first time in company history losing money year over year. But not just losing money. They were in the red. They were literally in the red for two straight years. Nintendo's never had that happen. But that's because 3DS had a real start and then we you didn't really ever go anywhere. I remember I got 3DS. Yeah, 3DS was obviously overall profitable. We you wasn't though. So by the way, I'm just looking into that. I don't seem like that GameCube thing is true. Just just so we're clear. Yeah, I don't I just can't imagine GameCube even even more profitable than Xbox. But that's like I can't imagine like even the software sales on PS2 were significant. There were still way more software sales on PS2 than on GameCube. And they also got 30 percent cut of like all those third party games. So like there's just no way like they had to have made way more money. They don't make any sense. Yeah, literally just doesn't even add up. So maybe several systems over a billion software. This is Nintendo's first system doing that. Maybe back then what was discussed was or what the news was that maybe Nintendo overall was more profitable than Sony during that time period. And that's or that's accounting for. Yeah, that brings their handheld in. Right. It also it also could be maybe that Nintendo made more money per system sold because Nintendo always like to sell their their systems of profit Sony would often sell at loss. That's right. Yeah. So that could that could have maybe been what it was to. It's hard to know because now we're going like back in time and trying to like figure out what that conversation. All I know that this was a conversation point back then. I knew that was what decades ago. Sure it was. I remember it too. Yeah. All right. I think this is our last one unless we get some more. Aaron Raff says does the panel think or predict Nintendo has plans for a new Star Fox game this year? But this caveat or at all and then I get myself a shout out here. Do you want to say a shout out here? So I literally last week I made a video about Star Fox. I know I made the argument that Nintendo is working on Star Fox. So I don't know about that. But you said at all. So I mean just right. Yeah. So I think Star Fox is I think Nintendo is working on Star Fox. The basic story is that apparently Nintendo has movie plans or like some sort of, you know, picture plans for Star Fox and other Mario IP. That's like coming from a potential like Hollywood insider. Right. So if that is true, right, then that would suggest. OK, if Nintendo has plans for Star Fox, like see your TV series or movie, then they obviously have to have a game, right? Like would they put it? Would they really put out a Star Fox movie before they put out a Star Fox game or at least have something in the works? But then also we recently had that article from what Christopher Dring that said that Nintendo is working with other studios. And so what's interesting about that is that he said that he knows at least of three. And so when you think about who Nintendo would outsource to work with, they wouldn't outsource to make the next mainline jealous, like mainline Mario. It probably wouldn't be for a Kirby game be there. It'd be the franchise that they don't already have studios. Exactly. The lesser known IP, right? So what are the lesser known IP advanced wars, which they did outsource, right? Way forward data of that. But, you know, you have other things like Golden Scum, Wave Race, Zero, Kid Icarus, Star Fox. And so if he's heard about three, you know, that that opened one of the three Star Fox. One of them could be Star Fox, right? But then also, come on back, baby. Let's go. Love Wave Race. We also know about Bandai Namco is working on a couple different Nintendo games right now, and one of them is a 3D action game. And there's only a couple of Nintendo franchises that fall under that genre, technically, and that Star Fox and Kid Icarus. Now, if you want to be really broad and just say any game that's 3D and has action counts, you could. But typically when you say 3D action, you're referring to a certain genre. So there's a there's an optimism that Bandai Namco may be working on either Kid Icarus or Star Fox. So putting that all together, plus just Nintendo is not going to just give up on Star Fox. They usually have to do something. Star Fox related every gen. We didn't have a whole game this gen, but I feel like, you know, switch to there's a really, really good chance to see an actual Star Fox game. I am going to go in the opposite direction and say, I do not think they are working on the Star Fox. This is bait, it's not because I don't want it. I just don't think they are. And I think what might make them be is if they do a TV show or a movie for it and they could find success somewhere else with the IP. I don't think a game would drive people to them. I don't think Star Fox is popular enough to drive people to go to a movie. They have to sell Star Fox, the movie or Star Fox show on the basis of the show or the movie. And that's assuming that even happens. We don't even know that's a rumor. It's a rumor. But I'm just going to go and that hurts me because I love Star Fox. That hurts me big time to even say that. But I do think something like a kid, you don't even think we get a remaster. They didn't even bother with zero. So I'm just I know what zero is a terrible thing. But why would they remaster that? That is not a terrible. It's not necessarily. Oh, no, Star Fox zero is bad. Well, it's not a Nintendo game. It is bad. Well, they really went too heavy in the reimagining of the Star Fox 64, but then using the Wii U game pad, it has its problems. I want to point out something when Star Fox zero first came out, you know, I was younger than I actually made a review of that. And I gave it an eight out of 10. I regret giving it an eight out of 10. I was I was on that, you know, Nintendo is the problem. If they remaster anything, all they're going to do is just bring back the 64 one again. Is this the only one they ever bring back? Is this the only one you know that we're going to sell? And I don't need a little back to it. I don't need that. Star Fox 64 sold over four billion copies. I'm a rumble pack. Came with a rumble pack when you think about when you think about that there are only about three three million and sixty four sold. That's an insane. That's great. No, I'm just saying I don't I don't need to see that. I don't need to see it again for like the up team. Well, well, I'm not trying to say they should do Star Fox again. I'm simply stating that once upon a time, Star Fox has huge selling power. And they they take and I'm curious how well it would have did if it didn't come with the rumble pack. That was a huge selling. That's a good point because it was a budget way to get the rumble pack with a game. All right, well, then come like just bundles Star Fox world with universe with a go and creation Star Fox world. Yeah, Star Fox Grand Prix universe with a with a VR or 80. Do you guys think Nintendo is going to do anything at all with switch to that involves any bit of VR capability like any toying around with it? Because if they yes, that's maybe where I could see Star Fox doing well, you could argue that they did on switch with the fact that they did they did. Abo, yeah, I think they could do something bigger as a peripheral or something. I think they have they they've had so many like different VR patents come out to that. Seen that. Yeah, there's a whole Google thing like and they should name it the virtual boy to no questions about it. Yeah, I know probably do something with VR in that that would make sense. And if they want to attempt a cockpit style, that would work first person. Yeah, but it has to be only in black and red. I'm just thinking of an opportunity for Star Fox to come back as I would like to see Star Fox. Let's say I love the franchise. Um, I just I I actually want to double the navigate. I just don't think it's going to happen. Well, I wonder if the report that Andres talked about because I talked about that in my video, too. If maybe Star Fox is one of the eligible franchises for new partners to give a fresh take. I hope it's Star Fox Adventures, too, with just a brand new studio and brand new direction and see how that goes. And they and but they have more of a seamless like adventure to the sky type of world. We'll see if it was not just like in the beginning at the end. Yeah, I that I think that would be a good blend. Something like that all around. Then to Aaron's part two to the question is how do you guys feel about an open world decay? And to that, I feel good about it if Nintendo does it. But I think it gets so similar to Mario that they might not. And I almost think that the next evolution for a DK game, if it doesn't go, if it doesn't leave, I mean, it might leave. It might not leave 2D, but it or side scrolling platformer. But if it does, I think it goes Kirby and the forgotten land style direction almost, you know, that different 3D type of view that's a little bit more controlled. I just think I got to make they got to make a Donkey Kong Tarzan game. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm saying the whole time, like the biggest difference is the damn guy swinging from vines, baby. You know how sick that would be in a fully immersive world? It would honestly travel crazy fast swinging from vines. It would. I don't feel Spiderman like. Oh, yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. They could do it right. Yeah, that's a good point. And that's that's significantly different than what Mario. The thing is we we've heard from multiple people corroborate the story that Activision was working on a Donkey Kong. Oh, yeah, yeah, just like that. It was canceled all actually after that. And I'm like, OK, well, like literally everyone's heard about it. So what do you write? Right. But it was a thing at one point that was being experimented with. It doesn't suck when, you know, you're right. But they were like, call you a liar anyway. Yeah, yeah. Oh, because I found this footage of Donkey Kong freedom on YouTube. Yeah, because some guy based it on the rumors. And he literally came out and defended me and said, yeah, dude, these rumors have been around for a long time and I built a game based. Oh, you want to what's also even more infuriating, right? And I just mean this like in life in general, when you know, you're coming at something from a higher level of thinking, right, than just like the surface level, but soon you're thinking below surface level. Because you're because you're thinking about it at an above level, like extra layers of thinking, they don't realize you're going layers above until they assume you're going layers below. Yeah, that's infuriating. That happens a lot. Yeah, but I, you know, I always, I always try to remind myself in those moments, if they're not in my head, you know, they're making their own interpretations based off what is said and it is what it is. I have a few of their opinions. Can't control the way people think. So one lesson to throw out there. This one's for Eric. Take a 610. How about them cowboys? Yeah. Oh, nothing better than destroying the cowboys in the playoffs. And this was utter destruction. Other. I'm sorry, Cowboys fans. I know you've been waiting like 30 years. I don't know. I'm sorry. The Packers had to remind you that we still own Jerry World. It is what it is. Undefeated there, baby. Undefeated. Hell yeah. Didn't even have a Hall of Fame quarterback for it. Of course, who knows? Maybe we have a future Hall of Fame quarterback. We'll see what happens. Looking good. He's looking good. He's basically tied with CJ Stroud is the best statistical quarterback in the playoffs right now. I'm just saying. Anyways, it doesn't really mean much. It's just one game. Hopefully we can show for the 49ers. All right. That's going to be it, I believe. We go around the room quick, remind people who we are and where we can find you guys. The mods want to go ahead and grab those links down in the description to link to the channels as we go here. Let's start with our newest, freshest guest. Robotnik's son, Thundersteed85. Hey, guys, you can find me at Thundersteed85 Gaming. It is a video game channel. Of course, I review video games, so come check it out. Please like and subscribe. Also, you have an awesome shirt. Thank you, man. That shirt is a 10 out of 10. Nicely done. I think the box art just kills on this game. I know it's not a great game. We know that, but the box art is just great. Amazing. Good art is good art. Right. Eric, where can we find you? Here? Hell, yeah. Every Wednesday, 8 p.m. On this restart, what are you guys going on? And why are we just waiting? I don't know. I've been waiting for a while, man. Yeah, you have been waiting for a while. Yeah. I mean, I'm waiting for Switch 2. I'm waiting for Metroid Prime 4. I'm waiting for 3D Mario. Now I'm waiting for Ocarina Time Remake that may or may not even be real. Please. Be real. Please. So I'm waiting. I'm just waiting for, I'm waiting for that takeoff point. It's basically Switch 2 announcement. I mean, it might. I don't know. You got to hold back anymore. There's no hold back anymore. The thing is, Prime 4 might be like a tears of the kingdom kind of like mode for me, right? Sure. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. So yeah, Prime 4 might be kind of like, and the thing is if we're right in Prime 4's gen, right, like when, what is the next direct comes next month? We assume Prime 4 is there. Even if Switch 2 is announced for a couple more months, it'll just be like. Yeah. We are like this. Switch 2 is announced. And then you're even like this more. And then before it was announced, every single direct, and we go back to the Switch, every direct after Switch was announced, literally bangers for like three straight years. But that doesn't happen. I'm going to wake up. It's going to be 2027. I'm going to be like, holy shit. What happened? Exactly. What happened? Exactly. I'm going to be like, oh, I got nothing to play. That's the exciting part. It's like once Switch 2 is announced, they're done holding back. Every direct is going to have some massive fucking game in it. And it's going to be amazing. And then we're going to start talking about Switch 3. I think Switch 2 Pro talk will probably start first. Yeah. Switch 2 Pro starts two years after. Yeah. I think we see though, two years after is probably going to be the light. And then it will be two years after that where it's the bait, if it's another OLED or if it's a Pro. But people think we should have had a Pro because, well, I had sources on it too. The Pro was a thing. They actually had DevKit sent out. So it really was something Nintendo wanted to do. Bloomberg's report was all right minus the more powerful chip, if you think about it. Yeah. They had all the... They had all the... So it's a style kickstand, seven inch OLED display. Everything was bought on. And then they said 11 different developers had a more powerful Switch DevKit named Zanga. And then just mysteriously, the final chip product doesn't have more power. A lot of people, again, feel like it was just timing with the pandemic. Yeah. Massive chip shortage. I mean, it makes sense. Yeah. 100% agree. I always thought the same thing was because of the pandemic. I've said we're already laying the carpet that we can't rule out a Switch 2 Pro in four years, baby. Just saying. Can't rule it out. I mean, I think... Well, we'll see what happens. When I find it's going to be funny. We're going to have this banger first three years. And then that third year is when all the rumors are going to start for it. And people are going to be like, oh God, there we go. Yeah. And it's like, well, you want me to do it. It might actually happen this time. It's going to be funny when we have Switch Pro rumors in like 2025. Oh my God. Do you know what's going to happen? Yeah. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. So I'm going to find some documents somewhere on some server and it's just going to start the whole story. It's probably not going to be. It's coming out, but it's going to be like, oh, they're making plans for it. Yeah. Right. And then so some people are going to be like, oh, well, you know, Switch 2 is just not as strong as PC is 5. So they're going to want to get like a, you know, maybe there'll be rumors for like a Switch 2, like at home only. Like Fox. Right. That's almost more conceivable than a pro by your two. You know? Anyways, where can they find you, buddy? Andres, restart. There you go. Bro of the sun. That's right. What's up, buddy? Sunburnation on everything. Only social media I'm active on other than YouTube is Twitter and even that's a little bit limited. But if you tweet at me, I will try to reply. And six videos a week, all Nintendo focused news, rumors and speculation, very much like the, you know, the colleagues here on the podcast. So you're into that kind of content. I got plenty of that to offer. And that's about what I got going on. So thanks for having me guys. It's been a great, great conversation. I think we, I think we had a great show tonight. I think it was. It was a very great show. We've had great shows every week in 2024. Let's keep it going. Next week we have a really big show. Now back to a panel eight. We had eight people last week, six people this week, eight people next week. Nice. And we were having, we're having some people, like Botox games is coming on. Tucker's coming on. Uh, Andres knows those people. So there's a lot of comfort. I was going to call in sick, but I guess now I have to show up. Now you have to show up. Your bros are there. Anyways. Uh, and then I think then 10 talks coming on. Uh, he's always a good time. And I think West Nemo. Can we have, can we have a, can we have a, actually Nate, you know what? I would actually be great if we have the debate again about 2024 versus 2025 for switch two. Cause both still heavy on switch to coming out 2025. We can do that. I have not had that to be on my channel at all. The thing is honestly, honestly, I feel because I did a 1v2. Some people think I lost that debate. I don't think I lost that debate. Right. I think when you have, they're already reaching out to me ahead of time to ask me if there's a specific topic they should prep for. And I'll be like, look, you already prepped for it once. Well, let's go again. Let's do it again. I think at this time it'll be an equal footing because I think literally just because you have two people talking versus one, it definitely kind of. And we have eight people and I have no idea where everyone's going to be. Well, I mean, I can just sit back. Like if Jake's doing a good job, I'll just sit back. I don't say shit. We'll see. We'll see. I'm the host. I just make sure it goes smooth. And when they drop their documents and make people think, cause I haven't seen any of that. I didn't watch the show. So I'm, I'm very. You call, you say you're my friend. How dare you not watch literally everything I make. Well, how dare. Look, when you're streaming the same time I am, what do you want me to do? I can't tell you, you know what? You can only stream Friday, Saturday and Sunday. That's it. This is the only time you're allowed to stream. Just because that you can't stream on Monday, Tuesdays or Thursdays anymore. Yeah. Anyway, guys, I'm a Nintendo Prime. You know what's up? Instead of advertising the podcast, I'd rather just advertise our Zelda show that we have tomorrow. Please tune in. Same time with this podcast, but tomorrow if you're a member and you want to get on the show, there'll be instructions on how to get on the show tomorrow. So talk some Zelda. And the big thing is even if you aren't a member, still join for the really worthwhile discussions. We'll still be doing our shots for super chats, or at least I'll be doing them. So that doesn't change. So it could get wild. It could get crazy. And the fans get to talk directly to us, which is not something that happens very often outside of text. So thank you guys for being here. It's been an awesome episode 55 of season two of the Nintendo Prime podcast. We will catch you guys next week.