 Good evening to you. T Merc bricks for keeping it Y254 Trusting that you've had fantastic illa day. 15 September 2020 A very fine Tuesday hoping that your well. My name is Ramakuko. Thank you very much for keeping it Y254 We broadcasting live here from Kenya Broadcasting Corporation this is the stand now, article 55 of the 2010 constitution hulz that the state shall be able to access social, economic, access employment and are protected from exploitation. This is under article 55 of the 2010 constitution. This evening we talk about the space of the youth in Kenyan politics and in leadership. What exactly is the space of the Kenyan youth? This evening she is an aspirant from Musambueni constituency and also the founder of Hope Avenue. She shall be joining me this evening tonight to give us her take in regards to the space of the youth in Kenyan politics. So Moshi Miwa, Karibusana, you can take the stand. Thank you very much for joining me tonight. Now, I'm giving you two minutes to address the nation. Give them your stand. What is the space of the Kenyan youth in politics? Asante sana Ram Aguko kwanafasi hi kuzungumza na kuzungumza haswa kwaniyaba ya vidyanaote Kenyahi. Jinalangu Naito Charlotte Mariam nimgombea wakiti cha ubunge eni ubunge lam Sambueni. Kwanza kabisa mayutitumiku wa tukichukuli wa hivi hivi. Mayutikila siku tunambi wa sisi indi yoviongozi wa kesho lakini na fasi hatupatiwi. Mayutisisi tumeku wa tukitumika kilasiku wakatiwa uchaguzi tunatumika kueneza chuki, kueneza fudyo, kueneza propaganda zizizo stahili. Kwaio roundi hi tumesema kama Mayuthi inchinietu na tunataka kuipigania. Mimi kama mgombea wakiti cha ubunge eni ubunge lam Sambueni. Ningiyomba kuzungumza na Moshi Miwa raise. Moshi Miwa raise. Katika jangahili lakorona na yua limiadiri inchinzima, lakini kumbuka. Vijana hasuam Sambueni constituency Moshi Miwa raise. Wa mipoteza kazi asilimia sitini na tanona zahidi. Moshi Miwa raise. Kuna mbino ambazo tuneza kushikiliya Moshi Miwa raise. Kupatiya vijana hope palim Sambueni kuwanikweli unatutamini na kuwanikweli unatupenda. Kuwanfano. Shule zineda kufunguliwa iwi karibuni kama wili Moshi Miwa magoha alivotamka. Moshi Miwa raise. Tuanzisha do to do campaign. Vijana hawana kazi. Chukua vijana. Wanzisha do to do campaign. Ya kuimiza vijana weitu kuimiza watutu weitu warudi shuleni na piya wa zaziweitu. Waimiza watutu warudi shuleni Moshi Miwa raise. Vilevili ntechikuna fasikwa sababu nisi polizongumzii aili soala. Haita kuwa mimi ni mefanya haki. Haswa kuwali maiutu alani tumakutokam Sambueni. Tunadiwakuna BBI. And we know rege is on a break. Moshi Miwa raise nandugirako raila amola odinga. Tafadali tu husisha sisi vijana katika ila BBI. Angaziya masula ya unemployment. Angaziya masula ya education. Na Moshi Miwa raise sisi utadiwakama youth. Utakapo tushikam kono na utupatiya empowerment ila ina ustaili. Tutakushikiliam kono because your legacy Moshi Miwa raise. Will be judged on how you will handle this COVID-19 pandemic. Na vile utakapo revive hi ekonomi yetu Moshi Miwa raise. Azandesana. Kidogo rab aguko. Uko yaw 30 seconds. Nami mi na mbaivi. Hatutaki siya sayafudyo. Moshi Miwa raise. Wewakama raise siwa tutu na kupenda. Tututaka apropa handshake between you. Raila amola odinga. And His Excellency the Deputy President William Samoei Ruto. Azandesana. Kwa sababo your legacy depends on this. Utaia chahi inchi katika hali afudyo. Na sisi kama youth we will never forgive you. Thank you very much Charlotte. Karibu unge kiki. Remember this is the stand. Now joining me also next is Dr. Samuel Oliech Omolo. He is also an aspirant but from all the way in muhoroni consistency. He is one man who is also giving us the stand. Dr. Karibu sana. Now I would like to give you two minutes. Give us your stand. What is the space of the Kenyan youth in leadership? Your time starts right now. Thank you very much Aguko, my fellow Kenyans, ladies and gentlemen. To our beautiful country Kenya, the Republic that we've loved so much, the country that we've worked for, we are not the same as we were 100 years ago. Kenya has made so many strides and in the 21st century we are facing challenges. COVID-19 being one of them. As a young person coming from muhoroni constituency, we must carry the hope of this Republic and of the globe and so many young people, millions and millions of young people looking at us right now. As I look at this camera, I want to preach hope to young people. Kenya has gone through the dogs in the year 2007. This is not the first time we face challenges as a Republic but we can bounce back. It's in our DNA we are adding Mr. President the tranquility that we are enjoying from my hometown in muhoroni to Mombasa to all the way to Loi Toktok in our borders. Let's enjoy because of the handshake. Handshake is good for the Republic. I can drive comfortably across our countries and peace and tranquility translates to business and security in our areas. To our young people, there is hope beyond just money. We need economic empowerment. We need to be educated. We need to be stable in terms of what we are doing, and we have to join politics to sustain and take our rightful position in this Republic. Alright. Thank you very much, Dr. Samuil. And what is exactly your stand? The hashtag is the stand ke at Y254 channel on Twitter at Ram Aguko. The stand starts right now. And this is where we say it as it is. Thank you very much for keeping it Y254. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much. You have given the Kenyans your stand and you have already highlighted a lot of issues that are very important and we will be able to dwell on them to Diagozi Ayote. Now, let's start with the leadership first of all. How can we be able to ensure that the youths are absorbed into leadership especially looking at the political arena as it is right now? How can all youths be absorbed in leadership? Let me start the challenge. First of all Ram, when we are talking about the two-thirds agenda, let us please take notice of the fact that the youths are also being marginalised. So is it possible for the youths to be included in that conversation? How are they being marginalised? They are being marginalised because if we look at the two-thirds general that is now I think it's the new wave now so to speak Ram. The youths are not being involved in the boardroom discussions. We are just taken as though we cannot really bring the change that the country needs and it is time to know and to take note of the fact that the youth have fresh ideas and youth can bring change in this country. We demand to be included in that conversation of change. When we are talking about BBI, it is very, I have not heard myself either the president or Rayla Amolodinga talking about the youth. And when I heard Gladys Sholei and the likes talking on the cities and the other day, we were not being discussed more in the topics there. So I think it is time that when we are talking about women being included in decision making topics, we also need to fight for the space for the youth to be included in important conversations. Not just to be used when we need chaos in the country, when we need to mobilise youths and we need drunkards and water view and there you will see so many youths and let me tell you something Ram. They have a day, an opponent of mine back when he said Sholei is going nowhere because she is always with youths and you know youths are not voters and then it occurred to me that could be this is the main reason why when we get to parliament, why when we elect our governors, our senators, they don't remember the youths including the president himself. We have very beautiful policies Ram but the youths are not being taken seriously in this country. Do you agree with her? Are the youths marginalised? Are they being taken seriously? Thank you very much for that wonderful question. I can't agree more with what my colleague is saying. That's the truth but we have to underscore the fact that as young people, the republic and of the world, we have to talk at capacity of the world because this is a global community. We are highly interconnected with the world. We are not like the way we used to be 100 years from now. We are much more developed. We have more information than what our grandparents used to have. So what do we do with this kind of information? Young people form 25% of this population and that's quite a big margin and this is a factory that can be tapped into to grow this economy if we are to talk about double digit growth in any economy in the world. So for young people, they've been marginalised for quite some time but that's not the issue. The issue is how can we talk and be part of the discussion and be on the table. Young people have fears, what we call fear of the unknown. We have to come out of our shell, talk and build our networks. Don't join networks that you don't belong as young people and be clapping for the establishment that's there. If these networks exist and I'm getting you clearly that the networks exist but you're saying that the youths are not being involved then how then can we ignore the fact that the platforms are there yet the youths also need to acknowledge the fact that they can be able to grab the opportunities. I had one famous leader say that leadership is not given. It is taken. What do you think about that? Let me tell you Ram. My, should I call him a colleague or what? He said that the youth form 25% of the population of this country today. I beg to differ with him. I think it's actually 70%. Are we together? The platforms are there, the policies are there but are we following these policies? Are we living up to them? Are we serious with the fact that we are like we take the youth seriously the way they are supposed to be taken from? That is not true. Are we doing what is necessary for them to be taken seriously? Let me finish. Yes we are. And especially the youth who are coming up for example myself to claim and to stamp foot into these political seats. We are not getting the platforms that are needed. We do not have enough support that we need from these people. From the political parties and what have you. We are only being used there as an envelope to cover up for a lot of things. And when we get to a parliament or when we get to these positions that we are seeking for that is the time now these other political leaders they take advantage of us because we have to go to them to look for funds for example so now we have to speak to their tunes and I will give a very viable example of Senator Malala. Senator Malala now is at log ahead with these political party leader Mudavadi. Why? Because he is of different opinion and Mudavadi feels like he is the one who should be listened to because he is the one who gave the funds and everything to Senator Malala. Senator Malala had gone to an event one event the same event that the party attended and he said that he is going to his father to apologize. To apologize for what? I am asking you to apologize for what? I am sorry. Because of the issues that happened he said that in his own words he said Wachanikwambi Wachanikwambi and Mudavadi said that as a father he will forgive you. Subirini kwa mbiyendu biyango Sasahivi kwa mfano wewe kama Ram Aguiko wewe ni political party leader wangu kwa mfano Mi mi kama youth na hisiku wa ni kona sauti na ni kona nguvu yaku leta mabadili kwa na ni kona agenda nzurinzuri kwa agili yaku leta mabadili kwa aswa kwa sababu yama youth wenzango lakini wewe uta ni ambiya mi mi ni kona kitu nbachu wewe hau na mbiyoni hella na unipatia iyo hella kwa sababu ita nipatia nguvu yaku pigenia kituflani alafu sasa mi mi ni kijutokeza kupigenia haki yama youth sasa wewe utaku yu nambiya mi mi ni konda usemeivin and that is the case with Senetama Laila I agree with what she is saying I agree with her 100% what she is saying but what I have to add my voice on to is that we strongly say that policies are there to be followed in a republic but everyone pulls towards their side so as young people I was building on one conversation that we have to build our own networks if you look at Kenya at independent with Musa Jomo Kenyatta and vice president Jaramogi Ogingo Dinga they utilized young people the likes of Moiki Baki, Tom Boyer, named them and they implemented the blueprint of the republic and that is what we are using today so if we look back and turn back the hands of time and look back where we started now we have an opportunity in the handshake and I will tell you strongly that with the handshake there is peace and tranquility you can move across the country it's time for the president and the Honorable Prime Minister and our leaders to replicate or turn back the hands of time and take us back where the leadership was there but the young people are utilized you can't achieve this my brother Fred without fundamentals and basic things one, you cannot implement youth agenda without proper education because I meet you on the street what's your skill I want a job from you what's your skill, what are you trained on you cannot empower young people the economy is intact but there is hope we have to preach hope to our young people you cannot talk about empowering the youth without talking about politics and religion and you cannot talk about young people without talking about their psychological status and the only way we can do that and turn around things in this republic is what we are going to do in Muroni and to the world we need what we call system approach to social engineering even if you give young people create departments and ministers for them and give them billions they will not utilize them well because they are not prepared here so you have to do social engineering and prepare young people for leadership you have to take up your space but you must have a skill not necessarily school skill we have a competency based education and it's coming on board rolling out world we have to tap into this so for young people we must only preach hope but to the government last week just finalizing to the government let us not entertain mascarids in the name of youths we must have real youths as defined in the constitution driving the youth agenda excuse me Rame I think here talked about giving hope to the youth and speaking the message of hope it is one thing to bring to tell the youth that you know there is hope and this and that and that but again are we implementing our policies Rame let us look at senator orango and if you even raila molo dinga en hurumu yai kenyata they were once youths and they were speaking the same message for senator orango and the likes they have been advocates of hope and revolution for this country for the longest time but how come when they are now in those positions they are not speaking the message of empowering the youths as needed be Mr. Rame it is time last week I had let me ask my director to bring this clip up I had an interview with Dr. Ekuro Kout who is a part leader of third way third way alliance and we will be pulling up that clip and what he said in regards to this so pick it up from where you left so you feel that we do not have the policies or are the policies there what are the outcomes of this youth Kenyans are good Kenyans and our leaders are good at implementing and bringing forth ideas and putting forth policies sorry but we are not good at implementing these policies and the ideas Mr. Rame let's go to that clip and then we will see if your opinion changes take a look at this because you talked about the power belonging to the people do you think the Kenyan youth understands this fact well to be honest they hope to understand because I think the unfortunate thing about the Kenyan youth is that they have constantly been manipulated by the usual old political class and I think until when the youth of Kenya actually realize that they are actually Kenya today and Kenya tomorrow and I like giving a very tired example that when I was myself in I may be in nursery, primary, secondary up to university level I kept on hearing this tired narrative that you are tomorrow's leaders and I've asked myself when honestly is this tomorrow going to come so my advice to the youth of Kenya is because your real life struggles are felt now not even today right now as we speak Ram with you there are people who are going to bed hungry there are people who are so jobless they don't even know what to do tomorrow there are people who are struggling with school loans there are people who are just struggling with healthcare education, they are out of school so our problems are felt now even today as we go to bed people will be stressed people are contemplating suicide because the problems are felt today so this nonsense of saying that you are tomorrow's leaders the youth of this country needs to rise up, wake up and take over the mantle of leadership it is happening elsewhere in the world it's only in Kenya where the youth are being assembled in a hurupak told to pick stones that is the Pekurokot saying that the youth needs to stand up what do you think about that no, let me come to her because I was just from, yes thank you very much I agree with Dr. Kot on his talk and what he claims he's part of the leadership because he's right in this republic and we don't just want empty talks to our young people we have to look at our young people in the face and tell them the truth as it is, if it's white it's white the main problem in this republic is not lack of policy we have the best Kenya we have benchmarked with the best we've benchmarked in Singapore and people go on trips we go to the US, we go to all the best nation and remember in 1963 Singapore came here to benchmark with us the only thing is implementation we cannot wait for anyone to come from anywhere to come and implement our policies secondly I agree with what my sister is saying the leaders of yesterday like Piyogama Pinto Young Jim Morango Young Kibaki and others they did their part but the scenario is different today we are not fighting a regime that may be dictatorial we are talking about a global community of internet, of big data of big security of insecurity and terrorism things have changed a world where you have the whole global in your palm with data and you can either make the best out of it or destroy or create something but first forward I can say as young people we must be part and parcel how has it been for you as a young man as a youth vying for political seat talking to political leaders and trying to find a space in leadership I didn't find my space we have our constitution stating clearly the age requirement that you have to meet to vying for any position in Kenya so my policy when I meet you and ask me do you want to vying you are not that I want to I am vying for this position so you take your own position without waiting for anyone to tell you to take up your position and isn't that the problem that youths want to be given these positions do you think that is true before I come to your question nirame we need to have a sober conversation as the youth in this country as I stated earlier the likes of Babajimi Rango Raila they have been youths and they have been speaking the exact language that we are speaking now they have been sending a message of hope they have been cheering and jeering in some instances all in the name of bringing the youth into the front line so you are saying that youths are the same as youths yes youths are the same as youths the same language as youths youths are the same as youths but youths are the same as youths this is the time that our president needs to live a legacy what legacy are we living for those who are coming after us let me mention one fact that we have youths we have young parliamentarians who are sitting as we speak young members of parliament, young senators and they have been caught in the wrong side in most occasions let me give an example of what happened recently I think it's even public knowledge Muria Dikir member of parliament who found himself in police custody on September 6th in his own controversial remarks we have other leaders who have found themselves in similar positions we talk about Starray member of parliament Charles Jaguar who found himself also on July 29th arrested of allegations of incitement Gatundu South member of parliament Moses Kuria we have member of parliament Oscar Suti all of them are youths who already have positions excuse me let me ask you a question it is very wrong for this country to look at young parliamentarians and just put a spotlight at them that when they just do something very little and then when they are caught in the bad side of the law and then it becomes news are you trying to tell me that all these others that are not youths have never been caught in the wrong side of the law how should you look at it let me tell you when we want to look at all the negative things one has done let us not dwell on that let us also dwell on the good things that they have done for their constituents or the various seats that they man come on Ram I will come to you let's first of all take a break and then we will come to you remember the hashtag is the stand KE